**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 08 02:59:56 2009
Nov 08 03:01:50 <Doug_> [waves hello]
Nov 08 04:05:51 <PerfectLogic> anyone??
Nov 08 04:06:53 <PerfectLogic> does this work!!!
Nov 08 04:09:43 <zomg> Apparently it didn't ;>
Nov 08 04:10:00 <rboatright> does what work?
Nov 08 04:12:13 <inv_arp> hmm.. sync'd some mp3's via itunes.. anyway to copy the mp3's off the pre?
Nov 08 04:12:53 <tarelerulz> www.google.com
Nov 08 04:14:01 <inv_arp> indeed.. nothing useful at least with the keywords im using
Nov 08 04:14:31 <tarelerulz> i was post for myself to see if chrome was my deafult broswer on Ubuntu
Nov 08 04:14:40 <tarelerulz> Google don't get everything
Nov 08 04:15:08 <tarelerulz> I swear I put the right words in there and and do it again one day and find what I had been looking for weeks
Nov 08 04:15:13 <inv_arp> bah.. should have just copied the songs via usb mount then with itunes...
Nov 08 04:15:32 <tarelerulz> You have any idea where it stores them
Nov 08 04:16:25 <tarelerulz> as long as tunes keeps the file name the same  it should be easy
Nov 08 04:16:35 <_droO> ugh
Nov 08 04:16:39 <_droO> so does evdo just blow?
Nov 08 04:16:50 <_droO> this works fine on emu
Nov 08 04:16:52 <_droO> and wifi on device
Nov 08 04:17:10 <_droO> but connects like shit on evdo
Nov 08 04:17:56 <inv_arp> south fl.. evdo works fine
Nov 08 04:19:32 <sinacism> knock knock
Nov 08 04:58:02 <kesne> Roy-Pre101, why not just Pre101?
Nov 08 04:58:25 <Roy-Pre101> Because I finally got annoyed with everyone calling me Pre101. :)
Nov 08 04:59:35 <kesne> Ah
Nov 08 04:59:41 <kesne> I just call you Roy
Nov 08 04:59:48 <kesne> that's okay, right?
Nov 08 05:00:26 <kesne> Also: Welcome to my life, kesne has beccome like a 2nd name
Nov 08 05:01:11 <Roy-Pre101> how's perfect bounce doing?
Nov 08 05:01:25 <kesne> Sales wise: Very Well
Nov 08 05:01:31 <kesne> Reviews Wise: Terrible
Nov 08 05:01:36 <kesne> but meh
Nov 08 05:01:41 <kesne> 2.0 is on it's way
Nov 08 05:01:45 <kesne> adresses issues
Nov 08 05:01:47 <Roy-Pre101> That's good.
Nov 08 05:01:48 <kesne> I'm not worries
Nov 08 05:01:51 <kesne> *worried
Nov 08 05:02:01 <Roy-Pre101> I haven't worked on my apps at all lately!  Burned out.
Nov 08 05:02:17 <kesne> Keen Studios launched our Perfect Bounce Experience today
Nov 08 05:02:18 <kesne> http://keen-studios.net/
Nov 08 05:02:23 <kesne> Working on it lots
Nov 08 05:02:30 <kesne> It'll be good when we finish
Nov 08 05:14:05 <JenP_Away> i can't seem to get my emulator to take on the new pixie dimensions....grrrr
Nov 08 05:14:33 <Roy-Pre101> JenP:  It hates you!
Nov 08 05:14:45 <JenP> hey Roy!
Nov 08 05:14:48 <JenP> it does!!!
Nov 08 05:15:04 <Roy-Pre101> How're you doin' tonight?
Nov 08 05:15:10 <Roy-Pre101> OTher than hating on the emulator?
Nov 08 05:15:20 <JenP> i am doing very well!
Nov 08 05:15:33 <_droO> kesne-is there a beta on preware?:)
Nov 08 05:15:42 <JenP> finishing up setting up the other development web server
Nov 08 06:03:01 <zomg> if the website is any indication, the perfect bounce app is crap :x
Nov 08 06:03:37 <_droO> ;o kinda mean
Nov 08 06:04:27 <zomg> Yeah :p I'm just kinda picky cause I do JS app stuff myself
Nov 08 06:06:06 <zomg> the animation on the site seemed pretty screwed and slow.. I just clicked on it and it did nothing until I waited really long
Nov 08 06:06:09 <zomg> plus it looked like tables
Nov 08 06:07:37 <zomg> Yeah no wonder... Some lazy Photoshop generated HTML :P
Nov 08 06:07:38 <Roy-Pre101> I don't think it's supposed to do much.
Nov 08 06:08:12 <zomg> Well I do still hope it's not an indication of the quality of the game =)
Nov 08 06:11:55 <zomg> I should rewrite my old JavaScript Scorched Earth clone
Nov 08 06:11:56 <JenP> indication of what game?
Nov 08 06:12:04 <zomg> and maybe port it for the Pre =)
Nov 08 06:12:19 <zomg> JenP: Perfect Bounce or something like that
Nov 08 06:13:23 <Roy-Pre101> There isn't a scorched earth clone, is there?
Nov 08 06:17:38 <zomg> Not for the Pre, no
Nov 08 06:17:57 <zomg> I wrote one in JS tho some years ago and it might work in the Pre with minor tweaks
Nov 08 06:18:07 <zomg> http://codeutopia.net/projects/tankwar/
Nov 08 06:20:01 <zomg> (the code is pretty awful, I know)
Nov 08 06:20:02 <zomg> ;>
Nov 08 06:20:49 <Roy-Pre101> omg, that's some lazy Photoshop generated javascript!  ;D
Nov 08 06:21:14 <zomg> Yeah, just go to Filters->Wizards->Games and choose Scorched Earth and bang
Nov 08 06:22:18 <zomg> I was kinda crappy in JS back when I wrote that but at least it works most of the time :D
Nov 08 06:23:19 <zomg> or.. worked. Some parts of it broke due to API changes after the early version of the Canvas API
Nov 08 06:23:40 <zomg> which I quickly hacked back together again so it might be a bit glitchy in places... which is why I should rewrite it
Nov 08 06:23:58 <Roy-Pre101> wow, sometimes it just shoots crazy-far.
