**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 09 02:59:56 2009 Nov 09 03:14:55 Apparently there isn't a getHeader("Location" Nov 09 03:14:56 ) Nov 09 03:36:23 is there a trick to getting novacom to run correctly on ubuntu 9.10? Nov 09 03:36:38 start claims that its not registered Nov 09 03:38:26 ugh i see, n/m: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910#/etc/event.d%20no%20longer%20used Nov 09 03:38:57 reality9110: is there a getAllResponseHeaders so you can see the ones that exist? Nov 09 03:40:02 sugardave: Nope Nov 09 03:57:31 Rubin: interesting. i'll tell the responsible parties Nov 09 03:57:50 in the interim you can pretty much just run the novacomd binary as root Nov 09 03:57:57 that's all it needs Nov 09 04:00:24 copying /etc/init.d/palm-novacomd to /etc/init/palm-novacomd.conf and possibly changing around the start on line slightly makes it work as intended Nov 09 04:01:03 (i made it 'start on [2345]' instead of each listed separately) Nov 09 04:01:48 do you work at palm geist? Nov 09 04:01:58 yeah Nov 09 04:02:32 things going pretty well over there? Nov 09 04:02:46 yeah Nov 09 04:03:12 i did some time at intel, and you could always tell how the company was doing buy things like: are there plants in the hallways? heh. Nov 09 04:05:59 heh, yeah no plants at palm Nov 09 04:08:40 so well but not super then ;) Nov 09 04:21:00 Roy-Pre101: so, should we be waiting to add more stuff to the wiki? Nov 09 04:21:59 sugardave: Transferring now. Don't know when the site will be up but you can update here: Nov 09 04:22:11 http://webos101.dreamhosters.com/wiki/index.php?title=Button Nov 09 04:22:15 well, not that page. Nov 09 04:22:19 cool Nov 09 04:22:25 But follow that up. Nov 09 04:22:37 Not sure when the redirect will be done. Transferring extensions now. Nov 09 04:23:43 Cite should be hooked up now. Nov 09 04:24:19 oh no, I broke it Nov 09 04:29:23 ? Nov 09 04:34:14 whoops, I broke it Nov 09 04:35:39 That working better? Nov 09 04:37:42 yes, there are a couple errors showing at the top of a page, but it's loading now Nov 09 04:39:05 weird... Nov 09 04:39:15 It's telling me that file's not there.... biut it is! Nov 09 04:39:31 ah Nov 09 04:39:32 I see Nov 09 04:39:42 it not the file I thought it was that was complaining. Nov 09 04:41:23 OK.... Nov 09 04:41:30 That's not right. all the languages are missing. :P Nov 09 04:42:20 Hmm, OK, that version of geshi won't work. Nov 09 04:43:05 ugh what was that commandline javascript parser for use with jslint? Nov 09 04:43:16 i didn't write it down anywhere and re-installed ubuntu :/ Nov 09 04:46:53 Yay Nov 09 04:47:00 Syntax highlighting is working again Nov 09 04:57:16 So, you guys set up wIRC on the pre? Nov 09 05:00:23 Roy-Pre101: looks good, also have an example parameters object for Quattro Wireless ads Nov 09 05:00:32 good Nov 09 05:01:04 OK, set up the .htaccess file correctly. Nov 09 05:01:13 Now to point things around so it's set up right. Nov 09 05:01:20 dns time Nov 09 05:03:52 I'll have option #3 for you folks tomorrow sometime. Nov 09 05:04:17 Maybe combine them all into a script and setup my own ad network... Nov 09 05:04:23 Good, I never got an e-mail from you today, reality9110 Nov 09 05:04:27 Did you send something? Nov 09 05:04:37 Roy-Pre101: No. A few days ago though. Nov 09 05:04:42 ah Nov 09 05:04:42 OK Nov 09 05:04:50 Thought I saw something about an e-mail today. Nov 09 05:04:58 nameservers have been repointed. Nov 09 05:04:59 I'll be sending out 1.0.3 tomorrow or Tuesday though Nov 09 05:05:06 Could take a while. Nov 09 05:05:22 reality9110: you're like, in my brain, man Nov 09 05:05:22 And you should flush your DNS if you want webos101 to go to the new site. Nov 09 05:05:26 And this next version, I need a lot of feedback. Nov 09 05:05:41 Oh, that was fast. Nov 09 05:05:46 Already pointing to the new site for me Nov 09 05:06:03 Because if it's good, it's shipping and going into promotion on the site Nov 09 05:06:25 Roy-Pre101: I think my DNS is still stale Nov 09 05:07:13 making a redirect there. Nov 09 05:09:41 Try loading webos101 and see if you get my redirect notice. Nov 09 05:10:42 yep, looks like it Nov 09 05:10:51 no notice, actually going to the new site Nov 09 05:12:09 excellent. My plan for world domination takes a step forward. Nov 09 05:13:48 alright. I have published my work so far toward an IRC client https://sourceforge.net/apps/wordpress/pound/ Nov 09 05:14:33 it 'works' but is far from complete Nov 09 05:18:48 for everybody that wants to make sexy screencasts for there app like you see people doing with their iPhone apps I just got done with this http://http://erickreutz.github.com/SimFinger/ Nov 09 05:19:12 ill get a video up sooner or later Nov 09 05:22:19 extra http:// in there Nov 09 05:23:57 edektor: very interesting. Nov 09 05:24:06 thanks Nov 09 05:24:48 Rubin: you're aware of wIRC ? Nov 09 05:24:50 edektor: Awesome. Nov 09 05:25:06 Roy-Pre101: thanks Nov 09 05:25:21 Can I beg a favor? Add a section to the wiki pointing to that? Nov 09 05:25:22 :) Nov 09 05:25:30 http://webos101.com Nov 09 05:25:44 Roy-Pre101: me add it? Nov 09 05:25:59 If you don't mind. If not, I'll get to it someday. :) Nov 09 05:26:20 rwhitby, negative Nov 09 05:26:38 What should I put it under "Tools" Nov 09 05:26:42 or :Misc." Nov 09 05:26:51 *"Misc" Nov 09 05:27:00 Rubin: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9978/homebrew-app-preview-wirc/ over in #wirc Nov 09 05:27:29 erm. that requires a rooted phone? Nov 09 05:27:51 Rubin: nothing requires a rooted phone any more Nov 09 05:28:00 you do need to install Preware Nov 09 05:28:09 wirc looks pretty awesome Nov 09 05:28:12 (or install it using WebOS Quick Install) Nov 09 05:28:15 wirc looks very awesome Nov 09 05:28:23 but its not using the standard SDK Nov 09 05:29:02 Rubin: yep, it's an FYI - not implying any competition for the same application space - the two apps have quite different positioning Nov 09 05:29:15 thats not doable with the standard SDK Nov 09 05:29:42 edektor: kinda can, using a proxy https://sourceforge.net/apps/wordpress/pound/ Nov 09 05:30:23 yeah I guess but that not a very good solution Nov 09 05:30:47 edektor: it's a great solution if you want to get it into the app catalog rather than Preware ;-) Nov 09 05:30:49 i agree Nov 09 05:31:17 Mmm, is wIRC in Preware now? Nov 09 05:31:34 nope, too alpha yet. Nov 09 05:31:47 ah, inferred too much from the comment above. Nov 09 05:32:06 I'd say it's a small number of weeks away from Preware. Nov 09 05:32:22 is it opensource? Nov 09 05:32:36 Rubin: yep, it's from webos-internals.org, which is all open source. Nov 09 05:32:53 am I missing the link to the source? