**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 05 02:59:56 2009 Nov 05 03:03:34 has anyone ever succeeded using the GPS without a sim in the phone? Nov 05 03:04:03 also, should /dev/gps be printing something, like NMEA sentences? it's just silent Nov 05 03:16:12 C'mon folks, surely you've learned something new today. Put it up on webos101.com Nov 05 03:20:38 Roy-Pre101: I did! Nov 05 03:20:59 it's lame, but I did :D Nov 05 03:23:25 var scroller = this.controller.getSceneScroller(); Nov 05 03:23:25 scroller.mojo.revealTop(0); Nov 05 03:23:43 you need the 0 in there.. Nov 05 03:32:05 bmyers: Did you stick that in the wiki? Nov 05 04:04:23 Roy: no i didnt. i do not have an account. Nov 05 04:05:49 bmyers Nov 05 04:05:55 nothing is requred to edit the wiki Nov 05 04:06:05 just give it an email and boom, you're an editor Nov 05 04:06:07 make an account Nov 05 04:06:14 Go ahead, it's easy, just like candy Nov 05 04:06:22 once you try it you'll like it Nov 05 04:06:25 we know you will Nov 05 04:06:56 ok Rick Nov 05 04:13:34 Rick_work: Nov 05 04:13:48 rick_home: What's the screenshot key in the emu? Nov 05 04:14:09 uh what is it in the pre? Nov 05 04:14:16 orange-shift-p? Nov 05 04:14:19 orange+sym+p Nov 05 04:14:20 shift+sym+p Nov 05 04:14:23 or orange Nov 05 04:14:32 ok Nov 05 04:14:38 and iin the emulator what's sym? Nov 05 04:14:44 ctrl? Nov 05 04:14:52 so alt-ctrl-p? Nov 05 04:15:50 nope.. Nov 05 04:15:51 hmm Nov 05 04:16:26 and palm didnt document it on their site? Nov 05 04:16:36 NOPE Nov 05 04:16:42 but I can't find sym on the emulator Nov 05 04:16:54 me either Nov 05 04:16:58 akk Nov 05 04:17:04 ask egaudet Nov 05 04:18:24 ask me what? Nov 05 04:19:04 egaudet: screenshot in emu Nov 05 04:19:09 i dont think you can Nov 05 04:19:15 screenshot your desktop :P Nov 05 04:19:21 no Nov 05 04:19:24 i just want the emu Nov 05 04:19:26 that's what I always do Nov 05 04:19:30 alt prt screen Nov 05 04:19:30 and then crop Nov 05 04:19:53 is gnome same as windows? ctrl+prt screen? Nov 05 04:19:57 crop it dBsooner Nov 05 04:20:12 you have no /media/internal/ in emulator Nov 05 04:20:17 no real storage Nov 05 04:20:21 so just answer my question then Nov 05 04:20:29 ctrl+printscreen? Nov 05 04:20:30 it doesn't support it Nov 05 04:20:39 oh yea Nov 05 04:20:39 in win (not sure about others) ctrl-alt-prtscr grabs ONLY the focused window, less cropping to do Nov 05 04:20:41 uhh Nov 05 04:20:51 shift+printscreen, or just printscreenI think? Nov 05 04:21:06 sugardave, thanks that will come in handy Nov 05 04:21:30 is it wrong that I am putting Preware in the screenshots of Jason's patches? Nov 05 04:24:03 sugardave: I thought that virtualbox snagged ALL keyboard output when it was the active box and you could not do a printscreen if it was the active window Nov 05 04:25:29 rick_home: press right-ctrl and it unlocks the keys Nov 05 04:26:06 there's a little indicator at the bottom of virtual box and you can see a little green arrow turn on and off when you press ctrl Nov 05 04:26:24 turn it off and you can do screen grabs Nov 05 04:31:10 cool Nov 05 04:46:25 GOD I HATE TYPOS. Nov 05 04:46:30 New Palm Pre & Pixi post: Wednesday News Roundup - Pixi, Asia, webOS and iTunes http://bit.ly/1zmJvL Nov 05 04:51:02 I hate centering crap in CSS Nov 05 04:51:19 In fact, I hate laying out things completely in this damn OS Nov 05 04:51:31 Roy-Pre101: I'm a secret grammar Nazi, in the webOS 1.3.1 released section you should change 'was release' to 'was released' Nov 05 04:51:32 just
it... Nov 05 04:51:37 who's looking? Nov 05 04:51:47 Does not work Nov 05 04:53:17 oops Nov 05 04:53:20 good catch, dave. Nov 05 04:53:24 I really put that out fast. Nov 05 04:53:38 reality9110: so take a break from centering and talk to me about admob a sec? :) Nov 05 04:53:48 yeah, ok Nov 05 04:53:49 Roy-Pre101: no worries, it's a curse Nov 05 04:53:51 reality9110: Yeah, fill us in. I want to use it! Nov 05 04:54:05 me 3 Nov 05 04:54:13 What do you want to know? Nov 05 04:54:16 sugardave: I am, too. It's just harder to proof your own stuff. Nov 05 04:54:32 I need to know everything. Nov 05 04:55:03 reality9110: basic stuff for me, like will it show a click in the stats eventually if I did, in fact, click on one of my own links? Nov 05 04:55:09 Setup account, insert script, setup divs...make money Nov 05 04:55:20 sugardave: Yes Nov 05 04:56:10 reality9110: Do you have an affiliate code? Nov 05 04:56:21 Signing up now Nov 05 04:56:22 reality9110: that's good, because I see a bunch of impressions, but I think I'm still waiting 24 hours before clicks might be counted from yesterday Nov 05 04:56:38 Let me check to see if I have one Nov 05 04:56:46 damn, didn't think about that Nov 05 04:56:49 might as well give you a boost if I can . Nov 05 04:56:50 sorry Nov 05 04:57:05 sugardave: You need to change some things in the script to reflect your account number Nov 05 04:57:17 which script? Nov 05 04:57:27 I built my own ajax request from their wiki doc Nov 05 04:57:29 reality9110: The admob stuff might be good to put up in the webOS101 wiki, too. Nov 05 04:57:37 ya think? Nov 05 04:57:52 I need to finish up the distribution section there. Nov 05 04:57:59 and read some of your code enough to get the parameters you were sending Nov 05 04:59:00 Can't find a damn affiliate code Nov 05 04:59:04 Oh well. Nov 05 04:59:05 which I'm not sure are working for me, like 'html_no_js' because I just saw an ad that definitely contains js Nov 05 05:06:01 hi all! Nov 05 05:07:22 hi jenP Nov 05 05:07:36 hiya! Nov 05 05:07:45 Howdy JenP Nov 05 05:07:47 OK. Beta testers... Nov 05 05:08:04 Hey guys! Nov 05 05:09:27 reality9110: Whatcha got? A version that works on my phone? :) Nov 05 05:09:57 Roy-Pre101: Your phone is screwed up... Nov 05 05:10:03 ouch Nov 05 05:10:04 Speaking of which, I got to doctor my phone for the 2nd time in a few days. Also, I learned you can't just back up some of the files and restore them Nov 05 05:10:21 reality9110: It probably works now. Nov 05 05:10:54 You folks know the drill. Nov 05 05:11:46 I'm looking for some design advice on the player page. Nov 05 05:12:10 if I have mojo database created with the ext prefix - shouldn't I see it somewhere when I plug the pre in as a usb device? Nov 05 05:12:48 Probably. Nov 05 05:13:00 JenP: Beta test? Nov 05 05:13:06 Check for hidden files, scooter26_ Nov 05 05:13:12 sure Nov 05 05:13:19 checkin Nov 05 05:13:54 bingo - thanks roy Nov 05 05:14:07 Sure thing. Nov 05 05:14:38 weird name that it gets Nov 05 05:15:16 I'm wondering how I'm going to do backup - one of my ideas was to e-mail the db file - but I don't know that I can access it / know what it's named Nov 05 05:15:47 sql? Nov 05 05:16:08 If I could get gmail to stop crashing firefox... Nov 05 05:16:21 woo, a real comment on my blog. :D Nov 05 05:16:41 brb Nov 05 05:16:45 Usually it's miley cyrus naked. Nov 05 05:17:50 Roy-Pre101: You want to beta test? Nov 05 05:19:10 yep Nov 05 05:19:24 You forgot my e-mail already? Nov 05 05:20:35 Yes Nov 05 05:20:47 Sent Nov 05 05:24:49 I'll check it after I finish burnin' up Treasure Mania on facebook. ;P Nov 05 05:25:39 Crap. I think I messed up that code. I'm not getting any station to stream Nov 05 05:26:00 reality9110: Oh, that happened to me once. :) Nov 05 05:26:23 Yeah...that's a bad build... Nov 05 05:26:35 I'll wait. Nov 05 05:26:40 Phone is still resetting Nov 05 05:26:53 What's the quick way into developer mode? Nov 05 05:26:58 Only one I can remember is upup... Nov 05 05:30:37 What the heck is wrong with this thing? Nov 05 05:31:38 Oh wait...nothing is wrong. Nov 05 05:31:46 Those streams really were down. Nov 05 05:35:36 heh Nov 05 05:41:01 <_droO> if i want to send post data "id=123" with ajax.request, do i need to set parameters {'id':'123'}, or {'id=':'123'} does it add the = for me when it actually sends the data? Nov 05 05:42:52 the first one Nov 05 05:44:06 we need some darn wma support on this phone Nov 05 05:44:59 Hmm, did I sign up for the wrong thing at admob? I'm in the marketplace and my two choices are start advertising and add a mobile site. Nov 05 05:45:13 Add a mobile site Nov 05 05:46:02 Are you adding this to the wiki or should I take lots of notes? Nov 05 05:47:48 Which app type is appropriate? Nov 05 05:47:59 ummmmm Nov 05 05:49:14 I had to use site Nov 05 05:49:24 er, mobile web Nov 05 05:53:26 Roy-Pre101: did you get into devmode? Nov 05 05:53:33 the quick one is webos20090606 Nov 05 05:55:07 rick_home: I got sidetracked into a facebook game. Nov 05 06:12:36 OK, I think this is impressive: http://www.papercraftmuseum.com/life-sized-link-images/ Made out of folded paper. Nov 05 06:13:50 how does one access the the instance of the stage assistant from another controller? Nov 05 06:19:36 roy, that asian dummy is very realistic Nov 05 06:24:17 datafirm: Mojo.Controller.stageController.assistant , I think Nov 05 06:24:43 datafirm_: If that works, let me know. Nov 05 06:24:50 incidentist: Howdy Nov 05 06:25:05 hey party people Nov 05 06:25:09 Roy-Pre101: ok Nov 05 06:25:49 I want to stick it up onto webos101.com if so. Nov 05 06:26:03 I know it works to get a scene's assistant Nov 05 06:26:24 Roy-Pre101: have you done any audio? Nov 05 06:26:36 just background. Nov 05 06:26:41 right Nov 05 06:26:42 I will be doing audio for the letter game. Nov 05 06:26:45 that's what I'm going to be doing Nov 05 06:26:48 background Nov 05 06:26:53 Look on webos101.com Nov 05 06:26:55 is there a way to get it to auto-loop? Nov 05 06:26:59 I posted my music class there. Nov 05 06:27:03 With auto-loop Nov 05 06:27:09 cool Nov 05 06:27:13 Keep in mind it will 'skip' on each loop Nov 05 06:27:30 don't care Nov 05 06:27:36 it's a music box sample Nov 05 06:43:09 Roy-Pre101: nice. Nov 05 06:46:15 ? Nov 05 06:49:51 * ElVox sings along to "Roland the Headless Thomson Gunner" Nov 05 06:51:19 Wow, there's an oldie. Nov 05 06:51:58 Roy-Pre101: there's some admob stuff for you to look at Nov 05 06:52:11 OK Nov 05 07:01:47 Roy, that app I was showing you earlier... Nov 05 07:01:57 all done -- final code off to the artists. Nov 05 07:02:26 g'nite guys Nov 05 07:03:33 rick_home: Yay! Nov 05 07:03:53 datafirm_: Did that work? Nov 05 07:04:09 damn. Nov 05 07:04:13 No music. Nov 05 07:04:14 :-( Nov 05 07:04:50 Did you add the media.js file to your sources or index.html? Nov 05 07:05:52 yes Nov 05 07:05:55 and music.js Nov 05 07:06:28 did you make sure the path was correct to music file? Music file plays on pre fine already? Nov 05 07:06:56 workd better if you type .mp3 instead of .mpe I suspect -- re uploading now Nov 05 07:13:53 haha Nov 05 07:14:44 much better. Nov 05 07:47:07 Roy-Pre101: I have not checked yet.. sorry. Nov 05 07:47:16 building something else.. I'll know soon. Nov 05 07:54:11 Roy-Pre101: its works.. ;) Nov 05 09:01:32 hello Nov 05 09:04:17 can the #{property} in row templates be used to call methods? or is it just for accessing properties of the items property in the model of the widget? Nov 05 09:06:09 i think all i need is the formatters property! Nov 05 09:08:24 Good morning, some developer / technician from Palm online that has knowledge about the ActiveSync Protocol as implemented in the Palm Pre? Nov 05 09:13:35 <_droO> using switch Nov 05 09:13:52 <_droO> can i do return on a certain case instead of break & exit the whole function? Nov 05 09:19:23 Regarding the ActiveSync (EAS) Protocol Implementation: ActiveSync 2.5 Implementation sending field Tasks:RTF instead of Contact:RTF - afaik this is against protocol specification. Device itself seems to have problem in case Daylight Saving Time Week number 5 (last full week in month) is being used in Appointment Timezone information as send in recurring items. Nov 05 09:20:17 Being involved in Z-Push project and these are my findings during investigation