**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 18 03:00:03 2009 Nov 18 03:01:22 what? Nov 18 03:01:25 Uh Nov 18 03:01:40 It's a big app push in december for entertainment and game apps Nov 18 03:01:56 ah Nov 18 03:02:01 * kesne brb Nov 18 03:08:16 kesne: Haven't heard about that. Nov 18 03:09:06 Roy-Pre101, pretty sure he just made it up Nov 18 03:09:23 mmm Nov 18 03:14:41 Roy-Pre101 Nov 18 03:14:46 Been planning for a while Nov 18 03:14:49 working with Palm on it Nov 18 03:14:52 ask chuq Nov 18 03:16:59 any devs interested? Nov 18 03:17:15 kesne: i'd be happy with 1 or 2 good free games rather than a flood of more shtty appy Nov 18 03:17:34 PuffTheMagic: We are encouraging good games Nov 18 03:17:37 not flood of bad Nov 18 03:23:45 HA Nov 18 03:23:54 Konami code in Checkers Pro 1.2 is a go Nov 18 03:24:07 kesne: what does it do? Nov 18 03:24:45 In Checkers Pro, it clears all achievements Nov 18 03:25:51 In Perfect Bounce, if you submit that name with your score it will change the score to 1000000 Nov 18 03:26:09 heh Nov 18 03:26:46 kesne: I'm so doing that and waving it in derek's face =D Nov 18 03:27:13 Haha Nov 18 03:27:15 You should! Nov 18 03:29:47 :D Nov 18 03:29:56 Though, the name will be the konami code Nov 18 03:30:01 so what should I do to change that? Nov 18 03:32:24 Adora: you there? Nov 18 03:32:52 can you do "username konamicode" Nov 18 03:33:03 and have that show up as just username? Nov 18 03:33:14 Adora: okay, it isnt going to be the konami code Nov 18 03:33:16 something better Nov 18 03:33:22 uh oh Nov 18 03:33:31 what's better than the konami code?? Nov 18 03:34:04 I messaged you Nov 18 03:35:03 Roy-Pre101: looks like you have some connection problems to your site Nov 18 03:39:59 oy Nov 18 04:25:53 Sweet Nov 18 04:25:55 anybody notice that -webkit-border-radius works now? Nov 18 04:26:00 Just got the secret code working Nov 18 04:27:47 edektor - Just an FYI ImageCropView is not a supported feature and shouldnt have been included in the mojomatters app example Nov 18 04:27:53 got confirmation today Nov 18 04:28:13 oh well i couldnt use it anyway Nov 18 04:28:20 Ill use it when its complete Nov 18 04:28:23 its not finished I guess Nov 18 04:40:57 I feel like playing guitar Nov 18 04:41:00 * kesne grabs his guitar Nov 18 04:41:06 any requests? Nov 18 04:41:14 Freebird! Nov 18 04:41:21 HA Nov 18 04:41:24 I know that! Nov 18 04:41:38 But not my favorite Nov 18 04:41:47 I prefer more acustic Nov 18 04:41:51 Melpo Mene Nov 18 04:41:56 Bluegrass is good Nov 18 04:42:06 but hey, what guitar player DOESN'T know freebird Nov 18 04:42:15 * kesne plays freebird Nov 18 04:42:59 Hey guys Nov 18 04:43:05 welcome Nov 18 04:43:10 you caught us at a great time Nov 18 04:43:16 just finished the solo Nov 18 04:43:21 Grrr my app is telling me the downloadmanager isn't running Nov 18 04:43:26 What does that mean Nov 18 04:43:27 yeah, kesne's playing freebird Nov 18 04:43:34 I seriously was Nov 18 04:43:48 If this was ustream or skype I would be Nov 18 04:44:14 -webkit-border-radius worked before....? do you mean it works with backround colors/images now? Nov 18 04:45:56 HEY ALL: want to see the hack in action? Nov 18 04:46:10 The secret code in checkers? Nov 18 04:46:38 nobody? Nov 18 04:46:39 :( Nov 18 04:46:47 not even tim? Nov 18 04:47:11 :( Nov 18 04:47:14 Guess not Nov 18 04:49:49 theres secret codes? Nov 18 04:49:50 ;o Nov 18 04:50:06 border radius doesn't work right, sugardave Nov 18 04:50:06 in checkers.. Nov 18 04:50:14 what ver, i think i have older preware ver ;[ Nov 18 04:50:33 in a beta versiomn Nov 18 04:50:44 err, well, maybe it does now. That would be intriguing if they fixed that. Nov 18 04:50:52 kesne: you should also make it play a riff from freebird when the secret code is activated =] Nov 18 04:50:57 :D Nov 18 04:50:59 SWEET Nov 18 04:51:01 * Adora should stop feeding kesne ideas Nov 18 04:51:05 i have 0.7.1 Nov 18 04:51:09 Old Nov 18 04:51:16 how old ;x Nov 18 04:51:19 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/keen-studios-live Nov 18 04:51:45 I'll show you Nov 18 04:51:52 lol Nov 18 04:51:58 Tell me if watching please Nov 18 04:51:59 nice hat Nov 18 04:52:02 Hah Nov 18 04:52:08 :P Nov 18 04:52:09 so old Nov 18 04:52:09 lolol Nov 18 04:52:14 i was expecting u to be older broe Nov 18 04:52:15 that this version works on the pixi Nov 18 04:52:32 join the club Nov 18 04:52:44 did u swap out pre for pixi? Nov 18 04:52:45 traitor Nov 18 04:53:00 oh :D Nov 18 04:53:01 haha ok Nov 18 04:53:03 dev build 1.1.5 Nov 18 04:53:08 On checkers Nov 18 04:53:22 on the pre, I have stable 1.0.0 Nov 18 04:53:42 ya Nov 18 04:54:25 Hello Nov 18 04:54:33 hey amdx Nov 18 04:54:38 Welcome to the riff room Nov 18 04:54:44 I have a seriouse problem :D can some one help? Nov 18 04:54:51 Sure thing! Nov 18 04:54:54 What's the problem Nov 18 04:54:54 =drew Nov 18 04:54:56 lol Nov 18 04:55:04 ya idk, i dont have a ustream acct Nov 18 04:55:11 nah 0.7.1 ;[ Nov 18 04:55:13 still Nov 18 04:55:22 yea dude Nov 18 04:55:23 idk Nov 18 04:55:24 lol Nov 18 04:55:45 whats the dif between free/full Nov 18 04:56:30 Okay ever since I upgraded my phone to 1.3 it has been really slow, well its still usable but I can't even play a 4minute youtube video without it freezing on me, is there is a solution to this, and if there isn't is there anyway I can downgrade to 1.2.1? Nov 18 04:56:51 WebOS doctor to 1.2.1 Nov 18 04:56:55 is it fully buffered? Nov 18 04:57:02 And ota to 1.3.1, trust me Nov 18 04:57:23 What do you mean by buffered? Nov 18 04:57:34 * rwhitby shamelessly touts http://install.preware.org Nov 18 04:57:39 like maybe the video download is just lagged Nov 18 04:57:42 and needs to buffer Nov 18 04:57:48 Webos doctor won't erase everything I have rite? Nov 18 04:57:48 ya Nov 18 04:57:49 im here Nov 18 04:57:51 dude Nov 18 04:57:59 No its not just the video Nov 18 04:58:24 amdx: It will erase -everything- Nov 18 04:58:29 I am just using that as an example to show you how slow it has gotten, the video is fully buffered Nov 18 04:58:34 Whaaaaaaaaa Nov 18 04:58:46 how does online play? ;o u got a server running or? Nov 18 04:58:51 It's like reformatting the drive and reinstalling Windows. :) Nov 18 04:58:51 Are you joking? Nov 18 04:59:01 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/keen-studios-live Nov 18 04:59:03 Watch roy Nov 18 04:59:15 amdx: no Nov 18 04:59:26 O_O Nov 18 04:59:27 sending ajax posts with move info? :o Nov 18 04:59:37 So that is the only solution? Nov 18 04:59:59 Has anyone else been experiencing decrease in speed since they updated Nov 18 05:00:03 ? Nov 18 05:00:06 who do u have ur 877 thru? Nov 18 05:00:09 oh ur in uk? Nov 18 05:00:22 I can't hear anything. Who is this jackass? ;) Nov 18 05:00:24 er 814 Nov 18 05:00:28 814-367-3466 Nov 18 05:00:29 HOLY SHIT 814? Nov 18 05:00:33 keen Nov 18 05:00:36 i used to live in erie Nov 18 05:00:36 pa Nov 18 05:00:46 oh nm Nov 18 05:00:47 :\ Nov 18 05:00:50 fuck haha Nov 18 05:00:55 i coulda swore 814 was pa ;o Nov 18 05:01:25 ... Nov 18 05:01:39 sorry, kense is on ustream responding to me Nov 18 05:01:42 i probably sound crazy Nov 18 05:01:43 Speak into the mike Nov 18 05:01:45 :P Nov 18 05:01:55 i dont have a ustream acct;o Nov 18 05:02:30 9pm lights out! Nov 18 05:02:32 \o/ Nov 18 05:02:40 does it keep score? Nov 18 05:02:42 for online accts Nov 18 05:02:50 records Nov 18 05:03:10 Oooh, I can hear you.  It's at max. Nov 18 05:03:48 u realize im going to scour ur code to find this right? Nov 18 05:03:49 D; Nov 18 05:03:53 Sooo uhh Nov 18 05:04:06 I want to know why it made me connect with facebook and -then- doesn't let me chat. Nov 18 05:04:34 ... Is anyone else experiencing decrease in speed after updating their pre? Nov 18 05:04:37 #watch-kesne Nov 18 05:04:39 there you go Nov 18 05:04:42 I gotta sleep, anyhow. It's after midnight here. Nov 18 05:04:56 Night! Good luck with it, kesne. Nov 18 05:05:07 You still haven't sent me a version to test yet. Nov 18 05:07:41 did adora really leave? Nov 18 05:07:54 psh Nov 18 05:08:00 no Nov 18 05:08:15 lights out was just a status update =D Nov 18 05:08:37 actually, palm turns the lights out at 9:02 by my clock Nov 18 05:09:53 I should probably leave soon, though Nov 18 05:12:17 hi all Nov 18 05:13:28 hey JenP - have you seen http://install.preware.org yet ? Please give Craig any feedback from a tech writer's point of view :-) Nov 18 05:13:52 no i haven't seen it but i'll take a look now Nov 18 05:14:53 ya Nov 18 05:14:54 kense Nov 18 05:14:57 <-watchin Nov 18 05:15:27 you dont Nov 18 05:16:30 ever since the new update my phone has been going crazy. I think i'm gonna have to use webos dr.