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:WIRC Nov 09 05:33:28 indeed - too much is assumed, it's at git.webos-internals.org Nov 09 05:34:09 ahh, thanks Nov 09 05:35:45 I've updated the page to point there. Nov 09 05:36:16 * rwhitby bbl Nov 09 05:38:49 argh. Nov 09 05:39:04 Missed him. the .app link doesn't work on his thing Nov 09 05:58:22 edektor: Did you see my e-mail? Nov 09 05:59:10 Yeah just did.. Nov 09 05:59:46 the link from the from erickreutz@github.com/SimFinger is dead? Nov 09 06:00:01 Seems to be! Maybe I'm doing it wrong? Nov 09 06:00:41 yup it is.. One sec Nov 09 06:02:37 Roy-Pre101: now give it a try Nov 09 06:03:59 whoops, my twitter client hasn't been running for over 24 hours. I just only now noticed. :D Nov 09 06:04:12 I probably didn't miss anything. Nov 09 06:05:30 Roy-Pre101: is it working? Nov 09 06:15:40 edektor: Dunno, off to other pursuits at the moment, will check in 2 minutes Nov 09 06:16:15 k let me know Nov 09 06:28:51 edektor: Worked Nov 09 06:28:55 Now we need a pixi one, too Nov 09 06:29:18 Wonder if you could make the keys work.... Nov 09 06:29:34 yeah I cant find a large image for it though.. If you come by one let me know Nov 09 06:29:43 OK Nov 09 06:29:50 Write to Chuq. Nov 09 06:31:16 Hmm, don't even try to drag up out of the gesture area. Bad things happen! Nov 09 06:31:30 Roy-Pre101: Maybe I will Nov 09 06:41:21 edektor: So, can I tweet about SimFinger? Nov 09 06:47:21 Roy-Pre101: yeah go for it!! Nov 09 06:47:40 what is your username? Nov 09 06:47:46 Pre101 Nov 09 06:52:03 Roy-Pre101 you still up? Nov 09 06:52:14 so are there any ideas when the 1.3.1 will be available? Nov 09 06:57:11 because over here in germany we still have 1.1.3 Nov 09 06:57:31 Apropos of nothing: I love Silk Nog. Nov 09 07:49:18 so there is no idea when the update will be available? Nov 09 07:49:34 being still left on 1.1.3 feels kinda medieval Nov 09 08:18:46 joekinley: rumors are: in a week Nov 09 08:20:39 in america or also in germany MetaView? Nov 09 08:27:04 in Germany, I hope so Nov 09 10:55:26 * ElVox cackles with glee because of his arabic numeral calculator skin Nov 09 11:14:29 What are some good point to pick webos over the iphone and android ? Nov 09 11:41:38 tarelerulz1: if you have to ask the question, then the Pre is not for you ;-) Nov 09 11:42:45 That is not true , how does one learn if you don't ask sometimes. I sure you did not wake up know all that you need to know about Webos and the phone that is on Nov 09 11:44:01 tarelerulz1: sorry, I'm just joking. Nov 09 11:44:25 Ok cool, just some people are really like that if you don't know then your numb or something like that Nov 09 11:44:49 rwhitby, you direct me to that guy that know about gtream on webos Nov 09 11:44:57 tarelerulz1: but seriously, I do think it's a very personal choice. Nov 09 11:45:20 tarelerulz1: have you played with the emulator yet? Nov 09 11:45:38 tarelerulz1: zsoc in #webos-internals is our gstreamer guru Nov 09 11:45:41 No , I don't want to get all worked up haha Nov 09 11:45:59 yes, I talked to him Nov 09 11:46:14 that was very cool and he know his stuff Nov 09 11:46:43 tarelerulz1: ah, good. glad he could help. Nov 09 11:46:44 I might buy one for the hope that they do some cool stuff with gstream. Nov 09 11:48:23 I know everything use .mp4 ,but it lacks some cool features as container format . It does support subtitles ,but just one kind and I don't know of any thing that encodes sub in that format Nov 09 11:51:27 Good media support is one thing android seems to lack . It can do basics ,but nothing pro level . Forget open formats like ogg and mkv . Nov 09 11:52:07 In fact I don't know of any portable media play that really does support open formats well. They play ogg sound if you lucky Nov 09 11:54:05 tarelerulz1: sounds like you have a very specifici criteria that is important to you - that's what I mean about it being a personal choice. Nov 09 11:54:24 From what I read webos is close to what Linux should be on phone when done right . Google seem to wait and it well come which not very cool in something you buy. It works on Linux on computer , you can upgrade the mind set is different , I will put up with bug on computer . Nov 09 11:57:58 What would be hot if Google and Palm would just send me a phone to test and tell them what I like . So much cool stuff coming out haha. Not smart enough to code for them Nov 09 12:01:08 This may sound dumb ,but does the emulator work on Ubuntu 9.10 /Linux ? I am not dev person just joe blow Nov 09 12:01:56 the emulator works whereever VirtualBox works, which is Linux, MacOSX and Windows. Nov 09 12:02:19 (or Solaris too) Nov 09 12:02:52 That is very cool I have virtualbox is running xp . Nov 09 12:21:17 Hey all Nov 09 12:23:37 hi all! Nov 09 12:25:18 hi JenP and peteski Nov 09 12:25:30 morning bmyers Nov 09 12:25:33 lots of new apps in the catalog Nov 09 12:25:47 reallY? Nov 09 12:25:56 since i last looked anyway.. Nov 09 12:26:08 lol Nov 09 12:26:32 did u move yet Jenp? Nov 09 12:27:11 move? I wasn't moving anywhere. Nov 09 12:27:51 o, i thought u said u were moving.. Nov 09 12:28:08 lol i might have...everythings a blur. Nov 09 12:28:19 I moved a year ago Nov 09 12:28:21 i’m only on my 2nd cup -o-loe here Nov 09 12:28:27 i’m only on my 2nd cup -o-joe here Nov 09 12:28:33 see ^^ Nov 09 12:28:40 smiles...i feel that Nov 09 12:29:32 A question for Preware users: What are the top 3 things that a new Preware user should know. Nov 09 12:30:01 there’s no bottle opener on the pre? Nov 09 12:33:10 rwhitby - how to install patches, emergency patch recovery, and there is no download limit through preware Nov 09 12:34:21 JenP: I was thinking more about an initial one-shot splash screen to guide users to the places they won't discover by themselves. Nov 09 12:34:47 JenP: I've currently got: Nov 09 12:35:17 "On first launch, Preware will take some time to download the data for all enabled package feeds. You can dramatically reduce this initial startup time by using the Preferences screen to change how often the feeds are updated and by using the Manage Feeds screen to enable only your desired feeds. You can also use the Preferences screen to change the types of available packages that are listed separately on the main screen. To search for packages, Nov 09 12:35:20 just start typing in the List of Everything." Nov 09 12:36:27 bmyers: hi! Nov 09 12:36:47 Are people in here developers