**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 27 02:59:58 2009 Nov 27 05:10:22 anybody here? Nov 27 05:21:47 Anybody know of a decent pair of non-in ear earbuds? Nov 27 05:21:52 With microphone that is. Nov 27 05:29:08 LoneStar34: I'm around Nov 27 05:29:20 reality9110: sorry, no. Nov 27 05:29:42 I bought a bluetooth headset and now I never use it since it's not useful while driving. :P Nov 27 05:29:57 Anyone know where the chat logs for this chat are stored? Nov 27 05:31:20 I have bluetooth handsfree built into my car so no need for it on the road Nov 27 05:31:43 But, the Pre headphones are just way too big to fit into my ear Nov 27 05:31:53 And I can't stand in-ear earbuds. Nov 27 05:33:32 the conversations for this chat are stored at: http://urloid.com/chat1 Nov 27 05:34:17 Roy-Pre101: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs Nov 27 05:34:57 LoneStar34: rwhitby: Thanks Nov 27 05:36:06 everyone eat alot of turkey? Nov 27 05:38:01 A fair bit. Nov 27 05:38:36 Not even a little bit Nov 27 05:40:06 damn, had fried turkey for the first time Nov 27 05:42:45 I'm not a turkey fan, but fried turkey is good Nov 27 05:44:50 I had nan, and tofu curry and dal, and Nov 27 05:44:57 can a pre or pixi owner access the app store? Nov 27 05:44:57 chicpeas and spinach, and Nov 27 05:45:19 nan? indian? Nov 27 05:45:26 and rice and a bunch of things I can't pronounce with my daughter's in laws Nov 27 05:45:35 yep. Nov 27 05:46:06 Somosa's and chutney and fried veg and ghod knows what else Nov 27 05:46:12 It was -very- good Nov 27 05:47:23 sounds every good Nov 27 05:47:29 Rick_work: You're almost making me hungry. Nov 27 05:47:53 yeah Nov 27 05:48:07 reality9110 doc, iphone headphones with microphone work fine Nov 27 05:48:10 and they're smaller Nov 27 05:48:20 Fully 75% of my tweets are from one person. I think I'll drop him. Nov 27 05:48:43 depends. If it's dalmaer or chuq I wouldn't Nov 27 05:48:53 :) Nov 27 05:49:02 I can assure you they're barely blips on this radar. Nov 27 05:49:50 ~30 tweets from this person in the last hour Nov 27 05:49:54 Roy-Pre101 turns out that snowglobe still has menu slowness if you scale in on a photo seriously. Although it's MUCH better and tolerable. I have no idea why. Nov 27 05:50:19 Good God Roy, drop him. "I'm drinking coffee. I'm going to the restroom, I'm watching tv. arrrrgghh Nov 27 05:50:53 so many people write crap on twitter Nov 27 05:56:17 rwhitby: Did you set up the webOS Internals wiki? Nov 27 05:57:44 I picked up a pair of those blackberry headphones with mic Nov 27 05:58:46 They are selling for less than $3 on Amazon Nov 27 05:59:15 Roy-Pre101 Rod installed it, Templarian1 and I configured it. mostly Nov 27 05:59:19 And the iphone headphones are uncomfortable in my ears as well Nov 27 06:00:05 * Templarian1 looks around and goes back to scripting. Nov 27 06:00:12 Rick_work: Send it over here and I'll have a look at it. I'm using a bit of animation these days. Nov 27 06:06:20 Ah, I'm wondering if there are are some necessary plugins for the wiki I should look at. Nov 27 06:06:58 Very very few are needed. Nov 27 06:07:34 We installed a custom google search, which isn't a plugin because the default media wiki will not search words of less than 5 characters. Nov 27 06:08:09 I know we did a couple of plugins, but they were all pretty oddball things. Nov 27 06:08:18 they keep INCORPORATING them. Nov 27 06:08:28 I really don't understand what mediawiki categories are for... they don't show up in searches so why do they let you put content in them? Nov 27 06:08:48 They let you go to related groups of pages. Nov 27 06:09:21 useless in my opinion, although there was a time they were super useful on wikipedia, but that's been surpased by templating and linking Nov 27 06:10:20 I set up 'services' as a category and I'm really not liking how it works. Nov 27 06:13:19 I need to figure out templating and such but I'm not even sure I have time for that. Nov 27 06:14:48 I got a good chuckle once I looked over the documentation for the video services aPI. Nov 27 06:24:57 Ok. Fixed the search function Nov 27 07:25:16 16 invitations to google wave. Nov 27 07:27:11 hehe who isn't trying to give those away Nov 27 07:29:15 http://stackulator.com/canvas_test.html <--mouseover / mouseout on 5,000 objects in realtime (takes a few seconds to build the tree but the interaction is fast) Nov 27 07:29:33 5,000 _canvas_ objects Nov 27 07:57:23 ElVox: Did you try that on the Pre? :P Nov 27 07:57:52 no :) did it work? hehe Nov 27 07:58:56 I didn't try. Nov 27 07:59:03 We don't have mouseover anyhow. Nov 27 07:59:37 it loaded in the emulator though..oh welll it is really to speed up the other things in canvas Nov 27 07:59:39 Installing updates. Nov 27 11:26:14 Anybody have good resources on organizing javascript source code? When writing a large application I want to split the classes into different files C-style. Nov 27 12:17:26 hi everyone Nov 27 12:41:32 hello? Nov 27 12:55:38 hello Nov 27 13:09:21 hello Nov 27 13:11:28 Does http://www.jamendo.com , render right on a Pre ? It a free music site . It would be cool to know if you can download songs from it to your phone Nov 27 14:02:38 Hi all, I need to read in a text file, that will be