Nov 08 06:24:15 <zomg> Yeah the farther the cursor is from your tank the more power the shot gets
Nov 08 06:24:55 <zomg> I actually have the online game feature kinda working again but only in Opera
Nov 08 06:25:41 <_droO> scortched earth would be awesome
Nov 08 06:25:53 <_droO> someone was telling me about a plant sim that sounded kinda fun too ;o
Nov 08 06:25:55 <_droO> for a sim D;
Nov 08 06:26:22 <zomg> heh
Nov 08 06:26:28 <zomg> I did a Missile Command clone as well
Nov 08 06:26:42 <_droO> do u have a pre?
Nov 08 06:26:45 <zomg> and a really quick port of that for the Pre too.. I think it's linked at the webosdev forums
Nov 08 06:26:55 <zomg> Nah, we don't have Pre's in Finland yet
Nov 08 06:27:06 <zomg> tho we have one at work which I borrowed for a bit
Nov 08 06:27:25 <_droO> oh :(
Nov 08 06:27:34 <zomg> That one's the CDMA version from Sprint though so I couldn't use it for calls or anything, but everything else worked
Nov 08 06:28:10 <_droO> kesne u still here?
Nov 08 06:30:22 <kesne> I am
Nov 08 06:30:25 <kesne> Why?
Nov 08 06:31:53 <kesne> Also: comments on how I am lazy: I know, the flash version want done, so I baked that up in a few minutes
Nov 08 06:32:02 <kesne> New version tomorrow or day after
Nov 08 11:13:15 <tarelerulz> What do you all think as far as feature or program that would make webos better?
Nov 08 11:19:33 <MetaView> fester response time
Nov 08 11:19:37 <MetaView> faster
Nov 08 11:21:12 <MetaView> and they really should allow up/down buttons
Nov 08 11:25:46 <chain__> support for remote calendars through webdav! Easy switching of language input and possibility to write text in Chinese. Skype. Support for ogg/flac in media player and odf in document viewer.
Nov 08 11:38:28 <FreeTim3> support for ogg would be really great... I hate MP3
Nov 08 11:39:08 <FreeTim3> but my old Treo could do sound and video recording, I really miss that in the Palm Pre
Nov 08 11:41:03 <FreeTim3> You know what's strange is if I have a few applications each doing 15 minute update chaecks it's possible that my phone could try to connect each 5 minutes if the apps don't coordinate the connect times with each other
Nov 08 11:41:57 <FreeTim3> ...so therefore I wish there was a way to detect "now is a good time because another app is connecting now" for apps to all upload/check at the same time or otherwise share the connection time point
Nov 08 11:42:05 <FreeTim3> thus reducing battery drain
Nov 08 11:42:22 <rwhitby> FreeTim3: good point.
Nov 08 11:42:40 <MetaView> I don't think it will reduce a lot of battery drain
Nov 08 11:43:26 <rwhitby> MetaView: every little bit helps for battery powered devices.
Nov 08 11:44:19 <rwhitby> assuming the cellular data channel is not held open with the server, piggy-backing on an existing connection event can save transmitted bytes to the tower, which means saving power.
Nov 08 11:45:00 <rwhitby> (not the bytes of the update check, but the negotiation bytes for each new data connection channel setup with the RLC.
Nov 08 11:46:11 <FreeTim3> and as a developer it's frustrating for me because I'm programming a data app to update a web through AJAX and I can't tell it to do so only when my GPS program also connects to do something similar, each 15 mintues, and my email does the same...   to me it sounds like 3x the cell radio connections each round of 15 minutes, when only one short one is needed each 15 mins
Nov 08 11:46:54 <MetaView> I wouldn't care about it
Nov 08 11:47:10 <MetaView> why should app one wait for another app to go online?
Nov 08 11:47:11 <FreeTim3> I can see a year from now I'll have 20 of these apps running and my phone will be trying to connect all the time
Nov 08 11:47:27 <MetaView> what if i decide to close app 2, will then app 1 waits for ever?
Nov 08 11:47:35 <rwhitby> MetaView: no-one said anything about waiting.  we're talking about pre-emptively doing it earlier
Nov 08 11:47:41 <MetaView> my phone is online all the time
Nov 08 11:47:52 <MetaView> that's the reason I bought it + data flat
Nov 08 11:48:08 <rwhitby> MetaView: no unlimited data plans where I live.  consider yourself very lucky.
Nov 08 11:48:11 <FreeTim3> Metaview: It would be nice if it's optional for the developerl. I mean I want email to connect each 15 minutes but I don't care if that happens on the 5, or on the 10, or at 17 past the hour... it's OK to wait for another app
Nov 08 11:48:27 <FreeTim3> I don't mean that any app MUST wait, but optional
Nov 08 11:48:44 <MetaView> do they sell Pre's without data flat?
Nov 08 11:48:55 <MetaView> a notification about going online?
Nov 08 11:49:00 <rwhitby> MetaView: unlocked GSM Pre's work anywhere in the world.
Nov 08 11:49:11 <MetaView> that's right
Nov 08 11:49:15 <rwhitby> the Pre is no longer US-centric.
Nov 08 11:49:22 <MetaView> I'm from Germany
Nov 08 11:49:41 <rwhitby> ok, it's not .eu-centric either ;-)
Nov 08 11:49:49 <MetaView> hehe
Nov 08 11:50:21 <FreeTim3> I also ride motorcross... I want my Pre to upload GPS data each 15 minutes, but I'm not particular if that happens on the  5, or on the 10, or at 17 past the hour... it's OK to wait for another app...  like waiting for the e-mail connection to happen is OK and piggy back on the connection
Nov 08 11:50:49 <FreeTim3> and since it's in my racer backpack I'm not looking at it so I won't care
Nov 08 11:51:09 <FreeTim3> but I'm no where near power so I DO care - a lot - about battery life
Nov 08 11:52:06 <MetaView> but the GPS will kill the battery fasterr than the data triffic will do
Nov 08 11:52:10 <FreeTim3> It would just be nice to make something like that optional for the developer (not mandatory that the app MUST wait, but optional that it may wait for a peer app connection) but there is no way for me to tell
Nov 08 11:52:20 <MetaView> you better have a way to enable GPS every 10 minutes
Nov 08 11:52:21 <MetaView> :)
Nov 08 11:53:00 <rwhitby> MetaView: are you sure that GPS sucks more power than GPRS ?
