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Dec 21 08:21:02 <JaMa> Tofe: http://build.webos-ports.org/luneos-unstable-sumo/images/tissot/ should contain the kernel fix, if you have any time to test it (for some reason I cannot boot twrp on my tissot now) I'm finishing local build with Thud for tissot to see if it boots as well
Dec 21 09:34:25 <elvispre|s> JaMa: I tested the unstable sumo build yesterday.
Dec 21 09:35:15 <elvispre|s> "It boots but I get a blank, black screen."
Dec 21 09:36:08 <elvispre|s> "adb shell works. ps -ef suggests that the android subsystem is failing to init properly."
Dec 21 09:47:07 <JaMa> elvispre|s: ah, thanks
Dec 21 10:47:14 <Herrie|Laptop> JaMa: I'm looking to put together a new builder @ home. Any suggestions for the amount of RAM to put?
Dec 21 10:47:23 <Herrie|Laptop> 64? 128?
Dec 21 10:47:26 <Herrie|Laptop> Or the more the better?
Dec 21 11:40:25 <JaMa> how many cores do you have?
Dec 21 11:40:56 <JaMa> need to go shopping, tty later (but I plan to put together new builder as well)
Dec 21 11:43:05 <Herrie|Laptop> JaMa: Looking for a 32 core/64 thread Threadripper :P
Dec 21 11:43:20 <Herrie|Laptop> So I guess 128 could work :P ?
Dec 21 11:44:49 <Herrie|Laptop> To replace my current PC and separate builder
Dec 21 12:15:11 <Herrie|Laptop> I guess I don't want to see the power bill but well :P
Dec 21 12:59:03 <elvispre|s> Herrie|Laptop: The builder I set up earlier in the year has 12 cores -> 24 lines of execution.
Dec 21 12:59:30 <Herrie|Laptop> elvispre: Intel or AMD and how much RAM? How long a clean build takes?
Dec 21 13:00:05 <elvispre|s> Initially, I could not think of a reason to have more than 16 GB of RAM but parallel builds of qt recipes blew that out of the water.
Dec 21 13:00:38 <elvispre|s> Now I have 48 GB and I have not seen it allocating more than a little more than 32 GB so that seems to be enough.
Dec 21 13:01:29 <elvispre|s> This is an Intel Core i9. (I forget the model name, but it is the 12 core one available around February this year.)
Dec 21 13:01:37 <Herrie|Laptop> elvispre|s: Well I have a X6 1055 from 2018 with 8GB of RAM
Dec 21 13:01:43 <Herrie|Laptop> So that could use an upgrade ;)
Dec 21 13:02:12 <elvispre|s> 2018?
Dec 21 13:02:29 <Herrie|Laptop> 2010
Dec 21 13:02:30 <Herrie|Laptop> LOL
Dec 21 13:02:33 <elvispre|s> :)
Dec 21 13:02:51 <Herrie|Laptop> It really takes a couple of hrs for a full build ;)
Dec 21 13:02:53 <Herrie|Laptop> And it overheats
Dec 21 13:02:57 <Herrie|Laptop> So time for something new
Dec 21 13:03:04 <Herrie|Laptop> Got 2x 500GB SSD in it which I'll move ;)
Dec 21 13:03:42 <elvispre|s> Parallel builds with SSD rally do make a difference.
Dec 21 13:03:52 <elvispre|s> s/rally/really
Dec 21 13:04:59 <Herrie|Laptop> Bottleneck with my is CPU, overheating & RAM
Dec 21 13:05:12 <Herrie|Laptop> It's a MiniITX system, so it's nice and small though
Dec 21 13:06:42 <elvispre|s> Our CI system at work is memory constrained as well. It always has CPU cores to spare but memory close to maximum.
Dec 21 13:10:30 <Herrie|Laptop> Doubting a bit between a µATX and ATX size
Dec 21 13:10:46 <Herrie|Laptop> µATX is limited to 64GB because of 4 slots, the ATX has 8 memory slots ;)
Dec 21 13:12:15 <elvispre|s> My system is an ATX but it's in a huge case so I don't have that constraint.
