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Jun 09 05:31:21 <Herrie|2> morning
Jun 09 07:30:21 <Herrie|Veer> morning
Jun 09 07:30:24 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: ping
Jun 09 07:35:44 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: pong
Jun 09 07:36:32 <Herrie|Veer> Seems we forgot to update the release name to cubano, I guess it's good to determine who should do it going fwd :P
Jun 09 07:36:52 <Herrie|Veer> I'm happy to do it in general just it wasn't very clear in the past I guess.
Jun 09 07:37:23 <Tofe> Morning!
Jun 09 07:40:30 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: yeah, feel free to take over that job
Jun 09 07:40:33 <morphis> Tofe: morning
Jun 09 07:42:35 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: OK just to make sure we don't forget because each thinks the other will do :P
Jun 09 07:42:43 <Herrie|Veer> I have it on my to-do list now :)
Jun 09 07:44:20 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: morning!
Jun 09 07:47:45 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: thanks
Jun 09 12:04:05 <JaMa> morphis: ok to cherry-pick this into our fork? https://github.com/mer-hybris/pulseaudio-modules-droid/commit/966ab674a887a08ac128b4325450dee2ae65cf50
Jun 09 13:10:24 <DougReeder> We might also consider a short checklist of tests to run before a release.  The ones in Testr would be a good place to start.
Jun 09 13:12:52 <DougReeder> Speaking of which, has anyone reproduces http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/943 ?
Jun 09 13:22:00 <morphis> JaMa: what about switching back to upstream instead?
Jun 09 13:22:26 <morphis> ah no, I see .. we still need https://github.com/webOS-ports/pulseaudio-modules-droid/commit/ff64418e82dec13e18a13cc7ae2aff4782d431a5 and https://github.com/webOS-ports/pulseaudio-modules-droid/commit/039b16dacb28cbed4bd60781f02e83ee4e565718
Jun 09 13:26:10 <JaMa> rebased to latest upstream in master-next instead?
Jun 09 13:29:17 <morphis> yeah
Jun 09 14:35:38 <Herrie|Veer> Do we have any Swedish, Danish and or Norwegian speakers here in the channel?
Jun 09 14:36:10 <Herrie|Veer> DougReeder: On 943 how to test?
Jun 09 14:36:18 <Herrie|Veer> You tested on TP or N4 or both?
Jun 09 14:36:29 <DougReeder> Both.
Jun 09 14:36:39 <DougReeder> Just run Testr
Jun 09 14:36:56 <Herrie|Veer> OK will do when home
Jun 09 14:37:03 <Herrie|Veer> Shows up in Journalctl?
Jun 09 14:37:30 <DougReeder> Dunno about there.
Jun 09 14:37:44 <DougReeder> I meant the JS log
Jun 09 14:38:17 <Herrie|Veer> Where you get that from?
Jun 09 14:38:22 <DougReeder> run adb forward and use Safari to connect to localhost:1122
Jun 09 14:38:24 <Herrie|Veer> Webinspector? or ?
Jun 09 14:38:30 <Herrie|Veer> Ah
Jun 09 14:40:35 <DougReeder> You can observe it without the log, by observing that PalmBus (prov.) getCurrentPosition doesn’t return.  You do have to check the log to see the error.
Jun 09 14:41:16 <DougReeder> I suppose Testr should check for that, but we really want promises to do that up properly.
Jun 09 14:42:50 <DougReeder> We might use RSVP. Is supports Promises/A+
Jun 09 14:44:13 <DougReeder> https://github.com/jakearchibald/es6-promise might be better - it’s a straight polyfill of ES6 promises.
Jun 09 15:14:36 <HaDAk> Herrie|Veer: i'm learning swedish. does that count?
Jun 09 15:14:50 <HaDAk> i'll be in sweden in like...3 weeks
Jun 09 15:31:06 <Herrie|Veer> HaDAk: That might count for enough :P Looking for someone who could give me guidance on if and which characters should be added to phone vkb :P
Jun 09 15:31:17 <HaDAk> oh, that's easy
Jun 09 15:31:17 <Herrie|Veer> For tablet I'm set already :P
Jun 09 15:31:33 <Herrie|Veer> And where to add them, saw different variations.