of problems reported by users. Nov 05 09:20:36 <_droO> have you emailed this to palm/ Nov 05 09:21:14 sorry, don't know about the internals at palm. In developer site it was said that this is a possible way to get in touch with developers too... Nov 05 09:21:51 <_droO> 3rd party developers mostly ;o Nov 05 09:22:14 <_droO> im not sure who here/comes here actually works for palm Nov 05 09:22:26 have you got some good email adress at palm that takes care about such issues? Nov 05 09:22:40 <_droO> um not sure, theres probably one on their site Nov 05 09:22:46 <_droO> i can take a look if u didnt see anything Nov 05 09:23:06 can't find it there easily at first look. Nov 05 09:23:06 <_droO> i emailed their opensource dept and they responded pretty quickly Nov 05 09:23:31 nice... if you have some email address feel free to send it to me in private irc message Nov 05 09:24:37 <_droO> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewforum.php?f=20 Nov 05 09:24:45 <_droO> " Bug Reports and Feature Requests Nov 05 09:24:46 <_droO> We haven't made our bug tracking system available to developers yet, so we're asking you to submit your bug reports and feature requests here. We'll monitor this and work with you to get them into the system and keep you apprised of the status. Nov 05 09:24:47 <_droO> " Nov 05 09:25:03 <_droO> but someone in chan may have an email address for someone worth emailing Nov 05 09:25:45 _droO: thanks a lot first of all for your help... Nov 05 09:25:59 <_droO> np Nov 05 09:28:23 I heard webos use gstream as its media framework . With that said has any one played ogg and Maybe ever mkv Nov 05 09:47:06 okay. does anyone happen to have a 1.2.1 emulator running? need you to run a test for me. thx. Nov 05 09:58:50 What media framework does WebOS use ? Nov 05 10:34:01 <_droO> anyone around? Nov 05 10:46:02 yes Nov 05 10:46:04 its late! Nov 05 10:46:14 i should probably be sleeping.. ;) Nov 05 10:46:28 <_droO> :D Nov 05 10:46:46 <_droO> im having a problem parsing a JSON array, do u think u can help? Nov 05 10:46:51 sure Nov 05 10:47:04 <_droO> awesome, well basically its a response from post Nov 05 10:47:10 <_droO> usually its just one item at a time Nov 05 10:47:16 <_droO> so ["example"] Nov 05 10:47:18 <_droO> which is fine Nov 05 10:47:29 <_droO> sometimes, it has more though Nov 05 10:48:19 <_droO> [["1"], ["2"], ["3"]] Nov 05 10:49:16 <_droO> but theres a certain case where one of the results could be ["4", "5"] Nov 05 10:49:26 <_droO> within the above Nov 05 10:49:31 <_droO> and im having trouble getting 5 Nov 05 10:49:34 <_droO> so Nov 05 10:49:50 <_droO> [["1"], ["2"], ["3"],["4", "5"]] Nov 05 10:49:51 its a multi-dimensional array in json form Nov 05 10:50:02 <_droO> and can be in any order Nov 05 10:50:09 <_droO> so it may not always be 4,5 Nov 05 10:50:11 <_droO> or same amount Nov 05 10:50:29 <_droO> so im looping through, but getting stuck when hitting ["4", "5"] Nov 05 10:50:32 object[3][1] == "5" Nov 05 10:51:15 <_droO> 3 1? Nov 05 10:51:49 its returning an array of arrays. Nov 05 10:52:25 <_droO> but its dynamic also Nov 05 10:52:44 <_droO> so i never know where i may get ["4", "5"] instance within Nov 05 10:52:48 <_droO> could be Nov 05 10:53:05 <_droO> [["1"],["4", "5"], ["2"], ["3"]] Nov 05 10:53:09 <_droO> or just like Nov 05 10:53:24 <_droO> [["1"],["4", "5"]] Nov 05 10:53:30 It would be nice if you could provide an example of what you're trying to do. Nov 05 10:53:45 you also might want to try #javascript Nov 05 10:54:01 as im going to hit the sack soon.. its 3am in Seattle. Nov 05 10:54:11 <_droO> yea :/ Nov 05 10:54:19 <_droO> i guess im just having a problem since its dynamic Nov 05 10:54:29 hmm.. im still a bit lost on what you're trying to do.. Nov 05 10:54:45 always find the array that is ['4','5'] ? Nov 05 10:54:53 <_droO> well im getting the server response of a post Nov 05 10:55:13 <_droO> as a json array Nov 05 10:56:06 <_droO> and its dynamic, so the number of items it returns varies Nov 05 10:56:32 <_droO> usually its only 1 or 2 Nov 05 10:56:40 <_droO> but can be maybe 4-5 max ive seen Nov 05 10:56:51 <_droO> so im trying to loop through Nov 05 10:57:32 <_droO> get each as string (1,2,3,4,5) and then doing switch based on what each is Nov 05 10:58:04 maybe it would help to see a code sample on pastie Nov 05 10:58:13 are you having trouble writing the loop? Nov 05 10:58:13 <_droO> but one of the results im getting within the array is exactly like 4,5 Nov 05 10:58:20 <_droO> so its another array within the array Nov 05 10:58:29 i understand that.. Nov 05 10:58:33 but what is your issue again? Nov 05 10:58:36 <_droO> but its dynamic so i dont know where it is :/ Nov 05 10:58:48 <_droO> and i guess im having trouble finding the array within the first array Nov 05 10:59:04 <_droO> the second (possible) array within the first Nov 05 10:59:13 it looks like they are all arrays. Nov 05 10:59:26 are you needed to find an array with a length > 1? Nov 05 10:59:44 <_droO> yes Nov 05 10:59:45 <_droO> basically Nov 05 10:59:49 <_droO> within a dynamic array Nov 05 11:00:21 for (var 1=0; i 1) found = true; } Nov 05 11:00:59 s/var 1=0/var i=0/ Nov 05 11:54:53 Hi all. Does anyone know if there are plans to make the AddressingWidget public in coming versions of WebOS? The person picker is very limiting, as it does not allow for proper filtering of contacts, and the AddressingWidget seems to be much more flexible Nov 05 12:16:59 hi all! Nov 05 13:11:01 Hi, are there any Palm developers here? Nov 05 14:29:54 Morning Nov 05 14:30:08 hi Roy Nov 05 14:53:09 hey guys, i'm trying to use the webview widget to render local content (the docs claim this is possible), but it doesn't appear to work... am I missing something or is this not supported (yet)? Nov 05 14:55:33 Does the Palm Inspector work for anyone using lightweight scenes and their own app-assistant? Nov 05 14:55:49 I only ever see the index.html source and it never updates to the current stage Nov 05 14:55:50 where does the local content exist? Nov 05 14:56:54 bmyers: i'm trying something very similar to this guys post : http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/205534-trying-use-webview-widget-local-file-not-working.html Nov 05 15:00:29 what does the url line look like that u r trying to use? Nov 05 15:01:53 for example: file:///media/internal/simple.html Nov 05 15:02:01 also tried file://media/internal/simple.html Nov 05 15:02:29 is that where your file is? in the external storage? Nov 05 15:04:10 yep Nov 05 15:04:44 but in a nutshell: should it work? i mean the docs claim it should but maybe it's not allowed on purpose or something? Nov 05 15:05:11 try: url(/media/internal/simple.html); Nov 05 15:05:20 just for giggles Nov 05 15:05:51 ok, gimme two.. just broke something else ;-) Nov 05 15:07:25 from what I've read, it's supposed to work, but I have never tried it Nov 05 15:07:38 lee2009: can you pastebin your code? Nov 05 15:08:24 thats always best.. Nov 05 15:08:36 sugardave cant help himself but to look... Nov 05 15:08:44 sure... just gotta fix something else first... i'll brb Nov 05 15:09:19 sugardave: hows the dl's on ur app? Nov 05 15:09:51 not great....approaching 91. I'm waiting for them to post my update so I can review myself slightly higher Nov 05 15:09:59 er, at 91, approacihng 100 Nov 05 15:10:36 "GoML Software does it again! Listening to customers is their strong point!" 4 stars Nov 05 15:12:37 updates have to be tuff to wait for going the the app cat.. Nov 05 15:12:53 updates have to be tuff to wait for going through the app cat.. Nov 05 15:13:34 yeah, they updated a LOT yesterday, I was hopeful Nov 05 15:15:50 someone from the app review was here yesterday. did u c? Nov 05 15:16:19 yeah, she was the reviewer for my initial release Nov 05 15:17:09 i told her she should be off reviewing apps instead of hanging around internet chat rooms at work.. Nov 05 15:17:28 kinda funny.. Nov 05 15:18:18 lee2009: Did you check the docs on webview on webOS101? Nov 05 15:18:47 Pre101: yes, they claim it should be possible as long as the content is addressable via URL... so I'm guessing my URL is off somehow... Nov 05 15:19:18 what SDK are you using, lee2009? Nov 05 15:20:17 0.1 Nov 05 15:21:07 ummm...1.2? Nov 05 15:21:20 What version # does your emulator say? Nov 05 15:21:51 ah sorry.. 1.2.0.33 ( i was referring to /opt/PalmSDK/0.1) Nov 05 15:22:15 okay...yeah, pastebin your code, local URLs are supposed to work Nov 05 15:22:45 Yeah, dunno if they're using that properly. Nov 05 15:22:53 alright, just one second while i get this all back in to shape... nothing like fighting 43 fires at the same time eh? Nov 05 15:23:13 Pre101: we really need Palm to get you some server space :D it's really fast late at night, but not so much during the day Nov 05 15:23:21 lee2009: yes, I suffer from that same problem Nov 05 15:25:59 lee2009: This is the model you're following? http://webos101.com/WebView Nov 05 15:26:34 going to remove the auto-generated comments. Nov 05 15:28:05 Pre101: yeah, 'cept i'm not actually even bothering with the changePage function.... so if i have that example, it works... but if i change the url to 'file:///media/internal/simple.html' then it doesn't work Nov 05 15:28:34 What does your HTML look like? Nov 05 15:28:35 hmm...hang on a minute Nov 05 15:33:22 ok not much code, i've boiled it down to just the very minimum... ALL i do is this: Nov 05 15:33:25 var attributes = { Nov 05 15:33:25 / url: 'http://www.palm.com' // <-- works Nov 05 15:33:26 url: '/media/internal/simple.html' Nov 05 15:33:26 }; Nov 05 15:33:26 this.controller.setupWidget('WebId', attributes); Nov 05 15:33:53 argh.. sorry, wrong code that was me trying :-) Nov 05 15:34:05 hey, go to webos.pastebin.org Nov 05 15:34:15 and paste it there Nov 05 15:34:33 ARGHH i got it! Nov 05 15:34:42 * lee2009 bangs his head on a wall Nov 05 15:35:13 * lee2009 hangs his head in shame Nov 05 15:35:20 that spot on the wall is taken i think.. Nov 05 15:35:30 thats happens alot here.. Nov 05 15:35:48 so...you got it to work, then? Nov 05 15:35:53 ok.... now if this damn thing is sooooo smart to know that that semi colon there was not s'posed to be there.. then why couldn't it be smart enough to remove it?!? (and write the code for me while we're at it :-)) Nov 05 15:40:56 lee2009: okay, can you make it work it the local app dir? I can make it work on /media/internal with file://, but can't seem to make it work from the app dir Nov 05 15:42:33 haven't tried that... i actually need to be able to have it load an empty file with a div, and then dynamically change the div.... sounds like a bit of overkill I know.. i mean i have my app dynamically change the div of the scene already... however, that does not give me pinch zooming... using the webview and then with dynamic content should give me pinch zooming Nov 05 15:42:46 obviously there might be an easier way to do this, but I couldn't see how :-) Nov 05 15:43:01 Hi all. Does anyone know if there are plans to make the AddressingWidget public in coming versions of WebOS? The person picker is very limiting, as it does not allow for proper filtering of contacts, and the AddressingWidget seems to be much more flexible Nov 05 15:43:38 sos_: I don't know, it sounds good, though Nov 05 15:44:17 lee2009: I just started messing with the WebView widget...it's possible you could build an HTML fragment and pass it to it somehow, but not sure Nov 05 15:44:43 sugardave: that's what i'm trying now... Nov 05 15:45:24 ideally i would have just created one div inside my scene, which on it's own could be pinch zoomed without me even having to use the webview widget... but not sure if that's possible Nov 05 15:46:07 another aspect I haven't begun to look at Nov 05 15:46:14 I'm doing good just to write JS code that works :D Nov 