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Aug 02 04:54:43 <DougReeder> Possibly off-topic: I’ve released Serene Notes as a Chrome App, so you can install it on a desktop computer or Chromebook: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/serene-notes/eanfkdfcapbibindcepejnaeeigcfhdc
Aug 02 04:55:20 <DougReeder> I’d much appreciate it if you’d install it, try it out, and review it.
Aug 02 05:01:03 <ka6sox> I need to be able to share them across 4 platforms
Aug 02 05:01:10 <ka6sox> can I do that?
Aug 02 05:03:01 <ka6sox> I use Linux/windows/mac/chromeOS
Aug 02 05:11:52 <ka6sox> DougReeder, apple dictation is broken.
Aug 02 05:12:13 <ka6sox> however it does work well for importing and reading help/preferences is very useful
Aug 02 05:12:52 <ka6sox> Feature request:
Aug 02 05:12:53 <DougReeder> Share notes across different devices? Serene Notes can’t do that.
Aug 02 05:13:07 <ka6sox> backup to URL
Aug 02 05:13:11 <ka6sox> and recover from same
Aug 02 05:13:15 <ka6sox> get and put
Aug 02 05:13:21 <DougReeder> Hmmm
Aug 02 05:13:53 <ka6sox> that would solve my problem
Aug 02 05:14:29 <ka6sox> I grab whatever machine I'm nearest too. and what has the apps I need
Aug 02 05:14:37 <ka6sox> okay trying with windows now.
Aug 02 05:14:54 <DougReeder> Generally, copying a database between between platforms leads to data loss or corruption sooner of later.  Its generally best to implement a proper syncing solution.
Aug 02 05:15:29 <ka6sox> agreed
Aug 02 05:15:37 <ka6sox> have to treat it as single user/multiple machine
Aug 02 05:15:42 <ka6sox> similar to phone/tablet stuff
Aug 02 05:15:43 <DougReeder> … which reaquires a server, which costs money to keep in operation, which requires monetization.
Aug 02 05:16:02 <ka6sox> well…sync solution can be on devie
Aug 02 05:16:04 <ka6sox> device
Aug 02 05:16:13 <ka6sox> with their "own" server
Aug 02 05:16:30 <ka6sox> I'll be responsible for syncing…manually if I have to.
Aug 02 05:16:44 <ka6sox> but backup to URL would be damned useful.
Aug 02 05:17:16 <DougReeder> How would one handle authorization and authenticatyion?
Aug 02 05:17:35 <ka6sox> use chrome's TLS/SSL
Aug 02 05:20:17 <ka6sox> https connection to server
Aug 02 05:20:46 <ka6sox> means I can have a webobjects server that just keeps this an an object
Aug 02 05:22:12 <DougReeder> Im not sure I follow you.
Aug 02 05:22:18 <DougReeder> You dont mean chrome.syncFileSystem?
Aug 02 05:23:40 <ka6sox> I'm thinking the same mechanism thats use for "choose file to upload" and then puts it to a URL..in this case using HTTPS
Aug 02 05:24:35 <DougReeder> In general, the server would need to implement authorization & authenticatioin, which means administering accounts.
Aug 02 05:25:50 <ka6sox> I guess I could write 4 apps that do nothing but sync to web server :)
Aug 02 05:26:03 <ka6sox> push up and pull down
Aug 02 05:26:33 <ka6sox> file is same format for all platforms?
Aug 02 05:27:47 <ka6sox> okay let me play for a bit
Aug 02 05:27:48 * DougReeder nods
Aug 02 05:30:04 <DougReeder> Syncing by copying files back and forth is going to be brittle and fragile.
Aug 02 05:31:11 <DougReeder> The backup and import mechanism is meant for scenarios like replacing a device and copying notes to the new device.
Aug 02 05:32:14 <ka6sox> with Chrome available on so many platforms (all the ones I use) it would be useful if I was able to have notes available across platforms...
Aug 02 05:32:19 <ka6sox> maybe a bridge too far.
Aug 02 05:33:39 <DougReeder> Oh, unquestionably that would be useful.
Aug 02 05:36:08 <DougReeder> …and I want it, too.  But it needs to be a sustainable solution.
Aug 02 05:36:52 <ka6sox> biggest db you would ever expect to have to sync?
Aug 02 05:37:14 * DougReeder shrugs “depends on how many notes you have
Aug 02 05:37:45 <ka6sox> 1000 10 line notes
Aug 02 05:37:56 <DougReeder> If you write one note a day, and notes are 1k in size, thats 365k / year
Aug 02 05:37:57 <ka6sox> 100 400 line meetings
Aug 02 05:38:04 <ka6sox> nothing
Aug 02 05:38:55 <DougReeder> I tend to paste in code and program output, so my notes are larger.