of apps? :D Nov 09 12:36:56 rwhitby: where will the user see this? on a website? Nov 09 12:37:14 we are indeed developers.. (mostly) Nov 09 12:37:30 Heh, cool. Thats what I wanted to find :D Nov 09 12:37:31 I'm a groupy Nov 09 12:37:36 JenP: on an initial splash screen the very first time they start Preware Nov 09 12:37:47 yeah, Jenp is our tiny dancer. Nov 09 12:37:55 ok...don't show this in paragraph format... Nov 09 12:38:00 bmyers...woot Nov 09 12:38:02 I just got my pre yesterday and now I want to get into the app stuff.. Im a developer by trade, but not for phone apps (or java) Nov 09 12:38:26 rwhitby: first initial paragraph followed by bullets highlighting each point Nov 09 12:38:30 pete: r u good with javascript? Nov 09 12:38:50 peteski: you'll have a blast. Nov 09 12:38:52 ok :) is that what its all about? Nov 09 12:38:56 JenP: :P Nov 09 12:39:12 To be honest, I've been a jQuery boy more recently, not standard JS Nov 09 12:39:57 well. the pre uses javascript and prototype Nov 09 12:42:01 Preware will take some time to download the data for all enabled package feeds. Nov 09 12:42:01 To reduce the startup time change how often managed feeds are updated. To do this select "Manage Feeds" from the "Preferences" menu.... Nov 09 12:42:20 rwhitby: something more along those lines... Nov 09 12:42:47 use more active voice. And write it to a 9th grade audience... Nov 09 12:49:44 prototype, thats alright. Nov 09 12:49:55 So all it runs in Js? Nov 09 12:50:12 is* Nov 09 12:50:20 nothing like Java etc.. Nov 09 12:50:59 peteski: nope. It's nice and simple Nov 09 12:51:04 hehe. suppose. Nov 09 12:51:13 bmyers: LOL listen to me..."simple" Nov 09 12:51:21 Why do you have to install things etc? if its only js files and a few images? Nov 09 12:51:46 what do things are you refering to? Nov 09 12:52:11 heh, sorry, I just read on pre-central that the apps had to be installed a certain way or something. Nov 09 12:52:29 Is "installing" just copying the files onto the pre somewhere it knows to look for apps? Nov 09 12:53:45 oh you mean homebrew apps Nov 09 12:53:52 peteski: if you head over to #webos-internals you can find out how to do the Java and C stuff under the hood ;-) Nov 09 12:53:55 Oh, yeah. sorry. Nov 09 12:54:07 download preware. it makes your life so much easier Nov 09 12:54:32 I think I know nothing right now.. so whats the difference between the Apps in the app store and homebrew ones? Nov 09 12:54:41 also, what is preware? (Ill google) Nov 09 12:55:06 package management. Nov 09 12:55:42 ah cool Nov 09 12:56:28 preware....homebrew app that will install programs...like homebrews version of the app catalog Nov 09 12:56:28 So you use preware to manage 'installing' ALL apps, even homebrew oens? Nov 09 12:56:33 ones* Nov 09 12:57:17 preware installs the homebrew ones not the official app catalog ones... Nov 09 12:57:26 Ok cool, can you just download/install this OTA? Nov 09 12:57:35 AND it will install patches Nov 09 12:57:46 And whats the difference between webos-internals and here? where does this java etc go down? Nov 09 12:57:52 patches for itself? Nov 09 12:57:57 http://www.precentral.net/how-to-install-homebrew-apps Nov 09 12:58:02 patches for your phone Nov 09 12:58:02 or for apps you use to download. Nov 09 12:58:13 JenP: I think I read that, do I HAVE to use a PC the first time? Nov 09 12:58:30 rwhitby: does he? Nov 09 12:58:33 I havent got one set up at home atm :< was hoping I could do it over the air or something on the pre Nov 09 12:58:41 peteski: Yep. Have to bootstrap somehow. Nov 09 12:58:51 rwhitby: ok, fair enough :P Nov 09 12:59:03 k guys i've gotta jet. time to make myself purty for work Nov 09 12:59:05 ttyl Nov 09 12:59:14 lol.. hf Nov 09 12:59:30 JenP: thx for the comments Nov 09 12:59:38 anytime rwhitby Nov 09 12:59:50 rwhitby: Where does the java stuff run on the pre then? I take it some apps are not just JS in that case? :) Nov 09 13:00:37 rwhitby: sent you a PM Nov 09 13:00:40 seeya guys Nov 09 13:00:42 bah lunch time. be back shortly! Nov 09 13:00:44 ciao! Nov 09 13:00:56 peteski: it's Linux underneath. The official SDK only allows JS. webos-internals opens up the layer underneath, above Linux. Nov 09 13:33:42 hey i found a quirk with the pre Nov 09 13:33:54 when you touch the area at the bottom then the button lights up Nov 09 13:34:20 if you now hold your finger there and turn the pre off (standby) the button remains lit up Nov 09 13:34:29 is that bad? Nov 09 13:35:41 i tried to replicate it Nov 09 13:35:46 and i dont get this Nov 09 13:35:59 i have webos 1.1.3 Nov 09 13:36:35 oh Nov 09 13:36:38 i got 1.2.1 Nov 09 13:36:49 then it seems to be fixed by that Nov 09 13:49:54 <_droO> joekinley-so thats what causes that? Nov 09 13:50:12 <_droO> that happened to me once, didnt realize it was due to that tho ;o Nov 09 13:55:04 rwhitby: Thanks, just got back and read that. So webos-internals is some kind of hack or something that allows you to do what you want in java etc? Is it worth the hassle, or is it better to stick with the javascript stuff? Nov 09 13:55:41 peteski: http://webos-internals.org/ is a project and community. Nov 09 13:55:49 ah :) Nov 09 13:56:02 My pre battery is rubbish, I'm a little sad :< but from reading on the net it seems thats just the way it is :< Nov 09 13:57:27 Hmn, is there a pre-emulator for dev purposes? so you can test stuff on a virtual pre so to speak Nov 09 13:58:14 yep Nov 09 13:58:18 see developer.palm.com Nov 09 13:59:01 Sweet, sorry about all these questions :< Nov 09 13:59:41 I'm in! :D Nov 09 14:00:26 I think I need a laptop :D rather than just my old desktop at home Nov 09 14:01:51 * rwhitby bbt Nov 09 14:02:44 :> Nov 09 14:31:35 Hello all Nov 09 14:58:19 wait Nov 09 15:39:03 Roy-Pre101: the wiki is broken again :( Nov 09 15:39:34 it is? Nov 09 15:39:51 working for me... Nov 09 15:39:55 What's not working? Nov 09 15:43:07 let me check again...was getting internal server error Nov 09 15:43:28 500 Internal Server Error Nov 09 15:43:44 oh wait...was data-net the old host? Nov 09 15:50:09 Yes Nov 09 15:50:15 sort-of Nov 09 15:50:30 You're getting a server error for my redirect page? Nov 09 15:50:38 I guess I messed up the .htaccess file. Nov 09 15:50:38 hmm...maybe DNS hasn't finished populating, but it was working for me last night...yes, I think so Nov 09 16:12:24 Roy-Pre101: you fixed it Nov 09 16:13:02 yay? I didn't do anything. :P Nov 09 16:14:35 hehe Nov 09 16:15:02 LOL Nov 09 16:15:08 * sugardave contemplates trying to beat doclee to the punch. Nov 09 16:15:27 on the other hand...my real job probably needs to be done, too Nov 09 16:21:43 Real job. Hmm, good point. Nov 09 16:55:00 hello all Nov 09 16:56:44 Roy-Pre101: dammit, broken again...I wonder if I have a caching issue Nov 09 16:57:56 Maybe? Nov 09 16:58:02 did you flush your dns? Nov 09 16:58:08 Still... even so. Nov 09 17:00:20 not yet...I have to reboot at some point today anyway Nov 09 17:08:17 sugardave: did you write this? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Storage_Database Nov 09 17:09:20 bmyers_here: yes he did. Nov 09 17:10:18 how come in the anon funcs, he passed args like this: function(transaction, results) Nov 09 17:10:54 and in the non-anon function he passes this: this.dbSuccessHandler.bind(this) Nov 09 17:11:44 i am trying to get the last inserted record like this: results.insertID and its undefined Nov 09 17:12:06 using a non-anon dbsuccesshandler Nov 09 17:12:36 called like this.dbSuccessHandler.bind(this) Nov 09 17:14:37 :o Nov 09 17:15:16 Can you write in Mono for Pre? Nov 09 17:15:21 (C#) Nov 09 17:15:30 Since Mono runs on linux Nov 09 17:15:55 bmyers_here: because I was/am a complete JS/this n00b Nov 09 17:15:57 peteski: one day we hope, but right now no one has ported it. Nov 09 17:16:02 ah :< Nov 09 17:16:08 I'm a .net person :< Nov 09 17:16:14 So its Java ftw? Nov 09 17:16:38 If you write services. But no webOS uses Javascript. Nov 09 17:17:34 "But no,"* Nov 09 17:17:43 :> Nov 09 17:18:40 bmyers_here: but if I see your question properly, the non-anon handler SHOULD have at least 'results' passed to it Nov 09 17:18:44 rwhitby said this earlier, but i was trying to figure out where the java fitted in, surely it must.. are all the games etc. solely JS blah blah ? :D Nov 09 17:19:57 peteski: Games can be written in JS perfectly fine it's just that there are a lot of bad ports out there. Nov 09 17:20:03 :] Nov 09 17:20:11 yeah, 666 is a really bad one Nov 09 17:20:29 I guess I havent used JS that much, for things other than basic UI.. jQuery webpage style Nov 09 17:21:11 jQuery doesn't wrap the canvas stuff so you probably haven't looked into it. The canvas can do pretty much all 2d games pretty well. Nov 09 17:21:43 Yeah, I just meant thats all Ive ever used.. someone was saying prototype here and JS. Nov 09 17:22:08 Prototype is the preferred framework since it's what Mojo was built for. Nov 09 17:22:58 and mojo .. is this a subset of an existing language? JS? or is it something else? :) Nov 09 17:24:07 Mojo is the framework for writing webOS apps and was based on Prototype. All JavaScript stuff. Nov 09 17:24:33 :) Nov 09 17:24:43 (Technically Mojo talks to the background services also, but that's all technical mumbo jumbo that normal users don't need to know). Nov 09 17:25:13 lol Nov 09 17:25:20 so its secretly more than JS :D Nov 09 17:25:26 sugardave: that was my question. yes. Nov 09 17:25:35 i am trying to get the last inserted record like this: results.insertID and its undefined Nov 09 17:25:39 using a non-anon dbsuccesshandler Nov 09 17:25:51 what about results, is it undefined/null? Nov 09 17:26:01 peteski: Yea, and that's what the webOS Internals peopel do also, they extend JS in a similar way through C services (or java, but mostly C) Nov 09 17:26:12 people* Nov 09 17:26:12 i’m inserting and not expecting much back Nov 09 17:26:14 I'm looking for the code I used insertId in.....gimme a few Nov 09 17:27:18 Since this is the #webos channel we don't talk about that hehe since it's over most peoples heads and would just confuse those writing normal Palm WebOS apps. Nov 09 17:30:32 Hi. I have a mojo-list. Each row contains a large title and beneath it a line of smaller text. Each is a single line of text. I want to implement an edit-in-place style UI (in line with palm guidelines) for the title. I can capture the Mojo.Event.hold just fine, but then I don't know where to go next - how to deliver the actual edit-in-place ui. I haven't seen any good examples. (I see the calendar app, day view does something like this). Nov 09 17:30:32 anyone outline a general approach I can use to deliver the ui in this fashion? Thanks. /duncan. Nov 09 17:31:21 Templarian: Cool, thanks ! :D Nov 09 17:31:37 I'll keep it down :P Nov 09 17:32:05 I HATE WHEN THE SDK IS WRONG!!!! Nov 09 17:35:18 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1734 Nov 09 17:35:32 bmyers_here: What is it? Nov 09 17:35:37 it says results.insertID and it’s insertId Nov 09 17:35:55 it is case sensitive DANGIT!!! Nov 09 17:35:57 yes, it is insertId Nov 09 17:36:05 just found it :D Nov 09 17:36:08 well i know that now... Nov 09 17:36:11 bmyers_here: did you bind your ' key to "?" Nov 09 17:36:12 you'r welcome Nov 09 17:37:00 Temp: yes, thats all fine. it was the SDK listing the wrong thing is what screwed me Nov 09 17:37:05 I was trying for HOURS to get .openUrl to work on a WebView widget....turns out it's .openURL Nov 09 17:38:21 that kind of s&^%$ pisses me off Nov 09 17:38:48 well, in my case, it was right in the SDK, I just wasn't looking hard enough at the case Nov 09 17:38:50 I wish JavaScript had Ruby's ability to set up a function for method not defined or property not defined. Then you could do some interesting things with misspellings. Nov 09 17:38:53 i cant get that part of my life back now cause some dingbat doesnt use copy/paste Nov 09 17:41:25 ok, i’’m calm(er) now.. Nov 09 17:43:16 nn all Nov 09 17:51:20 bmyers, i have felt for years that microsoft is the biggest name in software development not because of the quality of their tools but because of the quality of their documentation. need to know something about a method? its documented, along with its arguments, return values, example usage in 2-3 languages, and lists caveats or other known issues. Nov 09 17:53:10 it is a pain to see simple spelling errors in technical a document. that is why lately i have been looking at the SDK (i have the whole palm directory indexed so I can just search for that pesky method or property and see the actual implementation or an example usage) Nov 09 17:54:41 people who want ads in their apps: AdMob to be purchased by Google Nov 09 17:56:52 I'm feeling lucky this week Nov 09 17:57:08 I KNOW Mind Master will be updated this week....it has to be Nov 09 18:06:25 does anyone have a definitive list of arguments that can be passed to stageAssistant.pushScene? Nov 09 18:08:16 incidentist: no Nov 09 18:08:18 how's that? Nov 09 18:08:19 :D Nov 09 18:08:38 the only one I know about is 'disableScroller' Nov 09 18:08:38 it has a helpfulness of greater than zero Nov 09 18:08:47 let