**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 11 02:59:56 2009
Nov 11 03:06:20 <sugardave> reality9110: interested in your thoughts on this: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3154&start=0
Nov 11 03:06:55 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone here checked out Google's new language Go?  http://golang.org
Nov 11 03:08:13 <sugardave> not yet
Nov 11 03:09:49 <bryanroth> Roy-Pre101: checking it out now
Nov 11 03:18:11 <whatsit> using wIRC on my pre from webos internals. pretty cool :)
Nov 11 03:19:46 <rbredow> Are there a lot of dependencies to install that?  I like having a "mostly-stock" Pre, but wIRC is pretty tempting.
Nov 11 03:20:30 <haeffb> preware, wircd, wirc
Nov 11 03:20:49 <whatsit> nah. install preware and it takes care of the rest
Nov 11 03:23:40 <reality9110> Pathetic Admob
Nov 11 03:23:41 <KrisSiegel> there is always the emergency patch to remove it all anyway
Nov 11 03:23:53 <rbredow> That convinces me.  :)
Nov 11 03:24:54 <sugardave> reality9110: I got my fill rate to stop sucking based on what I posted in that thread
Nov 11 03:25:26 <sugardave> somewhat...I don't know how many people still have the old version of the app
Nov 11 03:25:44 <whatsit> so what would an app in the app store be doing to cause the app store to crash when it's updated?
Nov 11 03:26:23 <reality9110> sugardave: What's yoru fill rate?
Nov 11 03:26:25 <reality9110> yoru
Nov 11 03:26:27 <reality9110> Damn
Nov 11 03:26:33 <reality9110> y...o...u...r
Nov 11 03:27:03 <sugardave> currently around 65%....WAY up from the 25% I was getting yesterday and day before
Nov 11 03:27:08 <sugardave> but the day just started for them
Nov 11 03:27:21 <reality9110> It's always highest at the beginning of the day
Nov 11 03:27:24 <sugardave> I also don't get the huge spans of no ads delivered to my emulator that I was getting
Nov 11 03:27:27 <sugardave> I know
Nov 11 03:27:39 <sugardave> I had CTLAdvance check it against some of his code and he found something similar
Nov 11 03:27:43 <sugardave> waiting to hear his fill rates
Nov 11 03:27:56 <sugardave> oh
Nov 11 03:28:05 <sugardave> yeah, yesterday I ended with 48%
Nov 11 03:28:06 <sugardave> sorry
Nov 11 03:28:24 <reality9110> I ended yesterday with only 26%
Nov 11 03:28:28 <whatsit> trying to update Stopwatch / Timer crashes the app store... an app store problem or a problem with the app?
Nov 11 03:28:35 <reality9110> 162,500 ad requests
Nov 11 03:28:40 <sugardave> that's what I had day before yesterday
Nov 11 03:28:53 <sugardave> I only had about 6.5K requests
Nov 11 03:33:11 <sugardave> whatsit: unknown....have you rebooted your Pre?
Nov 11 03:34:27 <whatsit> sugardave: yeah a couple times
Nov 11 03:36:26 <whatsit> I am not the only one with the problem either. someone else mentioned it in their review
Nov 11 03:39:04 <rbredow> People are having that problem with my app too ("altimeter").  It just seems to go away after a few days (at least for the couple of people who have contacted me).
Nov 11 03:39:26 <rbredow> One thing someone said is that you should check the credit card info (if it's a paid app)
Nov 11 03:47:37 <Roy-Pre101-wirc> testing...
Nov 11 03:47:47 <sugardave> pass
Nov 11 03:47:53 <Roy-Pre101-wirc> yay.
Nov 11 03:49:45 <Roy-Pre101-wirc> wirc nice.  violates palm's menu guidelines.
Nov 11 03:49:51 <Roy-Pre101-wirc> :)
Nov 11 04:07:44 <Merlin_> hello..?
Nov 11 04:07:57 <dalmaer> Hi Merlin_, how are you?
Nov 11 04:07:58 <sugardave> hello
Nov 11 04:08:03 <sugardave> hello dalmaer
Nov 11 04:08:43 <Roy-Pre101> Hello Dion.
Nov 11 04:09:16 <Merlin_> webchating through pre browser a pain, anyone know how to get wIrc to work?  I was unclear what to put in eac field for server setup.
Nov 11 04:09:48 <Merlin_> should I try different channel?
Nov 11 04:10:07 <sugardave> Merlin_: try #webos-internals
Nov 11 04:10:19 <sugardave> I'm not using it myself, I'm loathe to change
Nov 11 04:11:02 <Merlin_> How do I switch over?  Thanks sugardave.
Nov 11 04:11:20 <sugardave> something like "/join #webos-internals"
Nov 11 04:12:02 <Merlin_> Thanks.  Will try.  GO PRE!
Nov 11 04:12:12 <sugardave> np
Nov 11 04:28:17 <reality9110> I need to find some place in Florida to go on a little vacation
Nov 11 04:31:24 <Roy-Pre101> Key West.
Nov 11 04:31:45 <Roy-Pre101> Orlando
Nov 11 04:31:58 <CTLAdvance> I like to start in ft myers area and work my way into the gulf
Nov 11 04:32:15 <Roy-Pre101> I was pondering some place on the west coast, too.
Nov 11 04:33:06 <sugardave> we're heading to Disney World the day after Thanksgiving
Nov 11 04:33:30 <Roy-Pre101> Heading down to Florida myself around XMas.  Going to the upper keys.
Nov 11 04:33:37 <sugardave> fun fun
Nov 11 04:43:02 <Templarian> Roy-Pre101: so close. I think I might be going to Bush Gardens on christmas.
Nov 11 04:43:52 <Roy-Pre101> Yep.  There's a busch gardens in VA, down in Williamsburg, too.
Nov 11 04:45:01 <Templarian> I actually prefer doing absolutely nothing probably do what I did last year go to the flee market buy a cheap helecopter and some super glue and see how much fun I have till it becomes unrepairable.
Nov 11 04:50:20 <bryanroth> which IDE do you prefer when developing for webOS?
Nov 11 04:50:40 <Templarian> bryanroth: Most here use Komodo Edit
Nov 11 04:51:08 <Templarian> bryanroth: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Komodo feel free to read why.
Nov 11 04:51:50 <bryanroth> Templarian: wow, thanks for the link - checking it out
Nov 11 04:51:59 <bryanroth> Templarian: this whole time I have been using Aptana
Nov 11 04:52:22 <Templarian> And we all feel sad for you. It's okay, Palm is working on correcting this soon.
Nov 11 04:52:37 <Templarian> (they are just very busy with Ares atm to update the site)
Nov 11 04:53:33 <bryanroth> Templarian: I'm embarrassed :-[
Nov 11 04:54:10 <Templarian> Don't worry most of the real developers find out pretty quickly and make the switch. It's calmed down at the start we were switching like 3 a day.
Nov 11 04:54:23 <Templarian> (just in irc)
Nov 11 04:54:32 <_droO> i still need to try ur komodo mod templarian ;[
Nov 11 04:54:39 <_droO> still using eclipse, im sorry D;
Nov 11 04:54:50 <bryanroth> Templarian: I just chose Aptana a long time ago and never thought about switching until now...
Nov 11 04:55:50 <Templarian> It's okay. I'm well past my 500 download goal (not counting updates of course). I stopped counting though, especially when Palm links to it.
Nov 11 04:56:32 <bryanroth> download goal?
Nov 11 04:57:49 <Templarian> For the add-on I figured if I got 500 downloads I would have helped the community. Now that I'm far past that it's just extra.
Nov 11 04:58:03 <bryanroth> Nice, good job.
Nov 11 04:58:06 <bryanroth> :D
Nov 11 05:02:16 <Templarian> Somehow 124 people have downloaded the beatifier toolbox thing I added up for someone... lol (but I figure thats from normal komodo users also).
Nov 11 05:03:26 <CTLAdvance> Ive been using notepad++ works very well for me across multiple languages
Nov 11 05:03:41 <CTLAdvance> However ill have to give komodo a look based on your link
Nov 11 05:10:10 <Roy-Pre101> I like komodo.  Wish Edit had built-in revision control.
Nov 11 05:10:21 <Roy-Pre101> No biggie.  I'm not scared of the command line.
Nov 11 05:10:30 <Roy-Pre101> I do need to start doing some build steps for releasing webOS apps.
Nov 11 05:16:53 <bryanroth> now to get code completion to work in Komodo...
Nov 11 13:47:47 <ElVox> does anyone else have a compulsion to hit ctrl-s (or whatever save is on your platform of choice) every 10 seconds while doing anything "important"?
Nov 11 14:00:58 <bmyers> Elvox: depends on the platform
Nov 11 14:04:11 <ElVox> like i said, it is more of a compulsion from the days when my computer and os were unstable...like i had 2 hours of work killed by a power outage because i didn't save often enough 15 years ago and now, even though I have a ups, i save every 10 seconds :)
Nov 11 14:04:44 <bmyers> i work on a laptop. built in UPS :)
Nov 11 14:05:42 <bmyers> but i remember the day of ‘constructor’ for palmos. on the windows platform it was so unstable i reffered to it as ‘desctructor’
Nov 11 14:08:01 <ElVox> its not easy making something that drives a developer to nightmares either...that kind of snafu takes high level planning
Nov 11 14:09:26 <bmyers> palmos was devel’d on mac w/codewarrior, very mac centric. windows was an afterthought..
Nov 11 14:10:07 <bmyers> whats makes me pull out my hair now is the poor SDK documentation.
Nov 11 14:10:20 <bmyers> on the webos platform..
Nov 11 14:10:47 <bmyers> i’ll pass the soap box now..
Nov 11 14:14:52 <ElVox> has there ever been a palm employee involved in the documentation effort on here? you would think they would want to know what the community is discovering
Nov 11 14:16:42 <sugardave> hahahaha
Nov 11 14:16:45 <sugardave> hahaha
Nov 11 14:17:13 <ElVox> like, at the very least, they might want to know that javascript is case sensitive
Nov 11 14:17:49 <Pat__> hi all
Nov 11 14:18:05 <ElVox> howdy
Nov 11 14:27:05 <bmyers> Elvox: javascript is case sensitive? really? NS!
Nov 11 14:27:28 <bmyers> brilliant...
Nov 11 14:28:13 <CTLAdvance> you didnt know that?
Nov 11 14:28:19 <CTLAdvance> its not like html :D
Nov 11 14:29:23 <bmyers> thats me being sarcastic.. gee, a case sensitive programming lang..
Nov 11 14:32:56 <ElVox> Palm Documentarian on the Phone: "It is is case-WHAT? ...But... That means we will have to rewrite every- Uh, huh. Ok. So just release it as is. Yes, sir I know the developer community is clever but- Ok. Alright."
Nov 11 14:35:47 <bmyers> dont get me started again...
Nov 11 14:37:04 <ElVox> Palm needs a web comic...can anyone doodle?
Nov 11 14:38:08 * ElVox goes back to designing the ugliest application in the world in photoshop
Nov 11 14:41:31 * Templarian lols a designer in a irc that's rare.
Nov 11 14:46:50 <evul_c> has anyone implemented a sound capture interface yet? I am a ham and I would like to port echolink to my pre!
Nov 11 14:53:17 <mikewx> i'll beta that~
Nov 11 14:54:06 <mikewx> calling up the local repeater from my pre would be pretty spiffy
Nov 11 14:54:59 <evul_c> yeah!
Nov 11 14:56:07 <mikewx> right now all i do with it is approve dstar registrations. i need to get back to getting ssh working so i can ssh out
Nov 11 14:57:12 <evul_c> ve9cgc here. nice to meet you on irc from my pre.
Nov 11 14:58:12 <mikewx> ae0mw, have irc installed but prefer a real keyboard when availiable :)
Nov 11 14:59:02 <evul_c> understood. I am just livin out a dream from 1995 for a couple days ;)
Nov 11 14:59:21 <mikewx> heh
Nov 11 15:00:03 <mikewx> somewhere there is an irc log from about that era of me using irc from the top of the st.louis arch using a motorola startac and a trgpro :)
Nov 11 15:00:52 <bmyers> u r old
Nov 11 15:01:29 <bmyers> the big memoried palm pilot from TRG? too funny..