Nov 08 11:53:38 <FreeTim3> Thanks. Well tarelrulz : that's my two cents...  :)
Nov 08 11:53:41 <rwhitby> I would have thought that a receive-only device like GPS would be far less power-hungry than transmitting to distant towers ...
Nov 08 11:54:06 <chain__> I've seen 2800mAh battery for Palm Pre on ebay
Nov 08 11:54:18 <chain__> but it's kind of big and bulky
Nov 08 11:54:20 <FreeTim3> I ran a test (it's on the wiki GPS page) there is a difference but it's not huge
Nov 08 11:55:14 <rwhitby> FreeTim3: I'd say if you could get a notification for connection events, then you could set a timer for 5 minutes before your scheduled update time, and subscribe to notifications in that 5 minutes before your scheduled update time, and then piggy-back if one happens.  Then you'll sync up with your next connection by default if they are all on the same time period.  No need to wait.
Nov 08 11:57:05 <rwhitby> and if you keep getting connections early, you would just tighten the window, so you don't burn more juice by updating more often.
Nov 08 11:57:28 <rwhitby> tighten and loosen the window dynamically based on whether you regularly get early connections or not.
Nov 08 11:57:59 <FreeTim3> that's a lot of logic to add into my app... I wish webOS would just share the other app's window timing with me
Nov 08 11:58:57 <FreeTim3> tarelerulz has likely fallen asleep by now... :)
Nov 08 11:59:19 <tarelerulz> I am here
Nov 08 11:59:20 <tarelerulz> sorry
Nov 08 12:00:48 <FreeTim3> Thanks Rod, is there a way for me to detect the existing EvDo connection as it goes active? If so, I'm willing to write a lot of logic
Nov 08 12:05:03 <FreeTim3> Metaview: Yes preemptive upload/ adjustment of my 15 minute windows.   For example I just mean uploading at minute :07 if that's when I figure out another app is doing it's 15 minute window. And then I'll upload again at :22 (which is 7 + 15)  - not waiting more than my 15 minute window.
Nov 08 12:05:31 <FreeTim3> But the WebOS provides no method of detecting a sister app's upload window or sharing that value
Nov 08 12:07:13 <FreeTim3> and then if App2 closes - it's ok. my app is not waiting past my max value see?
Nov 08 13:01:38 <ttgb> ? no body?
Nov 08 13:05:48 * grndslm is a somebody
Nov 08 13:22:01 * leonardo ins't sure to be anybody, checkin'...
Nov 08 13:25:45 <bmyers> i am trying to find out more about what is passed via a listtap event. there is alot of stuff in there. anybody have a link to whats all in there? specifically the .up and .down functions that are in the object
Nov 08 13:26:23 <MetaView> no clue, but would be interested too
Nov 08 13:26:54 <bmyers> there is a ton of stuff in there..
Nov 08 14:09:26 <balrog-k1n> does someone know if there is a castle.xml syntax that would tell trenchcoat not to touch the /var partition?
Nov 08 14:09:45 <balrog-k1n> or alternatively a way to download the partition without booting linux
Nov 08 14:10:06 <balrog-k1n> (on the phone)
Nov 08 14:10:31 <JenP> hi all!
Nov 08 14:10:45 <balrog-k1n> is there like a manual to trenchcoat somewhere?
Nov 08 14:13:31 <bmyers> hi jenp
Nov 08 14:14:35 <JenP> hey  bmyers how's it going?
Nov 08 14:19:15 <bmyers> ok. waiting for it to warm up outside
Nov 08 14:19:36 <bmyers> how ‘bout u?
Nov 08 14:24:37 <JenP> realizing I can't go to school because I have way too much work to do
Nov 08 14:25:41 <ttgb> sorry ,can't help
Nov 08 14:26:13 <bmyers> go to school on sunday?
Nov 08 14:26:30 <bmyers> work?
Nov 08 14:26:56 <JenP> not always, but there's a class starting today on DreamWeaver I was planning on attending
Nov 08 14:27:13 <JenP> work? no.... Personal growth?
Nov 08 14:29:20 <bmyers> doing personal growth now while its cold outside..
Nov 08 14:29:29 <bmyers> head down and coding..
Nov 08 14:31:15 <JenP> yeah...i'll have to move to Thursday night...when it's much colder outside...:-|
Nov 08 14:32:13 <bmyers> moving is fun always..
Nov 08 14:32:25 <bmyers> pizza and beer go well with moving boxes
Nov 08 14:33:50 <ttgb> is anyone developing non-english IME?
Nov 08 14:34:13 <JenP> where you moving to?
Nov 08 14:34:41 <bmyers> me? nowhere. I am done moving. just moved to NY from AZ last year
Nov 08 14:34:50 <bmyers> i am still unpacking
Nov 08 14:35:46 <JenP> LOL i hear that
Nov 08 14:36:27 <bmyers> it like cristmas whenever you want it..
Nov 08 14:36:49 <bmyers> the joy and surprize of whats inside this box or that one..
Nov 08 14:37:31 <bmyers> play some evlis blue xmas.. it’s loads of fun..
Nov 08 14:37:45 <bmyers> play some elvis blue xmas.. it’s loads of fun..
Nov 08 14:38:46 <JenP> LOL yeah i just closed out a storage lot, so now everythings in the office...i have a LOT of Xmas stuff. ...I love xmas
Nov 08 14:39:27 <bmyers> r u moving to someplace warm?
Nov 08 14:40:53 <JenP> moved a year ago, San Diego  CA....but my move was just down the block
Nov 08 14:41:30 <Pat__> good morning all!
Nov 08 14:41:51 <JenP> hi Pat_
Nov 08 14:42:50 <bmyers> i like san diego.. i’m into sailing so...
Nov 08 14:43:21 <JenP> then you should have moved here
Nov 08 14:43:32 <JenP> open ocean and all that
Nov 08 14:43:35 <bmyers> u r correct!
Nov 08 14:43:42 <bmyers> but i didnt..