05 15:46:32 working code is overrated.. just hack it :-P Nov 05 15:46:33 image viewer can do the zoom thing, too Nov 05 16:04:29 lee2009: What was the problem with the webview? Nov 05 16:05:15 Roy-Pre101: well what I really want to do is just have one div of my scene be pinch zoom'able Nov 05 16:05:26 dont really want to use webview for that, but not sure how else i can do it Nov 05 16:06:15 Well, why weren't you able to open the local page? Nov 05 16:07:01 hi Nov 05 16:07:13 The original sudoku on the Palm was pinch-zoomable. Dunno how they did it. Hello egaudet_wirc Nov 05 16:07:56 Roy-Pre101: sorry, the local page problem is resolved... i was being thick :-) Nov 05 16:08:31 Care to elaborate? Nov 05 16:09:35 i had one semi colon too many in the wrong place of my code making everything barf... *blush* Nov 05 16:10:02 mmm. OK, that'll do it. Nov 05 16:10:22 checking the log files + try/catch = good. Nov 05 16:10:35 yep... as i said... thick me ;-) Nov 05 16:11:49 Don't worry, I'll be there later tonight wondering why it doesn't work. Nov 05 16:13:07 so anyone know of a neat trick to make one div element on my scene be indepently zoom'able? or am i having some wishful dreams here? Nov 05 16:14:04 http://www.geekpedia.com/code17_Zoom-div-by-percentage-using-CSS.html Nov 05 16:14:10 Maybe? Nov 05 16:14:25 oh, that says IE only. Nov 05 16:14:31 might work, though! Nov 05 16:14:38 ah... lemme have a play, thanks! Nov 05 16:16:42 nope.. no go... and besides, I want to have the palm take care of the zooming... ie making pinch zoom work inside my app without having to write it myself... at the end of the day my app/scene is just html rendered by webkit, so you'd think it should be a simple flag somewhere Nov 05 16:17:16 "Listen for the 'gesturestart' 'gesturechanged' 'gestureend' events on a window" Nov 05 16:17:42 is all I can find so far Nov 05 16:18:29 and then a "look in the image viewer source for examples" statement Nov 05 16:18:46 hmm that might be an idea Nov 05 16:19:24 hi Nov 05 16:19:57 hey MetaView_ Nov 05 16:20:06 the gesture-stuff could be a single event, would be nicer somehow Nov 05 16:23:48 Really need better multi-touch support so you can track two touches at the same time. Nov 05 16:48:33 anyone know where i can find the code for the imageview widget? Nov 05 16:51:17 stylematters? Nov 05 16:52:44 /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.photos Nov 05 16:56:54 sugardave: thanks Nov 05 16:57:17 although what i was after is /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/200.18/javascripts/widget_imageview.js Nov 05 16:57:21 ah Nov 05 16:57:23 oops Nov 05 16:57:26 :D Nov 05 16:57:47 alright... looks like i'll have to be doing a bit of pinch/doubletap zooming myself :-( oh well... sleep is for wusses anyway Nov 05 16:57:50 catch ya guys later Nov 05 17:31:51 re Nov 05 17:32:20 hmmm....so if someone approached you with "we have an app that runs on iPhone and Android, but we don't know anything about webOS...how much would you charge us to fix it?" what would you think? Nov 05 17:32:32 * sugardave is really REALLY new to this whole application development thing. Nov 05 17:37:42 how could be anything but starting from scratch. Nov 05 17:41:42 well, they have SOME stuff, and I've looked at it...very inefficient and confusing....I think they're suffering from event overkill Nov 05 17:43:43 someone with access to the beta OS could you look into the forum and answer my question? thx :) Nov 05 17:47:46 apps are being updated.....come on, mine! Nov 05 17:49:28 MetaView: answered, sort of Nov 05 17:53:51 seriously, any 'dev-for-hire' types I need some advice Nov 05 17:55:37 I would imagine you are going to have a hard time predicting what it would take, time-wise. You may just have to tell them an hourly rate, and say it could take weeks. Nov 05 17:57:24 sugardave: try to break down your estimate into managable pieces you can price more easily Nov 05 18:00:15 sugardave: seems to be resolved or kind of Nov 05 18:03:05 good ideas Nov 05 18:06:15 hey hey Nov 05 18:08:15 hey, atlanta Nov 05 18:08:25 hello there what you up 2 Nov 05 18:08:58 sugardave, whatever you do, give them a ridiculously high number. like 3-4x what you would think is rational. if they accept, you will probably end up over your estimates anyway. and if they balk at the price, it means they aren't serious enough to be worth your time Nov 05 18:09:40 sugardave: +1 what ElVox said. Nov 05 18:10:10 atlanta: Nothing. Should be working. Nov 05 18:10:11 what he trying to do Nov 05 18:10:12 ? Nov 05 18:10:42 atlanta: Trying to figure out how to quote a project. Nov 05 18:10:57 it's a fine line....I'm brand new to development and it would be great to add it as experience Nov 05 18:11:42 development for the pre Nov 05 18:11:42 ? Nov 05 18:11:52 dev period :D Nov 05 18:11:55 for me Nov 05 18:12:03 yea i seem to have a hard time calculating prices Nov 05 18:12:20 oh, yes this is a webos project Nov 05 18:12:40 oh ok Nov 05 18:12:41 cool cool Nov 05 18:12:49 yea i have 2 going under my sleves now Nov 05 18:12:58 html and css is kicking my butt Nov 05 18:12:59 once again Nov 05 18:13:03 sugardave: Yah, always tricky to balance that. And know that there is always a possibilitiy you will not be able to do what they want, and so you need to have a way to back-out if need be. Nov 05 18:17:22 part of the job is managing customer expectations... Nov 05 18:18:17 but look at the estimate the same way you program Nov 05 18:18:32 take a huge job, break it down into little pieces Nov 05 18:18:44 tackle the little pieces one at a time Nov 05 18:19:29 ElVox is right. webOS is new enough, and you're new enough at it (we all are), that any project is going to have lots of unpredictability. Nov 05 18:20:27 okay, great feedback guys, thanks Nov 05 18:24:54 just dont put "unpredictability" as a line item in an invoice. Use "remediation" instead.. Nov 05 18:25:01 haha Nov 05 18:25:05 'solar flares' Nov 05 18:25:07 $250 Nov 05 18:25:48 "well, pisces was on the cusp of aquarius, so i couldn't get the damn checkboxes to line up..." Nov 05 18:26:50 anybody want to share a sample invoice? :D Nov 05 18:27:51 the other thing you can do is a "not to exceed" quote is some (almost) stupid number on it. Nov 05 18:28:00 and see if they baulk at that.. Nov 05 18:28:19 with a definition of what would be provide Nov 05 18:28:22 with a definition of what would be provided Nov 05 18:28:25 speaking of pisces... anyone know about this ares or aries thing? Nov 05 18:28:28 yeah, that sounds good Nov 05 18:29:09 you asked if there is a budget for the project right? Nov 05 18:29:20 no, here's how it went down: Nov 05 18:29:42 lmorchard: dunno what that refers to. are the greek gods opening up a webOS shop? Nov 05 18:29:47 guy posts in the forum with a 'help me' post, offering a small bounty to "fix" their list issue Nov 05 18:29:53 web-based visual dev tool for webOS apparently being demoed at OpenMobile - http://twitter.com/foxycar/status/5455689180 Nov 05 18:29:56 i suppose they gotta do something to stay afloat Nov 05 18:30:04 oh. that's much more likely. Nov 05 18:30:11 I told him to send me his ipk, he did Nov 05 18:30:25 I looked at it, it's crap....I asked him "WTF is this supposed to do?" Nov 05 18:30:42 I wonder if that has anything to do with mozilla bespin Nov 05 18:30:58 he responds: "Well, I'll tell you what, my dev knows nothing about webOS, how much would you charge to fix it?" Nov 05 18:31:01 and that's where I am now Nov 05 18:31:14 Or if it's like drag and drop widgets to compose views Nov 05 18:31:42 is it useable AT ALL? Nov 05 18:31:48 kind of Nov 05 18:31:49 the code i mean Nov 05 18:31:58 yeah, it "works" mostly Nov 05 18:32:08 but it totally needs to be re-done at an architecutre level Nov 05 18:32:18 next version.... Nov 05 18:32:26 can u make this one do what they want? Nov 05 18:32:46 not sure yet...it's a speed thing...they're parsing a hand-built XML file and it seems VERY slow Nov 05 18:32:57 I haven't really gotten into it that far yet Nov 05 18:33:04 right.. Nov 05 18:33:08 and well u shoudlnt Nov 05 18:33:15 Nuke the code from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Nov 05 18:33:17 I figured I'd could re-write it faster than trying to make their shit work Nov 05 18:33:23 thats called "needs analisys" and its an invoice line item Nov 05 18:33:34 bmyers: hey, yeah that's good Nov 05 18:33:49 it means "here is where you are" Nov 05 18:33:56 "here is where you want to be" Nov 05 18:34:04 "here is what it'll take to get there" Nov 05 18:34:56 with that you can get a better idea of what they want Nov 05 18:35:09 they get a better idea of what is possable Nov 05 18:35:19 and you know what you need to do Nov 05 18:35:46 then you could give a quote on the "here's what it'll take to get there" part Nov 05 18:37:23 the more definition in a project/quote, the more things are billable :) Nov 05 18:37:46 so true Nov 05 18:37:56 but seriously, it gives everone invloved a better idea of whats going on Nov 05 18:38:36 yeah, great Nov 05 18:38:36 * pandora-- nods Nov 05 18:41:25 google some "needs analysis" and maybe that'll give you some direction Nov 05 18:41:51 gotta run for now though. i'm on the side... Nov 05 18:56:19 hi Nov 05 18:56:49 hey Nov 05 18:57:00 is here any palm official guy? Nov 05 18:58:17 any palm pre user here who are intrested in a heavy metal app for webos? Nov 05 19:00:02 Hernlebuh: Adora now works at palm (not currently logged in) and chuqui sometimes shows up Nov 05 19:00:18 ah ok Nov 05 19:00:47 thx. Nov 05 19:01:30 there may be others that have not come clean, though Nov 05 19:01:35 what is a heavy metal app? Nov 05 19:01:42 guitar hero? Nov 05 19:02:06 I thought lemketron might work at Palm? Nov 05 19:02:34 MetaView: i only know of adora and chuqui... dont know about anyone else Nov 05 19:03:10 MetaView: a heavy metal app magically encases the pre in a heavy metal case once installed. Nov 05 19:03:16 A heavy metal app is a app for heavy metal fans :-) Nov 05 19:04:02 Content of a lot of heavy bands; with a lot of specials... Nov 05 19:04:49 * MetaView is not an heavy metal fan Nov 05 19:05:07 * MetaView is not an heavy metal fan Nov 05 19:05:14 lemketron is a Palm person, too Nov 05 19:05:19 I've been in contact with a lot of bands to develop my app... e.g. I had contact to Cage, Iced Earth, Blaze Bayley, etc. :-) Nov 05 19:05:40 well, for the metal fans: Just wait until my app is rady to public :-D Nov 05 19:05:51 Hernlebuh: I'm sure there are plenty of fans (not I) Nov 05 19:06:25 * sugardave sent off his "not to exceed" vague description. "Now, let's see if they bite." Nov 05 19:07:09 afk. Nov 05 19:08:47 Adora: tsk tsk...STILL at -5 points on the Mind Master leaderboard....FOR SHAME! Nov 05 19:08:51 Adora: Hernlebuh wwere lokking for Palm staff Nov 05 19:09:02 sugardave: I fail =[ Nov 05 19:10:42 sugardave: he is? ok. anyone else? Nov 05 19:13:16 ummm....I don't think I know any more Nov 05 19:14:21 k Nov 05 19:14:53 oh endamcgrath_ is Nov 05 19:15:07 but, I thiught it was Edna.... Nov 05 19:15:39 Roy-Pre101: what's yr email? got an article for you Nov 05 19:20:09 incidentist: pre101@pre101.com Nov 05 19:20:13 Thanks! Nov 05 19:20:24 sugardave: I made that mistake, too! Nov 05 19:23:38 Roy-Pre101: who else are Palm? Nov 05 19:28:59 they need to do Nov 05 19:29:00 _palm Nov 05 19:29:04 that would help Nov 05 19:29:27 but then you'd have wiseacres like atlanta_palm Nov 05 19:29:29 oh Nov 05 19:30:10 :-p Nov 05 19:31:29 a page on webos-internals.org thats locked with palm nicks? Nov 05 19:31:35 sounds good Nov 05 19:31:54 gkatsev: great idea, put it on webos101, too, while you're at it :D Nov 05 19:34:09 Dalmaer promised us a list of nicks vs palm staff when he was here a few days ago. Nov 05 19:34:29 but it hasn't