Nov 11 15:01:31 <evul_c> hahahah
Nov 11 15:01:31 <mikewx> tease me about my age and i'll hit you with my cane, and btw, STAY OFF MY LAWN
Nov 11 15:01:46 <bmyers> i had both of those also..
Nov 11 15:01:50 <evul_c> lol
Nov 11 15:01:51 <mikewx> i worked on them :)
Nov 11 15:02:10 * mikewx misses the dot.com boom
Nov 11 15:02:16 <bmyers> never was dorky enough to connect the 2 together though...
Nov 11 15:02:17 <evul_c> I had a palm iiix
Nov 11 15:02:17 <mikewx> i had fun employment and lots of cash
Nov 11 15:02:33 <evul_c> aye. dotcom indeed.
Nov 11 15:02:43 <bmyers> that was the time wasnt it?
Nov 11 15:02:46 * evul_c was @ opencola then
Nov 11 15:02:46 <mikewx> indeed
Nov 11 15:02:49 <bmyers> i did the .com thing too
Nov 11 15:02:52 <mikewx> i moved to iowa to work for trg
Nov 11 15:02:56 * CTLAdvance slaps CTLAdvance around a bit with a large trout
Nov 11 15:03:12 <mikewx> i'm still in iowa, but no now lame it cube drone~
Nov 11 15:03:15 <bmyers> geeze the money was gratuitus
Nov 11 15:03:33 <bmyers> you worked at TRG?
Nov 11 15:03:36 <mikewx> yes
Nov 11 15:03:45 <bmyers> well that explains it
Nov 11 15:03:52 <bmyers> i bought alot of stuff from then
Nov 11 15:03:55 <bmyers> i bought alot of stuff from them
Nov 11 15:03:57 <mikewx> me too
Nov 11 15:04:03 * CTLAdvance slaps CTLAdvance around a bit with a large trout
Nov 11 15:04:07 <mikewx> then they figured it was easier to payroll deduct it :P
Nov 11 15:04:13 <bmyers> i worked at a school district then and we needed the memory
Nov 11 15:04:28 <bmyers> so we got a bunch of those
Nov 11 15:04:48 <bmyers> medical app i wrote carried all the studet data
Nov 11 15:05:04 <mikewx> my main job was working with developers to add support for filesystem stuff, and i worked with teh engineers designing the 330/330c
Nov 11 15:05:13 <bmyers> that flash program was awesome
Nov 11 15:05:30 <mikewx> flashpro, yep i managed their beta test programs too
Nov 11 15:05:38 <bmyers> killer stuff...
Nov 11 15:05:59 <bmyers> all my ‘reference’ palm iii’s have that card still
Nov 11 15:06:07 <mikewx> SPMB2XL :)
Nov 11 15:06:24 <mikewx> 4mb flash + 8ram
Nov 11 15:06:30 <mikewx> still have a few around
Nov 11 15:06:50 <bmyers> that was like a stupid amount of space at the time
Nov 11 15:06:57 <mikewx> he hyeah
Nov 11 15:07:05 <bmyers> now i feel old too...
Nov 11 15:07:21 <bmyers> 8 megs and we were like ‘Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee’
Nov 11 15:07:25 <mikewx> you can stay on my lawn.
Nov 11 15:07:39 <bmyers> thx, couldnt run too fast even if it mattered...
Nov 11 15:07:53 <bmyers> gotta catch my breath just from this..
Nov 11 15:08:17 <evul_c> heh
Nov 11 15:08:21 <bmyers> too funny. well u devel’n for webos now?
Nov 11 15:08:31 <mikewx> i thought i might
Nov 11 15:08:40 <bmyers> yeah check it out..
Nov 11 15:08:41 <mikewx> but i haven't done jack yet.
Nov 11 15:08:49 <mikewx> i suck at the things required for webos
Nov 11 15:08:50 <bmyers> get the SDK
Nov 11 15:08:54 <mikewx> oh i have it all
Nov 11 15:09:02 <mikewx> but i'm a C kinda guy
Nov 11 15:09:06 <bmyers> me 2
Nov 11 15:09:14 <bmyers> but thats a good thing
Nov 11 15:09:21 <mikewx> this html/java crap is nifty and all, but it requries pretty graphics and creativity :) things I am not good at
Nov 11 15:09:22 <bmyers> u know what you want to do programmically
Nov 11 15:09:28 <bmyers> u just need to learn the syntax
Nov 11 15:09:45 <mikewx> well when i left trg i did consulting and shareware for a few years
Nov 11 15:09:50 <mikewx> utilitie type apps
Nov 11 15:09:54 <bmyers> not really... lots of widgets give the look and feel of a webos app
Nov 11 15:10:01 <mikewx> again, don't lend themselves to webos
Nov 11 15:10:13 <bmyers> just get in there and start hack’n
Nov 11 15:10:22 <mikewx> yeah, that's why i'll likely end up doing
Nov 11 15:10:24 <bmyers> it’s really not that bad a path from C
Nov 11 15:10:32 <bmyers> a little haggered at first but
Nov 11 15:10:40 <mikewx> i have a couple apps i need that don't exist yet :)
Nov 11 15:10:41 <bmyers> dont let that discourage u
Nov 11 15:10:48 <mikewx> partially it's timet oo
Nov 11 15:10:58 <bmyers> well thats an investment yes..
Nov 11 15:11:01 <mikewx> i'm older now, as you pointed out, and demands on my free time are increased
Nov 11 15:11:12 <mikewx> i used to eat sleep and breathe palm
Nov 11 15:11:23 <bmyers> well. i got 2 kids home with me right now so time is short..
Nov 11 15:11:27 <mikewx> indeed
Nov 11 15:11:32 <bmyers> but it nots getting any longer either..
Nov 11 15:11:45 <bmyers> yeah just hack away..
Nov 11 15:11:59 <bmyers> start with ‘hello world’ and then write the next great app
Nov 11 15:12:08 * CTLAdvance slaps CTLAdvance around a bit with a large trout
Nov 11 15:12:13 <mikewx> heh i have that much done already! I'm 1/2 way there
Nov 11 15:12:14 <bmyers> ppl here are very helpful too
Nov 11 15:12:15 <mikewx> !
Nov 11 15:14:57 <mikewx> oh well, nice trip down memory lane.
Nov 11 15:15:15 <amjz> Hello!
Nov 11 15:15:48 <amjz> All here connected using there pre's?!
Nov 11 15:15:52 <bmyers> yeah nice meeting you too. i’m usually around here..
Nov 11 15:16:15 <mikewx> i've been haunting here since it opened, i'm one of those quiet wallflowers :)
Nov 11 15:16:23 <mikewx> amjz: not everyone, but i'm sure there are a few
Nov 11 15:16:56 <amjz> Mikewx how did you send me a coloured msg
Nov 11 15:17:16 <mikewx> amjz: i used crayon on my keyboard
Nov 11 15:17:34 <mikewx> amjz: i suspect the client highlights a message that starts with your nick of amjz
Nov 11 15:18:39 <amjz> Which client your using? I'm using wirc on palm pre ..
Nov 11 15:18:50 <mikewx> i'm using pidgin on a pc
Nov 11 15:19:10 <amjz> Aha
Nov 11 15:19:36 <amjz> What's the irc code to send anyone a coloured msg?
Nov 11 15:20:08 <mikewx> no clue, it's generally frowned upon anyway.
Nov 11 15:20:24 <dennisharrison> wIRC is very impressive
Nov 11 15:20:34 <mikewx> yes it is, very well polished client
Nov 11 15:21:00 <amjz> Ya I like the multitask using cards
Nov 11 15:21:22 <dennisharrison> I thought, oh no... more notification spam, but that has even been turned into toggles in the ui
Nov 11 15:22:28 <dennisharrison> this is daemonized right? if I "close" the freenode server status card will it disconnect Mehdi ?
Nov 11 15:22:52 <dennisharrison> where did the hdi come from? :)
Nov 11 15:23:46 <dennisharrison> yeah, it's a daemon, very cool
Nov 11 15:24:34 <dennisharrison> dennisharrison: : ping!
Nov 11 15:24:37 * evul_c likes wirc
Nov 11 15:25:00 <dennisharrison> hmm, can someone else put my name in chat?
Nov 11 15:25:16 <evul_c> surw dennisharrison
Nov 11 15:25:22 <evul_c> sure even!
Nov 11 15:25:30 <dennisharrison> too, freakin, cool
Nov 11 15:25:52 <evul_c> indeed. the notifications work well
Nov 11 15:25:58 <dennisharrison> evul_c: thanks!
Nov 11 15:28:01 <dennisharrison> http://www.xkcd.com
Nov 11 15:29:05 <dennisharrison> ok, now I'll never be productive again
Nov 11 15:29:13 <dennisharrison> thanks wirc :p
Nov 11 15:29:20 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 15:29:31 <mikewx> heh
Nov 11 15:29:59 <odm4286> hey guys
Nov 11 15:31:30 <dennisharrison> effing... im , email, irc, browser, music, videos...
Nov 11 15:31:40 <atlanta> cant wait for 1.3.1
Nov 11 15:31:48 <atlanta> so i can get my native text forwarding on
Nov 11 15:31:51 <bmyers> actually. www.kcdx.com is one of my favs
Nov 11 15:32:26 <odm4286> lol hell of a phone huh?
Nov 11 15:32:34 <atlanta> what the pre
Nov 11 15:32:35 <atlanta> ?
Nov 11 15:32:50 <atlanta> i would have to say it is
Nov 11 15:33:09 <dennisharrison> this phone sucks, it doesn't have a rainbow unicorn bursting out of it to spray me with money every 15 minutes
Nov 11 15:33:31 <atlanta> theres a patch of that
Nov 11 15:33:31 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 15:33:34 <datafirm> haha
Nov 11 15:33:38 <atlanta> for**
Nov 11 15:33:45 <dennisharrison> lol
Nov 11 15:34:08 <atlanta> that should be the moto for the phone right now
Nov 11 15:34:11 * evul_c wants the money spraying unicorn patch!
Nov 11 15:34:33 <jdoelger> woah the pixi is smaller than I imagined
Nov 11 15:34:46 <atlanta> when is that sucker coming out
Nov 11 15:34:47 <atlanta> ?
Nov 11 15:34:49 <dennisharrison> seriously, what else is it missing? besides the ability to associate events with contacts, and it's own nuclear powerplant?
Nov 11 15:34:56 <dennisharrison> 15th
Nov 11 15:35:00 <jdoelger> wish I could turn this one on
Nov 11 15:35:09 <datafirm> virtual keyboard is missing.
Nov 11 15:35:12 <datafirm> :(
Nov 11 15:35:13 <evul_c> sound capture is missing :/
Nov 11 15:35:21 <dennisharrison> patch
Nov 11 15:35:23 <atlanta> (microphone api)
Nov 11 15:35:32 <dennisharrison> ahh, yeah, and video recording
Nov 11 15:35:35 <evul_c> atlanta: eh?
Nov 11 15:35:37 <dennisharrison> and vis voicemail
Nov 11 15:35:39 <atlanta> eh?
Nov 11 15:35:44 <datafirm> and autofocus camera
Nov 11 15:35:50 <atlanta> wasnt there a company supposely making that crap
Nov 11 15:36:03 <atlanta> also google voice mp3's dont work on the streaming app
Nov 11 15:36:07 <dennisharrison> can't do that with the current hardware though huh? (autofocus)
Nov 11 15:36:07 <datafirm> dragon porcessor.. :-D
Nov 11 15:36:20 <datafirm> dennisharrison: nope
Nov 11 15:36:20 <evul_c> atlanta: microphone api? where?
Nov 11 15:36:21 <atlanta> if it was to work i could make a vis voicemail for the users who forward there vmail
Nov 11 15:36:31 <atlanta> dennisharrison: no
Nov 11 15:36:35 <odm4286> hey can you guys help me out with something?
Nov 11 15:36:40 <atlanta> evul_c: he said things that is missing
Nov 11 15:36:43 <atlanta> odm4286: go for it
Nov 11 15:37:02 <dennisharrison> hopefully the amd guy they hired will get us something to talk to the hardware
Nov 11 15:37:09 <dennisharrison> some type of hal api
Nov 11 15:37:20 <atlanta> dennisharrison: hopefully use of that damn graphics chip
Nov 11 15:38:28 <dennisharrison> atlanta: do you think it will be used inside of luna for card rendering and wigets, etc?