Nov 08 14:43:55 <bmyers> i moved back to the rust belt of america
Nov 08 14:44:05 <chain__> ttgb, I've been looking for Chinese IME for palm pre on google couple of minutes ago - I haven't found anything interesting though
Nov 08 14:46:07 <JenP> hey chain__ sorry i haven't heard of any
Nov 08 14:49:01 <chain__> :(
Nov 08 14:50:18 <chain__> I hope that at least some of the features that I find important will get implemented before Palm Pre gets released in my country(most probably before x-mas)
Nov 08 14:52:43 <JenP> Hey has anyone changed their emulator for the pixie resolution? Ever since I tried I can't even ket Komodo to run in it
Nov 08 14:53:55 <JenP> oh wait...it's just my program...sigh....
Nov 08 14:59:28 <Pat__> Can I ask a question pertaining to webos dev? :-)   or is this not the place for tech questions, :-(
Nov 08 15:11:55 <JenP> Pat__ this actually the place...we just got off on a tangent
Nov 08 15:15:22 <Pat__> thanks JenP, I have my viewMenu located in the stageAssistant, so of course I am using the handle Command...
Nov 08 15:17:50 <bmyers> ...  and?
Nov 08 15:18:04 <Pat__> however I can't seem to get any of the cases to call a function that is located in a different scene assistant. I can push/pop/swap ok, I cannot call any functions directly. Keep in mind that the function that I am calling is in a different sceneAssistant
Nov 08 15:19:15 <bmyers> in the stageassistant u should only have case[s] and functions pertaining to ALL scenes. like drop menu edit/copy/paste/help stuff
Nov 08 15:19:42 <bmyers> you put another handleCommand in the various scenes to handle scene specific stuff
Nov 08 15:21:44 <Pat__> switch(event.command) 	{case 'load': this.handleCreateButton();
Nov 08 15:21:44 <Pat__> break;
Nov 08 15:21:44 <Pat__> case 'create': this.controller.stageController.swapScene("somewhere");
Nov 08 15:22:11 <bmyers> right so thats in the stage-assistant?
Nov 08 15:22:23 <Pat__> yes
Nov 08 15:22:29 <bmyers> and handleCreateButton is where?
Nov 08 15:22:41 <Pat__> but the load case doesn't work
Nov 08 15:22:59 <Pat__> in another scene
Nov 08 15:23:43 <Pat__> handleCreateButton is located in another scene
Nov 08 15:24:15 <bmyers> there are other way to do this i am sure but...
Nov 08 15:24:17 <bmyers> and in what scene is the ‘load’ button or whatever it is you’re triggering?
Nov 08 15:24:52 <bmyers> same scene?
Nov 08 15:25:18 <Pat__> yes the button is in the same scene as the function.
Nov 08 15:25:20 <bmyers> same ‘other’ scene?
Nov 08 15:25:33 <Pat__> same other scene, right
Nov 08 15:25:45 <bmyers> right so. take the case out of stage-ass  and put it in the ‘other’ scene handleCommand
Nov 08 15:26:07 <bmyers> you can have more than one handleCommand funtion
Nov 08 15:26:31 <bmyers> webos will first check the scene assistand for handleCommand
Nov 08 15:26:39 <bmyers> then the stage assistant
Nov 08 15:26:44 <bmyers> then the app assistant
Nov 08 15:26:47 <bmyers> etc
Nov 08 15:27:22 <bmyers> just copy the handleCommand out of the stage assistant and paste it into the ‘other’ scene
Nov 08 15:27:40 <Pat__> ok, so what will happen to the affect of having the benefit of the viewmenu scene across all assistants
Nov 08 15:27:45 <bmyers> delete out the stuff thats not pertenant to the scene
Nov 08 15:28:24 <Pat__> sorry, seen across all assistants
Nov 08 15:28:35 <bmyers> the ‘Help’ command lets say is in all scenes
Nov 08 15:28:37 <bmyers> right?
Nov 08 15:28:41 <Pat__> ok
Nov 08 15:28:46 <Pat__> right
Nov 08 15:28:48 <bmyers> so that goes in your stage assistant
Nov 08 15:28:59 <bmyers> the load command is only in the ‘other’ scene
Nov 08 15:29:06 <Pat__> right
Nov 08 15:29:17 <bmyers> so that should go in that scenes handleCommand
Nov 08 15:29:34 <Pat__> the other scene, ok
Nov 08 15:30:19 <Pat__> I got what you're saying, now.
Nov 08 15:31:23 <Pat__> is this efficient or should I been doing the flow, some other way?
Nov 08 15:31:50 <bmyers> it works ;)
Nov 08 15:32:00 <bmyers> but the handleCommand is a chain
Nov 08 15:32:22 <bmyers> so when its time to find out how to handle an event
Nov 08 15:32:42 <bmyers> webos starts local and works its way up until some process claims it and does something
Nov 08 15:33:31 <Pat__> and multiple processes can claim it?
Nov 08 15:34:00 <bmyers> can, yes.
Nov 08 15:34:07 <bmyers> usually, no..
Nov 08 15:34:23 <bmyers> depends on what the event is
Nov 08 15:34:41 <bmyers> like a back gesture, locally you might want to save the changes on that scenes
Nov 08 15:35:02 <bmyers> globally you might want to nav back or whatever, minimize...
Nov 08 15:36:11 <bmyers> there is a stopPropagation command that will dictate when or not to keep going up the chain to see who else might want to do something about the event
Nov 08 15:37:03 <bmyers> check out the handleCommand chain process in the palm SDK doc to get a better understanding of the process.
Nov 08 15:37:43 <bmyers> until then, move your handleCommand scene specific stuff to the scene that has the buttons and functions you’re dealing with locally..
Nov 08 15:37:50 <bmyers> and it should work..
Nov 08 15:39:16 <Pat__> my function is a picker widget call, so I can't just push to it. OK, wow... you have been a great help. I will try it and let you know how it turned out.
Nov 08 15:40:55 <Pat__> Thanks!!!
Nov 08 15:41:21 <bmyers> yw, if you’re still stuck then try pastebin’n some code up
Nov 08 15:55:51 <Pat__> bmyers, your a genius, thank you! 3 whole days banging my head against the wall, and you solved it in minutes for me. LONG LIVE WEB OS!
