**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 11 02:59:56 2009
Dec 11 03:06:50 * rick_home notices how everyone shut up after I pointed to a long and complex api page
Dec 11 03:07:51 <dawm> i cant get it to work
Dec 11 03:08:09 <dawm> no errors tho
Dec 11 03:10:08 * FoxFireX just decided to beat his head against a wall called IIDX.
Dec 11 03:12:40 <reality9110> dawm: What?
Dec 11 03:14:27 <dawm> i guess i need a realworld example cause based off the mojo doc sample i cant get it to work
Dec 11 03:14:54 <Bmyers_qwerty> webos prototype version?
Dec 11 03:18:15 <lyht> help. Object.toJSON doesn't seem to get the extra stuff in my object.
Dec 11 03:18:17 <lyht> http://webos.pastebin.com/d676c9c8d
Dec 11 03:19:07 <lyht> if I start an object as an array, say "var bob = []", anything extra gets left out, like "bob.stuff = 'whatever'"
Dec 11 03:19:29 <lyht> Is there another way to conver values to a string?
Dec 11 03:19:45 <dawm> so youre trying to to an array into an object?
Dec 11 03:20:00 <haeffb_> if you start an object as an array...it's an array...
Dec 11 03:20:37 <lyht> how do I start an object as an empty object?
Dec 11 03:21:02 <haeffb_> var bob = {};
Dec 11 03:21:05 <dawm> var foo = {};  or var for = new Object;
Dec 11 03:21:11 <dawm> er foo
Dec 11 03:21:13 <lyht> ahhhhh
Dec 11 03:21:13 <lyht> nice.
Dec 11 03:21:28 <lyht> I'll give that a try
Dec 11 03:21:33 <haeffb_> not nice to make for a var...:)
Dec 11 03:21:51 <dawm> yah i typo'd!
Dec 11 03:22:15 <dawm> so anyone have any synchronize snips? apparently im not understanding the docs correctly
Dec 11 03:22:25 <haeffb_> not i
Dec 11 03:27:21 <rick_home> dawm:   nope.
Dec 11 03:27:47 <rick_home> When I read that doc page, I had to get up and walk around for a while to get my eyes to uncross.
Dec 11 03:27:53 <dawm> lol
Dec 11 03:27:58 <rick_home> It's not the WORST doc page on the site, but it's in the top six.
Dec 11 03:28:09 <dawm> i searched all the stock apps and didnt find it used at all
Dec 11 03:28:21 <dawm> lemme look in the framework
Dec 11 03:28:33 * sugardave sings "Is it any wonder?"
Dec 11 03:28:46 <FoxFireX> I may try to rewrite some of my initialization code to use it, just to prove it works. ;)
Dec 11 03:30:19 <dawm> wow
Dec 11 03:30:22 <dawm> heh
Dec 11 03:30:27 <dawm> this is actually in the framework
Dec 11 03:30:36 <dawm> continueTransition = synchronizer.wrap(Mojo.doNothing);
Dec 11 03:30:50 <sugardave> that's what the example shows
Dec 11 03:31:06 <FoxFireX> Yeah, the doNothing gets used a bit.  It's just to set up a placeholder you can trigger when needed.
Dec 11 03:33:09 <dawm> well the only time its used in the framework is to doNothing heh
Dec 11 03:34:56 <FoxFireX> Synchronize lets you say "After these two (or however many) functions complete, then and only then run this other function.)
Dec 11 03:34:59 <FoxFireX> ) = "
Dec 11 03:35:16 <FoxFireX> But if you're waiting for asynchronous events, you may not be able to call those first functions directly.
Dec 11 03:35:35 <FoxFireX> By putting a call to the wrapped doNothing at the end of the handlers, you can trigger the "Oh, they're all done" logic.
Dec 11 03:37:24 <Bmyers_qwerty> like sql queries and other async stuff?
Dec 11 03:37:37 <Bmyers_qwerty> it'll wait until your successHandler fires?
Dec 11 03:39:12 <FoxFireX> Well, it'll wait until you call all the wrapped methods, such as a few doNothings, and you can call those in your successHandlers.
Dec 11 03:39:33 * FoxFireX is technical to a fault some times.
Dec 11 03:39:44 <FoxFireX> (Especially when I'm wrong. :) )
Dec 11 03:42:28 <FoxFireX> Let me bash my head against a couple more IIDX songs, and I'll see if I can make up some sample code and show it working.
Dec 11 03:42:34 <FoxFireX> I'm sure examples are key here.
Dec 11 03:48:04 <Bmyers_qwerty> FoxFireX: does that mean yes? :)
Dec 11 03:49:37 <FoxFireX> Mostly, as long as you understand "yes" correctly. :)
Dec 11 03:57:05 <FoxFireX> Okay, that's enough failure for the night.  Let me see what I can whip together.
Dec 11 04:00:18 <Bmyers_qwerty> i'd be interesting in seeing your finding there FoxFire.
Dec 11 04:00:31 <Bmyers_qwerty> findings (getting late 4 me too)
Dec 11 04:08:35 <offroad99> so is there a consensus on best option for extended battery for the pre?
Dec 11 04:11:36 <gkatsev> offroad99: seidio makes a 1350mAh battery, amazer (or w/e it actualy is) has a 1400mAh. there is also a 2600mAh and a 3600mAh but the latter two require a different back.
Dec 11 04:18:47 <sugardave> is this scenario fixed: you have an app on a homebrew site that was free, then you change its app ID at the homebrew repo and then submit the original app ID to Palm as a paid app....can people still get the 'updated' one for free?
Dec 11 04:19:17 <gkatsev> offroad99: 1150mAh is the default battery
Dec 11 04:21:31 <lyht> sugardave: if you have not paid for an app, you can't get it in the catalog.
Dec 11 04:21:54 <lyht> The catalog tracks if you have purchased it, rather than what you have on your phone.
Dec 11 04:22:01 <sugardave> lyht: thank you
Dec 11 04:22:28 <FoxFireX> So what are the odds I got this right the first time?
Dec 11 04:22:47 <sugardave> I put in nduid tracking in the paid version of Yule Log so I can see if I can get an accurate count of purchases
Dec 11 04:22:51 <sugardave> stay tuned
Dec 11 04:23:55 <lyht> So, how do I convert an array I have tacked a few extra things onto, into a object that will convert correctly into a string with Object.toJSON?
Dec 11 04:24:38 <sugardave> you can't add anything to an array except more indexes, can you?
Dec 11 04:24:50 <lyht> And how do I even know if it is an array rather than an object?
Dec 11 04:25:11 <lyht> sugardave: var bob = []; bob.stuff = "stuff"; works
Dec 11 04:25:24 <sugardave> oh
Dec 11 04:25:27 <sugardave> that's still an array
Dec 11 04:25:41 <FoxFireX> Cool, looks like it worked.  Let me add one thing then I'll bundle it for folks to look at.
Dec 11 04:25:56 <lyht> right. how do I get it converted into an object.
Dec 11 04:26:08 <reality9110> Bug in WebOS.  If you have a mail notification, and plug in the phone to USB, swipe the mail away before the charge/media sync/usb menu pops up, it will not load the charging menu fully and crashes the phone.
Dec 11 04:26:12 <reality9110> Fun
Dec 11 04:26:21 <sugardave> reality9110: good one
Dec 11 04:26:37 <sugardave> lyht: can you start it as an object to begin with?
Dec 11 04:27:11 <lyht> No, cause I am dealing with legacy settings stored on the phone, people who have previous versions.
Dec 11 04:27:13 <sugardave> things = {}; things.stuff = "stuff";
Dec 11 04:27:17 <sugardave> ah
Dec 11 04:27:29 <sugardave> well, you COULD do this:
Dec 11 04:27:35 <lyht> So I am trying to get the old-bad settings fixed.
Dec 11 04:27:57 <sugardave> make a temp object, then step through each index of the array and copy the values to new properties of the temp object
Dec 11 04:28:01 <sugardave> sucks, but will work
Dec 11 04:28:52 <lyht> how do I step through the non-array parts? the bob.extra stuff?
Dec 11 04:29:38 <lyht> if I do a for...in will it get those too?
Dec 11 04:30:29 <sugardave> hmmmm....I wonder if it might...depends on if js associative arrays support for in like objects
Dec 11 04:31:21 <sugardave> wait, isn't there a for/each specific to arrays?
Dec 11 04:31:48 <lyht> I dont know...
Dec 11 04:32:24 <sugardave> ECMA 262 defines a forEach method for arrays
Dec 11 04:33:27 <sugardave> but that still only looks like it works on numeric indexes
Dec 11 04:33:39 <lyht> yah, I dont think that will work.
Dec 11 04:34:20 <sugardave> wait, do you know all the "extra" index keys?
Dec 11 04:34:31 <rbredow> Anyone get payed from Palm today?  I got a paypal deposit for November.  Really cool...except it was about 1/10th of what I was expecting based on download counts for November.
Dec 11 04:35:08 <sugardave> rbredow: you canNOT use download counts for any meaningful measure of, well....anything
Dec 11 04:35:35 <sugardave> plus, I thought you'd only be getting paid for October
Dec 11 04:35:42 <sugardave> (60 days net)
Dec 11 04:35:50 <lyht_> whoops. back.
Dec 11 04:35:53 <FoxFireX> Okay, folks who were interested in Synchronize, look here:  http://www.foxtailsoftware.com/files/SyncDemo.zip
Dec 11 04:36:03 <FoxFireX> It has an IPK you can run, and full source.
Dec 11 04:36:11 <sugardave> lyht: do you know all the "extra" index keys?
Dec 11 04:36:27 <FoxFireX> Simulates three events which need to happen before a final call is invoked, and shows what's going on in real time on the screen.
Dec 11 04:36:31 <sugardave> FoxFireX: great job, now write a wiki article :D
Dec 11 04:36:39 <lyht_> yah... actually I do.
Dec 11 04:36:48 <FoxFireX> Each of the triggers has a random delay from 5 to 15 seconds.
Dec 11 04:36:50 <lyht_> of course. I can do it by hand.
Dec 11 04:36:51 <rbredow> There wasn't a statement or anything but the comments said "This is for November 2009 Payout".
Dec 11 04:37:26 <sugardave> lyht_: so, an object with those keys as properties that you can step through with for/in...then use that value as the array index to get its value, etc., etc.
Dec 11 04:37:41 <FoxFireX> sugardave: Maybe tomorrow.  Is late.
Dec 11 04:37:44 <lyht_> sugardave: yup. I think it will work.
Dec 11 04:37:56 <lyht_> rbredow: I missed something. You got a payment?
Dec 11 04:37:58 <FoxFireX> Shoulda gone to bed half an hour ago, but I wanted to get this together to make up for my misstatement earlier.
Dec 11 04:38:06 <sugardave> rbredow: interesting
Dec 11 04:38:10 <rbredow> Yes.
Dec 11 04:38:33 <sugardave> I want my $1.40 I earned from 10/30 - 10/31 dammit!
Dec 11 04:38:34 <lyht_> when was your app released?
Dec 11 04:38:37 <FoxFireX> (Although I maintain I was technically correct, based on my understanding of the question.  If you have a function in the process of executing, you can't make it stop and wait for another function to execute, as JavaScript is still single threaded.)
Dec 11 04:38:43 <sugardave> (not really, don't pay me yet, please)
Dec 11 04:40:20 <FoxFireX> dawm: Just using your name so you might notice I posted the sync example.
Dec 11 04:46:46 <FoxFireX> rick_home: Hopefully this completes my penance. :)  Night, all.
Dec 11 04:48:30 <rbredow> lyht_:  It was released on November 21.  I had 2167 downloads between two apps by Dec 1st.  Of course, downloads do not equal payments.
Dec 11 04:49:12 <lyht_> really... interesting...
Dec 11 04:49:53 <rbredow> Could be anything really.  Maybe it wasn’t all the way through the end of November.  I wrote my account rep tonight and we'll see.  Could be just an accounting error too...
Dec 11 04:50:04 <lyht_> hahaha
Dec 11 04:50:09 <lyht_> you hope not
Dec 11 04:53:39 <rbredow> Has anyone received a statement?  I'd expect that will be part of the process at some point soon.
Dec 11 04:56:51 <sugardave> I have gotten 0.  Hopefully, next month I will get something.
Dec 11 05:23:53 <yetdog> good evening everyone :)
Dec 11 05:45:51 <rbredow> If anyone feels like playing my game Paratroopers for a bit, I'd be happy to provide the link.  I'm getting quite close to submitting and would love any last feedback.
Dec 11 06:50:14 <catalystmediastu> The Palm Inspector is not working at all and will not display the HTML (lame) so does anyone know what the HTML looks like for a text field widget and what CSS styles apply to it? I'm trying to style it, but the hint text is all over and I have no idea what the actual HTML looks like that is generated
Dec 11 06:56:00 <rbredow> catalystmediastu: Try this preview from this google book link.  I think it's got the markup but I haven't tested it:  http://tinyurl.com/ydr88lk
Dec 11 06:57:34 <catalystmediastu> Thanks for the link. It looks like that's the HTML before the widget is setup. Once it sets up the text field it does some funky stuff. Not sure what, but it's weird.
Dec 11 07:01:35 <rbredow> Ah yes.  I've had the inspector up and running once.  If you make the first page that pops up the one you want to inspect, I've had the most luck.  A little tough to have to guess at the html.
Dec 11 07:02:51 <catalystmediastu> Yeah it's a beast. I've got a lightweight stage and I think that makes the inspector hate me. Oh well haha, I'll just keep experimenting. Thanks
Dec 11 07:03:15 <catalystmediastu> Oh and BTW that book on Google is pretty good. I think it's the one I'm reading now.
Dec 11 07:04:15 <rbredow> I should check it out.
Dec 11 07:05:58 <catalystmediastu> Hmm, I checked out he docs more. Looks like it's really hard to restyle any default widget without adding a custom class. I just added a class to the widget with "my-text-field" and styled by that class and things are working much better. Just a heads up
Dec 11 08:11:49 <rbredow> Isn't it nerve-racking to actually hit Submit on the application submission process?  I keep questioning if I've done it all right!
Dec 11 08:12:02 <rbredow> This app is about 100 times more complicated than my first two.  :)
Dec 11 08:13:47 * rbredow has hit the submit button.  Phew.
Dec 11 08:21:27 <geist> yay
Dec 11 08:28:49 <LoneStar34> howdy!
Dec 11 08:31:00 <LoneStar34> how would i send info to a stage with <div id="ABC"> "this.controller.setupWidget('ABC, {item:'networkData/ajaxGet/sbar'},this.model); " ??
Dec 11 08:31:04 <LoneStar34> thanks in advance
Dec 11 13:35:04 <dawm> Firewoot
Dec 11 13:35:21 <dawm> figured out a level transition that i can do
Dec 11 13:35:24 <dawm> er woot ;p
Dec 11 13:56:10 <istojic> i'm really very confused about dynamic Lists
Dec 11 14:07:47 <MetaView_> ups?
Dec 11 14:13:47 <Bmyers_qwerty> morn'n folks
Dec 11 14:22:20 <jbjoerk> istojic, anything in particular that confuse you? :)
Dec 11 14:25:41 <dawm> hrm
Dec 11 14:25:57 <dawm> anyone know of any Mojo.Drag examples i can peek at?
Dec 11 14:26:25 <OnlyByGrace> like gestures?
Dec 11 14:27:08 <dawm> nah, i dont like scriptaclous's drag functionality, but Mojo has its own
Dec 11 14:27:20 <dawm> https://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Drag.html
Dec 11 14:27:23 <dawm> but no example code =/
Dec 11 14:28:00 <OnlyByGrace> hmm nope sorry
Dec 11 15:06:23 <BowlofChilli> hey guys I might have an issue with the download manager where I am uploading a file...
Dec 11 15:06:38 <BowlofChilli> and I get this weird message log on the device only
Dec 11 15:06:49 <BowlofChilli> r: uint32_t DownloadManager::uploadPOST(const std::string&, const std::string&, const std::string&, std::vector<PostItem, std::allocator<PostItem> >&, std::vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, std::allocator<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > >&, std::vector<std::pair<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, std::basic_string<c
Dec 11 15:07:19 <BowlofChilli> am sorry I cant see any chat rooms with my client if there are any...have rarely used IRC
Dec 11 15:13:36 <OnlyByGrace> BowlofChilli: I don't understand your problenm
Dec 11 15:15:23 <BowlofChilli> do yyou see the log...it seems to me some kind of exception...it does not seem a proper system message
Dec 11 15:16:16 <BowlofChilli> I am talking about the log message below...I see this in the logs on device only
Dec 11 15:16:19 <BowlofChilli> r: uint32_t DownloadManager::uploadPOST(const std::string&, const std::string&, const std::string&, std::vector<PostItem, std::allocator<PostItem> >&, std::vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, std::allocator<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > >&, std::vector<std::pair<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, std::basic_string<c
Dec 11 15:16:30 <OnlyByGrace> on the Pre? when you do what?
Dec 11 15:16:56 <BowlofChilli> yep, when I am uploading a file
Dec 11 15:17:19 <BowlofChilli> I do not see this message on the emulator itself
Dec 11 15:18:04 <dawm> hrm
Dec 11 15:20:30 <dawm> i cant get opacity working
Dec 11 15:25:13 <Pre101> dawm: Do you have a leading zero before the .?
Dec 11 15:25:21 <dawm> yerp
Dec 11 15:28:13 <dawm> it works in my other scene, but i cant get it to work in another.. even in straight css/html
Dec 11 15:31:18 <svetter> good day
Dec 11 15:31:28 <svetter> I have a question
Dec 11 15:34:13 <svetter> is there some kind of reference for the palm-specific expressions? ( for example the expression "palm-body-text" or "palm-header" )
Dec 11 15:34:31 <svetter> where can I look up all these specific things?
Dec 11 15:35:01 <Pre101> expressions?  you mean styles?
