**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 04:48:49 2009 Nov 17 05:07:22 nslu2-log, hello there, log Nov 17 05:19:06 where and I find some docs on the ImageCropView widget? Nov 17 06:04:17 edektor - as far as I know there isnt an imagecropview widget Nov 17 06:04:49 infact I know there isnt one Nov 17 06:05:06 there is an imageview widget but it is only good for viewing an image Nov 17 06:05:29 ya thats lame Nov 17 06:05:35 CTLAdvance-work: look in the mojomatters example Nov 17 06:05:52 HI all! Nov 17 06:06:03 I have it working I just want to know what else I can do with it Nov 17 06:06:18 i wanted to embed an image that was taken in a screen, as a preview, and the best i could do was Nov 17 06:06:42 totally chugs the UI because it's putting the full size image on screen. 3MP or whatever the camera is Nov 17 06:08:58 Is mojomatters part of 1.3.1? Nov 17 06:09:37 Its and example app that comes with the 1.3.1 SDK like stylematters Nov 17 06:11:01 Yeah I knew about style matters Nov 17 06:11:08 havent seen mojomatters Nov 17 06:11:14 looks to be a simple cropping app Nov 17 06:11:19 this is sort of nice Nov 17 06:11:49 but i dont know if it actually crops or not Nov 17 06:12:02 Its not doing anything for me Nov 17 06:12:08 Doesnt save anywhere Nov 17 06:12:17 let me look at this source code Nov 17 06:13:12 Can you get it to save a picture? Nov 17 06:13:54 It using a picture that is all ready on the disk and I want to know if it writes over that image with the cropped one Nov 17 06:14:34 no Nov 17 06:14:39 its not doing anything Nov 17 06:14:49 how do you know? Nov 17 06:15:00 Because its notcreating any copies Nov 17 06:15:04 or images Nov 17 06:15:24 unless i am wrong let me keep looking Nov 17 06:15:27 that why I need docs for it Nov 17 06:15:36 guess ill just look in the refcode Nov 17 06:17:39 doesnt look like its fully implemented Nov 17 06:18:26 let me know if you see something Nov 17 06:18:40 this looks to be a promising find at some point Nov 17 06:18:52 Hey Nov 17 06:18:57 qq how do you look at the ref code? Nov 17 06:19:05 My background grabbing code isnt working in 1.3.1 Nov 17 06:19:14 anyone have info on it? Nov 17 06:19:38 apparently they havent updated any docs yet from what I can see Nov 17 06:20:50 kesne, why would someone have info on your code? Nov 17 06:21:46 kesne: is it open source? Nov 17 06:23:52 not my code Nov 17 06:23:54 palm's Nov 17 06:23:56 i suppose Nov 17 06:23:59 let me grab it Nov 17 06:24:39 kesne, release it gpl and i'll debug it for you Nov 17 06:24:58 var params = {}; Nov 17 06:24:58 params.keys = ['wallpaper']; Nov 17 06:24:58 this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.systemservice', Nov 17 06:24:58 { Nov 17 06:24:58 method: 'getPreferences', Nov 17 06:24:59 parameters: params, Nov 17 06:25:01 onSuccess: this.setWallpaper.bind(this) Nov 17 06:25:03 }); Nov 17 06:25:07 That's the code Nov 17 06:25:22 edektor - I dont see it calling the docrop method Nov 17 06:25:33 not getting anything in the log Nov 17 06:26:03 you have to increase the log level Nov 17 06:26:10 kesne, this channel is logged, technically that code snippet is being redistributed with your consent to a webserver. Nov 17 06:26:30 see where it says callback: this.doCrop Nov 17 06:26:34 or something like that Nov 17 06:26:43 it gets called when you click the button Nov 17 06:26:46 tap* Nov 17 06:27:36 zsoc: not my code Nov 17 06:27:41 It's just a service request Nov 17 06:27:47 yeah but nothing is showing in the log Nov 17 06:27:48 standard palm stuff Nov 17 06:29:00 did you increase the log level? Nov 17 06:29:13 I'm try catching it now Nov 17 06:29:23 it was showing up in mine after I updated the framework_config.json Nov 17 06:29:33 hmm Nov 17 06:29:35 no error Nov 17 06:29:41 ah good point Nov 17 06:29:45 that needs to be 99 correct Nov 17 06:31:18 ok installing Nov 17 06:32:25 Evening Nov 17 06:33:52 If anyone is up, I'd love a pointer or two on getting some of the widgets working, as I must be missing something simple but can't seem to find it comparing against the UIWidgets sample Nov 17 06:34:23 Oh damn Nov 17 06:34:31 Are devs limited in where we can access files? Nov 17 06:35:03 can we access /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/images/ ? Nov 17 06:38:53 hello Dalmaer Nov 17 06:40:22 edektor Nov 17 06:40:26 huh Nov 17 06:40:44 Have you found anything else on the source Nov 17 06:41:33 do you know where this is located Nov 17 06:41:34 FLibExample Nov 17 06:41:34 I was looking at the actual implementation in the framework but nothing is different Nov 17 06:41:50 how do you view whats in the framework? Nov 17 06:41:51 in app-assistant Nov 17 06:42:47 the framework is in /opt/PalmSDK/Current/share/refcode/framework/200.47/ on OSX Nov 17 06:43:06 thanksk Nov 17 06:44:44 can this.controller.setupWidget be called from an AppAssistant.setup? Nov 17 06:46:19 khamer: like this: Nov 17 06:46:30 I can't find mention if widgets being instantiated without a scene Nov 17 06:46:41 oh Nov 17 06:46:46 no, they need a scene Nov 17 06:47:19 sugardave, oh, so they can't be in the index.html (or such) and instantiated in an AppAssistant Nov 17 06:47:27 sugardave, they require a scene... alright Nov 17 06:47:38 I'm pretty sure.... Nov 17 06:47:54 sugardave, that's what I'm experiencing as well, I was just surprised, I didn't expect that Nov 17 06:47:56 they would need to be in a scene's html Nov 17 06:48:12 but, there may be some widgets that don't require a scene? Nov 17 06:48:36 sugardave, I figured they might be able to be in the app's html instead for a simple app Nov 17 06:48:56 oh, and just run thatone page? that's probably doable Nov 17 06:49:12 I think it creates a default scene in that case Nov 17 06:49:15 called main Nov 17 06:49:22 you can try this: Nov 17 06:49:53 Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().setupWidget(...); Nov 17 06:49:56 or Nov 17 06:50:23 Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().activeScene().setupWidget(...); Nov 17 06:51:01 sugardave, let's see... Nov 17 06:53:24 sugardave, from within AppAssistant.setup, correct? Yeah, neither worked, but it could be something else too Nov 17 06:53:38 that would be where I would try to run it Nov 17 06:53:51 I haven't done much with app assistants Nov 17 06:55:02 sugardave, hm Nov 17 06:55:30 sugardave, as opposed to scene assistants? Nov 17 06:55:52 no stage assistants Nov 17 06:56:05 my apps are really simple, single-stage multi-scene Nov 17 06:56:06 sugardave, aj Nov 17 06:56:14 *ah Nov 17 06:57:24 sugardave, right now I'm just looking for a way to implement an extremely light/clean single-stage, single-scene set of applications Nov 17 06:57:58 sugardave, I was hoping to avoid a stage-assitant and a scene entirely, but it looks like they're needed to be able to use the widgets Nov 17 07:04:39 khamer: a stage-assistant with one scene is pretty lightweight/simple Nov 17 07:05:03 your StageAssistant.setup method can just do a pushScene to the only scene in your app Nov 17 07:05:11 then you can do all the code in the scene Nov 17 07:06:05 you'll end up with one extra html and .js file, that's about it Nov 17 07:06:24 sugardave, yeah, you're right Nov 17 07:06:47 sugardave, hey, do you develop in eclipse with the plugin? Nov 17 07:07:03 no, I use Templarian's Komodo extension and Komodo Edit Nov 17 07:09:43 sugardave, hm, hadn't seen that before Nov 17 07:10:43 check it out: http://webos.templarian.com/komodo/ Nov 17 07:10:52 a lot of us in the channel use it Nov 17 07:11:39 sugardave, I've got a fair amount of experience with eclipse, and use eclipse for my day job, so I've been working with that, but Aptana's javascript completition seems to be counter-productive Nov 17 07:13:13 ah, see, I'm no programmer...this is the first time I've ever really written code that was worthwhile (if that ;)...I looked at Eclipse a long time ago, and it seemed pretty complex and foreign to me Nov 17 07:14:17 sugardave, it took me a while to get used to it as an IDE, now I'm fully for it, but its code completion for javascript is poor most of the time Nov 17 07:15:01 but I'm not sure if that's because of the plugins I have, or how I'm using it, or because it just doesn't do a good job :P Nov 17 07:15:08 hehe Nov 17 07:15:20 well, I got to go to bed, late here Nov 17 07:15:32 sugardave, have a good night then Nov 17 07:15:38 sugardave, thanks for the comments Nov 17 07:15:42 no Nov 17 07:15:52 np, rather Nov 17 07:29:16 Anyone here know anything about the file picker attach option? Nov 17 07:30:07 mainly looking at action type **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 07:58:56 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 08:25:28 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 08:25:48 2009 Nov 17 08:26:31 Is Adora watching? Nov 17 08:38:41 Is their a bug with screen shots? Nov 17 08:47:31 *there Nov 17 08:47:33 =) Nov 17 08:48:38 Thanks :) Nov 17 08:48:42 its late here Nov 17 08:48:52 grammer is falling apart Nov 17 08:49:18 seems we got rid of org + Shft + P Nov 17 09:15:34 CTL: should be "opt" instead of "org" Nov 17 09:15:38 pixi has no org Nov 17 09:15:53 and it's *grammar, btw ... hehehe =) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 09:31:49 2009 Nov 17 09:55:27 hi all Nov 17 10:49:17 does anyone know if it's safe to just remove the email files from /var/luna/data/emails/bucket* I've got a lot