**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 13 02:59:58 2016 Jun 13 03:15:58 Whoa, lots of new account servers! Jun 13 03:22:55 I know it’s libpurple, but we’re not going to impress people by offering them into MySpace. :-) Jun 13 03:24:27 We’re going to need to organize the list - probably by type Jun 13 03:29:08 It appears XFire has shut down. Jun 13 03:29:49 Eh, if libpurple hasn’t dealt with it when we’re ready to go beta, we can deal with dead IM services then Jun 13 03:35:53 Herrie, I installed that build on my N4, but I still have to force the autolinker to run. :-( Jun 13 04:02:20 Did we figure out why some Enyo 1 apps throw the error file:///usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/1.0/framework/build/enyo-build.js Failed to load resource Jun 13 04:02:38 The file exists on-device Jun 13 04:15:30 DougReeder: We still have some issues with pidgin/libpurple Jun 13 04:15:38 It doesn't work properly in the background Jun 13 04:15:55 Trying to figure that our, seems DBUS related or something with our build params Jun 13 04:16:08 I'll check with JaMa when he's around Jun 13 04:16:16 * DougReeder nods Jun 13 04:16:50 We also don't seem to have any plugins, while legacy had some .so files in /usr/lib/purple-2 Jun 13 04:17:15 I can get them build, but they don't get included in the image. So I'm not sure what's the best approach for that Jun 13 04:21:31 It seems I get seperate IPK's for when I use --enable-plugins Jun 13 04:21:42 But these don't get deployed Jun 13 04:21:56 * DougReeder nods Jun 13 04:24:16 Also still have issues with DBUS Jun 13 04:24:36 "(14:23:02) dbus: Failed to get connection: Using X11 for dbus-daemon autolaunch was disabled at compile time, set your DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS instead" Jun 13 04:24:54 That's the only difference when I try to start imaccountvalidator compared to legacy Jun 13 04:25:08 Are we using X Windows? Jun 13 04:25:48 X11 typically refers to X Windows Jun 13 04:27:36 DougReeder we shouldn't Jun 13 04:27:54 Hrm Jun 13 04:28:27 I was able to trace it back to /etc/profile that we have on legacy that has this contents: https://bpaste.net/show/d392500476e2 Jun 13 04:28:34 We don't have this file Jun 13 04:29:11 So, yeah, we need someone who knows DBUS. Jun 13 04:29:28 Yup... Jun 13 04:30:34 In the shell on device, DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is not defined as an environment variable. Jun 13 04:31:37 DougReeder: Yeah tried to set it but then got file doesn't exist etc errors Jun 13 04:31:56 These are the options while building pidgin: https://bpaste.net/show/7dd0f6c7081c So quite a few :P Jun 13 04:32:56 Can we remove the XFire account template? They’ve shut down. Jun 13 04:36:08 DougReeder: I thought I cleaned all non-existing ones up, but I guess I missed this one. Jun 13 04:36:30 :-S So many defunt messaging services Jun 13 04:36:32 I'll remove it. It's all in messaging-accounts repo. Jun 13 04:37:18 DougReeder: Yeah but seems there are quite some libpurple plugins like for Telegram and WhatsApp nowadays ;-) Jun 13 04:37:29 Good! Jun 13 04:37:47 So that would be nice to have with Synergy :-) Jun 13 04:38:09 have we tested all these account types yet? Jun 13 04:38:20 I also noticed the xhr enyo error, but it doesn't seem to affect the apps from what I could see? Jun 13 04:38:34 Or you've noticed otherwise? Jun 13 04:39:32 For Apollo, that may be why it doesn’t launch Jun 13 04:43:39 It does run past the point where that error is logged. Jun 13 04:43:47 DougReeder: No I cannot test them because of libpurple/pidgin not working properly yet. I suspect it's something small. Once that works imaccountvalidator will work. Jun 13 04:44:14 DougReeder: Is Apollo in a feed somewhere? Jun 13 04:44:27 Not that I know of Jun 13 04:46:24 Not sure if it’s open-source Jun 13 04:46:59 I think it ran in the past. Jun 13 04:47:31 I might have the ipk somewhere. Let me check and try on a build that had qtwebkit still Jun 13 04:48:31 The next error is Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'com.palm.properties.nduid' of null Jun 13 04:49:03 … because AppGlobals.systemProperties is null, but that’s an app-specific thing Jun 13 04:50:39 It’s possible that’s caused by us not supporting com.palm.preferences/systemProperties: http://www.openwebosproject.org/docs/developer_reference/service_apis/system_properties/ Jun 13 04:53:56 I need to stuff more photos on my device to test how fast Node is working now. Jun 13 04:54:38 In support of that, I’m copying all of my digital photos to one folder on a DVD. :-) Jun 13 04:56:25 I was running short on space in the LuneOS partition. Jun 13 04:57:54 One guy had problems starting Zap on his webOS device. Turned out he had 10,000 photos in one directory, and I hadn’t allowed for that. :-) Jun 13 04:58:33 DougReeder: Which version you have of Apollo? Jun 13 04:58:40 I have 3 different ones it seems here Jun 13 04:58:44 For TP Jun 13 04:58:53 com.jmtk.apollo_1.2.5_all.ipk Jun 13 04:59:07 OK Jun 13 04:59:20 Got that one as well and 1.2.6 from a beta feed it seems Jun 13 05:01:49 OK I can replicate your failure :P Jun 13 05:02:05 Let me load the qtwebkit version here Jun 13 05:02:08 See what that one does Jun 13 05:06:47 DougReeder: It also fails with QtWebKit Jun 13 05:08:00 Ah after a while I get "Sorry Pandora is not available in this country" Jun 13 05:08:17 Heh. Jun 13 05:08:47 Okay, it seems I have 11,621 photos in all Jun 13 05:09:46 This is my log with qtwebkit: https://bpaste.net/show/4c4fce5021ac Jun 13 05:10:56 I was looking at the JavaScript log Jun 13 05:30:49 DougReeder: OK ;) Jun 13 05:31:18 Sorry, I’m trying to finish off the Node.js issue first. Jun 13 05:32:31 My 9,000 smallest photos should do just as well, and might actuall fit on a DVD! Jun 13 07:23:44 morphis: ping Jun 13 08:04:00 Morning! Jun 13 08:05:38 Tofe: morning! Jun 13 08:05:43 All rested? Jun 13 08:47:25 Yep! Jun 13 08:51:22 :) Jun 13 08:51:35 Tofe: How's your DBUS knowledge :P ? Jun 13 08:53:02 DougReeder: The nduid call works for me on emulator. Jun 13 08:53:16 It's taken care of by luna-prefs component Jun 13 09:00:09 Herrie|Pre3: basic, but working Jun 13 09:02:56 I'm trying to get imvalidator (in /usr/sbin) to work. But it's complaining Jun 13 09:03:25 Seems we had an /etc/profile on legacy that took care of those bits. When I set these I still cannot get it working :s Jun 13 09:04:22 It's complaining about DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS Jun 13 09:05:57 When I set it to /tmp/session_bus_socket as in legacy I get "failed to connect to socket /tmp/session_ bus_socket: No such file or directory Jun 13 09:06:42 today dbus is started by systemd; it is very possible that the session bus address isn't located at the same place Jun 13 09:07:08 How do I figure out what it should be :p ? Jun 13 09:07:18 ewh Jun 13 09:07:35 with a bit of luck, we can see it using a ps axfww Jun 13 09:08:24 on the line where dbus --session is started Jun 13 09:09:28 I only seem to have a dbus-deamon Jun 13 09:10:09 you could also try "dbus-launch --exit-with-session imvalidator " Jun 13 09:11:36 but it's very possible it will start a *new* dbus session in this case Jun 13 09:11:53 OK that gives me dbus: okkk now Jun 13 09:12:05 Instead of the error so that's progress Jun 13 09:12:15 Still have permission errors though :s Jun 13 09:12:40 invalid permissions for com.palm.imaccountvalidator (transport.c:2472) Jun 13 09:13:02 I'll look into that a bit more. I got those sorted last week with ls2 update Jun 13 09:13:45 ok Jun 13 09:14:14 Could be my image here is too old Jun 13 09:14:24 Seems from 7th Jun 13 09:14:28 So will try latest Jun 13 09:19:48 Tofe: Also I got pidgin to build the plugins that we had in legacy by adding --enable-plugins to the PACKAGECONFIG Jun 13 09:20:10 Just not sure how to get them deployed. I guess I'll ask JaMa when he's around Jun 13 09:24:55 The pidgin recipee in meta-oe looks quite complicated :P Jun 13 09:30:46 Herrie|Pre3: well, it would mainly be to check that the binaries are there in the package Jun 13 09:31:46 Tofe: It seems to currently generate separate IPK's for each plugin but these don't get deployed Jun 13 09:33:26 On legacy when you check /usr/lib/purple-2 you'll see 21 .so files. We only have a handful it seems Jun 13 09:33:50 These additional ones are being generated when you build pidgin with the --enable-plugins Jun 13 09:33:59 But as separate IPKs it seems Jun 13 09:40:49 speaking about the devil LOL :P Jun 13 09:40:53 JaMa: morning Jun 13 09:41:58 hey :) Jun 13 09:42:42 JaMa: Been playing a bit with pidgin but need some help I guess :s Jun 13 09:43:40 We seem to be missing the various plugins in our image. When I add --enable-plugins in the bbappend packageconfig they get built as separate IPK's but not deployed? Jun 13 09:44:20 We have a few .so in /usr/lib/purple-2 but on legacy the plugins end up there too. Jun 13 09:51:43 Recipe seems to go back to at least 2011 if not earlier in SHR days so thought to ask you :P Jun 13 10:11:07 you can just add them to RDEPENDS in packagegroup if you just need them to be installed Jun 13 10:12:19 JaMa: Ah OK, I'll give that a go tonight then :) Jun 13 10:32:16 JaMa: I guess I can do the same with external plugins? I.e. Telegram and WhatsApp? After I add a recipe to build them? Jun 13 10:55:58 yes Jun 13 16:47:28 So Jun 13 16:47:41 I'm home, I'm awake -- what should I test first? Jun 13 17:06:50 ah, yes, audio on N4 Jun 13 17:19:01 Tofe, what TZ does your body think you are in? Jun 13 17:19:56 ka6sox: I'm gonna gues the TZ where he lives Jun 13 17:20:06 *guess Jun 13 17:20:45 is it not 19:00? Jun 13 17:21:00 :) Jun 13 17:45:14 ka6sox: yes, it is Jun 13 17:45:29 but I meant I'm home from work :) Jun 13 17:52:13 (of course \o/ Jun 13 17:52:19 ) Jun 13 17:52:27 I wish I were home from work :( Jun 13 18:20:29 Herrie: https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/pull/185 solves audio issue on Mako Jun 13 18:34:27 Tofe: great Jun 13 18:34:44 Does wired headset work? I don't remember Jun 13 18:49:57 Anybody interested in coming to work with me on webOS apps at LG SVL? Jun 13 18:50:43 is that a job invitation? Jun 13 18:51:17 I'm not the hiring manager, but we are hiring. https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/139391960?trk=jobs_biz_prem_srch Jun 13 18:52:39 That's for an opening on the same team as Eric Blade and me. Jun 13 19:01:58 Tofe: [20:34] <+Herrie> Does wired headset work? I don't remember Jun 13 19:03:25 Herrie: oh, sorry, missed the question Jun 13 19:03:40 one minute Jun 13 19:04:05 Tofe: No worries Jun 13 19:05:03 yup works Jun 13 19:09:04 Tofe: Ok great :) Jun 13 19:12:18 Tofe: It seems Apollo app stopped working after we migrated from QtWebKit to QtWebEngine. Might be some generic problem for other apps as well. You want me to send an IPK across? Jun 13 19:15:07 yes, please do Jun 13 19:18:31 Tofe: On it's way. Just install with Preware and you'll see what's wrong Jun 13 19:18:43 It basically hangs on splash Jun 13 19:26:53 ok Jun 13 19:31:21 On qtwebkit it would go further and complain it's not available in my country Jun 13 19:31:24 Tofe: What was the trick to fixing N4 audio so quickly? Jun 13 19:31:31 But that can be expected behavior Jun 13 19:31:43 elvispre: We had a patch that we needed before but that's now fixed upstream Jun 13 19:31:47 But we still applied it Jun 13 19:31:53 We just dropped it now Jun 13 19:32:53 "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'com.palm.properties.nduid' of null" Jun 13 19:33:29 Tofe which is strange Jun 13 19:33:42 yup. Let's debug that a bit. Jun 13 19:34:24 Because: luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.preferences/systemProperties/Get '{"key": "com.palm.properties.nduid"}' Jun 13 19:34:36 Works for me on qemux86 Jun 13 19:34:43 Maybe not on actual device, didn't check that Jun 13 19:35:40 And it will give me a nduid Jun 13 19:35:52 So first test would be to check luna-send on an actual device I guess Jun 13 19:36:32 This is the repo taking care of the call: https://github.com/webos-ports/luna-prefs/ Jun 13 19:40:39 that works on device too Jun 13 19:42:34 I guess it's some hookup to the call then Jun 13 19:43:04 Let me scan the Doctor of 3.0.5 for something obvious :) Jun 13 19:44:42 Call in Enyo is here: https://github.com/webOS-ports/enyo-1.0/blob/webOS-ports/master/framework/source/palm/services/PalmServices.js#l18 Jun 13 19:47:11 It could be the enyo-build.js error Jun 13 19:47:18 I've seen that before where it says it cannot load it Jun 13 19:47:20 Could be timing Jun 13 19:47:46 mmh I doubt it Jun 13 19:50:37 getSysPropResponse: {"returnValue":false,"errorText":"no such key"} Jun 13 19:55:06 Hmmz Jun 13 19:55:10 That's odd Jun 13 19:55:17 yes, quite so Jun 13 19:57:13 Especially since luna-send works Jun 13 19:59:41 Where is the PalmService implemented? Jun 13 20:00:05 found it Jun 13 20:23:57 Ah, I think I found the cause, partially: the app is using the public bus Jun 13 20:24:21 If we do luna-send -P, we get the same error Jun 13 20:24:43 question is, where