Jun 09 15:31:33 <HaDAk> åëä
Jun 09 15:31:38 <Herrie|Veer> Yeah :P
Jun 09 15:31:52 <HaDAk> they go on the right side
Jun 09 15:32:05 <HaDAk> http://ascii-table.com/img/keyboard-153.png
Jun 09 15:32:38 <Herrie|Veer> Yeah but that's tablet, how about phone layout :P
Jun 09 15:34:50 <HaDAk> http://inft.ly/XunhHSd
Jun 09 15:35:00 <HaDAk> also, there's a "Swedish (QWERTY)" option
Jun 09 15:35:25 <Herrie|Veer> :)
Jun 09 15:35:50 <Herrie|Veer> If you have some screenshots and from Danish and Norwegian that would help me a lot :P
Jun 09 15:35:59 <HaDAk> i can make them
Jun 09 15:36:47 <Herrie|Veer> Great saves me looking for an Android device somewhere :P
Jun 09 15:38:43 <HaDAk> http://inft.ly/zC47gQx
Jun 09 15:38:53 <HaDAk> http://inft.ly/ET6aF5B
Jun 09 15:39:02 <HaDAk> helps?
Jun 09 15:39:53 <Herrie|Veer> Yup thnx
Jun 09 15:41:07 <Herrie|Veer> You'll soon have a proper Swedish layout in LuneOS :D
Jun 09 15:41:13 <HaDAk> yay
Jun 09 15:41:44 <Herrie|Veer> Have you seen recent work on the vkb? Looks good if you ask me :p But like opinion of pixel critical HaDAk :P
Jun 09 15:41:57 <HaDAk> ;) i haven't seen it
Jun 09 15:42:15 <HaDAk> all pixels have their place.
Jun 09 15:42:16 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe added a nice way to test on desktop :=
Jun 09 15:42:18 <Herrie|Veer> :P
Jun 09 15:45:01 <HaDAk> well, send me a screenshot or two
Jun 09 16:32:08 <Tofe> I also speak swedish :)
Jun 09 16:45:32 <Herrie> Tofe: You keep surprising me LOL ;)
Jun 09 16:45:39 <Herrie> Any special reason for this?
Jun 09 16:45:51 <Herrie> I can understand it a bit, because it's the same language family as NL ;)
Jun 09 16:50:54 <Herrie> HaDAk: Some N4 screenshots here + TP pics (screenshots don't work there yet): http://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/329797-pivotce-luneos-june-stable-release-cafe-cubano.html
Jun 09 16:57:11 <HaDAk> Tofe: you can help me learn :)
Jun 09 16:57:34 <Herrie> HaDAk: Our phone VKB based on the one in OWO
Jun 09 16:57:41 <Herrie> You either like it or hate it I guess
Jun 09 16:57:59 <HaDAk> i have some nitpicks (it wouldn't be me otherwise...) but it'll have to wait until i'm out of this meeting
Jun 09 16:58:00 <HaDAk> bbiab
Jun 09 16:58:07 <Herrie> HaDAk: http://www.webosnation.com/checking-out-galaxy-nexus-open-webos-port-virtual-keyboard-video
Jun 09 16:58:20 <Herrie> I tried to mimic that as close as possible which wasn't easy with just screenshots :P
Jun 09 16:58:50 <Herrie> Well pictures, not even screenshots, so had to do it based on C++ source code from LunaSysMgr/EFIGS
Jun 09 16:59:03 <Herrie> So this is as close as I could get :P
Jun 09 16:59:58 <DougReeder> For the number keyboard, we should probably add punctuation commonly used in numbers and phone numbers, to the extended keys on the dot key.
Jun 09 17:01:05 <DougReeder> Commas are used as separators for large numbers in several locales.
Jun 09 17:02:02 <Herrie> DougReeder: Which number keyboard you mean?
Jun 09 17:02:12 <Herrie> There's 2 specific layouts for them
Jun 09 17:02:25 <DougReeder> On HTML5 inpute elements of type ‘number’
Jun 09 17:02:48 <DougReeder> How do I tell which of the two?
Jun 09 17:02:50 <Herrie> I didn't touch those yet ;) I've been working on normal + symbols for both phone and tablet ;) English, German QWERTZ and French AZERTY are done now ;)
Jun 09 17:03:20 * DougReeder nods
Jun 09 17:03:38 <DougReeder> No rush, just wanted to be sure it’s in the queue.
