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Dec 05 03:03:21 <rea> after I install the SDK, how do I get the emulator running?
Dec 05 03:05:22 <FoxFireX> The SDK should have installed a program called "Palm Emulator".
Dec 05 03:05:29 <FoxFireX> Did you install Virtual Box first?
Dec 05 03:06:06 <rea> yea, I got virtual box and I have the palm emulator, but it is just a batch file
Dec 05 03:06:26 <FoxFireX> So does running the batch file not launch VB?
Dec 05 03:06:55 <rea> nope, it just briefly opens a cmd prompt that disappears
Dec 05 03:07:22 <FoxFireX> Afraid I'm on OSX, so I'll have to defer to any of the Win developers out there.
Dec 05 03:08:19 <rwhitby> rea: does virtualbox run?
Dec 05 03:08:31 <rea> yea
Dec 05 03:08:57 <rea> I'm on Vista 64bit
Dec 05 03:10:53 <rea> Do I need to manually create it in virtual box?
Dec 05 03:12:09 <rick_home> rea  vista 64 is a special challenge.
Dec 05 03:12:13 <rick_home> please open a cmd window
Dec 05 03:12:27 <rea> got it
Dec 05 03:12:27 <rick_home> then in the cmd window, go to /program files/palm/sdk/bin
Dec 05 03:12:33 <rick_home> then run
Dec 05 03:12:38 <rick_home> palm-emulator --reset
Dec 05 03:12:48 <rick_home> oh,  and what version of vbox did you install.
Dec 05 03:13:10 <rick_home> You can NOT install a version later than 3.0.10,   anything later will currently fail.  That's being worked on  but it's a problem
Dec 05 03:13:10 <rea> 3.0.10
Dec 05 03:13:16 <rick_home> ok good for you
Dec 05 03:13:25 <rick_home> try palm-emulator --reset and tell me what happens
Dec 05 03:16:49 <rea> so, in the directory, just type palm-emulator --reset?
Dec 05 03:17:05 <rick_home> yep
Dec 05 03:17:12 <rick_home> the batch file is -very- clever
Dec 05 03:17:28 <rick_home> it will re-install the emulator into the vbox
Dec 05 03:18:04 <rea> says 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file
Dec 05 03:18:33 <FoxFireX> Well there's your problem. ;)
Dec 05 03:18:50 <rick_home> what version of java do you have installed?
Dec 05 03:19:33 <rea> Java 6 update 17
Dec 05 03:19:37 <rea> I just updated it last night
Dec 05 03:19:40 <rick_home> 32 or 64?
Dec 05 03:20:18 <rea> 64
Dec 05 03:20:22 <rick_home> apparently the java bin directory is not in your path.
Dec 05 03:20:31 <rick_home> type path and see
Dec 05 03:21:10 <rea> would it be b/c it installed to program files (x86) ?
Dec 05 03:21:34 <rick_home> nope
Dec 05 03:21:42 <rick_home> just type path
Dec 05 03:21:51 <rick_home> and see if the path to java is in your path
Dec 05 03:21:57 <rea> I did, I don't see Java
Dec 05 03:22:00 <rick_home> ok
Dec 05 03:22:07 <rick_home> do you know where your java bin is?
Dec 05 03:22:28 <rea> no
Dec 05 03:23:03 <rea> found it
Dec 05 03:23:07 <rick_home> good.
Dec 05 03:23:10 <rick_home> where is it?
Dec 05 03:23:46 <LoneStar34> anybody know where I can get the Beta SDK?
Dec 05 03:24:00 <rick_home> Lone star you have to have been invited.
Dec 05 03:24:11 <LoneStar34> boo, by whom?
Dec 05 03:24:13 <rick_home> Email chuq and ask
Dec 05 03:24:20 <rea> program files (x86)/java/jre6/bin
Dec 05 03:24:30 <rick_home> rea right click my computer, go to properties, then advanced system settings
Dec 05 03:24:30 <LoneStar34> email him at his palm email?
Dec 05 03:24:37 <rick_home> LoneStar34:  yes
Dec 05 03:24:54 <rick_home> rea then choose environment variables
Dec 05 03:25:20 <rea> ok, im with ya
Dec 05 03:25:28 <rick_home> rea then find path in the system variables
Dec 05 03:25:29 <rick_home> edit it
Dec 05 03:25:47 <rick_home> and append the path to your java bin to the end of the path, seperated by a semi-colon ;  as usual.
Dec 05 03:26:26 <haeffb_> rick_home: problem was due to palm-header-spacer. Inspector rocks.
Dec 05 03:26:38 <haeffb_> (well, not really rocks, but is useful)
Dec 05 03:26:45 <rick_home> then, restart your cmd and try the palm-emulator -- reset  thing again
Dec 05 03:26:58 <rick_home> haeffb_:   yep, super duper useful
Dec 05 03:27:17 <rea> should the end read bin\  or  jre6\
Dec 05 03:27:29 <haeffb_> problem, though: if I don't include it, then my list is hidden behind the view menu
Dec 05 03:27:31 <LoneStar34> ok emailed chuq
Dec 05 03:27:31 <rick_home> bin\
Dec 05 03:28:01 <rea> ok, got it
Dec 05 03:28:02 * haeffb_ needs more inspector 
Dec 05 03:28:21 <rea> now reset the emulator again?