packaged in my app, into a string to manipulate it, anyone know the best way to get that done? Nov 27 14:49:11 Hello, anyone home? Nov 27 14:49:47 Got a very quick query about setting the SMS Contact Centre Address Nov 27 15:11:38 zzzZZZZZ Nov 27 15:12:56 Got a very quick query about setting the SMS Contact Centre Address Nov 27 15:13:24 yes? Nov 27 15:13:49 aha Nov 27 15:13:58 well, can it be done? Nov 27 15:14:22 I have looked around in the menus but cannot see an option Nov 27 15:15:24 I can put my pre onto the Vodafone network and everything works except SMS send Nov 27 15:15:33 hmm Nov 27 15:15:59 wouldn't be that stored in the same database as the APN for internet access and such? Nov 27 15:16:08 because I suspect that the SMS CSA is hard coded to O2 in Webos, Nov 27 15:16:15 agreed Nov 27 15:16:25 is this something I can access via the menu? Nov 27 15:18:09 good question Nov 27 15:18:57 Yup Nov 27 15:19:02 ;-) Nov 27 15:21:03 So , just need some clues - if we think this is something I can edit via a text file somewhere in the OS itself, then I will go investigate that . Nov 27 15:23:16 proably a database file Nov 27 15:24:07 for example the carrier network settings (apn etc.) are stored in CarriedNetworkSettings.db3 Nov 27 15:24:46 but i don't think the CAS is hard-coded .. i'm for example not on O2 but no problems with sending SMS Nov 27 15:26:41 Well, I am talking about changing sim, so I can send on O2 because that is the exclusive carrier, but can do everyyhing except send on Vodafone Nov 27 15:27:05 i've got an orange sim Nov 27 15:27:56 Europe? Nov 27 15:28:26 Think it might be unlocked on the mainland for the most part **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 27 15:32:52 2009 Nov 27 15:36:47 yeah, europe (switzerland) Nov 27 17:33:10 who wanted me last night? Nov 27 17:33:16 or mentioned Nov 27 17:35:29 you asked if I was around, but I was packing Nov 27 17:35:34 and now I'm leaving :D Nov 27 18:25:59 Greetings, all! Nov 27 18:26:15 Nice to see 97 members in here, wow! Wasn't expecting that Nov 27 18:51:20 why would I get "cannot call method 'setupWidget' of undefined" when trying to set up a widget (in a list)? Nov 27 18:51:47 bmyers__: paste your codeline :) Nov 27 18:52:19 this.controller.setupWidget('MycheckboxId', this.checkAttrib, this.listModel); Nov 27 18:52:43 so this.controller is undefined. That's kind of strange. Is this a scene assistant? Nov 27 18:53:05 yes Nov 27 18:53:15 it's not during setup tho Nov 27 18:53:48 that's okay, I'm doing that in my code as well Nov 27 18:53:57 sure "this" is pointing at the right thing? Nov 27 18:54:12 (ie, it's not inside a anonymous function or anything like that?) Nov 27 18:54:40 well there's the rub.. Nov 27 18:55:08 that = this; that.controller.setupWidget Nov 27 18:55:37 well its in a list setup. the checkbox are items in a list Nov 27 18:55:58 so i populate the list, push that and then want to set all the checkbox to true in the list Nov 27 18:56:33 but i dont know how many there are, it's an db.transaction Nov 27 18:56:40 IIRC you shouldn't include a model for that right? Nov 27 18:57:25 well i read to use the listmodel for some reason Nov 27 18:57:32 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2584&hilit=dynamic+model&sid=45ac8a8cde929c6e0b75fe056082fd88 Nov 27 19:00:51 bmyers__: sorry, have to go, sister just arrived Nov 27 19:01:06 np, have fun Nov 27 19:01:23 bmyers__: Nov 27 19:01:23 3) When you use widgets in a list, my understanding is the widgets need to share the list model. Use the toggle's attributes to set the modelProperty to a property in the list model. Don't set up a separate model for the toggles. Nov 27 19:02:33 yup . read that too in the forum. but setWidget doesnt seem to be defined for some reason Nov 27 20:18:56 hey all! Nov 27 20:21:43 Hey JenP! Nov 27 20:21:57 hey kesne! How ya doin? Nov 27 20:22:03 Pretty good Nov 27 20:22:12 Tomorrow I'm going to finish Checkers Pro 1.2 Nov 27 20:22:13 man i hate depot.. Nov 27 20:22:22 depot == fail? Nov 27 20:22:26 i havn Nov 27 20:22:26 I don't use it Nov 27 20:22:33 Don't know anyone that does Nov 27 20:22:33 ' played with it yet...but will need to soon Nov 27 20:22:39 I use cookies for whatever i can Nov 27 20:22:44 Or use online services Nov 27 20:22:55 i get success on get for a item that doesnt exist Nov 27 20:23:06 (which is now in public beta for curious developers) Nov 27 20:23:22 i use cookies now, but its kinda sloppy Nov 27 20:24:25 i wrote a simple app to play with depot, not liking it much Nov 27 20:24:47 get says succesful even on an empty depot.. wtf Nov 27 20:28:19 *cough* use online storage *cough* Nov 27 20:28:40 does anyone know how to add up all the integers in a string Nov 27 20:28:48 like if i had "11111111" Nov 27 20:28:51 how would i get 8 Nov 27 20:29:21 you'd have to break it up and add each char together Nov 27 20:29:34 a for loop would work Nov 27 20:29:54 so i can loop thought a string like its an array? Nov 27 20:30:00 like in C? Nov 27 20:30:18 you'd have to use substr and your for key to pick out each part Nov 27 20:30:42 bmyers__: Check out the sample on webOS101.com Nov 27 20:31:15 kesne: what kind of online storage are you talking about? Nov 27 20:31:43 so something like