Aug 02 05:38:59 * ka6sox could see this being used for capturing IRC conversations...
Aug 02 05:39:22 <ka6sox> thats the most annoying thing about IRC..it sculls off never to be found again.
Aug 02 05:39:30 <ka6sox> scrolls
Aug 02 05:39:40 * DougReeder smiles “some of my LuneOS notes are copied and pasted from IRC”
Aug 02 05:45:58 <ka6sox> okay Apple's dictation sucks
Aug 02 05:46:04 <DougReeder> Also, you might see if Evernote meets your needs.
Aug 02 05:46:16 <ka6sox> kid likes that
Aug 02 05:46:36 <DougReeder> I find their interface clunky, but they do solidly sync across platforms.
Aug 02 05:46:38 <ka6sox> search is really important to me
Aug 02 05:46:56 <ka6sox> I'm told their search sucks
Aug 02 05:47:10 <DougReeder> What specifically do you mean by “ apple dictation is broken”
Aug 02 05:47:49 <ka6sox> I"ve tried about 10 times to get it to recognize speech and actually put something in the note.
Aug 02 05:48:00 <ka6sox> click "start dictation"
Aug 02 05:48:07 <ka6sox> it says "done" with a mic
Aug 02 05:48:17 <ka6sox> say something
Aug 02 05:48:18 <ka6sox> click "done"
Aug 02 05:48:35 <ka6sox> 3 little dots move…then it shakes..then it disappears and NO text
Aug 02 05:49:08 <DougReeder> I havent ever tried that.
Aug 02 05:49:39 <ka6sox> this seems like an apple dictation thing..not your app.
Aug 02 05:49:45 <DougReeder> :-S
Aug 02 05:50:07 <DougReeder> Are you usign “Enhanced Dictation”?
Aug 02 05:54:38 <DougReeder> Hmm, Apple understands my “The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain” just fine.
Aug 02 05:55:44 <DougReeder> Certainly, good speech recognition would be invaluable for mobile devices.
Aug 02 05:58:16 <DougReeder> I recall that handwriting recognition on the Newton would often get words wrong.
Aug 02 05:59:14 <DougReeder> It would have been nice to tap on a word and get the top four possibilityes - I bet the correct word would almost always been among them.
Aug 02 06:01:15 <ka6sox> yup
Aug 02 06:01:16 <ka6sox> once you teach it
Aug 02 06:01:32 <ka6sox> okay I guess mine is broken..I'll look into it later…playing on ChromeOS now...
Aug 02 06:03:03 <DougReeder> You have a Chromebook? I never unearthed one to test on.
Aug 02 06:03:21 <DougReeder> … and it wasnt clear it was worth it to buy one.
Aug 02 06:03:51 <DougReeder> Though, a Chromebook is pretty much the ideal platform for Serene.
Aug 02 06:04:40 <ka6sox> yes, that's the one I carry with me on every trip
Aug 02 06:06:04 <ka6sox> I also have Android phones but I don't expect it to work there.
Aug 02 06:08:57 <DougReeder> I tested an earlier version of Serene as an “open web app” on Android, but I havent tested it as a Chrome app.
Aug 02 06:11:30 <ka6sox> okay I'll test it there
Aug 02 06:14:42 <DougReeder> Thanks!
Aug 02 06:15:26 <DougReeder> I need to get to bed.  Let me know how things work out by some other channel.
Aug 02 06:30:25 <ka6sox> okay
Aug 02 08:36:33 <Herrie> Tofe: ping
Aug 02 08:37:10 <Herrie> morphis: ping
Aug 02 09:25:38 <Tofe> Herrie: pong
Aug 02 09:39:32 <Herrie> Tofe: I noticed that after morphis made the multi-window support in browser, QtCreator gives 3 errors while running. Also when there's a component that's broken, the whole browser gives a white screen without indicating where the problem is. Maybe that's something you could fix?