Nov 08 15:58:16 <Pat__> I took the case snippet out of the stages handlecommand and pasted it into the the others scenes handle command that I thought was only for the commandmenu of that scene and viola.
Nov 08 17:15:43 <Giotto> hey
Nov 08 17:20:51 <rboatright> hey
Nov 08 17:20:54 <rboatright> what's up?
Nov 08 17:21:30 <Giotto> still sleepy. I only had 2 coffees so far :P
Nov 08 17:44:45 <sugardave> what's up is AdMob is sucking, not filling views, not counting clicks...erg
Nov 08 17:47:13 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Don't tell me it's not working!  I was going to make Match 'Em Free today. ;P
Nov 08 17:48:35 <sugardave> well, out of about 2500 impressions (wiht an abysmal ~53% fill rate), I've sent about 10 clicks...ONE was counted
Nov 08 17:48:47 <sugardave> then they stop filling my ads for HUGE stretches of time
Nov 08 17:48:52 <sugardave> like hours
Nov 08 17:49:08 <sugardave> I'm investigating another solution atm
Nov 08 18:01:27 <haeffb> is there any way to get notified when phone is reset?
Nov 08 18:01:42 <ElVox> thats it! lets make an open-source stock-market model ad-serving solution of our own!
Nov 08 18:01:45 <haeffb> or luna restarted?
Nov 08 18:03:26 <sugardave> ElVox: okay, you do all the hard work, and I will take advantage of it
Nov 08 18:05:33 <ElVox> thats it! lets make an open-source stock-market model ad-serving solution of our own!
Nov 08 18:05:37 <ElVox> oops
Nov 08 18:06:48 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: They're probably not allowing you to register more than one click from the same device to prevent click fraud.
Nov 08 18:19:55 <vmlemon_> Just purchase a load of Pres, and then click the adverts on each one. Alternatively, you could find several Pre owners, and encourage them to download said application, and click the adverts ;)
Nov 08 18:21:42 <haeffb-wIRC> hello
Nov 08 18:21:52 <Roy-Pre101> vmlemon_: I think he's just testing that it's working.
Nov 08 18:21:57 <Roy-Pre101> Not trying to get rich (yet)
Nov 08 18:22:05 <Roy-Pre101> I could be wrong. ;)
Nov 08 18:24:02 * haeffb can't figure wIRC
Nov 08 18:25:46 <haeffb> test
Nov 08 18:26:02 <rboatright> Roy-Pre101:   hi
Nov 08 18:26:22 <rboatright> just attempted to enable audio in the emulator
Nov 08 18:27:12 <rboatright> Roy-Pre101:   was there something more than just copying the files from event.dis to event.d?
Nov 08 18:27:42 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: correct, still testing
Nov 08 18:28:50 <sugardave> however, I can guarantee 2 different machines...emulator and device, yet still only one click....I don't care so much about that, it's the complete dropping of my ad requests that's bothering me
Nov 08 18:32:04 <MetaView> a good way to select a color in webos?
Nov 08 18:33:33 <haeffb> test
Nov 08 18:33:41 <sugardave> n00b web programmer question...I have to send all the client request headers a second time prefixed thusly: 'ch_HEADER=value' and one of the ones I'm to send is 'ch_X_PALM_CARRIER'....how do I query that value in webOS prior to sending my request?
Nov 08 18:34:07 <sugardave> because, presumably, it's going to change at some point for some people
Nov 08 18:37:55 <Roy-Pre101> rboatright: REboot?
Nov 08 18:43:27 <haeffb-wIRC> test again
Nov 08 18:45:11 <atlanta> anybody played with the admods stuff yet
Nov 08 18:45:15 <FreeTim3> sugardave: can you determine brand by thenetwork type?
Nov 08 18:45:41 <FreeTim3> because the com.palm.connection manager has a 'network' parameter you can read
Nov 08 18:46:25 <FreeTim3> with values like,  'gprs', 'edge', 'umts', 'hsdpa', '1x', 'evdo'
Nov 08 18:49:21 <FreeTim3> sugardave: and of course 'unknown', 'unsusable' which will be less of a help to you.  :)
Nov 08 18:51:08 <sugardave> FreeTim3: hehe, not sure, I will look into that....I recall reading someone else's question about the carrier settings, too
Nov 08 18:53:05 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone have the download count patch installed?
Nov 08 18:54:40 <atlanta> Anybody mess with mob ads ?
Nov 08 18:54:52 <fearphage> i have the desire to flip the cards to take notes on the back. is that possible?
Nov 08 18:55:08 <fearphage> or get some alternate functionality
Nov 08 18:55:48 <sugardave> atlanta: I'm trying to find a good ad provider atm
Nov 08 18:56:02 <sugardave> have had SOME success, technically, with AdMob
Nov 08 18:56:04 <atlanta> oh ok yea because i couldnt get ad mobs to show
Nov 08 18:56:13 <atlanta> which app did u pick
Nov 08 18:56:15 <atlanta> iphone web
Nov 08 18:56:15 <atlanta> ?
Nov 08 18:56:20 <sugardave> no, mobile site
Nov 08 18:56:26 <sugardave> hang on
Nov 08 18:56:32 <atlanta> i didnt see any javascript option with that
Nov 08 18:57:02 <sugardave> there isn't one, have to build it yourself with some other magic
Nov 08 18:57:07 <sugardave> but THE WIKI IS DOWN
Nov 08 18:57:08 <atlanta> oh ok
Nov 08 18:57:23 <atlanta> http://developer.admob.com/wiki/
Nov 08 18:57:25 <atlanta> woorks
Nov 08 18:57:31 <sugardave> I mean webos101
Nov 08 18:57:37 <sugardave> have a page on admob there
Nov 08 18:58:02 <atlanta> oh ok
Nov 08 18:58:11 <sugardave> but I built my ajax request based on the info in their 'client applications' section
Nov 08 18:58:13 <atlanta> Roy-Pre101: wsup with the site
Nov 08 18:58:19 <atlanta> oh ok
Nov 08 18:58:20 <atlanta> gotcha
Nov 08 18:58:26 <atlanta> ill give it a shot
Nov 08 18:59:08 <atlanta> wiki is super slow
Nov 08 18:59:46 <atlanta> ok cool its just a post request
Nov 08 19:00:43 <sugardave> yes, and I have a basic one sitting, just waiting for YOU to copy it...but, alas, Roy is toying with us
Nov 08 19:01:16 <sugardave> http://webos101.com/AdMob
Nov 08 19:01:19 <sugardave> there, it's up, hurry!