c = string.substr(x,1); total = total+c; x being your for key Nov 27 20:31:50 and set the for to go by string.length Nov 27 20:32:48 damn subtring Nov 27 20:34:32 PuffTheMagic, something like http://pastebin.com/d7c1eafb9 Nov 27 20:35:36 thanks Nov 27 20:39:31 JenP: Any online storage Nov 27 20:40:00 like what do you mean? I've got no background on it Nov 27 20:40:02 Keen Studios Online allows 2MB of storage per user per app for free Nov 27 20:40:22 It's an online service that my company, Keen Studios, will be offering Nov 27 20:40:49 For storing data, you just ajax it in. Nov 27 20:41:32 i needed to convert a subnet mask to cidr notation which meant converting a ip octet to binary then sum the bit Nov 27 20:41:34 works now, thanks Nov 27 20:45:02 cool Nov 27 20:53:08 ~owned Nov 27 20:53:13 Arg Nov 27 20:53:19 we need a infobot in here Nov 27 20:58:23 Guess everyone's still in a turkey coma today, huh? Nov 27 21:00:50 lol Nov 27 21:01:10 im actually alive in here Nov 27 21:01:19 just submitted my first webos app and i'm pumped about it :) Nov 27 21:01:40 that's great yetdog! Nov 27 21:01:44 Congrats! Nov 27 21:02:04 thanks! :) it's fairly simple but will be a unique addition to the app catalog if they decide to accept it Nov 27 21:02:12 now i guess I just wait with fingers crossed? Nov 27 21:02:23 keyword is wait Nov 27 21:03:51 hahaha...not iPhone app-store waitesque though, right? Nov 27 21:04:04 a matter of days, or a couple weeks, instead? Nov 27 21:05:02 anyone good with depot? Nov 27 21:05:36 Hopefully it'll be a week or two; different folks have reported different response times. Nov 27 21:05:55 My interactions have always been pretty quick, but it may depend on how deep their backlog is and who you're working with. Nov 27 21:06:23 yetdog: Palm's sped up the approval process now, you should get your first feedback in a few days. If it's accepted, then it'll appear in a day or two depending on when they do the next push. Nov 27 21:06:33 my first submission i never got a response on, and since i updated a ton i resubmitted, 1.5days later i have a handler (but that was just before turkeyday so i'll prolly have to wait until next week to start communication) Nov 27 21:06:47 thanks fox & kesne & dawn - that's awesome! Nov 27 21:07:07 lets say, for example, in the coming week i find a bug or add something in my code - do i resubmit? Nov 27 21:07:10 or wait to hear first? Nov 27 21:07:23 Hmm Nov 27 21:07:24 Depends Nov 27 21:07:32 (sorry about the newbie Q's - i'm new @ the webosdev) Nov 27 21:07:43 Don't learn unless you ask. :) Nov 27 21:07:58 If it's still cued for review: delete and start over Nov 27 21:08:06 if it's in the process, I'd wait Nov 27 21:08:17 Do you have a handler? Nov 27 21:08:29 dont think he does if he jsut submitted Nov 27 21:08:32 As for resubmitting, my opinion would be it depends on if it's a game-breaker or not. If you spot something that you know is going to cause users problems, you might want to delete/reject and try again. Nov 27 21:09:05 yetdog: wait, submitted via email or their portal? Nov 27 21:09:08 No response yet, so no handler. I'm guessing that just means I get a point of contact w/ palm? Nov 27 21:09:17 email, per their directions Nov 27 21:09:20 ah Nov 27 21:09:25 Then that will take a little longer Nov 27 21:09:28 I didn't see a portal submission area? Nov 27 21:09:41 You submit via email first Nov 27 21:09:45 I think you have to be specially invited to get the portal still, right? Not general access. Nov 27 21:09:49 unless palm contacts you and tells you otherwise Nov 27 21:09:50 oooh I gotcha :) Nov 27 21:09:50 Yeah Nov 27 21:09:53 Once you're into the system, though, it'll go quicker. Nov 27 21:09:57 i was confused w/ the beta period Nov 27 21:10:01 how they were handling that Nov 27 21:10:10 Some of us got special treatment Nov 27 21:10:27 Like, i never had to deal with the email submit Nov 27 21:10:31 I hear it's a pain in the ass Nov 27 21:11:11 ha :) so you got an invite straight away? Nov 27 21:11:18 even w/o submitting via email? Nov 27 21:11:22 I did precentral homebrew Nov 27 21:11:37 Then they contacted me on there Nov 27 21:11:44 oh nice! love that site Nov 27 21:11:54 Before they even announced the beta submittions Nov 27 21:12:18 Palm checks homebrew Nov 27 21:12:20 or at least did Nov 27 21:12:27 I really love the way they're handling the homebrew side of things. Refreshing change from most companies nowadays. Nov 27 21:12:31 It's been months, so I'm not sure if they still do Nov 27 21:13:14 yeah - i figured i would try to go straight to the app store rather than homebrew, but since my app is free not sure if there's much of a point to doing it that way Nov 27 21:13:19 Even if they aren't scouting for developers there, they at least know what's going on and keep an eye on it. Nov 27 21:13:40 You're going to get wider distribution through the catalog as opposed to homebrew, I'm pretty sure. Nov 27 21:13:52 ugh why cant depot work the way i want it to.. why cant get() just return the value Nov 27 21:13:58 Only a certain subset of users will go to the effort of enabling homebrew. Nov 27 21:14:03 definitely, fox. Nov 27 21:14:23 dawm: Not familiar with depot, but willing to look; what's the problem you're