Dec 11 15:35:11 <BowlofChilli> http://developer.palm.com/download/attachments/38731952/palm-mojo-styling-07.xls
Dec 11 15:35:17 <Pre101> There's an excel spreadsheet that has some.... that.
Dec 11 15:35:34 <Bmyers_qwerty> dont bother trying to print the beast for a cheat sheet tho
Dec 11 15:36:32 <Pre101> no kidding.
Dec 11 15:36:32 <svetter> thats what I meant. thanks a lot
Dec 11 15:40:04 <svetter> is "handleButtonPress" JavaScript? Or is it another special command for mojo?
Dec 11 15:44:07 <Pre101> sounds like some JavaScript.
Dec 11 16:06:30 <LoneStar34> Howdy Pre101
Dec 11 16:06:50 <LoneStar34> been using your site, for my second app
Dec 11 16:11:04 <dawm> ok.. doing the score tracking for level mode, trying to figure out whats the best way to save the top 10, should it be overall score and then show what level it was on? or highest score per level?
Dec 11 16:11:43 <dawm> since with the bonus points you could score higher on level 2 than you did on level 3
Dec 11 16:12:15 <dawm> so it would be like score:600 level: 2, score: 450 level: 3 .. etc
Dec 11 16:35:23 <edektor> Does webOS have web socket support
Dec 11 16:35:34 <dawm> dont think so
Dec 11 16:36:22 <edektor> Will it eventually
Dec 11 16:39:57 <dawm> id assume so
Dec 11 16:47:03 <Rick_work> since websocket was just anounced in Chrome _yesterday_  the answer is "not yet"
Dec 11 16:47:20 <Rick_work> since Dion is super pro of the tech, I assume the other answer is "yes eventually"
Dec 11 16:52:07 <Pre101> LoneStar34: Great!
Dec 11 16:52:13 <Pre101> Rick_work: Howdy.
Dec 11 16:52:34 <Rick_work> Hi Roy
Dec 11 16:56:47 <dawm> ok.. level mode added w/ scoring, score system revamped w/ bonuses, animation re-added and tweaked, new theme (and background support)
Dec 11 16:56:59 <dawm> i guess now i gotta work on the online leaderboard
Dec 11 17:00:05 <yetdog> good morning everyone!
Dec 11 17:01:09 <dawm> wassup
Dec 11 17:10:56 <yetdog> just playing around w/ depot
Dec 11 17:10:57 <istojic> is there any way to find out which time zone the device is in? that is, what's the difference between GMT and this device's time?
Dec 11 17:11:04 <yetdog> trying to do a simple username/password form and store in the db
Dec 11 17:11:09 <Rick_work> yetdog  depot sucks.
Dec 11 17:11:10 <Rick_work> Don't use it.
Dec 11 17:11:23 <istojic> yetdog: http://twitter.com/ivanstojic/status/6482307992
Dec 11 17:11:37 <Rick_work> use cookies for small stuff.  Use html5 sqlite for anything else
Dec 11 17:11:39 <yetdog> i need persistent login creds
Dec 11 17:11:47 <yetdog> cookies wont do right?
Dec 11 17:11:51 <Rick_work> yetdog use cookies
Dec 11 17:11:51 <istojic> yetdog: cookies!
Dec 11 17:11:56 <yetdog> dont they disappear when the app closes?
Dec 11 17:11:59 <Rick_work> nope
Dec 11 17:12:01 <yetdog> OH
Dec 11 17:12:07 <yetdog> thought they did
Dec 11 17:12:17 <Rick_work> you didn't read the storage walk through I sent you yesterday.
Dec 11 17:12:28 <Rick_work> I finished my "intro to storage" stuff last night
Dec 11 17:12:31 <Rick_work> want the link?
Dec 11 17:12:40 <yetdog> i read this
Dec 11 17:12:41 <yetdog> "Cookies are deleted when the application is deleted."
Dec 11 17:12:48 <yetdog> and read it as, deleted when app is closed
Dec 11 17:12:49 <yetdog> :(
Dec 11 17:12:50 <istojic> yetdog: deleted from the device, not closed
Dec 11 17:12:55 <yetdog> see, told you i read it ;)
Dec 11 17:12:57 <istojic> yetdog++
Dec 11 17:12:59 <Rick_work> so you did.
Dec 11 17:13:32 <istojic> Rick_work: i want the link to the intro to storage!
Dec 11 17:14:23 <Rick_work> istojic  ok, but you have to agree to give me feedback on it.
Dec 11 17:14:33 <istojic> Rick_work: where do i sign?
Dec 11 17:15:03 <yetdog> if i have a couple textfields that i want to insert into the cookie
Dec 11 17:15:10 <yetdog> how do i reference their values in the JS file?
Dec 11 17:15:22 <yetdog> var username = $('usernameId').value?
Dec 11 17:15:42 <Rick_work> you make up an object to hold what you want to go in the cookie.
Dec 11 17:15:57 <yetdog> well yeah, but to actually grab the field data is what im wondering
Dec 11 17:16:05 <Rick_work> cookieValue = {uname: Fred, pw: thing, url:myurl}
Dec 11 17:16:20 <Rick_work> and then you store the cookieValue in the cookie with a put call
Dec 11 17:16:32 <yetdog> yeah, i got that from your doc - awesome :)
Dec 11 17:16:47 <yetdog> but im wondering how to reference the value of the textfield on my html page
Dec 11 17:16:50 <yetdog> in the JS
Dec 11 17:17:17 <Rick_work> I don't understand what you're asking.
Dec 11 17:17:21 <yetdog> ok so i have a login form
Dec 11 17:17:26 <Rick_work> If you have a mojo textffield widget
Dec 11 17:17:26 <yetdog> where users can store their credentials
Dec 11 17:17:28 <yetdog> yes
Dec 11 17:17:35 <yetdog> i do
Dec 11 17:17:41 <Rick_work> and you have a model  loginNameModel
Dec 11 17:17:59 <Rick_work> then the value that was typed into the widget is loginNameModel.value
Dec 11 17:18:09 <yetdog> http://webos.pastebin.com/m2253c110
Dec 11 17:18:21 <istojic> Rick_work: beware that most newbies use anonymous objects as parameters / model for their widget
Dec 11 17:18:51 <istojic> so they might not have an actual reference to "loginNameModel" anywhere :-(
Dec 11 17:19:07 <Rick_work> yetdog -- re-read the intro-to-webos widgets section.  To acces hte model of your widget, you need to put the model OUTSIDE the setupWidget method
Dec 11 17:19:13 <yetdog> istojic might be onto something :)
Dec 11 17:19:17 <istojic> in which case, there's always the (undocumented) $('id_of_widget').mojo.getValue();
Dec 11 17:19:21 <Rick_work> and have a SEPERATE MODEL DEFINITION for it so that you can reference it later.......
Dec 11 17:19:24 <istojic> i think it's getValue();
Dec 11 17:19:36 <Rick_work> istojic  yes, but that sucks.  Use a seperate model.
Dec 11 17:19:37 <yetdog> yeah i think istojic is right. i need to instantiate (?) the model
Dec 11 17:19:53 <istojic> yetdog: no, you already instantiated an object, you just need to keep a reference to it somewhere
Dec 11 17:20:04 <istojic> the fact that you can't get at the model doesn't mean it doesn't exist :-p
Dec 11 17:20:14 <yetdog> exactly. thank you :)
Dec 11 17:20:16 <istojic> i could pastebin you a short example if you want it?
Dec 11 17:20:59 <Rick_work> so instead of this.model= {}  you do loginanemModel = {value: ""}  and then referenc logiNameModel in the setupwidget
Dec 11 17:21:01 <yetdog> i would love it!
Dec 11 17:22:54 <istojic> yetdog: http://pastebin.com/m1c442da4
Dec 11 17:23:36 <yetdog> yes, that's what i have now. so to reference the shareTextField
Dec 11 17:23:51 <yetdog> i would just use shareTextField.value?
Dec 11 17:23:58 <istojic> this.shareTextField.value
Dec 11 17:24:03 <yetdog> excellent...
Dec 11 17:24:06 <yetdog> i was close
Dec 11 17:24:07 <Rick_work> super simple
Dec 11 17:24:09 <yetdog> getting better :)
Dec 11 17:24:34 <istojic> yetdog: you suck bears :-) but hey, webOS is practically new... we all do! :-)
Dec 11 17:25:11 <yetdog> hahaha well i have my own self to blame for a lot...i have resisted JS with all my might
Dec 11 17:25:20 <yetdog> got too comfy w/ the sloppiness that PHP allows
Dec 11 17:25:34 <yetdog> now that AJAX is all the rage i need to get my poop together
Dec 11 17:26:03 <Rick_work> javascript is the bomb.
Dec 11 17:27:22 <yetdog> do i need to create a listener for a text field?
Dec 11 17:27:24 <yetdog> Mojo.Event.listen("username", Mojo.Event.propertyChange, this.handleUpdate);?
Dec 11 17:29:36 <yetdog> and....is there a way i can look on the filesystem to see where the cookie was stored and whats in it?
Dec 11 17:32:50 <Rick_work> nope
Dec 11 17:32:59 <Rick_work> it's stored in a sql database by the framework
Dec 11 17:33:24 <Rick_work> yetdog you do not need to do a listener for the field unless you care about character by character updates.
Dec 11 17:33:34 <yetdog> good stuff, thank goodness
Dec 11 17:34:07 <istojic> yetdog: my example might be a bit of an overkill in some sections (particularly widget config) - don't follow it... i'm trying to do semi-complex stuff...
Dec 11 17:34:08 <yetdog> and when i retrieve the cookie, this.cookieValue.username?
Dec 11 17:34:14 <yetdog> and this.cookieValue.password?
Dec 11 17:34:25 <yetdog> istojic your example is very helpful
Dec 11 17:35:40 <istojic> yetdog: cookies in 10 lines - http://pastebin.com/m4a68929b
Dec 11 17:36:25 <istojic> actually, take this one, this also features writing: http://pastebin.com/m6e92ea9
Dec 11 17:36:42 <yetdog> yeah i got all that :) thank you !
Dec 11 17:37:06 <yetdog> so when i read the cookie into a variable, its just this.cookieVariable.X
Dec 11 17:37:10 <yetdog> where X is the item in the cookie
Dec 11 17:37:11 <yetdog> right?
Dec 11 17:37:15 <yetdog> like, username
Dec 11 17:37:19 <Rick_work> yep
Dec 11 17:37:19 <istojic> nope
Dec 11 17:37:25 <yetdog> hahah
Dec 11 17:37:31 <istojic> wait, what?
Dec 11 17:37:32 <istojic> :-p
Dec 11 17:37:46 <istojic> well, it depends on what you mean by "read it into a variable"
Dec 11 17:37:54 <yetdog> lets say i do tihs
Dec 11 17:37:54 <yetdog> cookieValue = myCookie.get();
Dec 11 17:37:58 <Rick_work> if you do this.cookieValue =myCookie.get()
Dec 11 17:38:02 <yetdog> hehe
Dec 11 17:38:08 <istojic> okay, we're all in agreement! :)
Dec 11 17:38:11 <yetdog> var user = this.cookieValue.username
Dec 11 17:38:12 <yetdog> right?
Dec 11 17:38:16 <Rick_work> then you can get the passwword out of it by this.cookieValue.password
Dec 11 17:38:19 <yetdog> :)
Dec 11 17:38:22 <yetdog> thought so!
Dec 11 17:38:48 <istojic> yetdog: don't forget to check the edge case where yourCookie.get() returns undefined :-p
Dec 11 17:38:59 <Rick_work> absolutely
Dec 11 17:39:05 <yetdog> of course - still deciding on the flow of the app
Dec 11 17:39:36 <istojic> yetdog: i think the biggest hurdle you will have to face in going from lots of PHP to webOS's javascript style is the async nature of everything
Dec 11 17:39:38 <yetdog> just put this vid up last night for my site when it goes live in the app catalog
Dec 11 17:39:45 <yetdog> yep, it's a challenge
Dec 11 17:39:46 <yetdog> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpHuqiiMj8w
Dec 11 17:39:54 <yetdog> im working on the login stuff for v2 of the app
Dec 11 17:40:16 <yetdog> aaand both apps have changed status to "being reviewed"!!! :)
Dec 11 17:40:22 <istojic> yetdog: i envy you for your voice :-p
Dec 11 17:40:30 <yetdog> lol why?
Dec 11 17:40:48 <istojic> i'm both not a native english speaker, and i'm nasal and high pitched :-p
Dec 11 17:41:12 <yetdog> yeah well...i envy people who know 2+ languages
Dec 11 17:41:20 <yetdog> i think its brilliant *shrugs*
Dec 11 17:41:39 * istojic was about to say "wait, if you are american, don't you know spanish?" >:-)
Dec 11 17:41:41 <Rick_work> Heck, I -am- a native speaker, and my voice is high pitched, and weird sounding, and my video on sprint.com has 3000+ downloads anyway. :-)
Dec 11 17:41:49 <yetdog> hahaha!!! :)
Dec 11 17:41:58 * yetdog is building the border fence himself
Dec 11 17:42:07 <yetdog> grrrrr
Dec 11 17:42:09 <istojic> btw, you don't want to know the price i paid for my pre here in east europe
Dec 11 17:42:22 <yetdog> this phone is awesome, i love it
Dec 11 17:42:24 <Rick_work> I don't.   Unlocked GSM Pre?
Dec 11 17:42:32 <istojic> Rick_work: yup...
Dec 11 17:42:36 <Rick_work> should be about $700.
Dec 11 17:42:39 <yetdog> i really do hope the GPU gets opened eventually. its just not as responsive and smooth as the iPhone
Dec 11 17:42:46 <yetdog> ouch 7 bones
Dec 11 17:42:46 <Rick_work> GPU coming.
Dec 11 17:42:51 <istojic> $800
Dec 11 17:42:55 <Rick_work> ahhh
Dec 11 17:43:01 <istojic> i'm not in central europe, i'm from croatia
Dec 11 17:43:06 <Rick_work> AHHHhhhhh
Dec 11 17:43:17 <yetdog> do you see what i mean about the responsiveness, though? scrolling in the launcher. even in apps, is *just* a touch behind, whereas the iphone its like youre dragging paper realtime
Dec 11 17:43:19 <Rick_work> you had to have someone get it from Germany for you.
Dec 11 17:43:30 <istojic> Rick_work: that's what friends are for ;-)
Dec 11 17:43:39 <istojic> and i'm such a techno nerd... price was not an issue really
Dec 11 17:43:44 <yetdog> i wonder if the GPU will fix that
Dec 11 17:43:49 <yetdog> im with ya istojic
Dec 11 17:44:08 <Rick_work> I would GLADY pay full price for an unlocked gsm developer's pixi
Dec 11 17:44:24 <Rick_work> that I could stick a pay-as-you-go sim in.
Dec 11 17:44:48 <yetdog> as far as plans in the USA go, though, sprint is amazing, IMO
Dec 11 17:44:50 <yetdog> im very happy
Dec 11 17:44:51 <istojic> i'm not really clear on details - lazy a bit - is there much difference between the pre and pixi, except the screen size?
Dec 11 17:45:00 <yetdog> slower proc
Dec 11 17:45:01 <Rick_work> pixi no wifi
Dec 11 17:45:07 <Rick_work> pixi SLIGHTLY slower processor
Dec 11 17:45:14 <Rick_work> pixi 320x400
Dec 11 17:45:29 <yetdog> IMO, pixi = another try at centro success
Dec 11 17:45:46 <yetdog> but this time they actually have a great OS
Dec 11 17:46:15 <istojic> but honestly... the first day with pre was hell... gestures were not working for me, then it just clicked. now, a week later, i'm in love with the phone as much as i was with the SDK from the first moment
Dec 11 17:46:38 <yetdog> i played w/ the phone back in july in a sprint store (was still an iphone owner) and was very disappointed w/ performance
Dec 11 17:46:47 <yetdog> picture rendering, touch response. all lousy
Dec 11 17:46:52 <yetdog> they've really shored things up well
Dec 11 17:46:58 <yetdog> still more work to do, though
Dec 11 17:47:10 <eekfuh1> chuqui
Dec 11 17:47:18 <yetdog> but im willing to be an early adopter and grow with the platform
Dec 11 17:47:23 <yetdog> because i really do think amazing things are ahead
Dec 11 17:47:47 <istojic> yetdog: not if you use anonymous objects ;-)
Dec 11 17:47:52 <chuqui> did I hear my name? (yawn, stretch). I was.. .working
Dec 11 17:47:56 <eekfuh1> lol
Dec 11 17:47:58 <eekfuh1> yessir
Dec 11 17:48:14 <chuqui> here's an interesting slide deck on webOS from the author of Sorting Thoughts: http://sortingthoughts.posterous.com/my-slides-about-webos-app-by-example-sorting
Dec 11 17:48:16 <yetdog> haha ist ;)
Dec 11 17:48:17 <eekfuh1> question about last nights payments to people
Dec 11 17:48:27 <yetdog> chuq are you tweeting too? just got that tweet ;)
Dec 11 17:48:28 <eekfuh1> was it actually Octoboer
Dec 11 17:48:30 <eekfuh1> or Novembers
Dec 11 17:48:33 <chuqui> yes, I am.
Dec 11 17:49:17 <chuqui> I don't know.
Dec 11 17:49:38 <eekfuh1> because it said "Novembers Payment"
Dec 11 17:49:42 <eekfuh1> and I never got Octobers
Dec 11 17:50:06 <eekfuh1> and that doesn't make sense anyways since its only been 10 days since November and I assumed you'd have a waiting period
Dec 11 17:50:07 <chuqui> I heard it was October.
Dec 11 17:50:23 <eekfuh1> k
Dec 11 17:50:24 <eekfuh1> cool
Dec 11 17:50:26 <chuqui> but Im' not in the loop. circle back to your account manager and ask them.
Dec 11 17:50:30 <chuqui> they love when I say that...
Dec 11 17:50:40 <pandora--> eekfuh1: everyone with paid/downloaded apps?