Nov 11 15:38:35 <atlanta> odm4286: i guess you dont need help anymore
Nov 11 15:38:42 <atlanta> dennisharrison: yea
Nov 11 15:38:51 <dennisharrison> I'm on the fence about that
Nov 11 15:38:54 <atlanta> dennisharrison: well that would be ideal let me not put it pass palm
Nov 11 15:39:14 <dennisharrison> it would be a lot of additional work
Nov 11 15:39:14 <atlanta> because the use of the css-tranforms etc should route through it making stuff smoother
Nov 11 15:39:29 <atlanta> which can be done through the browser plugin
Nov 11 15:39:47 <dennisharrison> yeah, more like the phone (we dare not speak its name)
Nov 11 15:39:51 <atlanta> but i swear i flip a list or menu up and it delays imma go crazy
Nov 11 15:40:13 <jdoelger> how do you get tab completion on usernames in wIRC?
Nov 11 15:40:16 <dennisharrison> haha, I know right?
Nov 11 15:40:18 <datafirm> 1.3.1 you mena
Nov 11 15:40:20 <datafirm> mean
Nov 11 15:40:30 <datafirm> i dont think they're using the transofrms yet.
Nov 11 15:40:39 <dennisharrison> datafirm: no
Nov 11 15:40:50 <dennisharrison> just, eventually, in webos itself
Nov 11 15:40:58 <datafirm> yeah.. cant wait
Nov 11 15:40:58 <mikewx> dennisharrison: a functional memopad replacement would be spiffy, and a user-defined flat file database
Nov 11 15:41:12 <datafirm> the phone gets faster with each release.. but its still a bit laggy.
Nov 11 15:41:28 <dennisharrison> jdoelger: use :
Nov 11 15:41:34 <atlanta> jdoelger: gesture area and press orange botton
Nov 11 15:41:44 <dennisharrison> a bit?
Nov 11 15:41:58 <odm4286> sorry bout that how do I pm you so we can talk
Nov 11 15:42:09 <atlanta> what are you using
Nov 11 15:42:09 <atlanta> ?
Nov 11 15:42:14 <atlanta> webchat.freenode?
Nov 11 15:42:23 <atlanta> or wirc
Nov 11 15:42:30 <jdoelger> atlanta: thanks, that works
Nov 11 15:42:31 <dennisharrison> odm4286: /msg username
Nov 11 15:42:40 <atlanta> there u go
Nov 11 15:42:42 <atlanta> im a irc noob
Nov 11 15:42:43 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 15:43:26 <jdoelger> atlanta: just playing with wIRC, it's fun
Nov 11 15:43:34 <atlanta> yup yup
Nov 11 15:44:05 <dennisharrison> mikewx: a flatfile db for what parts?
Nov 11 15:44:56 <jdoelger> one more thing to kill my battery with :)
Nov 11 15:45:30 <dennisharrison> jdoelger: I know, lol... at this point I leap from power outlet to power outlet
Nov 11 15:45:50 <dennisharrison> always looking for the next spot to plug in
Nov 11 15:46:14 <jdoelger> dennisharrison: ha, I have the use of a touchstone here at work... days like this I just borrow the back
Nov 11 15:46:43 <dennisharrison> haha, yeah I have one at the office, and one in the car
Nov 11 15:46:53 <dennisharrison> and one on the nightstand at home
Nov 11 15:47:11 <dennisharrison> but going out to the city for a day...
Nov 11 15:47:23 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 15:47:27 <atlanta>  yea charger on person
Nov 11 15:47:29 <atlanta> is a must
Nov 11 15:47:31 <dennisharrison> lucky if I make it back to the car with 18%
Nov 11 15:47:47 <dennisharrison> ok, now
Nov 11 15:47:58 <dennisharrison> when do we get bt keyboard profile in the stack?
Nov 11 15:48:19 <dennisharrison> last I've read up on, no one knows if it will happen
Nov 11 15:48:54 <PuffTheMagic> so if i want push a scene and pass a param to that scene, what does that syntax looks like {scene: 'scene-name', options} ??? like that?
Nov 11 15:49:04 <dennisharrison> anyone see anything additional?
Nov 11 15:49:49 <Mehdi> Why do you folks think that Palm Store has so few apps at the moment?
Nov 11 15:50:01 <Mehdi> is  there an underlining reason, or do developers just not care about s
Nov 11 15:50:01 <Mehdi> us
Nov 11 15:50:07 <atlanta> PuffTheMagic: yup yup
Nov 11 15:50:10 <dennisharrison> Mehdi: because it does
Nov 11 15:50:19 <bmyers> this.controller.stageController.pushScene('details', this.db, this.examplesModel, listTapEvent.index);
Nov 11 15:50:30 <PuffTheMagic> oh so that is a little different that what i typed
Nov 11 15:50:31 <PuffTheMagic> thanks
Nov 11 15:50:33 <atlanta> Mehdi: where do you come up with these questisn
Nov 11 15:50:34 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 15:50:48 <PuffTheMagic> creating a state uses {} ;)
Nov 11 15:50:56 <Mehdi> atlanta: whats wrong with the question
Nov 11 15:50:58 <bmyers> o stage
Nov 11 15:51:08 <dennisharrison> Mehdi: it's a big waiting game right now boss, pick this question up again in a month
Nov 11 15:51:14 <Mehdi> I'm just curious why the Palm store has 80 apps, while there are like 100k on Apple and Andriod ones
Nov 11 15:51:16 <atlanta> Mehdi: nothing lol
Nov 11 15:51:44 <dennisharrison> palm store has almost 400 apps right? 350 or something?
Nov 11 15:51:46 <atlanta> Mehdi: time is of the essence
Nov 11 15:51:51 <atlanta> dennisharrison: correct
Nov 11 15:51:52 <jdoelger> Mehdi: maybe release time? it's been what, 4 months?
Nov 11 15:51:53 <Mehdi> I guess
Nov 11 15:51:56 <atlanta> i dunno where he got 80 from
Nov 11 15:51:59 <jdoelger> 5?
Nov 11 15:52:04 <dennisharrison> lol
Nov 11 15:52:29 <mikewx> dennisharrison: if you're familiar with old PalmOS, something like JFile, the user could define his own structure and then use 1 app for all db-type stuff
Nov 11 15:52:53 <odm4286> anyone use slackware 13 on their pic?
Nov 11 15:52:53 <bmyers> mikewx: i was thinking of an app like that
Nov 11 15:52:55 <mikewx> I used it for everything, a list of all my movies, sw registration codes, accoutn numbers, etc
Nov 11 15:52:58 <odm4286> pc*
Nov 11 15:53:16 <mikewx> it was the first app i bought for palmos
Nov 11 15:53:17 <dennisharrison> mikewx: I am somewhat famil, just wondering what the end result is, I'm not so sure it should speak file is all I'm saying :)
Nov 11 15:53:46 <dennisharrison> mikewx: that would be rather simple to make, would people pay for that?
Nov 11 15:53:51 * mikewx should contact jj
Nov 11 15:53:54 <jdoelger> pixi has a wicked magnetic charger door... better that the friggin fiddly pre door
Nov 11 15:53:54 <mikewx> beats me
Nov 11 15:53:56 <mikewx> they used to
Nov 11 15:54:51 <dennisharrison> I've been waiting to see what happens in the market on which apps I should try and sell
Nov 11 15:55:40 <dennisharrison> right now I have a time tracker/invoice generation tool that I'm trying to make as seamless as possible
Nov 11 15:55:44 <mikewx> i coded about 15 palmos apps over the years, people really only ever paid for 2 of them :) it seems to be hit/miss
Nov 11 15:55:50 <dennisharrison> but it's very data connection heavy
Nov 11 15:56:16 <dennisharrison> I've actually never sold an app :)
Nov 11 15:56:31 <dennisharrison> everything I've done has been saas
Nov 11 15:56:35 <atlanta> im gonna try this mobile ad crap and release one for free
Nov 11 15:56:57 <dennisharrison> that can't generate much huh atlanta ?
Nov 11 15:57:09 <atlanta> probably not
Nov 11 15:57:34 <atlanta> but i was gonna release this app free so why not try it out
Nov 11 15:57:44 <dennisharrison> there ya go
Nov 11 15:58:24 <dennisharrison> ok, going to be late for a meeting if I don't pull myself away :)
Nov 11 15:58:33 <dennisharrison> thanks for the info everyone
Nov 11 15:58:42 <atlanta> yup yup ttyl dennisharrison
Nov 11 15:59:50 <bmyers> atlanta: which one?
Nov 11 15:59:51 <odm4286> can someone help me out with a slackware 13 + palm pre problem
Nov 11 16:01:44 <jdoelger> odm4286: what's the problem?
Nov 11 16:04:31 <atlanta> jdoelger: his drivers
Nov 11 16:04:35 <atlanta> bmyers: which one what
Nov 11 16:06:33 <atlanta> which ad system
Nov 11 16:06:35 <atlanta> adfonic
Nov 11 16:20:16 <PuffTheMagic> where are app specific cookies stored?
Nov 11 16:21:01 <CTLAdvance> Anyone know of a good javascript obfuscator?
Nov 11 16:21:47 <bmyers> atlanta: which ad sceme r u going to try? Admob?
Nov 11 16:22:12 <atlanta> yea
Nov 11 16:22:26 <gkatsev> CTLAdvance: server-side js... if you can obfuscate it, you can unobfuscate it...
Nov 11 16:22:31 <bmyers> i am going to try that one also.
Nov 11 16:22:32 <atlanta> CTLAdvance: none
Nov 11 16:22:40 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Nov 11 16:22:42 <bmyers> Doc wasnt too happy with it tho?
Nov 11 16:22:43 <CTLAdvance> good point
Nov 11 16:22:59 <atlanta> because all of them can unobfuscated
Nov 11 16:23:06 <bmyers> yup yup
Nov 11 16:23:06 <atlanta> and even server side
Nov 11 16:23:14 <atlanta> but lets not get on that subject
Nov 11 16:23:15 <atlanta> again
Nov 11 16:23:26 <gkatsev> well, server-side the user doesnt really get any js...
Nov 11 16:23:29 <gkatsev> but, ok, lets not
Nov 11 16:23:31 <CTLAdvance> yeah... disregard my question
Nov 11 16:23:35 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 11 16:23:37 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 16:23:39 <atlanta> :-)
Nov 11 16:23:44 <bmyers> we can all see ur dirty coding secrets when u release it
Nov 11 16:23:48 <CTLAdvance> Atlanta - I have been testing admob
Nov 11 16:24:00 <atlanta> CTLAdvance: using the request method on webos101
Nov 11 16:24:00 <atlanta> 0?
Nov 11 16:24:02 <CTLAdvance> same with sugardave - he is using admob as well
Nov 11 16:24:09 <bmyers> right him..
Nov 11 16:24:12 <atlanta> hows it working for you
Nov 11 16:24:36 <atlanta> PuffTheMagic: not to sure exactly where the file is
Nov 11 16:24:57 <CTLAdvance> I havent launched any apps with it yet but from testing I have made $5 :-D
Nov 11 16:25:01 <atlanta> but i do recall some hidden folders on /media/internals but i think those were database files
Nov 11 16:25:08 <atlanta> CTLAdvance: cool
Nov 11 16:25:23 <atlanta> the responseText comes back as html text right
Nov 11 16:25:24 <atlanta> ?
Nov 11 16:25:32 <CTLAdvance> We found a possible bug with the request method
Nov 11 16:25:38 <CTLAdvance> yeah
Nov 11 16:26:16 <atlanta> which is
Nov 11 16:26:16 <atlanta> ?
Nov 11 16:26:19 <CTLAdvance> Yeah basically I have it setup to use an android app (as they dont offer for pre) and then I use the Ajax.request to pull the ad text
Nov 11 16:26:31 <atlanta> ok gotcha
Nov 11 16:27:06 <CTLAdvance> Well basically the request method requests multiple times at once, instead of just one time, and it seems to increase by 1 every time
Nov 11 16:27:35 <atlanta> uhmmm
Nov 11 16:28:08 <atlanta> ill take another look at the php code for mobile websites
Nov 11 16:28:12 <atlanta> and try to replicate it
Nov 11 16:28:28 <CTLAdvance> after looking into it, the device made one request, then 2 at the same time, then 3, then 4.... in a few minutes it had made over 400 requests
Nov 11 16:28:43 <CTLAdvance> we fixed it though
Nov 11 16:28:49 <atlanta> oh ok
Nov 11 16:28:54 <atlanta> pming you now
Nov 11 16:29:02 <CTLAdvance> you have to unregister the request on complete
Nov 11 16:29:34 <atlanta> i thought the request only sent by default anyways no
Nov 11 16:29:34 <atlanta> ?