appeard yet. Perhaps because he's off galavanting around europe doing javascript stuff. Nov 05 19:35:16 someone might want to send him an email at devrel@palm.com to remind him Nov 05 20:03:05 who wants to get paid to make my psd look right on the pre in html/css Nov 05 20:03:39 * sugardave is not the guy for that. Nov 05 20:03:53 digitalpoint here i come Nov 05 20:04:08 I'm also beginning to hate these two words: "being reviewed" Nov 05 20:04:23 LMFAOO Nov 05 20:04:29 im probably gonna hate them soono Nov 05 20:04:34 last app was homebrew Nov 05 20:04:38 so the transition Nov 05 20:04:40 grrr Nov 05 20:04:50 yeah, the anticipation is a killer Nov 05 20:05:00 "today?" "NO!" Nov 05 20:12:48 lmaoo just had a funny convo Nov 05 20:14:22 made a mistake and told a guy #killyourself Nov 05 20:14:23 lol Nov 05 20:14:44 and he did? Nov 05 20:15:04 no lol he ask me was that a joke or insult but all is well Nov 05 20:15:04 lol Nov 05 20:15:24 its an insulting joke, of course. right? Nov 05 20:15:28 if he didn't it's not funny then Nov 05 20:15:37 balrog-k1n: lmao Nov 05 20:15:45 gkatsev: some what its like are you serious Nov 05 20:16:16 so, has anyone tried connecting to an eduroam accesspoint from the Palm Pre? Nov 05 20:16:31 hi JenP Nov 05 20:16:32 hi all! Nov 05 20:16:38 atlanta: there's your graphics person Nov 05 20:16:45 hey sugardave how's it doing? Nov 05 20:16:49 hey JenP Nov 05 20:16:54 hey atlanta Nov 05 20:16:57 what's up? Nov 05 20:16:58 oh yea i forgot about that Nov 05 20:17:03 pretty good, what's shaking? Nov 05 20:17:07 nothing wanna do a psd to xhtml convert for me Nov 05 20:17:14 nuttin...taking a break from work Nov 05 20:17:22 i have most of it done positioning is kicking my ass Nov 05 20:17:26 good plan Nov 05 20:17:39 psd to xhtml convert? What do you need? Nov 05 20:18:07 well i have a graphics guy mock up my app in psd and then i just make it into html Nov 05 20:18:20 oh that's cool Nov 05 20:18:29 imma give it one shot when i get back Nov 05 20:18:30 home Nov 05 20:19:00 why don't you email me and send me the specs and we'll see what we can do Nov 05 20:19:08 maxhammett@gmail.com Nov 05 20:19:24 hehe, anybody want a BOFH Excuse Generator app? Nov 05 20:19:31 ok ill give you a holler on chat later when i get the time Nov 05 20:19:43 BOFH? Nov 05 20:19:47 sounds good Nov 05 20:19:52 bastard operator from hell Nov 05 20:19:56 old Internet stuff Nov 05 20:19:58 lol sugar dave Nov 05 20:20:10 sugardave: I would, but I'm too busy compiling a new kernel. Nov 05 20:20:11 lol im too young for that i guess Nov 05 20:20:24 oh listen at muchtall good stuff Nov 05 20:20:26 lol...i'm not...i knew what he meant immedietly Nov 05 20:20:27 kernel for? Nov 05 20:20:43 I already have the canned excuses in a db testing app Nov 05 20:20:44 Just a good excuse. Not really Nov 05 20:21:03 my all-time favorite has always (and continues to be) 'solar flares' Nov 05 20:21:25 lol..another i haven't heard forever... Nov 05 20:21:57 alright, I will try to release it tonight or tomorrow on homebrew...need to make an actual scene and stuff :D Nov 05 20:22:03 I thought it was funny Nov 05 20:22:32 7 people killed at Ft. Hood Nov 05 20:22:35 whoa Nov 05 20:23:36 whoa thats crazy Nov 05 20:46:35 Anyone around here use the Weave addon with Firefox, by chance? Nov 05 20:50:14 *crickets* Nov 05 20:53:41 http://www.instantcrickets.com Nov 05 20:54:59 Heh Nov 05 20:57:04 hey, there was a Palm person Nov 05 20:57:28 drive-by palming. Nov 05 20:57:37 That sounds painful Nov 05 21:14:37 you know...palm should integrate http://code.google.com/closure/compiler/ into the packaging stage...an optimizing js compiler matters even more on a mobile device with limited resources Nov 05 21:14:38 do models need to be added to sources.json? for instance, if I have a myapp/app/models/mymodel.js Nov 05 21:15:20 ElVox: been looking at it just now, looks kind of cool Nov 05 21:16:59 very cool! i was talking about the need for a javascript "repiler" this with a buddy earlier in the week. Nov 05 21:17:11 -this Nov 05 21:19:10 JustinHoMi: Any JS that you want to use in your app needs adding to sources.json Nov 05 21:19:29 You could add it to the HTML as script tags, but sources.json is more reliable between cards / stages Nov 05 21:20:25 thanks. I'll read up on the website. After going through the HelloWorld tutorial on the website, and seeing the typos, I figured I'd just go through the book instead Nov 05 21:20:34 but apparently the book is missing something critical things too.... Nov 05 21:24:24 it's a bit frustrating that there is no single, accurate source for documentation Nov 05 21:26:45 hmm my app breaks google's javascript compiler... "INTERNAL COMPILER ERROR. Please report this problem. VarCheck should have caught this undefined function" Nov 05 21:27:37 ElVox: lol Nov 05 21:29:17 Adora: what's this Ares Development Environment that was getting mentioned on Twitter today? (for webOS dev-ing) Nov 05 21:29:26 Adora: I Googled, but found naught Nov 05 21:29:36 link? Nov 05 21:29:41 one sec.... Nov 05 21:29:51 oh, yeah, i was wondering about that as well Nov 05 21:30:36 Adora: http://twitter.com/foxycar/status/5455689180 Nov 05 21:31:02 I think it's from Michael Abbot's talk at Open Mobile Summit Nov 05 21:32:43 I'm not sure how much I can say about it, but if foxy's tweeting about it... Nov 05 21:33:42 in short summary, it's a we-based tool to mock up and/or code webOS apps Nov 05 21:33:47 *web Nov 05 21:33:55 KENSE, GO TO YOUR ROOM! Nov 05 21:33:57 * Adora grins Nov 05 21:34:14 I also don't know very much about it, I've only seen it once myself Nov 05 21:34:21 but it is very much full of win Nov 05 21:34:28 Hey Adora, hehe Nov 05 21:34:42 Finally nice to see Palm peeps in here Nov 05 21:34:45 First time I have Nov 05 21:34:56 Adora: cool Nov 05 21:34:58 I figured it must have been happening while I was at school; Nov 05 21:35:04 heh, Palm has been in here since July Nov 05 21:35:11 kesne_school: shouldn't you be, y'know in class or something? :p Nov 05 21:35:34 Adora: any chance of some screenies that might just happen to be floating around? ;) Nov 05 21:35:42 I AM in a class Nov 05 21:35:45 I promise not to blog them on the Internet. Nov 05 21:35:45 Tech Support Nov 05 21:35:47 * freakout-work crosses fingesr Nov 05 21:35:56 (behind back so Adora can't see) Nov 05 21:36:03 Heh Nov 05 21:36:20 Adora: So Perfect Bounce, reviewed fully yet? Nov 05 21:38:18 hi, I am finishing up a threaded mail view patch and wanted some advice on how it should look Nov 05 21:38:38 holy crap Nov 05 21:38:46 ? Nov 05 21:38:48 it's not kense, it's kesne Nov 05 21:38:48 I also wanted to know if the crinkly paper look in calendar is fair game to use Nov 05 21:38:58 Adora: is Ares made by Palm or third-party? Nov 05 21:39:03 I was wondering why tab wasn't auto-completing Nov 05 21:39:03 Adora: You just noticed? Nov 05 21:39:15 kesne: I blame my dyslexia Nov 05 21:39:27 hehehe Nov 05 21:39:48 lol Nov 05 21:39:48 Heh, it's all good Nov 05 21:39:48 nil: That would be awesome. Personally I love the way gmail works. Nov 05 21:39:54 So, PB? Nov 05 21:40:59 freakout-work: I'm pretty sure it's all in house Nov 05 21:41:02 I am proud of palm for this project. pm is fine for communication Nov 05 21:42:18 madrox!! Nov 05 21:42:25 ! Nov 05 21:42:37 I was wondering if that tweet was going to lure you in here =] Nov 05 21:42:58 >_< Nov 05 21:43:01 you know me too well Nov 05 21:43:39 but yeah, you're gonna love Ares when it comes out Nov 05 21:44:14 no screenshots anywhere? Nov 05 21:44:30 Adora: any chance of an eta? Nov 05 21:45:02 no, only a scant few tweets from #openmobile Nov 05 21:45:13 =[ Nov 05 21:45:17 gkatsev: I honestly have no idea Nov 05 21:45:40 from my self-exploratory glimpse, it reminded me of balsamiq Nov 05 21:45:43 but pretty Nov 05 21:45:45 aww, its almost like waiting for the release date of the pre again, lol Nov 05 21:45:47 and with code Nov 05 21:46:06 see, Palm still has stuff up our sleeves to keep you guys excited =] Nov 05 21:46:22 Adora: cool, balsamiq is nifty Nov 05 21:46:42 komodo's webos add-in is pretty nifty in the meantime Nov 05 21:46:55 madrox: oh, wassat? Nov 05 21:47:04 adora: http://webos.templarian.com/komodo/ Nov 05 21:47:17 yeah, Templarian has done a great job with that Nov 05 21:47:24 Templarian: you should add a designer to it, lol Nov 05 21:47:27 Eclipse > Komodo IMO Nov 05 21:47:45 kesne_school: really? Nov 05 21:48:04 Yes Nov 05 21:48:08 Templarians Komodo's great...totally prefer it to Eclipse Nov 05 21:48:18 I like Eclipse befcause I'm a long term Aptana user Nov 05 21:48:19 kesne_school: i mean, i guess in general eclipse is better, but for js and stuff komodo is better especially with templarian's addon Nov 05 21:48:28 Yeah Nov 05 21:48:31 I've never used Eclipse, I'm liking Komodo Edit + Templarian's extension Nov 05 21:48:35 Eclipse can just handle everything Nov 05 21:48:45 madrox: now look what you've started Nov 05 21:48:47 hehehehe Nov 05 21:48:54 and lately, I've been all over the world of languages, and Komodo doesnt work as well,. Nov 05 21:49:09 vim :P Nov 05 21:50:06 yeah, vim ftw Nov 05 21:50:11 I also like it's project management better. Nov 05 21:50:31 I'm an instigator Nov 05 21:50:36 once i get the webos book, i think ill write a script/a bunch of commands for being able to do everything from within vim (or some stuff) Nov 05 21:50:56 is there a pre-irc yet yet or not? Nov 05 21:50:58 gkatsev: which webOS book? Nov 05 21:51:13 kesne_school: "the" webos book? Nov 05 21:51:16 bmyers: yes, there is Nov 05 21:51:22 "The" webos book? Nov 05 21:51:23 * Templarian thinks hehe, a design view would be funny when bulding and viewing in the emulator takes 2 seconds. Nov 05 21:51:32 homebew or app cat? Nov 05 21:51:35 kesne_school: there is more than one webos book? Nov 05 21:51:40 pre irc :D Nov 05 21:51:43 There is Nov 05 21:51:47 release is coming soon Nov 05 21:51:50 It's actually wIRC Nov 05 21:52:01 i saw something about it Nov 05 21:52:03 Let me grab the link Nov 05 21:52:07 i cant dl it yet? Nov 05 21:52:13 The folks at webos-internals are working on it Nov 05 21:52:13 kesne_school: ah, the one from oreilly Nov 05 21:52:15 you can actually Nov 05 21:52:18 :) Nov 05 21:52:21 there's wIRC, and I thought there was another one Nov 05 21:52:22 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:WIRC you mean this Nov 05 21:52:31 the tab is open on my other computer somewhere Nov 05 21:52:32 Templarian, yes, that one Nov 05 21:52:35 thank you Nov 05 21:52:37 I miss all of my bookmarks Nov 05 21:52:50 Adora: There might be a web version around. Nov 05 21:53:02 webversion of what? Nov 05 21:53:09 IRC. Nov 05 21:53:13 gkatsev: where do you live? Nov 05 21:53:19 others have used irssi in terminal app Nov 05 21:53:23 I have SO MANY extra webOS books Nov 05 21:53:27 Adora: boston. Nov 05 21:53:30 I'm using a web IRC Nov 05 21:53:37 webchat.freenode.net Nov 05 21:53:37 heh Nov 05 21:53:39 actually, I think chuq's sending some off to boston Nov 05 21:53:46 Adora: chuq is sending us predevcamp boston finally Nov 05 21:54:05 that was not a good sentence, let me try again. Nov 05 21:54:06 they're sitting on his desk, I saw them, they exist =] Nov 05 21:54:17 Adora: chuq is sending us, predevcamp boston, some, finally Nov 05 21:54:42 shatnerchat! Nov 05 21:54:52 what? Nov 05 21:55:08 Also kesne_school what didn't you like in Komodo when you used it, i could add it when I get free time. Nov 05 21:55:22 gkatsev, I don't recommend "the" webos book... Nov 05 21:55:23 i got my pre replaced last night. its a refurb from a month ago. feels so much more solid than the old one Nov 05 21:55:41 JustinHoMi: yeah, i know there are problems, but a) its free and b) its a starting point Nov 05 21:55:52 * Templarian imagines glossy carbon fiber