Dec 11 17:50:56 <eekfuh1> ahhah
Dec 11 17:50:58 <pandora--> i haven't received any payments, to my knowledge
Dec 11 17:51:05 <Marss> The pre is sucking so much as a video player. Anyone else get stuttering in videos?
Dec 11 17:51:11 <eekfuh1> did you have something available to buy in October?
Dec 11 17:51:55 <pandora--> hmm, i think it went live about 3 days into november
Dec 11 17:52:06 <istojic> Marss: i seem to recall somebody asking that same question yesterday, and there's even a thread on precentral.net, but i never had any problems
Dec 11 17:55:04 <Marss> Do you have a link to that thread? Using wirc
Dec 11 17:59:05 <Marss> Think I will post a thread
Dec 11 17:59:48 <istojic> hm... just a second
Dec 11 18:00:01 <istojic> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/216446-palm-pre-chokes-falling-use-youtube-1-3-1-a.html
Dec 11 18:01:54 <pandora--> wow
Dec 11 18:05:44 <Marss> That's youtube. I also have problems with that but I am trying to play some videos from the player
Dec 11 18:05:54 <Marss> It plays but every now and again it jersks, slowdown or stutters
Dec 11 18:14:21 <yetdog> istojic: see anything wrong with this?
Dec 11 18:14:22 <yetdog> http://webos.pastebin.com/m141eeaca
Dec 11 18:14:34 <yetdog> im getting a log error in /var/log/messages
Dec 11 18:14:40 <yetdog> when i comment that section out it works ok
Dec 11 18:14:58 <dawm> kesne, wake up
Dec 11 18:14:59 <Rick_work> yetdoc yes you have an error
Dec 11 18:15:09 <yetdog> obviously :)
Dec 11 18:15:11 <Rick_work> line 1 says var myCooke
Dec 11 18:15:14 <istojic> uhm... this isn't php
Dec 11 18:15:19 <Rick_work> like 2 says this.mycookie
Dec 11 18:15:25 <Rick_work> two different things.
Dec 11 18:15:30 <yetdog> hmm
Dec 11 18:15:41 <Rick_work> you must be consistant
Dec 11 18:15:52 <Rick_work> one is a variable, the other is a property of the function
Dec 11 18:16:08 <Rick_work> pick
Dec 11 18:16:11 <yetdog> ahhh
Dec 11 18:16:58 <yetdog> so if i take out this.
Dec 11 18:17:03 <yetdog> i leave in the var
Dec 11 18:17:04 <yetdog> ?
Dec 11 18:17:38 <Rick_work> yep
Dec 11 18:17:48 <yetdog> hmm still erroring
Dec 11 18:25:02 <yetdog> ok got it. wasnt calling my cookie a name when creating the object
Dec 11 18:28:30 <sugardave> you know what's missing from the app catalog?  hockey team apps
Dec 11 18:28:54 <Rick_work> NCAA dvision 1 basketball apps
Dec 11 18:29:00 <natenrb9> and basketball and football team apps...
Dec 11 18:29:04 <natenrb9> so lame...
Dec 11 18:29:12 <Rick_work> state by state lottery apps, we could make like 40 of them tommorow
Dec 11 18:29:20 <natenrb9> lol
Dec 11 18:29:27 <Rick_work> how many division 1 schools re there?
Dec 11 18:29:42 <natenrb9> please don't
Dec 11 18:30:43 <sirgeoph> yo
Dec 11 18:31:59 <lyht> yo sirgeoph
Dec 11 18:32:26 <Rick_work> so, look,  if we make up a set of division 1 apps, football and bball schedules,  which we could do fast,
Dec 11 18:32:30 <dawm> holy crap
Dec 11 18:32:40 <Rick_work> we could push the app catalog past 1000 apps in the next week.
Dec 11 18:32:43 <dawm> i really need to put a callhome if someoen beats level 11.. cause i think its impossible
Dec 11 18:32:51 <yetdog> if i have a function that is called when a button is pressed, and that function's purpose is to write the cookie, do i have to pass the function the cookie variable that was set up in the setup() function?
Dec 11 18:32:57 <sirgeoph> haven't been on irc in ages... @Adora on twitter suggested i come by... i'm the developer of the Foursquare app
Dec 11 18:33:10 <Rick_work> sirgeoph  WELCOME.
Dec 11 18:33:20 <yetdog> awesome - im looking fwd to 4square
Dec 11 18:34:12 <gkatsev> sirgeoph: cool, welcome. need beta testers?
Dec 11 18:34:16 <natenrb9> sirgeoph: and Send Map!
Dec 11 18:34:27 <natenrb9> ?
Dec 11 18:34:38 <sirgeoph> i will eventually. the code is up on github right now, so feel free to play around. there's a compiled ipk in there too
Dec 11 18:34:43 <natenrb9> Speed Dial Plus?
Dec 11 18:35:03 <Rick_work> URL sirgeoph
Dec 11 18:35:06 <Rick_work> ???
Dec 11 18:35:15 <sirgeoph> http://github.com/foursquare/foursquare-palmpre
Dec 11 18:35:16 <natenrb9> sirgeoph: I mean, those are your apps too right?
Dec 11 18:35:33 <sugardave> Rick_work: 131 div1 schools (or very close to that #)
Dec 11 18:35:34 <sirgeoph> no, Foursquare's the only thing I am or have worked on
Dec 11 18:35:42 <natenrb9> ah
Dec 11 18:35:44 <sirgeoph> for webos anyhow
Dec 11 18:36:06 <gkatsev> sirgeoph: cool. will definitely get it.
Dec 11 18:36:12 <sirgeoph> but eyah, my plan is to have an alpha release by the end of next week and a beta release ebfore year's end
Dec 11 18:36:16 <Rick_work> sugardave  so, if we did bball, and football apps for all of them, we would effectively push the app catalog over 1000 apps at one swell foop.
Dec 11 18:36:20 <natenrb9> rick_work: please don't :) enough spam as it is...
Dec 11 18:36:36 <sugardave> Rick_work: yeah, that's a GREAT idea :D
Dec 11 18:36:44 <Rick_work> I could write a program to write apps.  :-)
Dec 11 18:36:49 <natenrb9> what someone needs to do is 1 good sports app
Dec 11 18:36:57 <natenrb9> that is what will make money
Dec 11 18:37:03 <Rick_work> it'll work fine until the $50 fee to submit an app kicks in.
Dec 11 18:37:04 <natenrb9> not a bunch of 1 team apps, loame
Dec 11 18:37:10 <natenrb9> lame
Dec 11 18:37:32 <Rick_work> but if you have an "all teams" app, you can't find it by searching for your team's name. :-(
Dec 11 18:37:44 <Rick_work> Jayhawks!!!  Rock Chalk!!!!
Dec 11 18:37:49 <natenrb9> lol, and this is important why...?
Dec 11 18:37:58 <natenrb9> you can find it by searching sports
Dec 11 18:38:20 <Rick_work> which part of Rock Chalk didn'tyou understand?  :-)   Come on, the crimson and the blue.....
Dec 11 18:38:41 <Rick_work> Beware of the phog...
Dec 11 18:38:56 <Rick_work> gotta have a phog app.
Dec 11 18:39:11 <Rick_work> and I'm sure that huskers and shockers and tarheels feel much the same way.
Dec 11 18:40:09 <sugardave> Texas will send its army of lawyers after you if you don't get a license agreement
Dec 11 18:40:12 <sugardave> bastards
Dec 11 18:40:37 <sugardave> Rick_work: play farmville?  go look at my farm
Dec 11 18:40:42 <Rick_work> If I really wanted to copy the iphone model, I would take the code for simple big book, and the 100 top downloads from project gutenberg, and produce 100 apps that were single-ebook-readers.
Dec 11 18:40:44 <gkatsev> sirgeoph: what are you using for dev?
Dec 11 18:40:53 * Rick_work does not play farmville
Dec 11 18:41:03 <fez252> anyone know how i can display html content inside of a webview without providing a url. kind of like when you view an email
Dec 11 18:41:08 <sugardave> Rick_work: good idea...I stopped for awhile and my wife begged me to play last night
Dec 11 18:41:28 <Rick_work> fez252 you don't bother with a webview
Dec 11 18:41:35 <sugardave> fez252: as far as I know, you have to provide some kind of url to a webview
Dec 11 18:41:39 <Rick_work> the whole point of a webOS app is that it's all html
Dec 11 18:41:47 <Rick_work> you just put your content inside a div.
Dec 11 18:42:01 <Rick_work> if it's long, put the div in a scroller.
Dec 11 18:42:01 <fez252> but i want to be able to zoom in/out like in email
Dec 11 18:43:02 <fez252> anyone know how the email app does that?
Dec 11 18:43:24 <wizt> Hi! Is the is right place to ask questions regarsing webOS developing ?
Dec 11 18:43:30 <wizt> developement*
Dec 11 18:43:31 <Rick_work> source is on the phone.....
Dec 11 18:43:34 <sugardave> fez252: not sure, but it's probably a webview
Dec 11 18:43:39 <Rick_work> wizt yes
Dec 11 18:43:40 <sugardave> wizt: yes
Dec 11 18:43:47 <yetdog> rick_work: cookieValue = {username: this.username.value, password: this.password.value};
Dec 11 18:43:55 <yetdog> emu griping about can't find value of undefined
Dec 11 18:44:03 <sirgeoph> gkatsev: i'm using Coda on osx with the Mojo extension
Dec 11 18:44:12 <wizt> ok, just wondering if it is possible to write text in a <canvas> ? I have googled for 30min now without any success...  :)
Dec 11 18:44:13 <Rick_work> pastebin the whole thing yetdog
Dec 11 18:44:20 <wizt> or "draw" text
Dec 11 18:44:28 <sugardave> wizt: I think no
Dec 11 18:44:32 <yetdog> http://pastebin.com/m565ea130
Dec 11 18:44:35 <sugardave> you could draw it, sure
Dec 11 18:44:47 <Rick_work> sugardave, sure it is,that's what bespin does
Dec 11 18:45:03 <sirgeoph> i was going to mention bespin
Dec 11 18:45:17 <sugardave> really?  I thought I read somewhere that you can't really do text on canvas
Dec 11 18:45:17 <sirgeoph> from what i understand, it took tons of research and failures to finally get it right
Dec 11 18:45:19 <wizt> sugardave: ok :S is there any way to write text over a canvas then? Just thinking of creating somesort of game using <canvas> :S
Dec 11 18:45:26 <sugardave> I don't even know what bespin is :O
Dec 11 18:45:39 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Caveman!
Dec 11 18:45:48 <gkatsev> sugardave: mozilla's onine text/code editor
Dec 11 18:45:49 <sirgeoph> https://bespin.mozilla.com/
Dec 11 18:45:55 <Rick_work> http://jim.studt.net/canvastext/
Dec 11 18:46:15 <sugardave> wizt: don't listen to me :D
Dec 11 18:46:21 <wizt> hah :) ok
Dec 11 18:46:31 <sirgeoph> haha, just noticed that the current release of bespin is called "Bubba Ho-tep"
Dec 11 18:46:44 <gkatsev> haha, nice
Dec 11 18:46:53 <Rick_work> wizt  http://typeface.neocracy.org/
Dec 11 18:47:23 <Roy-Pre101> Rick_work: Canvas has text functions, though not terribly complex ones, to my knowledge.
Dec 11 18:47:25 <sugardave> I'm just glad to have come this far
Dec 11 18:47:27 <wizt> Rick_work: hmm.. ok, so there is no "native" way to do it then :S
Dec 11 18:47:34 <Rick_work> wizt  http://code.google.com/p/canvas-text/
Dec 11 18:48:31 <Roy-Pre101> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-canvas-element.html#text
Dec 11 18:48:32 <wizt> Rick_work: yeah, i've been there, just wondering if there is any way without using a library to do it.. well this just has to cut it then..
Dec 11 18:48:32 <Rick_work> Roy-Pre101 wizt  Roy is right
Dec 11 18:48:35 <Rick_work> there is a native way
Dec 11 18:48:37 <Rick_work> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Drawing_text_using_a_canvas
Dec 11 18:49:21 <wizt> Rick_work: ain't that only for Gecko
Dec 11 18:49:21 <Roy-Pre101> Not all may be supported in webOS's canvas currently (I'm not saying they're not!) and they're not supported in Safari 3.
Dec 11 18:49:21 <Rick_work> fillText() is part of the html5 standard
Dec 11 18:50:00 <Rick_work> strokeText() also should be supported.
Dec 11 18:50:03 <wizt> well lets hope it works :) will report back as soon as i get around testing it..
Dec 11 18:50:06 <Rick_work> as part of the html5 standard
Dec 11 18:50:18 <wizt> thanks for the help guys!
Dec 11 18:51:05 <Rick_work> http://blog.nihilogic.dk/2009/02/html5-canvas-cheat-sheet.html
Dec 11 18:51:18 <yetdog> cheat sheets are always good :)
Dec 11 18:51:52 <sugardave> Yule Log has changed to the dreaded "Being Reviewed" status
Dec 11 18:51:57 * Rick_work good with google
Dec 11 18:52:00 <sugardave> I hear the process is speeding up?
Dec 11 18:52:03 <yetdog> same here sugardave
Dec 11 18:52:09 <yetdog> 2 apps being reviewed right now
Dec 11 18:52:16 <wizt> Rick_work: nice, thanks!
Dec 11 18:52:20 <sugardave> yetdog: cool
Dec 11 18:52:35 <Rick_work> yetdog, re your pastebin
Dec 11 18:53:00 <yetdog> apparently im not referencing the field values correctly
Dec 11 18:55:27 <Rick_work> you are using both the terms username.value and usermodel.value
Dec 11 18:55:34 <Rick_work> but your field values are in the MODEL
Dec 11 18:55:48 <Rick_work> so I'm not sure where all this username stuff is coming from.....
Dec 11 18:56:20 <yetdog> well username is the name of the div ID
Dec 11 18:56:24 <yetdog> where they put their username in
Dec 11 18:56:27 <yetdog> and hence the name of the model
Dec 11 18:56:28 <Rick_work> yeah
Dec 11 18:56:40 <Rick_work> but that's not the variable that the thing they put in is sotored in
Dec 11 18:56:45 <Rick_work> it's stored in teh model.
Dec 11 18:57:09 <Rick_work> when you do  this.controller.setupWidget("username", this.userAttributes, this.userModel);
Dec 11 18:57:24 <yetdog> ahh..so how do you get at the model?
Dec 11 18:57:28 <Rick_work> then you are saying "put the values that are typed into this here widget, into the model I called this.usermodel.
Dec 11 18:57:42 <Rick_work> this.usermodel.value ...  contains what they typed.
Dec 11 18:57:56 <yetdog> ah HA :)
Dec 11 18:57:59 <yetdog> *light bulb*
Dec 11 18:58:15 <Rick_work> wait a minute yetdog  (Matt?  Is that right, I forget.)
Dec 11 18:58:17 <yetdog> yes
Dec 11 18:58:19 <yetdog> matt :)
Dec 11 18:58:31 <Rick_work> ok  so, that's teh bulb for the widget
Dec 11 18:58:34 <Rick_work> now to to the cookie
Dec 11 18:58:51 <Rick_work> you got this.usermodel.value  has the typeing from the username widget
Dec 11 18:59:03 <Rick_work> and this.passwordmodel.value has the typing from the password widget
Dec 11 18:59:10 <Rick_work> now you gotta put them INTO the cookie
Dec 11 18:59:12 <Rick_work> so
Dec 11 18:59:39 <Rick_work> myCookie = {name: this.usermodel.value, pw: this.passwordmodel.value)
Dec 11 18:59:51 <yetdog> yep! just fixed that up
Dec 11 19:00:00 <yetdog> cookieValue = {uname: this.userModel.value, pword: this.passModel.value};
Dec 11 19:00:00 <yetdog> 		    this.myCookie.put(cookieValue);
Dec 11 19:00:10 <Rick_work> notnod!!!! YEP EYP
Dec 11 19:00:35 <Rick_work> and then when you get it out, it's cookievalue.uname and cookievalue.pword
Dec 11 19:00:57 <Rick_work> since you're passing the VALUE of the model not the model object itself
Dec 11 19:01:05 <yetdog> cookevalue.pword.value
Dec 11 19:01:08 <yetdog> or just cookievalue.pword
Dec 11 19:01:10 <Rick_work> no
Dec 11 19:01:14 <Rick_work> just .pword
Dec 11 19:01:32 <Rick_work> k?
Dec 11 19:01:33 <yetdog> so if my submit button writes the cookie, and then pops the scene
Dec 11 19:01:39 <yetdog> when i go back into the scene
Dec 11 19:01:43 <yetdog> it should detect that there is already a cookie
Dec 11 19:01:44 <yetdog> ?
Dec 11 19:01:47 <Rick_work> nodnod
Dec 11 19:01:49 <yetdog> :)
Dec 11 19:01:56 <yetdog> playing now, thanks! will let you know
Dec 11 19:02:07 <Rick_work> yetdog -- another useful tool.
Dec 11 19:02:11 <Rick_work> jsbeautifer.org
Dec 11 19:02:21 <Rick_work> drop your code in there and clean it up.
Dec 11 19:02:24 <Rick_work> it's a mess.
Dec 11 19:02:39 <yetdog> lol thanks
Dec 11 19:06:36 * sugardave hides his source from Rick.
Dec 11 19:08:04 <yetdog> weird
Dec 11 19:08:12 <yetdog> so i have set the cookie, and verified that it's been created
Dec 11 19:08:37 <yetdog> but when i go back to the login scene, the username/password fields look blank - with the hintText showing
Dec 11 19:08:47 <yetdog> even tho i wrote code to show the value of each if the cookie exists
Dec 11 19:09:03 <sugardave> how are you getting the cookie values?
Dec 11 19:09:18 <Rick_work> did you update this.usermodel.value from the cookie before you did setupWidget or after?