Nov 11 16:30:20 <CTLAdvance> well we though it would work like any AJAX request and if you call it once we would get one request.
Nov 11 16:30:28 <atlanta> guess not
Nov 11 16:30:29 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 16:30:32 <CTLAdvance> instead it was incrementing the actual number of requests sent
Nov 11 16:30:39 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 16:31:06 <CTLAdvance> and that was hurting our actual fill rate
Nov 11 16:31:21 <CTLAdvance> admob was blocking the requests
Nov 11 16:31:31 <atlanta> oh ok
Nov 11 16:31:35 <atlanta> to many from the same ip
Nov 11 16:31:38 <atlanta> sounds about righ
Nov 11 16:32:52 <CTLAdvance> and we converted the php using ajax, I could probably open up the ad code as its not anything super special
Nov 11 16:33:07 <atlanta> ok can u pastebin it for me
Nov 11 16:33:08 <atlanta> ?
Nov 11 16:33:52 <atlanta> brb
Nov 11 16:34:08 <CTLAdvance> do you think it would be better to put it up in the developer forums?
Nov 11 16:34:13 <CTLAdvance> precentral
Nov 11 16:35:09 <bmyers> i think there is a wiki on pre101 isnt there?
Nov 11 16:36:12 <Roy-Pre101> http://webos101.com
Nov 11 16:38:19 <atlanta> ahh its half assed
Nov 11 16:38:20 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 16:38:38 <atlanta> ill guess ill reinvite the wheel and expand the wiki
Nov 11 16:38:47 * atlanta was hoping CTLAdvance would pastebin
Nov 11 16:39:19 * atlanta would then explain the code in the wiki
Nov 11 16:39:21 <atlanta> :-)
Nov 11 16:39:21 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 16:39:25 <CTLAdvance> ah ok
Nov 11 16:39:33 * CTLAdvance slaps CTLAdvance around a bit with a large trout
Nov 11 16:39:40 <CTLAdvance> one second
Nov 11 16:39:42 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 16:39:42 <atlanta> ok
Nov 11 16:39:43 <atlanta> thanks
Nov 11 16:39:44 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 11 16:39:51 <gkatsev> i have that as a command /slap
Nov 11 16:40:10 <atlanta> lol
Nov 11 16:41:27 <sugardave> my stupid work is somehow blocking my emulator's browser but not all Ajax.Requests...weird
Nov 11 16:41:59 <odm4286> anyone here get their pre workin with slackware 13n
Nov 11 16:42:06 <odm4286> I can't :(
Nov 11 16:42:30 * sugardave wonders what CTLAdvance and atlanta are working on.
Nov 11 16:42:43 <sugardave> not twipper?!
Nov 11 16:42:46 <atlanta> sugardave: does your work have a proxy
Nov 11 16:42:50 <atlanta> sugardave: no lol admob
Nov 11 16:42:57 <atlanta> posting up full code and explaining it
Nov 11 16:43:13 <atlanta> sugardave: do you guys wanna make twipper
Nov 11 16:43:14 <bmyers> r u done with twipper yet?
Nov 11 16:43:16 <sugardave> no proxy, just "special" controls
Nov 11 16:43:23 <gkatsev> heh, twipper
Nov 11 16:43:39 <bmyers> i still think its a great idea...
Nov 11 16:43:53 <sugardave> I will be responsible for the ad management code, someone else needs to write the rest of it :D
Nov 11 16:44:03 <gkatsev> ill get started over the weekend.
Nov 11 16:44:11 <atlanta> sugardave: ok if you post it up
Nov 11 16:44:15 <atlanta> ill explain it
Nov 11 16:44:16 <gkatsev> probably post it on github.
Nov 11 16:44:26 <bmyers> i’m in
Nov 11 16:44:32 <atlanta> gkatsev: on github can you edit straight from their web interface
Nov 11 16:44:33 <atlanta> ?
Nov 11 16:44:40 <gkatsev> atlanta: no clue...
Nov 11 16:44:46 <sugardave> atlanta: I have some admob/quattro wireless stuff on the wiki already
Nov 11 16:44:56 * sugardave doesn't know how to use git.
Nov 11 16:44:57 <sugardave> :O
Nov 11 16:45:03 <atlanta> sugardave: yea i seen the  admob just wanted a more complete solution
Nov 11 16:45:12 <gkatsev> brb
Nov 11 16:45:16 <atlanta> andi gotta look at the quattro wireless
Nov 11 16:45:27 <sugardave> same concept, different pacakage
Nov 11 16:45:29 <sugardave> package*
Nov 11 16:45:55 <atlanta> yea i know but i mean like i want to put up exactly getting the ip addy and makeing the request etc
Nov 11 16:46:02 <atlanta> rather than just the request options
Nov 11 16:46:13 <sugardave> oh, yeah...the ip address thing is tricky, especially in the emulator
Nov 11 16:46:19 <sugardave> hence theproblems I'm having with Yule Log today
Nov 11 16:46:33 <sugardave> I have to use a 3rd-party to get the NATted IP...and can't get there for some reason
Nov 11 16:46:52 <atlanta> sugardave: wierd the connection manager dont give u the public
Nov 11 16:46:52 <atlanta> ?
Nov 11 16:46:57 <sugardave> *yes, I AM making an app that just displays the animated yule log fireplace*
Nov 11 16:47:30 <sugardave> atlanta: can't get wan.ipAddress in the emulator
Nov 11 16:47:43 <sugardave> I couldn't, anyway
Nov 11 16:47:46 <atlanta> h ok
Nov 11 16:47:47 <sugardave> because there's no carrier, I think
Nov 11 16:47:57 <atlanta> oh ok
Nov 11 16:48:01 <atlanta> ill test on the device later
Nov 11 16:48:03 <atlanta> lunch time going to grab some chinese
Nov 11 16:48:17 <sugardave> yum
Nov 11 16:49:14 <CTLAdvance> http://webos.pastebin.com/m49c54740
Nov 11 16:49:34 <sugardave> hahaha, I have a feeling these guys are going to be a little disappointed with v0.0.1
Nov 11 16:49:38 <sugardave> http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/213880-yule-log.html
Nov 11 16:49:45 <CTLAdvance> atlanta when you are ready I have paste bined it
Nov 11 16:49:46 <CTLAdvance> http://webos.pastebin.com/m49c54740
Nov 11 16:50:09 <Rick-work> sugardave -  we submitted snowglobe yesterday.
Nov 11 16:50:27 <CTLAdvance> Oh the yule log competition is on
Nov 11 16:50:31 <CTLAdvance> oh its on
Nov 11 16:50:31 <sugardave> I haven't looked at it yet, been breaking things instead
Nov 11 16:50:37 <CTLAdvance> we submitted ours yesterday
Nov 11 16:50:41 <sugardave> IT'S ON LIKE DONKEY KONG
Nov 11 16:51:31 <CTLAdvance> ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG BABY!
Nov 11 16:51:40 <CTLAdvance> ok we didnt submit one yet
Nov 11 16:51:44 * CTLAdvance slaps CTLAdvance around a bit with a large trout
Nov 11 16:51:47 <sugardave> haha
Nov 11 16:52:08 <sugardave> I submitted mine last night, I bet my wife I'd have 500 downloads in the first 24 hours of it going live
Nov 11 16:52:58 <jrsss> what app sugardave
Nov 11 16:53:04 <sugardave> Yule Log
Nov 11 16:53:06 <sugardave> :D
Nov 11 16:53:19 <sugardave> submitted to homebrew, I should say
Nov 11 16:54:34 <jrsss> is it on t
Nov 11 16:54:42 <jrsss> preware now?
Nov 11 16:54:59 <sugardave> no, not yet...waiting for Precentral to approve/moderate it
Nov 11 16:55:30 <CTLAdvance> oh :D I thought you meant teh actual catalog
Nov 11 16:55:36 <sugardave> no, not this one
Nov 11 16:55:42 <sugardave> I'm "experimenting"
Nov 11 16:56:05 <sugardave> my next app catalog submission will probably be another game, just haven't written it yet
Nov 11 16:56:31 <CTLAdvance> nice
Nov 11 16:56:46 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: why are you guys using 'postdata'?  It seems much mor elegant to use a 'parameters' object
Nov 11 16:57:01 <jrsss> any bodh using wirc?
Nov 11 16:57:07 <Rick-work> yes
Nov 11 16:57:15 <Rick-work> join #wirc to discuss it
Nov 11 16:57:18 <CTLAdvance> do you have a better way - this is just how we wrote it
Nov 11 16:57:21 <renolc> yar
Nov 11 16:57:41 <jrsss> I was just wondering
Nov 11 16:57:51 <jrsss> I think its awsome
Nov 11 16:58:22 <sugardave> not necessarily "better" but perhaps easier to maintain...look at my example on webos101.com/AdMob
Nov 11 16:58:43 <gkatsev> finally a yule log for the pre? lol
Nov 11 16:58:49 <sugardave> if you make that object block, then in Ajax.Request.parameters = that object, you're good to go
Nov 11 16:59:38 <sugardave> gkatsev: I know, our long nightmare is close to being over
Nov 11 16:59:42 <sugardave> just have to wait for Deiter
Nov 11 17:00:01 <CTLAdvance> I would pay .99 for a good yule
Nov 11 17:00:13 <CTLAdvance> can you pastebin your admob object block
Nov 11 17:00:17 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: this is not that one :P  not yet, anyway, I do have some plans for it
Nov 11 17:00:25 <evul_c> egad. I don't wanna set my pre on fire.
Nov 11 17:00:28 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: sure, just a sec
Nov 11 17:00:32 <CTLAdvance> try using the html5 vid tag
Nov 11 17:00:39 <CTLAdvance> and embeda yule log
Nov 11 17:00:46 <evul_c> but ill download to give you the bump
Nov 11 17:01:12 <sugardave> http://webos.pastebin.com/d57ec3685
Nov 11 17:01:13 <Roy-Pre101> How's everyone today?
Nov 11 17:01:24 <sugardave> evul_c: thanks, but it's not up yet :D
Nov 11 17:01:29 <bmyers> we’re cooking up apps left and right
Nov 11 17:01:40 <evul_c> when it is I mean
Nov 11 17:01:46 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: that's one of the plans, but for now it's just an animated gif FROM THE CLOUD
Nov 11 17:02:09 <bmyers> is it called pre-heat?
Nov 11 17:02:16 <evul_c> ooooooh
Nov 11 17:02:28 <sugardave> nah, it's got the totally awesome original name of "Yule Log"
Nov 11 17:02:40 <bmyers> YAYLP?
Nov 11 17:02:54 <sugardave> I didn't see one :(
Nov 11 17:03:01 <bmyers> or YAYLA
Nov 11 17:03:08 <bmyers> there ya go
Nov 11 17:03:12 <bmyers> yet another yule log app
Nov 11 17:03:21 <sugardave> that's what CTLAdvance could name his ;)
Nov 11 17:03:28 <sugardave> since mine will be first
Nov 11 17:04:10 <CTLAdvance> Now watch me YULE!
Nov 11 17:04:19 <sugardave> hahaha
Nov 11 17:04:31 <bmyers> yule the world bro..
Nov 11 17:04:35 <bmyers> go 4 it
Nov 11 17:04:43 <evul_c> now someone needs to make an app called preheat
Nov 11 17:04:43 <CTLAdvance> I am going to call mine flies on a log ;)
Nov 11 17:05:16 <Roy-Pre101> ...
Nov 11 17:38:58 <odm4286> hey guys anyone run slackware
Nov 11 17:40:56 <sugardave> hi chuq
Nov 11 17:43:50 <datafirm> anyone know how to activate the spinning state of the refresh menu icon?
Nov 11 17:44:11 <sugardave> set its model property to 'true'?
Nov 11 17:44:29 <sugardave> haven't tried it in menu items yet
Nov 11 17:45:56 <datafirm> sugardave: like the one used in Web
Nov 11 17:45:59 <datafirm> in the lower right.