Aug 02 09:40:27 <Herrie> For example when I try to use the ColorPicker.qml from https://code.google.com/p/dukto/source/browse/trunk/qml/dukto/?r=109 it will give me white screen when I run the browser and I have no clue what's the problem ;)
Aug 02 09:41:11 <Herrie> When I look in QTCreator in all required QML files like SBPicker.qml etc I see no problems there ;) Difficult to troubleshoot this way ;)
Aug 02 09:43:51 <Tofe> ah
Aug 02 09:45:56 <Tofe> Herrie: I see 5 errors in QtCreator :)
Aug 02 09:46:34 <Herrie> Well I have 2 anchor loop warnings as well
Aug 02 09:47:04 <Herrie> The luna-service mocks I know how to make now ;)
Aug 02 09:47:23 <Herrie> I did those in FirstUse ;)
Aug 02 09:47:37 <Herrie> So will do those here too
Aug 02 09:48:09 <Herrie> For the bookmark, history and prefs ;)
Aug 02 09:49:09 <Tofe> I see errors related to the "application" global variable, a "closed" signal absent of the LuneOS.Application type, things like that
Aug 02 09:55:41 <Herrie> Yeah those I mean
Aug 02 10:03:10 <Tofe> Ok, I see better what you meant
Aug 02 10:05:09 <Tofe> So, the white browser thingy is because we do a dynamic creation of the  BrowserWindow.qml component
Aug 02 10:05:39 <Tofe> In this case, if there is an issue with this qml component, Qt only says that it couldn't create it
Aug 02 10:05:47 <Tofe> Quite frustrating.
Aug 02 10:06:47 <Herrie> Yup
Aug 02 10:07:15 <Herrie> When something is broken elsewhere it's searching for a needle in a haystack
Aug 02 10:07:33 <Herrie> Also window is very small when created
Aug 02 10:07:52 <Tofe> We could output errorString() when there's an issue
Aug 02 10:07:54 <Tofe> let me see
Aug 02 10:08:45 <Tofe> yes, it helps
Aug 02 10:09:27 <Herrie> :D
Aug 02 10:13:00 <Tofe> I've reduced the number of errors to the onRelaunched connection
Aug 02 10:13:57 <Herrie> :D
Aug 02 10:16:49 <Tofe> ah, "main" is lowercase
Aug 02 10:20:29 <Tofe> Here, now all errors are gone.
Aug 02 10:20:35 <Tofe> I'll PR that
Aug 02 10:22:42 <Herrie> :D
Aug 02 10:24:03 <Tofe> https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.browser/pull/37
Aug 02 10:30:43 <Tofe> My 4th commit ! I'm coming back in the game !
Aug 02 10:33:01 <Herrie> Looking good!
Aug 02 10:33:11 <Herrie> Seems the ColorPicker was using QtQuick 1.0 which we don't have :P
Aug 02 10:33:23 <Herrie> Changed it into 2.0 and now it works
Aug 02 10:33:28 <Tofe> ok, good
Aug 02 10:33:39 <Herrie> Looks OK in general. I guess I can work this ColorPicker out into something that's usable for us :)
Aug 02 10:33:57 <Herrie> Just need to add it to a dialog, add some buttons etc
Aug 02 10:34:01 <Herrie> But basics look OK
Aug 02 10:36:24 <Herrie> Ah it seems QML also provides a COlorDialog
Aug 02 10:36:32 <Herrie> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtquick-dialogs-colordialog.html
Aug 02 10:36:36 <Herrie> Might try that instead
Aug 02 10:41:37 <Tofe> Ah yes! I completely forgot :)
Aug 02 10:44:40 <Tofe> Ok, lunch is calling (I tried to translate it to dutch for you, but google says "appel worst pie", so...)
Aug 02 10:45:37 <Herrie> LOL ;)
Aug 02 10:45:49 <Herrie> Enjoy
Aug 02 10:45:54 <Tofe> thanks!
Aug 02 10:46:40 <Herrie> Mrs will be back from gym bootcamp session soon, so lunch here too soon ;)
Aug 02 17:57:41 <Herrie> Tofe: ping
Aug 02 18:01:42 <Tofe> Herrie: pong
Aug 02 18:02:44 <Tofe> Herrie: I'm currently trying to see how to keep the desktop version of the browser usable, with the dependency to LuneOS.Components
Aug 02 18:04:13 <Herrie> I manage to get the ColorDialog working on Desktop, but on device it opens a white screen
Aug 02 18:04:17 <Herrie> Nothing useful in the log :S
Aug 02 18:04:18 <Herrie> Any ideas?
Aug 02 18:05:45 <Tofe> the whole browser is a white thing?
Aug 02 18:06:02 <Herrie> No just the ColorDialog when it opens (it opens in a new window it seems)
Aug 02 18:06:29 <Tofe> oh, it creates a new top level window... "great" :)
Aug 02 18:06:45 <Herrie> Well I just copied the code from here: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtquick-dialogs-colordialog.html#details
Aug 02 18:07:23 <Herrie> Named the file ColorDialog2.qml and added experimental.colorChooser: ColorDialog2 {} to WebView.qml
Aug 02 18:08:02 <Tofe> Do we even have Qt.Dialog ?
Aug 02 18:08:04 <Tofe> on device?
Aug 02 18:08:21 <Tofe> QtQuick.Dialogs
Aug 02 18:09:26 <Herrie> I'm not sure, maybe not?
