Jun 08 08:07:32 <Herrie|Veer> Desktop is not always that reliable for some things :p
Jun 08 08:08:07 <Herrie|Veer> I'll finetune German layout today a bit, need to tweak a few things, then over to some of the other languages I guess or maybe do the phone layouts first
Jun 08 08:37:51 <Tofe> Herrie|2: yes, I didn't reflash the TP for almost a month, that'll be a good occasion
Jun 08 08:38:58 <Herrie|Veer> I try to do it weekly :) Got a dedicated TP for devving :)
Jun 08 12:40:47 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: Did another PR :)
Jun 08 12:46:58 <Tofe> Good, merged :)
Jun 08 12:48:25 <Herrie|Veer> Looks like the LunaCE QWERTZ now :) Seems though that they use different "symbol" kb's for different languages as well. I think we're OK with our generic one for now, just might be some chars are available in both extended and symbol but well :P
Jun 08 12:51:58 <Herrie|Veer> If someone is bothered by that they can fix it themselves :P QWERTS symbol kb on LunaCE has a few "empty" keys which is ugly too :P
Jun 08 12:56:53 <Tofe> :)
Jun 08 13:17:15 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: Working on AZERTY phone layout now.
Jun 08 13:18:16 <Herrie|Veer> For bottom row, I saw 2 variants: 1 with just wxcvbn and 1 with wxcvbn'!?
Jun 08 13:18:24 <Herrie|Veer> Which one has your pref?
Jun 08 13:19:23 <Herrie|Veer> We have ,/ .? anyway on the bottom row next to spacebar
Jun 08 13:30:13 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: PR done for FR + DE phone layouts. Feel free to tweak where needed :P
Jun 08 13:34:06 <DougReeder>    /me waves good morning
Jun 08 15:19:13 <Herrie|Veer> Hi DougReeder :)
Jun 08 15:19:49 * DougReeder smiles
Jun 08 17:30:52 <Tofe> Herrie|2: there's a last mistake I spotted in the PR, and when it's fixed all should be fine :)
Jun 08 18:45:43 <Herrie|2> Tofe: ping
Jun 08 18:46:55 <Herrie|2> Tofe: Updated PR
Jun 08 18:47:06 <Tofe> Herrie|2: updated my TP :)
Jun 08 18:47:49 <Tofe> merged
Jun 08 18:50:46 <Herrie|2> :D
Jun 08 18:50:52 <Herrie|2> Were you able to reproduce my problem?
Jun 08 19:54:40 <Herrie> Tofe: I guess next up are DK, SE and NO layouts, then followed by RU and UA
Jun 08 19:54:47 <Herrie> Those first 3 should be easy
Jun 08 19:55:03 <Herrie> After RU I'll give a stab at the thumb kb for nizovn as proof of concept :)
Jun 08 19:55:07 <Herrie> Shouldn't be too hard :D
Jun 08 20:10:45 <morphis> Tofe, Herrie: pretty busy on thek
Jun 08 20:10:52 <morphis> s/thek/the keyboards still?/
Jun 08 20:36:36 <Herrie> morphis: QWERTY, AZERTY and QWERTZ are done for both tablet & phone
Jun 08 20:36:45 <Herrie> Wouldn't mind a new build with QT 5.4.2 and these :P
Jun 08 20:38:02 <Herrie> Well done, I guess good enough for build, quite sure people have improvements still
Jun 08 20:46:21 <Herrie> I'll wrap up the other layouts (SE, DK, NO, RU and UA probably tomorrow or the day after)
Jun 08 21:07:28 <Tofe> After that I think we can move on to other big topics
Jun 08 21:09:57 <Herrie> Tofe: You had a few things todo re generic handling right as per nizovn's comments frm y'day
Jun 08 21:10:05 <Herrie> Also we should look into emoji/emoticons still
Jun 08 21:10:42 <Herrie> But we might need some input from DougReeder there. I guess we need to store the :) etc values and these are then decoded in messaging for example?
Jun 08 21:10:45 <Herrie> Not really sure?
Jun 08 21:11:58 <DougReeder> Sorry, what?
Jun 08 21:13:56 <Herrie> We've been working on VKB as you might have seen ;) Soon we need to think about emoji/emoticons as well
Jun 08 21:14:05 <DougReeder> If there’s a symbol in common use with a Unicode code point, that’s handled by font support.
Jun 08 21:14:06 <Herrie> Just wondering how display of these would go in Messaging ;)
Jun 08 21:15:48 <DougReeder> For sequences like colon dash right parenthesis, you probably want a utility to translate them to Unicode code points.