Nov 11 17:47:06 <sugardave> ah, I've only dealt with spinner objects, but I imagine the concept is the same
Nov 11 17:47:14 <sugardave> you just need to figure out what model its using
Nov 11 17:47:20 <sugardave> update the correct property
Nov 11 17:47:30 <sugardave> then call modelChanged()
Nov 11 17:47:54 <datafirm> sugardave: ok
Nov 11 17:48:05 <PuffTheMagic> ok i have another noobie mojo question, i have 1 scene on the stage, and i need to pop it and push a new one.... what is the best way to do that
Nov 11 17:48:24 <datafirm> sugardave: it just seems different since it a menu and they dont have states..
Nov 11 17:48:30 <datafirm> well, I guess the toggle ones do
Nov 11 17:50:20 <sugardave> PuffTheMagic: just push the new scene if you want "back" to go back to the first one
Nov 11 17:50:25 <sugardave> if you want it to be replace
Nov 11 17:50:31 <sugardave> swapScene() instead
Nov 11 17:51:02 <PuffTheMagic> replace
Nov 11 17:51:07 <PuffTheMagic> ahh swap :D
Nov 11 17:51:09 <sugardave> okay, so swapScene()
Nov 11 17:51:13 <sugardave> yeah
Nov 11 17:51:22 <PuffTheMagic> thanks again
Nov 11 17:51:26 <sugardave> np
Nov 11 17:54:39 <atlanta> back
Nov 11 18:02:31 <sugardave> whoa
Nov 11 18:02:38 <sugardave> I guess I got bumped while I was smoking
Nov 11 18:04:29 <pandora--> you're on fire?
Nov 11 18:04:59 <Roy-Pre101> :D
Nov 11 18:05:48 <pandora--> they should add "Disconnect from IRC" to the fire drill "Stop, drop and roll"
Nov 11 18:08:10 <sugardave> haha
Nov 11 18:08:19 <evul_c> yikes!
Nov 11 18:13:21 <iNime> !list
Nov 11 18:14:23 <iNime> hi
Nov 11 18:14:35 <lyht> hi
Nov 11 18:15:18 <iNime> I amchecking out wIRC
Nov 11 18:15:23 <iNime> works really well
Nov 11 18:15:48 <iNime> is anyone here an official palm developer?
Nov 11 18:16:47 <chuqui> morning, dave!
Nov 11 18:17:00 <iNime> just wondering as I gave some questions
Nov 11 18:17:16 <iNime> I mean have some questions
Nov 11 18:17:34 <Giotto> hey
Nov 11 18:17:37 <Giotto> hey
Nov 11 18:17:49 <gkatsev> iNime: um... chuqui is from palm. not sure if anyone is a palm developer, though
Nov 11 18:17:55 <Giotto> oops
Nov 11 18:19:13 <pandora--> i'm an official palm developer
Nov 11 18:19:24 <pandora--> it's officially my job at work to develop for the palm
Nov 11 18:19:32 <pandora--> that should count for your criteria
Nov 11 18:19:38 <CTLAdvance> i 2 am an official palm developer
Nov 11 18:19:54 <pandora--> but i work for a small startup based in ohio
Nov 11 18:19:55 <CTLAdvance> * waits for more devs to continue
Nov 11 18:19:59 <pandora--> :)
Nov 11 18:20:51 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 11 18:21:00 <Giotto> haha
Nov 11 18:21:05 <chuqui> I'm not a Palm developer. I'm a cat herder.
Nov 11 18:21:11 <gkatsev> pandora--: i believe "palm developer" is a developer who works at palm
Nov 11 18:21:26 <gkatsev> also, could be a developer who develops palms for robots?
Nov 11 18:21:51 <gkatsev> chuqui: i thought you did birds
Nov 11 18:21:59 <CTLAdvance> or anyone who is developing for palm
Nov 11 18:22:52 <pandora--> potato potahhto
Nov 11 18:23:10 <gkatsev> potato potato
Nov 11 18:23:14 <chuqui> I do. you can't herd birds, though.
Nov 11 18:23:27 <pandora--> maybe emu birds
Nov 11 18:23:31 <pandora--> maybe
Nov 11 18:23:38 <gkatsev> emo birds?
Nov 11 18:23:39 <CTLAdvance> chuq is also a master at censoring bad reviews
Nov 11 18:23:40 <pandora--> lol
Nov 11 18:23:43 <pandora--> emuuu
Nov 11 18:23:44 <Rick-work> chuqi -- have something for you to herd.   I got an email this morning for the PREVIOUS revision of my app, instead of the pixi update version I pushed yesterday.
Nov 11 18:23:46 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 11 18:23:49 <Rick-work> I emailed Judy.
Nov 11 18:23:56 <Rick-work> but it was sort of "odd"
Nov 11 18:24:22 * pandora-- is still anxiously in the "review" stage 
Nov 11 18:24:33 <chuqui> Judy will handle. Because what I'd do is nudge judy....
Nov 11 18:24:41 <Giotto> speaking of the pixi, any ways to launch the emulator with the pixi resolution?
Nov 11 18:24:52 <Rick-work> :-)   I was so happy to meet her.
Nov 11 18:25:04 <Rick-work> Giotto  the instructions are on developer.palm.com
Nov 11 18:25:10 <Rick-work> search for pixi emulator
Nov 11 18:25:17 <Giotto> thanks
Nov 11 18:30:44 <lyht> iNime,  So what questions do you have? There are many helpful here... really.
Nov 11 18:31:00 <lyht> helpful people, I mean.
Nov 11 18:31:34 <Giotto> even the bots are helpful :)
Nov 11 18:31:54 <lyht> Well... I have had mixed results with the bots.
Nov 11 18:32:17 <lyht> I mean they couldn't event tell what "bind" was all about.
Nov 11 18:32:59 <pandora--> ya that's some voodoo. i never really understood that beyond the fact that if I didn't 'bind' it didn't work.
Nov 11 18:33:47 <pg13_> Has anyone had any success installing Android or bada on the Palm?
Nov 11 18:33:47 <lyht> Hey, what fun is a language without a little voodoo.
Nov 11 18:34:23 <gkatsev> it has to do with the fact that this !== that in javascript...
Nov 11 18:34:45 <Rick-work> it does if you say  this - this;
Nov 11 18:34:51 <Rick-work> that = this;
Nov 11 18:34:55 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 11 18:35:10 <gkatsev> you know what i mean!
Nov 11 18:35:55 <PuffTheMagic> sugardave: i am failing at this swapScene thing
Nov 11 18:38:35 <Pat__> hi everyone.
Nov 11 18:38:40 <lyht> hi
Nov 11 18:38:51 <sugardave> hell
Nov 11 18:38:52 <sugardave> o
Nov 11 18:39:18 <Rick-work> PuffTheMagic  what happens when you try to swap?
Nov 11 18:39:25 <PuffTheMagic> nothing happens
Nov 11 18:39:40 <Rick-work> PuffTheMagic  can you try-catch the swap?
Nov 11 18:39:51 <Rick-work> and Mojo.Log.error the catch?
Nov 11 18:39:56 <lyht> what does palm-log say?
Nov 11 18:39:57 <PuffTheMagic> yeah probably
Nov 11 18:40:05 <PuffTheMagic> will try that after i change something else
Nov 11 18:42:13 <Pat__> any commandMenu aficionado's around?
Nov 11 18:42:36 <Pat__> need help.
Nov 11 18:42:50 * sugardave points Pat__ to Roy-Pre101.
Nov 11 18:44:47 <bmyers> Pat__> what did u break?
Nov 11 18:45:43 <PuffTheMagic> Rick-work: what call should I be using if the app assistant creates a stage and spawns sceneA on that stage, from sceneA is where i want to swapScene
Nov 11 18:45:54 <Pat__> nothing broken, just need some advice on handling a commandMenu situation.
Nov 11 18:46:41 <Pat__> bmyers, you helped me just the other day. With the handleCommand chain issue, and all worked well ,THANKS!
Nov 11 18:47:22 <bmyers> u r welcome.
Nov 11 18:47:35 <bmyers> r u working a menu for you app u mean? across scenes?
Nov 11 18:47:40 <sugardave> PuffTheMagic: something like Mojo.Controller.stageController.swapScene('scene');
Nov 11 18:47:42 <sugardave> should work
Nov 11 18:48:02 <Pat__> I am try to get the commandMenu button to act while the user is holding down the button
Nov 11 18:48:28 <bmyers> yeah theres an event for that
Nov 11 18:48:54 <Pat__> say for simplicity sake, to count s++ while the button is being held down.
Nov 11 18:49:26 <bmyers> you’ll get an up and a down mouse event
Nov 11 18:49:39 <bmyers> after that you get a tap event
Nov 11 18:49:53 <bmyers> Info: got event 'mousedown' targeting element 'DIV#<no id>'
Nov 11 18:50:04 <bmyers> Info: got event 'mouseup' targeting element 'DIV#<no id>'
Nov 11 18:51:31 <bmyers> not sure what you ‘listen’ to, i havent used that feature yet.
Nov 11 18:51:49 <Pat__> but there's no 'id div for the commandMenu
Nov 11 18:51:57 <bmyers> just an example
Nov 11 18:52:01 <PuffTheMagic> Rick-work: Cannot call method 'swapScene' of undefined
Nov 11 18:52:12 <Pat__> so what am I attaching the event to?
Nov 11 18:52:21 <Rick-work> PuffTheMagic  what does your swapscene line say?
Nov 11 18:52:27 <Rick-work> and what fileis it in?
Nov 11 18:52:55 <Pat__> commandMenu is instantiated in views
Nov 11 18:52:56 <ice_> Hey all. I have questions about C++ services on the palm pre using luna_service. Are there any palm engineers willing to shed a bit of light? Much appreciated.
Nov 11 18:53:06 <PuffTheMagic> Rick-work: ? file:///var/usr/palm/applications/ws.junk.wirc/index.html:0
Nov 11 18:53:22 <Pat__> rather is not instantiated in views
Nov 11 18:53:31 <Rick-work> ice_  that's the sort of question you absolutely aren't going to get an answer to.
Nov 11 18:53:45 <ice_> oh, basically, will Palm be distributing C++ headers and classes to use the lunaservice
Nov 11 18:53:49 <ice_> Rick-work: darn
Nov 11 18:54:00 <Rick-work> But if you ask in #webos-internals the folks in homebrew who hve been WRITING them  are going to be able to help you
Nov 11 18:54:18 <bmyers> Pat: is this what u r looking for ?http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Drag.html
Nov 11 18:54:19 <sugardave> PuffTheMagic: if my last command doesn't work, you can also try: Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().swapScene('name');
Nov 11 18:54:33 <ice_> Rick-work: I know :p but they write in C. In fact, some of the webos-internals guys who are doing this native dev are in this channel..
Nov 11 18:54:35 <PuffTheMagic> ok i will try that
Nov 11 18:54:53 <Rick-work> ice_  there are no formal annoucements about the possibility of binary sdk's for mojo, but the homebrew people have a full set of headers.
Nov 11 18:55:21 <Rick-work> ice_  they are, but this is the wrong channel for the discussion of that.  Palm just isn't doing binary now.
Nov 11 18:55:24 <ice_> Rick-work: The headers were open sourced early September
Nov 11 18:55:31 <Rick-work> nodnod
Nov 11 18:55:53 <ice_> Rick-work: Ahh... well, that's lame, don't ya think :p. The infrastructure is mostly there.
Nov 11 18:56:07 <ice_> understood
Nov 11 18:56:10 <Rick-work> but Palm's policy as of now is that except for a tiny group of official partners, there is no binary development.
Nov 11 18:56:44 <PuffTheMagic> sugardave: that did the trick
Nov 11 18:56:48 <PuffTheMagic> thanks
Nov 11 18:56:54 <Pat__> no not the drag. The commanMenu on the bottom, which for example holds the back/forward refresh/new group buttons
Nov 11 18:56:55 <sugardave> np
Nov 11 18:57:05 <Rick-work> If you have a TRUELY GREAT IDEA on the order of classic or docs to go, and have it implemented and ready, then contact devrel or chuqi and ask them.
Nov 11 18:57:34 <bmyers> Pat: yeah not that.. this http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Event.html#.hold
Nov 11 18:57:39 <ice_> Rick-work. That makes sense I guess... Thanks :)
Nov 11 18:57:42 <Pat__> so an example usage would be the music apps rewind/ forward buttons.
