**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 02 02:59:56 2009 Nov 02 03:05:09 brrrrrrrrrrr street, why do they call it brrrrrr street? (sorry just got done watching the wiggles!) Nov 02 03:06:31 :) Nov 02 03:08:18 sorry, not follow u Nov 02 03:08:29 whoops, wrong IM window - sorry! Nov 02 03:59:58 Hey guys how does this look http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9714/screenfk.png ? Nov 02 04:01:00 man, that is nice Nov 02 04:01:05 nice Nov 02 04:01:13 wow - I thought my screens had a lot going on in them! Nov 02 04:02:12 Yea, I just copied their web site's design. Nov 02 04:02:14 my only comment would be - are you keyed off of the screen size? as we have to start considering how the shorter resolution of the pixi will impact our apps? Nov 02 04:05:46 I like it though Nov 02 04:07:39 scooter26: it can still scroll so they will be fine. Nov 02 04:07:56 cool - that's the approach I'm taking as well :) Nov 02 04:07:57 It has to scroll right now if there are notifications. Nov 02 04:08:40 For games though and stuff they should be resized, this is just a data display application so. Nov 02 04:28:42 need help with 1.3.1 on OSX 10.5 - installed sdk but novaterm says "unabled to find device" Nov 02 04:29:02 pre is in developer mode - "just charge" Nov 02 04:29:44 never had previous version of sdk on this machine - always used my ubuntu box for webOS development Nov 02 04:59:59 anybody using 1.3.1 sdk on OSX that can help me? Nov 02 05:00:31 not I Nov 02 05:00:36 (we are here, but not many are using the 1.3.1 sdk atm) Nov 02 05:01:07 k - thanks Nov 02 05:02:50 Anyone from Palm here? Nov 02 05:03:31 There are a few, but they are usually busy (and in their time zone it is very late). Nov 02 05:03:56 It's only 9:03 here? Nov 02 05:04:32 I need to talk to one about the 1.3.1 sdk Nov 02 05:04:37 and it's a big deal too Nov 02 05:04:38 like Nov 02 05:04:40 I don't know why I said "very". Nov 02 05:04:45 Very big dea Nov 02 05:04:46 l Nov 02 05:05:02 how big? Nov 02 05:05:13 Just post it on the forums. It might already be on their list. Nov 02 05:05:58 like Nov 02 05:06:15 I want to hurt somebody big Nov 02 05:06:37 That's a big idea... but not "good". Nov 02 05:07:30 Also not sure how they implement a "hurt somebody" api. Nov 02 05:08:06 It is a good idea Nov 02 05:08:25 an API that will brick your pre Nov 02 05:08:31 And make you want to hurt someobne Nov 02 05:10:11 kesne: what was the real idea? Nov 02 05:10:18 No Nov 02 05:10:25 It isnt an idea Nov 02 05:10:26 it's just Nov 02 05:10:28 Like Nov 02 05:10:29 Ugh Nov 02 05:10:33 I need to talk to someone Nov 02 05:10:36 chuq isnt online Nov 02 05:10:38 (typing on a single line) Nov 02 05:10:55 If you type out the idea we can tell you if it has been discussed. Nov 02 05:11:08 It hasnt Nov 02 05:11:14 It's person-specific Nov 02 05:20:41 going to sleep. see you guys tomorrow! Nov 02 05:20:54 Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Nov 02 05:21:59 same here - cya yall Nov 02 05:22:11 night! Nov 02 05:41:10 night all Nov 02 06:56:42 hello. Nov 02 12:25:19 mornng all! Nov 02 12:45:41 Morning Nov 02 12:57:01 hey hey Nov 02 12:57:12 hey guys Nov 02 12:58:00 i think i have a case of the mondays... Nov 02 12:58:09 smiles...i know i do Nov 02 13:08:48 hey guys do you think i should write a book on webos? Nov 02 13:09:13 i have been getting emails about my tutorials that I published on webosboston.org and several of them are asking why not write a book Nov 02 13:09:46 heck yeah...there aren't enough Nov 02 13:10:17 that's what I was thinking, I will have to talk to my family about the option of doing this and also come up with an application to develop along with the book. Nov 02 13:11:28 you know jcrawford i didn't know your site existed you need to up your seo Nov 02 13:12:08 JenP most of my tutorials are on webosboston.org and that is just wordpress with a free theme haha my site is josephcrawford.com Nov 02 13:12:33 yea I need to up the SEO just cannot afford to do so at this time :) Had advertising on google but dropped that as it was so expensive :) Nov 02 13:12:57 oh! you can up it without paying Nov 02 13:13:07 JenP please PM me Nov 02 14:18:32 hello all Nov 02 14:20:24 hi Nov 02 14:49:54 are there any tutorials on turning a web app (pure JS and DOM) into a native mojo app? Nov 02 15:20:48 ElVox: Not that I know of. You could write on on webos101.com :) Nov 02 15:21:38 To start with, you could move it all into a scene html file then begin pulling the