Dec 11 19:09:20 <sugardave> cookie.get().interestingData
Dec 11 19:09:30 <yetdog> http://pastebin.com/m2acc7baa
Dec 11 19:09:35 <Rick_work> if you did it after you have to do noticemodelupdates
Dec 11 19:09:59 <yetdog> before i setupwidget
Dec 11 19:10:07 <Rick_work> no no yetdog.
Dec 11 19:10:19 <Rick_work> You dont' want to REDEFINE usermodel
Dec 11 19:10:27 <Rick_work> you want to UPDATE usernmodel
Dec 11 19:10:39 <Rick_work> this.usermodel.value = this.cookieValue.uname
Dec 11 19:10:41 <yetdog> hmm
Dec 11 19:10:51 <Rick_work> what you did was create a NEW model object, and a bad one at that.
Dec 11 19:11:19 <yetdog> ah i see
Dec 11 19:11:55 <yetdog> so i updated the values, but still showing like new/blank
Dec 11 19:12:00 <yetdog> do i hvae to call an updatemodel func?
Dec 11 19:13:24 <wizt> Rick_work: Thanks for the info on the fillText, it worked nicely :)
Dec 11 19:13:26 <Rick_work> yetdog do Mojo.Log.info(this.cookieValue.uname)
Dec 11 19:13:33 <Rick_work> to see if it worked.
Dec 11 19:13:54 <Rick_work> welcome wizt
Dec 11 19:15:35 <wizt> still.. webOS is not that nice to code games for, no easy way to create some text, move it around and then make it disappear :S
Dec 11 19:15:47 <yetdog> this.cookieValue.uname undefined :(
Dec 11 19:15:58 <Rick_work> so you screwed up.  :-)
Dec 11 19:16:04 <gkatsev> wizt: canvas ftw
Dec 11 19:16:07 <yetdog> *nods expectantly*
Dec 11 19:16:15 <wizt> or does anyone have any ideas how that could be done :S
Dec 11 19:16:17 <Rick_work> log your cookievalue stuff before you do your put to see if you got it right.
Dec 11 19:16:19 <wizt> heh :)
Dec 11 19:19:06 <yetdog> woo! :)
Dec 11 19:19:20 <yetdog> ok rick - i had a reference issue in the cookie set function
Dec 11 19:19:31 <Rick_work> good for you matt.
Dec 11 19:19:32 <yetdog> fixed that - then had a bug where if there was already a cookie set, it would ignore and not reset.
Dec 11 19:19:41 <Rick_work> The relentless application of logic.
Dec 11 19:19:42 <yetdog> so changed that, and now it's there :) so sweet, thx again
Dec 11 19:19:59 <Rick_work> step by step by painful step.
Dec 11 19:20:04 <Rick_work> debugging is so much fun
Dec 11 19:20:30 <Rick_work> but oddly, you understand the whole idea of cookies and widgets vastly more than you did an hour ago.
Dec 11 19:20:33 <yetdog> not as easy to trace as say, c++ tho right?
Dec 11 19:20:42 <yetdog> absolutely. every problem we solve i get that much stronger
Dec 11 19:21:54 <Rick_work> ok,  Really really like the cow can app.
Dec 11 19:22:08 <Rick_work> my 3 year old niece likes the cow can app.
Dec 11 19:22:32 <Rick_work> So, hmmmm
Dec 11 19:22:48 <sugardave> I had a cow can when I was a kid
Dec 11 19:22:51 <sugardave> I loved that thing
Dec 11 19:23:04 <Rick_work> each time you turn the pre over, you get a different farm animal displayed and a different sound?   Farm Can...  picture of a silo with animals standing around?
Dec 11 19:23:12 <sugardave> yeah
Dec 11 19:23:27 <sugardave> but it needs the option to pick a particular animal, too
Dec 11 19:23:43 <Rick_work> hmmm wonder howmany farm animals freesound has?
Dec 11 19:23:58 <Rick_work> zoo can.  Farm Can Pet Can.
Dec 11 19:24:11 <yetdog> UGH. login form works on emu, not device :( fields dont even show up as clickable (and no hinttext) on dev :(
Dec 11 19:24:29 <sugardave> yetdog: now that is unexpected behavior
Dec 11 19:24:30 <yetdog> gonna novaterm it
Dec 11 19:24:31 <yetdog> check the logs
Dec 11 19:24:32 <Rick_work> now that's weird.
Dec 11 19:24:41 <Rick_work> never seen that yetdog
Dec 11 19:25:07 <Rick_work> before you fix it, please make a copy of your source folder....
Dec 11 19:25:14 <Rick_work> lemketron may want to see it.
Dec 11 19:25:45 <yetdog> done
Dec 11 19:25:51 <yetdog> its behaving like the emu did before
Dec 11 19:25:57 <yetdog> when i did something to break the textfield widgets
Dec 11 19:26:19 <Rick_work> yetdog  remove the app from the device using the list in lauchpad
Dec 11 19:26:23 <Rick_work> then re-install
Dec 11 19:26:57 <yetdog> same deal. weird
Dec 11 19:27:07 <yetdog> even the submit button doesnt work
Dec 11 19:27:16 <yetdog> ok so i just need to look @ logs on the device
Dec 11 19:27:24 <yetdog> but /var/log/messages doesnt seem to give the same info as it does on the emu
Dec 11 19:28:00 <Rick_work> palm-list -d usb -f com.myapp.appname  from a commandline yetdog
Dec 11 19:28:10 <yetdog> ah
Dec 11 19:28:35 <sugardave> yetdog: yeah, you can only Mojo.Log.error on the device atm
Dec 11 19:29:43 <yetdog> palm-list in /usr/bin?
Dec 11 19:29:56 <Rick_work> on your desktop
Dec 11 19:29:57 <yetdog> ah
Dec 11 19:29:59 <Rick_work> in sdk/bin
Dec 11 19:30:34 <yetdog> no such thing as palm-list?
Dec 11 19:30:46 <yetdog> palm-launch, palm-log, etc
Dec 11 19:31:57 <Rick_work> log
Dec 11 19:31:58 <Rick_work> sorry
Dec 11 19:32:04 <Rick_work> my bad
Dec 11 19:32:06 <pandora--> hey, have any of you by chance used iHate411 (my app) in the catalog?  I want to get some feedback for it
Dec 11 19:32:08 <yetdog> np :)
Dec 11 19:33:20 <yetdog> ok cannot read property uname of undefined :) ill look into this
Dec 11 19:33:27 <pandora--> and crap, whats with the sports apps flood??
Dec 11 19:33:29 <yetdog> i must be doing something assuming the cookie is set
Dec 11 19:33:32 <dawm> lol
Dec 11 19:33:32 <lyht> pandora--: I have not used it.
Dec 11 19:33:49 <sugardave> pandora--: what sports apps?
Dec 11 19:33:54 <sugardave> I don't see any!
Dec 11 19:34:09 <pandora--> sugardave: hockey hockey hockey, and the other day it was like 20 football apps
Dec 11 19:34:18 <yetdog> there ew go
Dec 11 19:34:21 <yetdog> thats what it was rick
Dec 11 19:34:23 <pandora--> same company, same logo, different team
Dec 11 19:34:25 <pandora--> spam!
Dec 11 19:34:27 <pandora--> hehe
Dec 11 19:34:30 <lyht> I installed a patch that filters out all the sports apps.
Dec 11 19:34:34 <yetdog> had debug code in there that was trying to output uname var
Dec 11 19:34:36 <pandora--> lyht: want
Dec 11 19:34:39 <yetdog> even if there wasnt a cookie
Dec 11 19:34:44 <lyht> hehe. Me too.
Dec 11 19:34:48 <yetdog> worked on the emu because the cookie was there
Dec 11 19:34:49 <lyht> wish it existed.
Dec 11 19:34:54 <yetdog> and was created before i put in the faulty debug code :)
Dec 11 19:34:57 <yetdog> so it never tripped
Dec 11 19:35:08 <Rick_work> because the cookie didn't exist.
Dec 11 19:35:16 <Rick_work> gotcha
Dec 11 19:35:16 <yetdog> yep
Dec 11 19:35:26 <yetdog> thx for the debug command. that'll come in handy
Dec 11 19:35:39 <Rick_work> so, it's a classic nevermind for lemketron the emulator vs pre is fine
Dec 11 19:35:48 <sugardave> haha
Dec 11 19:35:53 <pandora--> lyht: wonder what % of code monkeys like us are big sports fans compared to the palm user (vs. developer) demographic
Dec 11 19:35:58 <sugardave> lemketron: NEVERMIND
Dec 11 19:36:04 <dawm> pandora--, lol
Dec 11 19:36:27 <pandora--> <- not a sports fan
Dec 11 19:36:28 <sugardave> pandora--: I like football enough to be a fan of one college and one pro team
Dec 11 19:36:34 <sugardave> that's about it for sports and me
Dec 11 19:36:53 <yetdog> think palm is afraid of alienating devs?
Dec 11 19:36:56 <yetdog> hence the spamapps?
Dec 11 19:37:06 <pandora--> sugardave: my fiancee is UCLA alumni, i'm obligated to watch the UCLA-USC football game once a year, and I actually enjoy it :)
Dec 11 19:37:18 <sugardave> pandora--: didn't UCLA win this year?
Dec 11 19:37:21 <sugardave> I hope so
Dec 11 19:37:23 <sugardave> I hate USC
Dec 11 19:37:31 <pandora--> nope
Dec 11 19:37:34 <pandora--> they lost
Dec 11 19:37:37 <sugardave> oh well, next year
Dec 11 19:37:39 <Rick_work> yetdog -- I strongly suspect someone is pushing for the magic 1000 apps.....
Dec 11 19:37:54 <Rick_work> but sometime SOON, there will be a $50 fee to push an app.  :-)
Dec 11 19:37:57 <Rick_work> that will be good.
Dec 11 19:37:59 <lyht> me not big sports fan either. Except local highschool... and my kids teams.
Dec 11 19:38:02 <pandora--> though i have enjoyed watching the bobsledding on tv for the past few weeks
Dec 11 19:38:10 <pandora--> it's been nice background noise for coding
Dec 11 19:38:15 <sugardave> ooooo, olympics are coming, right
Dec 11 19:38:29 <lyht> I can get behind olympics.
Dec 11 19:38:33 <pandora--> ya, so lots of bobsledding stuff and speed skating, etc etc on tv
Dec 11 19:38:45 * sugardave likes to watch curling.
Dec 11 19:38:48 <sugardave> it relaxes me
Dec 11 19:38:59 <yetdog> an app that updated live on olympic results - with the option to turn on/off each sport woul dbe cool
Dec 11 19:38:59 <pandora--> it's cool, i like watching 2 minute runs much more than a 2 hour basketball game
Dec 11 19:39:04 <pandora--> i don't have to pay attention much
Dec 11 19:39:15 <pandora--> yetdog: nice :)
Dec 11 19:39:20 <sugardave> makeit so
Dec 11 19:39:25 <yetdog> hahaha perhaps :)
Dec 11 19:39:26 <pandora--> sugardave: lol.. curling? relaxing? crap
Dec 11 19:39:43 <lyht> curling is so weird.
Dec 11 19:39:43 <yetdog> maybe ill write up one for the world cup :)
Dec 11 19:39:50 <yetdog> gotta have a reliable data source
Dec 11 19:39:53 <pandora--> sugardave: i learned what that was while i was in ireland earlier this year, omfg that's a brutal sport
Dec 11 19:39:59 <lyht> sorry, to whomever loves it with a passion.
Dec 11 19:40:00 <sugardave> pandora--: WATCHING curling is relaxing
Dec 11 19:40:19 <sugardave> it looks like it's a PITA to actually do it
Dec 11 19:40:21 <pandora--> i enjoyed watching it while rained in at my hotel
Dec 11 19:40:27 <pandora--> but "relaxing" isn't what i called it
Dec 11 19:40:31 <sugardave> hehe
Dec 11 19:40:31 <pandora--> it was more "confusion"
Dec 11 19:40:42 <sugardave> it's like shuffleboard
Dec 11 19:41:07 <pandora--> oh
Dec 11 19:41:10 <pandora--> you know what?
Dec 11 19:41:15 <pandora--> i'm thinking of a different sport
Dec 11 19:41:19 <pandora--> hahahaha
Dec 11 19:41:21 <sugardave> hehehe
Dec 11 19:41:31 <pandora--> what's the rugby of ireland sport, with the sticks??
Dec 11 19:41:40 <istojic> the what?!
Dec 11 19:41:40 <pandora--> HURLING
Dec 11 19:41:43 <pandora--> ohhhhhhhhhhhh
Dec 11 19:41:48 <sugardave> lol
Dec 11 19:41:50 <yetdog> zing!
Dec 11 19:41:50 <pandora--> I was thinking of HURLING
Dec 11 19:41:53 <pandora--> not CURLING
Dec 11 19:42:01 <pandora--> jeeeeeeeeeez could those be any more different
Dec 11 19:42:02 <istojic> which one of those is played on ice?
Dec 11 19:42:04 <pandora--> omggggggg
Dec 11 19:42:12 <sugardave> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling
Dec 11 19:42:23 <sugardave> it's on ice :D
Dec 11 19:42:29 <pandora--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurling
Dec 11 19:42:30 <pandora--> and that
Dec 11 19:42:38 <pandora--> wow that was funny
Dec 11 19:42:48 <sugardave> yeah, that's slightly different ;)
Dec 11 19:42:51 <istojic> wait...
Dec 11 19:42:59 <istojic> doesn't hurling kindof look like lacrosse?
Dec 11 19:43:06 <sugardave> looks like it
Dec 11 19:43:31 <pandora--> istojic: yeah
Dec 11 19:43:35 <istojic> and being from europe, i only know of lacrosse because of lacrosstitutes...
Dec 11 19:43:44 <gkatsev> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dec 11 19:43:49 * sugardave senses a story.
Dec 11 19:43:54 <gkatsev> oops
Dec 11 19:44:00 * yetdog is hitting "refresh" on the app status page
Dec 11 19:44:16 <sugardave> yetdog: you need to do that about every 2 hours
Dec 11 19:44:25 <sugardave> or you will drive yourself insane
Dec 11 19:44:34 <yetdog> oh really? i thought it was 2 minutes. that's how often ive been doing it ;)
Dec 11 19:44:43 <istojic> yetdog: get the auto refresh addon for FX and let that reload it for you :-)
Dec 11 19:45:07 <yetdog> i use chrome :)
Dec 11 19:45:11 <yetdog> i used to love FF but it just got bogged
Dec 11 19:45:34 <LoneStar34> wow, just woke up, awake all night, sleep during day
Dec 11 19:45:39 <istojic> i have a bajillion plugins for FX and i'm in love with them
Dec 11 19:45:51 <istojic> LoneStar34: phase shifting ftw
Dec 11 19:45:52 <Mousey> don't they get jealous?
Dec 11 19:48:03 <dawm> hrm
Dec 11 19:48:14 <dawm> luna-send isnt working even tho it says it is
Dec 11 19:49:12 <LoneStar34> right on!
Dec 11 19:49:28 <lyht> dawm: YOu done have more than one device open do you?
Dec 11 19:49:36 <dawm> no
Dec 11 19:49:49 <lyht> Found some stuff I was trying to install on my phone, on the emu instead. :)
Dec 11 19:51:28 <dawm> heh
Dec 11 19:51:44 <LoneStar34> would palm not approve an app which displays web results on a stage using webview instead of the browser?
Dec 11 19:52:28 <dawm> i need a tester, anyone?
Dec 11 19:52:29 <xcomp> Ugh
Dec 11 19:52:31 <lyht> LoneStar34: I dont think they would care.
Dec 11 19:52:38 <lyht> But not sure.
Dec 11 19:52:50 <xcomp> there is nothing that frustrates me more on the Pre than the "too many cards" error
Dec 11 19:52:58 <lyht> dawm: I will test.
Dec 11 19:53:06 <dawm> whats yer email
Dec 11 19:53:08 <LoneStar34> i would assume if it looks fine and works fine, it will be fine... but not sure
Dec 11 19:53:23 <lyht> xcomp: I agree.
Dec 11 19:53:24 <xcomp> email + musicplayer = too many cards
Dec 11 19:53:24 * sugardav1 kicks sugardave.
Dec 11 19:53:36 <lyht> dawm: boydell@orbsix.com
Dec 11 19:54:01 <xcomp> i wonder if it's worse for me because I have exchange email + gmail
Dec 11 19:54:01 <lyht> and the pdf viewer gives me that trouble all the time.
Dec 11 19:54:37 <pandora--> lyht: ya wtf?
Dec 11 19:55:05 <pandora--> lyht: i try and open pdf attachments that have the pdf logo on the Pre ui, and it says "can't find any application to view this attachement"
Dec 11 19:55:07 <pandora--> ehhh???
Dec 11 19:55:59 <lyht> pandora--: weird!
Dec 11 19:56:19 <xcomp> bilious barnacles. I think I'm going to have to kill Luna again :(
Dec 11 19:56:41 <sugardav1> bejabbers!
Dec 11 19:57:31 <pandora--> hey who of you guys are in the US, and wouldn't mind giving me some feedback on my $2 app if i send the file to you in /msg ?
Dec 11 19:58:03 <xcomp> pandora--: what's it do?
Dec 11 19:58:50 * xcomp unsubtly restates his unending frustration with the "too many cards" error so that someone from Palm will notice
Dec 11 19:58:59 <pandora--> xcomp: it finds local business info/phone#/etc, it's like GoogleMaps... lite.  really quick way to get the phone # of a business when you already know what you're looking for
Dec 11 20:00:03 <LoneStar34> pandora: you can send here
Dec 11 20:00:16 <LoneStar34> but can only test on emulator....
Dec 11 20:00:22 <pandora--> oh
Dec 11 20:00:24 <dawm> lyht, you've got mail
Dec 11 20:00:25 <pandora--> hrm
Dec 11 20:02:33 <sugardav1> xcomp: I can make it happen with one app....Sprint nav
Dec 11 20:03:43 <xcomp> sugardav1: sometimes I've closed everything and there are still too many cards
Dec 11 20:03:58 <xcomp> at one point I waited 15 minutes hoping it would sort itself out
Dec 11 20:04:01 <lyht> dawm: got it. testing now.
