**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 03 03:00:01 2017 May 03 06:22:36 Morning! May 03 06:49:27 Morning! May 03 16:46:55 Herrie|2: actually, it seems to be a permission issue: qml: getPreferencesSuccess : {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Not permitted to send to com.palm.systemservice."} May 03 16:48:34 hmm. any way to identify which nexus 7 is which, when you don't have hands on? got an offer to purchase a 16gb for $40 or 32gb for $60, but they don't say which one it is May 03 16:49:09 no serial, or codename, anything? May 03 16:50:39 http://www.decluttr.com/us/store/products/google-nexus-7-16gb May 03 16:52:37 oh, there's a manufacturer part number in the tech specs.. 90NK0091-M00010 for the 32gb.. NEXUS7 ASUS-2B16 for the 16 May 03 16:52:48 it's a 2013 May 03 16:53:15 800 x 1280 is 2012's screen, here you have a 1200 x 1920, which is the one of 2013 May 03 16:54:07 aha, ok that's a quick way to tell. thanks May 03 16:54:44 and i take it there's something radically different that prevents the 2013 from being used ? May 03 16:55:40 not the same GPU, if I remember well, but I don't remember why we don't support 2013 May 03 16:55:56 maybe it never really came in the discussion May 03 16:56:38 yeah different cpu/gpu .. May 03 16:58:06 looks like there were CM14 builds for the 2013 7 shortly before CM died May 03 16:59:53 so.. assuming that nothing further terrifying and/or time sucking occurs in my life in the near future.. i've managed to get myself some time for doing things outside of work May 03 17:00:12 and i've found my box of touchpads and other devices that i wanted to mess with May 03 17:00:23 :) that great May 03 17:00:27 that's May 03 17:01:10 the downside of this, is the reason why i will have spare time is because the other half broke her leg, and therefore will not be doing very much with her roller derby team this spring/summer May 03 17:01:36 so i will not be required to show up at every one of their events May 03 17:01:59 well, that's some kind of compromise May 03 17:02:25 and the eldest child is graduating out of junior roller derby, into adult roller derby, so she won't have any more practices with the junior team after a couple of weeks, until she gets into the adult team in the fall May 03 17:05:07 SO, I've still got a broken-display N5 to convert to webOS, I've got a GNex I can convert, I've got a pile of TouchPads ... and I think that's about it May 03 17:05:41 before I can do the N5, I need to figure out if it's possible to get an app installed on it that isn't available in the store, to another device May 03 17:05:53 since i can't seem to figure out how to get the app from the original source anymore May 03 17:06:35 ah, yes, that could be tricky, it's old stuff and old sources May 03 17:07:34 is it possible to transfer an app from one identical android device to another i wonder May 03 17:08:33 you mean an android app? May 03 17:08:40 yea May 03 17:08:47 I actually don't know May 03 17:12:37 do you know where I can find documentation about LS2 permission overview? May 03 17:15:54 umm.. if i remember correctly, luneos has the classic webos permissions, so there's not a whole lot to know there .. but i don't remember even what that is right off .. something about there being an incoming and outgoing permissions.. and most everyone just used "*" May 03 17:19:36 yes, it looks like everyone can contact "com.palm.systemservice" (from the look of the corresponding json file), but then why is the poor org.webosports.app.firstuse not allowed, that's a mystery... May 03 17:20:08 might have to look at the code for what's providing com.palm.systemservice May 03 17:21:00 if that's still running as a shade of luna-sysmgr, perhaps there's some internal checking of what's trying to access it May 03 17:21:45 could be; but it does work on our current stable release, so why would updating OE break it... May 03 17:22:01 (and break only that one!) May 03 17:24:57 ... well, i would guess that that is far stranger something that i'd have to have at least a broken build to look at May 03 17:43:44 Tofe: I've seen this before :S May 03 17:43:51 so.. my intent is to dig out the ol' IBM build machine that I was using before, when i was getting into LuneOS, and get it setup to auto-build and auto-deploy to my things, at least including TouchPad and Gnex, if not also N5 .. May 03 17:44:11 EricBlade: We might be killing the Gnex support soon May 03 17:44:28 New systemd and glibc want kernel 3.2+ and latest Maguro we could find was 3.0 May 03 17:44:35 Other targets have 3.4 kernel May 03 17:44:40 TP at 3.0 but has 3.4 available too May 03 17:44:48 So we plan to port TP from 3.0 to 3.4 May 03 17:51:00 Tofe: What I can think of is that the JSON schema got invalid somehow with some update of C++ parts May 03 17:51:03 We had this before May 03 17:53:28 Seems files are in /usr/share/ls/roles/pub and prv May 03 17:53:33 yes May 03 17:53:38 looks good to me... May 03 17:53:40 You can try manually running configurator May 03 17:53:56 it didn't complain; also, that's not about the db May 03 17:54:03 In /usr/sbin/configurator May 03 18:05:16 Tofe: It might have something to do with systemd startup order somehow May 03 18:05:27 Might be good to compare krogoth with pyro May 03 18:07:22 Tofe: I had this one a while ago: http://issues.webos-ports.org/attachments/151/startup_order.svg May 03 18:07:26 But that's old too May 03 18:07:58 systemd-analyze plot should help with this May 03 18:08:02 https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-analyze.html May 03 18:13:04 Let me pull it from working Krogoth May 03 18:23:23 Tofe: This is Krogoth on Mako on First Boot: http://vve-goudenleeuw.nl/startup.svg May 03 18:24:47 It might be something with ls-hubd_private.service, ls-hubd_public.service or luna-sysservice.service order for example May 03 18:25:51 Created with systemd-analyze plot > /media/internal/startup.svg May 03 18:28:48 JaMa: I'm getting this with my Pyro qemux86 with latest updates: https://bpaste.net/show/3d3c49ba75ee May 03 18:28:50 Any ideas? May 03 18:29:08 I tried to do -c cleanall for the 3 packages but no luck May 03 18:33:49 Herrie: I haven't seen this one myself, did you do some major upgrades in host OS recently? May 03 18:34:22 3 packages? I see 2 native recipes failing May 03 18:35:05 and have you tried to turn it off (rm -rf tmp-glibc) and turn it on? May 03 19:03:59 JaMa: No my regular build machine :S May 03 19:04:04 JaMa: Let me try that May 03 20:02:37 so.. before i had to go do things away from my PC.. i was talking about what i want to do, if LuneOS would find it helpful. i want to setup my own builder to build/deploy automatically to my devices. and then work out how to get it to run on bare Intel hardware. and then figure out what would be a good modern porting target. May 03 20:02:42 and work that out. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 04 03:00:03 2017