javascript out into the scene assistant. Nov 02 15:21:46 Then you could begin adding native widgets. Nov 02 15:22:25 Rick_work: Morning Nov 02 15:23:58 Any advice on how to load lists quickly and efficiently? I am loading the list from a local sqlite db. Nov 02 15:25:18 thanks roy Nov 02 15:36:20 How do I suppress the back swipe action? I have the event tied but every time it's called it makes the app go into card view. Nov 02 15:37:19 nvm found it Nov 02 15:37:32 (just had to scroll in the docs more) Nov 02 15:42:55 ElVox are you porting a javascript app to the pre? Nov 02 15:43:14 Roy-Pre101 Morning Nov 02 15:44:23 bryanroth: How many records? You can always do a callback for more data if it's really long. Else, just load them up into the model on a successful query and update the model. Nov 02 15:46:15 Roy-Pre101: That's what I am doing. I have tried using the callback() function when setting up the list but have found that to be very hard to tame. I'm aiming for the list to have unlimited number of items. When there starts to be more than 30 items, the list load time increases. Nov 02 15:47:14 I haven't used it myself but you should be able to use the list sample with callback in the SDK as a base. Nov 02 15:47:46 bryanroth you're talking about an on-screen list? Nov 02 15:48:03 'cause "unlimited" starts to worry me Nov 02 15:48:37 but with an on-screen list, I would use the list attributes to set the initial number of records (usually 20) and the point at which it calls back to query for more. Nov 02 15:48:52 Rick_work: well, it's for a shopping list application so I would assume there could be an unlimited number of list items Nov 02 15:49:15 ok "unlimited" in this context then is under 200. Nov 02 15:49:24 unlimited? what is this paul allen's shopping list app? Nov 02 15:49:26 :) Nov 02 15:49:29 LOL Nov 02 15:49:48 as opposed to the list of "everyone I know on Gmail" which is, in my case, on the close order of 2500. Nov 02 15:50:12 Yeah, I have noticed people creating shopping lists with 200+ items. Nov 02 15:50:14 rick, no one likes a well-connected braggart! Nov 02 15:50:25 hehehehe Nov 02 15:50:38 ElVox I saw your post above, are you porting something to the Pre? Nov 02 15:51:22 i'm actively developing a javascript app for the web (really, desktop widgets and stuff) and was planning on targeting devices like the pre (on top of the standard desktop browsers.) Nov 02 15:51:49 ahhh Nov 02 15:51:51 ok Nov 02 15:52:05 Well, you know the most important thing for mobile browsers.... Nov 02 15:52:11 which is to set the viewport Nov 02 15:54:00 I have noticed that the callback() function of lists is called based on the renderLimit and lookahead values but can't find much on this in the documentation. Nov 02 15:54:53 For instance, if I have renderLimit set to 20 and lookahead set to 15, the callback() function won't trigger until I scroll to offset 50 of the list. Nov 02 15:55:21 i keep trying! :D i think i might be doing something wrong with the viewport at least on the emulator. if i could just disable scrolling (and maybe that title bar drag down a pixel to show the title bar feature) in the browser I would be golden Nov 02 15:55:40 That's the problem I face, if I only load the first 15 items of a list initially then how does the callback() function get triggered? Nov 02 15:55:54 did you try 1 or 5? Nov 02 15:56:25 ? Nov 02 15:56:56 for lookahead Nov 02 15:57:18 bryanroth: It gets triggered when the user scrolls. Nov 02 15:57:47 That's odd. When I would look in my debug, it would only trigger when it hit a certain "offset" Nov 02 15:58:22 If my renderLimit = 20 and lookahead = 15, the callback() function would trigger when an offset of 50 was reached when scrolling the list. Nov 02 16:00:39 so try 20 and 1 and see what you get. Nov 02 16:11:43 hey there Nov 02 16:12:24 hello Nov 02 16:12:27 wat's up? Nov 02 16:12:49 not much here Nov 02 16:13:06 anything you need? Nov 02 16:13:10 just checking in? Nov 02 16:13:19 yeah, just hangin out Nov 02 16:13:23 kk Nov 02 16:28:12 Added DeviceInfo to the wiki. Nov 02 16:36:50 if anyone ever saw the old Mind Master, could you take a look at the following screens and let me know if you think they are better: http://www.gomlsoft.com/sites/default/files/mindmaster_start_screen.png Nov 02 16:36:54 http://www.gomlsoft.com/sites/default/files/mindmaster_game_screen.png Nov 02 16:37:30 ooooooohhhhh SHiney!!!! Nov 02 16:37:44 * sugardave is trying to get better at graphics. Nov 02 16:38:33 * Rick_work gave up on that years ago. All his taste is in his mouth. Nov 02 16:38:39 haha Nov 02 16:46:55 happy monday Nov 02 16:51:49 sugardave: looks alot better Nov 02 16:52:01 have you ever noticed that everyone elses' applications always seem cooler and more fun than the your own? :) Nov 02 16:52:07 YES Nov 02 16:52:11 bmyers: thanks Nov 02 16:52:32 doing some polishing are you? Nov 02 16:52:56 yeah, had a bug to fix anyway...then hit the wrong damn button on my app update page, so now I wait for Palm, so I can wait some more :D Nov 02 16:53:22 yeah releasing updates in the app catalog is a waste of time. Nov 02 16:53:38 by the time the update is approved, you're into the next update already Nov 02 16:53:44 haha, yeah Nov 02 16:54:06 to bad you can't pull a new version instide the app (?) Nov 02 16:54:20 to bad you can't pull a new version inside the app (?) Nov 02 16:54:43 if I were so motivated, I would write it so I could load updated graphics from the cloud...but I'm not so motivated with this app at this time ;) Nov 02 16:55:04 i hear ya.. Nov 02 16:55:23 making any serious bank yet on that one? Nov 02 16:55:47 * ElVox hates pixel pushing... Nov 02 16:55:57 nah, not really....got 55 downloads as of today and a horrible 2.5 star rating....hoping that will go up with the new look Nov 02 16:56:22 any comments? why the low star count ya think? Nov 02 16:56:25 I think I'm going to change the description to something like: "If you are not good at logic games, do not buy this app." Nov 02 16:56:52 how about: if you think deer hunter is an awesome game, dont buy this app.. Nov 02 16:56:57 a couple comments like: how about an on-screen keyboard and a video recorder accompanied one of my stars Nov 02 16:57:16 seriously? Nov 02 16:57:16 low stars not relatedtotheprogram Nov 02 16:57:28 About how long did it take to hear back from Palm after submitting an app? I'm just looking for ballpark figures... Nov 02 16:57:37 "Why are you wasting your time on this crap. Write something we need." Nov 02 16:57:37 my favorite one was "I'm actually a less smart person for having seen this app." Nov 02 16:57:46 harsh.. Nov 02 16:58:04 We posted the AA Big Book last week. Nov 02 16:58:07 ouch Nov 02 16:58:09 ouch, sugardave. Nov 02 16:58:12 almost 1600 downloads Nov 02 16:58:14 bryanroth: my initial submission took about 10 days to hear back Nov 02 16:58:19 29 reviews. Nov 02 16:58:21 well. you put it out there. what happens, happens Nov 02 16:58:29 Rick_work: nice Nov 02 16:58:30 one 0 by accident, someone forgot to touch a star Nov 02 16:58:37 27 5 stars Nov 02 16:58:52 which one was that? Nov 02 16:59:02 and one "What the F*** is this gay shit. A book for drunks on the go? Quit wasting your time." Nov 02 16:59:08 sugardave: nice Nov 02 16:59:19 sugardave: that gives me an idea then Nov 02 16:59:20 Rick_work: nice. Nov 02 16:59:34 bryanroth: then my re-submission (after fixing 2 minor things) took about 4 days, then it was approved and in on Friday night Nov 02 16:59:36 we're currently # 18 in "popular" Nov 02 16:59:39 just goes to show that Pre reaches a WIDE market.. Nov 02 16:59:57 which is ranked PURELY on star average. Nov 02 16:59:59 Be nice to see Palm yank people's rating priv's for stuff like that. Nov 02 16:59:59 sugardave: nice! i'm very eager to hear back from Palm Nov 02 17:00:00 so, about 19 days total, initial submission on 10/12, in the catalog 10/30 Nov 02 17:00:10 glacial... Nov 02 17:00:17 Palm needs to fix the search so it does name match first, then text match second Nov 02 17:00:39 yeah is someone searched for "gay" they'd find u first.. Nov 02 17:01:16 lol Nov 02 17:01:25 hitting all the seo points? Nov 02 17:01:59 grr, still not recognizing my phone after a reboot. Nov 02 17:02:15 rebooting phone again now. Nov 02 17:02:16 Rick: what was ur game app? Nov 02 17:02:59 pegged Nov 02 17:03:41 why is there no app catalog in the emu? Nov 02 17:05:11 because it doesn't have a serial #. Nov 02 17:05:22 app catalog requires a palm profile, and the emulator skips "first use" Nov 02 17:05:44 That's a good reason, too. Nov 02 17:05:45 the first-use app won't work on the emulator because creating a palm profile requires that the data come "over the air" Nov 02 17:05:49 ok then. Nov 02 17:06:14 and Brian H says that he insists on that so that they have some proof that it's a real phone creating the profile. Nov 02 17:06:23 so you can't activate a phone via wifi.. Nov 02 17:06:30 >sigh< do you have to -not- be in developer mode to use