Pre. Nov 05 21:55:53 Templarian: Well, it's been a while. Last time I used it was, when it was just released Nov 05 21:56:06 Templarian: oh, man. that would be awesome. Nov 05 21:56:10 i'm still trying to get past chapter 2. the basic example is full of typos that aren't even mentioned in the errata Nov 05 21:56:16 I wish that you could auto-generate widgets Nov 05 21:56:17 Toolbox or Add-on... theres a large difference. Nov 05 21:56:37 I was actually going to add a design view, but it's such a large undertaking. Nov 05 21:56:42 Nah Nov 05 21:56:44 No need Nov 05 21:56:51 JustinHoMi: are you using the rough cuts? Nov 05 21:56:55 Design Views encourage noob apps and programmers Nov 05 21:56:55 no Nov 05 21:57:18 gkatsev, it's the first edition Nov 05 21:57:28 Just auto generating a button widget would be nice, because I hate trying to remember every bit of code for those. Nov 05 21:57:32 Same with listeners. Nov 05 21:57:45 JustinHoMi: really? i didnt think it was *that* bad. Nov 05 21:57:49 Auto-add listeners for divs with certain names would be hella sweet Nov 05 21:57:53 but im smart, ill figure it out. Nov 05 21:57:54 gkatsev, take a look at the reviews on amazon. Averaged 1.5 stars Nov 05 21:57:59 Though now we're merging into webOS features Nov 05 21:58:25 out of 7-8 people, only one person gave it above one star. Nov 05 21:58:33 lol Nov 05 21:58:34 I read through the book, it's okay, definately would have been better if they would have written good documentation instead of letting him whore it out. Nov 05 21:58:52 haha Nov 05 21:59:06 Little unethical as developers... but everyone has different moral.s Nov 05 21:59:11 are there any good sources for documentation for the webos? or another book? Nov 05 21:59:26 We started it on the webos-internals wiki. Nov 05 21:59:30 JustinHoMi: dev.palm.com? Nov 05 21:59:40 Use The Source :P Nov 05 22:00:10 yeah, that Nov 05 22:00:10 Some of Palms docs are actually pretty nice, but yea missing holes everywhere. Like they nailed the canvas stuff which helped a lot of people. Nov 05 22:00:20 gkatsev, after going through the helloworld tutorial i decided to look elsewhere. A couple of major typos in there Nov 05 22:00:27 Hello Nov 05 22:00:29 there's webos-internals.org, there is webos101.com (we need more contributors), there's Palm... Nov 05 22:00:45 not to mention the typos have been on there for 5 months and nobody has bothered to update them Nov 05 22:00:57 I just have a question, On a mac where are the internals of the developer emuator Nov 05 22:01:02 ? Nov 05 22:01:16 hehe, doesn't work like that. Nov 05 22:01:16 JustinHoMi: templarian's komodo plugin has code completion. :) Nov 05 22:01:49 * Templarian thinks he sould figure out how the komodo devs setup that auto generate files so the autocompletion is up to 1.2. Nov 05 22:01:52 I'll check it out.. I'm really a VIM kinda guy though :) Nov 05 22:02:38 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Editors this says it has Vi key bindings. Nov 05 22:02:41 JustinHoMi: Komodo Edit is nice, the only complaint I have is that it eventually starts leaking memory on my Win box Nov 05 22:03:29 I may be late on this, but http://webchat.freenode.net/# Nov 05 22:03:33 JustinHoMi: yeah, vim is awesome. ill get around to writing the plugin within a month Nov 05 22:03:34 that's how I'm connecting right now Nov 05 22:03:43 cool i'm downloading komodo Nov 05 22:03:56 Yea it would be nice if we had plugins for all the editors. Nov 05 22:04:09 Or quick scripts for others. Nov 05 22:10:25 Taylor, the emulator creates an image file that holds all of it's stuff. I dont think you can really just browse through it. But you could install a SCP client like Cyberduck and browse that way (localhost:5522) Nov 05 22:11:09 lyht, oh is there any login info Nov 05 22:11:11 ? Nov 05 22:11:18 root Nov 05 22:11:20 and no password Nov 05 22:11:29 ill try thanks Nov 05 22:11:37 make sure to pick the SCP protocol. Nov 05 22:11:53 can do. Nov 05 22:12:10 ill try it right now. Hold on Nov 05 22:12:45 im on transmit, could scp be called anything else? Nov 05 22:13:17 I dont think transmit support SCP. Nov 05 22:13:39 k ill try cyberduck Nov 05 22:13:41 if you're using mac os x you can use scp in the Terminal Nov 05 22:13:45 ssh Nov 05 22:13:52 into it? Nov 05 22:14:00 i think in cyberduck they call it sftp ? Nov 05 22:14:10 oh, file transfer, sorry Nov 05 22:14:41 I haven't used Cyberduck, but the website says "SCP"... be interesting to know if it works. Nov 05 22:15:09 I just downloaded cyberduck now. ill try it SFTP Nov 05 22:15:34 JustinHoMi: sftp !== scp Nov 05 22:15:57 it says the info is wrong. Nov 05 22:16:06 yeah, I know they're different... but I've seen clients that use scp/sftp interchangeably Nov 05 22:16:11 Also transmit supports SFTP which also doesnt work Nov 05 22:16:20 JustinHoMi: really? weird Nov 05 22:16:27 http://twitter.com/Adora/status/5461605950 Nov 05 22:16:42 what is the scp port Nov 05 22:16:43 ??? Nov 05 22:16:48 should be 5522 Nov 05 22:16:54 scp is over ssh, so same port as ssh Nov 05 22:17:01 Adora: nifty Nov 05 22:17:01 Adora: what does that mean? Nov 05 22:17:09 so 22? Nov 05 22:17:12 5522 Nov 05 22:17:15 for the emulator Nov 05 22:17:16 and the emulator should be running of course Nov 05 22:17:19 well, the Pre uses 5522 for the emulator Nov 05 22:17:23 localhost 5522 Nov 05 22:17:31 yep its running Nov 05 22:17:42 :) Nov 05 22:17:46 hi Nov 05 22:17:50 hello Nov 05 22:17:54 DarkSpecter, hi Nov 05 22:17:59 * Templarian wonders why he even asked, since he probably can't say. Nov 05 22:18:22 the sweetness, I think it worked Nov 05 22:18:32 cooleo Nov 05 22:18:33 * Templarian didn't realise Adora is a "she" Nov 05 22:18:49 (unless he/she likes photoshop) Nov 05 22:18:50 nope "I/O Error: Unexpected end of sftp stream." Nov 05 22:19:12 i need some help, my preware is acting strange Nov 05 22:19:33 it keeps saying permission denied Nov 05 22:19:33 DarkSpecter: strange as in? Nov 05 22:19:41 when i try to install a app it wget dies with garbage content Nov 05 22:19:50 Templarian: to me, adora sounds like a female's nick. Nov 05 22:19:56 oops, new link: http://twitter.com/Adora/status/5461710669 Nov 05 22:19:56 I cant get it, Ill be back later Nov 05 22:20:08 it's ares like the god, not aries the sheep Nov 05 22:20:20 ttyl Nov 05 22:20:22 Templarian: yeah, I'm sneaky like that =] Nov 05 22:20:53 * Templarian will just imagine Adora as a sheep from now on to keep it simple. Nov 05 22:21:19 It says her name is Lisa on twitter... didn't see that. Nov 05 22:21:25 thats on a gsm pre with 1.1.3 in case that matters Nov 05 22:22:47 gkatsev: it sounds like the future of webOS... might be why we haven't seen a whole lot of breakthroughs in webkit version etc. Nov 05 22:23:17 there, finally got a link! Nov 05 22:23:20 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/181552/palm_shows_ares_webos_development_tool.html Nov 05 22:23:25 Templarian: whats the future of webos? ares? Nov 05 22:24:06 "by year's end" Nov 05 22:24:25 Yay, VS / Flex based development style. Nov 05 22:24:52 flex is nifty Nov 05 22:25:06 Drag and drop will make their apps very unified. Nov 05 22:25:24 Especially if they add new widgets etc. Nov 05 22:25:28 wild stuff Nov 05 22:25:34 * Templarian wanders off to get food. Nov 05 22:26:18 Does anybody remember all of the typos and omissions from Chapter 2 in "the" webos book? Nov 05 22:26:23 ares will be a webapp, i guess Nov 05 22:26:43 Yep. Looking at them right now Nov 05 22:26:53 JustinHoMi: lol, everyone should start calling it "the" webos book from now on. Nov 05 22:26:59 I see that he used "unreadStyle" and "unReadStyle" interchangeably, and he forgot to add feeds.js to sources.json Nov 05 22:27:48 ares sounds interesting, but I wonder if I would do better to keep plugging away like I am now and try to be more in touch with the code Nov 05 22:28:34 sugardave of course Nov 05 22:28:40 the more you know the better off you are Nov 05 22:28:52 go Joe! Nov 05 22:29:04 oh wait, that's a different PSA Nov 05 22:29:38 don't use tools to get around learning something, use tools to speed up/increase your productivity Nov 05 22:29:47 yeah, good plan Nov 05 22:29:54 FreeTim3, are you talking about the errata on the website? It doesn't have all of the errors/emissions, unfortunately... Nov 05 22:30:28 JustinHoMi: I MAY have a copy of the RSS app that I debugged Nov 05 22:30:43 but it might have been "cleansed" Nov 05 22:31:43 hahah, yeah. In fact I think there is a copy of it @ developer.palm.com. But it would be the final version... which would probably be much different than the chapter 2 version =). But it would still be useful. Nov 05 22:32:32 JustinHoMi: There are so many inaccuracies in that book I'm going to kick Mitch in the shin if I ever meet him... I had much more luck just reading the SDK examples than his book really Nov 05 22:32:32 oh right, I see what you mean Nov 05 22:32:48 I can say that here :) I'm not yet under the NDA or other pinky swear with Palm Nov 05 22:33:50 hehe. Maybe I should just forget about the book and head back to the website. Nov 05 22:33:52 ok, I won't really kick him. I'm glad he wrote it, but it was frustrating reading pages 1-100 for me Nov 05 22:34:25 JustinHoMi: nevermind, my copy of 'News' won't even run...I must have abandoned that project and moved on quickly Nov 05 22:34:44 sugardave, lol OK **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 05 22:35:36 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 05 22:46:16 2009 Nov 05 22:46:32 it's also effective at returning a string from a variable which might not be Nov 05 22:46:46 it's okay, I'm deinitely not on the "I need to have translations" level yet Nov 05 22:47:29 Rick_work: is it like mysql_real_escape_string in PHP or whatever it's called? Nov 05 22:47:39 plus translator Nov 05 22:47:40 ? Nov 05 22:49:25 can someone please explain to me why mvapp uses the -p option when copying apps to the USB drive (and then fails when it gets an error)? Nov 05 22:49:29 am I missing something Nov 05 22:49:54 i thought the USB drive by definition cannot preserve ownership attributes Nov 05 22:50:22 is -p to create missing dirs when copying/moving? Nov 05 22:51:14 Weird... I can't connect to the emulator on the mac using ssh from the terminal. novaterm goes right in. I can connect just fine on my PC. Is the port different on the mac? Nov 05 22:51:42 sugardave, -p to what ? Nov 05 22:52:00 egaudet_work: that was a ? to xcomp_ Nov 05 22:52:03 -p is supposed to preserve ownership attributes Nov 05 22:52:13 in the cp command yea Nov 05 22:52:14 well and time/date/modified as well Nov 05 22:52:19 sorry didn't read up enough Nov 05 22:52:51 basically that causes cp to complain that it can't preserve ownership, which mvapp detects and thus refuses to copy Nov 05 22:52:53 np Nov 05 22:53:22 xcomp_, I know this is a dumb question, but why use -p? Nov 05 22:54:00 same question here, actually... the good is that -p will also preserve the creation and modified times of all files Nov 05 22:54:00 ah, it's mkdir -p for "parents" that I'm thinking of Nov 05 22:54:01 sorry Nov 05 22:54:04 which might be important Nov 05 22:54:13 Or are you saying you can't get mvapp to work because it is trying to do that in the background? Nov 05 22:54:54 lyht: mvapp checks the output of the cp command when it tries to copy the app. if there is any error output it will abort, complain and delete whatever it copied over Nov 05 22:55:00 hence my problem Nov 05 22:55:03 xcomp_ tthe reason I believe is for execution Nov 05 22:55:17 execution? Nov 05 22:55:21 apps that have things with exeuction attributes Nov 05 22:55:34 since it can't be preserved will not be moved by mvapp Nov 05 22:55:36 egaudet_work: on FAT32 file everything has an x attribute Nov 05 22:55:54 