<( Nov 18 05:18:56 :( Nov 18 05:19:01 i havent noticed much Nov 18 05:19:06 did epr & ota update Nov 18 05:19:21 i've done epr twice Nov 18 05:19:27 what's ota? Nov 18 05:19:31 over the air Nov 18 05:20:17 i think kense said earlier to try doing webos dr back to 1.2.1 & then updating to 1.3.1 through updates on device Nov 18 05:20:44 kk i did ota for my update Nov 18 05:20:53 Me too Nov 18 05:20:55 hmm weird ;[ Nov 18 05:20:56 Adora: you should have tuned into watch kesne :O Nov 18 05:21:00 what issues are u having jenp? Nov 18 05:21:10 My phone is going crazy too Nov 18 05:21:33 if i try to delete any app on my phone using org key tap...the window pops up halfway then freezes Nov 18 05:21:53 org key tap? Nov 18 05:22:10 i can close the launcher but when i reopen it...orange key + tap on icon Nov 18 05:22:25 when i reopen it's still there. i end up having to restart my phone Nov 18 05:22:30 Adora: srsly, all the cool people watch Nov 18 05:22:46 Adora: well, I mean, that makes sense then (ohhh) Nov 18 05:22:49 ya, kense has a sweet hat Nov 18 05:23:02 lol Nov 18 05:23:09 kesne: kinda busy reviewing apps, bro =] Nov 18 05:23:30 Adora: psh, arent you working overtime anyways? Nov 18 05:23:31 can i review apps from home ;[ Nov 18 05:23:32 cali is far Nov 18 05:23:42 I'd love to work at palm too! Nov 18 05:23:48 ditto Nov 18 05:23:49 but this job: http://recruit.trovix.com/jobhostmaster/jobhost/ViewJobPostDetails.do?title=UI+DEVELOPER&jobPostId=7bfkqxmbqffy7mnyvgzgnq3iie&accountId=8c7a6bdda14fca4be3ce19634698d598530b9e78&button=&action=viewDetails&tid=0207-wqa7vwks7ncdnj4z6gk7dn5sib Nov 18 05:23:51 kense Nov 18 05:23:58 lets just go camp outside palm Nov 18 05:24:01 til they give us jobs Nov 18 05:24:01 :X Nov 18 05:24:05 Hah Nov 18 05:24:09 ...or call the cops ;[ Nov 18 05:24:10 too young Nov 18 05:24:15 This one though: http://recruit.trovix.com/jobhostmaster/jobhost/ViewJobPostDetails.do?title=UI+DEVELOPER&jobPostId=7bfkqxmbqffy7mnyvgzgnq3iie&accountId=8c7a6bdda14fca4be3ce19634698d598530b9e78&button=&action=viewDetails&tid=0207-wqa7vwks7ncdnj4z6gk7dn5sib Nov 18 05:24:19 I picked it out! Nov 18 05:24:21 :D Nov 18 05:24:53 do u have a B.A in cs or equivelent? Nov 18 05:24:54 ;x Nov 18 05:25:01 yeah Nov 18 05:25:03 yuppers Nov 18 05:25:09 In 'equivelent' Nov 18 05:25:28 Plus, I'm CEO and co-founder of Keen Studios LLC, that has to count for something Nov 18 05:25:35 lol Nov 18 05:25:38 ya well im a CEO too Nov 18 05:25:40 Adora: what would happen if I applied? xD Nov 18 05:25:41 doesnt mean much :P Nov 18 05:25:42 D; Nov 18 05:26:57 hmmm wonder if they need tech writers.... Nov 18 05:27:02 kense how old are u? Nov 18 05:27:05 15 Nov 18 05:27:08 kesne: I dunno, what's the legal age to work full time in the us? Nov 18 05:27:12 holy shit Nov 18 05:27:15 (sorry) Nov 18 05:27:18 but Nov 18 05:27:20 Adora: 16 or something Nov 18 05:27:25 wow, i mean u look young but.. Nov 18 05:27:29 dro0: you SAW me Nov 18 05:27:32 not 15 lol Nov 18 05:27:33 How old do I look? Nov 18 05:27:44 idk atleast like 16-17 Nov 18 05:27:47 12:-p Nov 18 05:27:47 but i thought 18 Nov 18 05:27:48 so yeah, you'd be thown out on a technicality Nov 18 05:27:49 tbththth Nov 18 05:27:59 i think the hat makes u look older Nov 18 05:28:01 haha;x Nov 18 05:28:07 Adora: okay, so lets say I apply next year :P Nov 18 05:28:19 keep applying every year Nov 18 05:28:20 ;x Nov 18 05:28:32 dro0: every month == better Nov 18 05:28:39 true Nov 18 05:28:39 OR, every job every year Nov 18 05:28:44 lol Nov 18 05:28:47 yea Nov 18 05:28:48 Though, that would ruin my real chances Nov 18 05:28:59 and by the time ur 18 they'll all know u on a first name basis Nov 18 05:29:00 ;x Nov 18 05:29:12 heh Nov 18 05:29:56 also, is that "secret" in 0.7.8? Nov 18 06:19:15 hi Nov 18 06:19:50 looks like precentral crashed webos101 Nov 18 06:20:35 ? Nov 18 06:21:12 preecentrak blogged roys interview with chuq Nov 18 06:21:21 Ohhh Nov 18 06:21:50 roys site appears to have not survived the load Nov 18 06:21:51 brb.. rebooting because update says so.. Nov 18 06:25:13 hi dalmaer Nov 18 06:27:05 so, I assume roy's asleep... Nov 18 06:28:30 yep Nov 18 06:30:00 precentral almost crashed webos internals Nov 18 06:30:12 I'm not suprised Nov 18 06:33:26 1.3.1 kinda wonky with the app catalog eh? Nov 18 06:34:37 Keen Studios hasnt crashed Nov 18 06:38:20 need to go to bed myself Nov 18 06:39:20 131 implemented version .dependence Nov 18 06:56:33 lightweights... who needs sleep Nov 18 07:01:00 I have webos 1.2 and the updates app says no updates available. How do I dl 1.3.1? Nov 18 07:09:07 Where are you located? Nov 18 07:10:41 Anyone? Nov 18 07:14:38 Us Nov 18 07:51:48 ...no more will my green sea go turn a deeper blue... Nov 18 13:08:41 hello from wirc Nov 18 13:17:59 hello Dremel Nov 18 13:48:36 did Mojo.Event.listAdd change in 131? Nov 18 13:58:58 Pre101: you can still use msg.output, but for now it'll have to be onSuccess to the initial service request, until I can figure out how to subscribe to stdout with a java service Nov 18 14:15:06 is pre101 still down? Nov 18 14:15:43 ya Nov 18 14:23:03 is was up for a min yesterday Nov 18 14:42:21 Anyone know when it went down? Nov 18 14:47:02 Pre101: when what went down? Nov 18 14:51:23 pre101.com Nov 18 14:51:58 it got overloaded and died Nov 18 14:51:59 :( Nov 18 14:52:47 how do i reset the phone back to factor new? Nov 18 14:53:04 oh, it may be back Nov 18 14:53:29 fearphage, webos doctor? Nov 18 14:54:16 en0x: that's not built into the phone? Nov 18 14:54:24 no Nov 18 14:54:25 th ephone can't reset itself? Nov 18 14:54:32 it can Nov 18 14:54:41 but it wont recover its files Nov 18 14:54:48 it will just wipe ass clean Nov 18 14:54:56 afaik Nov 18 14:55:00 that's all i want Nov 18 14:55:06 and anyway if you want to reset it to factory default Nov 18 14:55:08 i have to return it and i want all my data off of it Nov 18 14:55:10 u need MLS from sprint Nov 18 14:55:13 for your phone Nov 18 14:55:23 i'm in the UK. sprint can't help me Nov 18 14:55:32 it's not tucked away in some menu option somewhere? Nov 18 14:55:35 go to palm.com and do remote wipe Nov 18 14:55:36 :D Nov 18 14:55:44 device info Nov 18 14:55:45 reset Nov 18 14:56:15 thank you Nov 18 14:57:02 and there is 2 options Nov 18 14:57:02 partial erase and full erase Nov 18 14:57:05 partial does everything but media Nov 18 14:57:05 right? Nov 18 14:57:12 u wont be able to do full erase without MLS Nov 18 14:57:19 MSL Nov 18 14:57:19 i dont know about european version Nov 18 14:57:24 yaya whatever Nov 18 14:57:24 :p Nov 18 14:57:26 heh Nov 18 14:57:39 grndslm, right everything except media Nov 18 14:57:54 your carrier should give it to you without problem... if they do, just ask to speak with technical support Nov 18 14:58:02 right Nov 18 14:58:14 tell them palm told you to reset to factory settings or something Nov 18 14:58:21 and you just need the MSL Nov 18 14:58:55 i accidentally closed the "First Use" app while I was running it after a doctor, and i think i hosed my palm profile Nov 18 14:59:22 there is a way to kick it again Nov 18 14:59:24 from, command prompt Nov 18 14:59:36 oh really?? well, i already doctored again... :-/ Nov 18 14:59:39 en0x: what command? Nov 18 15:00:10 i would have to look in pre... i dont remember right of hand Nov 18 15:01:33 well, i think if you close the first use app before it's done... and then doctor your phone... Nov 18 15:01:46 your profile is gone... 'cause i'm only getting an error about contacting palm now Nov 18 15:02:03 you could just delete PalmDatabase.db3 and first use app will kick off Nov 18 15:02:20 at restart? Nov 18 15:02:41 ur pre is running... ssh to ur pre go to /var/data/.../ Nov 18 15:02:46 rm -rf PalmDatabase.db3 Nov 18 15:02:47 reboot Nov 18 15:02:47 ;P Nov 18 15:02:57 the first use app shouldn't be allowed to be closed... Nov 18 15:03:00 i know that much Nov 18 15:03:20 nothign should be allowed Nov 18 15:03:20 :p Nov 18 15:12:40 i had a dream last night Nov 18 15:12:54 that i replaced the flash memory on my pre and I put 16Gb inside Nov 18 15:14:11 oh and i wrote gpu driver too Nov 18 15:14:18 so it was damn fast... Nov 18 15:21:08 i can't believe the pre doesn't use the powervr chip in that TI so lovingly put into their platform...i mean doesn't it _come_ with base drivers for linux? Nov 18 15:27:59 if it did, i'd think we'd have it by now Nov 18 15:28:41 i'd say less than 5 months, they'll definitely have gpu support built in Nov 18 15:30:22 hmm maybe palm can get the same guys who made the intel drivers for powervr to do theirs - vmware. Nov 18 15:39:12 finally got dev access, however, after submitting the paypal payment I get the message: "Your transaction could not be processed. Please contact Palm for technical assistance." Nov 18 15:39:20 * bryanroth sighs Nov 18 15:43:16 what key is Mojo.Char.metaKey Nov 18 15:43:32 is that the orange button or something else Nov 18 15:44:36 or is altKey orange? Nov 18 15:48:26 Arrrrg! Nov 18 15:48:41 My .htaccess file isn't redirecting pre101.com to the blog. Nov 18 15:48:42 since I moved hosts. Nov 18 15:49:48 Anyone here know about those things? Nov 18 15:50:03 whats up Pre? Nov 18 15:50:33 Pre101: yeah, google does. :D Nov 18 15:51:25 Pre101 What's your .htaccess file look like right now? Nov 18 15:52:25 Nov 18 15:53:25 RewriteEngine On Nov 18 15:53:54 RewriteBase /blog/ Nov 18 15:54:53 RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f Nov 18 15:55:54 RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d Nov 18 15:56:54 RewriteRule . /blog/index.php [L] Nov 18 15:57:29 Nov 18 15:57:29 # BEGIN WordPress Nov 18 15:58:29 Nov 18 15:59:29 RewriteEngine On Nov 18 16:00:00 RewriteBase /blog/ Nov 18 16:01:01 RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f Nov 18 16:01:15 :( pastebin is your friend, lol Nov 18 16:01:15 RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d Nov 18 16:01:42 RewriteRule . /blog/index.php [L] Nov 18 16:02:42 Nov 18 16:02:42 hmm, looks duplicated. Nov 18 16:02:44 But that's not the issue Nov 18 16:02:52 ooooh Nov 18 16:02:56 one sec. Nov 18 16:03:08 there are log files too that can help out. Nov 18 16:05:53 I got it fixed, thanks Nov 18 16:07:58 is it just me, or is 1.3.1 much faster? Nov 18 16:08:00 I learned to follow directions. Nov 18 16:08:10 1.2.1 used to stutter a bit for me sometimes. Nov 18 16:08:11 pre101 is moved to new server. Nov 18 16:08:20 1.3.1 is really snappy though Nov 18 16:08:31 i wonder if it's just my imagination Nov 18 16:08:46 Azalyn: possibly both. Nov 18 16:08:53 :P Nov 18 16:10:10 who got european gsm version of pre? Nov 18 16:18:20 Azalyn: Yeah, I've noticed 1.3.1 to be a little quicker. Nov 18 16:44:43 ping Nov 18 16:46:36 pong Nov 18 16:50:45 plonk? Nov 18 16:51:00 boink Nov 18 16:51:03 ? Nov 18 16:52:17 well, this day's conversation is starting off well. Nov 18 16:52:33 Very productive Nov 18 16:53:15 ding Nov 18 16:53:20 dong Nov 18 16:55:27 hi chuq Nov 18 16:55:43 say, any comment on how accurate the patched download views for apps are? Nov 18 16:57:38 as far as I know, they're accurate, as long as you realize one thing: Nov 18 16:57:40 you mean the