Dec 11 20:04:09 <xcomp> and then eventually rebooted in frustration
Dec 11 20:04:21 <lyht> xcomp: you dont use switcharoo do you?
Dec 11 20:04:25 <xcomp> nope
Dec 11 20:04:38 <xcomp> even JSTop doesn't help
Dec 11 20:04:41 <lyht> k, cause one of the versions had a bug with 1.3.1...
Dec 11 20:04:56 <lyht> Could also be some homebrew stuff.
Dec 11 20:05:09 <xcomp> stray patch?
Dec 11 20:05:14 <lyht> or even apps.
Dec 11 20:05:28 <lyht> The IRC app left stuff in memory.
Dec 11 20:06:04 <lyht> But I had something weird going on with some patches I had done that made it so I could not download any apps till I doctored my phone.
Dec 11 20:12:44 <sugardave> Adora: can you hear any crackling fires near you?
Dec 11 20:13:19 <Adora> sugardave: no, it feels a bit cold today
Dec 11 20:13:25 <Adora> maybe it'll be warmer around here next week
Dec 11 20:13:32 <LoneStar34> how do I install an IPK into the emulator again, that is not a project?
Dec 11 20:13:48 <Adora> WAIT
Dec 11 20:13:48 <dawm> cmd line
Dec 11 20:13:53 <sugardave> Adora: bummer...the Yule Log also doubles as a nice Palm heater.....get it?
Dec 11 20:13:53 <LoneStar34> yeah
Dec 11 20:13:53 <Adora> OMG NO IT"S BURNING UP TODAY
Dec 11 20:13:54 <dawm> palm-install file.ipk
Dec 11 20:13:57 <LoneStar34> command line
Dec 11 20:13:58 <Rick_work> palm-install -d tcp whatever.ipk
Dec 11 20:14:09 * Adora toasts her feet
Dec 11 20:14:13 <sugardave> hehe
Dec 11 20:14:20 <LoneStar34> Rick_work: thanks
Dec 11 20:15:44 <dawm> doh
Dec 11 20:15:49 <dawm> overlooked a score option
Dec 11 20:21:13 <dawm> lyht, scoring for level mode is sorta b0rked.. forgot that theres 3 game boards available :P
Dec 11 20:21:43 <lyht> nice
Dec 11 20:22:11 <dawm> so it doesnt track each boards scoring, just overall highest score/level. ill have to fix but no biggie
Dec 11 20:22:23 <LoneStar34> pandora: it works and looks good!
Dec 11 20:23:20 <lyht> so you mean that if I am using 7x7 (which could get me a higher score) it currently lumps it in with the 5x5 and 6x6?
Dec 11 20:23:27 <dawm> no
Dec 11 20:23:38 <dawm> saving of the scores thinks theres only 1 board
Dec 11 20:24:06 <dawm> theres no seperation cause i totally forgot :P
Dec 11 20:24:06 <lyht> oh. I see.
Dec 11 20:24:50 <dawm> and it doesnt save properly unless you have a higher score, i just fixed that, it now fills up the top 10 regardless if its a higher score(until theres 10)
Dec 11 20:25:16 <lyht> oh, yah, I wondered why it didn'
Dec 11 20:25:20 <lyht> save my second score.
Dec 11 20:26:17 <nonlocal> O.o
Dec 11 20:27:07 <nonlocal> The Pres GPU isn't even turned on so I'm sure my dreams of webgl are far removed.
Dec 11 20:27:32 <lyht> rats. ran out of time with 3 points to go.
Dec 11 20:27:55 <bryanroth> nonlocal: there will be a day
Dec 11 20:28:03 <nonlocal> Feel like a guy that owns a 911 roadster an I limited to 30mph
Dec 11 20:28:42 <dawm> level 11 is impossible, i forced level 11, but with 8 pieces and the randomness of the game, i couldnt get no where need the required dropped in the 20s allowed
Dec 11 20:29:03 <dawm> i think i need to increase time for longer sets or something
Dec 11 20:29:31 <nonlocal> Best thing for my pre in the last 6 months? wIRC
Dec 11 20:29:32 <lyht> hahaha,
Dec 11 20:30:16 <lyht> maybe you could accumulate time if you finish a level with x time remaining...
Dec 11 20:30:18 <nonlocal> IRC fits the pre like a glove. So would SMS and IM if it didn't open all in one card.
Dec 11 20:30:27 <dawm> thats an idea
Dec 11 20:30:37 <yetdog> does IRC kill the battery?
Dec 11 20:30:51 <Rick_work> depends.
Dec 11 20:31:07 <lyht> yetdog: it has for me.
Dec 11 20:31:14 <yetdog> i figured it would. constant traffic
Dec 11 20:31:16 <lyht> but when I use it, I really use it.
Dec 11 20:34:53 <nonlocal> Yeah, when I irc I'm normally plugged in.
Dec 11 20:35:14 <yetdog> if im plugged in i can use a laptop usually :)
Dec 11 20:35:27 <nonlocal> But it drains the battery about as fast as
Dec 11 20:35:49 <nonlocal> Playng music via ampache.
Dec 11 20:36:07 <lyht> dawm: finally got to level 7. Wasn't even close to getting past it.
Dec 11 20:36:21 <dawm> is it too hard?
Dec 11 20:36:37 <lyht> well... I have only been playing for a few minutes...
Dec 11 20:37:21 <lyht> But still. Have the time available go down with each level, and the points needed go up, and the used block types go up...
Dec 11 20:37:45 <dawm> it does that :P
Dec 11 20:37:53 <dawm> but i think they need soem tweaking
Dec 11 20:37:56 <sugardave> Adora: HELL YEAH
Dec 11 20:37:58 <sugardave> that was fast
Dec 11 20:38:08 <Adora> =]
Dec 11 20:38:30 <sugardave> did you guys try it on emu and phone or 2 phones?
Dec 11 20:38:39 <sugardave> just wondering if I should delete both these nduids
Dec 11 20:38:52 <Adora> all our testing is on hardware
Dec 11 20:38:57 <Adora> I tested on pre and pixi
Dec 11 20:38:59 <sugardave> great
Dec 11 20:39:01 <sugardave> thank you
Dec 11 20:39:20 <lyht> shut up sugardave. do be trying to make us all jealous, with your "My apps get reviewed faster than your apps" crap!
Dec 11 20:39:27 <lyht> do = dont.
Dec 11 20:39:35 <sugardave> lyht: it's special :D
Dec 11 20:39:45 * yetdog is still "being reviewed" ahhhhh! :)
Dec 11 20:40:01 <sugardave> my app is literally one scene, one gif, and one wav
Dec 11 20:40:03 <sugardave> that's it
Dec 11 20:40:13 <sugardave> too simple to be rejected ;)
Dec 11 20:40:21 <nonlocal> Lol, that's hardly even an "app"
Dec 11 20:40:22 <lyht> well... true. Once it gets picked up... what is there to test.
Dec 11 20:40:56 <sugardave> nonlocal: 9K downloads and rave reviews at PreCentral ;)
Dec 11 20:41:14 <nonlocal> At that rate couldn't it just be a webapp?
Dec 11 20:41:32 <sugardave> sure, it could..but it's also an experiment
Dec 11 20:42:29 <lyht> dawm: how do I do other game types?
Dec 11 20:42:39 <dawm> preferences
Dec 11 20:42:58 <lyht> silly me. Missed it. :)
Dec 11 20:43:40 <nonlocal> So, I wonder, is the Pixi as nice as it looks on Best Buys display counter?
Dec 11 20:44:48 <nonlocal> It's much smaller than I expected, it felt tiny in my hand. The keyboard maybe a little TOO small (though I'm a fan of the Pres kb)
Dec 11 20:46:04 <CTLAdvance> The pixi is very nice if you like small phones
Dec 11 20:49:43 <lyht> dawm: I like how you have the sixe in the top left corner of freeplay, might be nice on blitz as well, so I dont think I am trying for a specific number of pieces, and then it never increments.
Dec 11 20:49:51 <lyht> sixe = size.
Dec 11 20:49:58 <lyht> gosh I can't type.
Dec 11 20:50:06 <dawm> err
Dec 11 20:50:08 <dawm> its supposed to
Dec 11 20:50:27 <dawm> could have been something i missed when i added level mode, since level mode is jsut blitz with presets
Dec 11 20:51:11 <dawm> ahh it doesnt change back when you switch
Dec 11 20:51:23 <dawm> good eye
Dec 11 20:51:58 <Templarian> http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs004.snc3/11138_374302445256_813140256_9938050_2354833_n.jpg My snowman. :)
Dec 11 20:52:11 <dawm> fixed :)
Dec 11 20:52:51 <sugardave> Adora: looks like one of your phones is from the future
Dec 11 20:53:02 <Adora> sugardave: shhhhhhh
Dec 11 20:54:15 <nonlocal> What kind of game are you testing?
Dec 11 20:54:43 <nonlocal> Eww, Trillian is a terrible IRC client.
Dec 11 20:54:43 <dawm> he's testing a new version of swap & drop
Dec 11 20:54:43 <dawm> heh yes it is
Dec 11 20:54:50 <nonlocal> Hell, wIRC and Colloquy are better clients than Trillian an they're mobile platforms.
Dec 11 20:55:25 <dawm> can you get the webos version thru mojo?
Dec 11 20:55:35 <nonlocal> Cool, I've played that I think. It's on preware already isn't it!
Dec 11 20:55:46 <Malefickus> Has anyone other than myself had problems with trying to make the tutorial News app that's in the Oreilly webOS book?
Dec 11 20:55:51 <dawm> it was called PreJeweled when it was homebrew
Dec 11 20:56:28 <nonlocal> Yeah, I played it slot. Saved me from boredom at least a dozen times
Dec 11 20:57:46 <nonlocal> alot*
Dec 11 20:58:03 <sugardave> Malefickus: I tried for about a day...then gave
Dec 11 20:58:05 <sugardave> up
Dec 11 20:58:05 <sugardave> whoa
Dec 11 20:58:28 <nonlocal> Yeah, Freenodw is all segregated today
Dec 11 20:58:52 <Templarian> Freenodes servers are getting worse everyday.
Dec 11 20:59:39 <Malefickus> Well, I've gotten to the part where I'm making the feedList scene, but anything to do with the currentFeed.url or this.currentFeed.url is throwing errors
Dec 11 21:00:03 <Malefickus> [20091211-13:59:15.005706] error: An exception occurred in the 'feedList' scene's setup() method.
Dec 11 21:00:04 <Malefickus> [20091211-13:59:15.011993] error: Error: Cannot read property 'url' of undefined, line undefined, file undefined
Dec 11 21:00:59 <Malefickus> I've looked in the setup() method like it says, which then brings me to the feeds.js, and I've narrowed down exactly where I can comment out the error and such, it just doesn't do anything after that.
Dec 11 21:03:28 <nonlocal> So is Javascript the most prominent language for webos?
Dec 11 21:03:53 <Malefickus> HTML, JavaScript and CSS
Dec 11 21:03:53 <Malefickus> But, from what I'm seeing, JS does the most of the legwork
Dec 11 21:13:34 <nonlocal> Yeah, I'm sure HTML and CSS lay down the UI but I meant the real work
Dec 11 21:13:50 <Rick_work> nonlocal js is the ONLY language for webOS development at this time.
Dec 11 21:13:57 <Rick_work> unless you're insteresteed in homebrew
Dec 11 21:14:12 <Rick_work> in which case, the wraps are off and you are in the wrong forum, join #webos-internals
Dec 11 21:14:34 <Rick_work> otherwise, it's wall-to-wall javascript
Dec 11 21:14:42 <nonlocal> Ouch.
Dec 11 21:15:01 <Rick_work> What ouch?  Javascript is the BOMB. Javascript is an expresive, wonderful language
Dec 11 21:15:09 * sugardave is liking it.
Dec 11 21:15:29 <nonlocal> JS isn't bad but it's like an engineer with only a hammer and no screws.
Dec 11 21:15:30 <Rick_work> I admit, there is some minor suckage, but you just avoid the sucking parts.
Dec 11 21:15:43 <nonlocal> He'll still build a house, but the end result...
Dec 11 21:15:49 <Rick_work> nonlocal  yeah.  Palm has every intention of publishing a binary sdk eventually
Dec 11 21:15:56 <Rick_work> but the framework has to be stable first
Dec 11 21:16:00 <Rick_work> and it's changing -fast-
Dec 11 21:16:09 <Rick_work> so a binary sdk would be -- unfortunate
Dec 11 21:16:15 <dawm> hey dave did you say you were working on some logging thing?
Dec 11 21:16:26 <Rick_work> but if you want to work in C or Java or Perl or Python, or whatever, the webos-internals team can help you out
Dec 11 21:16:29 <sugardave> dawm: what kind of logging?
Dec 11 21:16:33 <dawm> app usage
Dec 11 21:16:49 <sugardave> I just added an nduid register function to this app
Dec 11 21:16:55 <sugardave> solely to count unique ids
Dec 11 21:17:01 <dawm> im just not in the mood to write a front end for the data being thrown into the db
Dec 11 21:17:01 <sugardave> and the time of registration
Dec 11 21:17:23 <dawm> yeh ive got a callhome with similar information
Dec 11 21:17:36 <sugardave> oh, yeah...it's close to where I could make a dev id for you, an app id, etc...give you a key and the url
Dec 11 21:17:55 <dawm> im grabbing nduid,appid,appversion,webosversion,device,ip,time
Dec 11 21:18:21 <dawm> just a basic dump to mysql
Dec 11 21:18:30 <sugardave> oh, you're ALREADY doing the same thing
Dec 11 21:18:32 <sugardave> I get it
Dec 11 21:18:38 <sugardave> yeah, I have no front end
Dec 11 21:18:43 <sugardave> just looking at the tables
Dec 11 21:18:44 <dawm> thats what i was wondering heh
Dec 11 21:18:51 <sugardave> not yet anyway
Dec 11 21:18:56 <sugardave> I might do something in Drupal
Dec 11 21:18:59 <dawm> yeh, i hate doing front ends
Dec 11 21:19:30 <dawm> all of my php projects went stale cuz i was too lazy to make a front end to manage the backend
Dec 11 21:19:47 <dawm> they still work tho ;p
Dec 11 21:19:49 <sugardave> it happens :D
Dec 11 21:20:15 <yetdog> hA! thats exactly how i am
Dec 11 21:20:19 <yetdog> i hate interfaces. i like the backend :)
Dec 11 21:20:24 <yetdog> i know that sounds bad
Dec 11 21:20:31 * yetdog didnt mean to
Dec 11 21:20:42 <dawm> actually its not the front end, more so the middle i never finished
Dec 11 21:21:48 <nonlocal> All this talk of front ends and back ends... And no immature comments save this one.
Dec 11 21:23:05 <dawm> http://starburst.biocandy.org/ was one of my projects
Dec 11 21:23:19 <dawm> front end works, back end works, just no way to manage the middle
Dec 11 21:29:22 <PuffTheMagic> does anyone know how to get in contact with the "media group" at Palm?
Dec 11 21:29:44 <Rick_work> send your question through chuq.
Dec 11 21:30:02 <Rick_work> or email devrel at palm.com and explain what you need and ask for a contact
Dec 11 21:30:12 <gkatsev> PuffTheMagic: you send chuq a box of donuts with your question attached.
Dec 11 21:38:43 <sirgeoph> man, this day is dragging on. it'll be fun to finish my paying job to go work on my app at home...
Dec 11 21:43:23 <LoneStar34> anyone want a url shortener app for their Palm pre or pixi?
Dec 11 21:45:04 <dawm> hey kesne
Dec 11 21:56:51 <dawm> stupid freenode
Dec 11 21:59:47 <sirgeoph> hm, everything seems to be in order here...
Dec 11 21:59:47 <dawm> lol
Dec 11 22:04:11 <haeffb_> new Pre has arrived. Activating...
Dec 11 22:06:36 <bryanroth> haeffb_: ah, what was wrong with your other one?
Dec 11 22:07:35 <Templarian> http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9909/snowman.png If you wondered what happens to a snowman when it gets shot.
Dec 11 22:07:43 <Templarian> my bro blew it's face off.
Dec 11 22:07:56 <dawm> shot with?
Dec 11 22:08:01 <Templarian> P-90
Dec 11 22:08:12 <haeffb_> Templarian's bro shot it.
Dec 11 22:08:30 <haeffb_> cool that the Pre tells you it's MEID.
Dec 11 22:09:49 <haeffb_> actually I don't know what happened, but the screen became cracked while sitting in the pocket of my coat at the Y. In the future I shall hang my coat up rather than laying it on a bench.
Dec 11 22:11:47 <haeffb_> activated and restoring backed up data...
Dec 11 22:13:58 <LoneStar34> Templarian: nice half snow man!
Dec 11 22:15:36 <bryanroth> haeffb_: Yeah, the center of my screen has becomed heavily scratched - it sucks.
Dec 11 22:16:00 <Templarian> Thanks. It's in worse shape now I put a few into it.
Dec 11 22:16:55 <Templarian> (also by P-90 I mean a 500 dollar repilica military training gun. It shoots airsoft pellets, but not a gun you want to shoot a human with unless they have armor on)
Dec 11 22:17:45 <lemketron> sugardave/Rick_work: lol on the "nevermind".  Thanks!  ;-)
Dec 11 22:18:19 <bryanroth> Templarian: Yeah, I know what a p90 is...wow..yeah...
Dec 11 22:18:58 <Templarian> bryanroth: my bro really likes stargate.
Dec 11 22:19:20 <bryanroth> Templarian: lol nice
Dec 11 22:23:13 <Rick_work> lemketron welcom
Dec 11 22:23:43 <Rick_work> once I call out a ping to you to pay attention to something it's only polite to also nevermind you.