of crude in there. Nov 17 14:05:33 hello all just testing this does anyone see the text ? Nov 17 14:15:26 is there any command to "kill" an app, maybe from novaterm? Nov 17 14:17:40 leonardo what r you tring to kill ? Nov 17 14:18:48 mobgod, the web browser hangs on the emulator, so i can't quit the application Nov 17 14:19:16 i wonder if exists a clean way other than reboot to retake the control Nov 17 14:24:08 sorry had a phone call Nov 17 14:25:26 did you find the info leonardo ? Nov 17 14:26:36 mobdog , i've tried with luna-send to retrieve the processId and to launch a close command Nov 17 14:27:38 did you man kill or ps ? Nov 17 14:29:06 i would like to not use kill 'cause i wouldn't stop the LunaSysManager process Nov 17 14:29:57 so can you look for the process # and kill that will it help Nov 17 14:36:17 leonardo did that help ? Nov 17 14:38:35 mobgod yes, even if it isn't the way i would like to stop the only app, but thanks :) Nov 17 14:41:41 np that's all I can think of kill process # Nov 17 14:42:02 better than kill all Nov 17 14:48:28 owell off to work Nov 17 15:04:33 oops i lost connection. if anyone replied to my previous message please send that url again please Nov 17 15:24:16 sigh. webos dr. still not updated Nov 17 15:30:16 CTLAdvance-work: orange_sym_p works...took a screenshot yesterdya to send to chuq Nov 17 15:35:56 trying out wirc on the pre. how do I change my nick? Nov 17 15:38:49 it's /nick nick Nov 17 15:40:28 Or possibly Menu -ยป change nick? :) Nov 17 15:42:11 ohh IRC on the pre Nov 17 15:42:12 slick Nov 17 15:42:26 must be hard to read :D Nov 17 15:42:50 nope Nov 17 15:43:24 jcrawford: it's extremely well done app, worth checkign out Nov 17 15:43:31 jcrawford: I remember it being rather good. Nov 17 15:43:33 is there any way to create a new "page" for applications? Nov 17 15:43:44 Azalyn: I think that there's a patch for that Nov 17 15:43:51 Azalyn: It doesn't work in 1.1.3 though Nov 17 15:43:59 you mean 1.3.1 ? Nov 17 15:44:02 heh, palm's new slogan, "we didnt' do it but there's a patch for that" Nov 17 15:44:11 Nope, 1.1.3, the GSM version :) Nov 17 15:44:16 oh Nov 17 15:44:17 should work in 1.1.x, I did it manually in 1.0 :) Nov 17 15:44:27 i'm with bell, in canada. so it's cdma Nov 17 15:44:29 :) Nov 17 15:44:41 mikewx: I've done it manually in 1.1.3, and I've got the menu items, but they don't actually work :) Nov 17 15:44:48 Still need to debug it. Nov 17 15:44:52 it's not urgent for me i guess. Nov 17 15:45:01 i just wanted to have my homebrew apps on a separate page Nov 17 15:45:15 Well, install preware and the patch :) Nov 17 15:45:27 patches make me nervous :P Nov 17 15:45:41 afraid they'll get borked during updates. Nov 17 15:46:10 Make sure you uninstall them, there's an application that can help with that... Nov 17 15:47:10 there's 2 places you ahve to change, have to add the menu items, then have to uncomment the handlers for them Nov 17 15:47:14 Azalyn: that's why we have EPR.. To recover any issues. Nov 17 15:48:29 There's always web doctor. Nov 17 15:48:38 but this channel is not for discussing this. We should talk about it in #webos-internals. Nov 17 15:48:48 * Maulkin nods Nov 17 15:54:50 if eval is evil, what is this: var someString = 'function(someCode;) {}; var func = new Function(someString); func()' ? Nov 17 15:55:03 oops Nov 17 15:55:20 if eval is evil, what is this: var someString = 'function(so) {someCode}; var func = new Function(someString); func()' ? Nov 17 15:55:33 dammit, I can't see properly in irssi, you get the idea Nov 17 16:19:15 g'day all Nov 17 16:20:00 hi zsoc_wirc Nov 17 16:20:21 anything exciting going on? Nov 17 16:22:02 sup Nov 17 16:22:38 do you have to enable dev mode or can you install through preware? Nov 17 16:22:44 sorry that question is about wirc :) Nov 17 16:27:52 so uh dev kit + programming skills = kaossilator? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LxWnHZESeg Nov 17 16:29:29 does anyone know if its possible to pass userdata to a service callback Nov 17 16:29:39 so that instead of just getting "payload" as a param Nov 17 16:29:45 i could get additional objects Nov 17 16:39:58 ShadeS: if you can get sounds to play like that with no latency, you will be a webOS god Nov 17 16:48:01 is it possible? Nov 17 16:48:13 to directly communicate with the hardware touchscreen itself? Nov 17 16:49:26 not in Mojo, you have to use events....check with #webos-internals if you want to do low-level stuff Nov 17 16:51:48 come on....I need 7 more downloads of Mind Master before they update more apps :D Nov 17 16:52:21 appstore? Nov 17 16:52:29 yeah Nov 17 16:52:33 app CATALOG Nov 17 16:52:36 how much/what is it Nov 17 16:52:38 wutev ;p Nov 17 16:52:50 it's $1.99...it's a logic game, based on the old Master Mind board game Nov 17 16:52:58 i renamed it to app store on my phone so :P Nov 17 16:53:01 haha Nov 17 16:53:03 patched it all up Nov 17 16:53:07 says catalog NOWHERE Nov 17 16:53:08 ;x Nov 17 16:53:19 jk Nov 17 16:53:20 but Nov 17 16:53:25 ill look at it :D prob buy Nov 17 16:53:37 the old screens sometimes show Nov 17 16:53:44 the new look is much better Nov 17 16:54:00 send me a ss :] Nov 17 16:54:03 of new ui Nov 17 16:54:19 alright, my Drupal doesn't do embedded pics yet, I will send you two links Nov 17 16:54:31 kk Nov 17 16:54:40 http://www.gomlsoft.com/sites/default/files/mindmaster_start_screen.png Nov 17 16:54:50 http://www.gomlsoft.com/sites/default/files/mindmaster_game_screen.png Nov 17 16:56:56 How does that work that 7 more downloads of your game affect when they release more apps? You are more powerful than I thought Nov 17 16:58:09 hehe, no that's the next goal....if they release apps today, I will be pushed further down the list Nov 17 17:00:00 sugardave: How many downloads to you have so far? Nov 17 17:00:13 not many, patch shows 193 Nov 17 17:02:35 sugardave, ah yes. True dat. Even with only 400 apps, it is already easy to get lost. Nov 17 17:03:13 yes, my star rating took a pummeling during the first two weeks, so I keep hoping some more people will review the new one Nov 17 17:03:57 It would almost be nice to have the ratings start over with a new version. Nov 17 17:04:26 hmmm.... Nov 17 17:04:43 sounds good at first blush, but I'm sure there are problems with that scenario :D Nov 17 17:04:48 But I also wish that only one rating would not even count... to keep out all the trivia games that have only been reviewed by the developer. Nov 17 17:04:54 lyht-sounds like a double edged sword Nov 17 17:04:54 "my ratings suck, time to releas a new version" Nov 17 17:05:00 hahaha Nov 17 17:05:10 or my ratings are amazing, now i released a new ver & zero stars Nov 17 17:05:11 ;/ Nov 17 17:05:18 I can't even review my own app, so.... Nov 17 17:05:23 I think that is something they fixed? Nov 17 17:05:26 you can't? Nov 17 17:05:31 I reviewed mine. Nov 17 17:05:40 nope, I always get "app catalog unavailable" when I try to review it Nov 17 17:05:47 wacky. Nov 17 17:05:53 now, I didn't purchase mine from the store, since I have it for free and all :D Nov 17 17:06:02 that might be why. Nov 17 17:06:16 They may have it that you have to have downloaded it? Nov 17 17:06:25 (which would be nice) Nov 17 17:06:39 hmm...I might try that Nov 17 17:07:36 I'm still only showing ~260 apps in the app catalog. Nov 17 17:07:45 I hope I don't have to doctor this thing again. Nov 17 17:08:04 Roy-Pre101: how do you get the whole list? Nov 17 17:08:40 Whole list of what? Nov 17 17:08:49 the whole list of catalog apps? Nov 17 17:08:49 I'm not seeing any recent updates. Nov 17 17:08:55 Roy-Pre101, and you are in the US? Nov 17 17:09:04 Browse it. Recent should show you everything. And yes, US. Nov 17 17:09:06 I mean, how do you know the total count? Are you counting them manually? Nov 17 17:09:29 oh, nevermind Nov 17 17:09:29 duh Nov 17 17:09:30 I see it Nov 17 17:09:35 I've got 375 showing Nov 17 17:09:48 me too Nov 17 17:10:06 i have 268 Nov 17 17:10:21 Is that not correct, the issue we've been having? Nov 17 17:10:31 datafirm, 1.3.1? Nov 17 17:10:34 yes Nov 17 17:10:40 lyht: ^ Nov 17 17:10:43 wacky. Nov 17 17:10:48 hmm...there's oddness with the catalog...I already mentioned to chuq that sometimes my old screens are showing Nov 17 17:11:03 so, they're still working out server updates, I suppose Nov 17 17:11:12 sugardave: yeah, he mentioned something about this in the forums. Nov 17 17:11:34 sugardave: old screen of your apps? Nov 17 17:13:00 datafirm: yeah, the 1.0.0 screenshots are up most of the time Nov 17 17:13:05 sometimes the new ones are there Nov 17 17:13:14 sometimes the old thumbs are up, but the large views are correct Nov 17 17:13:16 it's odd Nov 17 17:13:20 ha.. strange. Nov 17 17:13:30 server round robin chaching issues ? Nov 17 17:13:37 I guess Nov 17 17:13:53 which app? Nov 17 17:14:38 Mind Master Nov 17 17:15:20 sup sugar Nov 17 17:15:29 hey, how's it going? Nov 17 17:17:09 not bad you ? Nov 17 17:18:20 pretty good...learning more stuff Nov 17 17:20:05 aren't we all Nov 17 17:28:48 chuqui: anything exciting going on in the world of 'app developer portal' feature development? Nov 17 17:29:11 always! Nov 17 17:29:20 good, when do we get to see it? :D Nov 17 17:29:31 but right now, I'm reviewing app reviews in the catalog... Nov 17 17:30:05 chuqui: actually I do have a question...is Palm enabling devs to review their own apps? Nov 17 17:30:54 I ask because I