webOS Doctor? Nov 02 17:06:40 huh Nov 02 17:06:40 ppl r hacking that anyway arent they? Nov 02 17:07:01 bmyers yes, but they don't get palm profiles. Nov 02 17:07:04 or auto-backup Nov 02 17:07:20 OMG, and they can still sleep at night? Nov 02 17:07:30 backup is broken anyway.. Nov 02 17:08:31 whoops, glad you mentioned that before I doctored my phone. Nov 02 17:08:50 although I do have an rsync backup Nov 02 17:08:57 yup. last backup was 10.15.2009 for me Nov 02 17:09:09 lamo's... Nov 02 17:10:01 run it manually. Nov 02 17:10:17 well thats not very synerginistic.. Nov 02 17:10:28 I'm very angry. It won't recognize my phone. Nov 02 17:11:35 set the lights down low, put on some mood music and let webos Dr and your pre get to know each other a little better first.. Nov 02 17:11:48 dont force anything or your Pre will resent you forever.. Nov 02 17:12:36 Pre101 Roy, did you do the whole battery out, switch up, plug in, battery in thing? Nov 02 17:14:13 nah, not yet Nov 02 17:14:32 there, that did it. Nov 02 17:14:49 Looks like dev mode got into a strange state. Nov 02 17:14:59 alabama? Nov 02 17:15:06 I'm thinking Arkansas. Nov 02 17:15:14 ooh, that bad eh? Nov 02 17:15:30 Could be New Jersey. Nov 02 17:17:15 * ElVox is offended Nov 02 17:17:32 u from jersey? Nov 02 17:17:48 yeah :) Nov 02 17:18:43 the place were: "jeet" is an entire sentence Nov 02 17:21:12 sorry. maybe it's spelled "jeat".. Jeat? No jew? Lets go get some lunch! Nov 02 17:24:37 for people with little understanding of highly efficient "new jersey" language, let me translate: "did you eat?" => "did ya' eat?" => "did'ja eat?" => "ja eat?" => "j'eat?" Nov 02 17:24:57 ah ha! Nov 02 17:25:46 New Jersey English is to American English what Perl is to Java... Nov 02 17:30:47 Sheesh, how many articles on music player remix does PreCentral need? Nov 02 17:34:17 i live in NY and travel to jersey often I am bilingual Nov 02 17:36:45 kinda funny actually. i wonder if that is a locale that u can select in your pre prefs.. Nov 02 17:40:15 there really is no NJ language...you are actually hearing a "New York Metro Area' language - the way they speak in the sopranos (NJ) wouldn't be too out of place in Brooklyn, NYC. People in southern jersey speak like they are from Virginia (not joking)... Nov 02 17:41:12 i know. i lived in AZ for a long time. when i got back to NY, the accent made me laugh alot.. Nov 02 17:42:38 when i leave the state for a while, I actually start to miss the attitude. it feels like everyone else in the country is too eerily nice. Nov 02 17:43:07 i bawt a cawfee and a doh-nut as soon i as i got back.. Nov 02 17:43:42 and a cheese steak? ;) Nov 02 17:43:52 good pizza by the slice is not a technology they have in all parts of the country either.. Nov 02 17:45:31 and the whole "wearing a color coordinated sweat suite with a bull horn necklace smoking a ciggy" thing is something i still cant get used to. Nov 02 17:46:07 gotta have the wife beater shirt with that too to complete the ensamble Nov 02 17:46:29 i was in montana a while back for a few days (too long) and the people there considered "pizza hut" premium pizza...i wouldn't feed my dog pizza hut Nov 02 17:46:34 hey Nov 02 17:47:22 hey giotta Nov 02 17:47:25 o Nov 02 17:48:08 last one: when i moved to AZ I ask someone where you can get hard rolls from Nov 02 17:48:22 and they said "well what do you want a stale roll for?" Nov 02 17:49:08 LOL try ordering a sandwich on a bagel in South Carolina! the waitress had never even HEARD of a bagel! Nov 02 17:49:21 is there a working vpn client for the pre yet ? Nov 02 17:49:48 jerms: someone hacked something together i think.. Nov 02 17:49:55 nothing official ? Nov 02 17:52:10 i dont think so. not in 1.2.1 Nov 02 17:52:24 amazing... Nov 02 17:52:35 cert's and ssl unless you want to do network stuff Nov 02 17:52:43 nod Nov 02 17:53:25 hey pandora: you wrote pandora right? Nov 02 17:58:55 anybody that has worked with the List widget's itemsCallback() function have a moment to chat? IM me Nov 02 18:11:22 bryanroth: Once you get it all figured out please update the list docs on webos101.com Nov 02 18:12:15 heh, I've been plugging away at it for quite some time, I'll make sure do to that though to save people some headaches Nov 02 18:14:13 What I'm trying to do is dynamically load data from a local sqlite db using itemsCallback() from the List widget. Nov 02 18:16:54 From webOSdev's best practices: "Set renderLimit to be high (e.g., 200), but when the list code asks for