counts? Nov 18 16:57:47 it's TOTAL downloads. Not UNIQUE downloads. Nov 18 16:57:59 ah, I see Nov 18 16:58:06 I will send you an email Nov 18 16:58:31 i.e., if someone buys the app and downloads it, then for some reason tosses it and later downloads it again, that counts as 1 purcahse, but two downloads. When the developer-visible data is released, they'll have better metrics. Nov 18 16:58:38 Thats what I was wondering to. Does that include if they delete it and redownload it? Nov 18 16:58:48 I'd guess so Nov 18 16:58:50 the data is in the computer, just not visible to mere mortals (or me). Nov 18 16:58:51 right, so, 57K downloads for reversi includes an awful lot of updates. and probably 25 to 30K unique users. Nov 18 16:59:04 damn, so I'm poorer than I thought Nov 18 16:59:08 :D Nov 18 16:59:09 correct. Updates count in the number Nov 18 16:59:31 and you can only guess, because not everyone updates. Nov 18 16:59:34 and that's one major reason we stopped showing it in the catalog. It's a confusing number. Nov 18 16:59:39 nodnod Nov 18 17:00:16 FWIW (shh. don't tell anyone) when I give devs the numbers if they email me for them, I -- this is a secret -- use the preware patch on my phone. Nov 18 17:00:24 because it's the easiest way for me to get them... Nov 18 17:00:39 :-) Nov 18 17:00:43 hahaha Nov 18 17:00:46 that rocks Nov 18 17:01:01 funny chuqi Nov 18 17:01:03 chuqui: well, then you can ignore the email I just sent you :P Nov 18 17:01:20 hey... it works. I'm all for EASY. Nov 18 17:01:27 so, when are the first round ofpaypal payments set to go out? Nov 18 17:01:53 HA Nov 18 17:02:09 chuq - you can ignore my email as well if its not the real number :) Nov 18 17:02:09 well, I can guarantee 12 unique downloads :D Nov 18 17:02:52 * CTLAdvance-work laughs Nov 18 17:03:21 They are planning for payments for apps in at launch of the paid store the end of this month. Contractually payments are due 60 days past the end of the month the revenue is logged. Nov 18 17:03:49 nodnod New that, wondered what the plan was. Nov 18 17:03:52 knew Nov 18 17:04:10 gnu Nov 18 17:04:18 so do you group them all together or will we end up with payments every few days Nov 18 17:04:30 So, September sales paid at the end of this month. Nov 18 17:04:50 CTLAdvance-work it has to be a lump, or the paypal fees would eat you up Nov 18 17:05:00 Gnu: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui Nov 18 17:05:04 Yeah thats what I thought but just confirming Nov 18 17:05:17 I believe payments are monthly. Nov 18 17:05:23 PLEASE don't pay me every few days...that would suck Nov 18 17:05:31 bascally a monthly payout net 60 Nov 18 17:05:59 those are gnus. those are sea otters. Nov 18 17:06:09 (ever notice how you get developers together you're as likely to talk money as geek? Same with writers. Get a bunch of authors together, they don't talk about writing. They talk about contracts) Nov 18 17:06:20 those ARENT gnus... Nov 18 17:06:48 hey, it's a shiny new toy for me :D Nov 18 17:06:49 GNU is another name for a wildebeest. Nov 18 17:06:55 (honest) Nov 18 17:07:06 im backkkk Nov 18 17:07:13 ahh Nov 18 17:07:18 oh man this webos backup crap is going to be too funny Nov 18 17:07:20 I otter know. I are an expert.... (bra ha ha) Nov 18 17:07:28 nice Nov 18 17:07:29 oy Nov 18 17:07:30 www.instantrimshot.com Nov 18 17:07:33 even more iportant, I have the Google: http://www.americazoo.com/goto/index/mammals/400.htm Nov 18 17:08:01 Did someone say OTTER? http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui/4062470757/ Nov 18 17:08:03 (ducking) Nov 18 17:08:11 * CTLAdvance-work grins Nov 18 17:08:26 everyone in IRC is looking like the one on the right... I'll shut up now. welcome to weird-mood wednesday... Nov 18 17:08:34 riiiiittttt.... Still looking for the photo of a gnu in your photostream. Nov 18 17:08:48 otters are cute Nov 18 17:08:50 and chuq otter know Nov 18 17:09:09 * CTLAdvance-work holds book up to protect face Nov 18 17:09:19 http://www.instantrimshot.com Nov 18 17:09:58 otters are cute. And have big claws and teeth. they're basically aquatic dogs in many ways. Nov 18 17:10:07 Im making a rimshot button hold on Nov 18 17:10:28 ever see emit otters jugband christmas special Nov 18 17:10:28 CTLAdvance-work: i have it aliased /rimshot in irssi Nov 18 17:10:50 CTLAdvance-work: there's a hole in the washtub Nov 18 17:10:51 the soundboard app on precentral has it as well Nov 18 17:11:14 Its included in GasPasser for WebOS in the other cat Nov 18 17:11:31 * sugardave sings "Barbecue! Lifts my spirit, I swear that it never fails!" Nov 18 17:11:49 thats a homebrew app btw Nov 18 17:12:48 someone added a southpark soundboard to homebrew... oy Nov 18 17:13:13 * gkatsev -> lunch Nov 18 17:24:10 hmm, that's interesting re: total downoads vs. unique downloads. Nov 18 17:25:08 I am sure that is the same with precentral's repository. Nov 18 17:27:09 I guess I'll see a huge bump when the update goes out just because people download the update. Nov 18 17:28:04 Chuq - when do you think we will see the new develoepr metrics? Nov 18 17:28:16 ball park if you cant speak Nov 18 17:28:16 I hope they push my update today. I'm a little irked about the whole menu rejection then inability to upload the update. Nov 18 17:31:34 Pre101: more progress than I can make Nov 18 17:32:55 bryanroth, still no account? Nov 18 17:33:18 new metrics: not sure. they're working on them, but I don't know the date. How about "not soon enough for me?" Nov 18 17:34:25 lyht: Well, I checked this morning and saw the "updgrade to developer status" button, finally. But when I went to pay the $5 fee via PayPal I got a message telling me that the transaction couldn't be completed. Nov 18 17:34:36 lyht: so close, but no cigar Nov 18 17:34:45 crappy Nov 18 17:35:42 Hm. Nov 18 17:35:52 * AtomicPlayboy compares /names Nov 18 17:36:11 lyht: well, the portal is in beta so it's to be expected Nov 18 17:36:13 Lotta familiar faces here. Nov 18 17:36:25 we are Legion Nov 18 17:36:56 But you're not Anonymous. Nov 18 17:37:59 But anyway...has anyone gotten WPA2-PEAP-MSCHAP working? Is there a workaround for it? Nov 18 17:38:15 Really frustrated with the dev portal just now, in that it is showing oneofmyapps as rejected that has NOT BEEN rejected. :-( Nov 18 17:38:21 bryanroth, it is just a communication problem with paypal, you could maybe just keep trying every little while... Nov 18 17:38:24 and no one seems able to fix it. Nov 18 17:39:23 Rick_work: I thought I was having problems... Nov 18 17:39:48 chuqi palm certainly seems able to hire competant people, looking at the linked-in resumes for some of the developer reps, I'm sort of amazed that some of them are in this job dealing with us peons..... Nov 18 17:41:08 but the, the same might be said of you. :) Nov 18 17:42:27 lyht: Yeah, I have been trying repeatedly but have had no luck... Nov 18 17:46:37 lyth: And it just worked! Nov 18 17:46:50 nice Nov 18 17:47:01 as I said last night -- patience patience. Nov 18 17:47:10 The young are so _eager_. :-) Nov 18 17:48:11 this is a great bunch of people. I really love working here. (which is why I'm here.....) Nov 18 17:48:39 congrats, bryanroth Nov 18 17:48:49 lyht: thanks! Nov 18 17:49:09 Rick_work: indeed Nov 18 17:49:28 Rick_work: nothing wrong with being eager ;) Nov 18 17:50:09 frustration and dissappointment. Calmness allows constant pressure and moves just as fast. It's a zen thing. Nov 18 17:51:10 Zen and the Art of webOS Development? Nov 18 17:51:45 We need a background app that just starts playing surfin bird randomly and cant be shut off. Nov 18 17:51:51 "Be not in a hurry for your sounds to play. Know that they will play and be heard in due time." Nov 18 17:52:05 Whose sounds? Nov 18 17:52:31 anybody's, really Nov 18 17:53:14 That's more franciscan than Zen. Nov 18 17:53:55 ping Nov 18 17:54:07 How about: There is a sound, there is not yet a sound, what is the sound of an instantiated audio object with is not yet playing? Nov 18 17:54:41 Rick - the answer is C Nov 18 17:54:44 hehe Nov 18 17:55:12 iif( Stu_enroll.off_withd_dt>=stu_classes.start_date .and. Stu_enroll.off_withd_dt<=Stu_classes.end_date, "W", " ") Nov 18 17:55:27 ooops wrong window Nov 18 17:55:28 that's what I'd say Nov 18 18:03:37 I need someone to please pretty please download reversi from the app catalog and try to play a game. Nov 18 18:04:03 Rick_work: hang on a sec Nov 18 18:04:14 I have four reviews that it hangs after the first move, but not for me. Nov 18 18:04:49 k, I suck at that game...but let's see Nov 18 18:05:29 If you can get past move 1, then you did not have the problem. I don't care if you win. Nov 18 18:05:40 although if you can't beat this ai, you really DO suck at the game. Nov 18 18:06:52 "The game is over, and black wins!" Nov 18 18:06:57 Yah, I know I rock. Nov 18 18:07:51 ok, now on to question 2. Will you do me the favor of putting in a review that says that the app doesn't lock up for you? Nov 18 18:08:31 I only got as far as 19 spaces filled, before I had completely blocked out the computer, and there were no white pieces left. Wasn't even trying. Nov 18 18:08:53 Rick_work, I will hapily post that as a review. Nov 18 18:09:06 lyht the trick is playing carefullly enough that the pre makes it to the end, and you end up with 64 pieces. Nov 18 18:09:12 I've done that about 4 times. Nov 18 18:09:26 62 is easy. 64 is hard. Nov 18 18:09:29 really. Wow. that would be cool. Nov 18 18:14:38 Rick_work, I posted a review. Don't know how soon it will show. Nov 18 18:17:23 they show immediately Nov 18 18:17:41 yu have to exit the app cat and go back in to see them. Nov 18 18:17:58 right Nov 18 18:18:27 weird. still not showing for me. Nov 18 18:32:18 I just posted mine about 3 mins ago...not there yet Nov 18 18:37:25 hey, turns out webOSdev was site of the month in the joomla community in august. just