Dec 05 03:28:59 <rick_home> yep
Dec 05 03:29:06 <rick_home> assuming you don't get java not found this time
Dec 05 03:29:31 <rea> I did still get it
Dec 05 03:29:37 <rick_home> type path
Dec 05 03:29:42 <rick_home> did your path changes stick?
Dec 05 03:29:50 <rick_home> did you res-start the cmd ?
Dec 05 03:30:09 <dawm> kesne_, is a retard
Dec 05 03:30:22 <rick_home> (( rick has a special gift for asking simple and insulting questions. ))
Dec 05 03:31:06 <rea> successful reset
Dec 05 03:31:21 <rick_home> rea -- you should now have a working emulator
Dec 05 03:31:23 <rea> oh wait, maybe not
Dec 05 03:31:33 <rea> didnt recognize the --reset command
Dec 05 03:31:33 <rick_home> ??????
Dec 05 03:31:43 <rick_home> did the emulator start?
Dec 05 03:32:10 <rea> I did --help and it says I should try --reset-IMAGE
Dec 05 03:32:34 <rick_home> weird.
Dec 05 03:32:37 <rick_home> that's new.
Dec 05 03:33:04 <rea> apparently I'm supposed to have the name of the image
Dec 05 03:33:16 <rick_home> hmmmmm
Dec 05 03:33:18 <rick_home> wait one
Dec 05 03:33:29 <rea> It worked tho, So, I'ma just ignore it
Dec 05 03:33:37 <rea> thank you very much for your help rick
Dec 05 03:33:43 <rick_home> more than welcom e
Dec 05 03:34:10 <rick_home> every duck in a row.   one bullet...   bang
Dec 05 03:34:29 <rea> yep. I never woulda figured out that java business
Dec 05 03:39:33 <rea> How am I able to browse the filesystem now?
Dec 05 03:40:33 <FoxFireX> If you're just looking to wander around in the emulator, I think novaterm is the one you want.
Dec 05 03:41:24 <rea> that is a separate download?
Dec 05 03:42:26 <FoxFireX> Should be with the SDK, but you may have to run it from the command line.
Dec 05 03:43:30 <rea> the same as novacom?
Dec 05 03:44:56 <FoxFireX> Yeah, pretty much the same thing.  I think novaterm just wraps a few parameters around novacom
Dec 05 03:45:22 <FoxFireX> Could be wrong; always use novaterm myself, rather than novacom.
Dec 05 03:45:37 <FoxFireX> If you're looking to view the filesystem via Explorer, not sure how that might be doable (if at all).
Dec 05 03:45:42 <rea> I don't see novaterm with the SDK, only novacom and putty
Dec 05 03:45:55 <FoxFireX> Maybe it's an OSX thing then. No idea.
Dec 05 03:46:24 <rea> doesnt have to be via explorer, just a way to see certain directories.  Which I suppose I could do with the SSH feature in putty
Dec 05 03:49:30 <rea> if I had any idea what I was doing
Dec 05 03:56:08 <rea> Does anyone know how I connect via Putty?
Dec 05 03:58:33 <sugardave> rea: ssh localhost 5522
Dec 05 03:58:41 <sugardave> for the emulator
Dec 05 03:59:55 <rick_home> rea what sugardave  said, then login as root
Dec 05 04:00:16 <rick_home> no password
Dec 05 04:00:46 <sugardave> rea: yeah, that part is important, too :D
Dec 05 04:00:55 <LoneStar34> rea:  ssh user@host.com
Dec 05 04:05:16 <bryanroth> so, what's the next status after "Being Reviewed"?
Dec 05 04:05:27 <sugardave> "rejected"
Dec 05 04:05:34 <sugardave> :D
Dec 05 04:05:39 <sugardave> or "published"
Dec 05 04:06:03 <rea> what do I use for the host name?
Dec 05 04:06:12 <FoxFireX> localhost
Dec 05 04:06:21 <sugardave> rea: localhost
Dec 05 04:06:22 <FoxFireX> Or 127.0.0.1 if you wanna get fancy. :)
Dec 05 04:06:35 <bryanroth> sugardave: that's good
Dec 05 04:06:50 <rea> hmmm..it is refusing my connection
Dec 05 04:06:55 <bryanroth> sugardave: will they publish an app if they don't find anything wrong with it?
Dec 05 04:07:15 <sugardave> bryanroth: yeah, I think pandora-- had one go through with no "problems"
Dec 05 04:07:29 <sugardave> mine was rejected once, then accepted after minor fixes
Dec 05 04:07:39 <bryanroth> sugardave: what were the causes for rejections?
Dec 05 04:07:55 <sugardave> app menu needs to be correct/present in every scene
Dec 05 04:08:29 <sugardave> and Pixi sizing, but at the time it wasn't necessary
Dec 05 04:08:38 <sugardave> however, I went ahead and fixed the Pixi sizing anyway
Dec 05 04:08:47 <bryanroth> sugardave: cool
Dec 05 04:09:11 <bryanroth> sugardave: what was the turn-around time from "Being Reviewed" to "Published" for you?
Dec 05 04:09:31 <sugardave> hmmm...first time was about 11 days, I think
Dec 05 04:09:49 <bryanroth> sugardave: how long ago was that?
Dec 05 04:10:37 <sugardave> it was the middle of October...it got in the catalog on October 30
Dec 05 04:12:27 <LoneStar34> 12 midnight is what in military time?