Nov 08 19:02:11 <atlanta> going going
Nov 08 19:02:36 <atlanta> response will come back as an image?
Nov 08 19:02:49 <sugardave> that will throw back a text add, hang on a sec
Nov 08 19:03:15 <sugardave> response.getHeader('X-AdMob-Android-Category-Icon'); will have a small image sent by admob
Nov 08 19:03:34 <atlanta> ok
Nov 08 19:03:35 <atlanta> thanks
Nov 08 19:03:37 <sugardave> np
Nov 08 19:03:48 <atlanta> gonna test it out and probably expand the wiki
Nov 08 19:03:53 <sugardave> please do!
Nov 08 19:03:55 <atlanta> adding the code to get the ip addy etc
Nov 08 19:05:19 <atlanta> x-mojo-focus-highlight="momentary"
Nov 08 19:05:22 <atlanta> is that correct
Nov 08 19:05:22 <atlanta> ?
Nov 08 19:05:29 <atlanta> or what is the push in thingy for buttons
Nov 08 19:06:04 <sugardave> I'm the wrong one for those kinds of questions :D
Nov 08 19:08:31 <Roy-Pre101> I should have moved the dns over to the new site.  I just haven't had time.
Nov 08 19:08:40 <Roy-Pre101> I'll do it today if I can find any time
Nov 08 19:09:49 <Roy-Pre101> Fortunately, you guys made it harder on me by updating webos101 after I copied it over. ;D
Nov 08 19:10:02 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, but since it's just one page I think I can just copy/paste it over.
Nov 08 19:10:15 <JenP> anyone have experience with setting up a wordress testing server?
Nov 08 19:11:42 <kesne> JenP: For what exactly?
Nov 08 19:12:03 <kesne> I'm pretty good with wordpress, built an entire online gameplay system around it
Nov 08 19:12:03 <JenP> testing...development...etc
Nov 08 19:12:10 <kesne> I think I could
Nov 08 19:12:19 <JenP> cool i'll pm you
Nov 08 19:13:25 <reality9110> For those wanting ads in their programs, I should have several solutions by tomorrow.
Nov 08 19:13:36 <reality9110> Already have two solutions...
Nov 08 19:13:40 <Roy-Pre101> reality9110: Excellent.
Nov 08 19:13:51 <sugardave> reality9110: who is #2?
Nov 08 19:14:02 <reality9110> It's in the email...
Nov 08 19:14:14 <bpadalino> who does #2 work for ?
Nov 08 19:14:31 * sugardave is not part of the super-secret email list.
Nov 08 19:14:51 <reality9110> Yeah, you are.
Nov 08 19:15:18 <sugardave> oh, I see it
Nov 08 19:15:44 <sugardave> I'm trying to get one of those working now, as well...tests are working, just need to cram it in the space I had admob
Nov 08 19:15:55 <sugardave> and that's not working out so well yet
Nov 08 19:16:24 <reality9110> Well, the #3 solution will probably work best.
Nov 08 19:16:37 <reality9110> I'm going to have them make a custom script to just plugin
Nov 08 19:16:57 <sugardave> nice
Nov 08 19:17:21 <reality9110> It definitely helps when you have an application that pulls over 1 million requests a day.
Nov 08 19:17:57 <sugardave> no doubt :D
Nov 08 19:18:22 <atlanta> reality9110: can i join that secret list
Nov 08 19:18:33 <reality9110> You're already on the list too...
Nov 08 19:18:38 <atlanta> got a app ready to test it out
Nov 08 19:18:45 <reality9110> Jeez, do you people not read the emails and just download the apps?
Nov 08 19:19:00 <sugardave> I read it, but forgot that one sentence in there :P
Nov 08 19:19:49 <atlanta> lol
Nov 08 19:19:51 <atlanta> hehehe
Nov 08 19:20:02 <atlanta> you forwarded it to me so i usually dont read down there
Nov 08 19:20:03 <atlanta> lol
Nov 08 19:20:17 <atlanta> did i mention i love windows 7
Nov 08 19:20:23 <atlanta> finally something im happy with after xp
Nov 08 19:21:09 * haeffb is not on the list...should he be jealous?
Nov 08 19:21:14 <atlanta> someone that uses twitter wanna beta test an app for me
Nov 08 19:21:20 <atlanta> haeffb:  nall
Nov 08 19:21:20 <atlanta> lol
Nov 08 19:21:55 <haeffb> atlanta: I use twitter -a little-
Nov 08 19:22:14 <haeffb> probably not enough to be of much use for testing
Nov 08 19:22:55 <reality9110> Beta testing is a two way street.  You beta test the apps I put out there, and you get hints and often times, scripts.
Nov 08 19:24:48 <reality9110> Not to mention, ridiculously awesome applications.  ;-)
Nov 08 19:24:59 <Roy-Pre101> heh
Nov 08 19:25:47 <atlanta> lol
Nov 08 19:26:16 <reality9110> Hey, they are good.
Nov 08 19:26:31 <atlanta> awww finding an ad provider is killing going to just post this app without ads
Nov 08 19:27:10 <Giotto> guys, I'm having a problem
Nov 08 19:27:18 <Giotto> I'm trying to check if there's an internet connection before loading up the first scene. Problem is the scene gets setup and activated before the connectionManager returns with the response
Nov 08 19:27:20 <reality9110> atlanta: Wait until Monday.
Nov 08 19:27:29 * haeffb-wIRC is also not on the list
Nov 08 19:27:48 <atlanta> Giotto: are you putting the request in the setup
Nov 08 19:27:49 <atlanta> ?
Nov 08 19:27:55 <sugardave> Giotto: I haven't looked into it, but there's a Synchronizer object in Mojo
Nov 08 19:27:56 <reality9110> Giotto: Throw it into the stage-assistant.
