**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 19 02:59:59 2015 May 19 04:28:38 morning May 19 04:28:58 morning Herrie :) May 19 04:29:03 morphis: Seems that some builds failed due to "503 backend read error" May 19 04:29:39 Hey PatrickC: What's Up? May 19 04:30:15 not much, how's Herrie doing? May 19 04:31:16 Good, soon 1,5 week holiday (from Thursday, getting some relaxation and seeing some sun ;)) May 19 04:31:32 Just busy tweaking virtual keyboard for the past week or so on and off ;) May 19 04:31:32 nice! May 19 04:31:44 just got back from a week in Tennessee and about to go to Philidelphia. May 19 04:31:50 * PatrickC still misses webOS every day May 19 04:32:20 * Herrie doesn't because he doesn't use anything else :P May 19 04:32:40 But it's frustrating seeing more and more bits break but not unexpected after 4 years May 19 04:32:52 Lots of stuff still gets communities patches to fix though ;) May 19 04:34:51 wow, that's awesome! May 19 04:34:59 running a blog i kinda need new and relevant stuff :/ May 19 04:35:10 still have a few touchpads and phones around though :) though they've not been turned on in ages May 19 04:38:48 You can put LuneOS on your tp May 19 04:39:12 As 2nd or 3rd OS and play with it ;) May 19 04:39:53 yeah, i need to find my TP's May 19 04:40:03 but, i'm gonna head to bed May 19 04:40:06 night Herrie :) May 19 04:40:24 Herrie, send me the link to the error so maybe I can fix? May 19 04:40:35 Night PatrickC May 19 04:40:42 whoa, ka6sox.. long time no see May 19 04:40:51 well, it's been a while since i've been in here May 19 04:41:06 seeing lots of old names i've not seen in ages hah May 19 04:41:18 * PatrickC misses the days of #webos and #wirc May 19 04:41:30 that's where i first got into hacking and such.. now, i co-own a large Android ROM May 19 04:41:32 ka6sox: I think it might have been a temporary glitch somewhere? http://jenkins.nas-admin.org/job/luneos-testing_mako/lastBuild/console May 19 04:41:55 PatrickC, a lot of water under the bridge since then May 19 04:42:04 yep. May 19 04:42:44 much has happened since i last was heavily involved in the webOS world May 19 04:42:50 hope to someday get back to it May 19 05:05:31 PatrickC: Night let us know when you find your TP and we'll help you getting it setup :) May 19 05:19:50 Herrie, this is a github issue May 19 05:35:13 OK can you retrigger builds or should wait for morphis? May 19 06:38:28 morning! May 19 06:39:56 Tofe: morning May 19 06:40:54 Herrie: looks like ka6sox did launch a build yesterday evening May 19 06:41:18 It was morphis I think May 19 06:41:19 we need to kick another one off if we can May 19 06:41:29 For luneos-testing May 19 06:41:45 TOfe: VKB doesn't look as bad as I expected on N4 tbh ;) NEeds a bit of TLC but not bad May 19 06:42:20 I didn't test anything on device till this morning May 19 06:43:34 ok :) well it's true that it's mainly a tweaking of font and the annotation dots May 19 06:43:54 Yup May 19 06:44:01 And a bit in landscape as well May 19 06:44:16 I recall legacy had some logics for it, saw it somewhere (for font) will try to replicate that May 19 06:47:19 Hopefully have a bit of time for tweaking today ;) May 19 06:48:06 What i'll try to do at some point in time is to rationalize the use of variables: more use parameters, and less implicit variable use (ideally only local variables) May 19 06:49:10 You mean reducing the usage of key_constants.js ? May 19 06:49:21 no no, I like this one May 19 06:49:41 but things like implicit "panel" variable, or "formFactor" May 19 06:49:59 they don't exist locally, only when the keypad is instantiated May 19 06:50:24 which makes it a bit less predictable May 19 06:50:56 but it's just code cleaning, nothing functional May 19 06:56:12 oh, just saw they begin selling the new Ubuntu phone (Meizu MX4) May 19 06:56:36 ... and just learned that is had a locked bootloader. I'll pass! May 19 07:16:36 Tofe: Already thought you'd look into that after you said you didn't like it last time :P May 19 07:21:11 I repeat myself, I must be getting very old :) May 19 08:27:28 Nah you just mentioned you were surprised it worked so I figured you'd change it at some point in time :P May 19 11:59:12 Tofe: Ping May 19 12:02:53 Herrie|Veer: pong May 19 12:03:51 Any comments on Nizovn's FirstUse PR? May 19 12:04:10 Looks straightforward to me just have no chance to test on device right now May 19 12:06:41 Herrie|Veer: same here, couldn't test yet May 19 12:06:47 but looks good May 19 12:11:50 OK I guess I'll try it tonight then both on TP and N4 and merge afterwards May 19 12:34:44 ok May 19 13:12:03 Tofe: Any way to slightly adjust the test program so it can fit my laptop without breaking the representation as on a device? My height is only 768 on laptop :P So bottom row always gets hidden under task bar :P May 19 13:13:52 I can of course make my taskbar vertical but well :P May 19 13:17:52 mmh May 19 13:18:20 well, the height of the vkb is proportional to the height of the screen May 19 13:18:55 Yeah :s May 19 13:19:13 I guess my vertical task bar might be a quick solution then for now :P May 19 13:19:43 theoretically, we should be able to adapt to any reasonable height May 19 13:19:59 Yeah May 19 13:20:24 so if you set 750 instead of 800 for the height, it shouldn't be a problem May 19 13:21:01 otherwise we'll always tweak on every new device May 19 13:21:09 Well the vkb height is a formula based on screen height so it will get smaller too May 19 13:21:22 yes May 19 13:22:46 The vkb height should stay the same just the large rectangle above should be able to resize May 19 13:23:01 I'll push a bit of code that I'm stuck with :P May 19 13:23:08 Maybe you have a quick fix May 19 13:25:14 Maybe May 19 13:28:05 Sent you email May 19 13:28:48 Basically I reworked the magnifier with BorderImages similar to extended keys (wasn't happy with my height and width options for phone layout) May 19 13:29:43 Just when magnifier is being hidden, I see glitches probably due to the NumberAnimations of the different parts. May 19 13:30:45 Yes, using multiple NumberAnimation does that May 19 13:31:33 I would advise a different approach May 19 13:31:47 I'm happy for an alternative in general, this looks quite messy anyway :P May 19 13:32:20 It would make more sense to do it on the Row? May 19 13:33:02 well, why are you using scale for? May 19 13:33:20 to "pop" the whole magnifier? May 19 13:33:35 I just copied this from the old one :P May 19 13:34:10 ok May 19 13:34:15 it would be better to do it on root May 19 13:35:01 also the onShownChanged should be transformed in two two states May 19 13:35:28 that way the QML engine can optimize it May 19 13:36:14 but first, let's just apply one NumberAnimation on root's opacity and scale; doing two states will come later May 19 13:36:43 you can remove all the animationStep related lines May 19 13:36:49 in the BorderImages May 19 13:37:48 also you will want the scaling to be applied on the bottom-center of the item May 19 13:38:28 transformOrigin: Item.Bottom will do that for you May 19 13:39:50 I'm no good with this stuff, have 0 experience with it :p May 19 13:40:50 :) no pb, I can help May 19 13:42:28 If you could rework it a bit that would be great :) May 19 13:42:40 I'm lost with these effects in Qt :P May 19 13:43:01 no pb May 19 13:45:43 You want me to PR the pending changes I have and you can merge & improve from there? Few other minor improvements pending too :) May 19 13:46:04 yes, let's do like that May 19 13:46:30 It works in general just not pretty :P May 19 13:48:05 OK #43 May 19 13:50:19 For the phone/tablet layouts: Legacy doesn't change height ratio on landscape/portrait for tablets only for phones May 19 13:50:24 So changed that bit now May 19 13:51:16 So for tablet it now uses the same ratio no matter portrait or landscape, for phone it has 2 different values May 19 14:49:59 Herrie|Veer: ok, I've fixed your PR, and I have a proposal for you "height" issue May 19 14:51:22 OK :) May 19 14:51:45 P.s. for the character layout it seems we have a binding issue that might cause the hight to jump? May 19 14:52:42 Binding loop detected for property "source" May 19 14:55:55 Herrie|Veer: https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-keyboard/pull/44 May 19 14:56:31 I've modified the way the kaybord window sees the height available for its computation May 