seeing? Nov 27 21:14:36 yetdog: I can see if I can put in a good word to speed things up for you Nov 27 21:14:39 What's your app? Nov 27 21:15:07 Wow kesne, that'd be awesome. Not necessary though, so don't spend any "political capital" ;) It's called "DMB Live Setlist" Nov 27 21:15:13 company is antsmarching.org Nov 27 21:15:28 aight, I'll see what I can do Nov 27 21:15:58 no promises Nov 27 21:16:05 but I'll send some emails Nov 27 21:16:31 No worries - flattered you would even consider it :) Nov 27 21:16:57 yeah of course Nov 27 21:16:59 Just make sure you provide a cut of the $0 for services. ;) Nov 27 21:17:00 I love helping devs Nov 27 21:17:29 hehe Nov 27 21:18:32 yetdog: You gotta watch out for kesne. He's gotta turn sideways to get his ego through the door! ;) Nov 27 21:18:52 hehe Nov 27 21:18:59 :P Nov 27 21:19:01 hahahaha :) Nov 27 21:19:02 heh Nov 27 21:19:16 I wish I could deny that Nov 27 21:19:32 But unfortunetly I think everyone knows differently Nov 27 21:19:38 is zsoc here? Nov 27 21:19:41 It's good. We still like you. Nov 27 21:19:47 Heh Nov 27 21:19:52 It's because I'm a kid Nov 27 21:19:53 :P Nov 27 21:20:01 Oh thank god, zsoc is away Nov 27 21:20:03 what apps do you folks have in the store? Nov 27 21:20:17 I have Checkers, Checkers Pro, and Perfect Bounce Nov 27 21:20:24 three new additions coming early december Nov 27 21:20:28 and three more later december Nov 27 21:20:55 Very impressive. It's a great platform to write for. I used to be an iPhone owner and was researching writing an app but got discouraged with the platform limitations Nov 27 21:21:28 Like Checkers, kense. Haven't tried the pro one yet. Though the "beat the computer X times" achievements seemed a little wonky. Nov 27 21:21:54 It's broken in the current release Nov 27 21:22:01 Mileage Monitor is my sole contribution to this point; trying to get moving on a pay version of it, but gonna keep the current functionality free. Nov 27 21:22:12 Good to know it's not just me. :) Nov 27 21:22:18 Unfortunetly, I like pushing big releases, so that functionality will be broken for a bit Nov 27 21:22:34 but in my dev build (1.1.7) It works Nov 27 21:22:41 and there are like 25 more Nov 27 21:23:10 Looking forward to it. Nov 27 21:23:50 webos showing so much promise. When they unlock the GPU that's when things are really going to explode, IMO Nov 27 21:24:04 yetdog: IMO, it won't Nov 27 21:24:07 For a few reasons Nov 27 21:24:27 I _THINK_ that they will use webGL to do GPU stuff. Nov 27 21:24:46 And if I'm correct, that's accessed via JS Nov 27 21:24:56 Basically, I think people will be lazy Nov 27 21:24:58 eeesh. That would be risky Nov 27 21:25:10 I think it'll take a little while for everyone to learn and get using it. Nov 27 21:25:17 but I will be one of the first onboard Nov 27 21:25:32 I'm looking forward to port Intercept over to the pre. Nov 27 21:26:14 this will sound and make me look bad, but i would love something like bejewled to come over Nov 27 21:26:22 gpu-accelerated bejeweled ;) Nov 27 21:26:26 Hehe Nov 27 21:26:32 That'd be interesting Nov 27 21:26:38 though prejeweled works fine Nov 27 21:27:02 its not called that anymore :P Nov 27 21:27:03 Misread that as accelerometer Bejeweled. Tap a gem, shake the device the direction you want it to move. Nov 27 21:27:07 yeah, no finger-dragging though. its tap to activate, then tap for destination Nov 27 21:27:39 yet, im working on drag instead of tap Nov 27 21:27:57 daw - are you the dev of prejeweled Nov 27 21:28:07 yeh, its called Swap & Drop now tho Nov 27 21:28:18 wow, i'm impressed! Nov 27 21:28:21 hey Templarian found an issue with the komodo addon Nov 27 21:28:36 if you put in the new appjson stuff it rewrites/breaks it Nov 27 21:29:57 dawm__: please, for god's sake, kill the underscores Nov 27 21:30:05 oh i thought i did Nov 27 21:30:11 thank you Nov 27 21:30:24 I mean at some point it gets rediculous Nov 27 21:30:44 lol Nov 27 21:31:03 Or register your name Nov 27 21:31:12 it is duh Nov 27 21:31:17 hehe Nov 27 21:31:20 when i updated virtual box i got disconnected Nov 27 21:31:31 aye Nov 27 21:31:32 and killing ghost is annoying Nov 27 21:31:33 I hate VB Nov 27 21:31:48 That's why I only use it on my other computer Nov 27 21:31:58 You ever tried to update VB IN VB? Nov 27 21:32:01 It's so fun Nov 27 21:32:05 how do i access something in the parent function from a function inside that function? Nov 27 21:32:33 i need to set a var, but i dont want it set globally Nov 27 21:32:49 why not? Nov 27 21:32:56 I know gloval variables are evil and all Nov 27 21:33:00 but get over it :P Nov 27 21:33:23 im trying to get depot get to return the value instead of setting up fuctions for each call Nov 27 21:33:37 aye Nov 27 21:33:40 Don't ask me Nov 27 21:33:49 I think depot is worse than underscores Nov 27 21:34:02 worse than James Taylor. Nov 27 21:34:35 ill ask google Nov 27 21:34:40 If you're declaring a function inside another function, the outer function's variables are still in scope. Nov 27 21:34:54 yeah Nov 27 21:34:57 what he said Nov 27 21:35:01 That's what I meant. Nov 27 21:35:03 { var foo; function (x) { foo = x; } } should do what you expect. Nov 27 21:35:20 well its actually a 3 not 2 Nov 27 21:35:37 my function -> depot get -> success function Nov 27 21:35:52 set a global :O Nov 27 21:37:33 I don't think you're going to be able to get away from the success function approach; Depot's going to be inherently asynchronous, but what I think you're saying is you want a synchronous method. Nov 27 21:38:16 yeah, i dotn want the global to be overwritten before i get the data out Nov 27 21:38:25 stupid depot Nov 27 21:38:45 If it's small enough data, you could consider using a cookie approach instead. Nov 27 21:38:53 That'd give you the synchronous results you're wanting. Nov 27 21:39:22 ive got alot of crap in cookies already which is why im attempting to use depot to clean that up, plus i can store more scores with depot Nov 27 21:40:25 Why not just set up a short startup method that makes the depot call, and for its success handler, have it call the method you need the data in? Nov 27 21:51:34 Untested, but maybe something like this? http://foxtailsoftware.com/random/depot.txt Nov 27 21:52:06 x y z are undefined Nov 27 21:52:09 tried that heh Nov 27 21:53:36 i dont think its possible, was just trying to make a simple/reuseable get function that isnt hardcoded to do anythign but give me a specific key value that i want Nov 27 21:54:51 The problem is that the Depot.get call is inherently asynchronous, and the function you want to write is synchronous. Just won't play nice. Nov 27 21:55:58 Now, if you REALLY wanted to... You could set up a repository of all the keynames you might want, and set up a recurring timer to request and cache those values outside the depot. Your getter could then access the cache instead of the depot directly, but you're just asking for timing issues and stale data. Nov 27 21:56:11 But I wouldn't recommend it. :) Nov 27 21:56:15 all i need is access outside the inner function to set the var, but all i can access is global Nov 27 21:56:29 ill keep asking google, maybe ill get lucky Nov 27 21:58:28 In the sample I posted, x y and z should have carried forward their parameter values in the inner function. The problem is that by the time your inner function has executed, your outer function would have long since completed. Nov 27 21:58:42 dawn you can use ajax to get a file from your depot if that is what your looking todo Nov 27 21:58:45 well not a file Nov 27 21:58:47 You can set a variable from that scope, but whatever you were planning to do with it had long since happened. Nov 27 21:58:49 but its content Nov 27 21:59:29 whoops Nov 27 22:01:27 this is what im looking to figure out, a simple depot get function that works like this var data = myGet(keyname); and inside myGet it calls the depot get function then returns the data i've requested Nov 27 22:01:59 basically make get as simple as add is Nov 27 22:02:04 I know just what you're looking for, but it can't happen (based on my knowledge of the language). Nov 27 22:02:17 i know Nov 27 22:02:23 other than using a global Nov 27 22:02:34 Even using a global doesn't help. Nov 27 22:02:45 You'll get what the previously-requested value was, probably. Nov 27 22:03:29 your right Nov 27 22:03:41 i had to click my test button twice to get the data Nov 27 22:03:54 since the return was called before the data was actually set Nov 27 22:03:59 Yepyep. Nov 27 22:03:59 damn stupid depot Nov 27 22:04:16 well i guess ill just right a uber smart get function Nov 27 22:04:35 that does everything i need hardcoded in Nov 27 22:06:26 dawn Nov 27 22:06:36 what exactly is the depot? some xml file? Nov 27 22:06:47 Something that is up on the server? Nov 27 22:06:53 It's a simplified interface to an on-device database. Nov 27 22:06:57 http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Depot.html Nov 27 22:07:06 You don't write SQL for it, just "add" and "get" stuff. Nov 27 22:07:13 ah ok Nov 27 22:07:17 disregard Nov 27 22:07:22 simple interface to sqllite Nov 27 22:12:59 hrm Nov 27 22:13:14 my firefox doesnt have the youtube search in the search box.. wtf Nov 27 22:15:21 sooo old, but soo funy Nov 27 22:15:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA Nov 27 22:18:11 http://keen-studios.net/2009/11/this-isnt-the-update-youre-looking-for/ Nov 27 22:18:13 hehe Nov 27 22:29:53 Nice update. :) Nov 27 22:36:15 woah, online play? Nov 27 22:36:49 Yeah Nov 27 22:36:59 Thanks to Roy-Pre101 Nov 27 22:37:04 He wrote the online message system Nov 27 22:37:10 I just made the app work Nov 27 22:37:33 server-based? Nov 27 22:37:46 yeah Nov 27 22:37:53 that's incredible. i love it Nov 27 22:37:55 hehe Nov 27 22:38:05 It's taken SO much time to code Nov 27 22:38:15 my gf was playing a word game on her iphone and was playing with 300+ people - i couldnt believe it Nov 27 22:38:22 can't wait to see that kind of thing become more popular on the pre Nov 27 22:38:35 One advantage of being young: you have time to do things Nov 27 22:38:47 haha. indeed! Nov 27 22:39:12 I have owned the pre for about 2 months now, switched from 19 months on the iphone Nov 27 22:39:15 yetdog: how old are you? Nov 27 22:39:16 Ah Nov 27 22:39:17 im 28 Nov 27 22:39:17 iPhone Nov 27 22:39:19 Good times Nov 27 22:39:20 aye Nov 27 22:39:24 the lack of multitasking just kills it Nov 27 22:39:29 I agree Nov 27 22:39:32 (not to mention the flat broken data