Dec 11 22:25:38 <sirgeoph> both bosses gone for the day, all of my divison is gone save for 2 -- should i bail early?
Dec 11 22:28:13 <dawm> nah stick around :P
Dec 11 22:28:53 <sirgeoph> horrible advice! i'm outta here!
Dec 11 22:29:19 <lyht_> wow. he didn't mess around
Dec 11 22:29:38 <bowlofChilli> Good day ..I am getting this error in the ImageViewer ...Recovering from failed image load by displaying a corrupt image placeholder
Dec 11 22:29:50 <haeffb_> asurion doesn't want my old battery, right?
Dec 11 22:29:52 <bowlofChilli> this is a standard image taken by the camera
Dec 11 22:29:56 <dawm> hey lyht, ive got the scores all fixed as well as some other tweaks if ya want another copy :P
Dec 11 22:30:00 <sugardave> bowlofChilli: that sounds bad
Dec 11 22:30:16 <lyht_> dawm: sure. that'd be grand.
Dec 11 22:30:26 <sugardave> and your name makes me want chili...
Dec 11 22:30:29 <bowlofChilli> sugar dave: sure does...any ideas
Dec 11 22:30:49 <sugardave> bowlofChilli: I have no clue, no experience with the image viewer
Dec 11 22:30:53 <lyht_> bowlofChilli: just that one image? or others cause the same error?
Dec 11 22:31:08 <bowlofChilli> others cause the same error as well...
Dec 11 22:31:20 <lyht_> mmm... yes. bad.
Dec 11 22:31:45 <lyht_> sure you have the path right? Sure you have access to the files?
Dec 11 22:32:32 <bowlofChilli> well they are in the media internl folder ...I assume i have the rights ? am I correct
Dec 11 22:33:02 <bowlofChilli> I can upload those images
Dec 11 22:33:10 <bowlofChilli> but cannot view them apparently
Dec 11 22:34:28 <haeffb_> data restored and setup is complete. press done to restart your phone
Dec 11 22:34:43 * sugardave cheers haeffb_ on.
Dec 11 22:34:45 <sugardave> oh wait
Dec 11 22:34:51 * sugardave boos haeffb_.
Dec 11 22:34:56 <haeffb_> foe foe foe!
Dec 11 22:35:28 <haeffb_> touch diamond goes back in drawer. Pre is worlds better.
Dec 11 22:36:00 <CTLAdvance> mmm hey sugardave
Dec 11 22:36:06 <CTLAdvance> I see some yule log in the catalog
Dec 11 22:37:25 <lyht_> bowlofChilli: have you tried viewing the wallpapers or something else in internal?
Dec 11 22:40:41 <bowlofChilli> yep..they are the same images that come by default on the device media/internal/wallpapers/, so it should be fine. I have uploaded them and can view them on the server but not on the device
Dec 11 22:41:15 <Rick_work> yule log now warming hearts across the country
Dec 11 22:41:26 <dawm> hrm
Dec 11 22:41:47 <dawm> im trying to figure out how my app went from 380kb to 1171kb in a day.. i didnt ad that much code
Dec 11 22:44:06 <haeffb_> webos20090606 ??
Dec 11 22:44:58 <haeffb_> haeffb_: yes
Dec 11 22:45:08 <dawm> lol
Dec 11 22:45:30 <Rick_work> dawm you have something else inside the source folder.  an ipk in the ipk a zip, a stack of imags, something
Dec 11 22:45:39 <dawm> no i figured it out
Dec 11 22:46:14 <dawm> i allowed the themes to have their own backdrop, so the default backdrop had to be put in the others, making a duplicate file increasing the size
Dec 11 22:46:24 <dawm> would be nice to symlink it
Dec 11 22:46:46 <lyht_> bowlofChilli: sorry, no idea what the trouble could be.
Dec 11 22:47:48 <haeffb_> can you get virtual box to stop telling you there's a new version avail?
Dec 11 22:48:48 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: yeah, I'm rolling those dice
Dec 11 22:49:01 <sugardave> I did due diligence, they never responded
Dec 11 22:49:25 <dawm> yeh update
Dec 11 22:50:48 <pandora--> anyone know arabic here?
Dec 11 22:50:55 <pandora--> need a one line translation
Dec 11 22:50:56 <pandora--> haha
Dec 11 22:51:36 <bowlofChilli> OMG I cannot have access to any folder unless its named com.palm , It used to work previously
Dec 11 22:52:12 <haeffb_> preware installed. Agenda installed. now just waiting for google to sync all my stuff back
Dec 11 22:55:46 <haeffb_> hmmm... tweed didn't reDL from app catalog...
Dec 11 22:56:31 <haeffb_> am I supposed to have Bell TV pay per Vu in catalog?
Dec 11 22:57:02 <dawm> lol
Dec 11 22:57:44 <haeffb_> why does my catalog only have 342 apps?
Dec 11 22:57:51 <dawm> lyht, new mail
Dec 11 22:58:04 <yetdog> Rick_work - heading out - thanks again for all your help today. i feel much stronger at things after just this morning
Dec 11 22:58:09 <bowlofChilli> Hey guys ...kind a stuck with this one
Dec 11 22:58:13 <bowlofChilli> Uncaught Error: require Failed: Only one transition may be run at a time, palmInitFramework200_47:10091
Dec 11 22:58:39 <Rick_work> webos.pastebin.com  paste your code
Dec 11 23:02:31 <haeffb_> any ideas why my app catalog is missing apps?
Dec 11 23:03:51 <dawm> US?
Dec 11 23:03:54 <dawm> or EURO
Dec 11 23:04:00 <dawm> maybe you got the wrong firmware
Dec 11 23:05:20 <dawm> whats the sshot key?
Dec 11 23:05:26 <dawm> orange,shit p?
Dec 11 23:06:04 <haeffb_> it's activated on Sprint... orange key
Dec 11 23:06:24 <haeffb_> orange shift P
Dec 11 23:06:42 <dawm> nope
Dec 11 23:06:45 <dawm> orange sym p
Dec 11 23:06:55 <haeffb_> Palm webOS ****1.2.1*****
Dec 11 23:07:08 <haeffb_> Let's see if there are updates available...!
Dec 11 23:07:16 <dawm> lol
Dec 11 23:07:21 <haeffb_> right. sym
Dec 11 23:07:32 <Rick_work> logging out going home.
Dec 11 23:07:34 <Rick_work> byebye
Dec 11 23:09:14 <haeffb_> downloading 1.3.1
Dec 11 23:12:56 <nonlocal> iPhone vs pre
Dec 11 23:13:11 <nonlocal> Oops, sorry, wrong window.
Dec 11 23:26:46 <dawm> thank goodness for svn..
Dec 11 23:27:00 <dawm> broke my code seriously bad, thankfully i had a commit an hour ago
Dec 11 23:28:51 <sugardave> bowlofChilli: I see your new error in that thread and here, but I don't know what causes that
Dec 11 23:28:58 <sugardave> are you doing animations or something?
Dec 11 23:29:15 <pandora--> dawm: saves my ass all the time
Dec 11 23:30:02 <dawm> which reminds me i need to back it up
Dec 11 23:30:35 <haeffb_> where can i learn more about svn?
Dec 11 23:32:21 <bowlofChilli> sugardave-->nope just starting the camera scene and then upon returning showing a dialog box. I dont know if within activate we supposed to do that
Dec 11 23:32:53 <bowlofChilli> what constitutes a transition ?...can we push new scenes within activate
Dec 11 23:34:56 <dawm> damn, too big to gmail to myself
Dec 11 23:35:18 <sugardave> I think you should be able to push a new scene in activate
Dec 12 00:05:14 <ChilinMichael> Hey guys
Dec 12 00:05:19 <LoneStar34> hallo
Dec 12 00:05:28 <ChilinMichael> So, I just dev'ed my phone
Dec 12 00:05:31 <ChilinMichael> and installed preware
Dec 12 00:05:42 <ChilinMichael> pretty neat, but it's just sitting here "downloading feed information"
Dec 12 00:05:43 <ChilinMichael> lol
Dec 12 00:05:56 <ChilinMichael> anyone here have a clue what to do?
Dec 12 00:06:06 <FoxFireX> Is the progress bar moving forward at all?
Dec 12 00:06:27 <ChilinMichael> there's no progress bar, just a round circle
Dec 12 00:06:53 <ChilinMichael> and a statement saying it should take less than a couple of minutes and if not check which feeds aren't working blah blah so-forth
Dec 12 00:07:12 <ChilinMichael> my internet connection on the phone is working.
Dec 12 00:07:15 <FoxFireX> Do you know what version of preware you got?
Dec 12 00:07:38 <ChilinMichael> .9.5
Dec 12 00:08:15 <FoxFireX> Looks like the current is 0.9.12. Maybe you could try finding the latest and installing that?
Dec 12 00:08:35 <dawm> ChilinMichael, pre or pixi? if pre do you have wifi?
Dec 12 00:08:53 <ChilinMichael> pre
Dec 12 00:08:59 <ChilinMichael> and i had wifi on before and it wasn't working
Dec 12 00:09:02 <ChilinMichael> so rebooted with wifi off
Dec 12 00:09:04 <ChilinMichael> still not working
Dec 12 00:09:06 <ChilinMichael> but the internet is
Dec 12 00:09:23 <dawm> could be stuck on a dead feed
Dec 12 00:09:30 <ChilinMichael> and the latest on the site get.preware.org where it says to download from is .9.5
Dec 12 00:09:31 <FoxFireX> Did you install the package manager service first?
Dec 12 00:09:58 <ChilinMichael> I followed:
Dec 12 00:09:58 <ChilinMichael> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
Dec 12 00:10:00 <ChilinMichael> that
Dec 12 00:10:24 <ChilinMichael> Update the Package Manager Service and Preware
Dec 12 00:10:24 <ChilinMichael>    1. Tap Launcher
Dec 12 00:10:24 <ChilinMichael>    2. Tap Preware
Dec 12 00:10:24 <ChilinMichael>    3. Tap OK to continue if there is a splash screen
Dec 12 00:10:24 <ChilinMichael>    4. Tap Package Updates (an update for Package Manager Service and Preware should be shown)
Dec 12 00:10:25 <ChilinMichael>    5. Tap Package Manager Service
Dec 12 00:10:30 <ChilinMichael> but...when I launched preware
Dec 12 00:10:36 <ChilinMichael> immediately it just said updating feeds
Dec 12 00:10:44 <ChilinMichael> never had an "ok" to continue
Dec 12 00:10:45 <rwhitby> ChilinMichael: http://install.preware.org
Dec 12 00:10:48 <FoxFireX> Well, it could be a dead feed like dawm said.  You should be able to go to the menu and pick Manage Feeds.
Dec 12 00:11:54 <ChilinMichael> yup i turned off a few
Dec 12 00:11:56 <ChilinMichael> now it's working
Dec 12 00:12:06 <dawm> hey FoxFireX , your sync demo worked but i couldnt get similar code to work, but i figured out an animation transition for new level that i was able to do without waiting for another function to finish
Dec 12 00:12:18 <FoxFireX> Should be able to update it to the latest from inside now.
Dec 12 00:12:39 <FoxFireX> Well, sorry it didn't help, but at least I proved it to myself. :)
Dec 12 00:12:48 <FoxFireX> Felt bad about not remembering that when I spoke earlier.
Dec 12 00:13:04 <ChilinMichael> its updating itself
Dec 12 00:13:05 <ChilinMichael> nice
Dec 12 00:13:07 <ChilinMichael> :-)
Dec 12 00:14:49 <ChilinMichael> is it beneficial to have wifi on while doing this or no?
Dec 12 00:14:53 <dawm> yes
Dec 12 00:15:09 <dawm> if you have wifi, use it cause it should speed things up alot
Dec 12 00:15:17 <dawm> i get crap signal here at home so wifi is always on at home
Dec 12 00:16:32 <ChilinMichael> gotchya
Dec 12 00:17:41 <dawm> did kense get a life?
Dec 12 00:20:39 <dawm> damn.. so close to beating level 7
Dec 12 00:22:19 <ChilinMichael> level 7 of what?
Dec 12 00:22:21 <ChilinMichael> if I may ask
Dec 12 00:22:52 <pandora--> dawm: what's wrong with kense?
Dec 12 00:35:00 * haeffb_ 's wifi is thru sprint EVDO card
Dec 12 00:35:11 <haeffb_> no faster than Pre's EVDO
Dec 12 00:35:22 <haeffb_> now installing 1.3.1
Dec 12 00:36:33 <FoxFireX> Was gonna ask how you went this long without, but then I remembered.
Dec 12 00:40:00 <haeffb_> the last 48 hours were pretty rough
Dec 12 00:41:26 <FoxFireX> I can imagine.
Dec 12 00:41:44 <FoxFireX> Did it end up taking four hours to get the data provisioning done?
Dec 12 00:48:36 <reality9110> RadioTime in the catalog.
Dec 12 00:52:44 <reality9110> What the heck are these people talking about the Presets not working?
Dec 12 00:55:12 <FoxFireX> Well, either they found a small bug that wasn't uncovered during testing, or they just didn't get something about the app.
Dec 12 00:55:34 <FoxFireX> I've had plenty of folks who've said "I wish it had this or thad feature", which it does, but they just missed somehow.
Dec 12 00:56:04 <haeffb_> no, data provisioning was almost instant
Dec 12 00:56:10 <reality9110> Presets work not only from the phone, but also from the website via the cloud
Dec 12 00:57:18 <haeffb_> crap. still only 342 apps in the catalog. what's up with that?
Dec 12 00:57:29 <reality9110> The only thing that's not working correctly is freakin' smaato's ad network.  I'm sick of those guys.
Dec 12 00:58:18 <haeffb_> peeps in the US: do you see Bell TV in app catalog?
Dec 12 00:58:32 <reality9110> Yeah
Dec 12 00:58:40 <haeffb_> I think maybe I'm getting canadian catalog
Dec 12 00:58:47 <haeffb_> drat.
Dec 12 00:58:58 <haeffb_> I do not see RadioTime.
Dec 12 00:59:06 <FoxFireX> Pay per Vu, says Bell TV.
Dec 12 00:59:25 <FoxFireX> I see Radio Time, two above Bell.  (Yule log is between)
Dec 12 00:59:49 <reality9110> FoxFireX: Did you download RadioTime?
Dec 12 00:59:52 <haeffb_> I'm only getting 342 apps
Dec 12 01:00:02 <haeffb_> my own app is missing from the catalog!
Dec 12 01:00:13 <haeffb_> for Today, I see LATimes, Bell TV
Dec 12 01:00:15 <FoxFireX> I haven't; don't tend to use my phone for audio stuff.  Battery life is bad enough as it is.
Dec 12 01:00:49 <reality9110> Yeah, it's a bit of a battery hog while streaming.  I just want to see if presets are working
Dec 12 01:01:02 <reality9110> I mean, they work perfectly for me
Dec 12 01:01:21 <FoxFireX> Meh, I can download it, no biggie.  Juste let me know what to do.
Dec 12 01:01:41 <reality9110> Download, add an account, add a preset.
Dec 12 01:01:59 <reality9110> Then, hit the preset button
Dec 12 01:02:00 <pandora--> more f-in sports apps up the butt
Dec 12 01:02:01 <pandora--> jeeeeeeez
Dec 12 01:02:05 <reality9110> Ahhh...I think I might know what's going on.
Dec 12 01:02:32 <reality9110> There's sometimes a lag between adding a preset and it showing up in the Preset's menu because it sends it to the cloud.
Dec 12 01:02:36 <pandora--> screw "Brighthouse Labs" and their 9 bajillion sports apps in the catalog
Dec 12 01:02:55 <reality9110> pandora--: Yeah, that was uncalled for.
Dec 12 01:03:34 <pandora--> what, my comment or their spam of 1 app for every sports team pre league in existence?
Dec 12 01:03:43 <FoxFireX> I wonder if it's related to just going straight to presets after creating an account.
Dec 12 01:03:55 <FoxFireX> I did NOT create one, tapped Presets, and get a spinner that never resolves.
Dec 12 01:04:02 <Bmyers_qwerty> where's everybody go?
Dec 12 01:04:13 <FoxFireX> Oklahoma!
Dec 12 01:04:15 <Bmyers_qwerty> oops
Dec 12 01:04:18 <pandora--> Bmyers_qwerty: its friday, they probably have cool social things to do
Dec 12 01:04:27 <Bmyers_qwerty> BS
Dec 12 01:04:51 <dawm|mini> pandora--:  im with you on the sports apps
Dec 12 01:04:57 <dawm|mini> they arent even anything to look at either
Dec 12 01:05:04 <Bmyers_qwerty> so WARNING: modelChanged() found no watchers  is trying to tell me what?
Dec 12 01:05:15 <FoxFireX> reality9110, think that might be what they saw?
Dec 12 01:05:28 <pandora--> dawm|mini: its kind of weird that they got approved to do this
Dec 12 01:05:38 <FoxFireX> Bmyers_querty: Something called modelChanged and passed an object which wasn't set as a widget's model.
Dec 12 01:05:45 <dawm|mini> it makes the catalog look like crap
Dec 12 01:05:55 <dawm|mini> they should have a category called useless junk
Dec 12 01:06:13 <Bmyers_qwerty> thanks FoxFireX
Dec 12 01:06:20 <Bmyers_qwerty> gotta go digging..
Dec 12 01:08:10 <dawm|mini> i mean i know the apple app store has junk. but its polished junk.. these sports apps are far from polished..
Dec 12 01:08:16 <FoxFireX> reality9110: Four minutes, still spinning.  My money's on this being the issue they saw.
Dec 12 01:09:01 <Bmyers_qwerty> does it make a difference that its a meni model?
Dec 12 01:09:07 <Bmyers_qwerty> does it make a difference that its a menu model?
Dec 12 01:10:12 <FoxFireX> Maybe?  I don't remember offhand, but it might.