Nov 11 18:57:47 <Rick-work> Pat__  the command menu is part of the DOM  isn't it?   Can't you see it in inspector?
Nov 11 18:58:00 <Rick-work> If so, you can put an mousedown and mouseup listener on it.
Nov 11 18:58:18 <bmyers> right Rick: what do you listen to?
Nov 11 18:58:35 <Rick-work> mousedown and mouseup
Nov 11 18:58:42 <bmyers> there ya go..
Nov 11 18:59:20 <sugardave> they should rename those to 'fingerdown' and 'fingerup'
Nov 11 18:59:34 <bmyers> Pat: do what you want to catch and watch the logs
Nov 11 18:59:35 <Pat__> yeah you can see it rick, however there is no id attached. I can use prototype's element, but that is stamch turning
Nov 11 18:59:43 <bmyers> to see what gets reported
Nov 11 19:00:04 <bmyers> you’ll see this in the logs:
Nov 11 19:00:17 <bmyers> Info: got event 'mouseup' targeting element SOMETHING HERE
Nov 11 19:00:58 <Rick-work> Pat__ apparently Mojo didn't put a hold event on the command menus,  so settle your stomach, bite your bile, and just do it.
Nov 11 19:01:23 <bmyers> o command menu..
Nov 11 19:01:27 <bmyers> bummer
Nov 11 19:01:30 <Rick-work> or,  fake the command menu button.  and read your own taps and holds
Nov 11 19:01:38 <Rick-work> your choice.
Nov 11 19:02:39 <Pat__> bm, your saying the commandMenu should give me some log output in putty?
Nov 11 19:03:07 <bmyers> it seems not on commandmenus according to Rick.
Nov 11 19:03:25 <bmyers> but look at log .com.your.app in the emu to see what comes thru
Nov 11 19:03:54 <bmyers> yes, in putty, on the emu
Nov 11 19:04:42 <bmyers> i get a hold event in my commandmenu
Nov 11 19:04:46 <bmyers> Info: sending event 'mojo-hold' targeting element 'DIV#<no id>'
Nov 11 19:04:53 <egaudet_work> can you just listen for the hold event and then test the event.target
Nov 11 19:05:02 <bmyers> i would think so
Nov 11 19:06:12 <Pat__> "just listen for the hold event".. listen to what? there has to be a div to listen to.
Nov 11 19:06:25 <bmyers> the widget you setup?
Nov 11 19:07:34 <sdu> pixie rocks
Nov 11 19:07:47 <sdu> had mine for a few days now
Nov 11 19:10:27 <egaudet_work> wow
Nov 11 19:56:16 <Roy-Pre101> Back home
Nov 11 20:05:18 <gkatsev> someone change it to "officially unofficial discussion": http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1828
Nov 11 20:31:14 <nonpolar> Hello! Can I have multiple sources for a scene in sources.json?
Nov 11 20:34:15 <CTLAdvance> you can use multiple js files, but you can only have one scene assistant
Nov 11 20:34:51 <Roy-Pre101> Just have another section listing the scene it's used with.
Nov 11 20:35:00 <Roy-Pre101> You cannot put more than one source in a section, it seems.
Nov 11 20:35:02 <Roy-Pre101> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1795
Nov 11 20:35:34 <Roy-Pre101> Holy crap, my spambox is overflowing with viagra.
Nov 11 20:35:51 <nonpolar> Roy-Pre101: Thanks... I missed that I cannot put more than one source in section
Nov 11 20:36:14 <nonpolar> So all libraries are "globally" available then?
Nov 11 20:36:47 <Roy-Pre101> yes
Nov 11 20:36:58 <Roy-Pre101> If by libraries you mean any old javascript you include in sources.json
Nov 11 20:38:22 <Roy-Pre101> If you include a scene then the javascript is only loaded when that scene is first loaded.
Nov 11 20:38:30 <Roy-Pre101> If you don't, loads at startup
Nov 11 20:38:35 <Roy-Pre101> Adora: howdy!
Nov 11 20:38:46 <Adora> heya roy!
Nov 11 20:40:41 <nonpolar> If there is something going wrong in my code... The palm does not spit out an error as far as I can see. How can I see if an exception was thrown? Is there something like that in JS at all? :D
Nov 11 20:41:15 <bmyers> like a debugger?
Nov 11 20:41:15 <Roy-Pre101> yep
Nov 11 20:41:20 <Roy-Pre101> try/catch
Nov 11 20:41:22 <nonpolar> I am using the emulator btw
Nov 11 20:41:33 <Roy-Pre101> Use Palm Inspect and wrap with try/catch.  Some info here:
Nov 11 20:41:36 <Roy-Pre101> http://webos101.com
Nov 11 20:41:47 <Roy-Pre101> *Inspector
Nov 11 20:41:50 <Flashpass> any idea why when i enter "##GPS#" nothing shows up?
Nov 11 20:42:18 <lyht> nonpolar, you can also run palm-log, most non-caught exceptions are spit out there.
Nov 11 20:42:18 <bmyers> flashpass: on the emu?
Nov 11 20:42:33 <Flashpass> no on my actual phone
Nov 11 20:43:22 <lyht> I think I am a palm-log evangelist
Nov 11 20:43:31 <bmyers> i use it too
Nov 11 20:43:45 <Flashpass> bmyers: is an extra icon supposed to show up on the list when i type that?
Nov 11 20:44:12 <bmyers> no a new scene pops up
Nov 11 20:44:20 <bmyers> GPS information,,
Nov 11 20:44:36 <nonpolar> lyht: Thanks! This is exactly what I looked for
Nov 11 20:44:44 <nonpolar> This should be shown somewhere in Eclipse...
Nov 11 20:44:52 <lyht> that would be cool.
Nov 11 20:45:03 <lyht> should be possible
Nov 11 20:45:09 <Flashpass> bmyers: hmm, yeah I type that string exactly and I just see the normal links, "google", "google maps" etc
Nov 11 20:45:13 <nonpolar> Hmm... yeah shouldn't be too much effort
Nov 11 20:45:19 <nonpolar> Is the palm-plugin oss?
Nov 11 20:45:24 <Flashpass> bmyers: you type that in card view correct?
Nov 11 20:45:29 <lyht> dont know.
Nov 11 20:45:31 <bmyers> flashpass: sprint phone?
Nov 11 20:45:37 <Flashpass> bmyers: yup
Nov 11 20:45:41 <bmyers> no, from the dial pad
Nov 11 20:46:21 <Flashpass> ah okay, theres the issue then haha - thought it was like the dev mode thing
Nov 11 20:46:33 <bmyers> nope. phone app thing..
Nov 11 20:48:10 <nonpolar> Eeek. Any hints on this: [20091111-21:47:18.043082] info: =========> Calling palmInitFramework200_18 [20091111-21:47:18.334993] error: Uncaught TypeError: Object #<an InstallPrototypeBuiltIn> has no method 'extend'?
Nov 11 20:49:58 <nonpolar> d'oh... seems like the library i wanted to use, relies on a different prototype version, than the one which is in webOS...
Nov 11 20:50:23 <Flashpass> bmyers: okay, might be a stupid question, but how do you get it to actually input the 'g' and the 's'? the phone app doesn't seem to accept it
Nov 11 20:50:36 <Hernlebuh> hi all!
Nov 11 20:50:44 <bmyers> ##477#
Nov 11 20:51:05 <gkatsev> gps
Nov 11 20:51:17 <Hernlebuh> can someone help me? I try to get the device's ID - wel i do it with this code:
Nov 11 20:51:18 <Hernlebuh> this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.preferences/systemProperties', {
Nov 11 20:51:18 <Hernlebuh>     method:"Get",
Nov 11 20:51:18 <Hernlebuh>     parameters:{"key": "com.palm.properties.nduid"},
Nov 11 20:51:18 <Hernlebuh>     onSuccess: this.handleOKResponse 	
Nov 11 20:51:18 <Hernlebuh>     });
Nov 11 20:51:21 <Hernlebuh> and...
Nov 11 20:51:31 <Hernlebuh> SupportAssistant.prototype.handleOKResponse = function(response){
Nov 11 20:51:31 <Hernlebuh> 	$('area-to-update').update("System Properties are: <br><br>" + Object.toJSON(response));															
Nov 11 20:51:31 <Hernlebuh> }
Nov 11 20:51:38 <sugardave> whoa
Nov 11 20:51:43 <sugardave> how about some pastebin?
Nov 11 20:52:35 <Flashpass> bmyers: AH, makes sense haha - never use that anymore since my old BB didn't have it haha
Nov 11 20:52:47 <mikewx> hrm, new product idea. capacitive passthrough microfiber finger condoms so I can touch my pre's screen without leaving smudge marks...
Nov 11 20:52:54 <Hernlebuh> i want the device id as varible, i donÄt know how to do this..?!
Nov 11 20:53:23 <sugardave> Hernlebuh: are you in the "not yet released to everyone" emulator?  If so, that particular property is broken
Nov 11 20:53:35 <Roy-Pre101> mikewx: I think they have those.
Nov 11 20:53:43 <Hernlebuh> no the normal emulator
Nov 11 20:53:56 <Hernlebuh> i recive a device id but not as variable
Nov 11 20:54:08 <mikewx> heh cool
Nov 11 20:54:21 <lyht> what do you get?
Nov 11 20:54:30 <lyht> if not a variable?
Nov 11 20:54:50 <sugardave> ah
Nov 11 20:54:59 <bmyers> he gets Object.toJSON(response)
Nov 11 20:55:15 <sugardave> I understand..in handleOKResponse, you need to set your variable thusly, myVar = response.key;
Nov 11 20:55:18 <lyht> well, yah, that would be the string representation.
Nov 11 20:55:20 <Hernlebuh> this:    {"com.palm.properties.nduid": "4747ff4.......f125a"}
Nov 11 20:55:35 <Hernlebuh> ah
Nov 11 20:55:36 <Hernlebuh> ok
Nov 11 20:55:40 <Hernlebuh> well i try it
Nov 11 20:55:42 <sugardave> actually
Nov 11 20:56:01 <sugardave> or not key
Nov 11 20:56:04 <Hernlebuh> in my "SupportAssistant.prototype.handleOKResponse = function(response){"-cod, or?
Nov 11 20:56:17 <edektor> anybody know when the emulator will have audio support?
Nov 11 20:56:18 <sugardave> response['com.palm.blahblahblah']?
Nov 11 20:56:48 <Hernlebuh> emulator have  NO audio support :-(
Nov 11 20:56:57 <edektor> nope
Nov 11 20:57:01 <sugardave> Hernlebuh: pastebin your code and I can put a quick edit in it
Nov 11 20:57:08 <sugardave> webos.pastebin.org
Nov 11 20:57:20 <Hernlebuh> ok- i write you......
Nov 11 20:57:44 <Hernlebuh> in the irc- chat alone with you ...
Nov 11 20:58:05 <Roy-Pre101> Hernlebuh: You can get .wav support on the emulator
Nov 11 20:58:11 <Roy-Pre101> Read my article.
Nov 11 20:58:35 <edektor> yeah I need mp3 stream support
Nov 11 20:59:06 <Hernlebuh> wa are all need mp3 support on the emulator :-D
Nov 11 21:02:33 <Roy-Pre101> Someday, someday.
Nov 11 21:06:10 <Hernlebuh> palm should work quicky on mp3 support in emu......
Nov 11 21:07:01 <sugardave> actually, someone should answer this here (I can't, my emulator is broken), to get nduid is it response.key or response['com.palm.properties.nduid']?
Nov 11 21:07:42 <Hernlebuh> ah sugardave I've mail you my code^^
Nov 11 21:09:05 <sugardave> I'm about to send it back
Nov 11 21:09:49 <edektor> sugardave: pretty sure it's response.key
Nov 11 21:09:51 <Hernlebuh> no no no!
Nov 11 21:09:57 <Hernlebuh> $('area-to-update').update("System Properties are: <br><br>" + response['com.palm.properties.nduid']);
Nov 11 21:10:01 <Hernlebuh> And it works!!