data just give it 10-20 at a time. It renders that and then asks for more so we can get a quicker initial bring-up time and it works faster overall for scrolling. This is a hybrid version of timeslicing." Nov 02 18:20:52 oh crap. Nov 02 18:20:52 Let's say you have a total of 100 items in your return results but you only want to return 20 to speed up load time of the scene. The itemsCallback() function of the List widget will only get called if the offset = renderLimit + lookahead*2 OR you call setLength() of the List widget. So, you can see that the itemsCallback() function will never get called again. You load 20 items, so the itemsCallback() won't get called until you scroll to offset 230 Nov 02 18:21:03 I did not back up the images from the pre before I wiped it. Nov 02 18:21:07 I thought I rsync'ed them Nov 02 18:21:10 but I didn't. Nov 02 18:21:30 all the images from sprint dev conf are gone Nov 02 18:21:44 All the recent shots of my son are gone Nov 02 18:21:53 * bryanroth pulls hair out Nov 02 18:23:21 Pre101: ouch - that bites Nov 02 18:26:34 i've done that before too :-/ Nov 02 18:26:39 sucks! Nov 02 18:26:55 Is there any sort of Object introspection in the Palm Inspector? Nov 02 18:27:04 pretty much two months of photos. Nov 02 18:41:52 datafirm not really Nov 02 18:42:06 datafirm if the object isn't part of the dom, palm inspector doesn't know about it. Nov 02 18:42:30 Here's what we do. Nov 02 18:42:46 make a div calld "lookinside" Nov 02 18:42:51 then in your code do Nov 02 18:43:13 $('lookinside').innerHTML = Object.toJSON('thatobject') Nov 02 18:43:22 which dumps the object into the div. Nov 02 18:43:34 Rick_work: thanks! that should work for now Nov 02 18:43:38 NOW you can go into inspector, get the value of the div Nov 02 18:43:49 and cut and paste it into an editor where you can do something interesting. Nov 02 18:43:51 only if the inspector would work more than once ;) Nov 02 18:44:15 datafirm are you running 1.3.1 1.2 was better 1.3.1 is better yet. Nov 02 18:44:24 you can also inspect objects using the console if they are global Nov 02 18:44:26 Rick_work: 1.3.1 Nov 02 18:44:29 hey hey Nov 02 18:44:39 incidentist: how is that? Nov 02 18:44:47 datafirm and you can't get the inspector to work more than once without doing a luna restart? Nov 02 18:44:56 Rick_work: no, im not able to Nov 02 18:45:01 weird. Nov 02 18:46:06 datafirm: you can type in the name of an object at the console, or call its methods or whatever, and the console will print the result Nov 02 18:47:27 its a known problem Nov 02 18:49:19 whats new on the streets Nov 02 18:49:43 crime drugs and sex everywhere Nov 02 18:50:07 hope you brought money with you :) Nov 02 18:50:13 atlanta -- in what sense? Nov 02 18:50:33 any word on the new changed in 1.3.1 Nov 02 18:50:51 there are diff's out. Nov 02 18:51:03 but the most importantthings were listedin the readme Nov 02 18:51:23 I particularly like auto-generated help scene. Nov 02 18:51:58 nice Nov 02 18:52:04 time to go a searching Nov 02 18:53:07 got a link to the readme Rick_work ? Nov 02 18:55:07 gonna go install wirc in a min Nov 02 18:55:09 oh lalala Nov 02 18:58:23 Well, restored some data files and apps, rebooting to see if it took effect. Nov 02 18:58:45 good luck pre Nov 02 19:01:33 anyone want to give me a little css help in a mojo app Nov 02 19:01:47 sure, what's up. Nov 02 19:01:51 sure Nov 02 19:02:04 i've got a button with an icon inside it Nov 02 19:02:06 it looks fine Nov 02 19:02:15 but now i want to put some text to the right of the icon Nov 02 19:02:24 but it keeps showing up stacked under the icon Nov 02 19:02:28 not even in the button Nov 02 19:02:41 r u float'n ? Nov 02 19:02:43 is this a mojo button? Nov 02 19:02:51 yeah its a mojo button Nov 02 19:02:51
Nov 02 19:02:55 that is the html i have Nov 02 19:03:35 you should be okay if your icon floats left Nov 02 19:03:53 this is the css part http://dpaste.com/115405/ Nov 02 19:04:40 i will add float: left Nov 02 19:04:59 there are a bunch of ways to do it, but the easiest is probably float: left Nov 02 19:05:08 another way is to make both of them display: inline-block Nov 02 19:07:08 float left didnt work Nov 02 19:07:13 so will try that now Nov 02 19:07:36 I like to think that css float rules were devised as a joke by a member of the w3c, "Tom, I am telling you - I can write anything down, no matter how insane, and someone at Netscape will HAVE to try to implement it! Just watch..." and floats were born. Nov 02 19:08:48 incidentist: display: inline-block didnt work either Nov 02 19:08:50 i fail Nov 02 19:08:52 did u put float right in the userCount class? Nov 02 19:09:03 or float left in the other one? Nov 02 19:11:09 float left in the icon Nov 02 19:11:19 i might have missed ; in the inline-block thing Nov 02 19:12:00 When you figure it out, please post the example in the button section of webos101.com Nov 02 19:15:45 put the img after the span then float the img left. clear the floats when you are done. Nov 02 19:16:06 like this usually:
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Nov 02 19:16:46 on regular web apps at least; i never did any mojo so i hope it works the same for you Nov 02 19:18:53 oops, i forgot to remove the test image i inserted :D Nov 02 19:21:40 so reversing the img and text causes the icon to show up below Nov 02 19:21:53 and the clear both messes up the title Nov 02 19:35:49 well puff, i don't know. the image shows up just to the left of the number which are both in the button if I do it the way I said. i have to remove "margin-left: -8px;" so it will stay IN the button but that is a different issue Nov 02 19:36:02 ElVox: i think it was cause the button was too small Nov 02 19:36:55 ahh, ok. glad you are figuring it out - like I said floats are "ebil" Nov 02 19:37:23 im getting closer Nov 02 19:37:27 its not solved yet ;) Nov 02 19:44:07 Hello, I'm a newbie here, but would just like to know if it's possible or how to set the wallpaper using an image from your images folder in your app - thx! Nov 02 19:46:47 almendoza25: It must be possible as there are a couple apps that do this. You might take a look at those apps. Nov 02 19:51:21 almendoza25: just use the background css property Nov 02 19:52:33 atlanta: (might want to reread what he asked hehe) Nov 02 19:53:40 oops Nov 02 19:53:41 sorry, but basically I would like to use importWallpaper and the target as one of the images on my images folder Nov 02 19:53:45 ohhh Nov 02 19:53:46 lol Nov 02 19:54:46 dunno if this is right parameters: { target : Mojo.appPath + "images/file.png" } Nov 02 19:55:32 almendoza25: http://webos.pastebin.com/m5033f166 Nov 02 19:55:35 yea you can use that also Nov 02 19:55:40 that would be a better way of doing it Nov 02 19:58:14 I'm actually using that, but for some reason, it's not working for me. but def thanks for the info! I'll check my code. Nov 02 19:59:01 Does Palm actively look for basic utilities to license for inclusion in future releases of webos from the catalog? Or does Palm only do those utilities in house? Nov 02 19:59:44 i dont think they look Nov 02 19:59:48 i think most of the stuff is in house Nov 02 20:00:10 almendoza25: no problem also put some try catch function and also see what onFailure outputs Nov 02 20:25:26 later yall Nov 02 20:46:56 ElVox Palm doesn't write what they can buy or use open source for. Nov 02 20:49:26 Rick_work: Hey, I heard you went to sprint dev conference? Nov 02 20:53:28 He did. Nov 02 21:02:36 I presented at the sprint dev conference. Nov 02 21:08:00 i'm using XP. Whats the trick to getting Inspector to connect more than once? Nov 02 21:08:17 without having to restart the emu and inspector Nov 02 21:11:59 try right-click, Reload in the inspector Nov 02 21:12:04 works for me Nov 02 21:16:15 is there a way to easily do drop-shadow? Nov 02 21:16:46 photoshop.. Nov 02 21:17:09 thanks for the reload thing. Nov 02 21:17:15 with CSS I mean :) Nov 02 21:17:51 there's stuff like -webkit-box-shadow Nov 02 21:18:03 http://www.webtoolkit.info/css-drop-shadow.html Nov 02 21:22:21 hm Nov 02 21:23:12 the docs says the only unsupported properties are webkit-border-radius webkit-gradient. meaning -webit-drop-shadow supposed to work, but it doesn't :) Nov 02 21:26:53 Giotto: what docs say that? Nov 02 21:28:19 O'Reilly - Palm webOS (page 213, or 187) Nov 02 21:28:29 Unsupported CSS properties Nov 02 21:28:29 There are some properties common to Webkit that are not supported by Mojo, but there are some ways that you can work around those exclusions. Nov 02 21:28:29 webkit-border-radius Instead of generating rounded corners dynamically, use webkit-border-image and specify an image with rounded corners. Nov 02 21:28:30 webkit-gradient Nov 02 21:28:30 Instead of generating a gradient dynamically, create an image gradient and set it as the background of your body or div. Nov 02 21:45:47 speaking of css, has anyone used -webkit-palm-mouse-target: ignore successfully? Nov 02 21:46:06 is there a trick to it? Nov 02 