Jun 09 17:05:04 <Herrie> WE have a shared Numeric keyboard I think
Jun 09 17:07:10 <Herrie> We have these 2 currently: http://tinypic.com/r/6tfzmx/8 and http://tinypic.com/r/dzxd8p/8
Jun 09 17:07:37 <Herrie> 1 = number, 2 = telephony according to Tofe's test description
Jun 09 17:07:54 <Herrie> "0 ->  text, 1 -> number, 2 -> telephone, 3 -> email, 4 -> url"
Jun 09 17:11:14 <DougReeder> Ah, separate for telephony, good.
Jun 09 17:12:11 <Herrie> Currently not language specific, but generic
Jun 09 17:12:18 <Herrie> Same for symbols for now
Jun 09 17:12:28 * DougReeder nods
Jun 09 17:12:35 <Herrie> Only the primary phone and tablet kb are language specific
Jun 09 17:14:19 <Herrie> Legacy had symbol layout language specific yet
Jun 09 17:14:22 <Herrie> I didn't go there yet
Jun 09 17:14:31 <Herrie> Don't think it's really that necessary
Jun 09 17:14:39 <DougReeder> Yeah, that’s a low priority.
Jun 09 17:18:18 <Herrie> I prefer to have a key 2 times, then 0 times :P
Jun 09 17:22:51 <Tofe> Herrie: I learn by watching eurovision selections in Sweden
Jun 09 17:23:14 <Tofe> No, just joking :) My wife's mothertongue is swedish, simply
Jun 09 17:25:34 <Herrie> Àh :D
Jun 09 17:25:43 <Herrie> Mine is Russian, so can understand that a bit too :P
Jun 09 17:26:00 <Herrie> + studied 2 years of Czech in my free time ;)
Jun 09 17:26:36 <Herrie> So that helped with Russian a lot ;)
Jun 09 17:27:19 <Tofe> Yeah, well at least I didn't have to learn an new alphabet :)
Jun 09 17:28:22 <Herrie> Yeah LOL
Jun 09 17:28:30 <Herrie> Well I can speak + understnad better
Jun 09 17:28:42 <Herrie> My reading is OK but slow, writing non existent :P
Jun 09 17:29:03 <Tofe> HaDAk: I don't think I have the "teacher" level ;) I can have an everyday discussion alright, but that stops here
Jun 09 17:30:01 <Tofe> Herrie: I can (maybe I should say "could" now...) read phonetically cyrillic, a couple of years ago... I quickly forgot everything, out of practice
Jun 09 17:31:31 <Tofe> I could do the finnish keyboard, it's easy: just put a,ä and k everywhere and you can already do a lot of stuff
Jun 09 17:32:14 <Herrie> LOL
Jun 09 17:32:23 <Herrie> I will have the SE, DK and NO done shortly i guess
Jun 09 17:32:27 <Herrie> Either later today or tomorrow
Jun 09 17:35:19 <Herrie> When the little one gives me some time ;) He tries to stand and walk everywhere now but he can't yet :P
Jun 09 17:35:26 <Herrie> Mrs is @ gym lol ;)
Jun 09 17:36:48 <Tofe> Yep, same as last week, I think I remember :)
Jun 09 17:37:07 <Tofe> Herrie: I'll work a bit on the first-use app
Jun 09 17:37:45 <Tofe> back-arrow issue, search field for timezone, that kind of stuff
Jun 09 17:38:16 <Herrie> Tofe: HE's improving but still way too confident :P
Jun 09 17:38:40 <Herrie> I think back arrow might need to be in onCompleted or something?
Jun 09 17:39:29 <Tofe> I don't remember how the code is organized yet
Jun 09 17:40:14 <Herrie> https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.firstuse/blob/master/qml/StackButton.qml
Jun 09 17:41:10 <Tofe> Herrie: the first page would be language selection, right?
Jun 09 17:41:15 <Tofe> not the welcome page
Jun 09 17:42:06 <Herrie> No welcomepage
Jun 09 17:42:10 <Herrie> Quite sure
Jun 09 17:42:27 <Tofe> ok, so the bug only appears on device?
