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Jan 31 08:12:18 <Herrie> Morning!
Jan 31 14:34:19 <hugoroyd> Hello :)
Jan 31 14:34:19 <hugoroyd> Trying to install Lune OS on a Touchpad. I got a build image from Herrie (thanks!) but I can't get it to boot: i just get a black screen and after some time it just shut downs
Jan 31 14:34:52 <hugoroyd> I have tried to build it myself too, but i keep running out of space (even with deleting the tmp-glibc directory etc.)
Jan 31 14:35:23 <hugoroyd> any tips welcome, or maybe a newer/different build for tenderloin appreciated :)
Jan 31 14:36:04 <codepoet> ya, there was a bad build out there.
Jan 31 14:36:06 <codepoet> hold on...
Jan 31 14:36:58 <codepoet> go here: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luneos-testing/releases/tag/20220125-LuneOS-Testing-Builds
Jan 31 14:37:06 <codepoet> grab luneos-dev-image-tenderloin-20220125.rootfs.tar.gz
Jan 31 14:37:18 <codepoet> and uImage-tenderloin-20220125
Jan 31 14:37:22 <hugoroyd> brilliant
Jan 31 14:37:27 <hugoroyd> i didn't see this release page before
Jan 31 14:38:13 <codepoet> See the instructions here to just overwrite/update what you already installed: https://webos-ports.org/wiki/Install_LuneOS_for_Tenderloin#Installing_a_newer_or_different_image
Jan 31 14:38:55 <hugoroyd> even if it never bootedbefore?
Jan 31 14:39:07 <codepoet> yup, you'll just have to get back into webOS to effect repairs
Jan 31 14:39:09 <hugoroyd> i mean the previous luneos image
Jan 31 14:39:15 <hugoroyd> perfect
Jan 31 14:39:18 <hugoroyd> let me try now ;):
Jan 31 14:45:21 <hugoroyd> strange i can't run novaterm i get
Jan 31 14:45:29 <hugoroyd> failed to connect to server
Jan 31 14:46:00 <hugoroyd> i'm probably forgetting something .. .
Jan 31 14:49:41 <hugoroyd> OK got it
Jan 31 15:00:01 <hugoroyd> ok now shutting down the touchpad
Jan 31 15:00:23 <codepoet> fingers crossed
Jan 31 15:01:32 <edgarvincent[m]> ^^
Jan 31 15:01:39 <hugoroyd> so far I get the same thing :) meaning one second of blue/green stripes followed by a black screen :)
Jan 31 15:03:56 <hugoroyd> and the screen has now turned off and on
Jan 31 15:04:05 <hugoroyd> yeah
Jan 31 15:04:12 <hugoroyd> it ='s booted into the lune us ble logo
Jan 31 15:04:18 <hugoroyd> wohoo
Jan 31 15:04:31 <hugoroyd> i feel like i'm 20 years old again
Jan 31 15:04:45 <codepoet> ya, all boots take awhile, but especially the first
Jan 31 15:06:16 <hugoroyd> I get a no wifi support message :)
Jan 31 15:12:19 <codepoet> fixable!
Jan 31 15:12:46 <codepoet> https://forums.webosnation.com/luneos/332829-building-luneos.html#post3457972
Jan 31 15:20:34 <hugoroyd> thanks codepoet it works
Jan 31 15:22:52 <codepoet> awesome. all thanks go to @herrie. My builds are shaky at best!
Jan 31 15:23:20 <codepoet> there's some important fixes coming that he's working on, that should make more apps run -- including App Museum II
Jan 31 15:25:42 <hugoroyd> actually i spoke too early it seems
Jan 31 15:25:50 <hugoroyd> i am able to list wifi networks
Jan 31 15:25:53 <hugoroyd> but not connecting to one
Jan 31 15:27:45 <codepoet> hm, i haven't had that issue. what kind of wifi, and what kind of security?
Jan 31 15:30:06 <hugoroyd> WPA2
Jan 31 15:30:16 <hugoroyd> 2.4GhZ
Jan 31 15:31:06 <hugoroyd> ok, after many tries and a reboot
Jan 31 15:31:15 <hugoroyd> it finally got me a password prompt :)
Jan 31 15:31:58 <codepoet> ok good, ya that network should work!
Jan 31 15:34:26 <hugoroyd> it does not seem to have connected through
Jan 31 15:34:32 <hugoroyd> and now the wifi app does not show any network ata ll
Jan 31 15:44:24 <codepoet> i haven't had that, sorry!
Jan 31 15:44:31 <codepoet> maybe a hardware problem?
Jan 31 15:47:55 <codepoet> does webOS have any trouble with the network?
Jan 31 15:51:01 <hugoroyd> after back and forth and another reboot
Jan 31 15:51:07 <hugoroyd> this time i got it to ocnnect
Jan 31 15:51:18 <hugoroyd> no issue with webos
Jan 31 15:51:33 <hugoroyd> for getting on a wifi network i mean :) so beside all issues with webos ^^
Jan 31 15:52:03 <hugoroyd> any tips to improve performance on the touchpad?
Jan 31 15:52:58 <codepoet> ya, its kinda slow :-(
Jan 31 15:53:08 <codepoet> no, i haven't found any yet. been focused on app compat
Jan 31 15:53:31 <hugoroyd> is it possible to use the physical home button instead of the screen button?