noticed! http://community.joomla.org/showcase/sites-of-the-month.html Nov 18 18:38:57 nice, didn't know it was in joomla Nov 18 18:40:34 yeah Nov 18 18:40:37 oops. meeting time. back later. Nov 18 18:52:27 my Pre ran out of batteries and shut itself off during the night -- I plugged it in this morning and it gave me a giant battery-charging picture, but I don't seem to be able to turn it on while it's in that made... anyone know how to turn it on now? (I just held the power button down.. no cigar) Nov 18 18:56:46 synackfin1: you don't Nov 18 18:57:00 synackfin1: you wait until it has enough juice to breathe some life again Nov 18 18:57:02 i did it once too Nov 18 18:57:02 I have divs that extend down past one page, but then I reposition them higher, but then the scene still scrolls to emptiness…anyone know the easiest way to turn scene-scrolling off? Nov 18 18:57:10 cool battery logo though huh? Nov 18 18:57:12 very dramatic Nov 18 18:57:50 pandora: hmm, I'm just surprised it's not like a laptop which once "plugged in" doesn't worry about battery issues Nov 18 18:58:20 i think its like blackberry, if its dead, you have to charge it a while before you can boot it Nov 18 18:58:56 synackfin1: once it gets to like above 5% or 10% you should be able to turn it back on Nov 18 18:59:07 gkatsev: I see Nov 18 18:59:22 natenrb9: see http://webos101.com/Mojo.Controller.StageController for how to turn off scene scrolling Nov 18 18:59:23 (i am assuming, havent actually tried it) Nov 18 18:59:49 gkatsev: thats about right (i have tried it) Nov 18 18:59:50 but it shouldn't scroll to emptiness anyway. sounds like a css thing. Nov 18 19:00:27 ok, it just makes sense that if it doesnt turn on that it will let you once its above critical Nov 18 19:00:54 incidentist: yeah, I repositioned the divs with css Nov 18 19:01:10 but it still scrolls down to where they would be Nov 18 19:01:15 did you use position: relative Nov 18 19:01:37 yep Nov 18 19:02:41 disableSceneScroller: true, didn't work for it... Nov 18 19:04:07 how come there is no communication on the main developer.palm.com page that an sdk upgrade is available. I didnt know until i came across a rss feed on my yahoo site Nov 18 19:05:31 conspiracy Nov 18 19:05:34 incidentist: any other ideas? Nov 18 19:07:45 has battery drain seemed faster on 1.3.1 to you guys? Nov 18 19:09:53 pandora--: about the same Nov 18 19:10:15 k maybe somethin i'm doing Nov 18 19:12:36 maybe you had gps off before and it got turned on during the update? Nov 18 19:22:09 incidentist: nice! it does work, I had just pasted the code into 1 of 2 links, and I was clicking the link that didn't have the code! Nov 18 19:38:31 One of my suppliers decided to give me a heart attack today: She sent me new price list in excel format. The part I just quoted to a customer came up 50% higher than before. Nov 18 19:38:32 Truns out the excel spreadsheet opened up to their NEMA-rated product (expensive!) instead of the regular one. Nov 18 19:40:13 hello Nov 18 19:41:06 does anyone know what event hanndles a "press down" on the screen? I've used the mojo.event.tap, however what if I want to detect when an element is pressed on (no release)? Nov 18 19:41:09 any suggestions Nov 18 19:44:40 Use the standard dom events. mousedown, I believe it is. Nov 18 19:45:07 'mousedown', 'mouseup', 'mouseover' Nov 18 19:45:23 yep Nov 18 19:45:33 it you watch the logs you will see a gazillion of those Nov 18 19:46:46 when I call .update() on a TextField it disables the widget. does anyone know of a preferred method to update a TextField's value but still allowing the user to edit it? Nov 18 19:46:54 .setValue() doesn't seem to be workinfg Nov 18 19:47:04 and, from what I can gather, it's what the documentation is recommending. Nov 18 19:47:23 ahh great, thanks guys Nov 18 19:48:43 Pre101: did you get my silly 3am email? Nov 18 19:50:45 pete: Have you tried setting the model's value and calling this.controller.modelChanged(this.textfieldModel)? Nov 18 19:50:45 zsoc_wirc: no... Nov 18 19:50:46 I don't think so. Nov 18 19:50:48 oh, speaking of which.... I better make sure my e-mail works at the new site. Nov 18 19:51:24 Pre101: oh. then your email is broked. I totaly sent it Nov 18 19:51:45 Pre101: I hadn't tried that, I'll try that just now. Thanks. Nov 18 19:53:07 Pre101: the biggest issue was onSuccess doesn't happen till the service request is finished. and it doesn't finish till you can hit the stop button. and the stop button isn't pressable until onSuccess. see the issue? xD Nov 18 19:53:42 I made a quick fix but now there's a service issue I gotta take care of Nov 18 19:54:43 IIRC, for dealing with the textfield you needed to add .Mojo before the calls. Nov 18 19:54:43 Pre101: that worked perfectly. thanks for that :) Nov 18 19:54:44 So, you might try $("textfield").mojo.setValue or somesuch. Nov 18 19:55:45 zsoc_wirc: What kind of design is that? :P Nov 18 19:55:45 :) Nov 18 19:56:31 pete: Check out webos101.com and search for the textfield. See if that method is discussed for updating the contents. If not, you might edit it to add that for the next guy. Nov 18 19:56:56 Pre101: I'll look into that Nov 18 20:01:48 Pre101: that's how java services work. the issue is more with the onSuccess definition in js.. for now I just moved the call of that function to before the service call Nov 18 20:03:19 I define this.recipeDB = transport.responseJSON.mexican; in an ajax callback Nov 18 20:03:35 and then use it right after its definition to create another object Nov 18 20:03:53 but when i use it in another function in the same object Nov 18 20:03:53 var mex = this.recipeDB[event.item.name]; Nov 18 20:04:04 i get a this.recipeDB is not defined error Nov 18 20:04:26 its like it disapears Nov 18 20:08:54 zsoc_wirc: Ah, I see what you're saying. I imagined the service would return a success code as soon as the recording -start- were successful. Nov 18 20:10:14 wouldn't you want success on start and complete on finish? Nov 18 20:11:45 Pre101: that's a fair expectation honestly, the problem is it's not a native c service. the stdout/err is also not a live subscription, it dumps it 'onSuccess' :p Nov 18 20:12:53 now I'm having similar issues with the stop function. I'm going to have to revisit the basic functionality and flow of the service Nov 18 20:13:01 m55: is the other function called from a callback? what is the value of "this" within the function that isn't working? Nov 18 20:13:50 yeah i didn't put a bind on that callback, thanks Nov 18 20:14:02 g'dau Nov 18 20:14:04 er Nov 18 20:14:04 day Nov 18 20:14:26 g'afternoon. Nov 18 20:15:13 zsoc_wirc, I'm confused by what you mean the service request doesn't finish... Nov 18 20:16:52 How does Topple Ball do sounds? Nov 18 20:16:56 not an audio object Nov 18 20:16:58 but how? Nov 18 20:17:49 its not using html5 audio tag and playing/pausing it via js? Nov 18 20:17:55 i know thats how zilch does it Nov 18 20:18:08 You can use the audio service in webOS Nov 18 20:18:10 But Nov 18 20:18:16 It is very slow Nov 18 20:18:29 were going back to HTML 5 tags on all of our sound boards Nov 18 20:18:30 Topple ball does something Nov 18 20:18:47 I use new Audio(), etc Nov 18 20:18:50 they use MOJO Audio Framework if its not html5 Nov 18 20:18:50 What else is there? Nov 18 20:19:02 What's the html5 way? Nov 18 20:19:06 You dont need new Audio() Nov 18 20:19:29 http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_audio.asp Nov 18 20:19:38 this.audio = AudioTag.extendElement(this.controller.get('divNameA'),this.controller,file); Nov 18 20:19:51 Thats closed source so if u use it its 5 Nov 18 20:19:54 ;) Nov 18 20:19:56 jk Nov 18 20:20:28 What is the BEST way to do it? Nov 18 20:20:45 CTLadvance-work: is Topple Ball yours? Nov 18 20:20:54 nope Nov 18 20:21:00 oh Nov 18 20:21:06 the cool thing about the video and audio tags in html5 is that in the video tag, you could add a link to the ogg or h.264 file and a youtube embed and if it supports the ogg/h.264 that will play, otherwise it will use the youtube embed Nov 18 20:21:09 I have several soundboards Nov 18 20:21:12 when is the full version coming out…that game is sweet! Nov 18 20:21:15 and if they arent using the html 5 tag Nov 18 20:21:27 then the only other way IO know of is Audio service Nov 18 20:21:39 what game? Nov 18 20:21:46 they did an amazing job on the accelerometer sensitivity Nov 18 20:21:54 Topple Ball Nov 18 20:21:55 ah Nov 18 20:21:56 ok Nov 18 20:21:59 lol Nov 18 20:22:33 I thought you had pulled that code from it? Nov 18 20:23:31 anyone know who did Topple Ball? Nov 18 20:23:48 we need the full version out already! Nov 18 20:26:54 Is adora here? Nov 18 20:27:02 or watching I mean Nov 18 20:27:15 is there a way to get an alphabetical Nov 18 20:27:22 CTLAdvance-work: what's up? Nov 18 20:27:26 quick jump type row like you have on the iphone Nov 18 20:27:31 for lists Nov 18 20:28:31 like this Nov 18 20:28:31 http://www.iphoneworld.