Nov 09 18:08:58 s assemble one right now. Nov 09 18:09:09 well, it's naplunch time Nov 09 18:09:34 bah Nov 09 18:09:50 it should be contributetodocsnaplunch time Nov 09 18:10:21 hey Nov 09 18:10:30 hey atlanta Nov 09 18:10:37 incidentist: what you up to my man Nov 09 18:10:59 trying to compile a list of all the crap you can pass to stageAssistant.pushScene() Nov 09 18:11:38 "name", "sceneTemplate", "disableSceneScroller"...um... Nov 09 18:11:51 oh cool cool Nov 09 18:12:27 the appId thing that lets you push scenes from other apps Nov 09 18:12:56 today my goal is to learn more about the headless apps and setting notifications Nov 09 18:13:07 kinda confused on it right about now Nov 09 18:13:22 you mean the pubsub stuff? Nov 09 18:13:32 or banners? Nov 09 18:13:42 yea like banners and stuff Nov 09 18:13:58 cool Nov 09 18:14:02 and sending the params and scene to delegate Nov 09 18:14:08 maybe you can help me with this Nov 09 18:14:27 whats the best way to set an alarm that calls the app everyday at a set time Nov 09 18:14:43 i know the alarm app have a time type thing but nothing to make it repeat Nov 09 18:15:03 i dunno much about headless whatzits, but i think alarms should be set using the alarm service? Nov 09 18:15:25 yea Nov 09 18:16:05 service not so complete though Nov 09 18:19:00 i guess i just gotta reset the alarm after one goes off Nov 09 18:19:01 grr Nov 09 18:19:15 Elvox: palm directory indexed with what? Nov 09 18:19:47 windows search service (in vista)...i guess you could use google desktop search too Nov 09 18:20:05 ew! you actually let that run on ur pc? Nov 09 18:20:27 maybe it doesnt suck like it does in XP.. Nov 09 18:20:36 i found it to be a hog.. Nov 09 18:20:55 [cooso]: ping Nov 09 18:21:16 ElVox: install windows 7 Nov 09 18:21:27 on xp it is a nightmare, on vista (well 2008 server) it is actually pretty good Nov 09 18:21:31 u like windows 7? Nov 09 18:21:34 hell yea Nov 09 18:21:41 that was my idea... Nov 09 18:21:41 i am a long time xp fan Nov 09 18:21:48 :) Nov 09 18:21:52 and windows 7 actually satisfied me Nov 09 18:21:58 they did a really goo djob Nov 09 18:22:01 good** Nov 09 18:22:01 hehe they didn't have windows 2008 r2 yet when i got my serial number so i am stuck with 2008 ent Nov 09 18:22:46 and the xp mode in ultimate is good Nov 09 18:22:54 for those apps that go cucu Nov 09 18:23:05 pretty cool how it works Nov 09 18:23:41 boot times are like xp unlike vista Nov 09 18:30:06 okee doke. http://webos101.com/Mojo.Controller.StageController Nov 09 18:30:27 now it's real-job time. Nov 09 18:33:24 good job thanks Nov 09 18:48:09 incidentist: http://webos101.com/Mojo.Transition Nov 09 18:48:11 how does that look Nov 09 18:48:23 i didnt get to test the code but i believe thats how i did it in one of my apps Nov 09 18:57:03 atlanta: awesome. Nov 09 18:57:32 there used to be a sliding transition i think, but now i can't find mention of it. someone had asked about it in the forums, so i wonder if it's still there, just hard to find. Nov 09 18:57:54 yea most of that stuff is in the those framework js filse Nov 09 18:58:04 im gonna add some ex. to your page in a min Nov 09 18:58:40 cool Nov 09 19:02:56 anyone havea link to how i can turn a link into a clickable link in mojo? Nov 09 19:03:00 one that spawns a browser Nov 09 19:08:08 I think Mojo.Format.runTextIndexer is supposed to do that. Nov 09 19:08:13 http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Format.html#.runTextIndexer Nov 09 19:08:43 that is right Nov 09 19:09:33 incidentist: http://webos101.com/Mojo.Controller.StageController Nov 09 19:10:53 all looks about right Nov 09 19:13:21 thanks Nov 09 19:45:45 . Nov 09 19:56:26 . Nov 09 19:56:44 .? Nov 09 19:57:52 G'day Nov 09 19:58:53 hello Nov 09 19:59:13 egaudet: not seeing any messages on wirc Nov 09 19:59:13 ? Nov 09 19:59:50 wIRC fails on #webos Nov 09 19:59:58 PuffTheMagic: Just putting will make it open the browser. Nov 09 20:00:01 No magic required. Nov 09 20:00:28 Roy-Pre101: by any chance did you fix those things? Nov 09 20:02:13 kesne-school: Not yet. Nov 09 20:02:46 Roy-Pre101: No worries, just try to fit it in sometime today Nov 09 20:03:10 Will do Nov 09 20:03:35 danke! Nov 09 20:04:10 what needs fixing Nov 09 20:04:10 ? Nov 09 20:07:58 yea don't mind me sorry Nov 09 20:08:02 wirc work :P Nov 09 20:08:10 Google buys AdMob for $750 Million http://bit.ly/3TTF4e Nov 09 20:08:33 thats crazy Nov 09 20:08:39 im about to make me an ad network Nov 09 20:08:49 how long have they been around Nov 09 20:08:49 ? Nov 09 20:09:33 nevermind about page said it all Nov 09 20:10:10 and playfish got bought by EA for $400M Nov 09 20:10:21 lesson: make ads, not games Nov 09 20:21:10 during a gold rush, dont dig for gold Nov 09 20:21:18 sell shovels.. Nov 09 20:26:20 Hello Nov 09 20:31:23 How many underscores is that? Nov 09 20:32:04 It appears to be about 4. :) First time I've used this irc client actually. Nov 09 20:37:51 . Nov 09 20:43:49 hi Nov 09 20:43:52 hi Nov 09 20:44:10 why are you saying hi to yourself? lol Nov 09 20:44:37 fixing wirc sorry Nov 09 20:45:01 ah, there was the\at problem that was only on #webos? Nov 09 20:46:10 well it was noticed only on #webos, due to case sensitivity (#webOS and #webos are both sent on different irc messagesf rom this channel) Nov 09 20:46:17 well from the irc server i should say Nov 09 20:46:43 so I fix now I stop cluttering irc space :P Nov 09 20:46:56 ok Nov 09 20:49:19 Good evening! Can anybody give me some hints on how to call a web service within an webOS application? Nov 09 20:50:16 okay, this has been bugging me since I got my Pre. I can't figure out why sometimes the phone locks as soon as I put it to sleep and sometimes it doesn't. Nov 09 20:50:29 Does anybody know what makes the difference? Nov 09 20:51:48 nonpolaar: You want to use AJAX for that. you use the standard ajax facilities, nothing particularly special for webOS. You can use Prototype's ajax functions. Nov 09 20:52:23 There's a little ajax sample here: http://webos101.com/Getting_JSON_From_An_External_MySQL_Database Nov 09 20:52:57 And a few more ajax samples on the wiki. Should have a special one dedicated to just ajax on there but no one has written it yet. Nov 09 20:53:18 Roy-Pre101: Okay - maybe I have to mention that this Is my first time using JavaScript - Is it possible to call a Web Service within a piece of code who is located on an arbitrary server? Nov 09 20:53:56 the code or web service is arbitrarily placed? Nov 09 20:55:29 Roy-Pre101: Say we have an assitant for a scene and we want to call