**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 28 02:59:59 2016 Jan 28 06:22:15 DougReeder: ah, a bit late... https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-init/commit/f98dc8c57ec974bcc77668ec3701ebd7d122cf37 Jan 28 06:22:59 But we can still revert it and put comments instead Jan 28 08:05:40 morning Jan 28 10:05:20 Herrie|Veer: mornign! Jan 28 10:05:50 Herrie|Veer: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/voicecall/merge_requests/2 ;) Jan 28 10:21:41 Tofe: Nice :) Jan 28 13:08:47 JaMa: ping Jan 28 13:16:12 pong Jan 28 13:16:47 We bumped connection stack (connman, ofono etc) in fido. Jan 28 13:17:11 I also noticed unstable builds failed due to tmpfs running out of space ;) Jan 28 13:27:49 I've noticed both Jan 28 13:27:59 unstable builds were running in parallel with my world builds Jan 28 13:28:06 using the same RAM for tmpfs.. :/ Jan 28 13:35:17 JaMa: OK good, just thought to give you the heads up :) Jan 28 15:12:10 Howdy LuneOS folks! In an email the other day I said I'd like to help with development. To familiarize myself with enyo programming I studied the File Manager app. I think I could help with bug #1077 File Manager should have a Copy function. Jan 28 15:16:03 Hi paul': That's a nice thing to start on :) Jan 28 15:16:53 Since the File Manager uses both a service and app, you are probably best to use VirtualBox image or an actual device for development. Jan 28 17:19:34 morphis: ping Jan 28 18:01:17 Yes. I have virtualbox and a touchpad. I'll test on both. Jan 28 18:16:48 paul`: OK :) With VirtualBox you can just SCP the changed files over to /usr/palm/services/servicename for the service file and /usr/palm/applications/appname for the app ;) Jan 28 18:17:14 Then in console do: systemctl restart luna-next and it will reload the webappmgr so in case there's anything cached it's gone ;) Jan 28 19:26:46 Looks like there's a new nightly to test. Jan 28 19:33:00 KyleMaas_Laptop: not too many changes ;) Jan 28 19:33:44 New update icon after Benjamin confirme he's OK with Apache 2.0 Jan 28 19:33:54 Herrie: That one include the new oFono, etc. stack? Jan 28 19:34:09 Phone app & bluetooth fixes & oFono, ConnMann etc Jan 28 19:34:17 But for VirtualBox that's of little use ;) Jan 28 19:34:33 KyleMaas_Laptop: I also fixed the file handlers Jan 28 19:34:57 Now the correct app opens, but PDF, Preware & Photos app need an implementation to handle with them still :P Jan 28 19:35:13 SVG for browser is OK Jan 28 19:35:48 Cool. Yeah, I figured there were a few UI layer changes to test. Jan 28 19:36:04 Need to add a few more low hanging fruit bugs to the bug tracker. :) Jan 28 20:12:14 Working on this one right now, by the way: http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/1091 Jan 28 20:12:57 KyleMaas_Laptop: OK Jan 28 20:19:49 Doesn't work well, but this does at least improve the state of Preware 2's debuggability on the desktop significantly: https://github.com/KyleMaas/preware/tree/fix-debug Jan 28 20:19:59 And with that, I've got to get going. Jan 28 21:16:23 * elvispre 's N4 is providing his entertainment. (Thanks Herrie.) Jan 28 21:45:32 Hi guys, is there any good documentation for your luneos-qml-components? Jan 28 21:46:20 was thinking of making a backend for this project: https://github.com/M4rtinK/universal-components Jan 28 21:46:48 which allows people to easily make cross platform native styled QML apps Jan 28 21:53:19 r0kk3rz: Ooh that's a good one ;) Jan 28 21:53:38 It's not really documented that well (like lots of things currently) Jan 28 21:53:46 Let me have a look to see if I can write something up quickly Jan 28 21:54:36 r0kk3rz: It's currently mainly used for re-using in different components. We still need to do our UI components really Jan 28 21:54:44 We have a few, but nothing too fancy so far Jan 28 21:56:17 These are basically our WebView and additions: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luneos-components/tree/master/modules/LuneOS/Components which are used in multiple places (FirstUse App, Browser App, Enyo webapp rendering for example) Jan 28 21:56:36 https://github.com/webOS-ports/luneos-components/tree/master/modules/LuneOS/Application defines our different window types Jan 28 21:57:15 https://github.com/webOS-ports/luneos-components/tree/master/modules/LuneOS/Service/plugin is used to do luna services calls in QML. Jan 28 21:57:42 These are our UI components that need a lot of work still: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luneos-components/tree/master/modules/QtQuick/Controls/Styles/LuneOS Jan 28 21:58:27 These are various imports that can be used on the desktop to get stub/dummy data for things that are normally available on a device: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luneos-components/tree/master/test/imports Jan 28 21:59:08 This will allow you to run https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.phone, https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.firstuse, https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.browser, https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell in QtCreator :) Jan 28 21:59:31 elvispre: Using BlueTooth headset :P ? Jan 28 22:00:40 yeah ok, I wasnt sure how advanced luneos was at this point in