mvapp has been working for me... but I can Nov 05 22:56:06 so it won't allow you to copy files when they can't be preserved, which should not be the case for most/all apps Nov 05 22:56:07 't go look at the code cause I dont remember where it is. Nov 05 22:56:09 or perhaps there's something weird with the way my /internal is mounted Nov 05 22:56:50 sorry -- scratch the last bit about x attributes Nov 05 22:57:16 egaudet_work: in my case it's aborting because cp says it can't preserve ownership Nov 05 22:57:28 ahhhhh ... I know why Nov 05 22:57:45 I have internal mounted with my UID Nov 05 22:58:00 aha Nov 05 22:58:29 because otherwise I can't use sshfs/fuse to copy stuff back and forth Nov 05 22:58:50 so when it copies, it ends up with a different UID and complains Nov 05 22:59:04 hmm... now to find a workaround Nov 05 22:59:21 are you on a mac? Nov 05 22:59:36 i'm on a pc right now but I use linux at home Nov 05 22:59:43 why use sshfs to /media/internal/ ? Nov 05 23:00:20 because it's the most convenient thing with usbnet Nov 05 23:00:27 oh you mean for copy to /media/internal/ it gets different UIDa nd complains? Nov 05 23:00:47 yeah what happens is Nov 05 23:00:55 I have my sshfs too Nov 05 23:01:05 when the file arrives on /media/internal, the UID ends up being mine instead of root Nov 05 23:01:21 so cp sees that the original UID and destination UID are not the same Nov 05 23:01:29 and thus complains that it can't preserve ownership Nov 05 23:01:30 oh I have mine sshfs as root with ssh key Nov 05 23:03:48 generally when I'm trying to copy a directory tree from one point to another Nov 05 23:03:52 I use tar instead of cp Nov 05 23:04:39 e.g. tar cf - | tar -C -xf - Nov 05 23:04:52 why? Nov 05 23:05:02 it's faster, for one Nov 05 23:05:04 Hmm, this Ares thing sounds interesting. Nov 05 23:05:12 especially with large directories with lots of files Nov 05 23:05:17 how is it faster? Nov 05 23:05:24 Although, it could conceivably just lead to even more crap apps. Nov 05 23:05:36 at least over network connections it is Nov 05 23:06:02 it is basically like copying one big file instead of multiple small files Nov 05 23:06:21 NcFTP uses the same tactic to speed up directory transfers Nov 05 23:06:31 on FTP servers that support it Nov 05 23:06:57 ahh ok Nov 05 23:07:01 the other advantage of tar is that it preserves all attributes as much as possible automatically Nov 05 23:07:17 will tar -xf complain if it can't though? Nov 05 23:07:28 it should Nov 05 23:08:24 yeah ... I just verified that Nov 05 23:08:25 regarding ares... honestly I'd much rather see them cater more towards c/java/low-level developers rather than continue to cater to web developers Nov 05 23:08:36 but yea I use ssh as root with keys to my pre Nov 05 23:08:49 you could also use novacom get/put if you wanted Nov 05 23:10:07 alright gonna head home Nov 05 23:12:22 Hey Taylor Nov 05 23:12:35 Hey I just have 2 questions. 1 at a time. How do you uninstall apps from the virtual palm pre Nov 05 23:12:41 Howdy Nov 05 23:12:51 hold down alt while clicking on the icon Nov 05 23:13:16 I haven Nov 05 23:13:21 t tried it on a mac Nov 05 23:13:27 should be option key? Nov 05 23:13:28 wow, I did not know that Nov 05 23:13:32 cool Nov 05 23:13:44 yah, that works Nov 05 23:13:53 yep, I was able to fix it Nov 05 23:13:57 cool I have hello world with that ugly icon stuck but now its gone Nov 05 23:14:39 now back to ssh Nov 05 23:14:52 I tried all kinds of clients on the mac Nov 05 23:14:57 nothing worked Nov 05 23:15:02 le bummer. Nov 05 23:15:04 instead of cp -rp $VAR/$APP $MEDIA, I use cd $VAR; tar -cf - $APP | tar -C $MEDIA -xf - Nov 05 23:15:05 so then I tried connecting with the terminal Nov 05 23:15:12 and.... Nov 05 23:15:15 that didn't work either. Does it work for you? Nov 05 23:15:27 just ssh root@localhost:5522 Nov 05 23:15:29 nope, I just though I ws doing it wrong Nov 05 23:15:45 ssh: Could not resolve hostname localhost:5522: nodename nor servname provided, or not known Nov 05 23:15:50 Same for me. Nov 05 23:16:01 is it documented anywhere Nov 05 23:16:03 I dont know what the emulator is doing on the mac. Nov 05 23:16:13 is it documented anywhere Nov 05 23:16:16 dont know. Nov 05 23:16:28 isn't it ssh -p 5522 root@localhost ? Nov 05 23:16:34 or ssh -P 5522 root@localhost ? Nov 05 23:16:48 I dont know ill try Nov 05 23:17:09 oh yah... Nov 05 23:17:13 thanks it worked! Nov 05 23:17:17 sure :) Nov 05 23:17:19 i forgot the -p thingie. Nov 05 23:17:32 you can also just type in novaterm Nov 05 23:17:38 goes right in. Nov 05 23:17:38 now for the big question Nov 05 23:17:46 file access? Nov 05 23:17:56 file transfer? Nov 05 23:18:08 well visual access Nov 05 23:18:48 none of the programs I tried would work. Nov 05 23:18:56 Do they work on windows? Nov 05 23:19:00 yes Nov 05 23:19:01 So you mean you want a gui to be able to transfer files back and forth? Nov 05 23:19:06 well, winscp works Nov 05 23:19:08 winscp works great. Nov 05 23:19:15 and you can copy it somewhere and then view it Nov 05 23:19:32 man, we are all ON TOP OF IT Nov 05 23:19:34 i use SSH Secure Shell, if you can still find the free copy Nov 05 23:19:42 it does ssh and scp Nov 05 23:20:07 ill look. why does finder not work. it allows scp:// Nov 05 23:20:08 you can also use cygwin shell, works great Nov 05 23:20:30 does an scp server or something need to be started on the pre? scp doesn't seem to work out of the box Nov 05 23:20:45 I dont know Nov 05 23:20:48 (I thought scp was a functionality of the ssh server) Nov 05 23:20:50 JustinHoMi: you have to be in developer mode on the device Nov 05 23:21:15 which the emulator is by default, right? Nov 05 23:21:25 yes Nov 05 23:21:52 JustinHoMi: plus, there's not actually sshd on the pre device Nov 05 23:22:00 I think....you have to install optware packages Nov 05 23:22:08 I wish this was like the iphone SDK Nov 05 23:22:24 *gasp* Nov 05 23:22:25 Taylor: what's it like? Nov 05 23:22:36 ah, dropbear doesn't support scp? Nov 05 23:22:47 * ElVox has objective-c nightmares Nov 05 23:22:50 no not the stuff the file arrangement *ungasp* Nov 05 23:23:13 stuff being a VERY general term Nov 05 23:23:32 JustinHoMi: no, that's right...sftp or you have to install an extra package? it's been awhile since I've done any of that.... Nov 05 23:23:42 hehe its ok, taylor the hangings are scheduled for tomorrow anyway :D Nov 05 23:23:43 gotcha Nov 05 23:23:51 ive gotta say though the iPhone SDK is much more polished Nov 05 23:24:00 i just calls it as I sees it Nov 05 23:24:07 oha, too much lines to read Nov 05 23:24:10 I never did figure out C Nov 05 23:24:14 Taylor: how long has it been out? Nov 05 23:24:17 Taylor, I imagine, Been out for two years now. Nov 05 23:24:50 i guess, hopefully the webOS sdk will be as good someday Nov 05 23:25:29 as you can see i am a experienced web dev but a webOS dev n00b Nov 05 23:25:46 Before I get too far into thinking I'm crazy...does anyone know of a list of any features or widget configuration options that the emulator just might not support? Nov 05 23:27:00 documentation? you're crazy! Nov 05 23:27:17 Clearly I've already gone too far into thinking I'm crazy... Nov 05 23:27:19 webOS is my first experience writing applications, and I must say I'm pretty impressed Nov 05 23:27:33 Sloloem: what are you trying to do? Nov 05 23:27:39 Taylor, if you really need to be able to browse the emulator, you could always go to webos internals and follow a tutorial for installing an FTP server or sftp server. That way any-old-client should work Nov 05 23:27:48 sugardave, like writing apps...at all? Nov 05 23:28:05 we may be on the verge of a breakthrough H.O. Nov 05 23:28:16 ElVox: oh man, if _I_ can write an app, anybody can write one :D Nov 05 23:28:46 or you could play with sshfs on macFUSE... no clue if that would help at all or not. Nov 05 23:28:51 http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/wiki/MACFUSE_FS_SSHFS Nov 05 23:28:55 sugardave: you should learn C Nov 05 23:29:15 why would you hate someone like that MetaView Nov 05 23:29:16 no body should learn C lol (my first language) Nov 05 23:29:20 MetaView: I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request. Nov 05 23:29:34 means "no" Nov 05 23:29:36 what's wrong with C? Nov 05 23:29:56 it's a nice language, allows you to do almost everything Nov 05 23:29:57 mental block, I was supposed to learn C in college and I was terrible in college Nov 05 23:30:00 C is awesome and should never die! NEVER! Nov 05 23:30:05 sugardave you should learn ruby...its simply beautify (skip rails, try using ruby as a shell) you will be in love for the rest of your life Nov 05 23:30:23 oh come on, nothing's as pretty as python... Nov 05 23:30:34 i tried c Metaview, I dont want to talk about it Nov 05 23:30:35 programming shouldn't be beautiful in the first case Nov 05 23:30:41 HTML FTW Nov 05 23:30:45 hm Nov 05 23:30:49 kick it oldschoo; Nov 05 23:30:54 Pascal? That's the only other one I used to know Nov 05 23:30:59 and really basic BASIC Nov 05 23:31:00 sugardave, I'm using show dialog to load up a dialog that has a few buttons and a single TextField widget. I'm trying to autofocus on that textfield so I don't have to click to start typing. I set autoFocus: true when I do setupWidget(), but it just doesn't. It respects the rest of the config. I'm wondering if maybe the emulator just won't do it for whatever reason. Nov 05 23:31:01 Weeeee, language debate! Nov 05 23:31:02 * MetaView is soo 80s style Nov 05 23:31:05 c is basically just a cross platform assembly language with blocks Nov 05 23:31:18 pascal is a good learning step for c Nov 05 23:31:37 pascal! ahhh Nov 05 23:31:45 Sloloem: there is a call for making a field autofocus Nov 05 23:31:50 * ElVox memories of 255 charactor limit strings Nov 05 23:31:50 Sloloem: I had trouble focusing a text field in my regular scene html, hang on and let me see what I did Nov 05 23:32:09 Mojo.xyz.autofocus or what ever Nov 05 23:32:15 BASIC!!! Nov 05 23:32:27 Modula Nov 05 23:32:29 !!! Nov 05 23:32:34 PHP Nov 05 23:32:37 PL1 Nov 05 23:32:41 is ok Nov 05 23:32:41 Cobol Nov 05 23:32:44 MetaView, not the autoFocus attribute? Nov 05 23:32:45 :D Nov 05 23:32:49 no Nov 05 23:32:50 i never understood why I had to put in line numbers in basic if the #1 thing a computer can do is count... Nov 05 23:32:53 something different Nov 05 23:33:01 Sloloem: focusMode: Mojo.Widget.focusSelectMode in the attributes object Nov 05 23:33:05 I hear they're going to add fortran support to the Pre Nov 05 23:33:17 Something just hit me when they were talking about adding Komodo as an optional editor... Ares is what they were so busy with. lol... just hit me. Nov 05 23:33:24 there are a couple different ones, and they have different default behaviors Nov 05 23:33:24 this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement('ende'); Nov 05 23:33:40 FORTRAN. newbs. Nov 05 23:33:46 sugardave, that's to make it select all the text in the field when it DOES focus. Nov 05 23:33:53 MetaView, where does that go, in activate? Nov 05 23:33:54 i wish they'd just concentrate on finishing the regular SDK before getting Ares working Nov 05 23:33:56 +haeffb Nov 05 23:33:57 ah, right Nov 05 23:33:59 sorry Nov 05 23:34:01 Chuq made it sound like they were rediculously busy on a project... turns out he wasn't kidding. Nov 05 23:34:11 I have it in setup Nov 05 23:34:12 seeing as I am a noobie i have a question, is webOS hard to program if you already know HTML,CSS,PHP. WHat do I have to learn Nov 05 23:34:22 Taylor, Javascript Nov 05 23:34:26 Taylor: it's really easy. Nov 05 23:34:28 Forgot JS Nov 05 23:34:39 HTML,CSS,PHP and JS Nov 05 23:34:43 Taylor: you need to learn prototype Nov 05 23:34:46 I think MetaView got it, mine's in setup as well Nov 05 23:34:48 Just getting used to the