tried, and I always get 'app catalog unavailable'...I'm wondering if it's because I didn't download it from the store Nov 17 17:31:09 Nothing in the plans for that now. Nov 17 17:31:39 shoot me off an email on that with why you think it's a good idea. I'll file an enhancement request so it's in the ssytem formally. Nov 17 17:32:14 well, I'm more trying to figure out how it's done, because there are apps that were obviously reviewed by the dev Nov 17 17:32:38 try buying it yourself, you should be able to then :) Nov 17 17:32:47 lyht: that's going to be my next test Nov 17 17:32:52 haha Nov 17 17:32:55 hmm. if "sh-t" is not okay, but"sucks" is, where is "blows? in the spectrum? Nov 17 17:33:07 blows ~= sucks IMO Nov 17 17:33:12 oh, life is never simple. Nov 17 17:33:14 oh, your job is fun! Nov 17 17:34:19 most of it. Nov 17 17:34:32 this part, not so. but it has to be done... Nov 17 17:35:08 hey i got a div with a button background that I want to bind a listener to. it's in the divider of a list and doesnt seem to be heard with the listtap event associated with the list. what can i bind a handler to? Nov 17 17:42:56 the button is in the list? Nov 17 17:43:02 so there's one in each list item? Nov 17 17:43:03 Is there a way to kick off the app catalog, and bring up a specific app? Nov 17 17:43:10 no its in the divider template Nov 17 17:43:28 lyht there is, hit the share button and send a share to yourself, it includes a url Nov 17 17:43:30 lyht: yeah, find the app, 'share' it via email, and that's your link Nov 17 17:43:52 bymers so your button is in the list divider template? Nov 17 17:43:58 it won't work in the emulator :D Nov 17 17:44:21 usually you set a listener to the list and have your handle code get the original object. Nov 17 17:44:22 Rick: yes it is. Nov 17 17:44:37 i got that doing something else and it works. Nov 17 17:44:50 i tried looking for a div on that tap but it's not there. Nov 17 18:06:37 i swear people find the dumbest things to bitch about Nov 17 18:06:38 lol Nov 17 18:09:03 atlanta, no doubt. give people a forum to talk, and they feel they must do so, even if they have nothing important to say. Nov 17 18:09:14 indeed Nov 17 18:09:28 numerous threads of idiots saying dont upgrade to 1.3.1 lool Nov 17 18:09:34 lol** Nov 17 18:09:41 they didnt read the REMOVE PATCHES warning Nov 17 18:10:28 atlanta: and THIS is why Yule Log exists Nov 17 18:10:41 what does it do Nov 17 18:10:42 ? Nov 17 18:10:47 nothing Nov 17 18:10:53 it plays a gif and a sound loop Nov 17 18:10:58 4.3K downloads Nov 17 18:11:04 :-) Nov 17 18:11:05 ads right Nov 17 18:11:08 I've made $5 in ad revenue Nov 17 18:11:09 yep Nov 17 18:11:18 so going pretty good Nov 17 18:11:25 which one did u pick for it again Nov 17 18:11:26 Perhaps an idiot-proofing service could be written to auto-run the EPR tool when an update process is detected. Nov 17 18:11:30 yeah, so far...working on a better system Nov 17 18:11:41 I'm using Quattro Wireless atm Nov 17 18:11:45 oh ok cool Nov 17 18:11:59 new management system I'm working on will let me switch networks on the fly withut re-spinning apps Nov 17 18:12:02 trying to wait for these palm guys to email me back about the app catalog Nov 17 18:12:07 it's going to be sweet Nov 17 18:12:13 NICE Nov 17 18:12:15 your the man Nov 17 18:12:24 i seen some the framework u had in yule log Nov 17 18:12:34 yeah, don't look too deeply there ;) Nov 17 18:12:40 :-) Nov 17 18:12:52 sloppy, but it works Nov 17 18:13:23 I cracked the 'instantiate a remote WebView after scene setup' problem yesterday Nov 17 18:13:25 life is good Nov 17 18:15:36 and.. there's this week's "why do we have to pay for apps when we paid for the phone?" comment. Nov 17 18:17:46 Yah! I spent a bunch of money on this computer, why should I have to pay for programs too??? Nov 17 18:18:23 that's where opensource comes in Nov 17 18:18:29 for both your computer and your pre. Nov 17 18:19:01 if you're willing to spend time instead of money, it's an option. Nov 17 18:26:09 did we get anywhere with the shazam talk last night? Nov 17 18:41:58 zsoc_wirc: what kinda shazam talk Nov 17 18:42:24 oh... just a brainstorm Nov 17 18:42:59 oh of the possibilities Nov 17 18:43:05 when mic api comes out Nov 17 18:43:05 ? Nov 17 18:44:15 someone posted a method to get to the mic Nov 17 18:44:44 using gstream Nov 17 18:44:45 ? Nov 17 18:44:47 Pre101 found some audio fingerprint OS out there Nov 17 18:45:09 we left it to you to finish up.. Nov 17 18:45:16 where's the beta? Nov 17 18:46:35 who me Nov 17 18:46:35 ? Nov 17 18:46:47 yes.. Nov 17 18:46:54 wheres the info Nov 17 18:46:54 ? Nov 17 18:47:09 Roy-Pre101: where are u Nov 17 18:49:19 bmyers, service is in webos-internals git <- mic api Nov 17 18:51:49 lets see Nov 17 18:52:37 i see the video recorder Nov 17 18:53:12 i havent looked there yet.. Nov 17 18:53:35 http://github.com/Dremel/Twipper Nov 17 18:53:56 if anyone is interested in contributing.. ^^^^ Nov 17 18:54:50 atlanta: 'see' it where? Nov 17 18:55:16 oh.. you can use the gstservice to access the mic Nov 17 18:55:19 sorry, I'm slow Nov 17 18:58:07 lhyt: I see you updated your magic 8 ball, nice Nov 17 18:58:35 lhyt: I submitted mine to the app catalog last week, we'll see when it gets accepted... Nov 17 18:59:04 yah, still getting the marketing code in there for my other apps, but I wanted to push it to homebrew to see if there were any problems. I will be interested to see yours when it shows up. Nov 17 18:59:41 any word on switcharoo? Nov 17 18:59:48 nope. nuthin. Nov 17 19:00:00 lame... Nov 17 19:00:08 makes my heart sad every single day. :( Nov 17 19:00:16 how long ago did you submit the newest version? Nov 17 19:00:16 lol Nov 17 19:00:25 I have 2 in there waiting... Nov 17 19:01:27 I had to do an update a week ago to put a menu on the help screen, and it has been "Being reviewed" ever since 11-10 Nov 17 19:02:10 I'm still waiting on getting developer access granted to me (was supposed to happen yesterday). :-\ Nov 17 19:02:24 bryanroth, sad story. Nov 17 19:02:48 I think the whole pixie/1.3.1 had them pretty busy... Nov 17 19:02:50 yo, does anyone know if Prototype allows for persistance connections? Nov 17 19:03:02 ajax connections, i should say Nov 17 19:03:26 lyht: ... Nov 17 19:03:59 lyht: you being facetious? Nov 17 19:04:19 is there any way to send stuff up to shazam Nov 17 19:04:19 ? Nov 17 19:04:51 atlanta: send stuff up? you mean tell them to hurry up and make an app? Nov 17 19:05:00 nope. It is always crappy to have to wait to even get started. Nov 17 19:05:43 lyht: indeed, it's been a very looooong process Nov 17 19:06:13 gothvcas Nov 17 19:06:17 i forgot it was closed Nov 17 19:06:18 I hear yah. Every step seems to take forever... But what do you do. Nov 17 19:06:48 lyht: exactly, all you can do is...wait Nov 17 19:07:32 to rephrase my question, i wrote a python server that i can connect to. i need to POST many small requests to it, but python eventually complains of a maximum number of clients. can i somehow just keep one of those requests open and then send info through it? Nov 17 19:07:33 ack Nov 17 19:07:49 so what's the deal on the GPU? is there not a good way for html/css/js to harness a GPU? Is it really just sitting there completely unused? thoughts? Nov 17 19:07:59 qwan Nov 17 19:08:25 natenrb9: what do you want to know? palm has the specs from TI. we don't. can't use it. that's it Nov 17 19:08:32 * mobgod needs a drink Nov 17 19:08:45 * bryanroth ditto Nov 17 19:08:53 zsoc_wirc: why isn't the base OS not using it at all? Nov 17 19:09:37 do they need the WebGL to be finished to be able to use it? Nov 17 19:11:07 they need the drivers Nov 17 19:11:09 so in a sense yea Nov 17 19:11:57 is it really completely unused right now? Nov 17 19:13:08 yup Nov 17 19:13:20 crazy... Nov 17 19:13:38 besides the browser are there any other multi stage apps on the pre? Nov 17 19:13:52 email Nov 17 19:14:08 and messenger Nov 17 19:14:09 damn Nov 17 19:14:33 so all multistage apps currently on the pre just happen to also be headless/background apps Nov 17 19:14:34 :( Nov 17 19:14:41 yup yu Nov 17 19:15:02 has anyone emailed shazam about an app Nov 17 19:15:09 i guess palm has no intention of supporting/having multi stage apps that dont want to be headless Nov 17 19:15:27 bmyers: gonna make an app for it tonight Nov 17 19:15:49 apparently people ave emailed shazam in the past, but asking for a full app, not just an api Nov 17 19:16:21 when yea an app i mean Nov 17 19:16:25 well** Nov 17 19:16:34 imma create a voice recorder tonight Nov 17 19:16:35 PuffTheMagic: quantify multi stage? Nov 17 19:16:58 more than 1 stage? Nov 17 19:17:30 ha! Nov 17 19:17:31 atlanta: technically gstservice but it would mux it wrong, if you want .wav or .mp3 I need to add another property to the service Nov 17 19:17:40 PuffTheMagic: like abstraction-layer wise? Nov 17 19:18:52 zsoc_wirc: oh so it just wont do sole audio recordering Nov 17 19:19:00 that and u cant write files.. Nov 17 19:19:08 zsoc_wirc: idk what u are talking about nw Nov 17 19:19:21 bmyers: you can write flies Nov 17 19:19:32 how? Nov 17 19:19:37 zsoc_wirc, he is referring to apps that kick up more than one card... each card is called a stage. Nov 17 19:19:45 gst-streamer will write the audio to /media/internal Nov 17 19:19:57 o Nov 17 19:20:11 im running through the java code jason through up Nov 17 19:20:26 have they added the video