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/iphone-imatrix2.png Nov 18 20:29:16 that bubble game uses audioPool Nov 18 20:31:08 m55 that's a list with alphabetical dividers, Nov 18 20:31:15 no big deal. Pretty standard list. Nov 18 20:31:24 m55, i have not used an iphone, but are you talking about the small letters on the right? So if you click on one of those, it jumps to that location in the list? Nov 18 20:31:31 yeah exactly Nov 18 20:32:08 You could probably build something like that easily enough. Just float a div over the list, build a handler for it, and have the event auto scroll to the spot in the list Nov 18 20:32:45 m55: music remix put one it Nov 18 20:32:52 put one in Nov 18 20:33:06 theres no mention of audioPool in the docs or in the forums, but it appears to play mp3s (bubble game uses a mp3 for the click sound) Nov 18 20:34:20 The audio Service will play mp3's Nov 18 20:35:04 this doesnt appear to be a service, but a function Nov 18 20:36:22 heres the code snip i pulled out awhile back Nov 18 20:36:23 http://pastebin.com/m67f9ee46 Nov 18 20:36:25 natenrb9: That guy was in here yesterday, I think Nov 18 20:36:37 pre101: cool Nov 18 20:37:00 pre101: I'll try another day… I'm just excited for the full version of Topple Ball Nov 18 20:38:00 well i'm off on my trip to WI, ill try and pop in when i get the chance Nov 18 20:38:03 How is sound synchronization working in 1.3.1? Pretty much the same as before? Nov 18 20:38:08 natenrb9, me too. That is a nice little game. Nov 18 20:39:20 So here's a tought one…I have a scene that I don't want scrolling (used disableSceneScroller to turn it off), but I do have 1 div on the scene that I do want scrolling in (and it is set up and working)…but with the disableSceneScroller it turns off. Any ideas on how to have the full scene scrolling off, but the div on…? Nov 18 20:39:22 dawm_, it is referencing a whole class... Nov 18 20:39:36 lyht: yeah, the full version is going to be cool Nov 18 20:39:39 Tim Carrol (freakout) is a recourse on the webOS wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebOS Nov 18 20:40:07 has anyone had issues with 1.3.1 killing the app if a function takes 10 seconds? Nov 18 20:40:27 kesne-school: I noticed that awhile back. (Two l's in Carroll, by the by :p) Nov 18 20:40:30 well not the app but just stopping the function? Nov 18 20:40:40 freakout: like I care Nov 18 20:40:52 kense-school: pity it makes no sense, what they're linking to isn't a real citation. i could think of plenty of better ones ;) Nov 18 20:41:05 and screw you. punk kid Nov 18 20:41:08 :p Nov 18 20:41:24 :D Nov 18 20:41:40 thats not nice! Nov 18 20:42:02 harden up princess Nov 18 20:42:27 ugh Nov 18 20:42:30 I feel sick Nov 18 20:42:35 Oh, and I have a pixi Nov 18 20:42:35 :P Nov 18 20:46:41 Whos a Pixi? Nov 18 20:46:56 I haz a pixi Nov 18 20:46:59 so sleek and sexy Nov 18 20:47:02 like tim's.... Nov 18 20:47:52 Nevermind on my long question about scrolling if anyone was looking into it…my problem was caused by something else Nov 18 20:51:45 If there is a soundboardthat is activated and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? Nov 18 20:53:17 ctladvance-work: oh man... Nov 18 20:53:18 how can it be activated if there is no one there to hear it? Nov 18 20:53:45 lets say it uses the timer service Nov 18 20:56:28 meth Nov 18 20:56:45 kesne, SHUT UP ABOUT THE METH! Nov 18 20:56:49 :) Nov 18 20:56:55 you use it too Nov 18 20:57:03 not the point Nov 18 20:57:05 how do you think I stay up late to program? Nov 18 20:57:07 meth Nov 18 20:57:17 freakout also helps me ;) Nov 18 20:57:41 You sit there starring at a picture of your main gf Nov 18 20:57:51 ;) Nov 18 20:57:54 whats the easiet way to use the default icons like palm-menu-icon.info ? i can seem to get the class to work. Nov 18 20:57:54 LOL Nov 18 20:58:27 We need a Mojo.your.mom api for your mom jokes Nov 18 20:58:49 AGREE! Nov 18 20:58:54 Or a meth app Nov 18 20:59:08 IM ON METH! for WebOS Nov 18 20:59:26 What would an IM ON METH! app do? Nov 18 20:59:40 Uh Nov 18 21:00:03 a run timer Nov 18 21:00:05 record how much youve used after a certain period of time? Nov 18 21:00:07 BEcause you want to run Nov 18 21:00:08 A lot Nov 18 21:00:16 oy Nov 18 21:01:31 It should go BEEP BOOP BOP BEEP Nov 18 21:01:37 that should suffice Nov 18 21:01:58 a log of your meth use, recipe for meth, tips on how to make the best meth, location based service to tell you the closest place to buy meth, graph of the avg meth price (1 day, 3 days, 1 week, month, year, all-time) Nov 18 21:02:33 and that's just version 1.0 Nov 18 21:02:42 dont forget the meth thoughts of the moment with an app called tweaker Nov 18 21:03:10 How much would a meth user payfor such an app do you think? Nov 18 21:03:21 Yes tweaker Nov 18 21:03:22 oh, with twitter integration Nov 18 21:03:38 It posts to your twitter "I'm On Meth!" Nov 18 21:04:04 We need a bt brain reading module so the phone can track without relying on you Nov 18 21:04:09 it can have standard phrases for twittering like: Nov 18 21:04:22 i just sold my moms (blank) for meth.. Nov 18 21:04:25 probably best to give them a free lite version, and wait till they come back for more to sell the full version! Nov 18 21:04:47 The issue is that so many tweets would e sent as so much stuff goes through a meth users head Nov 18 21:04:49 nice Nov 18 21:05:19 Yeah - but we need like Meth trial, Meth 1/8th gram Nov 18 21:05:24 Meth 1/4 gram Nov 18 21:05:32 and increment the price at once Nov 18 21:05:48 LOL Nov 18 21:05:50 WE NEED TO DO THAT Nov 18 21:05:51 why are we wasting time discussing Meth? Nov 18 21:05:52 srsly Nov 18 21:05:54 who started this Nov 18 21:06:05 Uh Nov 18 21:06:05 me? Nov 18 21:06:18 it was kesne-school Nov 18 21:06:22 the new code word for meth should be meh Nov 18 21:06:27 who needs the t Nov 18 21:06:28 it's always kesne Nov 18 21:06:31 i asked a serious question b4 but u guys didnt see Nov 18 21:06:35 It is always me Nov 18 21:06:38 So, I'm on meh right now Nov 18 21:06:45 feeling like more meh would be good Nov 18 21:06:56 bmyers - you mean you stole your moms blank for meth? Nov 18 21:06:57 Leon: I like it! Nov 18 21:07:10 Im so meh right now Nov 18 21:07:11 bmyers, no idea on the default icons. Nov 18 21:07:16 bmyers: I think you have to copy the damn graphics into your app Nov 18 21:07:23 use it like meh but it really means meh Nov 18 21:07:38 yeah thats what I have seen so far Nov 18 21:07:45 its all in the refcode folders Nov 18 21:08:18 I need to get back to work Nov 18 21:13:57 Are there any sample code available for passing parameters of driving directions to Google Maps? On the page of http://developer.palm.com/index.php?opt ... le&id=1685, it states Nov 18 21:13:57 "Optional. Well-formed expression complying with the Google Map Parameters specification. The options include at least address, lat/lon, location and business search, or driving directions." Nov 18 21:13:57 that means the query can be for driving directions, but just no sample codes. Any help will be greatly appreciated! Nov 18 21:22:37 xinhangshen: google is your friend http://mapki.com/wiki/Google_Map_Parameters Nov 18 21:22:46 xinhangshen: you owe me 10 seconds Nov 18 21:22:47 ;) Nov 18 21:24:29 i have a list of javascript objects with a name attribute, is there a quick filter method this situation? Nov 18 21:24:30 pandora--: lmgtfy.com/?q=query replace query by w/e you want with + instead of spaces. :) Nov 18 21:25:05 (by the name attribute) Nov 18 21:25:19 gkatsev: lol love it Nov 18 21:25:41 gkatsev: i also love that i searched bacon on that to test it, and got boobs Nov 18 21:25:54 gkatsev: i'll have to remember that site hehehe Nov 18 21:31:18 i think i will alias that in irssi Nov 18 21:31:57 ./alias lmgtfy say lmtgfy.com/?q=$* Nov 18 21:32:15 this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.applicationManager', { Nov 18 21:32:15 method: 'launch', Nov 18 21:32:15 parameters: { Nov 18 21:32:15 id:"com.palm.app.maps", Nov 18 21:32:15 params:"{"query":"from 43,-79 to 42.,-76"} Nov 18 21:32:15 } Nov 18 21:32:17 } Nov 18 21:32:19 }); Nov 18 21:32:25 lmtgfy.com/?q=bacon Nov 18 21:32:42 live.lmgtfy.com is pretty interesting Nov 18 21:33:10 I tried the above code for driving directions, but it doesn't work. Nov 18 21:33:38 but not as much as http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/searchspy/qcat=Web/_iceUrlFlag=11?_IceUrl=true Nov 18 21:33:42 pandora--: hehe, didnt know that existed Nov 18 21:33:46 (uncheck the adult flag. trust me) Nov 18 21:33:53 it gets really interesting then Nov 18 21:34:11 ah, yeah, ive seen the dogpile one Nov 18 21:34:19 mmmmnasty Nov 18 21:34:21 lol, jizzhut Nov 18 21:34:24 lol Nov 18 21:35:24 ah, "omit adult terms" is enabled. so far saw at least 3 Nov 18 21:35:36 hahh Nov 18 21:35:46 there's some weird shit people look for Nov 18 21:35:48 for a list model, is it possible to just give a list of strings and just display the string value in the listitem.html template somehow? Nov 18 21:35:52 jizzhut being one of them, im assuming Nov 18 21:36:18 sexalligator.com ??? Nov 18 21:36:27 * Mousey clicks Nov 18 21:36:28 not even going to look Nov 18 21:36:34 Mousey: what is it??? Nov 18 21:36:36 hey get this nastytalk outa here Nov 18 21:36:39 holy Nov 18 21:36:42 you can go to #tweens Nov 18 21:36:42 lol Nov 18 21:36:54 you coulda PUT NSFW! Nov 18 21:37:00 <_< Nov 18 21:37:01 >_> Nov 18 21:37:07 lol Nov 18 21:37:08 * Mousey claws eyes out Nov 18 21:37:15 CTLAdvance-work: heh sorry, just watching a feed of the nasty crap people search for on search engines Nov 18 21:37:17 what is it? Nov 18 21:37:31 its worse than you might think Nov 18 21:37:32 Mousey: doh! if you read the context of that, you wouldn't have clicked Nov 18 21:37:41 all i saw was url Nov 18 21:37:44 Mousey: people having sex with alligators? Nov 18 21:37:45 ooo url! click Nov 18 21:37:48 lol Nov 18 21:37:53 gkatsev: srsly, don't click Nov 18 21:37:58 gotta read the context of the url being posted Nov 18 21:37:59 i cant. at work Nov 18 21:38:05 * sugardave needs to figure out a way to send ad links to Mousey. Nov 18 21:38:08 and it had SEX in the url, what more NSFW do you need? Nov 18 21:38:08 haha Nov 18 21:38:14 bah Nov 18 21:38:18 what is it? Nov 18 21:38:24 Mousey: jizzhut.com Nov 18 21:38:27 i'm at work... at my house, but i'm still not clicking Nov 18 21:38:27 man wtf Nov 18 21:38:31 * Mousey doesn't click Nov 18 21:38:33 actually, dont know what the url was Nov 18 21:38:35 fool me once, blah blah blah Nov 18 21:38:37 goatse.com Nov 18 21:38:39 lol Nov 18 21:38:44 that's goatse.cx Nov 18 21:38:45 hahahaha Nov 18 21:38:49 as tempted as I am to click, let's please keep things in here at least arguably work safe =] Nov 18 21:38:51 Mousey: lol, it was a term that someone search for on dotpile Nov 18 21:39:05 Thats what I was just telling them Nov 18 21:39:05 Mousey: we're watching this http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/searchspy/qcat=Web/_iceUrlFlag=11?