the service getPizza from foo.pizza.com? This should be possible, shouldn't it? Nov 09 20:55:50 yes Nov 09 20:56:09 foo pizza sucks, though. I wouldn't order it. Nov 09 20:56:25 Roy-Pre101: I am asking since a friend told me that JavaScript is just allowed to make a request to the location where the script is located... Nov 09 20:56:31 no, that's false. Nov 09 20:56:56 webOS "relaxes" the cross-domain policy Nov 09 20:57:05 Well, it may be true under certain circumstances, but not on webOS. Nov 09 20:57:09 yeah, its complicated Nov 09 20:57:12 So that is just true for firefox, ie etc? Nov 09 20:57:18 js is complicated Nov 09 20:57:21 nonpolaar: true for most everything Nov 09 20:57:34 nonpolaar: mostly, yes. there are hacks to get around though, but dont worry about them Nov 09 20:57:39 This question seems to come up a lot. Nov 09 20:57:50 Should put something on webOS101.com. Nov 09 20:57:59 Definitely would help :) Nov 09 20:58:12 incidentist wrote a great article on CSS transformations I hope to post shortly. Nov 09 20:58:27 I am experiencing JavaScript as totally confusing at the moment :D Nov 09 20:58:34 *&^@!$ work patches. I will be disappearing, as if by magic, sometime soon Nov 09 20:58:38 we should like to ##javascript for people who really only need help with js stuff and not necessarily webos stuff Nov 09 20:58:50 nonpolaar: did you read Javascript: The Good Parts yet? Nov 09 20:59:23 nope... I am having a book here - but it turned out as being useless... Nov 09 20:59:32 nonpolaar: what book? Nov 09 20:59:38 It's a german book Nov 09 20:59:50 JS:TGP has a german version. :) Nov 09 20:59:59 called JavaScript - Einstieg für Anspruchsvolle Nov 09 21:00:00 nonpolaar: most js books are crap, really... Nov 09 21:00:58 * sugardave can attest to the power of the Douglas Crockford book. "I never touched JS until June. Now, I'm REALLY dangerous!" Nov 09 21:01:01 I am looking for a book for people who have a strong programming background - not like the one I have here.... this is more like: I did not ever wrote a single line of code and now i am learning JavaScript Nov 09 21:01:21 I can attest to that. sugardave shouldn't be allowed near sharp silverware. Nov 09 21:01:48 that's very true...ask destinal about my database/php insecurity :D Nov 09 21:02:06 this book: http://books.google.com/books?id=fDr5hQp2g1AC&dq=javascript+Einstieg+f%C3%BCr+Anspruchsvolle&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=gfwQFgyPuq&sig=qo2ufQia_FU-o5i9gfrw6byy9jE&hl=en&ei=JYP4SsryCYHL8QbT3u3zCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=&f=false ? Nov 09 21:02:23 but yeah, javascript the good parts is really the only good JS book available Nov 09 21:03:21 * sugardave is also gleaning other things from the Rhino book. Nov 09 21:04:05 gkatsev: yap, this is the one i am having here Nov 09 21:04:18 What about Java Script The Definitve guide? Nov 09 21:04:32 that's the rhino book Nov 09 21:04:38 great for reference Nov 09 21:04:38 ah ok :D Nov 09 21:04:45 yeah, thats like the 2nd best book for js Nov 09 21:04:48 but you want The Good Parts Nov 09 21:04:58 there are also one or two john resig books about js as well Nov 09 21:05:13 so, you could count all the GOOD js books on one hand Nov 09 21:05:23 sounds like it :D Nov 09 21:05:38 Anyone here an expert on the orientation API? I can't tell the different between the device leaning slightly back and slightly forward in upright portrait mode. Details in this post here: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3099&p=11357#p11357 Nov 09 21:05:59 alright... thanks for answering my noobish JavaScript questions .) I will order some books now :D Nov 09 21:06:33 nonpolaar: also, ##javascript is very helpful for js questions. they even have a js bot evaluator Nov 09 21:07:27 rob_____: haven't looked at orientation stuff yet Nov 09 21:07:42 gkatsev: I will have a look @ #javascript Nov 09 21:08:20 rob_____: When you figure it out, please post it to webos101.com Nov 09 21:08:40 I'll be happy to. Unfortunately, I don't think it's fixable without an API change. Nov 09 21:08:44 nonpolaar: there are two #, one for the channel and one for the name. Nov 09 21:09:33 #poundjavascript hehe Nov 09 21:09:42 The orientation variable doesn't change when you're in an upright mode so you can't really tell the orientation of the device. Nov 09 21:09:43 gkatsev: d'oh... that's something I haven't seen yet on IRC ;) Nov 09 21:10:15 nonpolaar: yeah, it seems popular for languages. ##c is the C lanugage channel Nov 09 21:10:27 and there are some others as well Nov 09 21:10:34 not exactly sure why... Nov 09 21:11:21 rob_____, you can listen to the raw orientation changes Nov 09 21:12:06 You mean the pitch and roll values returned or something else? Nov 09 21:12:17 yea you can use the pitch roll Nov 09 21:12:32 the raw x,y,z accel can be listened to as well, though it isn't well documented Nov 09 21:12:59 you'd have to listen to the raw events and calculate the thresholds etc... yourself to account for the forward/backward tilt Nov 09 21:13:09 However, the issue with the pitch and roll is that it repeats. Nov 09 21:13:24 Thanks againg for your help... have a nice evening! bye! Nov 09 21:13:44 it's not trivial in the sense that you can just listen to an event in the current API that will change when the pre is tilted forward/backward Nov 09 21:14:05 y-plane rotation I guess Nov 09 21:14:12 Wow...that would be really unfortunate. Don't the sensors in the device measure the devices position itself? Nov 09 21:14:13 you'd have to caclulate it yourself Nov 09 21:14:44 rob_____, the accelerometer will give you the x,y,z accel in G's Nov 09 21:14:59 I think I get it. If I use the raw accelerometer data, I might be able to figure out at least the difference between leaning back and leaning forward. I'll start playing with those values now. Nov 09 21:15:07 Thanks for the pointer. Nov 09 21:15:39 basically for the portrait/landscape stuff, they put it in the binaries and calculated the raw events and created a mojo event to trigger when things crossed certain thresholds Nov 09 21:15:59 you basically want to do the same thing, and you CAN do that all in the mojo by listening to the raw events. Nov 09 21:16:24 Start off by listening to the raw events and outputting the numbers so you can see more clearly what's going on Nov 09 21:17:03 exactly. I'm modifying my test program right now to watch the extra data. Nov 09 21:24:57 egaudet_work: Thanks a lot. The raw accelerometer data is exactly what I need. Nov 09 21:25:20 It basically provides a