function yet ? Nov 17 19:20:44 yea video is there but im not sure what zsoc_wirc means about mux and crap Nov 17 19:20:46 in the new update Nov 17 19:20:52 what new updat Nov 17 19:20:52 e? Nov 17 19:20:54 1.3.1? Nov 17 19:20:56 no Nov 17 19:21:14 yea 1.3.1 Nov 17 19:21:16 zsoc_wirc: multistage apps == apps with more than one card Nov 17 19:21:22 zsoc_wirc: like the e-mail app Nov 17 19:21:29 mobgod: nope Nov 17 19:21:33 zsoc_wirc: terminal and wIRC are also multistage Nov 17 19:21:34 but the guys have created a service Nov 17 19:21:54 zsoc_wirc: butt ever since 1.3.1 multi stage apps done close down completly when you close all the cards Nov 17 19:22:01 they stay backgrounded Nov 17 19:22:03 that utilizes gst-streamer to do the recording Nov 17 19:22:25 where can that be found atlanta Nov 17 19:22:25 PuffTheMagic, really... Nov 17 19:22:29 i didn't know. Nov 17 19:22:35 PuffTheMagic: cant u do a call to see which stages are open within the app Nov 17 19:22:37 ? Nov 17 19:22:46 mobgod: in webos-internals git Nov 17 19:23:00 atlanta: i think u need to be a com.palm app to use the applicationManager service Nov 17 19:23:07 The problem is, how do you completely close your app. Nov 17 19:23:08 atlanta: i could have wIRCd do it though Nov 17 19:23:11 but that seems like a hack Nov 17 19:23:19 yea Nov 17 19:23:21 i feel you Nov 17 19:23:21 lyht: thats what our problem is right now Nov 17 19:23:55 atlanta: where ? Nov 17 19:24:26 I've had that problem for some time with switcharoo. but before it was when the app got opened in the background. It would completely close when you opened the app manually to change the settings. But now I guess it wont even do that. Nov 17 19:24:43 And no one seems to know a programatic way to close your app, Nov 17 19:24:48 PuffTheMagic, the not closing thing happened in 1.2.1 for me as well from time to time Nov 17 19:24:57 if it doesn't close automatically by closing the stages. Nov 17 19:25:02 mobgod: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/gstservice.git;a=summary Nov 17 19:25:22 egaudet_work: i dont think i noticed it in 1.2.1 Nov 17 19:27:00 atlanta: may I msg you ? Nov 17 19:28:56 sure Nov 17 19:30:18 zsoc_wirc: what did u mean Nov 17 19:31:20 atlanta, is the gui in GIT yet? Nov 17 19:32:45 nope Nov 17 19:32:48 gui not created yet Nov 17 19:32:52 thats what im going to do Nov 17 19:33:20 mr zsoc_wirc left the building so when he gets back ill have talks with him about it Nov 17 19:33:36 that was weird. Just watching Switcharoo in palm-worm. And the first time it closed when I closed the card. The second time it didnt Nov 17 19:39:42 PuffTheMagic, I dont even open multiple cards. But for whatever reason, because I am using the app-assistant to "createStageWithCallback" it no longer completely closes the app... still sitting there with nodes, using up memory. Nov 17 19:40:08 sorry I'm at work, 1 min Nov 17 19:41:15 no problem Nov 17 19:41:33 lyht: maybe something u can stop in the exit of the card Nov 17 19:41:33 ? Nov 17 19:42:14 atlanta, yah, but what? What call exists to close the app? Nov 17 19:42:32 maybe u have to stop something ill look through some stuff Nov 17 19:43:36 lyht: try running .cancel() on the callback object Nov 17 19:44:47 sheesh, wirc dark theme defaults to black text = unreadable Nov 17 19:45:57 Roy-Pre101-wirc: we havent implemented different color schemes per theme yet Nov 17 19:46:31 tootsie roll? anybody? Nov 17 19:46:54 might be good to default to light at first, then. Nov 17 19:47:44 doesnt it? Nov 17 19:47:51 PuffTheMagic, I will play with that, but I doubt that will fix anything: Nov 17 19:48:17 Just read on the website about noWindow apps: Nov 17 19:48:17 Create a stage that runs in the background. Nov 17 19:48:17 Applications with an application assistant and multiple stages need this setting to initially launch as a background application, and then create their own stages. Nov 17 19:48:36 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1794 Nov 17 19:50:29 dunno, maybe that's the only setting it preserved. Nov 17 19:55:50 could someone with a 1.3.1 phone tell me if card ace and word ace show up in the app catalog? Nov 17 19:56:13 PuffTheMagic, I thought I knew what you were talking about, but I dont. What is the callback object? I am only aware of a callback function that gets passed to createStageWithCallback Nov 17 19:57:16 incidentist, yes it does Nov 17 19:57:29 its been there since yesterday Nov 17 19:57:34 incidentist, yup Nov 17 19:57:49 en0x, lyht: thanks. it's not showing up on mine Nov 17 19:58:15 your total cound is ~260? Nov 17 19:58:25 (cound = count) Nov 17 19:58:30 atlanta: what I mean is, the current audio api will mux your audio into an .mp4 or .3gp container. this is probably undesired for an audio recorder Nov 17 19:58:51 272 Nov 17 19:58:59 i read about this in a thread on precentral Nov 17 19:59:04 about the container thing Nov 17 19:59:04 zsoc_wirc: what is the normally desired ? Nov 17 19:59:04 :p Nov 17 19:59:55 atlanta: I could write an additional api for the service, but honestly once I do that i'll have a working audio recorder in my app Nov 17 20:00:10 atlanta: probably .mp3 or .wav? Nov 17 20:00:24 oh ok Nov 17 20:00:33 nevermind i asked a dumb question Nov 17 20:00:34 lol Nov 17 20:00:45 im looking at mp4 thinking its mp3 Nov 17 20:00:47 incidentist, my total count is 383 Nov 17 20:01:18 it may be that i'm still running the 1.3.1 sdk Nov 17 20:01:31 incidentist: Doesn't show on mine, either. Nov 17 20:01:48 Roy-Pre101: are you running the sdk on your phone? Nov 17 20:02:02 Although, oddly, it will update through the Update app. The pre-release? yes. Nov 17 20:02:05 honestly, you MIGHT to able to just change the file extension after the fact, I mean it'l already be wav/mp3 encoded... Nov 17 20:02:12 /quit Nov 17 20:03:29 how does one upgrade from the pre-release to the release, I wonder. Nov 17 20:04:21 Download the new webOS Doctor and reflash I guess. Nov 17 20:04:26 Kind of a pisser, if you ask me. Nov 17 20:05:17 i thought they were the same Nov 17 20:05:18 a pisser, indeed Nov 17 20:05:22 pre-release vs release? Nov 17 20:05:42 sugardave, Mind Master got an update today. How long did it take rom when you submitted it? Nov 17 20:06:23 datafirm: i thought so too, but my apps seem to show up in the release catalog but not the pre-release catalog Nov 17 20:06:36 I see a few that are being updated pretty frequently Nov 17 20:06:46 incidentist: strange. maybe its just server issue? Nov 17 20:06:48 while a few of ours wait weeks Nov 17 20:07:06 Im going to stick with my 1.3.1 build. I dont want to re-doctor.. :-/ Nov 17 20:07:07 datafirm: it better be! Nov 17 20:07:11 lemketron: You know anything about this issue we're having where pre-release flashed phones can't see the new apps in the catalog? Nov 17 20:07:28 Is there any way to force it to do the OTA update? Nov 17 20:07:34 lyht: i miss understood what you were saying before Nov 17 20:07:34 if you click on version in Device Info, what do you get? Nov 17 20:07:37 Im at 194 Nov 17 20:07:41 Roy-Pre101: it's weird, because i can see new apps, just not the ones i'm hoping to see Nov 17 20:07:43 1.3.1 build 194 Nov 17 20:08:05 incidentist: My total # of apps is below 300 Nov 17 20:08:10 ditto Nov 17 20:08:26 ditto on both counts Nov 17 20:08:30 Build 194 Nov 17 20:08:33 speaking of 1.3.1 and seeing the right apps, is it the case that when Europe takes on 1.3.1 later this month (or so the rumour goes), we will also get paid apps? Nov 17 20:09:57 sos_: Unlikely. Nov 17 20:10:13 Roy-Pre101: i'm not even seeing a 1.3.1 doctor for the general public. the one that's available is still 1.2.1 it says Nov 17 20:10:29 Hmm... Nov 17 20:10:39 Adora: You there? Nov 17 20:11:01 is there any e.t.a. on paid apps in Europe? Even a rough estimate? Nov 17 20:12:48 I really have no clue, sos_. That may be imminent. Nov 17 20:14:28 Roy-Pre101: thanks Nov 17 20:14:57 Crap. I seem to have a new problem with 1.3.1 that I didn't see before. My open service handles just keeps climbing and climbing. Is there a way to close the request on success or failure? Nov 17 20:14:59 en0x, lyht: what is the build # for webOS 1.3.1 proper on your phones? mine is 194 Nov 17 20:15:30 idk i would have to check Nov 17 20:15:31 194 Nov 17 20:15:36 lyht: that's from me trying to fix the wrong screenshots problem. I submitted that metadata update on Saturday. Nov 17 20:16:09 anyway where do u check the build #? Nov 17 20:16:10 sugardave, mmm, so I wonder if a metadata update is faster than a full update... Nov 17 20:16:18 en0x, device info Nov 17 20:16:18 nvm got it Nov 17 20:16:22 incidentist, 194 Nov 17 20:16:31 supposed to be, but you can't update the ipk in a metadata update Nov 17 20:17:57 right Nov 17 20:18:26 lyht, en0x: thanks. puzzling. Nov 17 20:19:41 So, I realize I have limited understanding when it comes to javascript memory management. What does this mean? "When using a service request object, you are responsible for managing the object and destroying it when it is no longer needed." How do I destroy it other than this.object = null? Nov 17 20:20:57 lyht: i think that's basically what it means. Nov 17 20:21:34 but that doesn't seem to work. At least my "Open Service Handles Nov 17 20:21:44 " seem to keep climbing. Nov 17 20:22:34 hmm. do they have a close() method? what if you do Object.keys(requestObject)? Nov 17 20:22:58 