Dec 05 04:12:39 <LoneStar34> more exact 12.30
Dec 05 04:12:41 <rea> 2400
Dec 05 04:12:54 <bryanroth> sugardave: nice, it seems as though they're pushing new apps and app updates more frequently
Dec 05 04:13:10 <LoneStar34> so it is the 24 hour...
Dec 05 04:14:36 <FoxFireX> Would've figured 0000.  Huh.
Dec 05 04:15:30 <FoxFireX> Wikipedia thinks it's 0000, FWIW.
Dec 05 04:17:04 <sugardave> LoneStar34: 00:30
Dec 05 04:17:31 <CTLAdvance-work> bryan yeah it seems they pushed almost every day this week
Dec 05 04:17:35 <LoneStar34> sugardave: thanks configuring a unix crontab at 12.30
Dec 05 04:17:36 <sugardave> er, 0030 hours
Dec 05 04:17:59 <sugardave> well, for cron you have to do hour and minute
Dec 05 04:18:02 <sugardave> hour would be 00
Dec 05 04:18:09 <sugardave> minute would, of course, be 30
Dec 05 04:18:28 <bryanroth> CTLAdvance-work: yeah, like today, they were pushing apps almost every hour to few hours
Dec 05 04:19:01 <sugardave> I've been at Disney World all week, so I'm behind on what's going on in the world of webOS dev
Dec 05 04:19:26 <LoneStar34> sugardave:"00 30 * * * " everyday at 12.30 midnight
Dec 05 04:19:33 <sugardave> yep
Dec 05 04:20:19 <LoneStar34> http://uoid.me/ares1 a soon to be released palm web development app for webos
Dec 05 04:23:51 <LoneStar34> sorry web development tool
Dec 05 04:24:16 <dawm> HAH
Dec 05 04:24:24 <dawm> made a pixi
Dec 05 04:24:42 <gkatsev> LoneStar34: webOS dev tool, specifically :)
Dec 05 04:24:43 <dawm> is the pixi's screen the same actual width as the pre?
Dec 05 04:24:52 <gkatsev> dawm: i think so.
Dec 05 04:24:58 <dawm> not in pixels, but in actual width
Dec 05 04:25:01 <gkatsev> just 80 pixels less
Dec 05 04:25:07 <dawm> thats height
Dec 05 04:25:07 <FoxFireX> Smaller, I think.
Dec 05 04:25:08 <gkatsev> dawm: oh, hm...
Dec 05 04:25:17 <dawm> i mean the actual screen size in inches
Dec 05 04:25:19 <gkatsev> yeah, then im not sure
Dec 05 04:26:12 <dawm> hrm pre is 3.1" and pixi is 2.63" i wonder how thats measured
Dec 05 04:27:00 <gkatsev> diagonal
Dec 05 04:27:38 <gkatsev> you could technically figure out the size of the screen since you know the diagonal and the resolution, lol.
Dec 05 04:28:24 <gkatsev> dawm: why do you need specifically the width?
Dec 05 04:28:48 <dawm> hrh
Dec 05 04:28:51 <dawm> heh cuz
Dec 05 04:28:53 <sugardave> pre: 320w x 480h
Dec 05 04:29:01 <sugardave> pixi: 320w x 400h
Dec 05 04:29:03 <sugardave> in px
Dec 05 04:29:11 <gkatsev> sugardave: in inches, not pixels
Dec 05 04:29:21 <sugardave> oh, well, unknown :D
Dec 05 04:29:27 <sugardave> I don't have a Pixi
Dec 05 04:29:38 <dawm> kesne_, where are you
Dec 05 04:30:37 <dawm> whats funny is.. the image i have of the pixi is almost correct heh
Dec 05 04:30:38 <FoxFireX> Looks like it's as near as the same actually: http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/pixipre3.jpg
Dec 05 04:30:42 <dawm> height is 404px
Dec 05 04:30:51 <dawm> i say thats close enough to actual size
Dec 05 04:32:40 <gkatsev> the pixi's screen is almost a square is it no?
Dec 05 04:33:20 <dawm> heh well.. 320x400 yah
Dec 05 04:33:23 <dawm> close
Dec 05 04:34:10 <CTLAdvance-work> Good evening everyone
Dec 05 04:34:18 <gkatsev> well, it could be the same width just shorter.
Dec 05 04:36:10 <LoneStar34> good eveing
Dec 05 04:40:08 <dawm> gkatsev, it is
Dec 05 05:00:23 <obi_> hey i have what i hope is a relatively-simple dev question: how do i reference files from the models/ directory in one of my assistants? my assistant file is growing kind of large and i'd like to siphon off some logic into one or a couple model files...
Dec 05 05:05:25 <dawm> hey gkatsev you awake?
Dec 05 05:05:32 <gkatsev> somewhat
Dec 05 05:05:55 <dawm> http://i46.tinypic.com/mh5y80.png
Dec 05 05:05:59 <dawm> this is why i needed to know :P
Dec 05 05:07:20 <gkatsev> dawm: ah, cool.