19 14:57:52 now we put the keyboard inside an Item that may be bigger than the OS window itself; that way the keyboard computes exactly the same size as on a device, and we keep a window of a reasonable size May 19 15:06:42 Tofe: Looking good! May 19 15:07:44 This will make tweaking so much easier :D May 19 15:07:51 That's the goal :) May 19 15:07:55 merged it :) May 19 15:07:59 tkx May 19 15:11:58 Tofe: btw. you have any idea how we can fix the keyboard on the n7? May 19 15:14:37 not yet, unfortunately -- I'll give it a second thought tonight May 19 15:20:45 ok May 19 15:20:53 I can try something but don't really have a clue yet May 19 15:31:23 Tofe: Could the N7 problem be due to the keys running over screen edge (not sure that's the case with current code too?) May 19 15:34:49 Herrie|Veer: I think it's due to an incorrect management of transparency in the vkb window background May 19 15:35:25 but I don't know what may fix that. .. May 19 15:36:33 morphis did send some traces but there was no warning or error related to that iirc May 19 15:39:49 morphis: Any idea how to solve this problem with Enyo apps crashing and then not being able to start other ones? May 19 15:40:01 You did a fix that helped somewhat but it's still there May 19 15:43:43 Herrie|Veer: not sure, would have to debug that May 19 15:44:33 I can send you the ipk of the offending app if that helps. Ie if that one is run afterwards I cannot run anything anymore May 19 15:44:53 would be good if you can attach it to the issue May 19 15:45:43 Well it came from app cat and cannot really attach it without copyright issues I guess? May 19 15:50:59 ah May 19 15:56:32 I can email it from home though. I'll flash latest nightly and will test it once more May 19 15:56:47 If that's the culprit I'll send it across via email May 19 15:56:53 It happens with other apps too May 19 15:57:31 I have about 500 TP only Enyo apps which I'd eventually like to test one LuneOS to see how they behave. But it it keeps breaking it's very tedious :P May 19 16:04:34 I've assigned it to you now since I expect it's something in the (web)appmgr and not lnc but could be wrong of course May 19 17:44:49 Herrie|2: there is a bug in my switch between the various emulated environments May 19 17:45:28 the units computation won't be correct May 19 17:47:00 Tofe: Ah May 19 17:47:46 I'm looking at it May 19 17:48:47 Tofe: http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/593 May 19 17:48:56 Could this be as easy as mapping all keys in LNC? May 19 17:48:56 in the meantime, you can always change the "currentTestEnv" in SettingsStub.js before starting qmlscene May 19 17:49:37 Seems VKB is broken in Emulator for me May 19 17:49:48 so, no input at all? May 19 17:50:20 No ;) May 19 17:50:25 Could be 5.4.1 regression May 19 17:50:28 Let me try older image May 19 17:50:33 that's not good :( May 19 17:50:48 Herrie: you should enable keyboard by focusing on just type bar May 19 17:51:15 ah vkb May 19 17:51:43 Yeah seems to show and hide in latest nightly May 19 17:51:54 Could be 5.4.1. upgrade May 19 17:51:57 Trying 05-May build now May 19 17:52:36 05-May is OK May 19 17:52:40 Let me restart latest nightly May 19 17:52:43 Herrie: but you can use usual keyboard for input :) May 19 17:52:46 Nizovn: Strange but it works for keyboard May 19 17:52:53 After running Just Type :S May 19 17:52:56 Really odd May 19 17:53:53 i think all key event redirected to it, and then lost if it's not loaded May 19 17:54:05 nizovn: Yeah strange May 19 17:54:12 VKB is definately broken in latest nightly emulator May 19 17:54:21 Must be 5.4.1 regression quite likely May 19 17:54:51 Or Tofe you think it could be https://github.com/webOS-ports/qtwayland/commit/cf0b141becd6448cfe80c330cc99a77e4e6b8dbf ? May 19 17:55:40 nizovn you have any clue for a fix or should leave this to morphis/Tofe? May 19 17:55:56 Herrie: no, that is just for the mouse events May 19 17:56:37 Let me try 15th build May 19 17:56:41 See what that one does May 19 17:56:46 Herrie: no, just heard about this issue with vkb May 19 17:58:15 Herrie: https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-keyboard/pull/45 <-- I just merged it, it fixed the