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Mar 03 04:17:08 <DougReeder> Tofe, the API needed by web apps for the camera is getUserMedia() : https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/MediaDevices/getUserMedia
Mar 03 04:18:33 <DougReeder> The Enyo.Video and com.palm.mediad APIs would have almost no value.
Mar 03 05:45:12 <Herrie> DougReeder: I think Tofe was more wondering how all was hooked up on a technical level. I.e. between the API and the hardware.
Mar 03 05:45:26 <Herrie> But seems that he made solid progress in getting the camera work :D
Mar 03 06:03:38 <Herrie> Tofe: Added https://github.com/webOS-ports/luneos-qtvideo-node
Mar 03 06:24:20 <Tofe> Herrie: thanks
Mar 03 06:24:22 <Tofe> Morning
Mar 03 06:58:50 <Herrie> Tofe: morning
Mar 03 06:59:27 <Herrie> Tofe: We want to use this as main repo instead of fork of yours? Or you expect to get more stuff from Ubuntu for this going forward?
Mar 03 08:02:05 <Tofe> Herrie: no no, let's use webOS-ports of course, I just wanted to push my changes somewhere :)
Mar 03 08:05:20 <Tofe> I'll change the PR accordingly
Mar 03 08:07:13 <Herrie|Pre3> Tofe: Can you update the meta-webos-ports to reflect the changed repo?
Mar 03 08:24:09 <Tofe> yup
Mar 03 08:37:02 <Tofe> morphis: so I don't know if you followed, but now I have a working qml camera app; the mistake was that I didn't install qtvideo-node, so of course there was a piece missing
Mar 03 08:55:22 <morphis> Tofe: sorry, just saw your messages :-)
Mar 03 08:55:25 <morphis> Tofe: sounds good
Mar 03 08:55:31 <morphis> so camera inside QML is fully working?
Mar 03 08:56:41 <Tofe> Herrie|Pre3: done
Mar 03 08:57:19 <Tofe> morphis: yes, in the sense I see the video stream, and I can select the input camera; but I didn't try other capabilities yet
Mar 03 08:57:39 <morphis> ok
Mar 03 08:57:40 <Tofe> morphis: and it is rotated 90°, but it seems to be a very common issue :)
Mar 03 08:57:53 <morphis> yeah that depends on the hardware and HAL afaik
Mar 03 08:59:01 <Tofe> morphis: all this is on Android 5.1.1, for the moment. At least that validates partially your Ubuntu packages on this level ;)
Mar 03 09:01:51 <morphis> Tofe: nice
Mar 03 09:02:05 <morphis> Tofe: btw. how much are you interested in having support for snaps on LuneOS?
Mar 03 09:17:37 <Herrie|Pre3> morphis: Very :P
Mar 03 09:17:55 <morphis> https://github.com/morphis/meta-snappy
Mar 03 09:17:55 <Herrie|Pre3> What is the minimum version requirement kernel wise?
Mar 03 09:18:21 <morphis> Herrie|Pre3: 3.10
Mar 03 09:18:32 <morphis> however for 3.4 just one feature is missing
Mar 03 09:22:09 <Herrie|Pre3> morphis: Ok. Because looks like we might need to update Maguro & TP to 3.4 because of glibc
Mar 03 09:22:30 <morphis> because of glibc?
Mar 03 09:23:20 <Herrie|Pre3> morphis: Yeah glibc 2.24 has 3.2+ kernel requirement for arm based targets :s
Mar 03 09:23:31 <morphis> ah
Mar 03 09:23:34 <morphis> sad
Mar 03 09:27:58 <Herrie|Pre3> Yeah
Mar 03 09:28:16 <Herrie|Pre3> For x86 you can force it down to 2.6, but not for ARM
Mar 03 09:40:25 <Tofe> morphis: you're using a 3.10 kernel for N4 and N5 already, for ubuntu touch?
Mar 03 09:41:13 <morphis> no w don't
Mar 03 09:41:55 <Tofe> Because, well, I guess you support snaps :)
Mar 03 09:42:04 <Herrie|Pre3> morphis: So you added the "hack" to get snaps working?
Mar 03 09:42:25 <Herrie|Pre3> The **box snap needs 3.10 too or could work on 3.4?
Mar 03 09:42:25 <morphis> Tofe: on Ubuntu Touch we don't
Mar 03 09:42:53 <morphis> Herrie|Pre3: that one can work without a snap on runs on 3.4
Mar 03 09:43:06 <morphis> a lot confinement is missing then though
Mar 03 09:43:27 <Herrie|Pre3> confinnement?
Mar 03 09:43:58 <morphis> **box is meant to run in an unprivileged lxc container which basically means its a container running with another user than root
Mar 03 09:44:18 <morphis> which reduces the the security problems you may get when something breaks out of the container
Mar 03 09:44:29 <Tofe> yup
Mar 03 09:44:45 <morphis> that is not possible until 3.13 or better 3.18
Mar 03 09:45:20 <morphis> but I've added a --privileged option which allows running **box as root which is a lot less secure
Mar 03 09:46:24 <morphis> Herrie|Pre3: but back to your questions around snaps and Ubuntu Touch, the next thing will be a rework of Ubuntu Touch which uses snaps from the bottom up
Mar 03 09:46:33 <morphis> called all-snaps system or Ubuntu Core
Mar 03 09:46:48 <morphis> https://www.ubuntu.com/core
Mar 03 09:46:52 <Tofe> looks like quite some work
Mar 03 09:47:22 <morphis> yeah but makes your system much more secure and easier to update
Mar 03 09:47:54 <Tofe> yes, for sure :)
Mar 03 09:48:56 <morphis> but just having snaps, even unconfined, on LuneOS would be interesting
Mar 03 09:49:18 <morphis> and would give some apps out-of-the-box like all Ubuntu Touch apps are getting pushed as snaps etc.
Mar 03 09:49:43 <morphis> and as long as the Qt part ships a wayland backend that should work on LuneOS
Mar 03 09:50:00 <Tofe> morphis: true
Mar 03 09:51:06 <Tofe> morphis: are you going to use QtQuickControls2 ? I've made some work for having a webOS-like theme for this, works pretty well
Mar 03 09:52:35 <Tofe> (thinking of it, I'm pretty sure you actually use it already)
Mar 03 09:52:56 <morphis> Tofe: I think there is a move to use it as a base
Mar 03 09:57:38 <Tofe> morphis: you think snaps packages would work that easily ? What about the various bits about the platform integration ? multimedia hub, preferences, default locations...
Mar 03 10:03:26 <morphis> multimedia-hub for example is abstracted through Qt and most other things too
Mar 03 10:03:49 <morphis> I agree there are still problems like for what you're doing with the camera
Mar 03 10:06:37 <Tofe> Well see, it's not like we're going to implement that today
Mar 03 10:12:07 <morphis> no, but something to think about
Mar 03 10:12:14 <morphis> as any snap is meant to run cross-distro
Mar 03 10:16:38 <Tofe> I'll need to read some documentation about this, I'm not really well aware of how this works; same for flatpak too...
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