Dec 05 05:07:27 <dawm> im bored :P
Dec 05 05:09:39 <FoxFireX> Not screen size, but unit size:  Pre * Width: 59.5mm (2.3 inches) * Height: 100.5mm (3.9 inches) Pixi: * Width: 55mm (2.17 inches) * Height: 111mm (4.37 inches)
Dec 05 05:10:54 <dawm> i just went and made the screen sizes appropriate
Dec 05 06:19:45 <JenP> hi all
Dec 05 06:29:06 <rbredow> Hey guys.  I'm trying to use prototype's Ajax.Request for the first time.  This code calls my URL correctly, but I can't get either the OnSuccess or onFailure function to emit anything to the log.  Any ideas for me?  http://webos.pastebin.com/m49fef5e2
Dec 05 06:32:56 <rbtwhiz> rbedrow: you're missing the closing quote for the url
Dec 05 06:32:57 <LoneStar34> rbredow: are you doing a json or xml request?
Dec 05 06:34:46 <rbtwhiz> copy/paste into komodo highlights the first line
Dec 05 06:36:50 <rbredow> json
Dec 05 06:37:24 <LoneStar34> did what rbtwhiz mentioned work?
Dec 05 06:37:33 <rbredow> but this little test should just echo whatever the webserver says I think.  just not seeing any response (but the webserver is showing access to the url)
Dec 05 06:37:57 <rbredow> Oops...that was just a typo.  In my code it's actually closed.
Dec 05 06:38:30 <rbredow> http://webos.pastebin.com/m3603eb0a
Dec 05 06:40:06 <LoneStar34> have you tried it with another data source?
Dec 05 06:40:23 <rbredow> I haven't yet.  Lemme try something else and see...
Dec 05 06:41:54 <rbredow> looks like that's a good lead.  looking into it now.  Thanks!
Dec 05 06:46:04 <LoneStar34> ok try this:  a very simple json call http://urloid.com/api/json/json_Parser.php?url=http://www.freagair.com
Dec 05 06:47:14 <rbtwhiz> This works...
Dec 05 06:47:16 <rbtwhiz> var request = new Ajax.Request("http://webos.pastebin.com/m3603eb0a",{
Dec 05 06:47:17 <rbtwhiz> 	method: "GET",
Dec 05 06:47:19 <rbtwhiz> 	onSuccess: function( transport ) {
Dec 05 06:47:20 <rbtwhiz> 		Mojo.Log.info( "Success!" );
Dec 05 06:47:22 <rbtwhiz> 	},
Dec 05 06:47:23 <rbtwhiz> 	onFailure: function( transport ) {
Dec 05 06:47:24 <rbtwhiz> 		Mojo.Log.info( "Failure!" );
Dec 05 06:47:26 <rbtwhiz> 	}
Dec 05 06:47:27 <rbtwhiz> });
Dec 05 06:49:06 <LoneStar34> what does it display?  text only?
Dec 05 06:49:56 <rbtwhiz> yes. "Success!"
Dec 05 06:51:37 <LoneStar34> alright, what was the  issue?
Dec 05 06:51:56 <gkatsev> webos.pastebin.com is recommended
Dec 05 06:52:38 <rbredow> well...I'm getting the success function to get called back, but I'm getting "null" in responseText right now.  Getting closer.
Dec 05 06:53:28 <rbtwhiz> or instead of Mojo.Log.info( "Success!" ); use $( "YOUR_DIV_ID" ).update( transport.responseText ); to see it in the scene.
Dec 05 06:54:42 <LoneStar34> "null" you are using the wrong value to display response
Dec 05 07:01:50 <JenP> you guys are going over web scraping right?
Dec 05 07:02:02 <rbredow> yup...
Dec 05 07:02:29 <JenP> cool that's what i'm working on too:-d
Dec 05 07:09:30 <JenP> ok why won't this call work? http://webos.pastebin.com/d6278ae84
Dec 05 07:10:49 <droO> looks okay to me ;o
Dec 05 07:11:03 <droO> so it doesnt get to onsuccess or onfailure?
Dec 05 07:12:11 <JenP> idk...didn't open the log...doing that now
Dec 05 07:13:03 <rbtwhiz> Mojo.Log.error vs Mojo.Log.Error
Dec 05 07:14:25 <LoneStar34> JenP: do you see anyting when you execute it?
Dec 05 07:14:31 <JenP> no
Dec 05 07:15:00 <LoneStar34> how many results are you suppose to see?
Dec 05 07:15:09 <JenP> just one
Dec 05 07:15:17 <LoneStar34> that is the problem
Dec 05 07:15:30 <JenP> whys that?
Dec 05 07:15:36 <LoneStar34> are you using a sample form the SDK?
Dec 05 07:15:40 <rbtwhiz> use Mojo.Log.error instead of Mojo.Log.Error in ; the first is valid, the second isn't.
Dec 05 07:15:42 <LoneStar34> from
Dec 05 07:15:51 <JenP> kk
Dec 05 07:16:58 <dawm_> hrm, havent used my netbook in awhile
Dec 05 07:21:07 <JenP> why won't this work in putty? cat /var/log/messages | grep FAILED
Dec 05 07:21:35 <LoneStar34> JenP: are you trying to display response in a div?
Dec 05 07:21:47 <JenP> YES
Dec 05 07:21:58 <JenP> sorry yes
Dec 05 07:22:09 <dawm|mini> heh
Dec 05 07:22:10 <LoneStar34> is it within a "result-list"
Dec 05 07:22:26 <LoneStar34> and json?
Dec 05 07:22:43 <JenP> json?
Dec 05 07:23:16 <JenP> <div id="tips" class="palm-body-text">
Dec 05 07:23:29 <JenP> just regular div...