IDK. Let me see. Nov 17 20:23:33 * zsoc_wirc pokes Roy-Pre101 Nov 17 20:26:33 Hmm, what'd I miss? Nov 17 20:26:53 zsoc_wirc: Hey, how goes? Nov 17 20:28:49 incidentist, no close. There is a cancel... but that doesn't seem right. Nov 17 20:28:53 options,success,complete,loggingEnabled,requestOptions,onFailure,parameters,response,fullUrl,reqObject,cancelled,parseJSON,parseWithPrototype,log,failed,doRequest,request,cancel,kResubscribeDelayMin,kResubscribeDelayRandom Nov 17 20:29:15 my I should look at reqObject. Nov 17 20:29:37 lyht: Are you seeing the issue that sugardave was having? Or is this something else? Nov 17 20:29:50 I dont know. What was he seeing? Nov 17 20:34:15 lyht: how about delete(object); Nov 17 20:34:16 ? Nov 17 20:34:42 Roy-Pre101: this is different, service requests Nov 17 20:34:49 Roy-Pre101, my problem is the service handles dont get cleaned up because I am using Mojo.Service.Request()... So my count of requests keeps climbing. I would think that a repeated call this.service = new Mojo... would make it so the previous one would no longer be referenced, and garbage collection would get it. Nov 17 20:34:54 Ah. Nov 17 20:34:57 sugardave, I will play. Nov 17 20:35:35 THIS IS NO TIME FOR PLAYING! Nov 17 20:35:44 what widget is that "switcher buttons" that you have on the bottom of the callendar app? Nov 17 20:35:47 serious business Nov 17 20:35:55 hahah Nov 17 20:37:55 crap. showed up @ serious business time. Nov 17 20:38:33 whoohoo. 1.3.1 now give a filename and line number of JS exceptions. Awesome. Nov 17 20:39:58 Is Adora here Nov 17 20:41:46 lyht: you said you are using the app assistant right? Nov 17 20:41:53 PuffTheMagic, yes. Nov 17 20:42:05 lyht: and using multiple cards? Nov 17 20:42:05 bah, hard to test cloud stuff when my host's mysql server is down Nov 17 20:42:13 no. Just one. Nov 17 20:42:23 lyht: do you have noWindow set to true of false? Nov 17 20:42:28 true Nov 17 20:42:35 ahhh Nov 17 20:42:42 yeah u cheat like us Nov 17 20:42:56 i cant figure out how to use app-assistant and noWindow:false Nov 17 20:43:05 it always makes a blank scene Nov 17 20:43:09 s/scene/stage Nov 17 20:43:26 Well... I have to. Cause my app can also get called in the background. Nov 17 20:43:46 But, I think if you are doing multi-stage, you are supposed to say noWindow = false/ Nov 17 20:44:26 well what about non-background apps that want to use multiple cards ;) Nov 17 20:44:52 I think it is still the same. Nov 17 20:45:12 check out: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1794 Nov 17 20:45:24 naa noWIndow:false keeps a hidden stage around Nov 17 20:45:34 look for "Table: Stage Properties " Nov 17 20:46:41 yes I see that, but it makes no sense Nov 17 20:47:13 well... I agree that I dont understand the reason for the background stage. Nov 17 20:47:25 unless there must be SOME stage, no matter what. Nov 17 20:47:46 and if you want full control over the stages, then maybe it has to create a background one. Nov 17 20:48:25 so how do i make a background stage self destruct Nov 17 20:48:26 ;) Nov 17 20:48:32 it looks like no matter what, a stage is created Nov 17 20:48:33 And really I am fine with all that, if there was an easy way to make it close. Nov 17 20:48:59 didn't they answer this in the forum the other day, what is the default stage name? Nov 17 20:50:01 Roy-Pre101: wat's up? sorry I'm in and out of meetings Nov 17 20:50:35 sugardave, I dont know. Can you find it? Nov 17 20:53:15 the stageController needs a .getStages() Nov 17 20:54:26 Roy-Pre101 / Pre101: how's the work going? Nov 17 20:54:41 there is a closeAllStages() but it doesn't. Nov 17 20:55:10 zsoc_wirc: Slowly! But I have the basic shape set, getting it implemented. Nov 17 20:56:14 Pre101: nice :) like I said don't feel obligated to go farther than you have time for. I have some other resources. faster it gets to the git, more hands in the pot :) Nov 17 20:56:50 Right. I'll ship you something shortly, I hope. I have some higher-priorty stuff that has to get done Nov 17 21:04:45 Pre101: that I totally understand Nov 17 21:04:52 stupid. CloseAllStages will close the visible ones, but that pesky background stage is still back there. Nov 17 21:07:39 is there a reverse of setupWidget? like a destroy? Nov 17 21:08:25 widget = null? Nov 17 21:08:51 PuffTheMagic, I may have it. I read it before, but didn't think it applied. window.close() seems to close out the entire app. Nov 17 21:09:21 doing further testing to see what it is doing and if it causes other problems. Nov 17 21:15:53 rwhitby: ping Nov 17 21:15:58 woops.. wrong channel Nov 17 21:19:57 how do you read a local file to string in webos? A blah.csv file for example in the application root Nov 17 21:20:13 PuffTheMagic, It seems to work. I put a "window.close();" in the cleanup of my main assistant, and the app closes completely. I also needed to put it in the code that kicks the app of in the background, but now it seems everything is grand. Plus it solves my other problem of closing out the service handles. Nov 17 21:20:14 Ajax.Request Nov 17 21:22:16 so what would be the url for the ajax.request? Nov 17 21:22:45 file://blah.csv or file://some/unkown/path/blah.csv Nov 17 21:24:43 Arrg. Any CSS guru's about? Nov 17 21:25:43 Having a problem where an image appears to be aligning to the top of the text beside it. I want it to be aligned differently. It's loooking like the images are above and to the right of the text instead of to the right. Nov 17 21:26:10 I tried using a style of vertical-align: text-bottom Nov 17 21:26:55 Roy-Pre101: what selector are you using for vertical-align, and are your images inline? Nov 17 21:27:34 They're inline... ohhhh... Nov 17 21:27:35 Roy-Pre101: #css ? Nov 17 21:27:37 I did it wrong. Nov 17 21:27:50 I did .img. The selector isn't . for a tag, is it? Nov 17 21:27:56 no Nov 17 21:28:10 without the ., right? Nov 17 21:28:27 yeah, img {vertical-align: whatever; } Nov 17 21:28:47 Hmm... That didn't fix it either. Nov 17 21:29:13 well, i was going to say, make sure the vertical-align is set to the img tag, not its container. sounds like you're doing that though Nov 17 21:29:18 .rating-box img { Nov 17 21:29:18 { Nov 17 21:29:18 vertical-align:text-bottom; Nov 17 21:29:18 } Nov 17 21:29:25 ? Nov 17 21:29:31 hello Nov 17 21:29:49 does anyone know how to succesffully access/change the playbackRate parameter for the audio/media object?? Nov 17 21:30:36 so yah is there a opposite of setupWidget? cause when a user starts a new game my code rebuilds everything but doesnt dispose of the old widgets, and according to palm-worm it keeps increasing the dom nodes cause of this Nov 17 21:31:25 Move the creation outside of activate. Nov 17 21:31:42 it is Nov 17 21:32:09 Don't call it again. Nov 17 21:32:09 newGame() generates new html as well as new setupWidget calls Nov 17 21:32:20 i have to since the html changes, even tho they have the same id Nov 17 21:32:48 i just tried that workaround heh only calling the setupWidget portion once during initial startup Nov 17 21:37:52 lyht: i figured out a fix Nov 17 21:37:57 lyht: this.controller.closeAllStages(); Nov 17 21:38:04 lyht: i put that in AppController cleanup() Nov 17 21:40:15 that wouldn't kill it for me. Still seemed to leave the background stage. Nov 17 21:40:33 although I didn't try it in the appController cleanup. Nov 17 21:40:47 New blog post out: Zombie Invasion (or "I'm Going to Eat Your Braaains") Nov 17 21:41:00 http://pre101.com/blog/2009/11/17/zombie-invasion-or-im-going-to-eat-your-braaains/ Nov 17 21:41:17 But how is the appController.cleanup even getting called? Nov 17 21:41:17 lyht: i can confirm its not running by looking at luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/running {} Nov 17 21:41:22 incidentist: Can you look at the rating box there? The stars float up too high but I can't fix it. Nov 17 21:41:40 lyht: seems like its getting called when the last visible card is closed Nov 17 21:43:23 and you are talking about your AppAssistant class, right? Nov 17 21:43:47 Roy-Pre101: Hadn't heard about that but it's entirely possible that you must re-flash with a production doctor after flashing a beta release. Nov 17 21:43:58 :( Nov 17 21:44:36 Could it have anything to do with the app catalog database? Nov 17 21:44:49 Any way to force that to rebuild? (The one on the phone, if there is one) Nov 17 21:44:52 you're seeing the catalog but not all of the apps? Nov 17 21:45:00 yep. incidentist has the same issue. Nov 17 21:45:19 might ask chuq what's different about the apps you're not seeing Nov 17 21:45:41 they may have a "minimum build" tag or something, though I would've thought it would just be the OS release version (1.3.1) Nov 17 21:46:03 (or carrier, country, device, etc.) Nov 17 21:46:21 we just got an email from a user who isn't seeing our apps Nov 17 21:46:24 the phones show same build # as released versions Nov 17 21:46:39 Is it true that there's a bug on the pixi with EVDO? Nov 17 21:46:40 yep, card ace and word ace are ones that don't show for me. Nov 17 21:46:57 I show 272 apps now. Nov 17 21:47:05 It may not be the OS version that's causing it; might be a difference between the beta doctor and the release one Nov 17 21:47:10 PuffTheMagic, my AppAssistant.cleanup() doesn't get called when I close the card. Nov 17 21:47:20 where can you view output from Mojo.log? Nov 17 21:47:30 hugoshi, what bug? Nov 17 21:47:56 