network) Nov 27 22:39:37 hehe Nov 27 22:39:50 my app wouldnt be possible (the main point of it, at least) on the iphone Nov 27 22:39:59 not sure if anyone here is familiar w/ dave matthews band Nov 27 22:40:07 yeah for sure Nov 27 22:40:12 but they have fairly unique shows each night - nothing canned or scripted Nov 27 22:40:14 All my friends at school love them Nov 27 22:40:23 yeah, i run antsmarching.org and we have a bigass online community Nov 27 22:40:37 lots of people follow the shows online - the band posts the set live as its being played Nov 27 22:40:52 nice Nov 27 22:40:53 well with the app i submitted, it uses banners to alert users of the next song played Nov 27 22:41:13 and the app only uses one stage that has an ajax call to display the setlist Nov 27 22:41:18 DMB is great Nov 27 22:41:38 :) Nov 27 22:41:51 I'll be sure to buy/download your app Nov 27 22:41:59 if my ego allows Nov 27 22:42:02 if it was on the iphone, i would have to use apple's push notification service, and then pop up a notice that you have to dismiss Nov 27 22:42:03 annoying :) Nov 27 22:42:12 hahahaha it'll be free :) hopefully it'll make it through! Nov 27 22:42:23 And I'll make a knockoff, which will cost and sell better Nov 27 22:42:27 Nov 27 22:42:32 Nov 27 22:42:45 haha. it's an easy app :) Nov 27 22:42:53 I wouldnt do that Nov 27 22:42:59 Keen Studios keeps it original Nov 27 22:43:08 obviously my first, but i plan to write a site companion app also that ties into our site functions Nov 27 22:43:12 (i had no worries) ;) Nov 27 22:45:34 yetdog: when did you start programming Nov 27 22:45:35 ? Nov 27 22:45:40 Is it just a hobby? Or a job? Nov 27 22:45:49 overall? about 8 years ago Nov 27 22:45:57 but i'm not very skilled, mostly procedural Nov 27 22:46:00 PHP/scripting Nov 27 22:46:05 OO is still very new to me Nov 27 22:46:17 aye Nov 27 22:46:21 heh php is oo Nov 27 22:46:25 i mean HTML/css is basic enough, dont have a ton of JS Nov 27 22:46:29 Hobby or job? Nov 27 22:46:30 yeah, but i dont use the OO ;) Nov 27 22:46:36 hobby :) altho ive used it in my job Nov 27 22:46:39 im a network/systems analyst Nov 27 22:46:42 ah Nov 27 22:46:44 very cool Nov 27 22:46:59 yeah, i taught myself php with the website Nov 27 22:47:15 Nice Nov 27 22:47:24 how about youtself? is keen your side job or fulltime? Nov 27 22:47:30 uh Nov 27 22:47:33 i never used js until prejeweled :P Nov 27 22:47:51 Keen Studios is sorta my fulltime job Nov 27 22:48:03 But I'd say "Student" is my fulltime job Nov 27 22:48:04 hehe Nov 27 22:48:12 hahah sorta? Nov 27 22:48:16 Any homage to the old Commander Keen in that? Was my first thought. Nov 27 22:48:19 :) so you're much younger than i? Nov 27 22:48:24 yeah Nov 27 22:48:30 Much much yonger Nov 27 22:48:45 Have you not heard? Nov 27 22:48:53 I mean a lot of people here know how old Nov 27 22:49:02 have no, i havent heard Nov 27 22:49:08 You should listen to the PalmCasts :P Nov 27 22:50:07 http://www.precentral.net/palmcast-episode-76 Nov 27 22:50:09 you know i havent had time for any of the palmcast, the only one i did listen to, prejeweled got props so that was good enough for me Nov 27 22:50:14 Even though I sound like an idiot Nov 27 22:50:21 Im the Jordan Gensler guy Nov 27 22:50:34 psh Nov 27 22:50:35 sure Nov 27 22:50:39 lol Nov 27 22:50:44 whoops, got bounced Nov 27 22:50:46 yetdog quits just when my ego kicks in Nov 27 22:50:47 Oh Nov 27 22:50:49 you're back Nov 27 22:50:51 how old again? Nov 27 22:50:54 hahaha Nov 27 22:50:54 15 Nov 27 22:51:01 http://www.precentral.net/palmcast-episode-76 Nov 27 22:51:15 holy shite! Nov 27 22:51:15 That was my first public appearance Nov 27 22:51:18 So to speak Nov 27 22:51:29 did they say your name right? Nov 27 22:51:32 sounded like kense Nov 27 22:51:33 Uh Nov 27 22:51:36 Which one Nov 27 22:51:39 Oh Nov 27 22:51:43 That's awesome - keep it up and you'll be set once you get out into the working world! Nov 27 22:51:44 They said Gensler wrong Nov 27 22:51:51 but they always say kesne wrong Nov 27 22:51:55 Its keSne Nov 27 22:51:58 not keNse Nov 27 22:52:04 thought so Nov 27 22:52:15 yetdog: hehe, I'm just worried about burnout Nov 27 22:52:34 I know I'm kicking ass for 15. Three apps in the catalog and all Nov 27 22:52:42 But i mean Nov 27 22:52:49 i doubt i could be a fulltime programmer. my mind would melt, and i wouldnt be able to sleep w/o my mind racing Nov 27 22:52:50 (going to sound humble here) Nov 27 22:52:58 yetdog, been there done that Nov 27 22:52:59 you mean, going to TRY to sound humble? ;) lol jk Nov 27 22:53:12 It's just one platform, and it's a simple one at that Nov 27 22:53:15 Just JS and HTML Nov 27 22:53:18 used to do web stuff full time.. eventually hated it, got manual labor job.. loved it so much more Nov 27 22:53:19 right dawm - when i focus for that long, i cant get my mind off it. not good Nov 27 22:53:23 Anybody that tried could learn it and do what I did Nov 27 22:53:31 having a hobby for a job makes it less of a hobby Nov 27 22:53:38 hehe Nov 27 22:53:41 good point Nov 27 22:53:58 I spend more time working at Keen Studios than I do almost anything else Nov 27 22:54:00 I LOVE it Nov 27 22:54:03 i work at an airport as a ramp supervisor, totally not techie at all Nov 27 22:54:06 Programming