Dec 05 07:28:10 <LoneStar34> try:  $('tips').innerHTML = 'hello world';
Dec 05 07:28:48 <LoneStar34> then try: $('response').innerHTML = textwewant;
Dec 05 07:28:59 <JenP> kk
Dec 05 07:29:16 <LoneStar34> sorry: "  $('tips').innerHTML = textwewant; "
Dec 05 07:29:56 <JenP> i don't even get the first one
Dec 05 07:31:46 <LoneStar34> have you tried a simple website?
Dec 05 07:32:04 <JenP> i thought this one was  simple one
Dec 05 07:32:16 <JenP> what do you have in mind?
Dec 05 07:32:39 <LoneStar34> try: http://urloid.com/api/json/json_Parser.php?url=http://www.freagair.com
Dec 05 07:33:09 <LoneStar34> it displays a single json result
Dec 05 07:33:28 <JenP> so should i change my begin and end variables?
Dec 05 07:34:16 <JenP> where would i find teh sample from the sdk?
Dec 05 07:36:10 <LoneStar34> C:\Program Files\Palm\SDK\share\samplecode\samples\Data\app\assistants\networkData
Dec 05 07:36:27 <LoneStar34> it is a good json sample based my app from that code
Dec 05 07:36:42 <JenP> very cool thank you
Dec 05 07:37:28 <LoneStar34> the dataGet is a good one
Dec 05 07:37:52 <JenP> i think part of my problem is where i call the function
Dec 05 07:37:53 <LoneStar34> JenP have you gotten a text to display ever?
Dec 05 07:38:02 <JenP> no this is my first try
Dec 05 07:38:59 <LoneStar34> do you have the ask?
Dec 05 07:39:04 <LoneStar34> sdk
Dec 05 07:39:09 <JenP> ]yes
Dec 05 07:40:23 <LoneStar34> if i makes you feel better, it took me about 2 weeks of tinkering to get data to display
Dec 05 07:40:36 <JenP> that does, thank you
Dec 05 07:40:43 <JenP> uber...frustrating
Dec 05 07:41:19 <LoneStar34> the getData has a bug or maybe it is Mojo - it does not display only one result it has to be 2 or more results
Dec 05 07:42:02 <JenP> hmmm there's only one paragraph i need from the page
Dec 05 07:43:02 <LoneStar34> oh I am taking about a json resultset
Dec 05 07:43:05 <LoneStar34> sorry
Dec 05 07:43:31 <JenP> how do i know if i have 2+ results?
Dec 05 07:46:47 <JenP> so LoneStar34 in my case do i call the function  - this.igotthepagenowparseit();
Dec 05 07:51:04 <LoneStar34> are you looking at the sdk sample?
Dec 05 07:51:08 <JenP> yes
Dec 05 07:51:15 <JenP> ajaxGet
Dec 05 07:53:52 <LoneStar34> JenP: is the default code displaying data?
Dec 05 07:54:43 <JenP> i didn't paste it in yet
Dec 05 07:57:53 <LoneStar34> ok are you using eclipse or komodo?
Dec 05 07:58:33 <JenP> komodo
Dec 05 08:00:08 <JenP> ok so i see how the get is triggered by a button press....
Dec 05 08:00:38 <JenP> and then gotResults is what's suppose to show the text right?
Dec 05 08:05:08 <LoneStar34> "this.resultsModel.items;" displays the text
Dec 05 08:06:12 <JenP> i need to just update a div can't i use this $('tips').update(textwewant);
Dec 05 08:07:51 <LoneStar34> i recommend testing with this $('tips').innerHTML ='hello dude';	
Dec 05 08:08:00 <JenP> that works
Dec 05 08:08:23 <JenP> if i comment out the var....transport....text...
Dec 05 08:08:36 <JenP> if it's not commented out i get nothing
Dec 05 08:10:51 <LoneStar34> if you comment out "var r = transport.responseJSON;" it works?
Dec 05 08:11:49 <JenP> no
Dec 05 08:12:03 <JenP> but i think i'm gonna need to hit this in the morning...tired
Dec 05 08:12:07 <JenP> time to go to bed
Dec 05 08:13:19 <LoneStar34> ok chat later
Dec 05 08:13:43 <JenP> thank you...i'll ttyt
Dec 05 10:41:36 <Hernlebuh_> hello world
Dec 05 12:23:08 <doohan> Hello all
Dec 05 16:37:44 <FoxFireX> So anyone seen any red balloons today?
Dec 05 16:49:01 <kesne> I am here
Dec 05 16:52:50 <haeffb_> gotta problems with textfield labels: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3694  any thoughts?
Dec 05 16:54:25 <FoxFireX> Wonder if Mojo is laying out the components based on a label width of 0, so when you add new text to it, the label has nowhere to put it.
Dec 05 16:54:55 <FoxFireX> Maybe try putting placeholder text in the HTML and then blanking it as part of the activate method until you're ready?  Not sure.
Dec 05 17:04:25 <sugardave> red balloons?
Dec 05 17:05:05 <FoxFireX> There's a DARPA challenge going on.  Ten red weather balloons have been placed around the country, and the first person/team to successfully report the position of all ten wins a $40k prize.
Dec 05 17:05:09 <haeffb_> FoxFireX: placeholder text in the HTML works.