Jun 08 21:18:21 <DougReeder> Is there a way to check if a glyph exists for a Unicode code point?
Jun 08 21:18:39 <Tofe> I've got no idea :)
Jun 08 21:18:50 <Tofe> I guess so
Jun 08 21:19:39 <Tofe> So our priorities would be Unicode > Emoticon > bare text ?
Jun 08 21:20:26 <Tofe> Or do we skip the Emoticon completely
Jun 08 21:20:31 <DougReeder> Transport shouldn’t need to card about either.
Jun 08 21:20:42 <DougReeder> s/card/care/
Jun 08 21:21:38 <Tofe> Well, if you say o_O , there may be an emoticon to show, but if you send an Unicode, it's just a character, and on the other side it has to understand it (the other side could be us)
Jun 08 21:22:17 <Tofe> For transport layer, I agree, it's unicode text anyway
Jun 08 21:23:14 <Herrie> Not 100% sure need to read up a bit I guess
Jun 08 21:23:15 <DougReeder> We could add some kind of picker to the input GUI, which could output either sequences or Unicode depending on which glyph.
Jun 08 21:25:02 <Herrie> DougReeder: We have this from legacy, might be of some help: https://bpaste.net/show/2a12f6a40110
Jun 08 21:25:11 <DougReeder> I’m personally inclined to give such work a low priority. Could be several small tasks for newcomers.
Jun 08 21:26:26 <Tofe> You've got a point
Jun 08 21:26:34 <DougReeder> Given that Unicode code points have been assigned for everything down to “pile of poo”, I think we can dispense with custom PNGs.
Jun 08 21:26:51 <DougReeder> …and focus on font support.
Jun 08 21:27:54 <Herrie> I can ask Benjamin to see if he has ideas
Jun 08 21:28:03 <Herrie> Maybe we can put the legacy PNG's in a font somehow?
Jun 08 21:28:20 <DougReeder> If we have graphics, we can make a font of them.
Jun 08 21:28:43 <DougReeder> … but I’m not familiar with the tools for that.
Jun 08 21:29:15 <DougReeder> My impression is that free fonts exist for most anything we’d need.
Jun 08 21:29:33 <Herrie> Me neither, but guess Benjamin might be :D
Jun 08 21:30:11 <Herrie> Otherwise he'll probably figure something out ;)
Jun 08 21:32:35 <DougReeder> I believe there are many more than listed in http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1F600.pdf
Jun 08 21:34:07 <Tofe> Herrie: if we're going to use a font, I think we just have to choose one that looks good and that has the appropriate license, and that'll be fine
Jun 08 21:34:49 <DougReeder> (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Jun 08 21:37:37 <Tofe> One technical question would be if we would be able to choose "Prelude" for the usual characters and a special symbol font for the emojis
Jun 08 21:37:44 <DougReeder> Unaccoutably, my Mac has no glyph for U+26F4 	&#9972; 	Ferry boat terminal.
Jun 08 21:38:01 <Tofe> That's quite a shame.
Jun 08 21:38:20 <Herrie> I'll ask Benjamin he might have an idea or 2 ;)
Jun 08 21:38:35 <Herrie> He deals with these kind of things on a regular basis, quite sure :P
Jun 08 21:39:23 <Herrie> Maybe we can extend Prelude somehow with these
Jun 08 21:39:39 <DougReeder> I believe rendering is usually done with a variety of fonts.  I.e. if there’s no glyph in the specified font, the system falls back to another font that does.
Jun 08 21:40:52 <DougReeder> So, I’m pretty sure webkit supports using Prelude for Roman letters, and other fonts for other characters.
Jun 08 21:42:04 <Tofe> That would be great. ☙
Jun 08 21:42:30 <Tofe> (That's a "reversed rotated floral heart bullet" U+2619)
Jun 08 21:43:10 <Tofe> I guess people working for Unicode standardization have finally gone completely insane.
Jun 08 21:43:32 <Tofe> Was just a matter of time anyway.
Jun 08 21:46:57 <DougReeder> Eh, with that large a space, it’s easier to say yes.
Jun 08 21:48:15 <Tofe> :)
Jun 08 21:49:35 <DougReeder> Assign a code point, the activists stop bugging the Unicode committee.  Doesn’t mean any implementor has to actually include it.
Jun 09 01:48:07 <DougReeder> I’d like to send 1F595 to some of the people involved with Unicode.
Jun 09 01:48:41 <DougReeder> and 1F596 to my fellow LuneOS-ers
Jun 09 01:49:53 <DougReeder> Dang, Unicode has become a comedy routine from the 60s about ‘in the future, we’ll communicate with numbers’
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