**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 11 03:00:05 2017 Apr 11 05:37:49 morphis, ping? Apr 11 06:44:43 ka6sox: pong Apr 11 07:07:51 Morning! Apr 11 12:50:08 Hello! Apr 11 12:51:45 Is LuneOS a part of the recent efforts by Plasma Mobile, Sailfish OS, and UBports to rebase on a common system? Apr 11 12:55:35 Hi Apr 11 12:56:12 RHeilffordd51 Apr 11 12:56:24 sorry, silly windows.. Apr 11 12:56:28 ... Apr 11 12:57:15 linux_unix-10_: Not that I know of; but frankly, I would recommend putting the discussion on IRC, where most of these projects are already active Apr 11 12:57:43 Tofe: Very good point! Apr 11 12:58:51 Besides using Wayland and libhybris, what else does LuneOS have in common with the rest? Apr 11 12:59:09 Qt, systemd, glibc Apr 11 12:59:55 Maliit perhaps Apr 11 13:00:28 and pretty much all the little things that are in between, more or less patched Apr 11 13:01:01 What about package management? SfOS uses RPMs while both UT and PM use .deb; however, UT also uses clicks/snaps. Apr 11 13:01:13 ... and we use ipks Apr 11 13:01:39 That, and the build system, won't change easily Apr 11 13:01:57 It seems that the only real differentiatior is in packaging. Apr 11 13:02:20 For the base of these systems, yes, it's very much like distros Apr 11 13:03:02 Awesome. Apr 11 13:03:05 :D Apr 11 13:03:16 It makes sense: why would we reinvent something that already exists and works, and provide no real added value for the goal of the project Apr 11 13:03:25 +would Apr 11 13:03:37 *cough* Canonical *cough* Apr 11 13:03:56 ;) Apr 11 13:04:01 XD Apr 11 13:04:21 Could LuneOS join in the effort? Apr 11 13:05:01 It would really depend on what the effort is; it's still not very clear to me Apr 11 13:05:44 We have a very, very limited manpower resource, so we always have to take into account Apr 11 13:06:23 (and using OpenEmbedded works very well, so far) Apr 11 13:06:28 On the other hand, much of the work would be lessened if a common base was used. Apr 11 13:06:42 Last I checked, Sailfish OS also uses that. Apr 11 13:07:06 From our point of view, the common base is OpenEmbedded, which does the majority of the packaging effort Apr 11 13:07:21 isn't Sailfix OS using OBS? Apr 11 13:07:29 JaMa: I think so too Apr 11 13:07:48 https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Open_Build_Service Apr 11 13:08:37 I was talking with some guys form Sailfish/Jolla and they weren't interested in switching to OE, they said that OBS works fine for them Apr 11 13:09:04 JaMa: I understand that; the porting effort probably isn't worth it Apr 11 13:09:26 me too, if they are happy with current build system Apr 11 13:09:42 it was some 2 years ago, but I doubt it changed since then Apr 11 13:10:10 I thought they used OpenEmbedded for the Mer core. Apr 11 13:10:32 For Mer, I don't know, but OBS was already used in the Meego time Apr 11 13:10:56 So I guess Mer and Jolla simply continued on that base Apr 11 13:11:18 How much effort would it take to switch LuneOS to OBS? Apr 11 13:12:44 Simply said, I'd say "a lot" Apr 11 13:13:27 But on our side, everything is available and open. If someone wants to step up and try it, well, good luck Apr 11 13:13:36 What about using jenkins like UT and PM? Apr 11 13:14:24 we're using jenkins since the beginning Apr 11 13:14:40 but that doesn't share anything with UT/PM Apr 11 13:17:05 Oh, Well, I got that from bshah when I asked him what build system they and UT use. Apr 11 13:20:06 Anyhow, it doesn't seem to matter whether OBS, OpenEmbedded, or whatever UT and PM use. Apr 11 13:20:42 As long as the component are similar/the same, an OS can join. Apr 11 13:25:23 Well, it necessarily matters, for example if the chosen build system if bitbake + OpenEmbedded, then we're already integrated ;) Apr 11 13:25:28 is* Apr 11 13:26:25 (note that OpenEmbedded has already proven to be flexible enough to handle several distros on the same build system) Apr 11 14:52:41 Tofe, Herrie: https://t.me/halium is really something you guys will be interested in Apr 11 14:52:48 "This is a working group for driving for a common base for all libhybris based mobile OSs." Apr 11 14:58:31 morphis: yes, I just wonder why it's located on Telegram, when everyone is on IRC... Apr 11 14:58:48 Tofe: :-) Apr 11 15:00:27 morphis: that's related to what we discussed just earlier with linux_unix-10, I don't know if you read it Apr 11 15:01:01 let me read Apr 11 15:02:45 Tofe: seems to relate Apr 11 15:03:01 morphis: Here you go https://pastebin.com/ZhcSxbWR Apr 11 15:03:43 linux_unix-10_: there are multiple levels of complexity but I am happy that someone started this effort now Apr 11 15:03:50 its a longer overdue thing Apr 11 15:04:15 Definitely. Apr 11 15:06:32 I think what was holding this back was Canonical's use of Mir in UT. Now that UT and Unity are under UBports with plans of migrating to Wayland, there's nothing preventing it from happening. Apr 11 15:06:42 For now. Apr 11 15:27:58 linux_unix-10_: I wouldn't say that Mir was holding back anything, the unite should really matter if wayland or mir is used Apr 11 15:28:23 everyone will still have their own UI so irrelevant if they use Mir or Wayland as long as the libhybris base is the same Apr 11 15:28:28 which it is already today Apr 11 15:29:02 Last I checked, the planned common base includes Wayland. Apr 11 15:29:19 if it does fine, but that doesn't matter if you want to use mir or not Apr 11 15:29:45 Ok. Apr 11 15:30:43 Mir did divide the community on certain matters, though. It's not the main cause, but a contributor. Apr 11 16:07:30 For anyone interested in Halium, the common base planned for SfOS, PM, and UT, here's an image (from JBB) showing its components. Apr 11 16:07:33 http://imgload.org/images/halium_architecture.svg55d72.png Apr 11 16:35:41 Tofe, Herrie: https://mm.gravedo.de/blog/posts/2017-04-10-introducing-anbox/ Apr 11 16:41:54 wow Apr 11 16:45:35 fwiw, there is a broken link on anbox.io about installer script Apr 11 16:47:55 nizovn: hm, let me fix that Apr 11 16:49:28 nizovn: should be fixed now Apr 11 16:55:49 morphis: is there sound support too? Apr 11 16:56:04 nizovn: yes Apr 11 16:56:18 nice :) Apr 11 16:56:19 nizovn: it has a delay as the transport is not well suited for this but it works :-) Apr 11 16:56:31 nizovn: listening to spotify works like a charm Apr 11 17:20:18 morphis: i'm just have to say it's unbelievable amount of great work...! Apr 11 17:23:21 nizovn: thanks! Apr 11 17:36:27 morphis, is it only modules that prevent running it on non-Ubuntu? Apr 11 17:37:04 NotKit: a bit, and the way to distribute the software Apr 11 17:37:22 NotKit: https://github.com/anbox/anbox/tree/master/kernel Apr 11 17:37:33 that are the modules and their source if you want to build them on your own Apr 11 17:37:36 already built on Arch Apr 11 18:02:46 morphis: nice! good to see you were busy :) Apr 11 18:02:58 JaMa: thanks :-) Apr 11 18:10:16 does it want AppArmor? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 12 03:00:01 2017