Jun 09 17:42:42 <Tofe> (I'm still looking at the desktop version)
Jun 09 17:43:15 <Herrie> Checked it's welcome page
Jun 09 17:43:21 <Herrie> Welcome to yur LuneOS device
Jun 09 17:43:43 <Tofe> yes, but I mean, for the Back button issue
Jun 09 17:45:21 <Tofe> ah, no wait, I wrongly read the issue description
Jun 09 17:46:29 <Tofe> ok, can reproduce on desktop, though it happens very quickly
Jun 09 17:46:41 <Herrie> Tofe: It's visible for like 1/2 second ;)
Jun 09 17:52:36 <Tofe> Herrie: here you go: https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.firstuse/pull/15
Jun 09 17:57:18 <Herrie> Tofe: There's alittle delay now for the back button to appear on the other pages :P
Jun 09 17:57:29 <Herrie> The next one is immediate, the back on a bit later
Jun 09 17:59:47 <Tofe> mmmmm :)
Jun 09 17:59:59 <Tofe> picky picky, eh ;)
Jun 09 18:02:00 <HaDAk> Tofe: i can't even have a full conversation yet. i'm working on it.
Jun 09 18:21:43 <HaDAk> Herrie: the mix of serif and sans-serif fonts on the OWO keyboard need to go
Jun 09 18:21:54 <HaDAk> that's just never ok.
Jun 09 18:22:20 <HaDAk> spacing needs to be better, too. the globe button doesn't have a vertically centered icon.
Jun 09 18:23:06 <HaDAk> i'd like to see a bit more space on the edge of the screen for the buttons that have borders. not much. just a couple pixels.
Jun 09 18:23:09 <HaDAk> otherwise, it looks nice.
Jun 09 18:34:59 <Herrie> HaDAk: All SHOULD be Prelude
Jun 09 18:35:06 <Herrie> But could be I need to have a look into that ;)
Jun 09 18:35:08 <HaDAk> yeah, i agree.
Jun 09 18:35:18 <HaDAk> in the screenshots, there are serif fonts.
Jun 09 18:35:21 <HaDAk> it's the subtext
Jun 09 18:35:24 <Herrie> The globe is something I already raised with Benjamin to fix ;)
Jun 09 18:35:30 <Herrie> HaDAk: If you say so ;)
Jun 09 18:35:32 <HaDAk> good. one last thing on the list then.
Jun 09 18:35:33 <Herrie> Let me check
Jun 09 18:35:49 <HaDAk> http://forums.webosnation.com/attachments/luneos/68917d1433618678-pivotce-luneos-june-stable-release-cafe-cubano-20150604204703.png
Jun 09 18:35:53 <HaDAk> look at the question mark
Jun 09 18:35:58 <HaDAk> or IS that prelude?
Jun 09 18:36:08 <HaDAk> it might be
Jun 09 18:36:24 <HaDAk> if it is, i'm sure it's fine. it just looks funny.
Jun 09 18:36:45 <Herrie> HaDAk: Yes it looks ODD
Jun 09 18:36:54 <Herrie> DOesn't look like Prelude to me ;)
Jun 09 18:36:57 <HaDAk> good. i'm glad it's just not me.
Jun 09 18:37:48 <Herrie> HaDAk: https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-keyboard/blob/master/qml/keys/AnnotatedKey.qml#L118
Jun 09 18:38:02 <Herrie> Seems the other 2 don't have a font.family that explains ;)
Jun 09 18:38:22 <HaDAk> :)
Jun 09 18:38:28 <HaDAk> easily fixed
Jun 09 18:38:36 <Herrie> Yup let me PR taht
Jun 09 18:38:39 <Herrie> And check others as well ;)
Jun 09 18:38:54 <Herrie> Didn't notice it :P
Jun 09 18:39:01 <Herrie> Didn't check the screenshot up close ;)
Jun 09 18:39:12 <Herrie> Just was getting stuff working together with Tofe :P
Jun 09 18:39:22 <Herrie> And fixing what looked really wrong sizewise etc ;)
Jun 09 18:39:48 <HaDAk> :)
Jun 09 18:44:16 <Tofe> HaDAk: you're really a pixel-level guy
Jun 09 18:47:30 <HaDAk> Tofe: i try
Jun 09 18:47:41 <HaDAk> i think the word you're looking for is "perfectionist"
Jun 09 18:47:45 <HaDAk> it has to be right
Jun 09 18:58:15 <Tofe> yeah :)
Jun 09 19:13:28 <Herrie> DaDAk: Better? http://tinypic.com/r/iyenpf/8
Jun 09 19:16:54 <Herrie> s/D/H
Jun 09 19:18:42 <Tofe> Herrie: can you recheck the PR ? I updated it
Jun 09 19:25:58 <Tofe> ok, I'll leave you there for tonight. Vi hörs! ;)
Jun 09 19:29:15 <HaDAk> Herrie: better. would still like to see the keys pulled in from the side a bit, but i'm sure it's fine.