did we say that this call was forbidden on the public bus? Jun 13 20:24:59 Tofe: That should be the ls2 roles Jun 13 20:25:12 well it's not forbidden, but it's treated differently Jun 13 20:25:36 Which should be https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-prefs/blob/webOS-ports/master/files/sysbus/com.palm.preferences.json.pub.in ? Jun 13 20:27:07 I'm thinking more of https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-prefs/blob/webOS-ports/master/luna-prefs-service/main.c#L969 Jun 13 20:27:10 Tofe: I seem to get somewhere with IMAccountValidator Jun 13 20:27:59 and then, we don't have any public properties: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-prefs/blob/webOS-ports/master/libluna-prefs/lunaprefs.c#L82 Jun 13 20:28:20 I don't even know the syntax :p Could you get that file from a Doctor? Jun 13 20:29:40 ah, nevermind, I got one Jun 13 20:30:00 it's a one-line file, with just... "com.palm.properties.nduid" Jun 13 20:31:45 ok, this gets rid of the error Jun 13 20:39:18 I don't get past the splashscreen, though Jun 13 20:39:32 but that might be because I've used opkg install, not preware Jun 13 20:40:01 (because preware couldn't read the archive, I don't know why but "/usr/bin/ar" tell me it's a malformed archive) Jun 13 20:40:41 Tofe; Hmmz Jun 13 20:40:43 That's odd Jun 13 20:47:10 Well, off to bed for me now :) Jun 13 20:47:18 gn8 Jun 13 20:52:25 Tofe: I'd day luna-prefs Jun 13 20:52:30 gn8 Jun 13 22:03:19 Good day anybody online here at the moment ? Jun 13 22:06:09 I'm online, but I probably can't answer your questions :P Jun 13 22:06:58 no worries i don't have questions . Jun 13 22:06:59 ;-) Jun 13 22:07:33 Im Oscar Sebastian from Bny Net (www.bnynet.com) we are bringing WebOS back to the market. Jun 13 22:08:19 we already talked to Verizon USA. And Banregio (Financial institution / Bank ) in Mexico. Jun 13 22:09:12 Banregio will be funding our business. Initial agreement with them is for $20MM USD . Jun 13 22:10:41 So i need developers team. i need to be able to show a demo. of what i have (payment process platform, app store, etc). by the end of this month. Jun 13 22:17:59 interesting Jun 13 22:18:11 I'm all for seeing WebOS make it back into phones Jun 13 22:18:50 especially on verizon :) Jun 13 22:19:04 Are you planning your own hardware? Jun 13 22:19:31 yes own hardware Jun 13 22:19:59 this is why i need some help installing and basically putting all together. Jun 13 22:21:18 part of the team so far is: Apsscore (www.appscore.com.au) , Counterpath (www.counterpath.com). And Phoenix International Communications Jun 13 22:21:32 oh wow, PIC is actually involved Jun 13 22:21:43 yes they are Jun 13 22:23:06 Are you able to help me spread the word. reach your contacts . i have meeting with Banregio by the end of the month. and also some other interested investors. Jun 13 22:24:04 I don't really have the connections you need. You might want to talk to Herrie, _morphis, or some of the more active members here. Jun 13 22:24:22 i see Jun 13 22:24:29 how do i get a hold of them ? Jun 13 22:25:30 This channel is probably the best place to do so. Jun 13 22:26:09 They're in here, just not currently active Jun 13 22:26:37 i see, so should i try later today ? Jun 13 22:27:05 later today might work, or for some people, earlier in the day tomorrow might be better. Jun 13 22:27:09 im not familiar with this chat. if i post something here can people read it after i close session ? Jun 13 22:27:27 They can if they were here when you sent the message Jun 13 22:27:34 i see. Jun 13 22:27:46 if you tag them with their names, their client will normally notify them Jun 13 22:27:59 so that they can take a look at it if they got a message while they are away Jun 13 22:28:08 and by tagging with their names, I just mean like this: Jun 13 22:28:16 Herrie: OSebastian wants to speak w/ you Jun 13 22:28:41 got it. Jun 13 22:29:09 ok well ill see if i can come online later today. if not i ll try tomorrow. Jun 13 22:29:18 alright, cool Jun 13 22:29:36 I gotta get going. Good luck! :) Jun 13 22:29:51 thanks Jun 13 22:30:00 have a good one. Jun 13 22:30:18 you too :) Jun 13 23:56:53 OSebastian, if you want to see what state LuneOS is in,you should probably get one of the supported device and follow the install directions. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 14 02:59:59 2016