Dec 05 17:05:27 <FoxFireX> Cool; may be a kludgy workaround, but if it gets the job done, so be it. :)
Dec 05 17:05:38 <sugardave> FoxFireX: ah, okay
Dec 05 17:06:13 <haeffb_> want to use the javascript for localization - so the HTML includes English labels, and then reset them in setup().
Dec 05 17:06:30 <FoxFireX> You could also do localization by having different HTML files.
Dec 05 17:07:31 <FoxFireX> Last part of this page has the info, but I've never tried it: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1705
Dec 05 17:07:56 <haeffb_> yeah, but thats more files to maintain. I've already decided that I prefer avoiding strings in HTML because it makes localization much easier.
Dec 05 17:08:05 <FoxFireX> Fair enough. :)
Dec 05 17:09:44 <haeffb_> posted your solution on the forums, but didn't give you credit... :)
Dec 05 17:10:03 <FoxFireX> Oh noes!  Whatever shall I do?
Dec 05 17:10:21 <haeffb_> cause I'd already tried that before I came back and saw your suggestion... :)
Dec 05 17:10:35 <haeffb_> I'm out. Thanks!
Dec 05 17:10:43 <FoxFireX> Have you tested replacing the dummy text with a longer string to make sure there aren't any other issues?
Dec 05 17:27:02 <Roy-Pre101> How's everyone today?
Dec 05 17:27:26 <LoneStar34> top of the morning to yous!
Dec 05 17:30:56 <atlanta> heyyy
Dec 05 17:52:57 <kesne> Morning all
Dec 05 17:53:38 <haeffb> Wassup?
Dec 05 17:53:55 <kesne> dawg
Dec 05 17:55:44 <lordbah> I run palm-emulator, select 320x480, click Start Emulator ... and nothing happens. What could be wrong? Ubuntu 9.10, SDK 1.3.1. I previously had 1.2 working and did a full uninstall before installing 1.3.1, then had to reboot because palm-emulator complained novacom wasn't running.
Dec 05 18:00:24 <Scaredy> double-click your choice
Dec 05 18:01:18 <lordbah> LOL. What the hell is the Start button there for then? -- Thanks!
Dec 05 18:01:30 <Scaredy> yeah, I know
Dec 05 18:17:02 <akili_> probably not the right place for it but once im done with a conference call, how do i drop one call and keep the other?
Dec 05 18:27:27 <atlanta> akili_: you cant
Dec 05 19:14:09 <dawm> hey kesne
Dec 05 19:45:53 <dBsooner> egaudet
Dec 05 20:04:42 <dawm> man looking for a house is frustrating.. everyone i really like ends up getting sold before i can even do anything
Dec 05 20:05:26 <haeffb> Gotta be quick!
Dec 05 20:05:47 <reality9110> dawm: By land, put a prefab on it
Dec 05 20:05:51 <dawm> lol
Dec 05 20:05:57 <reality9110> I'm serious
Dec 05 20:05:58 <dawm> around here houses are cheap
Dec 05 20:06:10 <dawm> so they go real fast
Dec 05 20:06:20 <dawm> im looking in the 30k range :P
Dec 05 20:06:34 <reality9110> I'm looking at purchasing 7 acres on the beach for around $300,000
Dec 05 20:07:00 <dawm> if i wanted to live IN detroit.. they're even cheaper.. ive seen some as low as 10k
Dec 05 20:07:21 <reality9110> Then putting a 3000 sq ft modern prefab on it for around $200,000
Dec 05 20:07:44 <dawm> yeh im looking at having a sub 400/m mortgage
Dec 05 20:08:18 <reality9110> That should be easy if you're looking at $30k
Dec 05 20:08:26 <dawm> i gotta have a 2car garage tho, so the racecar has a place to sleep. that really narrows down my choices
Dec 05 20:08:27 <dawm> yeh
Dec 05 20:08:41 <dawm> why rent an apartment if i can get a house for less or same
Dec 05 20:09:24 <reality9110> 30k at 30 years even at high rates is only $233 a month
Dec 05 20:09:38 <dawm> ugh, i take it reviewers are off duty on the weekend?
Dec 05 20:09:46 <reality9110> $186 a month at 4%
Dec 05 20:09:59 <dawm> i need to push an update, but i need the last one rejected
Dec 05 20:10:03 <reality9110> Not even taking into account the housing credit
Dec 05 20:10:30 <dawm> that home credit is only for 50k+ otherwise its 10%
Dec 05 20:10:38 <reality9110> Ah
Dec 05 20:10:40 <dawm> so at 30k its only 3000
Dec 05 20:10:48 <dawm> er no 80k is the start point
Dec 05 20:10:57 <reality9110> I don
Dec 05 20:11:03 <dawm> 1000 per 10k up to 80k
Dec 05 20:11:06 <reality9110> 't think I've seen a house for 30k
Dec 05 20:11:16 <dawm> heh around here they are really common
Dec 05 20:11:21 <dawm> the market is bad here for sellers
Dec 05 20:11:31 <reality9110> around here, houses start at around $350k
Dec 05 20:11:32 <dawm> with the big 3 and layoffs
Dec 05 20:13:07 <LoneStar34> san diego one bedroom condo $300,000+
Dec 05 20:13:22 <reality9110> LoneStar34: I'm looking at land in that area
Dec 05 20:13:33 <reality9110> La Holla
Dec 05 20:13:42 <LoneStar34> la jolla, really?