Jan 31 15:53:46 <codepoet> not currently
Jan 31 15:53:54 <hugoroyd> ok
Jan 31 15:56:11 <hugoroyd> it seems that luneos crashes anytime i try to close an app using the swap gesture
Jan 31 15:57:05 <codepoet> ya, this is a test build, not a stable build. its pretty crashy right now
Jan 31 15:57:22 <hugoroyd> ok just wanted to check if this one was a known isuse :)
Jan 31 15:57:54 <codepoet> for stability, you might want to look at the previous release https://pivotce.com/2018/11/28/luneos-november-stable-release-doppio/
Jan 31 15:58:15 <codepoet> hold on, here's how to get more info...
Jan 31 15:58:55 <codepoet> with your Touchpad plugged into a computer that has ADB installed (the Google Android Device tools)
Jan 31 15:59:05 <codepoet> log in with: adb shell
Jan 31 15:59:11 <hugoroyd> i tried but couldn't get my hands on stable builds :)
Jan 31 15:59:20 <codepoet> then run: journalctl -f -l -u luna-webappmanager
Jan 31 15:59:41 <codepoet> then as you do stuff on the tablet, if you see a crash, check the log messages to see if there's a specific error
Jan 31 16:00:05 <codepoet> if you can reproduce reliably and narrow down a set of related messages, file an issue here: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luneos-testing
Jan 31 16:00:19 <codepoet> Then, go to LinkedIn and add "QA Engineer" to your experience ;-)
Jan 31 16:03:03 <hugoroyd> thanks i got the journal 
Jan 31 16:03:12 <hugoroyd> but of course when itried to reproduce, it didn't crash this time XD
Jan 31 16:03:40 <hugoroyd> haha
Jan 31 16:03:48 <hugoroyd> that sure will be very useful in my line of work
Jan 31 16:05:07 <hugoroyd> well at least the lune os web browser seems to be able to browse the modern web 
Jan 31 16:05:26 <hugoroyd> tha'ts a huge step up from webos
Jan 31 16:05:35 <codepoet> agreed!
Jan 31 16:05:51 <codepoet> however, you can get a lot more of the modern web on webOS with a little work
Jan 31 16:06:00 <hugoroyd> oh yeah?
Jan 31 16:06:34 <codepoet> you can use a proxy for HTTPS in the stock browser -- still limited by its outdated rendering capabilities, but proxying HTTPS makes a lot more possible
Jan 31 16:07:17 <hugoroyd> yeah i've done that but unfortunately even bypassing the HTTPS issues, it was really difficult
Jan 31 16:07:24 <codepoet> you can also run a new browser -- its a little slow to start and doesn't integrate with the rest of the OS (no clipboard, etc...) but its a pretty good upgrade
Jan 31 16:07:30 <hugoroyd> even for the quite limited range of my use case aka the kitchen
Jan 31 16:07:32 <hugoroyd> :)
Jan 31 16:07:56 <codepoet> https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/331764-tp-qupzilla.html
Jan 31 16:09:43 <codepoet> i get most of my web through RSS, so I use FeedSpider on my webOS Touchpads :)
Jan 31 16:12:40 <hugoroyd> thanks, wil try
Jan 31 17:32:03 <hugoroyd> Qt WebBrowser works well :)
Jan 31 17:54:08 <codepoet> :)
Jan 31 17:55:01 <codepoet> all hail nizovn!
Jan 31 17:56:20 <hugoroyd> codepoet: http://appcatalog.webosarchive.com/showMuseumDetails.php?search=metube&app=1005774 nice :)
Jan 31 17:57:14 <codepoet> it does the job -- most of the time!
Jan 31 19:02:33 <hugoroyd> codepoet: http://www.webosarchive.com is a gold mine
Jan 31 19:02:37 <hugoroyd> thank you!
Feb 01 00:03:52 <Herrie> Ooh quite some activity here earlier
Feb 01 00:04:02 <Herrie> I was away for a bit, so only managed to catch up now
Feb 01 00:04:16 <Herrie> codeport: You had some chance to toy with the new emulator image?
Feb 01 00:06:06 <codepoet> did you release another one since the 20220125 image?
Feb 01 00:06:41 <codepoet> ah yes, I see it now. sorry I missed that release. I will test tomorrow!
Feb 01 00:07:25 <codepoet> thank you for working on that
Feb 01 00:14:09 <Herrie> It still requires the systemd service to be restarted manually, but I the whole install, remove and update cycle seems to work for me
Feb 01 00:14:37 <Herrie> Still need to add the rescan step for ApplicationManager, because in OSE that's done differently it seems
Feb 01 00:14:55 <Herrie> Shouldn't be rocket science really, just when I touch C++ stuff I break things ;)
Feb 01 00:22:54 <codepoet> excellent! i can handle cycling a service and doing a re-scan for now until Tofe can look at the rest
Feb 01 00:23:03 <codepoet> i'll let ya know how it goes!
Feb 01 00:27:06 <Herrie> Great, I'm still looking into other bits. Preware should be close to OK too, but need some input from Tofe there too
Feb 01 00:27:12 <Herrie> My feeling says it's 90% there
Feb 01 00:27:20 <Herrie> Just some minor tweaks still
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