_IceUrl=true Nov 18 21:39:11 they can goto the #tweens channel Nov 18 21:39:12 that's where these weird terms are coming from Nov 18 21:39:12 Adora: sorry. dogpile searchspy is just so amusing Nov 18 21:39:21 i don't even think they were that old Nov 18 21:39:22 or webos-watercooler Nov 18 21:39:24 Adora: y'all will have to scrub the logs now Nov 18 21:39:38 is there a #webos-watercooler? Nov 18 21:39:41 im not that young! im not a tween Nov 18 21:39:42 yes Nov 18 21:39:44 CTLAdvance-work: yes Nov 18 21:39:46 its awesome Nov 18 21:39:50 join it Nov 18 21:39:50 nice Nov 18 21:39:51 Adora: agreed, my mistake, it started innocent, but then the searchengine (dogpile) got nasty Nov 18 21:40:20 pandora--: no worries, morbid curiosity gets the better of all of us sometimes Nov 18 21:40:30 mousey in this case Nov 18 21:40:32 :P Nov 18 21:40:36 lol Nov 18 21:41:08 i wish this was an rss feed Nov 18 21:41:50 lol Nov 18 21:42:36 "What drug is nicknamed louies"? Nov 18 21:42:37 Mousey: what, dogpile? Nov 18 21:42:39 Good question. Nov 18 21:46:27 pandora--: yah Nov 18 21:59:12 yo yo.wirc works? Nov 18 21:59:26 yep. works. Nov 18 21:59:38 cool! Nov 18 21:59:52 how dorky is that? Nov 18 22:00:28 what? that you are irc-ing from your phone? Nov 18 22:00:46 yeah. Nov 18 22:01:01 nice job guys. Nov 18 22:01:09 Dremel: -> #wirc Nov 18 22:01:48 My sister has been wanting an irc client on her phone so she could chat with friends about sewing. Nov 18 22:02:00 there's dorky for ya. Nov 18 22:02:11 will do Nov 18 22:02:26 ls Nov 18 22:02:34 whoops. wrong window Nov 18 22:05:59 hey dd Nov 18 22:06:04 *d00d Nov 18 22:26:47 is there something preventing the development of full featured apps on the Pre? Nov 18 22:29:53 Define Full featured Nov 18 22:31:08 like a video player that can play everything Nov 18 22:31:13 Deihmos: apis Nov 18 22:32:01 does palm prevent access to some of the phone resources Nov 18 22:32:28 Deihmos: of course, everybody does Nov 18 22:32:58 so a video player is out of the picture then Nov 18 22:33:22 I read there isn't access to something Nov 18 22:34:25 A video player for what? Nov 18 22:34:28 And the mic Nov 18 22:35:30 because the default player can't play anything but mp4 Nov 18 22:35:37 is dro0_ here? Nov 18 22:36:07 Deihmos: ah, that requires some codecs or something, which is deeper programming Nov 18 22:36:41 the palm os had video players that could play everything Nov 18 22:36:48 Would make a good root app though Nov 18 22:37:53 if the pre added wma and xvid support that would make my day Nov 18 22:38:28 Why not convert it? Nov 18 22:38:35 also the ability to sync properly with windows media player would be great Nov 18 22:39:12 that's what I have to do. would be great to not have to convert Nov 18 22:42:45 wirc is pretty good Nov 18 22:51:39 i close my twitter apps window but it's still running Nov 18 22:51:51 how do i actually stop the app (tweed)? Nov 18 22:56:00 Anybody know what calls wpa_supplicant and what parameters it uses? Nov 18 22:56:32 Or how to configure wpa_supplicant or PmWiFiService? Nov 18 22:56:34 anyone figured out what's up with yahoo messenger in the new update? Nov 18 22:58:14 I want to set the default EAP type to PEAP instead of TTLS so it will talk to my work network via the GUI. Right now I have a modified /tmp/.wap_supplicant.conf. iwconfig and dhclient talk directly to my network, but the WiFi manager pane in Luna doesn't recognize it as being connected to the network. Nov 18 23:02:25 silentchild: hm, havent tried it Nov 18 23:02:32 silentchild: something wrong with it? Nov 18 23:03:05 yeah, it doesn't work for the greater portion of pre owners Nov 18 23:05:16 hm, just tried it Nov 18 23:05:18 i guess i'm a lucky one Nov 18 23:05:19 works fine Nov 18 23:06:18 yahoo messenger with 1.3.1? not the messaging plugin by greg_roll? Nov 18 23:06:30 yeah stock 1.3.1 messenger Nov 18 23:07:13 interesting. I'll see the doctor then Nov 18 23:09:59 It works fine with almsot all users Nov 18 23:10:35 s/almsot/almost Nov 18 23:14:14 perhaps.. I think not so good for those who used the messaging plugin by greg Nov 18 23:14:25 and upgraded Nov 18 23:16:08 silentchild: yahoo messanger works AS LONG AS you first add an email yahoo account. Nov 18 23:16:16 once you do that, it'll allow you to login in yahoo IM. Nov 18 23:16:56 I c Nov 18 23:17:16 ok, well I still need to doctor but thanks Nov 18 23:17:28 (you can then remove it from contacts/calendar/email if you want to.. it keeps working after..) Nov 18 23:30:02 grr, and me without my banstick Nov 18 23:30:11 * Adora hits up dkirker Nov 18 23:30:44 hi Adora Nov 18 23:31:04 oh, hello Adora! Nov 18 23:31:12 hahah Nov 18 23:31:37 whats a ban stick for Nov 18 23:31:44 hitting people!! :P Nov 18 23:31:49 nice Nov 18 23:31:51 *thwamp* Nov 18 23:31:55 yes Nov 18 23:31:58 and making them go away Nov 18 23:31:59 oooh. Adora and a ban stick. Nov 18 23:32:03 thank you sir may I have another? Nov 18 23:32:28 kids... in my day it was called the rancid salmon of contrition Nov 18 23:32:29 chuqui: that's Mrs. Sir to you, tyvm Nov 18 23:32:36 Mrs. Sir can I have another? Nov 18 23:32:37 hi chuqui Nov 18 23:33:05 can you use that ban stick on my acct manager =] who doesnt answer emails Nov 18 23:33:19 oh, dkirker != dkirker-calpoly Nov 18 23:33:31 * Adora adjusts her query window Nov 18 23:33:36 but, irl they do!! Nov 18 23:34:35 three words Nov 18 23:34:38 tin foil balls Nov 18 23:35:24 CTLAdvance-work: you watch it now Nov 18 23:35:28 thems fightin words Nov 18 23:35:48 * CTLAdvance-work cowers Nov 18 23:36:50 * CTLAdvance-work tosses tin foil ball across irc Nov 18 23:36:57 * Adora pounces! Nov 18 23:38:09 man, I'm starving Nov 18 23:38:14 * Adora makes pie Nov 18 23:38:23 * CTLAdvance-work mmm pie Nov 18 23:38:50 I have pie at home... if I can just finish fixing this dumb computer! Nov 18 23:39:17 on advice of intelligent friends, I've been trying an intermittent fast Nov 18 23:39:27 and today's one of my eat days, but I have no food Nov 18 23:39:45 why are you fasting? Nov 18 23:40:04 it's suppose to help your poop.. Nov 18 23:40:31 ok Nov 18 23:40:39 i read it somewhere.. Nov 18 23:40:39 log drop Nov 18 23:41:06 CTLAdvance-work: chain reaction of hormones and chemical stuff that causes weight loss Nov 18 23:41:29 I'm so close I can...observe it with one of my five senses. Nov 18 23:41:45 in a different way than daily calorie deficiency Nov 18 23:41:45 Also, mmm pie. Nov 18 23:42:18 one high nutrient normal day, followed by one minimal calorie day Nov 18 23:42:23 If you dont get enough calories usually it is harder to lose weight, the intermitent part must be why that helps Nov 18 23:42:32 CTLAdvance-work: yeah, exactly Nov 18 23:42:37 I see Nov 18 23:42:42 Okay so...my mission is to write a patch or config for PmWiFiService to allow the user to set the authentication method. Nov 18 23:42:53 I'd link to more details, but all that's saved on Adora|Home Nov 18 23:43:18 np I may need to loose a few but dont think ill be fasting anytime soon Nov 18 23:43:48 pie over hunger Nov 18 23:43:56 adora, you're supposed to fast on fasting days, not eating days. Nov 18 23:44:14 she said today was an eating day Nov 18 23:44:19 chuqui: I know, I suck at this =[ Nov 18 23:44:20 Fast, eat, it's all the same. Nov 18 23:44:54 chuq can you poke theman for me? Nov 18 23:45:01 Like I'm an example someone should use as a role model.... Nov 18 23:45:03 Pretty Pwease Nov 18 23:45:04 TheMan? Nov 18 23:45:21 Who is that, Jon Rubenstein? Nov 18 23:45:25 chuq otter know who it is, we discussed this earlier Nov 18 23:45:38 =] Nov 18 23:45:49 I wish Nov 18 23:46:31 he is Mr. Big Nov 18 23:46:39 chuqui: well I'm already going to get your same hairstyle Nov 18 23:46:49 nice Nov 18 23:46:59 what, balding? Nov 18 23:47:05 not a good look on you. Nov 18 23:48:06 oh, it'll be great! Nov 18 23:48:10 I have way too much hair, anyway Nov 18 23:48:15 it'll save so much time Nov 18 23:48:59 Pft. Nov 18 23:49:07 I like my caveman look. Nov 18 23:49:16 Here is chuq Nov 18 23:49:18 http://twitpic.com/f8nk6 Nov 18 23:50:15 can ask an off topic ? about webos? Nov 18 23:50:33 off topic about webos Nov 18 23:50:34 * Adora grins Nov 18 23:50:36 whats the easiet way to use the default icons like palm-menu-icon.info ? i cant seem to get the class to work. Nov 18 23:50:38 god, google finds everything. Nov 18 23:50:43 don't let us distract you, go ahead Nov 18 23:51:07 maybe I need to spend more time in #webos-watercooler after all... Nov 18 23:51:22 do you have to copy it from the SDK folder to your own app images dir? Nov 18 23:54:28 aaaaaand the channel grinds to a halt =] Nov 18 23:54:34 CTLAdvance-work, do you know? Nov 18 23:54:35 bmyers_here: I thought there was a way to pull out the standard icons but it's escaping me. Nov 18 23:54:44 with a div class? Nov 18 23:54:52 (sorry to poop the party Adora..) Nov 18 23:54:55 Weve put them directly in the app images folder Nov 18 23:54:55 well, of course the channel halted. it tried to go on topic. that's against the rules. Nov 18 23:56:31 I'm alive. Nov 18 23:56:42 YAAAWWWWNNNNN..