Nov 08 19:27:57 <Giotto> the connectionManager call is in the stage-assistant's setup
Nov 08 19:27:57 <atlanta> reality9110: ok ill try to hold out
Nov 08 19:28:10 <atlanta> then you should be good to go
Nov 08 19:28:27 <atlanta> Giotto: try doing some write to the screen to see what is outputting
Nov 08 19:28:28 <reality9110> Giotto: Make a splash screen as well and put a 2 second timer on it
Nov 08 19:28:46 <Giotto> reality9110: heh, could work :)
Nov 08 19:28:50 <atlanta> haeffb-wIRC: whats your email
Nov 08 19:28:50 <atlanta> ?
Nov 08 19:28:55 <atlanta> going to send u a ipk\
Nov 08 19:29:10 <Giotto> I'm doing logging, and it clearly says that the scene is activated before the response from that manager returns
Nov 08 19:29:22 <Giotto> and the connectionManager is in the scene assistant's setup method
Nov 08 19:29:37 <Giotto> oops
Nov 08 19:29:40 <sugardave> of course, you could also not push the first scene until 'onSuccess' from your connection manager call
Nov 08 19:29:43 <reality9110> Giotto: It does work.  BroadCAST Radio checks to see if there is a connection in the stage-assistant, and returns that result by the time the splash screen is loaded.
Nov 08 19:29:44 <Giotto> so it's in the STAGE-ASSISTANT's setup
Nov 08 19:30:21 <atlanta> Giotto: and like sugardave dave said make sure the pushscene is given in the onSuccess
Nov 08 19:30:30 <atlanta> and theres no way it will go unless called
Nov 08 19:30:38 <atlanta> i have my app check a cookie before loading
Nov 08 19:30:38 <Giotto> okok. thanks for the advice
Nov 08 19:30:42 <Giotto> will try that :)
Nov 08 19:31:06 <atlanta> sugardave: you have twitter
Nov 08 19:31:06 <atlanta> ?
Nov 08 19:31:17 <sugardave> yeah, but I'm not really using it...
Nov 08 19:31:27 <atlanta> wanan test a app for me anyway
Nov 08 19:31:38 <sugardave> ha, no time today , my man
Nov 08 19:31:50 <atlanta> oh ok
Nov 08 19:31:51 <atlanta> cool
Nov 08 19:38:57 <Giotto> it worked, you guys rock!
Nov 08 19:47:59 <haeffb> haeffb at yahoo
Nov 08 19:48:19 <haeffb> atlanta: see up
Nov 08 19:50:11 <atlanta> haeffb: sent
Nov 08 19:53:39 <MetaView> How would you allow the user to select a back color?
Nov 08 19:53:49 <MetaView> just 3 sliders?
Nov 08 19:53:53 <MetaView> RGB?
Nov 08 19:54:10 <atlanta> yea yu can do that or have a color pallete
Nov 08 19:54:40 <atlanta> haeffb: what did you use for the address in wirc
Nov 08 19:54:54 <MetaView> defining a color palette sounds quite much work...
Nov 08 19:55:11 <atlanta> aww theres ones on teh web
Nov 08 19:56:06 * haeffb just sent a pic to twitpic
Nov 08 19:56:56 <haeffb> irc.freenode.net
Nov 08 19:57:25 <atlanta> i just did that it just says not connect
Nov 08 19:57:30 <atlanta> and return value 9
Nov 08 19:57:30 <atlanta> 0
Nov 08 19:57:56 <atlanta> got it
Nov 08 19:58:17 <wIRCer> hello
Nov 08 19:58:34 <atlanta> hello
Nov 08 19:58:39 <atlanta> test
Nov 08 19:59:56 <atlanta> wieerd
Nov 08 20:00:53 <atlanta> yo
Nov 08 20:01:21 <atlanta_wirc> I can't see any or messages from the phone
Nov 08 20:01:29 <atlanta> i wonder why
Nov 08 20:03:25 <haeffb-wIRC> pictweet workd
Nov 08 20:03:47 <haeffb-wIRC> I can c my messages
Nov 08 20:03:48 <atlanta_wirc> hello
Nov 08 20:04:05 <atlanta> i dont see any from anyone else on wirc
Nov 08 20:04:14 <haeffb> same here. Shows only 1 users
Nov 08 20:04:15 <atlanta> haeffb-wIRC: thanks for testing that out for me
Nov 08 20:04:27 <atlanta> like the interface ?
Nov 08 20:04:30 <atlanta> was it understandable
Nov 08 20:04:30 <atlanta> ?
Nov 08 20:04:40 <MetaView> wirc: IRCfpor WebOS?
Nov 08 20:04:52 <atlanta> yea
Nov 08 20:04:56 <MetaView> cool
Nov 08 20:05:00 <atlanta> haeffb: i see 2 now you and me
Nov 08 20:05:02 <atlanta> on irc
Nov 08 20:05:23 <MetaView> how is it done? is it a native linux app? or how do you get the socket?
Nov 08 20:05:26 <haeffb> pretty simple. Would suggest you change the "save settings" to "login to Twitter" or something. It suggests more of a credential check...
Nov 08 20:06:13 <atlanta> oh ok cool
Nov 08 20:06:13 <atlanta> thanks
Nov 08 20:06:36 <atlanta> MetaView: puff created a C service
Nov 08 20:07:03 <atlanta> and the mojo app interfaces with it
Nov 08 20:07:06 <MetaView> cool
Nov 08 20:07:38 <atlanta>  C is a little out of my league so im going to learn Java
Nov 08 20:07:41 <atlanta> so i can make a java service
Nov 08 20:09:11 * haeffb-wIRC what?
Nov 08 20:09:56 * haeffb rebooting phone to see what's what....
Nov 08 20:10:35 * haeffb wondering why haeffb-wIRC is still here...
Nov 08 20:13:28 <atlanta> off to sams club
Nov 08 20:13:32 <atlanta> and maybe finish up my other app
Nov 08 20:28:58 <haeffb-wIRC> bob loblaw
Nov 08 20:30:01 <kridx1> bla bla bla
Nov 08 20:51:49 <fearphage> does the version of the video player support mp4 and ogg?