unit length vector pointing towards the ground relative to the device. Nov 09 21:25:41 Very easy to use. Nov 09 21:26:59 how are you testing accelerometer in the emulator? Nov 09 21:27:27 I'm running it on the device itself. Don't know of any way to test it in the emulator. Nov 09 21:28:00 ah, just outputting data in a div or something? Nov 09 21:28:14 Exactly. Just a test app that updates a div. Nov 09 21:28:19 okay, cool Nov 09 21:32:04 Hey Roy, how do I add a new page to the webos101 wiki? I'd like to add the Accelerometer page and post this info. The "Help:Starting a new page" page link is blank. :) Nov 09 21:32:40 haha, just register an account, then "search" the title you want to make, should take you to the editing page Nov 09 21:33:32 Got it, thanks. Nov 09 21:33:37 * sugardave sighs. "The world's crappiest BOFH Excuse Generator has almost 1K downloads and a 3.8-star rating. People are desperate." Nov 09 21:35:14 It makes me really sad to only have 2.5 stars for my Altimeter app. I had a 4 star review until there was some problem and people couldn't download it. Got a number of 0 star reviews complaining about the d/l process, not the app. Oh well. Nov 09 21:35:44 rob_____: if that's on the official catalog, then those non-app reviews will be eliminated "at some point" Nov 09 21:35:53 * rwhitby thinks ratings systems are fundamentally flawed. Nov 09 21:36:25 That would be welcome. Wish I could prod that to happen earlier. I've had 650+ downloads in about 100 days, but with the last 4 reviews being negative, the downloads slowed to a crawl. Nov 09 21:37:11 I'm at just over 100 d/ls....been waiting for Palm to approve my update for over a week now....hoping updated graphics/description will get my ratings up Nov 09 21:37:17 Oops, I meant 10 days, not 100. :) Nov 09 21:37:23 nice Nov 09 21:37:36 it took me 7 days to get to 100 :D Nov 09 21:37:39 heh Nov 09 21:37:42 i think i had 100k last week Nov 09 21:37:49 I've got an update queued for review too...should help the users who can't get a good lock. Nov 09 21:37:57 Awesome Dawm! Nov 09 21:38:13 dawm: rolling in the dough... Nov 09 21:38:24 not yet, thats homebrew download stats Nov 09 21:38:28 Dawm--what's your app? Nov 09 21:38:34 PreJeweled Nov 09 21:39:28 gotta change the name before it goes to the app catalog =/ Nov 09 21:39:28 Very cool. Nov 09 21:39:44 dawm: was wondering about that Nov 09 21:40:01 havent worked on it since august =/ finally got the motivation to do so, life's been busy Nov 09 21:40:02 dawm: any cool stuff planned for that? Nov 09 21:40:18 fixed a major bug people were complaining about, and a bunch of other stuff Nov 09 21:40:21 * sugardave will make an app called Pixi Stix. Nov 09 21:40:26 dawm: what bug? Nov 09 21:40:41 wasnt clearing a 3x3 match Nov 09 21:40:50 ah, weird Nov 09 21:41:07 3x3 match would be? Nov 09 21:41:19 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/198495-prejeweled-7.html#post2023010 Nov 09 21:41:26 shown with smilies ;p Nov 09 21:41:56 ah, both horizontal and vertical match atm? Nov 09 21:42:46 yeah Nov 09 21:43:00 cool, cool Nov 09 21:43:00 it would only clear horizontal for some reason, finally narrowed it down and fixed it Nov 09 21:43:05 was wondering about that Nov 09 21:43:17 just finished the blitz mode Nov 09 21:43:32 gotta dump it to my pre to test it on the device Nov 09 21:43:33 brb Nov 09 21:43:44 damnit Nov 09 21:43:47 dawm: need beta testers? Nov 09 21:43:48 oops Nov 09 21:43:50 wrong chan Nov 09 21:43:51 sorry Nov 09 21:44:12 not yet, but im sure i will soon :P Nov 09 21:44:20 grrr mad that the pre wont play google voice voicemails Nov 09 21:44:24 dawm: let me know. prejewled is awesome Nov 09 21:44:33 atlanta: is your ringer switch set to vibrate? Nov 09 21:44:45 how DARE you curse in this channel, PuffTheMagic Nov 09 21:44:47 dammit Nov 09 21:45:12 gkatsev: lol no its not that they dont play the streaming app errors Nov 09 21:45:19 but if i download and put on the phone it plays Nov 09 21:45:26 ah, weird Nov 09 21:45:30 yea Nov 09 21:45:33 Google Magic Nov 09 21:45:33 you got GV? Nov 09 21:45:39 atlanta: i do Nov 09 21:45:54 its awesome. also, i love my number: 573-GKATSEV :D Nov 09 21:47:20 wIRC works in #webos now :) Nov 09 21:47:43 sure does Nov 09 21:47:55 so late! Nov 09 21:48:17 i'm like 10 messages behind on my pre because my connection is so bad here :P Nov 09 21:48:19 just confirming since u didnt mark it off ont he todo Nov 09 21:48:29 yeah mad lag over evdo Nov 09 21:51:50 Hey Roy...I've thrown my findings and some example code on the wiki: http://webos101.com/Accelerometer Nov 09 21:52:14 The accelerometer page doesn't show up yet under services...and I don't do a great job summarizing everything it can do, but it's something. Nov 09 21:52:33 Feel free to nuke it or move it if it's not in the spirit of what you're looking for. Nov 09 21:55:36 anybody on here from palm know where I can find a life size image of the pixi Nov 09 21:58:02 like this http://www.teehanlax.com/blog/?p=1675 Nov 09 21:58:16 you have to add it to services rob_____ Nov 09 21:58:45 I'd like to, but I'm not smart enough. Nov 09 21:59:27 ok adding now Nov 09 21:59:36 How do you do it? Nov 09 22:01:13 rob_____: done Nov 09 22:01:16 i did it Nov 09 22:01:22 [[Category:Services]] Nov 09 22:01:26 to the bottom of the post Nov 09 22:01:33 Ah...thanks. Nov 09 22:01:40 yup Nov 09 22:02:49 ah, flpalm left Nov 09 22:02:56 Who is in here... Nov 09 22:03:15 Apparently, I am three times Nov 09 22:03:46 Is derek_ who I think it is (precenteral derek) Nov 09 22:04:02 nope. :) Nov 09 22:04:31 Ah alright, thought I'd ask Nov 09 22:05:37 _droO is here, how's the app? Nov 09 22:39:49 rob_____: Thanks! Nov 09 22:39:58 I haven't read it yet but I'm looking forward to reading it. Nov 09 22:42:10 Cool. Edit mercilessly. Nov 09 22:43:09 How goes it everyone? Nov 09 22:45:23 Hehe Nov 09 22:54:03 I have -got- to try out jsPDF to see if you can have your app create a PDF you can attach to an e-mail. Nov 09 22:58:24 hello Nov 09 22:58:25 Roy-Pre101: I bet you can Nov 09 22:58:38 is there a way have mojo log standard js errors? Nov 09 22:58:54 I don't have -any- use for that in any of my apps but I just think it would be excellent to be able to do it Nov 09 22:59:16 It usually says.. something along the lines of.. an error occured in file undefined at line undefined ;) Nov 09 23:00:02 Roy-Pre101: So if you have a parse error in one of your classes you just sift through it to find it? There are no hints as to where the error occured. Nov 09 23:00:24 datafirm: he's