framework... Nov 05 23:34:52 Is it as easy as it sounds Nov 05 23:34:54 ????? Nov 05 23:34:58 yes Nov 05 23:35:06 they really didn't try to make it hard. Nov 05 23:35:07 yes Nov 05 23:35:11 but you can't have real file support Nov 05 23:35:12 Taylor: yes, it's easy Nov 05 23:35:17 kewl. I would love to make a twitter app Nov 05 23:35:24 oh, another one Nov 05 23:35:26 i dont know of any free ones Nov 05 23:35:29 The SDK just lacks everything you may need... unless your app is simple... hehe. Nov 05 23:35:33 I make mine workable in Classic Nov 05 23:35:49 Spaz is open source I guess Nov 05 23:35:49 well MetaView what are some free ones Nov 05 23:35:51 ? Nov 05 23:36:03 Ill BBIAB Nov 05 23:36:10 TTYIB Nov 05 23:36:14 ? Nov 05 23:36:19 MetaView, that didn't work. Do you do it before or after setupWidget()? Nov 05 23:36:26 after Nov 05 23:36:33 is the last in setup Nov 05 23:36:39 Huh Nov 05 23:36:44 I use it in Consumption Calculator Nov 05 23:37:27 and I have autofocus: true in the attributrews Nov 05 23:37:43 And the string you pass it is the ID of the HTML element? Nov 05 23:37:48 this.controller.setupWidget("ende", Nov 05 23:37:48 this.attributes = { Nov 05 23:37:48 multiline: false, Nov 05 23:37:48 enterSubmits: false, Nov 05 23:37:48 modifierState: Mojo.Widget.numLock, Nov 05 23:37:49 charsAllow: this.onlyNumbersAllowed.bind(this), Nov 05 23:37:51 focusMode: Mojo.Widget.focusSelectMode, Nov 05 23:37:53 autofocus: true Nov 05 23:37:55 }, Nov 05 23:37:57 this.model = { Nov 05 23:37:59 value: "0", Nov 05 23:38:01 disabled: false Nov 05 23:38:03 }); Nov 05 23:38:05 this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement('ende'); Nov 05 23:38:09 ende is the ID Nov 05 23:38:16 and it works Nov 05 23:38:36 I can't move the focus, but the initial focus is correct Nov 05 23:38:38 wait wait wait... my eyes my eyes LOL... please use pastebin Nov 05 23:38:41 +1 MetaView. I've done similar Nov 05 23:38:45 Wow that's almost exactly what I'm doing. Nov 05 23:38:50 FreeTim3: sry Nov 05 23:38:58 :D Nov 05 23:39:21 whoa, somebody spilled some characters all over my screen Nov 05 23:39:34 my screen is bigger Nov 05 23:39:52 well, uh....hmmm....okay Nov 05 23:39:58 oh oh I have to get up in 6 hours Nov 05 23:40:14 should finish my beer Nov 05 23:40:26 Yes. You must not disrespect beer. Nov 05 23:41:22 Sloloem: if I do NOT call this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement(null) in my scene setup (before widget setup), it DOES autofocus and select text there Nov 05 23:41:28 it might be a dialog thing Nov 05 23:42:32 IMB Nov 05 23:42:50 BTW that "breakthrough" didnt work Nov 05 23:43:21 Question: Where is the img that the emulator work off of? Nov 05 23:43:56 Mine is in the VirtualBox dirs I think Nov 05 23:44:28 is that just inside the virbox app in MacOS Nov 05 23:44:30 ??? Nov 05 23:44:30 nope, scratch that Nov 05 23:44:50 oh k. then where is it? Nov 05 23:45:27 in Windows it's: C:\Program Files\Palm\SDK\share\emulator\images Nov 05 23:45:35 zipped Nov 05 23:45:53 oh do you know where in mac? Nov 05 23:45:59 Anybody? Nov 05 23:46:00 no Nov 05 23:46:19 does anyone know Nov 05 23:46:49 Search for something like "Palm*SDK*vmdk*" Nov 05 23:48:33 found it Nov 05 23:48:38 the dropbox folder is complete, right? Nov 05 23:49:04 /opt/PalmSDK Nov 05 23:49:24 MetaView: I can't guarantee that Nov 05 23:49:39 I've decided to just use the web page Nov 05 23:49:40 but it looks like Nov 05 23:49:54 now, my HD is full, oh well Nov 05 23:51:00 do you guys/girls, any girls? think that the SDK will one day have a build and run option like the iPhone SDK Nov 05 23:51:46 Taylor: Komodo Edit and Templarian's extension let you do just that, and I guess Eclipse does, too Nov 05 23:52:00 and then there's this Ares thing they're talking about today Nov 05 23:52:59 so nothing like Xcode though? Nov 05 23:53:22 I don't know what that is Nov 05 23:53:51 the program that all iphone apps are dev'd on Nov 05 23:54:20 Komodo is just build&run Nov 05 23:54:45 run in simu or run on device Nov 05 23:54:52 Eclipse is one button to run. Nov 05 23:54:53 very easy Nov 05 23:55:15 im getting eclipse right now, 5 minutes to go Nov 05 23:55:23 and, in WebOS you don't need to do any magic to try it on the device Nov 05 23:55:35 awww, I like magic Nov 05 23:55:41 magic is good Nov 05 23:55:46 Taylor: Komodo is better... if you are picking one. Nov 05 23:55:47 I favor Komodo (thx Templarian) on Eclipse Nov 05 23:56:00 really ill try it Nov 05 23:56:10 illtry both even better! Nov 05 23:56:20 do it Nov 05 23:56:43 moving tomtom maps from one partition to another Nov 05 23:57:00 That ares thing is it Java based? Nov 05 23:57:01 I started with Eclipse. Tried to use Komodo twice, and never could get stuff going properly. It's always been easier for me to just go back to Eclipse. Nov 05 23:57:37 haeffb: theres full documentation... installing the addon is only drag and drop... hmm. Nov 05 23:57:44 well ill try, i gotta skadaddle in a few but ill give them a shot Nov 05 23:58:01 documentation? who has time for that? Nov 05 23:58:20 Nov 05 23:58:27 hehe (my site has it, and webos-internals people wrote a long version with screenshots). Nov 05 23:59:12 i wonder if there will ever be proper documentation Nov 06 00:00:42 I really hope so, it's a pretty small framework it's not like it's a ton to document... Nov 06 00:03:46 Templarian: could you in any way fix the input control height inthe app properties in komodo? Nov 06 00:03:56 does komodo edit have an outline mode that lists all your functions like in eclipse? Nov 06 00:04:11 the controls are too small and the border is too big Nov 06 00:04:27 bmyers: something I ask myself all the time Nov 06 00:04:36 what is it that 'x-mojo-loc=""' does? Nov 06 00:04:37 without an answer (except no) Nov 06 00:04:37 its real handy Nov 06 00:04:57 bmyers: I don't think so Nov 06 00:05:06 komo edit here not ide Nov 06 00:05:18 yeah, me too Nov 06 00:05:22 bmyers: actually yea it's a add-on. Nov 06 00:05:35 o.. Nov 06 00:05:47 And yea IDE comes with it's own varitation of the add-on. Nov 06 00:06:07 got a keyword for me Templarian? Nov 06 00:06:14 i'm getting a link Nov 06 00:06:22 thank you Nov 06 00:06:37 its the only thing i miss really from eclipse Nov 06 00:06:46 i got used to eclipse during the treo years Nov 06 00:06:46 * MetaView is interesting too Nov 06 00:06:59 after the link I go to bed Nov 06 00:07:13 http://community.activestate.com/addons one of these... forget which one. Nov 06 00:07:18 I will be as tired as my daughter tomorrow Nov 06 00:08:09 thanks Templarian Nov 06 00:10:07 I wish someone could make a Espresso Sugar for webOS. That would make my day Nov 06 00:11:40 i gotta skedadle thanks for all the help, ill be back tomorrow Nov 06 00:11:48 XBL Tree? Nov 06 00:12:01 Maybe... Nov 06 00:12:24 that doesnt look right.. still digging thru 5 pages of addons Nov 06 00:12:44 bmyers: tell me if you found it Nov 06 00:13:23 still looking.. some cools ones.. Nov 06 00:14:07 yes, but nothing really fitting Nov 06 00:14:48 Manage any SQLite database on your computer. Nov 06 00:14:58 that might be handy.. Nov 06 00:15:05 but still looking for the other one Nov 06 00:15:21 source tree? Nov 06 00:15:33 This simple extension for Komodo Edit adds a new tab with the list of the functions, classes and methods of the current file, double clicking an item moves you to the line of that item. Can now also filter items on the tree. Nov 06 00:15:50 must be the one.. Nov 06 00:16:05 sounds like Nov 06 00:16:26 and looks like Nov 06 00:16:38 hopefully it will work with the prototype stuff Nov 06 00:17:25 You might have to include the prototype framework or enable it. Nov 06 00:17:54 It's included just not enabled. Nov 06 00:18:23 Edit > Preferences > Code Completion, same place mojo is added. Nov 06 00:19:11 that'll be nice.. Nov 06 00:21:30 bmeyers: what is this komodo edit extension that you speak of? with the tabs etc.. Nov 06 00:22:34 nevermind . found it. Nov 06 00:23:09 well i have it install... now i have to find it.. Nov 06 00:24:01 I can't Nov 06 00:24:03 find it Nov 06 00:24:47 probably under view tabs and sidebar? Nov 06 00:25:44 justr project and toolbox Nov 06 00:26:29 u can click on "show specific side bar/tab Nov 06 00:26:47 but its not working. it doesnt show all the functions in the assistant Nov 06 00:27:00 where to click? Nov 06 00:27:09 one of the button in the bar Nov 06 00:27:13 one of the buttons in the bar Nov 06 00:27:25 ok Nov 06 00:27:30 mouse over and look for show spefici blah blah blah Nov 06 00:27:33 right it only shows the class ? Nov 06 00:27:36 yeah there Nov 06 00:27:52 u want to buy a vowel j ? Nov 06 00:28:02 test Nov 06 00:28:37 MetaView: is it working for u? Nov 06 00:28:51 anyone have a 1.2.1 emulator running right now? need you to run a test for me pls. Nov 06 00:29:39 hello Nov 06 00:29:42 * haeffb has 1.2.1 Nov 06 00:29:42 does anyone know how to create a button on a fixed header like in the tasks app? Nov 06 00:30:08 Ive ran a pushScene from another assistant and the emulator locks up. However, no errors are displayed. any ideas? Nov 06 00:31:19 bmyers: no, only the class is shown Nov 06 00:31:32 a click brings me to the contructor Nov 06 00:31:37 well that sux Nov 06 00:31:42 yeap Nov 06 00:31:51 must be doing something wrong. Nov 06 00:31:57 but eclpise is a monster Nov 06 00:32:14 it is written in java right? Nov 06 00:32:21 if you find somthing , let me know, I'm oof, g'night Nov 06 00:32:25 it really does work nincely i think Nov 06 00:32:29 sure Nov 06 00:32:32 l8r MetaView Nov 06 00:32:39 yeap Nov 06 00:33:07 @Guest31257: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=361 is a post on dev forum. Haven't tried it myself. Nov 06 00:33:21 <_droO> ive done it Guest31257 Nov 06 00:33:26 <_droO> theres an example within the UIWidgets app Nov 06 00:33:43 where? Nov 06 00:33:45 <_droO> datafirm-whats ur prob? Nov 06 00:33:48 <_droO> its um lms Nov 06 00:33:57 _droO: wish I knew.. ;) Nov 06 00:34:31 <_droO> its a view menu Nov 06 00:34:32 <_droO> or command menu Nov 06 00:34:34 <_droO> is what you want Nov 06 00:34:45 <_droO> datafirm-so ur prob is pushing a scene? Nov 06 00:34:53 _droO: from another scene Nov 06 00:35:03 <_droO> should be fine Nov 06 00:35:10 thought so Nov 06 00:35:12 <_droO> can u pastebin? ill look at it Nov 06 00:35:32 pretty sraight forward.. Nov 06 00:35:33 Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene('profile'); Nov 06 00:36:00 <_droO> can u do this.stageController.pushScene('profile'); Nov 06 00:36:06 <_droO> since ur doing this within another scene? Nov 06 00:36:25 MetaView: Source Tree has partial Javascript method identification Nov 06 00:36:46 _droO: I'll give that a shot Nov 06 00:36:48 <_droO> see if that works datafirm, if not ill be back in 2secs Nov 06 00:37:51 <_droO> or maybe this.sceneController.pushScene Nov 06 00:37:59 <_droO> er nm it'd be stage i think Nov 06 00:39:35 its this.controller.stageController Nov 06 00:39:38 but its the same issue Nov 06 00:40:24 <_droO> just freezes up & doesnt push scene? Nov 06 00:44:43 _droO: correct. I need to close the app through the command line Nov 06 00:44:59 <_droO> just hit escape and throw it off emu screen Nov 06 00:45:02 <_droO> like u would on device Nov 06 00:45:03 <_droO> :/ Nov 06 00:45:12 is there a way to access the data item of a palm-list row? Nov 06 00:45:18 _droO: cant Nov 06 00:45:26 its locks that up. Nov 06 00:45:51 hit Home and throw it off? Nov 06 00:46:18 haeffb: ahh.. home key works. Nov 06 00:46:21 <_droO> datafirm Nov 06 00:46:27 <_droO> i think ur code for pushScene is fine Nov 06 00:46:28 interesting that the esc key is locked out. Nov 06 00:46:31 <_droO> maybe its the scene ur trying to push? Nov 06 00:46:42 _droO: its an empty palm template scene Nov 06 00:46:50 I