21:46:52 never have. Wish there was a palm guy here today. Nov 02 21:47:52 rick_work: have you tried and failed, or just not tried? Nov 02 21:52:14 not tried. Nov 02 21:58:16 Palm's stock is takin' a clobberin' this month. It seems to me that the DROID is being overhyped by analysts, and everyone is selling Palm's stock out of panic due to the fear of competition. Nov 02 21:59:43 android is more diversified, more carriers, more hardware markers, the droid is simply the latest incarnation. it's a safer bet than palm from an beancounter point of view, but it's all stuff that has been seen before and judged lacking and the analysts don't get that. Nov 02 22:02:23 sprint is doing everythign right as a carrier (imo) and they're getting pummled. people can't leave fast enough. They're the cheapest and best plans around. Nov 02 22:02:46 ayalysts cause fear/panic. they should be ignored Nov 02 22:04:05 At least its going to be easier to buy stock soon. As they say: buy low, sell high. Nov 02 22:04:47 Brandon_: depends on how low is low Nov 02 22:04:56 low is relative Nov 02 22:05:23 ...yeah. Which is why I don't own any stocks yet. Nov 02 22:05:29 and then it has to actually gain value :) Nov 02 22:06:19 Difference between Stock Market and Gambling.... There really isn't one. Nov 02 22:06:39 but it's hella fun either way Nov 02 22:10:11 Yeah, professional investor is just a different kind of professional gambler and they'd be best off if they saw themselves that way. I played poker for a living for a while in Vegas, so I understand the mindset. stocks might be a good gamble too, but any kind of successful gambling requires study and understanding. Nov 02 22:12:28 incidentist: I thought the mouse ignore thing worked. Nov 02 22:12:31 I think I use it. Nov 02 22:14:33 my scene faders use it and I don't think you can click on the buttons. Nov 02 22:14:36 arrows Nov 02 22:15:25 which app is this? Nov 02 22:15:33 holy crap. Komodo has a css preview? Nov 02 22:15:50 In Match 'Em. In the high score screen. Nov 02 22:25:51 Pre- you mean komo edit or ide? Nov 02 22:29:49 how does the performance of the pre emulator compare to the actual device? Nov 02 22:32:42 huh. i think i figured it out. -webkit-palm-mouse-target needs to be used on a div. can't use it on a plain image element. Nov 02 22:32:50 pretty annoying. Nov 02 22:39:52 incidentist: That's good to know. Nov 02 22:39:57 I should pop that up on the wiki Nov 02 22:40:14 was just about to. :_) Nov 02 22:40:18 oh, please do. Nov 02 22:40:19 :) Nov 02 22:40:27 I'm hip deep in crap already. Nov 02 22:41:19 bmyers: Komodo Edit. Nov 02 22:41:38 I was in the stylesheet and suddenly it popped up a preview of the screen fader. Nov 02 22:41:48 I don't know how it got there and I couldn't figure out how to close it, either. Nov 02 22:42:33 Rick Nov 02 22:43:17 Rick_work: did you happen to catch the talk regarding the sprint app store? Nov 02 22:45:13 anyone know why my (non-wifi) data will deactivate on my palm pre? I have the roaming patch, and I usually keep Wi-Fi on for my data. Normally, when I turn off wi-fi, it's supposed to go to EVDO or 1x, but occasionally if I use the roaming patch wihle wi-fi is on, and -then- turn wifi off, it doesn't connect to any data! Nov 02 22:45:42 I ran "show my IP" and it also states that I have no data connection -- what's going on? Nov 02 22:45:50 I have to restart Luna in order for it to work again Nov 02 22:49:10 Flashpass I did catch it, what do you want? Nov 02 22:49:25 synackfin that's weird, but they're patching deep for that,and I can't say I'm suprized. Nov 02 22:50:09 Rick_work: I missed most of it, did you catch whether they said they would or would not be running the sprint store on smart phones in the future, and would it be along side the existing stores? Nov 02 22:52:37 they aren't certain about smartphones ever Nov 02 22:52:43 and it's absolutely alongside of Nov 02 22:53:38 so their immediate plans are to put the sprint store along side the android market, for example? Nov 02 23:07:02 Rick_work: Also I'm sure you made the palm keynote, i cam on the latter half and saw them talking about webgl, were they just demonstrating that as a possibility for webos, or that they actually had plans to include that sometime soon? Nov 02 23:09:23 Greetings ... is this thing on? Nov 02 23:14:18 That explains why I haven't been getting any tweets. I never restarted tweetie. Nov 02 23:14:28 No wonder I've been so productive this afternoon. Nov 02 23:17:18 Does anyone