Nov 08 20:51:58 <fearphage> or the html5 video support rather
Nov 08 20:56:41 <sugardave> I'm about a light year away from learning video right now
Nov 08 21:10:14 <fearphage> sugardave: what do you mean learning video? <video src="my.ogg"/> it's pretty straight forward compared to embeds and objects
Nov 08 21:11:21 <sugardave> oh, I thought you were going to be handling video programmatically
Nov 08 21:11:38 <sugardave> fearphage: understand that I have avoided HTML/Web programming since 1998
Nov 08 21:12:44 <fearphage> and now you're in webos?
Nov 08 21:12:48 <fearphage> ok...
Nov 08 21:13:00 <sugardave> yep
Nov 08 21:13:05 <sugardave> plunge in
Nov 08 21:16:36 <PreGame> anyone familiar with dashboards?
Nov 08 21:22:15 <sugardave> PreGame: nope
Nov 08 21:28:48 <haeffb> no, but if you hum a few notes...
Nov 08 21:29:28 <Decimate> hello
Nov 08 21:57:55 <Giotto> rere
Nov 08 22:38:59 <bmyers> anyone know what the .up and .down function are in listTapEvent.originalEvent.target.id are for?
Nov 08 22:40:35 <bmyers> or know where i could find that documented somewhere in the SDK?
Nov 08 22:43:37 <smooth> maybe move it up or down in the list?
Nov 08 22:43:44 <sugardave> you sure are asking a lot...
Nov 08 22:44:15 <bmyers> what? documentation you mean?
Nov 08 22:49:52 <incidentist> bmyers: that's part of the Prototype library. up() returns the first ancestor of an element that matches a selector, down() returns the first descendant
Nov 08 22:50:42 <incidentist> Mojo doesn't add any functions to arrays, objects or any of the other basic building blocks, so if you see weird functions there, it's all prototype. http://www.prototypejs.org/api
Nov 08 22:51:44 <bmyers> ah ha... ha ha ha ha... no shit?
Nov 08 22:52:38 <bmyers> well thank u so very much incidentist..
Nov 08 22:53:13 <bmyers> why is prototype evil?
Nov 08 22:58:02 <incidentist> wellll Prototype is a bit annoying because it adds functions to existing objects in a way that leads to exactly the confusion you had. dunno if that counts as evil, but I suppose I prefer the Underscore approach: http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/
Nov 08 22:59:47 <bmyers> i have seen that. now i know what it is..
Nov 08 23:00:05 <bmyers> u use _ for webos stuff?
Nov 08 23:00:12 <fearphage> i'm more of a prototype man myself
Nov 08 23:00:27 <fearphage> jquery types are still limited in some aspects
Nov 08 23:02:13 <fearphage> _ is a lot like jquery
Nov 08 23:02:37 <fearphage> although it takes some aspects from prototype as well
Nov 08 23:04:33 <fearphage> i have a dump question. can you close an app from the phone? i know i can close it from the emulator using the commandline
Nov 08 23:04:50 <fearphage> (i don't have the physical phone if that's not obvious)
Nov 08 23:06:13 <atlanta_wirc> yello anyone out there
Nov 08 23:06:56 <bmyers> close on app on the phone from cmd line u mean? i think so, just specify the usb device right?
Nov 08 23:16:48 <bmyers> hey altlanta_wirc. r u wirc’d in on your pre?
Nov 08 23:20:49 <atlanta> yea i am
Nov 08 23:20:58 <atlanta> doesnt work for #webos though
Nov 08 23:25:49 <bmyers> well that sux. why not?
Nov 08 23:26:20 <atlanta> not sure puff is looking into it
Nov 09 00:08:02 <fearphage> what's defining the additional prototypes on the objects?
Nov 09 00:12:43 <incidentist> fearphage: huh?
Nov 09 00:13:48 <fearphage> ignore me. i found the answer.... although i didn't see it in documentation that prototype is sort of baked into mojo
Nov 09 00:14:16 <incidentist> [nod] rather an important bit of info
Nov 09 00:51:06 <JenP> hi all
Nov 09 00:51:57 <sugardave> hi JenP
Nov 09 01:11:18 <JenP> hey sugardave how's it going?'
Nov 09 01:19:46 <atlanta> done with my picture tweet app
Nov 09 01:21:26 <entity-> neat
Nov 09 01:21:30 <JenP> oh that's great atlanta
Nov 09 01:21:50 <atlanta> wanna test it for me again JenP
Nov 09 01:22:12 <JenP> i'm to beat to test anything tonight...but i will tomorrow
Nov 09 01:28:22 <atlanta> ok
Nov 09 01:28:57 <dawm> anyone around?
Nov 09 01:30:08 <atlanta> dawm: hey
Nov 09 01:30:41 <dawm> trying to dump an array in the log, but i cant remember how or find the method in the docs, any ideas?
Nov 09 01:33:54 <reality9110> dawm: Mojo.Log.error(this.array)
Nov 09 01:37:12 <incidentist> dawm: no, it's Mojo.Log.error("array: %j", this.array)
Nov 09 01:38:01 <j> :P
Nov 09 01:38:42 <dawm> incidentist, exactly what i was looking for
Nov 09 01:39:21 <incidentist> (it ought to be Mojo.Log.info but that doesn't work on the device without hacking)
Nov 09 01:57:05 <tmeizeli> Anybody here know about the dragEnd event?
Nov 09 02:01:39 <dawm> freaking sweet
Nov 09 02:01:48 <dawm> think i finally nailed the annoy bug in prejeweled
Nov 09 02:07:18 <reality9110> How do you handle a response redirect in javascript?
Nov 09 02:44:51 * haeffb is tired of having to login to developer.palm.com
Nov 09 02:44:56 <dawm> ditto
Nov 09 02:48:15 <dawm> holy shit
Nov 09 02:48:28 <dawm> er oops
Nov 09 02:48:54 * ElVox wonders what dawm just broke
Nov 09 02:48:54 <reality9110> So, I make an ajax request to a url, and that url redirects to a different url.  How do I get the redirected url?
Nov 09 02:49:06 <dawm> wrong channel :P
Nov 09 02:53:07 <ElVox> reality9110, something like Ajax.Response.getResponseHeader("Location") ?
Nov 09 02:54:05 <reality9110> I'll check to see if it's in there...
Nov 09 02:54:29 <ElVox> err just response.getHeader("Location") if you are in a on... handler i think
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