Dec 05 20:13:51 <reality9110> Yeah, typo
Dec 05 20:13:52 <LoneStar34> i know a realtor theere
Dec 05 20:14:04 <reality9110> The last thing I want is a realtor
Dec 05 20:14:19 <LoneStar34> are u looking for a house or condo?
Dec 05 20:14:24 <reality9110> Land.
Dec 05 20:14:41 <reality9110> I plan on building.
Dec 05 20:14:42 <LoneStar34> hmmm... not much land left in la jolla
Dec 05 20:14:53 <reality9110> There is just a bit north.
Dec 05 20:14:53 <LoneStar34> unless u knock something down
Dec 05 20:15:14 <LoneStar34> north like del mar?
Dec 05 20:15:34 <LoneStar34> http://www.forbesrealtyunion.com
Dec 05 20:15:52 <reality9110> Yes
Dec 05 20:16:23 <reality9110> If I move over there, I figure I can get a place in the city and then a weekend place outside the city
Dec 05 20:16:41 <LoneStar34> that would be cool
Dec 05 20:16:54 <LoneStar34> city and beach, winning combo
Dec 05 20:17:07 <dawm|mini> there we go
Dec 05 20:17:22 <reality9110> I mean, I was looking at places on the beach around there and they are around $1.5-2 million for a 2 bedroom house on the beach
Dec 05 20:17:35 <reality9110> Why not just buy the land, and then build
Dec 05 20:18:14 <dawm|mini> yah
Dec 05 20:18:35 <LoneStar34> yeah
Dec 05 20:18:40 <dawm|mini> so i put osx back on my mini, gotta get used to this again
Dec 05 20:20:11 <LoneStar34> my ex-gals family - bought a house beach front mission beach, torn down the house, and rebuilt $5million project
Dec 05 20:20:13 <LoneStar34> lol
Dec 05 20:20:36 <dawm|mini> must be nice
Dec 05 20:20:36 <reality9110> Sounds like something I would do
Dec 05 20:20:57 <LoneStar34> yeah, it is happening as we chat
Dec 05 20:21:17 <LoneStar34> in about 5 years the little houses by the beach will not exsist
Dec 05 20:21:49 <LoneStar34> all property is converted into condos or large homes
Dec 05 20:22:03 <reality9110> I have a problem with neighbors.  That's my only thing.  I just want a large piece of land where I'm separated.
Dec 05 20:23:10 <dawm|mini> heh
Dec 05 20:23:11 <LoneStar34> la jolla - has large plots - with existing houses, but come at a price $5m - $15m +
Dec 05 20:23:25 <dawm|mini> SD cards survive well after going thru the washing machine
Dec 05 20:23:49 <reality9110> Money isn't really a problem
Dec 05 20:24:08 <reality9110> But it's got to be perfect
Dec 05 20:25:17 <reality9110> And I need to decide whether it's worth taking another job or just retiring
Dec 05 20:25:28 <LoneStar34> yeah I like la jolla and mission beach
Dec 05 20:26:11 <reality9110> If I retire, it won't be in the US
Dec 05 20:26:21 <LoneStar34> right on
Dec 05 20:28:59 <LoneStar34> little bird told me some cool features in the upcoming SDK
Dec 05 20:31:18 <haeffb> Nicaragua has some nice beaches. Or so I hear...
Dec 05 20:31:33 <reality9110> I'd head to France
Dec 05 20:32:24 <LoneStar34> france sounds nice, never been, but like the vodka
Dec 05 20:32:30 <LoneStar34> grey goose
Dec 05 20:33:37 <reality9110> Food is great
Dec 05 20:34:11 <reality9110> Health care is wonderful which is important in old age
Dec 05 20:34:24 <reality9110> Transportation is great
Dec 05 20:34:57 <reality9110> And the mortgage rate is 1%
Dec 05 20:35:19 <LoneStar34> wow nice,
Dec 05 21:18:37 <LoneStar34> poll: florida or alabama?
Dec 05 21:18:55 <kesne> http://keen-studios.net/2009/12/the-man-behind-it-all-jordan-gensler/
Dec 05 21:22:23 <LoneStar34> kesne: reading it now
Dec 05 21:26:56 <LoneStar34> just got any idea, what if Palm was to build a system in which developers can vote on the acceptance of an app, then Palm off course can ultimately push it through or reject it with a click of a button.
Dec 05 21:28:01 <FoxFireX> I think they do something similar on XBox Live's "Indie games" marketplace.
Dec 05 21:37:38 <LoneStar34> FireFireX: it would make sense in order to pass through apps quicker
Dec 05 21:39:04 <LoneStar34> in order to add apps quicker and more efficiently to the app store
Dec 05 21:39:11 <FoxFireX> Understand the viewpoint.  Depends on what your ultimate goal is.  I think a community review process would fit well with Palm, showing a real differentiation from Apple, but the only way it speeds up the process is if it reduces Palm's own review, which means they have less exerted control over content.
Dec 05 21:41:05 <LoneStar34> Well, it can be like an timed review:  developers have 24hrs or so to post reviews and vote: then after 24 hours; the social voting is closed and an email or what ever is sent to a palm person for approval or denial.
Dec 05 21:41:49 <FoxFireX> 24 hours for community input?  Seems a bit on the short side to my first instinct.