issue I talked about May 19 17:58:27 now you'll see the issues that happen on device :) May 19 17:59:01 (mainly "123", "Enter" and "..." are incorrectly sized/placed) May 19 17:59:17 Tofe: OK :) May 19 17:59:23 Yeah need to figure out how legacy did that May 19 17:59:32 Seems spacing between keys gets reduced on XS size May 19 17:59:39 Seems similar for S, M, L May 19 17:59:48 Need to measure pixel by pixel though to be sure :P May 19 18:00:23 Herrie: for "..." I reckon it's just a Units.gu misuse May 19 18:01:17 Tofe: Yeah will look into all that :) May 19 18:01:24 https://bpaste.net/show/bc6fcd036545 that's the log for emu May 19 18:03:57 Broken in 15th build as wlel May 19 18:04:02 So probably 5.4.1 regression May 19 18:04:22 Will try 6th of May but expect it's OK there May 19 18:10:00 OK on 6th May 19 18:16:30 Herrie: issue can be solved by cd /usr/lib && ln -s libGLESv2.so.2.0.0 libGLESv2.so May 19 18:18:28 nizovn: the vkb issue? May 19 18:18:33 yes May 19 18:18:39 on the emulator? May 19 18:18:49 so who does link against libGLESv2.so? May 19 18:19:06 yes, maliit and appmanager May 19 18:21:38 they should not May 19 18:22:37 i'm wrong May 19 18:24:36 There’s an article on Medium which I think captures what we’re trying to do. We’ll need to keep these things in mind when we’re pushing to go from beta to release (and I know we’re still in alpha). It’s about a 12min read: https://medium.com/@stewart/we-dont-sell-saddles-here-4c59524d650d May 19 18:34:44 In particular, we shouldn’t be trying to promote the OS as such; we should promote a digital life where the user is in control; where the user decides what services to use. May 19 18:37:31 morphis: Sent you email! May 19 18:37:55 Nizovn fixed a bug and also some layout fixes which made the font on TP better now :) May 19 18:38:30 See email for photo from TP (screenshots still black on TP I guess, anyway difficult to test in FirstUse) May 19 18:39:06 Yup screenshots on TP still black May 19 19:05:25 morphis: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded/68953 May 19 19:08:17 nizovn: thanks! May 19 19:08:25 will look into that tomorrow and see if I can fix that May 19 19:09:02 morphis: That app doesn't break it anymore for me now on N4 May 19 19:09:06 Will test some others ;) May 19 19:13:06 morphis: oops, that message also had answer with possible solution http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded/68953 May 19 19:55:48 Tofe/morphis: You got email with offending IPK for http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/765 May 20 02:14:51 hey all May 20 02:38:13 * DougReeder waves to Darakian May 20 02:47:20 hey May 20 02:47:33 * Darakian waves back at DougReeder May 20 02:48:17 Beta testing this months release? May 20 02:48:23 can May 20 02:48:29 haven't started yet May 20 02:48:37 but I do have an unused nexus 4 May 20 02:48:55 I actually had a question about webos 2.2.4 May 20 02:49:22 is it possible to import a vcf of contacts? May 20 02:53:07 There’s probably some set of operations to do that. Probaly need to import it into a contacts service that’s then synced. May 20 02:53:15 Try asking on WebOS Nation. May 20 02:54:02 If you can follow directions, you can install LuneOS on your N4: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Install_LuneOS_for_Mako May 20 02:54:13 I've done some searching and the last directions were 'google it' May 20 02:54:23 Heh. May 20 02:54:28 googling it turns up an old palm utility that you cant download any more :/ May 20 02:54:44 install in now May 20 02:54:47 installing* May 20 02:54:57 webos is a better IRC channel for that kind of thing May 20 02:55:22 I'll ask there May 20 02:55:35 what's new in the luneos may release? May 20 02:56:44 https://pivotce.com/2015/05/10/luneos-may-stable-release-cafe-bombon/ May 20 02:56:52 cool thanks May 20 02:57:25 hey, have you guys thought of removing the light bar emulation? Maybe use screen swipes for the functionality (ala sailfish OS) May 20 02:57:27 ? May 20 02:57:58 That might make it into a TwEAK May 20 02:58:26 that'd be nice May 20 02:59:49 that said, I just bought a pre 3 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 20 02:59:59 2015