Nov 11 21:10:18 <Hernlebuh> Thanks ! Wuhu it works ;-)
Nov 11 21:10:39 <Hernlebuh> you needn't to reply me
Nov 11 21:10:41 <Hernlebuh> it works
Nov 11 21:10:47 <lyht> nice
Nov 11 21:11:10 <sugardave> cool
Nov 11 21:11:15 <Hernlebuh> yeah
Nov 11 21:11:18 <Hernlebuh> thanls again
Nov 11 21:11:23 <sugardave> was already replying :D
Nov 11 21:11:25 <sugardave> np
Nov 11 21:11:52 <Hernlebuh> well, in germany it's now time to sleep. Oh fucking school next day xD  Well, good night
Nov 11 21:11:58 <Hernlebuh> np np
Nov 11 21:12:03 <Hernlebuh> thanks again and bye
Nov 11 21:26:38 <mikewx> i just found out android has a keypass port
Nov 11 21:27:23 <nonpolar> Well... no school next day but a lot of work to do :) So good night guys
Nov 11 21:33:00 <odm4286> hey can someone give me some linux help?
Nov 11 21:33:52 <lyht> odm4286, maybe. Give it a shot and see...
Nov 11 21:36:37 <odm4286> you there?
Nov 11 21:37:21 <lyht> i'm here. dont know about anyone else.
Nov 11 21:37:33 <gkatsev> only you two are here
Nov 11 21:37:45 <odm4286> lyht I pm msged you
Nov 11 21:37:49 <odm4286> did you get it?
Nov 11 21:38:01 <lyht> got it.
Nov 11 21:39:48 <odm4286> anyone here with some linux experince I need some help
Nov 11 21:40:04 <gkatsev> odm4286: just ask the question
Nov 11 21:40:07 <gkatsev> someone will answer
Nov 11 21:40:24 <odm4286> well its about tethering
Nov 11 21:40:24 <evul_c> odm4286: ill try
Nov 11 21:40:41 <evul_c> oh. I won't know that.
Nov 11 21:40:51 <odm4286> I had it workin on vista
Nov 11 21:41:09 <odm4286> but can't get it to work on slackware 64#%3
Nov 11 21:41:24 <odm4286> 64bit*
Nov 11 21:41:33 <gkatsev> hm...
Nov 11 21:41:42 <gkatsev> cant help you, never used slackware
Nov 11 21:42:20 <odm4286> well I can just use linux
Nov 11 21:42:21 <odm4286> like terminal
Nov 11 21:44:41 <odm4286> it has to be possible the pre is built off linux lol
Nov 11 21:49:05 <gkatsev> it works on ubuntu, supposedly...
Nov 11 21:50:23 <joekinley> are there any concrete plans on the app store in europe? especially germany?
Nov 11 21:57:25 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: do your sound objects work in the new emulator?
Nov 11 22:00:22 <Roy-Pre101> yes
Nov 11 22:01:13 <sugardave> erg, I'm getting 'Audio not defined'
Nov 11 22:01:15 <sugardave> oh wait
Nov 11 22:01:16 <sugardave> crap
Nov 11 22:01:25 <sugardave> I forget about including the media thing
Nov 11 22:04:21 <dBsooner> how do you make the Emulator go to screen lock?
Nov 11 22:06:32 <dBsooner> Rick-work: ?
Nov 11 22:10:30 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Well, that -is- important.
Nov 11 22:16:21 <Rick-work> dBsooner  yes?
Nov 11 22:17:00 <dBsooner> do you know if there is a way to make the emulator go to sleep?
Nov 11 22:17:05 <dBsooner> "lock the screen"?
Nov 11 22:18:05 <Rick-work> dBsooner I do not know.
Nov 11 22:18:40 <Rick-work> if dalmaer is still around or chuqi or adora
Nov 11 22:18:52 <Rick-work> perhaps they can tell us whoto ask
Nov 11 22:18:53 <dalmaer> Rick-work: whatcha need?
Nov 11 22:19:23 <Rick-work> dalmaer  we need to know if there is a way to cause the emulator to go to sleep.
Nov 11 22:19:31 <dalmaer> ah, *checks*
Nov 11 22:19:34 <Rick-work> so that it displays the lock screen.
Nov 11 22:19:36 <dBsooner> make the "pin lock" come up
Nov 11 22:19:42 <dBsooner> yes.. display lock screen
Nov 11 22:21:12 <Rick-work> dBsooner  when the boss is in channel,  ask the boss.  :-)
Nov 11 22:21:26 * dalmaer is running off looking for the answer....
Nov 11 22:21:29 <Rick-work> if you see lemektron in channel,  he WROTE the emulator.
Nov 11 22:21:46 <dBsooner> mmk
Nov 11 22:21:58 <Rick-work> ooops  lemketron
Nov 11 22:22:22 <Rick-work> lemketron wrote the emulator, he would know what it can and can't do, especially sleep and pin-lock
Nov 11 22:22:42 <Rick-work> And I love his job title,  "Sr. Bit Twiddler" -- on his business cards.
Nov 11 22:22:51 <dalmaer> lemketron: yeah, around per chance? :)
Nov 11 22:22:52 <dBsooner> LOL. That's great.
Nov 11 22:23:07 * CTLAdvance chokes on pretzel
Nov 11 22:23:23 <Rick-work> problem is,  he lurks even when he's away.
Nov 11 22:24:51 <dalmaer> looks like there is no way to do it
Nov 11 22:25:00 <dalmaer> emulator thinks it is on a touchstone, so we dont get the USB icon coming in, but it thinks it is on a power source
Nov 11 22:25:12 <dBsooner> nice
Nov 11 22:25:42 <dalmaer> we need to file a bug :)
Nov 11 22:25:43 <dalmaer> [
Nov 11 22:28:08 <Roy-Pre101> Or bug a file.
Nov 11 22:30:46 <sportman> is there a pre voice recording app?
Nov 11 22:32:26 <CTLAdvance> no
Nov 11 22:41:19 <Roy-Pre101> Match 'Em updated.  Hopefully will land with the Pixi.
Nov 11 22:41:35 <Roy-Pre101> Wanted to do more but getting it out is most imporant.
Nov 11 22:47:30 <crossproduct> hello
Nov 11 22:50:38 <Roy-Pre101> crossproduct: Hello.
Nov 11 22:57:51 <e^ipi> i don't suppose there's a useful ssh client out somewhere?
Nov 11 22:58:23 <sugardave> ssh?
Nov 11 22:58:43 <FreeTim3> for ftp, I use WinSCP...  for telnet, Putty does SSH just fine...  see the putty page on wiki
Nov 11 23:00:04 <FreeTim3> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Putty
Nov 11 23:00:25 <crossproduct> just tesing out wIRC app on the Pre
Nov 11 23:00:30 <crossproduct> works reall well
Nov 11 23:02:06 <e^ipi> my bad, i mean i want an ssh client for the pre
Nov 11 23:02:18 <e^ipi> such that I can connect to my remote machines with the phone
Nov 11 23:02:59 <FreeTim3> but it's linux right... can't you just do it from command line
Nov 11 23:03:15 <e^ipi> i dunno, can you?
Nov 11 23:03:31 <crossproduct> I use the terminal app for ssh
Nov 11 23:03:34 <crossproduct> works great
Nov 11 23:03:43 <FreeTim3> Yep it's here - try this link http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal
Nov 11 23:03:59 <crossproduct> right on Tim
Nov 11 23:04:00 <e^ipi> huh, i had that installed but it didn't seem i had ssh anywhere
Nov 11 23:04:21 <crossproduct> oh, well, you need to install openSSH as well
Nov 11 23:04:32 <FreeTim3> Well, you could ssh in to the command line linux see... and then SSH2 out from there to ...
Nov 11 23:04:36 <FreeTim3> right on crossproduct :)
Nov 11 23:49:48 * CTLAdvance yawn
Nov 12 00:05:20 <sugardave> emulator with sound enabled still won't play all wav files....wonder if it's a size issue
Nov 12 00:15:42 <fearphage> is there a business card reader app?
Nov 12 00:27:42 <rboatright> fearphage:  no
Nov 12 00:27:43 <sachadeousa> hello
Nov 12 00:28:11 <rboatright> fearphage:   a business card reader app would have to upload the photo to the cloud for ocr, since there is no binary sdk for the pre.
Nov 12 00:28:12 <sachadeousa> is anyone beta testing wirc?
Nov 12 00:28:14 <rboatright> ditto barcode.
Nov 12 00:28:26 <rboatright> sachadeousa:   there are now many many many wirc users.
Nov 12 00:28:35 <haeffb_> sachadeousa: everybody is
Nov 12 00:28:37 <rboatright> if you're having issues,  /join #wirc
Nov 12 00:28:45 <rboatright> where they're fixing them in real time
Nov 12 00:29:00 <sachadeousa> no I just want to thank the devs
Nov 12 00:29:20 <fearphage> rboatright: isn't the phone linux, i've seen native c run on the device
Nov 12 00:30:05 <rboatright> fearphage:   sure.
Nov 12 00:30:12 <rboatright> but Palm doesn't SUPPORT binary
Nov 12 00:30:23 <rboatright> you could write one, but it would be homebrew only until a binary sdk comes out
Nov 12 00:30:30 <rboatright> if you're ok with that, go for it.
Nov 12 00:30:46 <rboatright> sachadeousa:   join #wirc, the devs are all there
Nov 12 00:30:52 <rboatright> oil and PuffTheMagic   in particular
Nov 12 00:32:28 <rboatright> dalmaer:   thanks for the quick research earlier,  I had a commute to home, but I wanted to say thanks.
Nov 12 00:37:08 <fearphage> rboatright: do you know of an ocr service? i'm searching and i see enterprise software but nothing free or even oss
Nov 12 00:40:40 <rboatright> fearphage:   nope.  But there are a lot of ocr PROGRAMS
Nov 12 00:40:58 <rboatright> simple enough to cobble together an ajax script to take an image, ocr it and return the text.
Nov 12 00:41:05 <rboatright> in other words,  Build your own.
Nov 12 00:41:57 <rboatright> fearphage:   I withdraw that entire comment
Nov 12 00:41:59 <rboatright> http://www.mt-soft.com.ar/2009/09/30/google-docs-ocr/
Nov 12 00:42:49 <rboatright> fearphage:   and there's  http://www.finereaderonline.com/Account/Logon?ReturnUrl=/
Nov 12 00:43:08 <rboatright> as long as you stay under 10 images a day, free,  and I seldom get 10 cards a day....
Nov 12 00:43:10 <rboatright> :-)
Nov 12 00:45:45 <rboatright> fearphage:   http://www.onlineocr.net/
Nov 12 00:46:19 <sugardave> there has to be an easier way to loop a sound, dammit
Nov 12 00:46:36 <fearphage> i suck at searching. got it :0
Nov 12 00:46:41 <Roy-Pre101> You can, it just sucks, sugardave
Nov 12 00:46:48 <Roy-Pre101> Oh, -easier- way.
Nov 12 00:46:50 <Roy-Pre101> no.
Nov 12 00:46:53 <sugardave> yeah it does
Nov 12 00:47:04 <sugardave> first of all Media.Event.ENDED doesn't seem to exist
Nov 12 00:47:07 <sugardave> so, can't use that
Nov 12 00:47:29 <sugardave> setinveterval on audio.pause, audio.connectTime=0, audio.play doesn't work
Nov 12 00:47:41 <Roy-Pre101> You read my audio sample class, right?
Nov 12 00:48:00 <sugardave> yeah, but I don't want to go through all those hoops...I just want this crackling noise to play :D
Nov 12 00:48:31 <rboatright> sugardave:   why not just download his class, include it and call it
Nov 12 00:48:34 <rboatright> what hoops?
Nov 12 00:48:40 <rboatright> Roy jumped for us
Nov 12 00:48:57 <sugardave> because my brain doesn't work like that...let me see if it will be easy to do
Nov 12 00:50:06 <sugardave> I basically had already taken his stuff and made my own 'effect' class that does almost all that
Nov 12 00:51:58 <reality9110> sugardave: Media.Event.ENDED does exist.
Nov 12 00:52:33 <reality9110> You need to setup the event handlers correctly though or else it doesn't work
Nov 12 00:53:33 <sugardave> reality9110: I'm looking at 3 or 4 different examples, and I can't seem to get it happening, but I'm about to have a breakthrough
Nov 12 00:53:40 <sugardave> I feel it
Nov 12 00:59:10 <sugardave> arg, maybe not...I dropped Roy's class in, included it, massaged the right pieces, no sound
Nov 12 01:03:32 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: No sound?