Aug 02 18:10:41 <Herrie> That might explain :P
Aug 02 18:10:52 <Herrie> But it should give some kind of error in the log right?
Aug 02 18:11:05 <Tofe> I'm not sure in which package it's supposed to be
Aug 02 18:11:38 <Tofe> yes, it should, but maybe luna-qml-launcher doesn't output everything
Aug 02 18:11:57 <Herrie> Cause my journalctl shows nothing useful :P
Aug 02 18:17:19 <Tofe> no, it looks like we have it
Aug 02 18:22:11 <Herrie> Hmmz even stranger
Aug 02 18:22:18 <Herrie> Well the description might give us a clue
Aug 02 18:22:48 <Herrie> "The implementation of ColorDialog will be a platform color dialog if possible. If that isn't possible, then it will try to instantiate a QColorDialog. If that also isn't possible, then it will fall back to a QML implementation, DefaultColorDialog.qml"
Aug 02 18:22:59 <Herrie> So it could be it does something else on Desktop compared to device?
Aug 02 18:24:02 <Tofe> Ah, yes, that might explain it
Aug 02 18:24:18 <Tofe> what URL do you test it on?
Aug 02 18:24:31 <Herrie> http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_colorpicker.asp
Aug 02 18:24:51 <Herrie> Then press the square below "Or Use HTML5:"
Aug 02 18:24:51 <Tofe> do you still have the whole luna-send command, by any chance ? :)
Aug 02 18:24:58 <Herrie> luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch '{"id":"org.webosports.app.browser","params":{"scene":"page","target":"http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_colorpicker.asp"}}'
Aug 02 18:25:01 <Tofe> thx!
Aug 02 18:28:52 <Tofe> nothing appears on my N4 :(
Aug 02 18:29:32 <Herrie> Did you add the files?
Aug 02 18:29:38 <Herrie> It's not in the repo yet ;)
Aug 02 18:29:47 <Herrie> The other one I linked earlier does work
Aug 02 18:30:00 <Herrie> This one I mean: https://code.google.com/p/dukto/source/browse/trunk/qml/dukto/?r=109
Aug 02 18:30:07 <Herrie> I just needs quite some work to be usable ;)
Aug 02 18:32:12 <Tofe> what files ? I created ColorDialog2 as you did, directly on device, and added its support in webview. Anything I forgot ?
Aug 02 18:33:13 <Herrie> Tofe: No that should work
Aug 02 18:33:18 <Herrie> It's a bit picky this square
Aug 02 18:33:26 <Herrie> It doesn't always work 1st time for me
Aug 02 18:35:15 <Tofe> nope, nothing, I must have done somethng wrong
Aug 02 18:35:48 <Herrie> Ah you need to add a visible: true as well!
Aug 02 18:35:59 <Herrie> Seems that somehow the onCOmpleted one doesn't do it for me...
Aug 02 18:36:51 <Tofe> ok
Aug 02 18:37:48 <Tofe> ok, now I get it
Aug 02 18:42:09 <Herrie> This is the "Dukto" one: http://tinypic.com/r/v7d2r4/8
Aug 02 18:42:24 <Herrie> Needs some work but isn't a bad start, but the ColorDialog should just work ;)
Aug 02 18:43:26 <Tofe> yeah
Aug 02 18:46:56 <Tofe> not sure what this blank window is
Aug 02 18:49:07 <Tofe> Herrie: put the ColorDialog in an Item
Aug 02 18:49:31 <Tofe> and set the visibility of the Item to be equal to the visibility of the ColorDialog
Aug 02 18:54:08 <Herrie> Ah that displays something
Aug 02 18:54:09 <Tofe> Then, if you bind the accept and reject to the model, if works
Aug 02 18:54:15 <Tofe> it*
Aug 02 18:54:19 <Herrie> Nothing too different from the dukto one ;)
Aug 02 18:54:36 <Tofe> it's just a not very touch-friendly window
Aug 02 18:55:37 <Herrie> Yeah
Aug 02 18:56:11 <Tofe> That's still a first step
Aug 02 18:57:50 <Herrie> It's not exremely touch friendly but well
Aug 02 18:57:56 <Herrie> I have nothing to compare it with ;)
Aug 02 18:58:11 <Herrie> It will help our HTML5test.com score a bit ;)
Aug 02 18:58:54 <Herrie> Get 392 now ;)
Aug 02 18:59:01 <Herrie> Edge only gets 402 ;)
Aug 02 18:59:12 <Herrie> Chrome gets 526 though ;)
Aug 02 18:59:25 <Herrie> FF is at 467
Aug 02 18:59:35 <Herrie> Legacy < is 290 or something
Aug 02 20:32:57 <Tofe> good :)
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