Dec 12 01:10:31 <Bmyers_qwerty> there was another command for mucking with the menu model
Dec 12 01:10:58 <Bmyers_qwerty> setwidgetmodel
Dec 12 01:11:16 <FoxFireX> Could always try commenting the line out and seeing if the warning goes away. :)
Dec 12 01:13:06 <Bmyers_qwerty> i am trying to change a menu model on the fly after setup
Dec 12 01:13:20 <Bmyers_qwerty> its a view menu
Dec 12 01:13:38 <FoxFireX> Afraid I haven't tried anything with view menus.
Dec 12 01:13:55 <Bmyers_qwerty> same as command menu only at the top of the screen
Dec 12 01:14:00 <dawm|mini> change the model call modelChanged
Dec 12 01:14:03 <reality9110> FoxFireX: What happens if you go back to the main page, and then go back to presets?
Dec 12 01:14:49 <FoxFireX> reality9110: I'll have to go remove the preset I finally added to check that.  I'll also mention that it took two tries to get Local to resolve as well.
Dec 12 01:14:56 <dawm|mini> i change view/command and app menu models with no issues in swapndrop
Dec 12 01:15:12 <Bmyers_qwerty> dawm: the modelchange it set to the same thing as setupwidget
Dec 12 01:15:25 <dawm|mini> how are you changing the model
Dec 12 01:15:26 <reality9110> FoxFireX: Did it just leave a spinner?
Dec 12 01:15:31 <reality9110> For locals
Dec 12 01:15:34 <FoxFireX> Okay, loaded the app again, tapped Presets (with the one still there), still spinning.
Dec 12 01:15:39 <reality9110> Or did it give a list of countries
Dec 12 01:15:43 <FoxFireX> Yes, spinner for local.
Dec 12 01:15:50 <reality9110> Hmmm.
Dec 12 01:15:55 <reality9110> What the heck?
Dec 12 01:16:02 <FoxFireX> I went to browse location after, got the list of countries.
Dec 12 01:16:11 <FoxFireX> Then I went back to local, and it brought up local stations.
Dec 12 01:16:25 * FoxFireX takes this off-channel.
Dec 12 01:16:57 <Bmyers_qwerty> dawm: do u use modelchanged or setwidget model to change the menu model?
Dec 12 01:17:08 <dawm|mini> modelchanged
Dec 12 01:17:18 <Bmyers_qwerty> hmm.
Dec 12 01:17:19 <dawm|mini> how are you changing the actual model
Dec 12 01:17:23 <haeffb_> modelchanged
Dec 12 01:17:33 <haeffb_> this.model.items = ....
Dec 12 01:17:47 <dawm|mini> hrm
Dec 12 01:18:04 <dawm|mini> i know i had an issue when i would change it using a preset model
Dec 12 01:18:12 <dawm|mini> like model = someothermodel
Dec 12 01:18:12 <Bmyers_qwerty> this.categoryMenuModel = {        items: this.kCategory        };
Dec 12 01:18:27 <haeffb_> that should work
Dec 12 01:18:32 <dawm|mini> yeh
Dec 12 01:18:33 <Bmyers_qwerty> this.kCategory.clear();
Dec 12 01:18:38 <dawm|mini> then after that call modelChanged
Dec 12 01:18:46 <haeffb_> pastebin
Dec 12 01:18:47 <Bmyers_qwerty> Object.extend(this.kCategory, list); <- temp list
Dec 12 01:18:58 <dawm|mini> this.modelChanged(this.categoryMenuModel);
Dec 12 01:19:04 <Bmyers_qwerty> this.controller.modelChanged(this.categoryMenuModel, this);
Dec 12 01:19:07 <Bmyers_qwerty> thats it
Dec 12 01:19:14 <dawm|mini> lemme open up my src
Dec 12 01:19:19 * haeffb_ hasn't used object.extend
Dec 12 01:19:23 <dawm|mini> its super simple so i duno why your having trouble
Dec 12 01:19:34 <Bmyers_qwerty> i'm guess I'm DOM
Dec 12 01:19:42 <dawm|mini> hehe
Dec 12 01:19:46 <haeffb_> why not this.categoryMenuModel.items = list; ??
Dec 12 01:19:56 <Bmyers_qwerty> tried that too
Dec 12 01:20:01 <dawm|mini> loading komodo cause im too lazy to goto the desktop
Dec 12 01:20:32 <Bmyers_qwerty> thanks..
Dec 12 01:20:54 <Bmyers_qwerty> the object extend look more impressive anyway..
Dec 12 01:21:11 <Bmyers_qwerty> u'd think i knew what i was doing.. if it worked
Dec 12 01:21:27 <haeffb_> well, there's that... :)
Dec 12 01:22:03 <haeffb_> palm profile shows in in US.
Dec 12 01:22:08 <haeffb_> I'm in
Dec 12 01:22:31 <sugardave> curses
Dec 12 01:22:46 <Bmyers_qwerty> ncurses?
Dec 12 01:26:33 <dawm|mini> yeh  i dunno
Dec 12 01:26:34 <dawm|mini> i dont do anything weird
Dec 12 01:26:54 <dawm|mini> this.viewMenuModel.items[1].items[1].label = SwapnDrop.gameMode;
Dec 12 01:26:54 <dawm|mini>         this.controller.modelChanged(this.viewMenuModel);
Dec 12 01:27:02 <dawm|mini> for example
Dec 12 01:27:22 <dawm|mini> my view is grouped, whcih is why i have to go deeper
Dec 12 01:28:28 <Bmyers_qwerty> ok, well.. thank for looking that up
Dec 12 01:28:42 <Bmyers_qwerty> i must just have something swapped or something..
Dec 12 01:28:51 <haeffb_> pastebin
Dec 12 01:28:54 <Bmyers_qwerty> the approach is correct at least.
Dec 12 01:29:01 <dawm|mini> whats your setup widget look like
Dec 12 01:29:29 <haeffb_> Palm's support chat app won't run directly in FireFox
Dec 12 01:29:29 <dawm|mini> haeffb_:  seriously? it was 2 lines.. heh
Dec 12 01:29:29 <Bmyers_qwerty> this.controller.setupWidget('category-menu', undefined, this.categoryMenuModel);
Dec 12 01:29:49 <haeffb_> no, Bmyers_qwerty: pastebin the code that's causing truble
Dec 12 01:30:15 <dawm|mini> try putting {} instead of undefined
Dec 12 01:30:23 <dawm|mini> it could be making things wacky
Dec 12 01:30:24 <sugardave> damn, can't download my app
Dec 12 01:34:40 * haeffb_ chatting with "Barney" at palm support
Dec 12 01:35:19 <dawm|mini> heh
Dec 12 01:35:33 <sugardave> is Baby Bop there, too?
Dec 12 01:36:10 <haeffb_> let's see if "barney" knows his stuff...
Dec 12 01:37:32 <dawm|mini> baby pop?
Dec 12 01:37:35 <dawm|mini> er bop
Dec 12 01:37:44 <dawm|mini> pebbles? bambam?
Dec 12 01:37:55 <FoxFireX> Purple dinosaur.
Dec 12 01:37:58 <Bmyers_qwerty> no more drunk irc'n for haeffb
Dec 12 01:38:09 <Bmyers_qwerty> someone get his keys..
Dec 12 01:38:29 <dawm|mini> dino
Dec 12 01:38:40 <sugardave> dawm|mini: you must not have children
Dec 12 01:38:51 <haeffb_> barney says developers need to update their apps for the latest webOS version.
Dec 12 01:38:54 <Bmyers_qwerty> barney doom..
Dec 12 01:38:57 <dawm|mini> oh wait you mean purple barney
Dec 12 01:39:03 <dawm|mini> i was thinking flintstones
Dec 12 01:39:03 <sugardave> yeah!
Dec 12 01:39:09 <sugardave> ah
Dec 12 01:39:20 <haeffb_> why don't you guys get on that for me...?
Dec 12 01:39:23 <sugardave> I just imagined the purple dinosaur voice when he said "barney"
Dec 12 01:39:43 <dawm|mini> i thought flintstones or barney fife
Dec 12 01:39:46 <dawm|mini> sp
Dec 12 01:39:52 * haeffb_ was thinking barney from "How I Met Your Mother."
Dec 12 01:39:56 <haeffb_> Doogie Howser rules.
Dec 12 01:40:00 <Roy-Pre101> How's everyone tonight?
Dec 12 01:40:04 <dawm|mini> NPH
Dec 12 01:40:15 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: pretty good...Yule Log is out :D
Dec 12 01:40:16 <dawm|mini> haeffb_:  why is your phone broke again?
Dec 12 01:40:16 * haeffb_ not good
Dec 12 01:40:42 <sugardave> it has a 5-star review, but it's not being counted...sad panda
Dec 12 01:40:53 <dawm|mini> heh
Dec 12 01:41:05 <dawm|mini> i noticed dl counts stopped working the otherday
Dec 12 01:41:06 <haeffb_> barney says reset your device.
Dec 12 01:41:41 <FoxFireX> Well, it wasn't Simon, so I guess you aren't supposed to do it.
Dec 12 01:41:42 <sugardave> dawm|mini: by my count I have 25 downloads...unless everyone who has it also put it on their emulator
Dec 12 01:41:54 <dawm|mini> dave log the device
Dec 12 01:42:09 <sugardave> I log the nduid...but they differ amongst emulators, I believe
Dec 12 01:42:15 <reality9110> Damnit.  RadioTime's account creation service is down.
Dec 12 01:42:17 <dawm|mini> emu = Device, pre/pixi are Pre / Pixi
Dec 12 01:42:24 <dawm|mini> no log the device
Dec 12 01:42:35 <reality9110> That explains why nobody is able to access their presets.
Dec 12 01:42:41 <dawm|mini> Mojo.Enviroment.DeviceInfo.  something something
Dec 12 01:42:45 <dawm|mini> hold
Dec 12 01:43:00 <haeffb_> barney did give me very good instructions on how to reset the device.
Dec 12 01:43:03 <dawm|mini> Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.modelNameAscii
Dec 12 01:43:17 <sugardave> dawm|mini: ah, nice
Dec 12 01:43:20 <dawm|mini> spits out the name of the device, if its a emu its just Device
Dec 12 01:43:22 <sugardave> will look at that, thank you
Dec 12 01:43:39 <dawm|mini> i told you i logged stuff ;p
Dec 12 01:43:45 <sugardave> hehe
Dec 12 01:43:47 <dawm|mini> altho its not in the version in the catalog yet
Dec 12 01:44:01 <sugardave> I'll have to update, then wipe the nduid table
Dec 12 01:44:02 <dawm|mini> also
Dec 12 01:44:06 <dawm|mini> Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.platformVersion
Dec 12 01:44:09 <sugardave> then hope everyone runs it at least once more
Dec 12 01:44:13 <dawm|mini> gives you the version
Dec 12 01:44:18 <dawm|mini> and if its the SDK it says SDK
Dec 12 01:44:26 <sugardave> ah, fantastic
Dec 12 01:44:30 <dawm|mini> 1.3.1 SDK on the emu, 1.3.1 on the device
Dec 12 01:44:42 <haeffb_> barney fails. reset didn't help.
Dec 12 01:44:54 <sugardave> haeffb_: what is Barney trying to fix for you?
Dec 12 01:45:03 <dawm|mini> i think thats the only special stuff i logged besides the nduid
Dec 12 01:45:12 <dawm|mini> aside from app information
Dec 12 01:45:58 <haeffb_> app catalog only shows 342 apps. NO Yulelog. NO RadioTime. I'd think you guys would be more into this saga...!
Dec 12 01:45:58 <dawm|mini> seriously.. someone complained for paying 1.99 for swap&drop but who is gonna pay that for these sports games that have NO gfx or any sort of style.. its just raw data
Dec 12 01:46:33 <sugardave> haeffb_: you're WAY behind...I have 710 apps
Dec 12 01:46:49 <dawm|mini> his phone is janky
Dec 12 01:46:49 * haeffb_ is confident that Barney will take care of this.
Dec 12 01:46:55 <sugardave> dawm|mini: people want CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP
Dec 12 01:47:07 <sugardave> let's refuse
Dec 12 01:47:25 * haeffb_ paid $1.99 for swap&drop, used it only once, and hasn't complained a bit.
Dec 12 01:47:34 <dawm|mini> next version is superior
Dec 12 01:47:38 <reality9110> Have to suspend the app until the service is fixed.
Dec 12 01:47:38 <dawm|mini> level mode kicks my ass
Dec 12 01:48:03 <haeffb_> reality9110: good luck over the weekend.
Dec 12 01:48:12 <dawm|mini> i finally beat lvl7 but a bug in the game did the gameover since it was at the last second
Dec 12 01:48:13 <sugardave> reality9110: yes, congrats on getting it in there
Dec 12 01:48:41 <dawm|mini> reality9110:  whats yer app and whats the prob?
Dec 12 01:48:54 <Bmyers_qwerty> ppl r u
Dec 12 01:49:03 <Bmyers_qwerty> advertisers have money
Dec 12 01:49:13 <dawm|mini> sugardave:  i know people want cheap cheap cheap heh.. speaking of which.. when do we get paid?
Dec 12 01:49:15 <Bmyers_qwerty> ppl r cheap
Dec 12 01:49:32 <sugardave> dawm|mini: I'm not expecting anything until January, possibly February
Dec 12 01:49:32 <haeffb_> barney blames you guys again.
Dec 12 01:49:46 <Bmyers_qwerty> barney doom
Dec 12 01:49:48 <FoxFireX> That doesn't sound like the Barney I know.
Dec 12 01:49:48 <sugardave> dawm|mini: I think chuqui said net after 60 days of publish
Dec 12 01:49:52 <haeffb_> barney - "It seems to be the issue with third party vendor softwares."
Dec 12 01:50:03 <sugardave> Barney is a filthy liar
Dec 12 01:50:06 <dawm|mini> barney sucks
Dec 12 01:50:11 <reality9110> dawm|mini: RadioTime
Dec 12 01:50:33 <reality9110> Problem is that account creation service isn't functioning correctly on the server side.
Dec 12 01:50:39 <Bmyers_qwerty> your best webos radio effort thus far..
Dec 12 01:50:48 <reality9110> So, people are unable to create an account and unable to get their presets.
Dec 12 01:50:52 <dawm|mini> btw all of you are in the credits of swap&drop ;p
Dec 12 01:50:53 <dawm|mini> nice
Dec 12 01:50:58 <sugardave> woohoo!
Dec 12 01:51:09 <sugardave> we're famous!
Dec 12 01:51:15 <dawm|mini> you need to write in a catch to see if the service is up, otherwise kill the app userside
Dec 12 01:51:16 <Bmyers_qwerty> that must mean royalties
Dec 12 01:51:26 <FoxFireX> You're just saying that so we'll all go buy it to see if we're in there. :)
Dec 12 01:51:28 <dawm|mini> that way you dont have to suspend thru palm
Dec 12 01:51:32 <haeffb_> haeffb - "How can that be? The apps showed up on the other Pre. The one that the screen became cracked on. The one with the same version of webOS. The one that I was using two days ago."
Dec 12 01:51:50 <dawm|mini> over the weekend means you have to wait till monday/tues
Dec 12 01:51:52 <haeffb_> so barney wants to know if I'm talking about free or paid apps.
Dec 12 01:52:11 <FoxFireX> How do you know if they're paid or free if you can't see them?
Dec 12 01:52:11 <sugardave> well, I think the app catalog app is free....
Dec 12 01:52:12 <dawm|mini> but if your app checked to see if the service was up when it loaded up, you could tell the user to try again later
Dec 12 01:52:15 <reality9110> dawm|mini: The service is up.  It's returning a 200 account created.  It's just that it's not actually creating the account on the server.
Dec 12 01:52:24 <dawm|mini> ahh
Dec 12 01:52:44 <dawm|mini> well you could setup a callhome to check if you say its up or not
Dec 12 01:52:53 <haeffb_> FoxFireX: good point. Of the ones I can see, some are free, some are paid. Of the ones I can't, some are free, some are paid.
Dec 12 01:53:11 <reality9110> It's got error checking literally out the ass for account creation.
Dec 12 01:53:16 <reality9110> It's a server issue
Dec 12 01:53:19 <dawm|mini> yes
Dec 12 01:53:25 <dawm|mini> im saying add a general check
Dec 12 01:53:31 <FoxFireX> I know there've been posts over on the forums about being unable to see apps with 1.3.1.
Dec 12 01:53:33 <dawm|mini> that you can manually set
Dec 12 01:53:42 <FoxFireX> I think they said it's a server side issue they haven't fixed yet.
Dec 12 01:53:44 <dawm|mini> since the app thinks things are working even tho they arent
Dec 12 01:54:09 <haeffb_> maybe I should go to a new version...?
Dec 12 01:54:12 <dawm|mini> if you had a general check that you controlled you could suspend the app yourself until the service works properly
Dec 12 01:54:25 <FoxFireX> May or may not help from what I read.  Let me go grab that thread.
Dec 12 01:55:25 <dawm|mini> service up or down, your check could suspend the app if you wanted it to
Dec 12 01:55:37 <reality9110> dawm|mini: We already have something like that built in.  But it doesn't suspend the app because it offers both an account registration or a "Try before registering"
Dec 12 01:55:49 <dawm|mini> ahh
Dec 12 01:56:01 <reality9110> And besides, if it's not working for me, then there's going to be a load of irritated Iphone users.
Dec 12 01:56:08 <dawm|mini> hehe
Dec 12 01:56:10 <haeffb_> FoxFireX: found it.
Dec 12 01:56:19 <FoxFireX> Ah, good.  I wasn't getting anywhere.