Dec 05 21:41:57 <FoxFireX> Not sure there's a large/active enough community yet to reach consensus in that time frame.
Dec 05 21:42:00 <LoneStar34> during the voting period palm can of course view votes and comments  real-time
Dec 05 21:42:14 <FoxFireX> I know I'm not going to have time to check in that often. :)
Dec 05 21:43:42 <LoneStar34> the time frame can be set to 24-48 or so hours, I can build the mock system
Dec 05 21:46:09 <FoxFireX> Maybe it could be set up as a dual-tier system, where developers who want front-page promotion and the "Palm Seal of Approval" get the formal reviews from Palm, but others who just want to get out there go through the community review system and are tucked a little further back in the catalog.
Dec 05 21:46:35 <FoxFireX> Part of what (I think) Palm is going for is wanting high quality apps, and it's difficult to relinquish that control to the cloud.  (Irony noted.)
Dec 05 21:48:48 <LoneStar34> FoxFireX:  the development community can determine high quality apps from junk.... but then again Palm would have the final say so with a click of a button
Dec 05 21:49:23 <FoxFireX> It's an interesting (and entertaining) thought process; question is whether Palm currently sees a need for a change. :)
Dec 05 21:52:52 <LoneStar34> the problem i see is if the app is meant to be sold, how do you control access to paid app for developer review... unless the developer has to pay to review and test a paid app...
Dec 05 21:54:00 <FoxFireX> Nah, that'd never fly.  You'd have to have a way of getting reviewers free copies, period.  By submitting a for-pay app, you're agreeing to limited free review distribution.  May be time-locked so it's removed after a few days, but you simply can't charge someone to be a reviewer.
Dec 05 21:54:38 <LoneStar34> yeah true that
Dec 05 21:59:48 <LoneStar34> FoxFireX:  The developer of app: has two choices "normal review" or "expedited review"
Dec 05 22:00:44 <LoneStar34> "normal" - current review process OR  "expedited"  - social voting and testing by developers and final approval by Palm
Dec 05 22:01:33 <LoneStar34> "normal: 2-4 weeks" waiting period or "expedited: 3-7 days"
Dec 05 22:02:51 <dawm|mini> 2-4weeks?
Dec 05 22:03:06 <dawm|mini> stuff usually gets done in a day cept on the weekend
Dec 05 22:04:30 <dawm|mini> kesne you ball of goo
Dec 05 22:08:39 <LoneStar34> dawm|mini: not sure how the process works, just giving out un educated guesses
Dec 05 22:11:05 <dawm|mini> during the week ive had less than a day turn around from submission to approval
Dec 05 22:11:10 <kesne> how am I a ball of goo?
Dec 05 22:11:12 <dawm|mini> or rejections
Dec 05 22:11:16 <dawm|mini> cause i said
Dec 05 22:11:19 <kesne> ?
Dec 05 22:11:24 <kesne> Just because?
Dec 05 22:11:35 <kesne> Or because I'm ego-centric: http://keen-studios.net/2009/12/the-man-behind-it-all-jordan-gensler/
Dec 05 22:11:46 <dawm> sure
Dec 05 22:13:48 <LoneStar34> kesne: read your blog
Dec 05 22:24:28 <kesne> LoneStar34: read as in "I recently read that"? or like, "You should read that"?
Dec 05 22:25:21 <LoneStar34> i just read "da-man-behind..."
Dec 05 22:25:51 <LoneStar34> good intro
Dec 05 22:26:50 <kesne> Ah
Dec 05 22:26:53 <kesne> I didn't write it
Dec 05 22:26:54 <kesne> no joke
Dec 05 22:27:00 <kesne> I pay writers on my blog
Dec 05 22:32:06 <LoneStar34> nice
Dec 05 22:33:48 <LoneStar34> Kesne: if you do not mind me asking what is the going rate for a blogger? do they also spread the work, or just write on your blog?
Dec 05 22:35:13 <LoneStar34> sooy spead the word
Dec 05 22:35:43 <kesne> I just messaged you
Dec 05 22:35:50 <LoneStar34> eating pizza rolls and drinking beer
Dec 05 23:14:50 <edektor> is there a way I can get more detailed info as to what service handles my applications has?
Dec 05 23:22:26 <sui> hi
Dec 05 23:25:04 <LoneStar34> anyone seen a big red ballon in the sky?
Dec 05 23:25:34 <FoxFireX> Went searching but found none.
Dec 05 23:26:28 <LoneStar34> same here....
Dec 06 01:48:29 <dawm> wow
Dec 06 01:48:42 <dawm> now that im learning some of the new stuff in illustrator (havent touched it sicne v11)
Dec 06 01:48:49 <dawm> making some pretty good progress on a new logo
Dec 06 01:50:30 <reality9110> I never could wrap my head around illustrator
Dec 06 02:45:39 <offroad99> anybody out there know how to get Verizon to add a new MEID to their database?
Dec 06 02:46:00 <zsoc> offroad99: ask really nicely
Dec 06 02:49:38 <Bmyers> hey webosschool, whats new and exciting?
Dec 06 02:50:30 <webosschool-just> Bmyers not to much, was fighting mall crowds today, you?
Dec 06 02:57:26 <Bmyers> mall crowds? no way..
Dec 06 02:57:35 <Bmyers> wouldnt happen here..
Dec 06 02:58:01 <Bmyers> just trying to finish up my app from hell...
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