m55 palml-log com.domain.app.appname -f from command line. Nov 17 21:48:06 Does anyone know if it's possible to change the playbackRate of an Audio or Media element?? Nov 17 21:48:06 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/214690-bug-evdo-induced-freezing-lag.html Nov 17 21:48:15 lyht: i didnt think it was either, but we had a alert('AppAssistant#cleanup'); in the cleanup and i see it get called in /var/log/messages when run on the emu Nov 17 21:48:20 lyht: so i know it was getting called Nov 17 21:48:50 I don't have a pixi so i have no idea but I can't believe that would make it past QA Nov 17 21:49:10 and if it did that is really terrible Nov 17 21:49:41 hugoshi, interesting... hadn't read that before. Nov 17 21:50:01 PuffTheMagic, Got a log in my cleanup, and it is not showing up. And my app is not closing. Nov 17 21:50:03 :P Nov 17 21:50:14 Roy-Pre101: I'm showing 383 apps, card ace & word ace both show for me, and I used the beta webos dr. Nov 17 21:50:26 drnull1: Hmm... Nov 17 21:50:53 Roy-Pre101: you also need to get rid of the margins on those stars Nov 17 21:51:06 from div.post-body img Nov 17 21:51:22 Ahhhhhhhh Nov 17 21:51:27 incidentist: genius! Nov 17 21:51:30 Roy-Pre101: the first few days after I dr'ed, though, it was showing fewer apps (263 or something?) Then, through no change of my own, the number went up Nov 17 21:51:44 app catalog servers are haunted Nov 17 21:52:02 they have the ghosts of my old screenshots cropping up everywhere Nov 17 21:52:59 Speaking of screenshots... (ok, I'm reaching, I know) could any palm folks comment on https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=3276 Nov 17 21:53:01 lyht: it does not seem to work on the pre Nov 17 21:53:06 lyht: but it does work on the emu Nov 17 21:53:13 really? nifty! Nov 17 21:53:17 Roy-Pre101: I've sent off a request to several people to try to figure out what's going on. Nov 17 21:53:23 PuffTheMagic, I haven' Nov 17 21:53:26 (gotta go get something to eat; will be back later) Nov 17 21:53:27 lemketron: Thank you! Nov 17 21:53:31 tried window.close yet on the pre. Nov 17 21:53:34 I will Nov 17 21:53:39 \quit Nov 17 21:53:41 i wond think it will work Nov 17 21:53:50 s/wond/dont/ Nov 17 21:54:31 Roy-Pre101: also when I said I was eclipse/js/mojo illiterate... i'm ok with css :) Nov 17 21:54:33 PuffTheMagic, is cleanup even being called on the pre? Nov 17 21:54:47 incidentist: Hmm, still not getting it... Nov 17 21:54:55 lyht: well "it should be"... it does not appear to be Nov 17 21:54:57 zsoc_wirc: That's good to know Nov 17 21:55:04 nice Nov 17 21:55:10 I added margin: 0px; to that style I sent before. Nov 17 21:56:38 lyht: the emu has a much older build date of 1.3.1 Nov 17 21:56:38 I'll try using safari's web developer thing and see if I can find out what styles are still there. Nov 17 21:56:40 Goodbye Yule-Log (sorry sugardave) need room for more apps. Nov 17 21:56:45 lyht: than the pre Nov 17 21:58:05 lyht: damn ;P Nov 17 21:59:08 lyht: someone should compare the a doctor image of 1.3.1 and the emu 1.3.1 and see wtf broke Nov 17 21:59:42 PuffTheMagic, window.close() seemed to work on my pre. But again, I have it in the cleanup of first-assistant Nov 17 22:00:09 yeah assistant's cleanup get called no prob Nov 17 22:00:14 is the appcontroller we need to use Nov 17 22:00:19 if using multi cards Nov 17 22:00:48 Does anyone know if it's possible to change the playbackRate of an Audio or Media element?? Nov 17 22:01:12 MashM: no, we don't know of a way. Nov 17 22:03:29 PuffTheMagic, this is a total hack, but what if you had a callback to the appassistant that got kicked off on any of the cards closing, and if they are all closed, you kick of a full close Nov 17 22:05:48 I keep finding weird new stuff. Anyone notice that worm automatically shows all the current running stuff in the "applications" tab? Not just the app I am watching? So connecting it to the pre, I seem ipkgservice, preware and wirc all listed there, Nov 17 22:06:10 all apps that are multi-card and left a little background stage. Nov 17 22:06:58 (seem=see) Nov 17 22:10:19 * sugardave is still debugging in the stone age. Nov 17 22:12:21 OK, my style still isn't applying. Checking in Safari it doesn't even show my style as applying at all to the images. Nov 17 22:12:49 ok thank you, it seems like the media element was stripped down for webOS... Nov 17 22:13:01 MashM: is IS possible... in what context tho? Nov 17 22:13:47 well I'm playing a simple MP3, and I wish to change the playback rate, ie, the pitch of the sound... Nov 17 22:14:00 I can't seem to access or change the playbackRate parameter of the Media object Nov 17 22:15:11 MashM: what parameter are you referring to? MediaServer? Nov 17 22:16:32 I'm just confused by the api's your talking about, the two ways I know how to do it require additional binaries Nov 17 22:17:08 zsoc_wirc: in the HTML5 definition of the Media object, there are several parameters that don't seem to be instantiated when you create a Audio() object for webOS, ie this.audio1 = new Audio(), then try to access this.audio1.playbackRate returns undefined Nov 17 22:17:28 Palm doesn't necessarily implement the HTML5 media element completely Nov 17 22:17:29 yet Nov 17 22:17:55 there's a list of what you can do, I think Nov 17 22:18:02 zsoc_wirc: how would you recommend doing it? Do I stick to audio() objects? Nov 17 22:18:37 yeah I've seen the list, judging by the events in that list, you can't edit the playback rate... Nov 17 22:19:27 MashM: we're on different sides of development here :) the api's you're referring to currently are not implemented, sorry about the confusion Nov 17 22:19:34 MashM unless something was changed you cant Nov 17 22:19:56 ahh ok, thanks Nov 17 22:20:00 I have been working with the audio tags for a while Nov 17 22:20:13 I keep forgetting the focus of this channel is mojo apps :p Nov 17 22:20:23 :D Nov 17 22:20:29 * zsoc_wirc trots back to #-internals Nov 17 22:20:31 I'm new to web programming overall, I wish there was a low-level approach to designing apps :-) Nov 17 22:20:45 ah, it's because their reference is this: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-html5-20090212/video.html#audio and there is no playbackRate, that I see Nov 17 22:20:48 yeah I would have something similar already out with my original sound board project Nov 17 22:21:18 most likely that will need a system level api to do that Nov 17 22:21:36 like mijo.audio.changeplaybackrate which doesnt exist Nov 17 22:21:56 sugardave: there is a playbackRate parameter in the "Media Element" definitions... Nov 17 22:22:32 yeah, I was afraid so, thanks Nov 17 22:22:32 ah Nov 17 22:22:34 interesting Nov 17 22:22:34 missed that Nov 17 22:22:37 me too Nov 17 22:23:03 I have a working gstreamer element. I could implement it into gstservice, but since palm's media handlers are closed source, you's have to redevelop your interface. Nov 17 22:23:44 * CTLAdvance raises hand to ask a question @chuq Nov 17 22:23:48 hello Chuq Nov 17 22:24:24 chuqui: did you hear about the app issue some people were having? Nov 17 22:24:32 or if the ffmpeg service ever gets materialized.. it could be used to encode a temperary copy of the audio slower/faster and play that back Nov 17 22:24:52 chuqui - Do you know who may be responsible for imagecropview? Nov 17 22:24:53 catalog visibility? Nov 17 22:25:15 or if there is anyone on the palm dev team to discuss it with Nov 17 22:25:34 havent seen any documentation Nov 17 22:26:00 not offhand. send me an email, I'll send it to one of my DTS engineers and see what they know. Nov 17 22:26:09 thanks Nov 17 22:28:31 chuqui: Yes, that was it. Nov 17 22:29:30 yeah. very aware of it. has to do with phones flashed with the seeded 1.3.1 instead of the OTA update. Even though they're the same release. Nov 17 22:29:43 answer right now: reflash to 1.2.1, and OTA update to 1.3.1. Nov 17 22:30:01 interesting Nov 17 22:30:13 Does anyone think there would be a want or need in the community for an app that can transcode audio and video files into different formats? Nov 17 22:30:47 A couple of people had to do it twice (no idea why, but that's why this job is so much fun!) but it's solved things. I'm hoping we might solve this on the back end at some point. (five pages of weird geeky gunk here nobody would understand as to why this is happening) Nov 17 22:30:51 zsoc: from what I've been able to determine so far, any app you write, someone NEEDs...badly Nov 17 22:31:30 sugardave, i'm not sure how to take that from you :P I do not force-suppose my ideas on other people... Nov 17 22:31:47 at least you don't think so Nov 17 22:31:52 * zsoc makes the jedi mind trick hand wave Nov 17 22:32:01 I mean, the general you/we thang Nov 17 22:32:10 hehe Nov 17 22:33:01 Besides, I don't write apps. I fix backend issues, write specs, make other people write daemons, write api's for their daemons, and make someone else write an app Nov 17 22:33:04 sometimes i debug them :P Nov 17 22:35:23 hey, that sounds pretty good.... Nov 17 22:37:09 sugardave, what are you up to these days? Nov 17 22:38:24 well, right now I'm working on an "easy" ad management/insertion system for webOS developers that are, hmm...politely I'd say that they know less than me about all this programming stuff Nov 17 22:39:08 cloud system, register your ad info, drop a div and a .js in your app and you're ready for the