know if there is a way to shrink standard button size and spacing so I can squeeze more screen real estate for the Pixi? I tried to specify the size and it creates an ugly mess. Nov 02 23:18:51 DavidDennis: there probably is, but Palm doesn't want you to. Nov 02 23:20:58 Hmmm ... is there any recommended workaround? Their document on flexibility suggests that you dynamically shrink buttons when your screen size changes via alerts but that doesn't seem to help with their standard buttons that they want us to use. I was disappointed that document didn't address this issue. I was hoping there would be official word from Palm on this question since they ask us to use their buttons in the UI guideline Nov 02 23:29:02 DavidDennis: i think that "shirnk the buttons" advice only applies to more custom UI stuff. they tend to frown on people customizing the standard UI elements b/c they're supposed to be standard Nov 02 23:29:41 and that if you've got a form with lots of mojo buttons, the "right" thing to do is just have pixi users scroll down Nov 02 23:35:33 I need to dive into pixifying my app Nov 02 23:36:50 Roy-Pre101: I guess palm has instructions on changing your emulator's screen height to 400px like pixi Nov 02 23:37:22 Yes, they do. Nov 02 23:37:27 and it will get easier, soon. Nov 02 23:37:52 I changed my height to like 800 just for fun Nov 02 23:37:55 that works fine too Nov 02 23:40:52 huh... webOS Quick Install won't run on my Mac. Nov 02 23:40:58 Does it work for you guys? Nov 02 23:41:10 destinal_work: Have you tried changing width? Nov 02 23:43:32 I couldn't get the image to run on VMware because the width couldn't be set low enough and the graphics messed up. Nov 02 23:51:42 Roy-Pre101: width seems to be assumed in luna's rendering code Nov 02 23:52:02 Does it? That's diappointing. Nov 02 23:52:03 Roy-Pre101: if you change it, the moment the palm logo would come up at the start of Luna, it ends up all scrambled Nov 02 23:52:15 yeah, that's the problem with vmware. Nov 02 23:52:16 at least that's the way it was last time I tried Nov 02 23:52:56 yeah, I've gotten the emulator image to work in vmware if I tell the linux kernel to stay 320 wide Nov 02 23:53:40 you have to do it in the kernel because vmware doesn't have arbitrary display settings in the machine configuration like vbox Nov 02 23:54:26 unfortunately IIRC the click detection doesn't work right due to not having an equivilent to the vbox mouse helper Nov 02 23:54:48 which is in the emu build to use vbox to get true coordinates of click or somesuch Nov 02 23:56:58 mmm Nov 02 23:57:09 Well, VBox is working well enough for me now that it's not an issue. Nov 03 00:02:21 I have this insane idea about putting webos on a netbook (as the operating system running directly on the hardware, not on an emulator) Nov 03 00:16:56 destinal: That would be pretty nice. :) Nov 03 00:17:50 I think webos without a touch screen might be a little limiting Nov 03 00:21:41 scooter26: well, there are some mods for netbooks to add touchscreens :) Nov 03 00:22:06 that could work Nov 03 00:23:10 this is pretty cool. Someone write a patch to webOS browser to add Weave support: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih5SrhCJukI Nov 03 00:24:53 must.. fight.. desire to run out and buy n900.. (it strikes at odd moments) :) Nov 03 00:25:42 to fight it down I usually just remind myself it has a non-multitouch resistive touchscreen Nov 03 00:26:30 though we should port maemo to pre just as something to dual boot alongside webos :) Nov 03 01:04:39 if anyone wants to see my w.i.p. http://stackulator.com/beta/ or http://stackulator.com/beta/pre.html for a rough pre-sized version (i know the keys are too small for a mobile device) Nov 03 02:07:43 quite in here tonight. Nov 03 02:08:04 we all must be coding Nov 03 02:08:36 been there. Nov 03 02:08:41 am there... Nov 03 02:39:25 pre development has high barriers of entry. I can't fucking remove the plastik from the mini-USB port :P :P :P Nov 03 02:40:39 seriously? it's much easier if you open the phone and "unlatch" it from the back Nov 03 02:41:16 hahaha, victory! Nov 03 02:41:28 thanks dude, was messing with it for like 5 minutes Nov 03 02:41:34 was about to get a girl to open it for me Nov 03 02:42:17 <_droO> never let girls touch ur phone Nov 03 02:42:19 <_droO> :( Nov 03 02:42:53 hehe. got mine stolen by one :D Nov 03 02:42:53 \ Nov 03 02:43:15 Any palm people here? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 03 02:59:57 2009