think the app captures esc. But not home. Nov 06 00:46:54 <_droO> add something to it Nov 06 00:46:58 <_droO> add something in the html Nov 06 00:47:04 haeffb: so the app is locked up.. but no errors. Nov 06 00:47:05 <_droO> and something to the scene assistant Nov 06 00:47:28 what data item in palm-list? Nov 06 00:47:36 <_droO> ive had issues pushing blank scenes Nov 06 00:47:49 haeffb: the model for the row. Nov 06 00:48:11 <_droO> but ya, if u just did a palm template scene Nov 06 00:48:13 im capturing other events from the row, not the row tap. I want to access the model from that row Nov 06 00:48:27 on, for example, list-tap? Nov 06 00:48:30 <_droO> you need to add something to it before you can push Nov 06 00:48:42 <_droO> because the html is empty in views Nov 06 00:48:56 _droO: it has that default.. "you can find me here" text Nov 06 00:49:05 <_droO> yes Nov 06 00:49:08 <_droO> and thats ur prob mang Nov 06 00:49:15 <_droO> add a header div Nov 06 00:49:17 <_droO> or somethin Nov 06 00:49:18 <_droO> and push again Nov 06 00:49:19 what events? Nov 06 00:49:26 _droO: nope.. still the same issue. Nov 06 00:49:43 <_droO> try like Nov 06 00:49:50 <_droO> var = this.controller; Nov 06 00:49:53 haeffb: click for example. I can capture the events.. but Im needing to push another scene and pass some data that is in the model from that list item Nov 06 00:50:04 <_droO> var.stageController.pushScene('profile'); Nov 06 00:50:47 <_droO> its probably a problem with the scene you're trying to push to. Nov 06 00:50:53 haeffb: Like the event has the target of the dom node (the list row) but how can I access the data/model for that row? Nov 06 00:50:54 <_droO> im thinking tho Nov 06 00:51:09 _droO: Yeah.. its just an empty scene.. so it should be good. Nov 06 00:51:15 <_droO> but thats not fine Nov 06 00:51:22 <_droO> ive ALWAYS had issues Nov 06 00:51:25 <_droO> pushing to a blank scene Nov 06 00:51:29 myListModel.items[event.index] Nov 06 00:51:54 haeffb: thanks! Nov 06 00:52:12 myListModel.items[event.index].whateverproperty Nov 06 00:52:55 <_droO> if all you have is an empty html saying 'find me in blah' and a blank scene assistant, i dont think it will push ;/ Nov 06 00:54:05 haeffb: I wonder if the event.index exits since im not using the Mojo events system. Nov 06 00:54:10 I'll have to check that out. Nov 06 00:54:23 _droO: why not? it has before. Nov 06 00:54:27 hmm Nov 06 00:54:31 <_droO> because the html file Nov 06 00:54:34 <_droO> is basically what ur pushing Nov 06 00:54:38 <_droO> and theres nothing in it Nov 06 00:54:45 <_droO> and the controller jus controls that html Nov 06 00:54:48 that I don't know. why not use Mojo events? Nov 06 00:55:33 <_droO> er assistant* Nov 06 00:55:58 haeffb: I like the Ext Core events system better. Nov 06 00:56:16 haeffb: can assign events filters and delegation for container elements. Nov 06 00:56:46 <_droO> and datafirm, if by when it worked before, u meant that u got a 'this page verifies your app is running' thats not the scene Nov 06 00:57:00 _droO: no, the "find this scene here" text Nov 06 00:57:12 _droO: its real text, why would it not display? Nov 06 00:57:14 hmm Nov 06 00:57:19 <_droO> because u need some sort of div Nov 06 00:57:20 <_droO> or html tags Nov 06 00:57:46 <_droO> try this Nov 06 00:57:53 <_droO> add a simple button widget to ur scene html Nov 06 00:57:58 <_droO> and add it to assistant Nov 06 00:58:00 <_droO> and then try to push Nov 06 00:58:31 <_droO> or even just add a palm-header Nov 06 00:58:57 ok Nov 06 01:00:15 _droO: same issue Nov 06 01:00:29 <_droO> u shouldnt Nov 06 01:00:33 what r u trying to do? Nov 06 01:00:43 <_droO> can i see the exact contents of ur profile-assistant.js & the html Nov 06 01:00:49 <_droO> hes trying to push a blank scene from another scene Nov 06 01:00:54 paste bin Nov 06 01:00:59 <_droO> and its not pushing, im thinking because the scene hes pushing to is blank Nov 06 01:01:23 if the html has stuff in it, you'll see that much on the new scene Nov 06 01:01:33 bmyers: yeah. but it locks the app up. Nov 06 01:01:39 <_droO> if it has the comment /find me in blahblahblah/ Nov 06 01:01:40 take stuff out Nov 06 01:01:41 its a new and empy scene from a palm template Nov 06 01:01:42 <_droO> and thats it Nov 06 01:01:49 <_droO> u need to add atleast something to it Nov 06 01:02:00 pastebin..... Nov 06 01:02:53 or do Mojo.Log.info( "I'm Here"); every few lines from where you think its crashing Nov 06 01:03:06 <_droO> its just not pushing Nov 06 01:03:16 and log .com.whatever.myapp Nov 06 01:03:16 <_droO> im guessing he'd get the log right before hes pushing it Nov 06 01:03:23 <_droO> but the push itself looks fine Nov 06 01:03:25 haeffb: that event.index only comes from the list-tap event, correct? I need to get the index from another event that is dispatched from the list-row Nov 06 01:03:27 <_droO> thats why im guessing its the scene Nov 06 01:03:34 there is nothing in the setup of the new scene? Nov 06 01:03:40 <_droO> no! Nov 06 01:03:40 <_droO> lol Nov 06 01:03:43 <_droO> the html is blank Nov 06 01:03:45 bmyers: I have.. it wont call the setup function of the pushed scene Nov 06 01:03:51 <_droO> its a blank eclipse scene template Nov 06 01:03:54 <_droO> when u add scene in eclipse Nov 06 01:04:03 _droO: I dont use eclipse Nov 06 01:04:09 <_droO> oh Nov 06 01:04:12 <_droO> well its probably the same Nov 06 01:04:24 <_droO> since eclipse uses the sdk .bat Nov 06 01:04:25 <_droO> or whatev Nov 06 01:04:26 so all the methods of the new scene are blank? Nov 06 01:04:34 the scene is fine.. there is text in there and it should be displaying.. it will if its pused from the stagecontroller.. not from this other view though Nov 06 01:04:47 maybe its because Im not using the mojo events syetm Nov 06 01:04:48 s Nov 06 01:04:49 system Nov 06 01:05:03 bmyers: no, I have a Log cal in the setup on the new scene Nov 06 01:05:09 <_droO> oh, i didnt realized it pushed fine from stage assistant Nov 06 01:05:13 <_droO> just not scene -> scene Nov 06 01:05:46 Its gotta be an issue with this event Im using.. I'll try the Mojo events. Nov 06 01:05:58 log cal? Nov 06 01:06:19 call? Nov 06 01:06:27 <_droO> can u pastebin still? Nov 06 01:06:40 <_droO> the scene itself & where ur pushing to it Nov 06 01:06:54 nodnod Nov 06 01:07:08 * haeffb confirms you can push a blank scene... Nov 06 01:07:19 <_droO> i couldnt : Nov 06 01:07:22 <_droO> i couldnt :/ Nov 06 01:07:34 heh, im able to push one.. just not from this other scene Nov 06 01:07:42 when you're in a scene, make sure you use this.controller.stageController.pushScene and not this.controller.pushScene Nov 06 01:07:58 sugardave: I am Nov 06 01:08:01 k Nov 06 01:08:05 thanks Nov 06 01:09:59 <_droO> well, if u figure it out datafirm lmk why it was doing that ;o Nov 06 01:10:05 <_droO> because i have no clue why its not pushing then Nov 06 01:15:17 hi all! Nov 06 01:15:25 <_droO> hi Nov 06 01:57:16 * haeffb hears crickets Nov 06 02:11:28 hmm, think I'm going to buy newsroom, I could really use a decent rss reader Nov 06 02:12:09 I have returned Nov 06 02:13:12 wish I could buy apps through paypal, have to transfer money back to my account to buy the app >> Nov 06 02:18:27 bmyers: ping Nov 06 02:21:41 packet loss: 100% Nov 06 02:21:45 no doubt Nov 06 02:22:13 anybody got the quick answer to WHERE in the collapsible "table div hybrid" you put your List div? Nov 06 02:23:17 hola muchachos! Nov 06 02:23:24 hi JenP Nov 06 02:23:39 heya sugardave Nov 06 02:26:17 what you doing sugardave? Nov 06 02:27:08 bmyers: weren't you working with collapsible dividers the other day? Nov 06 02:27:35 yes thats why i ask Nov 06 02:27:42 i got them working quite well now.. Nov 06 02:27:57 ah, sorry :D I have a fixed length list that I want to hide in the collapsible div Nov 06 02:28:13 ok Nov 06 02:28:26 JenP: buenas! Nov 06 02:28:32 and I don't know where to put the list widget div Nov 06 02:28:42 heeee hi Giotto Nov 06 02:29:18 itemTemplate: 'entry' Nov 06 02:29:25 u got one of those? Nov 06 02:30:09 I have that for my list, it's named something else, though Nov 06 02:30:46 thats fine Nov 06 02:31:36 u have the divider too right? Nov 06 02:32:24 wait wait wait...is there an attribute/model for these tables that aren't widgets for collapsible Nov 06 02:32:47 because I only have attrs/model for my list...the collapsible table thing is all in html Nov 06 02:32:55 and it's not a widget Nov 06 02:34:27 that correct Nov 06 02:34:50 you basically listen for a tap on the arrows which is a DIV Nov 06 02:34:58 then no, I don't have a divider property Nov 06 02:35:06 oh Nov 06 02:35:15 then unhide the list? Nov 06 02:35:28 or populate it Nov 06 02:35:33 I mean Nov 06 02:35:55 dividerTemplate: 'divider', Nov 06 02:35:55 dividerFunction: this.exampleCategory, Nov 06 02:36:31 got those attributes in you list attr? Nov 06 02:37:17 no, but now I see....I need to move the table out of the main scene html into its own file to set as the property for the list Nov 06 02:37:20 ? Nov 06 02:37:38 and I need to look up what dividerFunction does Nov 06 02:37:42 yes Nov 06 02:37:49 alright, thanks! Nov 06 02:38:08 yw Nov 06 02:39:30 u also need to attach a handler to each of the collapsible dividers Nov 06 02:40:32
Nov 06 02:40:38 in the list template Nov 06 02:41:02 I was going to try and get away without using the list template, and just have an item template Nov 06 02:41:14 in there then.. Nov 06 02:41:22 For now, I just need to display entries, don't need to do anything with them Nov 06 02:41:36 thats fine. key it off the itemTemplate Nov 06 02:41:58 alright, I'll see if I can't put all this together Nov 06 02:42:19 in a nutshell. you get a tap in id="element#{id} Nov 06 02:42:32 which will end up as id="element1" Nov 06 02:42:48 from the DIV tap Nov 06 02:43:08 so you pack or unpack that div and the elements Nov 06 02:43:52 you're gonna love it... ;) enjoy.. Nov 06 02:44:16 did u look at stylematters? Nov 06 02:46:13 hey .. does anyone who uses google reader for rss feeds know how to make te mobile version of their site not automatically use googles formating for mobile when following a feed link? Nov 06 02:47:26 nm found it Nov 06 02:47:56 bmyers: in fact, I did look at style matters and it did nothing but confuse the $#@% out of me Nov 06 02:48:27 See? Less time on database...more time on other things... Nov 06 02:49:31 de-classify the stylematters example Nov 06 02:49:40 reality9110: I've got my "good enough" set of db objects/methods that I don't have to worry about it any more :D Nov 06 02:49:59 into a regular looking assistant Nov 06 02:50:45 sugardave: Well, jeez. About time. I'm almost done with the second app. Nov 06 02:50:48 reality9110: another question I have for you, since I don't seem to be registering clicks (which is good because I was really clicking a lot, I think)...can you send the click as a post, or does it have to be a get? Nov 06 02:52:11 reality9110: wrong paste...what is your second app? Nov 06 02:53:22 stick around and I'll be sending it out for beta testing. Nov 06 02:53:55 cool Nov 06 02:54:15 give me another hour... Nov 06 02:56:43 I will definitely be up Nov 06 02:56:50 have any of you looked at google's closure? Nov 06 02:57:10 closure? google is ending relationships now? Nov 06 02:57:12 ;x Nov 06 02:57:28 * sugardave struggles to understand. Nov 06 02:57:58 Not yet but looks interesting Nov 06 02:58:20 oh, the javascript thing, read about that earlier. Nov 06 02:59:03 pretty freaking amazing Nov 06 02:59:13 a javascript to javascript optimizing compiler written in javascript Nov 06 02:59:30 but I gotta tell you Nov 06 02:59:54 if you thought that JSLINT would hurt your feelings, closure will reduce you to a wimpering mass of dispair **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 06 02:59:57 2009