Dec 21 13:12:44 <Herrie|Laptop> Well I probably need a new case too but well ;) Don't want a huge one like I have now ;)
Dec 21 13:16:38 <elvispre|s> Herrie|Laptop: Oh, and a clean build on my system takes just over two hours. (I reckon I could bring it down just under with some motherboard tweaks.)
Dec 21 13:17:13 <Herrie|Laptop> OK :) Well if I'd have 32 cores/64 threads and sufficient memory it should be quick :P
Dec 21 13:17:18 <elvispre|s> qtwebengine still blocks everything for 45-50 minutes by itself.
Dec 21 13:17:26 <Herrie|Laptop> Though the webengine/chromium always will take forever of course
Dec 21 16:08:34 <Tofe> JaMa: I'll give it a try too
Dec 21 16:50:18 <JaMa> Herrie|Laptop: with 32C/64T I think 64GB is enough for now, with 8 slots on MB you can buy 4 more sticks later
Dec 21 16:50:50 <JaMa> Herrie|Laptop: 128G quad channel is quite expensive now and possible upgrade to 256G later would be a bit overkill for such system
Dec 21 16:51:50 <Herrie|Laptop> JaMa: Seems for Threadripper the limit is currently 16GB/module with current mainboards on the market. Either technical or BIOS limitation I didn't figure out yet
Dec 21 16:51:57 <Herrie|Laptop> But yes, memory is quite expensive
Dec 21 16:52:03 <JaMa> 2990WX seems like a good choice, but quite expensive as well :)
Dec 21 16:52:54 <JaMa> I was thinking about dual socket board with 2 epics, but there aren't many boards with dual amd (and plenty with dual intel)
Dec 21 16:54:12 <JaMa> the problem for me is that even with 40K USD server the full builds still take quite long, so it never will be just interactive iterative build
Dec 21 16:54:41 <JaMa> and if it takes more than an hour, then it doesn't matter so much if it's 1:05 or 1:35
Dec 21 16:57:19 <JaMa> I was looking at something like this
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Dec 21 16:57:35 <JaMa> hmm let me shorten it :)
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Dec 21 17:22:58 <Herrie|Laptop> JaMa: I had another budget in mind :P
Dec 21 17:28:15 <Herrie|Laptop> EUR 4-5K would be my max
Dec 21 17:29:19 <Herrie|Laptop> I'll reuse SSD and HDD I have in general
Dec 21 17:29:36 <Herrie|Laptop> Need new case, PSU, MoBo, memory and CPU
Dec 21 17:29:45 <Herrie|Laptop> Videocard I have is old, but I don't do any gaming
Dec 21 17:29:54 <Herrie|Laptop> So I would be fine with even on-board but thye don't have those
Dec 21 20:39:01 <Tofe> JaMa: root fs seems to be read-only? there should be a ".writable-image" in our rootfs's root dir, iirc
Dec 21 20:41:44 <Tofe> ah, no, sorry it's there
Dec 21 20:43:53 <Tofe> https://bpaste.net/show/ec2cb1d499b8 here's my journal
Dec 21 21:10:17 <JaMa> Dec 20 11:20:38 tissot /halium-boot.sh: line 241: dumpe2fs: command not found
Dec 21 21:10:37 <JaMa> can you check if dumpe2fs was in pyro image?
Dec 21 21:12:58 <JaMa> no space in /dev also looks suspicious Dec 20 11:20:54 tissot init: couldn't write 15 to /dev/cpuset/system-background/tasks: No space left on device
Dec 21 22:02:41 <elvispre|s> JaMa: Both of those messages are normal and harmless, I think.
Dec 21 22:03:27 <elvispre|s> dumpefs is indeed missing from the Halium image but its only for checking a partition size we don't need to change anyway.
Dec 21 22:06:28 <elvispre|s> The cpuset one happens due to a bad device name (I forget the precise detail) but it is only for configuring cpu groups (for performance tuning, I think).
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