time Jan 28 22:00:50 Herrie|Laptop: please wait before merging https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.phone/pull/29 Jan 28 22:01:04 I should work well, but I'd like to improve it Jan 28 22:01:14 r0kk3rz: Not sure what your background is, but we can always use help :) Jan 28 22:01:21 In for example the QML styling :P Jan 28 22:01:35 it would be nice to get some minimalist examples of how to use each of the defined components Jan 28 22:01:55 but i guess people can use the controls backend if they wanted to support luneos anyway Jan 28 22:02:40 Herrie|Laptop: yeah many projects, not enough time :) i'm from the sailfishos community Jan 28 22:03:30 r0kk3rz: We can run standard QT stuff, just we don't have Silica or Cascaded like SailfishOS or BB10 ;) Jan 28 22:03:58 So those apps don't run currently. Otherwise we're pretty OK ;) Fingerterm comes from Jolla I think ;) Jan 28 22:04:14 which is a good way to be tbh, i mean we're all writing Qt mobile apps, so it should all just work Jan 28 22:05:04 r0kk3rz: Ueaj Jan 28 22:05:08 Yeah Jan 28 22:05:13 LOL, finger was off ;) Jan 28 22:05:41 The components we have are basically things that are used in multiple apps, so we can maintain them in a single place Jan 28 22:05:48 They're more back end things then UI currently Jan 28 22:06:11 And a way to interface between QML and our "legacy" webOS part as well :) Jan 28 22:07:30 There's also a big thing missing in our QML apps: we don't really have a unified style for the basic components Jan 28 22:07:53 r0kk3rz: We just made our first calls only last week on our devices :P So we're lacking a bit compared to SailfishOS feature wise, but getting there slowly. We have a smaller community ;) Jan 28 22:08:37 Herrie|Laptop: for the call history, we're already back in the game, and frankly almost better Jan 28 22:08:56 Herrie|Laptop: yeah well, it helps that sailfishos is backed by Jolla Jan 28 22:09:05 (that's not hard, in SFOS it's just a bare list with names and dates...) Jan 28 22:10:13 ok going to bed now :) gn8 ! Jan 28 22:10:24 Tofe: Well we are lucky in some regards we have "legacy" ;) Jan 28 22:10:29 Tofe: gn8 Jan 28 22:10:45 Herrie|Laptop: recently we had a bit of a scare with Jolla nearly going bankrupt, so some of us have started thinking of ways to spread things out a bit Jan 28 22:11:35 r0kk3rz: Yeah I would be said to see them go Jan 28 22:11:53 And we're not that far off and re-using and contributing as well :) Jan 28 22:12:17 Lots of components are shared between Mer, LuneOS, Ubuntu, Plasma Mobile, Tizen ;) Jan 28 22:12:32 exactly Jan 28 22:12:39 All different implementations, but lots the same at the core Jan 28 22:13:47 on the app side, there is an ok amount of silica apps, Jan 28 22:13:58 so helping them to support all the others, i think is better for everyone Jan 28 22:19:46 r0kk3rz: Yeah would be nice if they would open source Silica Jan 28 22:20:15 I know there's some early version floating around somewhere (at least I found that when I was checking about 6 months back) Jan 28 22:21:38 Herrie|Laptop: thats a bit of an interesting situation, since its qml the source is there Jan 28 22:21:46 but its not open licenced Jan 28 22:21:59 r0kk3rz: We have the same for lots of legacy webOS stuff ;) Jan 28 22:22:07 and theres some backing cpp closed bits which we cant touch Jan 28 22:22:11 It's all JS, HTML and CSS, but not open licensed ;) Jan 28 22:22:27 But we can extract from legacy and get them to run on LuneOS :P Jan 28 22:22:38 But cannot legally distribute them ;) Jan 28 22:22:50 yeah thats the trouble Jan 28 22:23:04 plus theres no contribution method Jan 28 22:23:10 Also the legacy apps from webOS 3.x were locked to Touchpad resolution of 1024*768 so the CSS would need some tweaking etc Jan 28 22:23:40 So unless somebody sets up a feed somewhere with these things it's not of that much use to the end-user ;) Jan 28 22:25:56 jolla at least keep entertaining the idea of opening silica Jan 28 22:26:07 whether that ever happens or not, yeah who knows Jan 28 22:26:18 Herrie: If I could get music to my Bluetooth headset, LuneOS would be feature-complete. (Well, you know, nearly.) Jan 28 22:38:36 r0kk3rz: Yeah, well with webOS moving from HP to LG, their open source strategy pretty much vanished Jan 28 22:39:30 yeah I can imagine Jan 28 22:39:44 which is a shame, with all those webos tvs about the place Jan 28 22:41:47 r0kk3rz: Yeah and we're happy to provide fixes upstream as well. Jan 28 22:42:11 But LG and Samsung are each other's arch enemies, so they try to play "hide and seek" :S Jan 28 22:43:01 Boo Samsung ;) Jan 28 22:46:08 Just most Asian companies are not so much of "open source" :P Jan 28 22:46:19 Andolamin: How is the pneumonia going? Jan 28 22:47:03 Cough is being annoyingly persistent, but back to 80%. Jan 28 22:47:05 Herrie|Laptop: i wonder how much common core there is left since the LG takeover Jan 28 22:47:38 r0kk3rz: Nobody knows :P Jan 28 22:48:05 r0kk3rz: The ones who DO know are bound by NDA :P Jan 28 22:48:25 yeah Jan 28 22:49:02 Gotta love NDAs Jan 28 22:49:48 I suspect in the core it's not that much different, mainly in UI Jan 28 22:49:58 But then again, I can only guess **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 29 02:59:59 2016