Dec 12 01:56:22 <reality9110> WunderRadio (top 10 paid app) is powered by RadioTime
Dec 12 01:58:26 <haeffb_> barney thanks me for providing more information
Dec 12 01:58:57 <dawm|mini> ohman sounds like sprint chat
Dec 12 01:59:36 <Scaredy> you're making a RadioTime-based app? awesome
Dec 12 02:00:16 <dawm|mini> hrm
Dec 12 02:00:21 <dawm|mini> 1vs100 tonight
Dec 12 02:00:29 <dawm|mini> think ill join in
Dec 12 02:00:33 <reality9110> Scaredy: it's already published
Dec 12 02:01:09 <Scaredy> is it? what's it called? (I don't actually have a device yet :()
Dec 12 02:01:12 <reality9110> RadioTime
Dec 12 02:01:19 <FoxFireX> Wish I could join 1vs100 on the pre.  That'd be cool.
Dec 12 02:01:26 <dawm|mini> lol
Dec 12 02:01:30 <Scaredy> you're allowed to call it that?
Dec 12 02:01:36 <reality9110> Yep
Dec 12 02:01:49 <Scaredy> thought it was a TM and all..
Dec 12 02:01:52 <FoxFireX> Their new selection rules are more fair, but I'm not as likely to get picked now.
Dec 12 02:02:01 <reality9110> Scaredy: I have a contract with them
Dec 12 02:02:08 <Scaredy> ah
Dec 12 02:02:26 <dawm|mini> FoxFireX:  yeh
Dec 12 02:02:38 <reality9110> Heck, I have weekly phone chats with the founder.
Dec 12 02:02:45 <dawm|mini> i just play against my friend who moved to iowa heh so its not too bad that i dont get picked
Dec 12 02:02:47 * haeffb_ reading the thread, while doing what barney says. Barney may have just screwed my by having me backup my profile.
Dec 12 02:03:00 <dawm|mini> she plays all the time, and i rarely do but i get more right ;p
Dec 12 02:03:07 <Scaredy> that was one of the bigger things I was considering that other phone for, so it's nice that it's on webos when I get one
Dec 12 02:03:33 <dawm|mini> btw my gamertag is biocandy   :P
Dec 12 02:03:42 <reality9110> Scaredy: We're just having some account creation problems right now
Dec 12 02:03:54 <pandora--> hahaa
Dec 12 02:03:56 <pandora--> is it on now?
Dec 12 02:03:57 <FoxFireX> Mine's, well, the same thing I always use. :)
Dec 12 02:03:58 <dawm|mini> dawm is locked away forever.. stupid xbox1 beta acct
Dec 12 02:03:59 <reality9110> Basically everybody (except one jackass) gave it 5 stars
Dec 12 02:04:08 <pandora--> i should turn on 1v100
Dec 12 02:04:31 <dawm|mini> pandora--:  in an hour it starts, its just extended play right now
Dec 12 02:04:43 <Scaredy> cool.. what're you charging for it? (hopefully Palm lets non-US buy apps soon)
Dec 12 02:04:52 <reality9110> Scaredy: Free.
Dec 12 02:04:58 <Scaredy> nice
Dec 12 02:05:00 <haeffb_> barney wants me to record any important info before performing a partial erase.
Dec 12 02:05:27 <dawm|mini> i setup reminders on my phone so i wouldnt forget 1vs100 live heh
Dec 12 02:05:38 <reality9110> Scaredy: I have it slated for US, Canada, UK, Ireland, at the moment.  Spain, France, Mexico, and Germany as soon as I get translations back
Dec 12 02:05:50 <FoxFireX> Sorry I didn't bring up that thread earlier, haeffb_...
Dec 12 02:05:51 * haeffb_ having a hard time convincing barney that I don't need to copy anything via USB
Dec 12 02:05:53 <Scaredy> I'm in Canada, so I'm covered :)
Dec 12 02:06:18 <Bmyers_qwerty> where in CA Scaredy?
Dec 12 02:06:27 <Scaredy> Ottawa
Dec 12 02:06:43 <Bmyers_qwerty> used to live in Nova Scotia
Dec 12 02:06:59 <dawm|mini> im near canada.. just outside of detroit
Dec 12 02:07:12 <haeffb_> barney does not want me to create a new profile
Dec 12 02:07:21 * FoxFireX read that as "used to be Nova Scotia", and was halfway through "not Constantinople"....
Dec 12 02:07:28 <Roy-Pre101> Mmm, that reminds me... I need to get my Spanish and French translations done.
Dec 12 02:07:36 <FoxFireX> Well Barney's just gonna have to learn to live with disappointment.
Dec 12 02:10:19 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb_: When that happened to me, I needed to downgrade, create new profile, upgrade to latest, do a full wipe then restore my profile and I was good to go
Dec 12 02:12:10 <haeffb_> restore newly created profile or old profile?
Dec 12 02:13:00 <haeffb_> I should mention that I only saw 342 apps on 1.2.1 as well.
Dec 12 02:13:46 <FoxFireX> Part of the problem may be restoring a 1.3.1 profile into 1.2.1.
Dec 12 02:13:56 <FoxFireX> So it'd make sense that could be where the problem starts.
Dec 12 02:14:36 <haeffb_> that's likely what it is. Can I delete my original profile and start from scratch?
Dec 12 02:14:57 <FoxFireX> Well, you could try what Roy-Pre101 suggested.
Dec 12 02:15:19 <dawm|mini> you make a fake profile then upgrade
Dec 12 02:15:26 <FoxFireX> (But I don't know of a way to actually delete a profile.)
Dec 12 02:15:26 <dawm|mini> then wipe and restore your good one
Dec 12 02:15:36 <dawm|mini> partially wipe the device
Dec 12 02:15:59 <haeffb_> hell, I can completely wipe this device - there's nothing on it.
Dec 12 02:16:04 <dawm|mini> theres a howto on precentral
Dec 12 02:16:23 <dawm|mini> i know i skimmed it heh
Dec 12 02:16:59 <dawm|mini> wow these people are stupd
Dec 12 02:17:36 <haeffb_> on the bright side, my wife gave me a blu-ray player as an early christmas present tonight, so I got that going for me.
Dec 12 02:17:58 <dawm|mini> heh was it a ps3
Dec 12 02:18:07 <dawm|mini> hahaha
Dec 12 02:18:11 <dawm|mini> typo in 1vs100
Dec 12 02:18:18 <dawm|mini> Whar actor played ...
Dec 12 02:18:21 <dawm|mini> yes Whar
Dec 12 02:18:27 <FoxFireX> Whar... garble?
Dec 12 02:18:37 <haeffb_> nah. Phillips
Dec 12 02:18:41 * haeffb_ not a gamer
Dec 12 02:18:47 <haeffb_> thinking about a wii, though.
Dec 12 02:19:14 <zsoc> bluray + hidef tv = win
Dec 12 02:19:15 <dawm|mini> the ps3 is seriously the best bluray player.. easy to update and plays games as a bonus
Dec 12 02:19:17 * FoxFireX is nothing if not a gamer.  Although frequently more obscure ones.
Dec 12 02:19:49 <dawm|mini> i bought a ps3 when i had to send in my 360 for repairs.. so i have both
Dec 12 02:20:07 <dawm|mini> cant see myself owning a wii
Dec 12 02:20:09 <haeffb_> dawm|mini: yeah, I know. But I didn't buy it...she did. So I gotta say "wow, that's great, honey!"
Dec 12 02:20:18 <dawm|mini> heh its still great
Dec 12 02:20:24 <dawm|mini> wasnt meaning to dog it
Dec 12 02:20:27 <FoxFireX> But without a Wii, you can't play NSMB!
Dec 12 02:20:39 <zsoc> haeffb_: you are a good husband
Dec 12 02:21:06 * zsoc just realized this wasn't #webos-watercooler
Dec 12 02:21:14 <haeffb_> yeah, I don't hit her when she brings the wrong kind of beer, either.
Dec 12 02:21:34 <zsoc> haeffb_: I've actually never had that happen. Well trained i guess.
Dec 12 02:22:01 <FoxFireX> Why not go off topic when there's no topic?
Dec 12 02:22:11 <dawm|mini> lol
Dec 12 02:22:29 <zsoc> I always say, IRC is about idle chatter, not Idle Chatters.
Dec 12 02:22:29 <haeffb_> because, some day, somebody's gonna read these logs.
Dec 12 02:23:22 <FoxFireX> Well that's why you don't post the incriminating evidence in channel, you send it via /msg.
Dec 12 02:23:24 <haeffb_> all account passwords were lost
Dec 12 02:24:29 <haeffb_> barney says, yes, that was supposed to happen
Dec 12 02:25:05 <haeffb_> barney also calls it a "device" not a "phone"
Dec 12 02:25:22 <zsoc> it is a webos device
Dec 12 02:25:36 <haeffb_> sooo much more than a phone
Dec 12 02:26:34 <haeffb_> barney was pretty confident that this was going to work...let's see.
Dec 12 02:27:13 <haeffb_> barney ROCKS! only took us 56 minutes to get it done, too.
Dec 12 02:27:44 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb_: um... woot?
Dec 12 02:28:19 <haeffb_> barney patting himself on the back right now.
Dec 12 02:28:37 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb_: Be sure to say 'thank you'
Dec 12 02:28:44 <haeffb_> did.
Dec 12 02:29:10 <haeffb_> wow. look at all the soccer and football and hockey apps. Maybe I should go back to broken.
Dec 12 02:29:18 <zsoc> ha
Dec 12 02:29:29 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb_: hahaa
Dec 12 02:29:30 <haeffb_> Love this:  Barney: We strive for our customer's satisfaction!
Dec 12 02:29:34 <dawm|mini> haeffb_: lol
Dec 12 02:29:41 <reality9110> Ok.  RadioTime should be fixed in 10 minutes
Dec 12 02:30:01 <sugardave> don't put it on the line like that...I strive to get up every morning on time
Dec 12 02:30:24 <reality9110> I need a time line
Dec 12 02:30:30 <reality9110> It's in the app catalog.
Dec 12 02:30:46 <reality9110> If people are creating accounts and they never actually get created on the server...that's a problem
Dec 12 02:30:58 <sugardave> yes
Dec 12 02:31:26 <haeffb_> so, should I DL radiotime now? Or in 10 minutes?
Dec 12 02:31:35 <dawm|mini> now so you dont have to wait
Dec 12 02:32:00 <reality9110> You can download it now.  It's get a Try without registering feature.
Dec 12 02:32:25 <haeffb_> will it give me whb810 sports from KC?
Dec 12 02:32:25 <reality9110> And there's a way to reset account registration so you can register over again if you want to register.
Dec 12 02:32:36 <dawm|mini> hrm i dot see it in my app catalog
Dec 12 02:32:58 <reality9110> Let me check
Dec 12 02:33:09 <haeffb_> they stream in WMA
Dec 12 02:33:13 <reality9110> dawm|mini: It's after all of those sports apps that were just posted
Dec 12 02:33:48 <dawm|mini> odd
Dec 12 02:33:50 <sugardave> it's one or two above Yule Log
Dec 12 02:33:55 <dawm|mini> i serached for it and it didnt come up
Dec 12 02:34:07 <sugardave> search sucks, apparently
Dec 12 02:34:09 <dawm|mini> i searched for radio, then radiotime and it didnt come up
Dec 12 02:34:11 <sugardave> you'll have to scroll
Dec 12 02:34:25 <FoxFireX> Search works pretty well for me.
Dec 12 02:34:33 <reality9110> haeffb_: That particular station isn't available on WebOS...but most of the shows that are on it such as ESPN gamenight are on other channels.
Dec 12 02:34:43 <sugardave> I haven't used it much, but I see people complain about it from time to time
Dec 12 02:35:03 <FoxFireX> Don't use it much myself, but what I've used it for has been okay.  Eh.
Dec 12 02:35:04 <reality9110> haeffb_: You can make a show a preset, so you don't have to make a "station" a preset.
Dec 12 02:35:43 <dawm|mini> pretty snazzy
Dec 12 02:35:54 <reality9110> Works well for talk radio.
Dec 12 02:36:24 * haeffb_ listens to the local sports talk shows on that station
Dec 12 02:36:44 <haeffb_> but they're probably not on radiotime
Dec 12 02:36:53 <reality9110> haeffb_: They're on radiotime.com
Dec 12 02:37:18 <reality9110> There's 100,000 streams on the app right now.  Adding more every week.
Dec 12 02:38:23 <reality9110> If you send an email about it to radiotimewebos@gmail.com with the stations you want, I can see if they can add them.
Dec 12 02:38:45 <reality9110> It's mainly a stream conversion that needs to happen.
Dec 12 02:39:55 <haeffb_> ok, awesome. The Program with Soren Petro is on radiotime, even if the station is not.
Dec 12 02:40:46 <reality9110> OK.  It's fixed.
Dec 12 02:42:16 <dawm|mini> hah d0oh
Dec 12 02:42:23 <haeffb_> this is ad-based?
Dec 12 02:42:44 <dawm|mini> was gonna leave a review for my app so people stop complaining about missing level mode.. but i never bought my app so i cant heh
Dec 12 02:42:56 <reality9110> haeffb_: Yes
Dec 12 02:43:40 <haeffb_> so if I don't click you don't get paid? No, wait you're getting paid just for putting the ads in front of me...
Dec 12 02:43:51 <reality9110> Yeah, most ads are CPM
Dec 12 02:44:24 <dawm|mini> what happens to your app if i get a call?
Dec 12 02:44:36 <reality9110> Audio pauses.
Dec 12 02:44:45 <reality9110> Resumes on end of phone call
Dec 12 02:45:11 <dawm|mini> good heh i forgot about that in my app initially
Dec 12 02:45:25 <reality9110> dawm|mini: This isn't my first audio app.
Dec 12 02:48:19 <haeffb_> iFartPro for only $4.99
Dec 12 02:48:50 <Bmyers_qwerty> coded after the famous Ipoot app
Dec 12 02:49:05 <reality9110> But $4.99?  Come on...
Dec 12 02:49:16 <haeffb_> I wasn't gonna get it. But it's the Pro version..
Dec 12 02:49:23 <dawm|mini> heh
Dec 12 02:49:49 <dawm|mini> honestly... id rather pay 4.99 for a fart app than 1.99 for these stupid sport apps
Dec 12 02:49:58 <dawm|mini> the fart app atleast has audio
Dec 12 02:50:08 * haeffb_ is waiting for the Kansas City Football Fans Pro version.
Dec 12 02:50:31 <kesne> Dawm
Dec 12 02:50:32 <kesne> RAWR
Dec 12 02:50:42 <dawm|mini> yo
Dec 12 02:50:47 <kesne> hey!
Dec 12 02:50:51 <kesne> Whats up?
Dec 12 02:51:12 <dawm|mini> i gotta send over the newest version if you wouldnt mind testing
Dec 12 02:51:18 <kesne> Sure thing
Dec 12 02:51:20 <kesne> Send away
Dec 12 02:51:49 <dawm> im not even gonna attempt to send it from the hackintosh.. to tiny of a kb
Dec 12 02:52:04 <kesne> ok
Dec 12 02:52:07 <haeffb_> is it unethical for me to edit the weather channel app to remove the ads to make more weather show up on my wife's pixi?
Dec 12 02:52:57 <dawm> why ask?
Dec 12 02:53:06 <dawm> if you did we'd never know, cept you told us
Dec 12 02:53:10 <zsoc> haeffb_: that depends if they get paid cpc or cpm ;)
Dec 12 02:53:10 <reality9110> haeffb_: I did that to accuweather a long time ago.
Dec 12 02:53:14 <haeffb_> just curious what other people think
Dec 12 02:53:21 <destinal> haeffb_: you can edit anything that you buy or download on your own system
Dec 12 02:53:38 <haeffb_> accuweather doesn't show precip %.
Dec 12 02:53:44 <destinal> haeffb_: copyright restricts redistribution and performance, not modification / editing
Dec 12 02:53:57 <haeffb_> but an ad-supported app...?
Dec 12 02:54:05 <haeffb_> what if I removed the ads from radiotime?
Dec 12 02:54:21 <dawm> accuweather is far from accurate.. i used to use it before i went to work (pre-pre) failed me everytime
Dec 12 02:54:30 <reality9110> haeffb_: Then I'd have to kill you
Dec 12 02:54:33 <destinal> haeffb_: that's your business just as it would be if you wanted to use an ad blocker in a web browser
Dec 12 02:54:33 <dawm> kesne, youve got mail
Dec 12 02:54:54 * haeffb_ has to remember to never confess to reality9110
Dec 12 02:55:11 <reality9110> You won't be able to remove the ads in the next version however.
Dec 12 02:55:12 <destinal> haeffb_: now if you want to support the author, you might let it download their ads, but it's not unethical not to, I would say
Dec 12 02:55:27 <haeffb_> anyone wanna write a "remember stuff not to confess" app?
Dec 12 02:55:44 <dawm> kesne, highscore screen still needs work, i wish the radio widget was resizable
Dec 12 02:55:57 <kesne> aight
Dec 12 02:56:00 <kesne> installing now
Dec 12 02:56:03 <kesne> Or later
Dec 12 02:56:08 <destinal> haeffb_: just maybe not as neighborly :P
Dec 12 02:56:31 * haeffb_ would rather pay for an app that be bothered by ads.
Dec 12 02:56:47 <haeffb_> reality9110: got a paypal donate button?
Dec 12 02:56:53 <reality9110> No
Dec 12 02:56:55 <destinal> haeffb_: then modify your copy to take out the ads and donate, exactly
Dec 12 02:57:14 <reality9110> haeffb_: This is contract work for RadioTime Inc
Dec 12 02:57:32 <sugardave> haeffb_: that app, you could call it, "Why in the Hell Did I Write This Down?"
Dec 12 02:57:52 <haeffb_> "Hope My Wife Never Sees This!"
Dec 12 02:57:53 <destinal> haeffb_: regardless, as long as you don't make / distribute copies of your modified version, it's not against copyright.
Dec 12 02:58:04 <reality9110> haeffb_: There is the possibility of a paid version in the future, however.  The paid version of the application will include cloud recording of streams
Dec 12 02:59:26 <dawm|mini> ilove the show the bigbang theory
Dec 12 02:59:56 <haeffb_> I have most of that night's shows on DVR.
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