big world of ad-supported apps Nov 17 22:39:17 hey sugar dave Nov 17 22:39:22 for hobbyists, would be a good way to put it Nov 17 22:39:35 you need to make your apps that have ads open them up in a webview div element :D Nov 17 22:39:49 every time they refresh Nov 17 22:39:50 ;) Nov 17 22:39:55 hahahaha Nov 17 22:39:57 sugardave, interesting. so we could all get 0.05 cents CPM? :) Nov 17 22:40:02 'CANCELED' Nov 17 22:40:16 'BLACKBALLED' Nov 17 22:40:33 what? Nov 17 22:40:37 your apps Nov 17 22:40:45 :{ Nov 17 22:41:06 * CTLAdvance stepping out be brb Nov 17 22:41:11 oy Nov 17 22:41:15 zsoc: I am like Switzerland, I do nothing with the ad networks themselves, other than provide an easy way to make the requests Nov 17 22:41:21 CTLAdvance: no, if I did what you were suggesting Nov 17 22:41:24 chuqui: Do you know if paid apps are coming to Europe any time soon (I asked this earlier but am not sure if the answer I got was from Palm or just rumour)? Nov 17 22:41:25 that's what would happen to me ;) Nov 17 22:41:49 Thats what I figured... thats why I havent done that Nov 17 22:42:09 zsoc: so, I will avoid any kind of cpm/ctr stuff...but I will track the clicks your users make so you can compare and keep the networks honest Nov 17 22:42:15 What? No pop-ups on the pre? ;) Nov 17 22:42:23 hehe Nov 17 22:42:30 sounds like a good idea, honestly Nov 17 22:42:45 i mean it's a terrible idea, but it's a great marketing idea. as long as you don't care at all. about anything. people... morals.. etc Nov 17 22:42:47 Paid apps are coming to europe. I don't have an exact date. I guess I could say "for some definition of soon", but then you'd hit me. Nov 17 22:42:50 could bank cash Nov 17 22:43:19 zsoc: hehehe, it would be all legit...not going to risk pissing them off with click fraud Nov 17 22:43:27 I'll make money on dev subscription to the service Nov 17 22:43:44 well, 1.3.1 is coming soon, so that'll be the technical barrier out of the way. I guess it just a matter of getting the store ready then Nov 17 22:43:49 thanks for the info Nov 17 23:01:01 sos_: 1.3.1 is already out Nov 17 23:01:27 PuffTheMagic, Europe. Nov 17 23:01:31 might not be where he is. Nov 17 23:04:58 o Nov 17 23:18:22 sugardave: maybe you can make a meter validator to keep PG&E honest too... :-) Nov 17 23:19:52 sugardave_away, you could consider starting an ad network, to link publishers (app creators) with advertisers willing to have CPC or straight % com ads. Nov 17 23:34:20 lemketron: they'd probably have me killed :D Nov 17 23:34:39 zsoc: baby steps...I have to finish the skeleton and learn a WHOLE bunch of other crap Nov 17 23:35:18 * sugardave ham-hands his way around programming tasks. Nov 17 23:38:08 (re: PG&E "SmartMeters" http://www.siliconvalley.com/news/ci_13774449 ) Nov 17 23:38:45 I searched and say "class-action lawsuit, monopoly" and knew I didn't need to read further ;) Nov 17 23:38:50 saw* Nov 18 00:03:58 hi Nov 18 00:04:51 i'm running the precomd novacom here and trying to use the PreWare installer.... the installer keeps claiming, novacom wasn't running... isn't this working yet? Nov 18 00:05:26 whoops - wrong irc channel .. Nov 18 00:05:31 try #webos-internals Nov 18 00:05:39 ok ;-) Nov 18 00:05:48 thx anywas ;-) Nov 18 00:05:54 no problem Nov 18 00:06:18 we're all one big happy family, anyway Nov 18 00:06:49 should i get my guitar? Nov 18 00:07:03 hrm i cant get stopListening to work, no errors are being spit out but it still listens after i call stopListen Nov 18 00:07:11 +ing Nov 18 00:08:14 Adora, yes, but I need to remember which channel I'm in. People here ask if something is possible, and I give them the developer answer, not realizing they are looking for an existing API to do it :P Nov 18 00:08:26 hehehe Nov 18 00:08:55 hey, if they're asking if it's POSSIBLE.. Nov 18 00:09:22 I got caught by that logic on my last tweet Nov 18 00:09:36 asking if some computer appliance was hackable Nov 18 00:10:07 someone replied "of course, all computers are hackable with time and effort" Nov 18 00:10:18 * Adora facepalm Nov 18 00:12:03 Adora, around the meeting table, does the topic of developer feedback concerning the SDK documentation ever come up? Nov 18 00:12:58 when one finds errors in the docs, there is no real method to report . Nov 18 00:13:50 bmyers: developer feedback is definitely a priority Nov 18 00:14:07 chuqui: what's the best way to report it? Nov 18 00:14:45 post it to the forum. if I don't ack it, email or otherwise poke me with the URL. I'll file it as a bug. Nov 18 00:15:41 Adora: go away Nov 18 00:15:51 dBsooner-work: ok Nov 18 00:15:55 :D Nov 18 00:15:58 * Adora goes to dbSooner's mom's house Nov 18 00:16:07 Scary! Nov 18 00:16:11 hahaha Nov 18 00:18:52 -list Nov 18 00:23:35 will do thx! Nov 18 00:34:41 Still looking for help on this one: i got a div with a button background that I want to bind a listener to. it's in the divider of a list and doesnt seem to be heard with the listtap event associated with the list. what can i bind a handler to? Nov 18 00:38:22 I didnt know the palm team makes house calls Nov 18 00:43:57 Well hello! Nov 18 00:47:17 hey atlanta in FLA.. Nov 18 00:53:48 woooot Nov 18 00:53:55 fixed a big resource leak ;D Nov 18 00:55:37 Lolwsupp Nov 18 00:55:45 bmyers: what you doin Nov 18 00:56:55 palm-worm is very very helpful even if it doesnt give much info Nov 18 00:58:05 Oh really Nov 18 00:58:17 yah Nov 18 00:58:32 found out my listeners werent being stopped, so they just kept piling up Nov 18 00:58:57 since a new game creates new listeners (and now kills off the old) Nov 18 00:59:23 DIE DIE! Nov 18 00:59:43 dawn was your app really slowing the device down Nov 18 00:59:47 no Nov 18 00:59:50 was just something i noticed Nov 18 01:00:03 but im sure if you sat there playing it for an hour it would eventually Nov 18 01:00:17 the DOM nodes just kept increasing Nov 18 01:00:17 is your game in the cat? Nov 18 01:00:24 yep Nov 18 01:00:26 a really really old version Nov 18 01:00:34 Which? Nov 18 01:00:39 PreJeweled Nov 18 01:00:48 ah nice Nov 18 01:01:42 well not THE app catalog, but precentrals app catalog Nov 18 01:01:59 man.. the current version is way more optimized than the one i sent in on friday :( Nov 18 01:02:17 lol. seeing "is your game in the cat?" without context produces a wtf moment. :) Nov 18 01:02:24 lol Nov 18 01:02:32 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/prejeweled Nov 18 01:02:38 sooo old Nov 18 01:03:32 lol Nov 18 01:03:39 Yeah I know what you mean Nov 18 01:04:57 i stopped working on it aug 24th, and then picked back up nov 8th.. so much time wasted Nov 18 01:06:12 What have you been doing? Nov 18 01:06:19 ;) Nov 18 01:06:42 girlfriend,being lazy, house hunting, working, playing video games Nov 18 01:07:08 I was kidding but ok :) Nov 18 01:07:14 MW2 Nov 18 01:07:25 Lol Nov 18 01:07:50 What system you got it on? Nov 18 01:08:34 atlanta. i am trying to place a button in a collaspable list divider Nov 18 01:09:08 You mean like an up and down arrow?. Nov 18 01:09:33 sort of. got one of those too Nov 18 01:09:40 what system do I have what on? Nov 18 01:09:43 Oh ok Nov 18 01:09:44 just a button to puch another scene Nov 18 01:09:50 Mw2 Nov 18 01:09:53 just a button to push another scene Nov 18 01:10:10 CTLAdvance-work: MW2 Nov 18 01:10:15 Dont have it yet, going to pick up an xbox 360 one of these days Nov 18 01:10:30 Awww ok Nov 18 01:10:36 PS3 FTW! Nov 18 01:10:36 Why you? Nov 18 01:10:56 Nah if I bought a PS3 it would die just after the warranty wore off Nov 18 01:11:10 Ps3 Nov 18 01:11:12 SONY FT... FAIL Nov 18 01:11:31 Got it for the bluray then mw2 came out Nov 18 01:11:38 So I was like aww why not Nov 18 01:11:42 SOny always die on me just after the warranty period, so I stopped buying sony stuff Nov 18 01:11:52 Yeah why not Nov 18 01:12:10 might as well use it if you have it! Nov 18 01:12:13 my old ps2 is still going strong Nov 18 01:12:19 Nice Nov 18 01:12:35 We went through about 9 or 10 of them before I said something is wrong Nov 18 01:12:58 I guess must have been luck of the draw Nov 18 01:13:20 u got crappy luck... :p Nov 18 01:13:40 apparently with sony stuff yeah Nov 18 01:13:49 oy Nov 18 01:14:01 so much money wasted there, but oh well Nov 18 01:14:23 look at it like a mental health investment.. Nov 18 01:14:28 CTLAdvance-work: that same thing happens to everyone I know with dells lol Nov 18 01:14:43 Yeah right, as in pay to go F**king crazy Nov 18 01:15:00 well ill buy the xbox 360 and prob get a red ring of doom Nov 18 01:15:35 at least they cover that under the *we fd up clause Nov 18 01:16:14 How do you push a scene from within a scene? Nov 18 01:16:18 this.controller.stageController.pushScene("Detail",event.item); doesn't work Nov 18 01:16:29 I get Cannot read property 'stageController' Nov 18 01:16:44 Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene("VIEW"); Nov 18 01:16:47 works for us Nov 18 01:18:55 VIEW would be the name of your scene Nov 18 01:19:27 Ok back to my cisco work Nov 18 01:19:28 Bbl Nov 18 01:19:36 later Nov 18 01:19:39 thanks it works Nov 18 01:19:43 Nice Nov 18 01:19:50 That will be 5 bucks Nov 18 01:19:53 ;) Nov 18 01:26:27 I just deleted 3-4mb of apps on my personal pre Nov 18 01:26:35 and still can't install an app that's 1.8mb Nov 18 01:26:38 =[ Nov 18 01:29:48 * CTLAdvance-work cough *time* to fix* cough Nov 18 01:29:56 =] Nov 18 01:35:21 Adora: Did you reboot