Nov 12 01:04:38 <sugardave> no
Nov 12 01:05:50 <dwfrank> anyone understand where the current path is when a list widget is setup?
Nov 12 01:06:02 <dwfrank> I thought it was app/views/<controllerName>
Nov 12 01:06:16 <dwfrank> But I'm trying to render a template from elsewhere and can't make it work.
Nov 12 01:09:09 <fearphage> rboatright: it may be already done... sort of ... http://iphone.tmcnet.com/topics/iphone/articles/53055-abbyy-intros-optical-character-recognition-support-apple-iphone.htm
Nov 12 01:14:49 <sugardave> hmm...audioObj.src is coming through as undefined....
Nov 12 01:23:21 <reality9110> sugardave: Still around?  Had some business to take care of.
Nov 12 01:23:35 <sugardave> yeah
Nov 12 01:23:48 <sugardave> trying to get roy's sound class working
Nov 12 01:24:32 <reality9110> http://webos.pastebin.com/d5c73e00d
Nov 12 01:25:15 <sugardave> that's exactly what I have right now
Nov 12 01:25:40 <sugardave> except for ended, but I can't get the initial audio to play
Nov 12 01:25:43 <reality9110> Alright.  Then convert it to WebOS's language.
Nov 12 01:26:03 <reality9110> Meaning, put it into your scene
Nov 12 01:26:14 <reality9110> Don't call it from an external file
Nov 12 01:26:29 <sugardave> yeah, that's next
Nov 12 01:32:33 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: What type of file are you playing?  You sure it will play?
Nov 12 01:32:41 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, I need some christmas background music.
Nov 12 01:32:55 <Roy-Pre101> Rick-work: Did you find some royalty-free music?
Nov 12 01:33:02 <quotemstr> Is iTunes broken with the Pre again?
Nov 12 01:33:26 <reality9110> Itunes is broken by it's very existence
Nov 12 01:34:36 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: it's a big wav file...I can make it play on the device, just can't make it auto-loop....but I can't get it to play in the emu at all
Nov 12 01:34:55 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm...
Nov 12 01:35:13 <reality9110> Audio doesn't play in the emu
Nov 12 01:35:19 <sugardave> it can
Nov 12 01:35:35 <sugardave> I've got another app that works playing short wavs
Nov 12 01:35:48 <reality9110> Does it work for mp3s or streams?
Nov 12 01:35:53 <sugardave> and the long/big wav WILL play in on device
Nov 12 01:36:01 <sugardave> no, only wav/pcm right now
Nov 12 01:36:06 <sugardave> local
Nov 12 01:36:08 <sugardave> I'd guess
Nov 12 01:36:16 <reality9110> Bah.  Worthless to me
Nov 12 01:36:22 <sugardave> but I haven't begun to look at the world of online audio
Nov 12 01:36:53 <reality9110> Yeah, don't.  Or I'll have to crush you.
Nov 12 01:37:04 <sugardave> now I've crashed my emulator so hard, vbox won't let me start it again
Nov 12 01:41:16 <Roy-Pre101> :D
Nov 12 01:51:25 <rboatrightxx> Back intill   pre batt dies
Nov 12 01:51:44 <dawm_> lol
Nov 12 01:52:11 <rboatrightxx> If I do this wirc thing much I'm going tohave to  make a minty power
Nov 12 01:53:40 <rboatrightxx> 4 NiMH aa = e
Nov 12 01:53:51 <rboatrightxx> 12 watt hous...
Nov 12 01:54:12 <fearphage> do you know the wifi chipset of the pre? is that information readily available somewhere?
Nov 12 01:54:18 <rboatrightxx> Vs  in pre batt 3.5
Nov 12 01:54:39 <rboatrightxx> +%:%
Nov 12 01:54:42 <rboatrightxx> Wiki
Nov 12 01:55:20 <rboatrightxx> fearphage:  webos internals wiki
Nov 12 01:57:47 <natenrb9> does anyone know the name of the default stage created when opening an app?  or the nomenclature used for it?
Nov 12 01:58:24 <_droO> this.stageController ?
Nov 12 01:59:01 <natenrb9> I need the stageName for this: Mojo.Controller.AppController.closeStage(stageName)
Nov 12 01:59:26 <fearphage> rboatrightxx: i checked but didn't see it listed
Nov 12 01:59:51 <_droO> Mojo.Controller.StageController.deactivate()
Nov 12 01:59:52 <_droO> ?
Nov 12 02:00:06 <rboatrightxx> fearphage: research@area hardware
Nov 12 02:01:00 <natenrb9> the deactivate will just minimize the card
Nov 12 02:01:21 <rboatrightxx> natenrb9:  activestagecontroller
Nov 12 02:01:35 <_droO> http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Controller.StageController.html
Nov 12 02:02:15 <rboatrightxx> Nod
Nov 12 02:04:50 <fearphage> rboatrightxx: perhaps i'm blind or it's just too late here
Nov 12 02:05:37 <rboatrightxx> fearphage: I am mobile or I would help you
Nov 12 02:05:50 <rboatrightxx> Ask I internals
Nov 12 02:06:09 <fearphage> rboatrightxx: i've been to the page and looked at hardware (wifi is not listed) also on the research page i don't see mentions of it there
Nov 12 02:06:15 <fearphage> i appreciate the help though
Nov 12 02:06:22 <rboatrightxx> K
Nov 12 02:07:07 <rboatrightxx> Post the questuion to the hardware page
Nov 12 02:07:28 <rboatrightxx> Someone will know
Nov 12 02:08:35 <rboatrightxx> You did I presume google pre wifi chip...
Nov 12 02:17:32 <rwhitby> fearphage: google "palm pre block diagram"
Nov 12 02:18:38 <rwhitby> fearphage: from that you will find http://www.phonewreck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/prebd13.jpg
Nov 12 02:18:50 <rwhitby> fearphage: please add that to the wiki in all the places where you expected to find it
Nov 12 02:19:25 <sugardave> natenrb9: I think I answered that in one of your threads
Nov 12 02:21:34 <natenrb9> sugardave: yeah…I remember a post from you, didn't work...
Nov 12 02:21:46 <sugardave> lame :(
Nov 12 02:22:07 <sugardave> I get that a lot ;p
Nov 12 02:22:30 <natenrb9> sugardave: yeah…this problem has been killing me…can''t figure it out...
Nov 12 02:23:56 <rboatrightxx> Bbl
Nov 12 02:27:52 <sugardave> natenrb9: is there not Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController(); ?
Nov 12 02:28:30 <natenrb9> sugardave: yeah, I've tried getting that and then closing the stage…but no go
Nov 12 02:28:53 <natenrb9> sugardave: like this:
Nov 12 02:28:58 <natenrb9> sugardave: var stageName = this.controller.getActiveStageController();
Nov 12 02:28:58 <natenrb9> 	stageName.closeAllStages();
Nov 12 02:29:10 <natenrb9> whoops
Nov 12 02:29:33 <natenrb9> sugadave: this - var stageName = this.controller.getActiveStageController();
Nov 12 02:29:33 <natenrb9> 	stageName.closeStage();
Nov 12 02:33:24 <sugardave> natenrb9: I'm looking at something, might be a few minutes
Nov 12 02:35:07 <grndslm> anybody know if there's an adblock-esque tweak/patch for the browser??
Nov 12 02:35:19 <grndslm> saw one mentioned in the "tweak guide", but i'm not seeing it in preware
Nov 12 02:35:25 <sugardave> natenrb9: closeStage is a method of the appController, not the stageController
Nov 12 02:35:43 <natenrb9> grndsim: yeah, there is via QuickInstall
Nov 12 02:36:11 <natenrb9> sugardave: right
Nov 12 02:36:12 <sugardave> so like this:  Mojo.Controller.appController.closeStage(stageName);
Nov 12 02:36:21 <sugardave> so now you just need the stage's name
Nov 12 02:36:34 <sugardave> which the default appears to be 'main'
Nov 12 02:38:07 <haeffb_> default is definitely not 'main'
Nov 12 02:38:16 <natenrb9> sugardave: yeah, I'm working from the app-assistant
Nov 12 02:38:30 <natenrb9> sugardave: so this.controller should be right
Nov 12 02:38:50 <natenrb9> haeffb_: any ideas on the default stage name?
Nov 12 02:39:14 <haeffb_> nope. I followed your thread(s) on dev forums, but haven't looked into deciphering the name
Nov 12 02:40:18 <natenrb9> haeffb_: gotcha…I've looked into it a ton, but no luck...
Nov 12 02:40:45 <haeffb_> looks like index1, but you've tried that?
Nov 12 02:40:47 <Roy-Pre101> Including multiple xmas songs is going to be a no-go.
Nov 12 02:40:54 <Roy-Pre101> .wav files are just too huge.
Nov 12 02:41:03 <haeffb_> index-1
Nov 12 02:41:24 <natenrb9> yeah, tried index-1
Nov 12 02:41:34 <natenrb9> that's what is seems it should be...
Nov 12 02:42:05 <haeffb_> I just use noWindow:true and create my own stage...but I know you don't care for that solution
Nov 12 02:42:56 <natenrb9> yeah, have you noticed how that creates a lag when clicking the app icon to open the app?
Nov 12 02:43:41 <natenrb9> that is what I currently do, but want to get rid of the lag...
Nov 12 02:43:43 <haeffb_> I'm pretty sure what it's actually doing is creating the default stage, then closing it, then creating your new stage.
Nov 12 02:43:56 <haeffb_> Which seems like a bug.
Nov 12 02:44:04 <natenrb9> haeffb_: exactly
Nov 12 02:44:21 <edektor> how can I recognize what device my application is on pre or pixi?
Nov 12 02:46:11 <haeffb_> edektor: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2975&hilit=pixi+screen
Nov 12 02:46:29 <haeffb_> search is thy friend
Nov 12 02:46:31 <edektor> ahh
Nov 12 02:46:33 <edektor> thank you
Nov 12 02:47:18 <haeffb_> my first response was going to be "if it has a slider"
Nov 12 02:47:23 <Roy-Pre101> hmm....
Nov 12 02:47:50 <Roy-Pre101> Maybe I can.
Nov 12 02:47:57 <haeffb_> natenrb9: when I say "pretty sure" I mean I'm just guessing
Nov 12 02:49:00 <natenrb9> haeffb_: "if it has a slider" = ha!
Nov 12 02:49:15 <natenrb9> haeffb_: I think your guess is right
Nov 12 02:50:50 <natenrb9> haeffb_: noWindow: true should make it so no default stage is ever created
Nov 12 02:54:07 <sugardave> natenrb9: I got it
Nov 12 02:54:29 <sugardave> I think
Nov 12 02:54:34 <sugardave> Mojo.Controller.appController.getStageMgr().closeStage('_originalMojoCard');
Nov 12 02:54:42 <sugardave> whew
Nov 12 02:55:15 <sugardave> if you do .getStageMgr().getAllStageKeys (or something like that) it returns an array of stage names
Nov 12 02:55:21 <sugardave> and that's the only one in my single stage app
Nov 12 02:55:27 <sugardave> and it closes right away
Nov 12 02:55:52 <haeffb_> interesting. Wonder if you can use that in AppAssistant.handleLaunch()?
Nov 12 02:56:04 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Don't forget to document it! ;)
Nov 12 02:56:07 <Roy-Pre101> I know you will.
Nov 12 02:56:11 <Roy-Pre101> (not forget)
Nov 12 02:56:14 <sugardave> haha
Nov 12 02:56:19 <sugardave> that could go either way
Nov 12 02:56:35 <sugardave> I WANT MY SOUND TO WORK :(
Nov 12 02:56:50 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, I think I can include several songs.
Nov 12 02:56:54 <Roy-Pre101> And cycle between them.
Nov 12 02:57:01 <sugardave> braggart
Nov 12 02:57:29 <Roy-Pre101> Converting them to mono and downsampling does wonders for size.
Nov 12 02:57:46 <sugardave> any recommendations on a free windows app to do such?
Nov 12 02:58:02 <Roy-Pre101> Does audacity work on windows?  If so, that.
Nov 12 02:58:14 <Roy-Pre101> There are lots of apps on windows I think
Nov 12 02:58:32 <Roy-Pre101> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/
Nov 12 02:58:58 <sugardave> ah, cool
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