talking about something else Nov 09 23:00:25 for example, I was missing a ':' in one of my switch statements and it took me about an hour to find the parse error. Nov 09 23:00:25 :D Nov 09 23:00:29 ahh. lol Nov 09 23:00:36 i was going to say.. :) Nov 09 23:00:41 hahaha Nov 09 23:00:49 yeah, screw that line number crap Nov 09 23:00:54 who needs it? Nov 09 23:00:58 :-D Nov 09 23:01:08 * datafirm needs lines numbers Nov 09 23:01:23 use jslint Nov 09 23:01:29 I think when you see line undefined, it's happening in a different js file than the one it's reporting Nov 09 23:01:36 from Nov 09 23:01:44 that happens to me a lot Nov 09 23:02:04 me too. since I lots of my business logic is happening in models and libraries. Nov 09 23:02:07 hmm Nov 09 23:02:19 time to try/catch everything in your libraries Nov 09 23:02:26 it's your only hope Nov 09 23:03:15 try/catch is your friend. Use it liberally. Nov 09 23:03:35 ok.. so that will display my exceptions? Nov 09 23:04:43 Roy-Pre101: cheers! that is helping. Nov 09 23:07:16 omg, this is soo helpful. from my main app launch point now it will report real errors from the other models and classes! Nov 09 23:11:59 Pre101: pdf from your webos app? If it relies on writing a file locally it wouldnt work? Nov 09 23:12:18 The library can use data URI's Nov 09 23:12:23 can output... Nov 09 23:25:05 probably asked a bunch, but I'm going to do it anyway...what is the format of the app catalog URL to published apps? Nov 09 23:29:31 ah, nevermind....duh Nov 09 23:35:21 Who is willing to be the lab-rat tester for VocShop Games newest little item com.vocshop.snowglobe ???? Nov 09 23:37:08 Pre101: Are you talking about this one? http://code.google.com/p/jspdf/ Nov 09 23:37:55 Roy-Pre101 ? bmyers_here ? someone? Nov 09 23:37:57 is there a way to activate a pre and get past that initial screen without sprint service Nov 09 23:38:08 mikedg-blau yes Nov 09 23:38:23 go to webos-internals wiki and search for meta doctor Nov 09 23:38:24 rick: where could i find the directions? Nov 09 23:38:26 thanks! Nov 09 23:38:28 all your pre's belong to us Nov 09 23:38:42 im canceling my pre line :( Nov 09 23:38:52 sorry Nov 09 23:39:01 mike Nov 09 23:39:12 ok Nov 09 23:39:15 I'm off to home Nov 09 23:39:17 bbl Nov 09 23:43:30 anyone want to buy a sero line? Nov 09 23:43:41 does one have to explicitly set the size of the ImageView to get full screen? Nov 10 00:00:52 hmmm...prototype doesn't give timeout/onTimeout for an Ajax request? Nov 10 00:03:19 sugardave: http://codejanitor.com/wp/2006/03/23/ajax-timeouts-with-prototype/ Nov 10 00:03:51 <_droO> thanks dave Nov 10 00:03:57 <_droO> ive been having an issue with that actually Nov 10 00:04:05 <_droO> ;o wasnt sure if was just EVDO, but i think thats why Nov 10 00:04:59 fearphage: was just looking at that, too and now checking the Responders thing Nov 10 00:05:00 thanks Nov 10 00:05:47 Is there a link to that in webos101? Nov 10 00:26:31 dfsdfs Nov 10 00:28:02 okay, now this is strange. using the Requests object, I put out a message when a request is made and when completed. I use setInterval to call my function that makes the requests. the first time, I get one pair of messages, 2nd time, 2 requests/completes, 3rd time 3, etc. Nov 10 00:28:06 wth? Nov 10 00:32:57 oh shit, it's because it's setInterval Nov 10 00:33:04 *sheepish grin* Nov 10 00:33:11 no wonder AdMob stops serving me ads Nov 10 00:36:47 hi all! Nov 10 00:38:29 hmm...changing to setTimeout and moving things around still doesn't help.... Nov 10 00:42:19 what do toggles return in their payload... true/false or the label values Nov 10 00:42:42 PuffTheMagic: I think you can set it in the attributes to what you want Nov 10 00:42:55 to send Nov 10 00:43:02 hmmm Nov 10 00:43:42 it's like the attributes for other widgets like 'disabledProperty' : false, but the actual property name escapes me Nov 10 00:57:03 anyone know how we get the ipk off our phones to make a backup? Nov 10 01:03:35 which ipk? Nov 10 01:10:48 the ones i've bought Nov 10 01:11:09 i think i'm gonna need to reset my phong Nov 10 01:11:13 phone Nov 10 01:14:48 apps you bought are saved in your profile, and should still be there after you webos-doctor Nov 10 01:14:58 awesome! thanks! Nov 10 01:19:26 JenP_studying, may i ask why you are doctoring your phone? Nov 10 01:22:45 sure! I'm working on an app and I'm not getting the responses I thought I would Nov 10 01:23:03 so I'm not sure if it's the app or all the patches I've put on it... Nov 10 01:23:15 so i figure I should start clean Nov 10 01:23:28 ...the app...runs great in emulator... Nov 10 01:24:37 Well, troubleshooting can sometimes be more enlightening, but doctoring never hurt i suppose. Nov 10 01:24:41 You could try just running EPR Nov 10 01:24:54 i thought of that... Nov 10 01:25:05 it will be my first move Nov 10 01:25:10 or maybe check out canucksoftwares repair utility, just to see file differences... an entire doctor man not be necessary :) Nov 10 01:25:32 repair utility? i didn't know there was one Nov 10 01:25:38 I'll look into it thanks Nov 10 01:26:07 * sugardave cannot figure out the geometrically increasing amount of Ajax requests his app is sending. Nov 10 01:26:46 i think that's what it's called. can't remember, honestly I just use gnu find to check for .orig files :) Nov 10 01:30:34 JenP_studying: Don't you read my blog where I talked about the repair utility? Nov 10 01:31:13 no i didn't see that one Nov 10 01:31:41 That was pretty assumptive, ha. Nov 10 01:32:18 OH I'm a Pre101 devotee... Nov 10 01:33:05 It was in the interview with Jason, who wrote it. Nov 10 01:34:22 how do you turn off the scrolling in an app? Nov 10 01:36:04 Don't put more than one screenfull? Nov 10 01:36:07 :) Nov 10 01:36:13 lol Nov 10 01:37:08 JenP_studying: Sorry, don't remember right now and I'm stuck on something else. Nov 10 01:37:37 JenP_studying, your question confuses me, I'm pretty sure it doesn't scroll by default Nov 10 01:38:47 JenP_studying, but setting the height and width of the div explicitly would stop the scroller from working (in my experience) Nov 10 01:39:35 Anybody want to beta test? Nov 10 01:39:41 Checkers Pro 1.1.0 Nov 10 01:39:44 Email me Nov 10 01:39:49 jordan.gensler@gmail.com Nov 10 02:02:15 incidentist: Hey Nov 10 02:02:30 hey there Nov 10 02:04:23 JenP_studying: you can always pass {'disableSceneScroller': true} to push/swapScene Nov 10 02:53:40 Looking for contributions to pre101.com. Anyone interested in writing some app reviews? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 10 02:59:57 2009