and me just click Nov 27 22:54:24 dawm: living with your mother? Like someone else in this room Nov 27 22:54:31 I'd say his name, but he'd kill me Nov 27 22:54:48 hah actually yeah, only because shes got a disability and needs some help Nov 27 22:55:09 i used to work at a rodent control products company (rat poision) but moved back home to help out my mum Nov 27 22:55:23 dawm: even though that's not what I imagined, I'll still take credit for getting that guess correct Nov 27 22:55:28 hah Nov 27 22:55:36 Who's good? *enter kesne* Nov 27 22:56:42 all my hobbies would make good jobs but id rather not work my hobbies Nov 27 22:58:21 but my app already paid for my pre and then some so i think it was a good choice of phone/platform to toy with Nov 27 22:58:42 i think im going to stick w/ free, even when i write the companion app for my site Nov 27 22:58:49 anything to drive more traffic to the site can only help Nov 27 22:58:51 my mogul died on the right day and bestbuy made their mistake on that same day so win for me Nov 27 22:59:21 I'm a paid kind of guy Nov 27 22:59:26 I like money Nov 27 22:59:30 lol Nov 27 22:59:30 Some say materialistic Nov 27 22:59:44 haha makes sense. i dont know how many sales i could get if i charged, basically Nov 27 22:59:45 Psh Nov 27 22:59:58 You get plenty Nov 27 23:00:06 i might start charging for the lve setlist app once i start adding more features Nov 27 23:00:09 i have an idea for a free app but i dont think its possible at this time (really needs full multitouch capability) Nov 27 23:00:11 Perferct Bounce got like 1000 in two weeks Nov 27 23:00:29 thats awesome - gotta remember though, my app is much more narrow Nov 27 23:00:38 anyone who likes *games* is a target for you Nov 27 23:00:46 but mine is not anyone who likes music, but just DMB Nov 27 23:01:19 aye Nov 27 23:01:23 very niche Nov 27 23:02:15 i had an idea for an app (again, originally for the iphone) Nov 27 23:02:17 an ants tailgate app Nov 27 23:02:33 that would have tied into google maps and updated frequently to show you where everyone is gathered prior to/ during a concert Nov 27 23:02:45 except, w/ the iphone, you cant just leave the app open, not if you want to do anything else at least Nov 27 23:02:49 so it would be filled with stale data Nov 27 23:02:59 pre opens the door back up for it Nov 27 23:03:18 we just need to get this thing on verizon. i love sprint and will be sticking w/ them. vzw just has so much more penetration and visibility it seems Nov 27 23:03:52 how so? Nov 27 23:03:57 sprint is all over xboxlive Nov 27 23:04:04 im actually sick of seeing the ads Nov 27 23:04:19 true...just seems like there are just so many more on vzw Nov 27 23:09:17 ok gang im gonna scoot for now. thank you SO much for all your help! Nov 27 23:09:25 appreciate the poking of palm :) Nov 27 23:09:35 hopefully i'll be in the catalog at some point! Nov 27 23:09:44 Good luck! Nov 27 23:09:59 hey kesne i just added a link over to keenstudios from biocandy Nov 27 23:29:40 dawm: biocandy? Nov 27 23:29:48 my site Nov 27 23:30:04 link? Nov 27 23:30:15 http://www.biocandy.com Nov 27 23:30:27 ah Nov 27 23:30:29 so you did Nov 27 23:30:34 how many visitors do you get? Nov 27 23:30:56 barely any at this time, ive had it for years as a dump/test site Nov 27 23:31:04 ah Nov 27 23:31:15 maybe I should be promoting you then eh? Nov 27 23:31:30 I have some rented out ad-space Nov 27 23:31:47 if you want I'll run some ads for ya Nov 27 23:32:04 no need, once the app hits the catalog those are the people that its up for Nov 27 23:32:52 alright Nov 27 23:33:01 * kesne brbr Nov 27 23:33:04 er Nov 27 23:33:09 * kesne bbl Nov 27 23:45:56 hrm Nov 27 23:46:04 modelChanged doesnt appear to be working for the app menu? Nov 27 23:50:44 That may be correct. Are you trying to change the items, or just enable/disable stuff? Nov 27 23:50:51 change Nov 27 23:50:58 didnt want to have disabled items if i didnt have to Nov 27 23:51:03 Yeah, dunno on that. Nov 28 00:24:14 ok i figured it out, i cant totally replace the model, just change the contents Nov 28 00:24:34 this.appmodel = newmodel; is bad Nov 28 00:24:49 this.appmodel.items[1] = newitem; is good Nov 28 00:31:38 whats up guys Nov 28 00:32:31 i just installed the precorder and its great! but im having trouble with the updates. can someone walk me through using the bootstrap? Nov 28 00:32:57 SFRdr: just run the bootstrap again it and it should update Nov 28 00:33:11 hrm pinks all out marathon, their in michigan right now but i dont reconize the track.. doesnt look to be milan Nov 28 00:33:38 oh us131 Nov 28 00:33:54 welp PreJeweled now has save/load game :D Nov 28 00:34:32 how do i run the bootstrap? i have have webos QI and preware but im not sure where do do it at? sorry again for the newb questions Nov 28 00:34:56 you could try asking the #webos-internals guys they would prolly know Nov 28 00:35:00 i think thats the channel Nov 28 00:35:05 cool thanks! Nov 28 00:35:19 they dig more into the internals Nov 28 00:36:04 sorry my rubbish brings spam to your channel Nov 28 00:36:13 lol Nov 28 00:36:24 i do feel bad, i know how it is. Nov 28 00:43:38 do i need the 'official palm pre usb cable' to charge it or what?? Nov 28 00:44:24 Roy-Pre101: pingu? Nov 28 00:47:56 zsoc: Howdy. Nov 28 00:48:10 ShadeS: No, any micro usb cable will do Nov 28 00:48:51 Roy-Pre101: so if we make an invisible scene... does that actually allow us to implement a kill switch? Like can we make a service request to videoStop automagically once that hidden scene is called? Nov 28 00:49:27 zsoc: Something like that Nov 28 00:52:26 i can't find one that fitsw Nov 28 01:00:13 * kesne is back Nov 28 01:00:58 Roy-Pre101: how much work is that? Because i think a kill switch is important for beta stability. Nov 28 01:01:36 zsoc: A little bit. Nov 28 01:01:43 Has anyone worked with hid stage applications? Nov 28 01:01:58 I know the topic came up recently but whoever was talking about it never put anything on webos101.com Nov 28 01:31:42 does anyone know how to make help appear in the app menu here's my appinfo.json code: "support": { Nov 28 01:31:42 "type": "scene", Nov 28 01:31:42 "label": "Help", Nov 28 01:31:42 "sceneName": "support" Nov 28 01:31:42 }, Nov 28 01:32:37 and I have this in my stage-assistant: this.controller.stageController.pushAppSupportInfoScene(); Nov 28 01:33:21 kesne, u around? Nov 28 01:37:03 diov: Read the menu example on webos101.com Nov 28 01:39:27 Roy-Pre101: is this the new 1.3.1 way? Nov 28 01:40:39 diov: What are you asking? You asked if you could make help appear in the app menu Nov 28 01:41:20 Nothing about that has changed with 1.3.1. Nov 28 01:41:32 sorry, to clarify I mean that in 1.3.1 there is a new auto generation of help scene using appinfo.json, I mean how can I get this working Nov 28 01:41:56 There's an article on webOSdev, I believe. Nov 28 01:42:02 It'd be nice to get that onto webos101.com, too Nov 28 01:42:10 Roy-Pre101: oh ok thanks for your help, I must've heard so wrong info Nov 28 01:43:55 http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Controller.StageController.html#.pushAppSupportInfoScene Nov 28 01:46:07 anyone know the syntax to make a submenu in the appmenu? Nov 28 01:49:05 If you look at the docs, it looks like in the items array of the menu, you can include objects which have a label along with another items array. Should be able to just keep nesting item arrays inside item objects as necessary. Nov 28 01:50:24 dawm: If you get that sorted out please update the menu docs on webos101. Nov 28 01:50:34 ok Nov 28 01:50:44 I don't think anything on nested menus is there. Nov 28 01:51:41 wow Nov 28 01:51:49 that was simple.. too bad the docs dont tell you how to do that Nov 28 01:51:55 you just nest it like you do normally Nov 28 01:52:08 as FoxFireX said Nov 28 01:53:39 i dont know crap about wiki's tho Nov 28 01:56:40 Eh, the docs say it, they just don't say it very clearly. Nov 28 01:57:44 CTLAdvance-work: ping Nov 28 01:58:34 well they dont list item as an option for an item, only the main model Nov 28 02:02:47 anyways i added it to the wiki, i think i did it right Nov 28 02:21:57 dawm: Thank you Nov 28 02:22:07 one thing i cant figure out tho Nov 28 02:22:14 it doesnt look exactly like the Edit menu Nov 28 02:22:22 theres an addition horizontal line underneath Nov 28 02:22:28 cant figure out how to get that off Nov 28 02:23:15 Other thing I'm going to do is change your preferences and Help... menus to the predefined palm constants Nov 28 02:23:27 i just copied that from the docs Nov 28 02:23:48 Did you search the forum for the extra horizontal line? Nov 28 02:24:18 not yet Nov 28 02:24:29 its the same horizontal line thats on all the menu items Nov 28 02:24:40 the edit has a thicker one to show Nov 28 02:24:46 but my submenu has both the thick and thin Nov 28 02:26:17 http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8979/submenulines.png Nov 28 02:36:21 i just answered a call and the app never launched Nov 28 02:36:32 ? Nov 28 02:36:48 so my phone app is not running but im on a call Nov 28 02:36:56 oh lol Nov 28 02:37:34 so i cant switch to speaker Nov 28 02:37:35 lol Nov 28 02:39:25 ok was able to click the phone app and it came up. but it shows 2 calls even though im on one Nov 28 02:40:32 Roy-Pre101, nothing in the forums about app menu submenu.. tried multiple search combinations too Nov 28 02:42:12 hah Nov 28 02:42:24 just scored 2012 in my game.. is it a sign? Nov 28 02:44:05 dawm: no Nov 28 02:49:02 if i want to ssh to my device via usb.. which port do i use? Nov 28 02:50:46 5522 i think Nov 28 02:50:53 yeh 5522 Nov 28 02:51:06 er wait no thats the emulator Nov 28 02:51:12 isnt that the emulator Nov 28 02:51:14 yep Nov 28 02:51:15 lol Nov 28 02:51:20 2222? Nov 28 02:51:46 222 Nov 28 02:52:10 k Nov 28 02:52:16 thanks Nov 28 02:52:39 had to reboot my phone it was acting strange Nov 28 02:52:52 hrm.. just ran across somethign interesting Nov 28 02:53:04 theres a howto on running wordpress from the pre... i dont know why anyone would tho.. Nov 28 02:53:20 after i hung up my call it still thought i was on it in speaker mode and the proximity feature was going nutts Nov 28 02:57:02 i hope i hear from my handler after the weekend. fixed a major bug in the one i submitted as well as added a bunch of stuff Nov 28 02:59:48 I wish Palm would fix the bug in palm-install for 1.3.1 Nov 28 02:59:55 bug? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 28 02:59:56 2009