the device ? :) Nov 18 01:35:30 of course I rebooted it Nov 18 01:35:40 and kicked it down the stairs Nov 18 01:35:52 did either one of those help? Nov 18 01:36:04 one more than the other, but neither resolved the issue =] Nov 18 01:36:23 ok, well at least we can check those off the list.. Nov 18 01:36:35 Adora: From the app catalog or over USB? Nov 18 01:36:45 from the catalog Nov 18 01:36:53 ah...nevermind then Nov 18 01:37:18 Adora: I've got two words for you: meta-doctor ;-) Nov 18 01:37:52 Adora: you're not in the PalmCast chatroll? Nov 18 01:37:54 rwhitby: doesn't just installing preware fix the space issues for now? Nov 18 01:38:04 destinal: for some .... Nov 18 01:38:06 or is that only for homebrew apps? Nov 18 01:38:15 destinal: for some, it makes it worse. we don't know why yet. Nov 18 01:39:04 rwhitby: I had stuff to work on this afternoon Nov 18 01:40:58 rwhitby - she could eliminate usb mode and do the loop back Nov 18 01:41:03 create avirt file system Nov 18 01:41:04 rwhitby: what does meta-doctor do? Nov 18 01:42:20 Adora - Here is all you need to know :] Nov 18 01:42:21 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_opt_on_loopback Nov 18 01:42:44 Just dont expect ypur usb mode to work properly Nov 18 01:44:15 just read that Nov 18 01:44:29 I can't go without usb and media sync Nov 18 01:44:40 =] Nov 18 01:44:50 Adora: meta-doctor bypasses activation and sets the /var partition to 2GB space Nov 18 01:45:00 even though it's my personal device, I still gotta test with it sometimes Nov 18 01:45:02 Adora: I could do you a special version which just does the /var change :-) Nov 18 01:45:13 Adora: but it means a visit to the doctor to do it Nov 18 01:45:18 however, compared to how much testing I can do now... Nov 18 01:46:25 is there any way to just fix why I'm getting the app limit message when I shouldn't be? Nov 18 01:46:31 rwhitby where is the info on the metadoc? Nov 18 01:46:42 install preware Nov 18 01:46:47 that should temp fix it Nov 18 01:47:03 it's already installed Nov 18 01:47:12 oh I am sorry to hear that Nov 18 01:48:00 Adora: can you get a command line open using webos quick install ? Nov 18 01:48:50 how about get a cmd line open with Terminal? =] Nov 18 01:49:15 Adora: will be more painful for you. :-) Nov 18 01:49:19 I don't have quick install set up on this machine Nov 18 01:49:43 Adora: what's "df /var" say in Terminal? Just the percentage is fine Nov 18 01:49:45 only on Adora|Home Nov 18 01:49:54 which isn't idling here, wonder where that bugger of a laptop got off to... Nov 18 01:51:37 64% Nov 18 01:55:30 Adora: that means you have less than 100MiB free on /var, so App Catalog will refuse to install stuff. Nov 18 01:55:51 grrr Nov 18 01:56:00 Adora: you need the MvApp application from Preware, which lets you move email and apps over to the /media/internal USB area Nov 18 01:56:27 Adora: it's a "safety" net - if /var fills then we don't know what will happen, so Preware does not remove that safety net limit. Nov 18 01:57:57 when apps themselves download files Nov 18 01:58:01 where do they go? Nov 18 01:58:12 * zsoc fills up his /var and watches what happens Nov 18 01:58:46 Adora: I expect they would go in /var too, since it's the only writeable place. Either /var or /media/internal somewhere. Nov 18 01:59:06 * Adora looks suspiciously at drPodder Nov 18 01:59:36 Adora: if you can see the drPodder files when connected via USB, then it's on /media/internal and is not affecting this problem Nov 18 01:59:46 Adora: but lots of email will reduce the space for apps Nov 18 01:59:59 Adora: and also I think previously attachments from deleted emails were not deleted. Nov 18 02:00:18 ok, drPodder's not the culprit Nov 18 02:00:19 Adora: MvApp has a "wizard" mode where it shows you what is using up all the space in /var Nov 18 02:00:26 but I might classify as one with "lots of email" Nov 18 02:00:35 ooh Nov 18 02:00:36 Adora: install MvApp from Preware, then run it in Terminal Nov 18 02:00:55 Adora: there's a thread on it on PreCentral - let me get you a link Nov 18 02:01:36 I've been browsing a few between poking my phone and chatting here Nov 18 02:01:43 Adora: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/212349-solution-app-catalog-limit-symbolic-link-method.html Nov 18 02:01:44 adore the best thing I did before meta-doctoring was to remove my email accounts and re-enter them Nov 18 02:01:52 this deleted THOUSANDS of emails off the phone Nov 18 02:01:56 Adora: Did you get the app? :) Nov 18 02:02:10 Roy-Pre101: I did =] Nov 18 02:02:14 maybe that's what broke my phone! Nov 18 02:02:16 * Adora gasps Nov 18 02:02:22 ::shuffles feet:: Nov 18 02:02:40 I wondered what the com.palm.breakDevice service did and couldn't resist trying it. Nov 18 02:02:58 hahahahahaha Nov 18 02:03:22 So, what did you think? Realize it's still a bit rough. Nov 18 02:03:23 Roy-Pre101: wasn't that the org.webosinternals.messWithTheOS service? Nov 18 02:03:39 rwhitby: I tried both. Nov 18 02:04:10 Roy-Pre101: which one did the most damage? Nov 18 02:04:59 Not sure. I also ran the scrambleRandomFiles at the same time. Nov 18 02:09:01 30mb apps, 51mb email, 3mb attachments, 0mb tmp, 11mb opt Nov 18 02:09:02 heh Nov 18 02:09:05 what is everyone's favorite way to determine if the app is running for the first time? just check a cookie? Nov 18 02:09:38 I guess I have a bit of an email problem after all Nov 18 02:15:35 Adora: if you're not using optware for ssh access, you could remove the opt stuff too Nov 18 02:16:39 rwhitby: yeah, I'm actually not using that Nov 18 02:17:15 mvapping my email just made a HYOOGE difference, though Nov 18 02:17:15 Adora: when you have time and a decent command line, ping me and we'll get rid of that for you Nov 18 02:17:33 * Adora lovingly reinstalls pandora Nov 18 02:17:57 * rwhitby adds another "By appointment to Adora" to a webos-internals.org app ... ;-) Nov 18 02:21:33 sugardave I like simply checking to see if a cookie eists Nov 18 02:29:53 Adora: heya Nov 18 02:30:01 rick_home: yo dawg Nov 18 02:36:18 kesne: woof Nov 18 02:36:27 heya kesne Nov 18 02:37:57 Hehe Nov 18 02:38:06 I just got 30 on Perfect Bounce on my pixi Nov 18 02:41:41 stfu Nov 18 02:41:48 ;_; Nov 18 02:42:47 hehe Nov 18 02:43:03 Hey, type "upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart" Nov 18 02:43:08 In the app Nov 18 02:43:22 * Adora blinks Nov 18 02:43:28 just kidding Nov 18 02:43:33 though that would be cool Nov 18 02:43:35 * Adora goes to install (since I can now, yay!) Nov 18 02:43:37 god mode Nov 18 02:43:39 hehhe Nov 18 02:43:42 * kesne adds it to checkers pro Nov 18 02:43:45 It's coming Nov 18 02:43:47 srsly Nov 18 02:44:09 I need to buy that one, anyway Nov 18 02:44:57 wha?? why two stars, dude? Nov 18 02:45:15 Adora: because it is so ridiculously hard Nov 18 02:45:25 oh dear, there are a few in here that chuq's going to have to tend to Nov 18 02:45:26 people can't handle it, kesne Nov 18 02:45:28 freakout, boo, tim, boo Nov 18 02:45:33 zsoc Nov 18 02:45:34 lol Nov 18 02:45:35 freakout: yeah! Nov 18 02:45:45 zsoc: was that you heckling me in the palmcast? Nov 18 02:45:46 Yeah Nov 18 02:45:57 "I'd rather flick my balls a thousand times" Nov 18 02:46:00 Heh Nov 18 02:46:08 kesne: lol. Nov 18 02:46:09 But yeah, two stars because it's too hard Nov 18 02:46:13 freakout, what are you talking about? Nov 18 02:46:19 what a bunch of pansies Nov 18 02:46:41 Adora: my thoughts exactly. Heck, I liked playing it in the *emulator*, and that was horrifically hard Nov 18 02:46:50 zsoc: don't worry your pretty little head about it Nov 18 02:47:01 I'm off to lunch Nov 18 02:48:19 Adora: Sorry, I wandered away. Were you able to install the app? Nov 18 02:49:05 Roy-Pre101: yep, we got that sorted out. MvApp to the rescue. Nov 18 02:49:47 rwhitby: I meant -my- app. Nov 18 02:49:52 how do i install novacomd in win 7? Nov 18 02:49:54 next perfect bounce score: 2 =[ Nov 18 02:50:07 Roy-Pre101: I thought she had to move the email so she could install your app ? Nov 18 02:50:26 Not sure. I'm only popping in to the conversation occasionally. Nov 18 02:50:27 kesne: if you make a cheat for pb, it should use the accelerometer Nov 18 02:50:33 :) Nov 18 02:50:41 So make the konami code use the accelerometer Nov 18 02:50:44 I was totally just controller surfing during that round Nov 18 02:51:23 rwhitby Roy-Pre101: I had to remove the email to install another app Nov 18 02:51:36 YES Nov 18 02:51:37 Adora: BTW, if you guys don't hurry up with an app limit fix we're going to have to put the MvApp functionality into Preware ... ;-) Nov 18 02:51:39 I just got the code working Nov 18 02:51:46 So now I just need to figure out what it should do Nov 18 02:51:47 but I'd already tried the one roy sent me Nov 18 02:51:51 ideas? Nov 18 02:51:53 Roy-Pre101: it's cute =] Nov 18 02:52:08 Ah, good. When I finish, it'll be -much- better than Perfect Bounce. :) Nov 18 02:52:36 :P Nov 18 02:53:07 * rwhitby bbl Nov 18 02:53:35 No kesne hating here Nov 18 02:53:47 we have #kesne-sucks for that Nov 18 02:55:48 freenode police to kesne: "sir, this looks like an official channel" Nov 18 02:56:07 I prefer #adora-sucks Nov 18 02:56:09 :P Nov 18 02:56:11 "I'm afraid we need you to fill out some extra paperwork..." Nov 18 02:59:11 Hehe Nov 18 02:59:52 So, any devs here interested in the Application Takeover 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 18 03:00:03 2009