Jun 09 19:29:26 <HaDAk> Herrie|2: ^
Jun 09 19:30:22 <HaDAk> actually
Jun 09 19:30:25 <HaDAk> don't bother changing anything
Jun 09 19:30:27 <HaDAk> it looks great
Jun 09 19:30:28 <HaDAk> good job :)
Jun 09 19:30:45 <HaDAk> (get that icon centered)
Jun 09 19:31:06 <HaDAk> IF there are multiple languages enabled, having the spacebar tell you what language it is would work well. like how *gulp* android does it
Jun 09 19:31:21 <HaDAk> oh, and having an enter icon rather than the word "enter" might work better
Jun 09 19:31:31 <HaDAk> plus, you won't have to translate it for other keyboard languages
Jun 09 19:31:51 <HaDAk> ⏎ for example
Jun 09 19:32:23 <HaDAk> maybe make the enter key a bold highlight by default.
Jun 09 19:32:26 <HaDAk> make sense?
Jun 09 19:33:30 <Herrie|2> Tofe: PR looks good, except for 2 small things
Jun 09 19:33:37 <Herrie|2> 1: THe input needs to be bigger
Jun 09 19:33:52 <Herrie|2> 2: The vkb won't hide after there's been focus on the input
Jun 09 19:34:27 <Herrie|2> HaDAk: Good points,might consider sometime :P
Jun 09 19:34:33 <HaDAk> Herrie|2: working on a mockup
Jun 09 19:34:44 <Herrie|2> OK :D
Jun 09 19:39:52 <HaDAk> something maybe kinda like this? http://inft.ly/33S3NWJ
Jun 09 19:41:03 <HaDAk> obviously, it should look nicer, but that's the idea i was aiming for.
Jun 09 19:41:09 <HaDAk> maybe have a color instead of a lighter shade of grey.
Jun 09 20:25:01 <morphis> Herrie|2, Tofe: triggered new testing builds
Jun 09 20:25:15 <morphis> ah stop, forgot the release codename update
Jun 09 20:25:59 <Herrie|2> morphis: You included Settings, Preware & FirstUse?
Jun 09 20:26:39 <Herrie|2> Ah sorry FirstUse not merged yet ;)
Jun 09 20:27:22 <morphis> should I?
Jun 09 20:28:10 <Herrie|2> I guess we can merge and Tofe can improve from there
Jun 09 20:28:19 <Herrie|2> Functionality is OK just cosmetics need fixing
Jun 09 20:28:35 <Herrie|2> Merged
Jun 09 20:28:43 <Herrie|2> https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.firstuse/commit/fe0dce5c4f3dfd29ec77bf9b8882357dbd05e6e9
Jun 09 20:34:22 <morphis> Herrie|2: included
Jun 09 20:35:38 <morphis> Herrie|2, Tofe : I am soon going to enable read-only rootfs
Jun 09 20:42:58 <Herrie|2> OK
Jun 09 20:47:37 <morphis> Herrie|2: you can disable that by: mount -o remount,rw / && touch /.writable_image && reboot
Jun 09 20:51:40 <morphis> but didn't tested that all on the touchpad yet
Jun 09 20:53:52 <Herrie|2> OK had any chance to test N7 lately?
Jun 09 20:53:56 <Herrie|2> Wonder if sound works
Jun 09 20:53:59 <Herrie|2> We had report it doesn't
Jun 09 20:54:11 <Herrie|2> That could explain the old maliit crash when feedback enabled?
Jun 09 20:54:31 <Herrie|2> I mean this one: http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/473
Jun 09 20:54:40 <morphis> possible
Jun 09 20:54:45 <morphis> but no, didn't had a chance
Jun 09 20:58:24 <Herrie|2> Might see if I can get a 2nd hand one somewhere cheap :P
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