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui/4062470757/ Nov 18 23:57:10 there are .palm-menu-icon.something classes in global-menus.css but i cant seem to get that to work. Nov 18 23:57:40 does the partial erase reinstall your apps on reboot Nov 18 23:57:40 ? Nov 18 23:57:40 let me see if we used the classes directly Nov 18 23:57:41 Awwwwwww. Nov 18 23:57:43 That's cute. Nov 18 23:58:13 new hubble pictures from otter space? Nov 18 23:58:31 That was AWFUL. Nov 18 23:58:36 You otter be ashamed. Nov 18 23:58:38 yeah. i know.. Nov 18 23:58:40 O Nov 18 23:58:41 hahahahaha Nov 18 23:58:50 self portrait: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui/4062042251/ Nov 18 23:59:25 bless his heart, he looks like he just woke up Nov 18 23:59:32 seriously. Nov 18 23:59:38 And chuq disappeared. Nov 19 00:00:24 he did just wake up. and yawned, and rolled over and went back to sleep. the exciting life of a nature photographer: an hour of watching snoring otters for five minutes of taking photos. Nov 19 00:00:27 Heh. Nov 19 00:00:30 @#$@#%#$^%#$#@$@ Colloquy; there's one key sequence for closing connections I keep tripping over. Nov 19 00:01:29 bmyers what are you trying to do with the icons Nov 19 00:02:13 use one in a DIV to make a button Nov 19 00:02:29 You keep typing /quit? Nov 19 00:02:34 Or /dc? Nov 19 00:02:58 AtomicPlayboy: I think he's doing /disco Nov 19 00:03:12 * AtomicPlayboy goes John Travolta on your ass. Nov 19 00:03:58 no, I keep hitting cmd-w and it closes the open connection, because I'm trying to close another app's window and don't notice I haven't changed contexts. It's fumble finger on my part, but annoying. Nov 19 00:04:13 Yeah I do that too. Nov 19 00:04:30 I go to close a chat window in Adium and wind up closing my browser. Nov 19 00:05:00 And of course, Q and W are right next to each other, so that's all kinds of fun there. Nov 19 00:06:05
Nov 19 00:06:11 Just add them into your app img folder and add an img tag into the div Nov 19 00:06:51 doesnt the stuff in global*.css get included? Nov 19 00:07:21 That I am not sure of Nov 19 00:07:45 oh well. i'll just copy it for now i guess.. Nov 19 00:07:51 thanks for your help Nov 19 00:09:20 I got some patches I can't update or remove, from preware any idea? Nov 19 00:09:40 Bsims: Have you tried #webos-internals? Nov 19 00:09:55 no answer there Nov 19 00:09:59 Never mind, I see you in there. Nov 19 00:10:02 and I even tried rebooting too Nov 19 00:10:27 smeg... I installed the update without thinking to remove the patches Nov 19 00:10:48 bmyers - I can play around with those later, but just in case they arent have you tried including that in your index or sorces.json? Nov 19 00:15:08 Bsims: Hook it up to a computer with webOS QuickInstall. Nov 19 00:15:18 Re-install Preware and Package Manager. Nov 19 00:15:25 Then you can run EPR. Nov 19 00:15:56 its downloading now Nov 19 00:16:02 Okay. Nov 19 00:16:17 including the global*.css in my sources.json you mean? Nov 19 00:16:19 http://install.preware.org Nov 19 00:16:20 And my bad, should have posted that in internals, forgot which channel was which. Nov 19 00:16:36 nice job on the preware. finally got it installed.. Nov 19 00:16:40 sweet.. Nov 19 00:17:11 so how do I run it AtomicPlayboy Nov 19 00:17:13 AtomicPlayboy, also the preferred way of installing Preware is with a Preware Installer Nov 19 00:18:09 There's a Preware Installer now? Nov 19 00:18:38 AtomicPlayboy, get.preware.com - has been for awhile Nov 19 00:18:53 I did not know this. I am apparently ignorant. Nov 19 00:19:27 "Link appears to be broken." Nov 19 00:19:30 er, get.preware.org Nov 19 00:19:30 sorry Nov 19 00:19:32 Ah. Nov 19 00:19:42 It does not make you ignorant :) Nov 19 00:19:46 There is a lot to know these days. Nov 19 00:19:52 This is true. Nov 19 00:20:10 zsoc, AtomicPlayboy: the instructions at http://install.preware.org are the easiest for new users. Nov 19 00:20:43 rwhitby, personally i'm intimidated by long forum posts ;) Nov 19 00:21:32 I've used QI for everything until Preware became available. I think QI is rather easy. Nov 19 00:21:35 but that's just me. Nov 19 00:22:26 AtomicPlayboy, I have nothing against wosqi :) Nov 19 00:31:58 Is Eclipse 3.2.2 uh... too old? Nov 19 00:32:52 Adora: I love the mask. Nov 19 00:33:03 heheh, thanks Nov 19 00:33:17 I lucked out and found it at an awesome local costume store just hours before the party Nov 19 00:33:23 Heh, cool. Nov 19 00:33:30 Fellow cat-lover even. :P Nov 19 00:33:34 like, a real costume store, not one of those fly by night halloween shops Nov 19 00:33:40 Ah. Nov 19 00:33:49 yeah, doesn't look like a Party City mask. Nov 19 00:36:08 ARGH. Nov 19 00:36:13 This is annoying me. Nov 19 00:52:17 Screw you guys, I'm goin' home. Nov 19 00:53:17 * AtomicPlayboy will be back. Be afraid. Nov 19 00:56:44 so did 131 break komodo plugin? I cant send to the device... Nov 19 01:03:42 Adora: You around? Nov 19 01:03:53 yeah, what's up? Nov 19 01:07:10 * Adora pokes Pre101 Nov 19 01:08:24 Adora! Evening!!! Nov 19 01:08:35 heya rick Nov 19 01:10:19 Adora: Sent to you directly. Nov 19 01:10:19 Adora: Did you receive the direct message? Nov 19 01:10:51 Pre101: and replied =] Nov 19 01:10:59 Adora: i need your Palm power Nov 19 01:11:04 Hehehehe.. no, not in that way. Nov 19 01:11:08 oh dear, that sounds awful Nov 19 01:11:15 Yes, yes it really really does1 Nov 19 01:11:52 Can you find out how long it takes between a release of an update to when all users should be forcibly updated? Nov 19 01:12:08 In other words, how long before the 1.2.1 folks have been forced into 1.3.1. Nov 19 01:12:24 How often does the updater check in automatically? Nov 19 01:13:15 from my understanding on the user side, the check for updates functionality is fairly regular Nov 19 01:13:35 Can you define "fairly regular"? Nov 19 01:13:38 I got mine on sunday, and I haven't heard reports of people still waiting for the notification Nov 19 01:13:38 Daily? Nov 19 01:13:43 daily, at least Nov 19 01:13:54 So once it checks, Palm forces the download. Nov 19 01:14:03 Then Palm forces install on 2nd or 3rd charge? Nov 19 01:14:03 but the user still has the option to decline Nov 19 01:14:09 Oh. Nov 19 01:14:20 So it's still an "option" to update? Nov 19 01:14:22 and when the phone is plugged in, the update message appears again Nov 19 01:14:24 not required? Nov 19 01:14:30 Right Nov 19 01:14:30 and it'll auto start in 10 minutes Nov 19 01:14:44 but on the 3rd go, its automatic, regardless, right? Nov 19 01:15:06 only if charge is more than 30% Nov 19 01:15:09 not from my experience, but 90% of that is using QA roms Nov 19 01:15:09 So, you just have to make sure when you plug it in to cancel. If not, it'll get ya. Nov 19 01:15:17 if you keep your charge below 30% forever, it will never update Nov 19 01:15:26 lol Nov 19 01:15:29 so there could possibly be a flipped bit to change behavior, but I don't think so Nov 19 01:15:31 who keeps their phone below 30%? Nov 19 01:15:36 at least that's what I heard Nov 19 01:15:42 dBsooner: everyone? =P Nov 19 01:16:10 Adora: I guess I better get on bored. Nov 19 01:16:15 board* Nov 19 01:16:20 I'm at 27%, 97% (just unplugged it), and 100% (been plugged in all day) Nov 19 01:16:21 Adora: did you ever find out what your problem was with "FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE" Nov 19 01:16:23 ? Nov 19 01:16:43 bmyers_here: yeah, rwhitby helped me move my email Nov 19 01:16:53 now I can install ALL THE APPS IN THE WORLD Nov 19 01:17:07 (i.e. the ones in Preware ;-) Nov 19 01:17:10 or at least, umm Nov 19 01:17:19 Adora: Palm use exchange? Nov 19 01:17:19 i deleted a bunch of stuff and still get the msg Nov 19 01:18:10 * Adora shakes the hamster wheels running the AC Nov 19 01:18:19 386 Nov 19 01:18:24 Well rwhitby, I guess we would have to email Chuq or someone "in the know" to find out how long it would take for "most" 1.2.1's to be forced into 1.3.1.. Nov 19 01:18:27 plus the ones in preware Nov 19 01:18:32 minus the duplicates Nov 19 01:19:05 dBsooner: why do you need to know? Nov 19 01:19:10 I mean don't get me wrong, Adora is definitely "in the know", but we need a more definitive answer. Nov 19 01:19:20 The AC???? Nov 19 01:19:24 dBsooner: based on our knowledge, I think we can assume that anyone who still has updating enabled has been updated Nov 19 01:19:25 good God woman, Nov 19 01:19:31 Oh yeah, she's in California. :( Nov 19 01:19:31 Plus, her good looks make up for any lack of knowledge. Nov 19 01:19:34 dBsooner: What I've done is implemented a check within the program itself. Nov 19 01:19:38 rick_home: 42degC here today Nov 19 01:19:39 AC = app catalog Nov 19 01:19:50 oh Nov 19 01:19:52 ok Nov 19 01:19:53 sorry, we type that a lot around here and came up with some shorthand =] Nov 19 01:20:16 It's 40 F here. 4 C. = chilly Nov 19 01:20:24 it's like what's his name yesterday with his IPKG Service abbreviation. Nov 19 01:20:34 He called it PMS = Package Manager Service Nov 19 01:20:37 rwhitby: I agree that that's probably accurate Nov 19 01:20:38 dBsooner: I have an ajax request that just returns the current version number. If the version number doesn't match the app version number, the main menu changes to include an "An Update is Available" item. Nov 19 01:20:39 oooops Nov 19 01:20:49 reality9110: This isn't for a program. Nov 19 01:20:50 but if you guys do need really accurate info, chuq can give a better answer than I can Nov 19 01:21:01 Oh...well then...forget it. Nov 19 01:21:05 reality9110: :) Nov 19 01:21:27 42 C rwhitby! Nov 19 01:21:32 reality9110: We @ webOS-Internals are trying to decide if we should continue to update the 1.2.1 patches feed or not. Nov 19 01:21:43 Ouch. We will have, perhaps as many as 3 days in the summer that hit 42. Wow. Nov 19 01:21:50 dBsooner: ahh Nov 19 01:21:51 Adora, you missed my "smooth compliment" Nov 19 01:22:26 keep in mind that different markets may be on different update schedules Nov 19 01:22:45 Adora: but all Sprint markets should be on 1.3.1 by now? Nov 19 01:22:52 such as canada and the uk Nov 19 01:22:57 yep Nov 19 01:22:58 s/may be/are/ Nov 19 01:23:00 right, but Sprint is on 1.3.1.. Nov 19 01:23:14 and i "think" BellMo is on 1.3.1 as well. Nov 19 01:23:22 which those two were the only two on 1.2.1 Nov 19 01:23:28 UK/world is on 1.1.3 Nov 19 01:24:13 I'd definitely run this by chuq Nov 19 01:24:30 chuq's a 4 o'clocker huh? Nov 19 01:24:44 nah, he was out at 5 Nov 19 01:24:45 dBsooner: Aren't you monitoring # of requests by OS version? Nov 19 01:25:16 Pre101: rwhitby has the logs Nov 19 01:25:24 if you eat too much iced-cream, can you freeze to death? Nov 19 01:25:24 Pre101: he would know that. Not I. Nov 19 01:25:41 Adora: call him at home. Tell him he's needed. :D Nov 19 01:25:51 rick_home: yeah, it's a hot one today Nov 19 01:25:59 instead, I'm thinking I should head home, too Nov 19 01:26:04 boo Nov 19 01:26:15 I'm freezing (even without the Air Conditioner, ha) Nov 19 01:26:17 Pre101: good idea to monitor requests Nov 19 01:26:17 and starving Nov 19 01:26:28 rwhitby: can you parse the feed logs and see how many 1.2.1's have been hit in the last 48 hours? Nov 19 01:26:55 rwhitby, Eclipse is actually very intuitive. I went from not knowing a thing to being able to build a java project with custom libraries in under 45 minutes (with a little help here and then) Nov 19 01:27:19 I mean .. at 6mbit/sec average usage, I am sure the logs are massive.. but still. Nov 19 01:28:03 Adora: But your in San fran. Nov 19 01:28:19 Adora: oh yeah.. that's up north.. it's colder up there. Nov 19 01:28:21 freezing! Nov 19 01:28:22 dBsooner: 91484 since Nov 15 Nov 19 01:28:26 I'm also super cold natured Nov 19 01:28:32 I keep a blanket at my desk Nov 19 01:28:36 rwhitby: compared to 1.3.1? Nov 19 01:28:47 anyway, I'm outie 5000 Nov 19 01:28:50 \o_ Nov 19 01:28:50 Adora: got one of them little space heaters? Nov 19 01:29:03 dBsooner: 1462 on 19 Nov Nov 19 01:29:08 dBsooner: those are usually banned in corp offices Nov 19 01:29:18 Adora: not ours. :D Nov 19 01:29:21 Is compressing a java executable dangerous in a webos runtime environment? Nov 19 01:29:29 dBsooner: 8027 for 1.3.1 on 19 Nov Nov 19 01:29:39 rwhitby: your call. Nov 19 01:29:52 kill them. Nov 19 01:29:57 i say, no more 1.2.1 Nov 19 01:29:58 :D Nov 19 01:29:58 dBsooner: No new patches on 1.2.1, but keep the feed running. Nov 19 01:30:04 nodnod Nov 19 01:30:05 10-4. I agree Nov 19 01:30:07 works for me Nov 19 01:30:12 feeds up, no new updates/patches Nov 19 01:30:18 * dBsooner removes 1.2.1 from form. Nov 19 01:30:24 we'll still fix any broken on 1.2.1, but no new ones. Nov 19 01:30:34 brb Nov 19 01:30:47 rwhitby: 10-4. Nov 19 01:31:07 rwhitby: After I commit this MASSIVE commit to the 1.3.1 branch.. Nov 19 01:31:22 I want to move master to 1.2.1 and 1.3.1 to master Nov 19 01:31:42 dBsooner: sure thing. Nov 19 01:31:55 cool, ping you later in webos-internals Nov 19 01:32:00 Adora: thank you dear. Nov 19 01:34:30 First time dropping by here; out of curiosity, how busy is the channel typically? Trying to decide if I ought to make an effort to hang around. :) Nov 19 01:35:14 FoxFireX, that depends, can you tell me where java executables are suppose to go? Is it /usr/lib/luna/java? Nov 19 01:35:33 Did hat girl leave? Nov 19 01:35:52 Sorry, haven't done anything with the Java side; been sticking to the Mojo API so far. Nov 19 01:36:06 FoxFireX, oh ok. Well stick around, you can answer my mojo questions :P Nov 19 01:36:30 I can answer 'em, sure. Won't promise they'll be right. :) Nov 19 01:52:14 FoxFireX: this channel us usually busy from about 0800 to 01100 eastern time US, and from 0600 to midnight eastern time US, but there are pretty much ALWAYS people here. Nov 19 01:53:49 Fair enough; won't be able to log in during the normal workday hours, but I may try to come around as I think about it. Sometimes need a nudge to keep moving. Nov 19 01:54:10 Trying to "storyboard" out a few new scenes for some added functionality, and it's just still hazier than I'd like. Nov 19 01:55:17 scenes for what? Nov 19 01:55:46 Adding some new stuff to my mileage tracker program. Nov 19 01:56:02 (One of many, it would seem. :) ) Nov 19 01:56:42 * haeffb is still looking for a good one... Nov 19 01:56:53 Is yours in app catalog? Nov 19 01:58:56 I've gone through a variety of coy answers, and think I'll settle on: Yes, yes it is. Nov 19 02:00:11 FoxFireX, i'm with you on the coy answers thing Nov 19 02:00:21 which one? Nov 19 02:00:31 I haven't tried any app catalog ones. Nov 19 02:00:57 Ack! A direct question, to which I cannot dodge. I actually submitted the early bird of the bunch and started the alliterative naming trend: Mileage Monitor. Nov 19 02:01:28 er...both were direct questions... Nov 19 02:01:38 mileage monitor mangled my morals... Nov 19 02:02:08 Yes, but I could tell the obvious follow-up from the first and quietly ignored it. Call me shy. Nov 19 02:02:50 Mindlessly meddlesome manipulator of modern machinery? Nov 19 02:09:44 Is Leon here? Nov 19 02:12:35 Is Adora here? Nov 19 02:13:25 brb Nov 19 02:13:44 * haeffb didn't mean to imply that Mileage Monitor isn't "a good one..." Nov 19 02:14:10 And that's what I was trying to avoid. :) Don't want any concern over hurt feelings or anything. Nov 19 02:22:42 FoxFireX: things I need: 1. service reminders and 2. business mileage log (trip log) Any plans for those features? Nov 19 02:23:10 Service reminders are actually what I'm looking at right now. It's proving to be more complicated than I had initially hoped to do it right. Nov 19 02:23:40 Everything I do is more complicated than I initally hoped...! Nov 19 02:23:40 Business mileage I've heard several people ask for, but honestly haven't really looked into enough yet. Certainly open to adding it, but I'll have to understand how it's really used before going down that path. Nov 19 02:24:01 I think I could half-ass it pretty simply, but I wouldn't be happy with that implementation. :) Nov 19 02:24:12 begin/end odometer reading, from/to location, purpose, category Nov 19 02:25:08 ideally would export to a spreadsheet (google docs?) that I could print for IRS purposes. Nov 19 02:25:51 Yeah, I'd love to be able to do a proper export even for backup right now. All I can do at this point is send email, which is far from ideal, but gets the job done for now. Nov 19 02:26:23 I've been thinking about developing just a business mileage app, but if I could convince somebody else to do it, it would be much less complicated than I'd initially hoped. Nov 19 02:27:06 It might be better suited as a standalone, rather than bundling in. Dunno. Nov 19 02:27:33 didn't I read on precentral today that the backup app created a zip file? (in reference to not being able to create files)? Nov 19 02:27:45 TealAuto for PalmOS had both features. Teal has started doing some webOS stuff, but don't know if they're porting a mileage app. Nov 19 02:28:43 virtualbox sure does disconnect you from network like it says it will during install :) Nov 19 02:30:16 Yeah, it looks like it does. Catch is, the only way it can do that is using unpublished APIs, which is an App Catalog black mark. Nov 19 02:31:02 gotcha - its a generic api for file or something zip specific? Nov 19 02:31:43 Not sure; haven't looked at the code. My guess is there's a generic File IO API that hasn't been published. I doubt the ZIP functionality is a direct part of it, but couldn't say for sure. Nov 19 02:31:52 gotcha Nov 19 02:34:14 Looking over the thread of the backup app, it's definitely doing stuff that isn't fully published yet; includes a new Java service to run some shell commands. Shell access is probably how he's able to get the ZIP stuff working. Nov 19 02:34:34 Impressive nonetheless, just not something I could take advantage of right now. Nov 19 02:34:44 (Also likely something I'd like to install!) Nov 19 02:41:13 scooter26, FoxFireX, the backup service calls multiple shell scripts. They are all available opensource for viewing in the gitweb at git.webos-internals.org Nov 19 02:42:27 Pre101, ping? Nov 19 02:44:28 FoxFireX: I tried doing a backup/restore myself and ended up disassociating my phone from my account and just had to redoctor it. Backup/restore is a bit tricky. I hope they've covered all the angles. Nov 19 02:45:21 I did some manual restoration for my wife's phone after she decided to let it try coffee. Seems to be working okay for now. Nov 19 02:45:21 zsoc: Hey there. Nov 19 02:45:45 Pre101 HEYA Nov 19 02:45:46 finally got your e-mail Nov 19 02:46:07 kesne: HOWDY Nov 19 02:46:08 Pre101, lol interesting. that problem seems to be minor (consider i got it fixed temperarily). The stop functionality is ... complicated Nov 19 02:46:23 Pre101: I found an issue Nov 19 02:46:28 You use that word a lot. Nov 19 02:47:23 If I refresh but somehow the move fails, then the move isnt passed again Nov 19 02:47:28 which I'd like it to be Nov 19 02:47:29 kesne: I'm not surprised! Nov 19 02:47:40 Send me an e-mail with the details, I need to finish my blog post for today. Nov 19 02:47:48 ok Nov 19 02:47:49 move fails? how can a move fail? Nov 19 02:48:24 Idk Nov 19 02:48:26 it does though Nov 19 02:48:37 THIS GUY TOTALLY STOLE MY IDEA Nov 19 02:48:37 http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/pranav_mistry_the_thrilling_potential_of_sixthsense_technology.html Nov 19 02:48:44 I was working on something similar to that Nov 19 02:48:45 what is a 'move'? Nov 19 02:49:05 zsoc: move is the secret word for meth Nov 19 02:49:50 i see Nov 19 02:50:01 And that guy stole my idea Nov 19 02:50:12 I was working on a finger tracking system Nov 19 02:50:22 It can currently track multiple fingers Nov 19 02:50:29 And uses colors Nov 19 02:50:43 It also can be used to control the mouse Nov 19 02:51:15 It worked well Nov 19 02:51:18 He stole it! Nov 19 02:51:25 ... Nov 19 02:51:26 kesne: Why do you need an app to track your finger? If you don't know where your finger is you have bigger problems than a cell phone. Nov 19 02:51:38 not on a cell phone Nov 19 02:51:49 It used a webcam on a linux platform to track it Nov 19 02:54:37 It was cool Nov 19 02:54:38 Man, I need Derek Kessler's e-mail address. That guy can't write an article without a typo to save his life. Nov 19 02:54:47 haha Nov 19 02:54:50 Do you want it? Nov 19 02:56:23 Pre101: there you go **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 19 02:59:56 2009