**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 12 02:59:57 2009 Dec 12 03:00:23 i dvr them all, and have older ones on my pc Dec 12 03:00:41 that and stargate universe Dec 12 03:02:26 HIMYM, 2.5guys, BigBangTheory. And Accidentally on Purpose just because of Tea Leoni. Dec 12 03:06:16 rick_home: Nice. Snow Globe got mentioned on the official palm blog Dec 12 03:09:51 dawm - you do know that you can get fart apps for .99 correct? :) Dec 12 03:09:59 Good evening everyone Dec 12 03:10:13 heh yes i know, i have no need for one tho Dec 12 03:10:20 dollar menu at mcdonalds? Dec 12 03:10:29 MMM mcdouble Dec 12 03:10:39 yeah, but are they fart apps PRO? Dec 12 03:10:41 works everytime for me Dec 12 03:11:00 Gas Passer Pro is being submitted this weekend, its from our homebrew app Dec 12 03:11:26 Hi guys! I'm trying to style the hint text of a focused text field. Here's what I have: http://pastie.org/739960 any ideas? Dec 12 03:11:32 sadly enough but it had 40K downloads Dec 12 03:12:26 wow Dec 12 03:12:38 prejeweled only had 35k last i checked Dec 12 03:13:06 yeah Gas Passer has created a small cult following :D Dec 12 03:13:42 Before we took down the installer we broke 40k downloads Dec 12 03:14:01 you're kidding!!!! Dec 12 03:14:07 nope Dec 12 03:14:15 prejeweled is at 39444.. sooo old and outdated but still getting downloads Dec 12 03:14:27 Yeah prejeweled is a great game Dec 12 03:14:41 I have spent some time with that one Dec 12 03:14:48 didnt you get it in the ap catalog? Dec 12 03:14:48 full of bugs and memleaks heh Dec 12 03:14:54 yeah its swap&drop now Dec 12 03:14:57 block drop? Dec 12 03:14:58 ah ok Dec 12 03:15:18 I may have to purchase it, since we spent some time using the free one Dec 12 03:15:29 new version gonna hit as soon as i get feedback from my testers. new level mode and animations ;D Dec 12 03:15:38 SAWEET Dec 12 03:15:47 almost 70K downloads of reversi in the app catalog, plus precentral Dec 12 03:15:52 i barely got to lvl8 Dec 12 03:15:59 My other app only has 8041 total Dec 12 03:16:02 Windows 2 had reversi Dec 12 03:16:04 only $99 Dec 12 03:16:12 Windows 1 had reversi Dec 12 03:16:18 zsoc heh i have that on a floppy Dec 12 03:16:22 I want to break 100,000 with RadioTime Dec 12 03:16:22 2.03 and 1.0 Dec 12 03:16:30 my turn! I have 76k downloads Dec 12 03:16:37 I would pay for 1.0 Dec 12 03:16:43 I cant seem to find that one Dec 12 03:16:48 * FoxFireX was over 150,000 last he checked. Bonus for being an earlybird. ;) Dec 12 03:16:51 ESP in a sealed copy Dec 12 03:16:57 if i had a floppy drive id send it over Dec 12 03:16:59 lol Dec 12 03:17:02 key is to keep submitting updates Dec 12 03:17:08 That does help. Dec 12 03:17:19 Hooray for raw download count ego boost! Dec 12 03:17:29 woot! Dec 12 03:17:30 i added a callhome to track usage/installs in the next version (superdave;s suggestion) Dec 12 03:17:33 I have 3.0 and 3.1 in sealed copies, for both 3.5 and 5.24 Dec 12 03:17:45 When do the download counts start flowing? Dec 12 03:17:52 Not sure Dec 12 03:17:54 they havent been Dec 12 03:17:54 As in, when do they update the numbers? Dec 12 03:18:01 After they fix the bug in the system. Dec 12 03:18:01 "someday" Dec 12 03:18:05 They seem to have broke them recently Dec 12 03:18:06 Something broke a few days ago. Dec 12 03:18:06 yeh they stopped updating the other day Dec 12 03:18:15 if that doesn't drive dome downloads then I don't know what will. Dec 12 03:18:21 I would like them to give us the new dev portal soon Dec 12 03:18:31 so we get an actual count and breakdown by month etc Dec 12 03:18:34 there's a high priority request to engineering to fix the download counts. Dec 12 03:18:35 yeh Dec 12 03:18:38 There's a lot of things I'd like for them to give us... Dec 12 03:18:39 I hear that is coming just not there yet Dec 12 03:18:42 also reviews aren't updating on some apps. Dec 12 03:18:46 rick_home: Dec 12 03:18:48 er Dec 12 03:19:01 yes? Dec 12 03:19:13 rick_home: its odd they're working on the download counts when the code to show them was commented out Dec 12 03:19:35 normal ppl have no clue its even there Dec 12 03:19:39 dawm|mini: uh, commented out unless you use the patch Dec 12 03:19:41 I would pay up to 200 if you have a sealed copy of windows 1, much less if its open Dec 12 03:19:43 just saying Dec 12 03:19:49 which palm semi-officially suggests you use. Dec 12 03:19:59 yeah and the patch doesnt work now Dec 12 03:19:59 yeh i have patched Dec 12 03:20:03 So, what do we have to do to get our app on the front page? Dec 12 03:20:10 be lucky Dec 12 03:20:10 Of the app catalog Dec 12 03:20:14 Patch works fine. Data don't work. Dec 12 03:20:15 The way that Chuq -gets- numbers when people email him is to use the patch. Dec 12 03:20:18 They contact devs randomly Dec 12 03:20:21 so he wants it fixed. Dec 12 03:20:30 CTLAdvance: I got contacted about a month ago Dec 12 03:20:41 sorry thats correct, data isnt there, patch shows the numbers Dec 12 03:20:43 to be featured on the app catalog you have to have 4+ stars and ask your minder if she would put you in for featured. Dec 12 03:21:05 Thanks for the breakdown rick Dec 12 03:21:23 Ok. Most of my reviews are 5 stars Dec 12 03:21:37 it's not random. The minders put people into the queue for featured. Dec 12 03:21:38 rick_home: Has that been broadcast? First I've heard of it. (Not that I might have just missed it.) Mind you, I got on the front page early on, so it may have been different then. Dec 12 03:21:41 nag your minder Dec 12 03:21:50 Judy! Get on it! Dec 12 03:22:05 no that has NOT been broadcast. You have to have had a long feeling chat with your minder. Dec 12 03:22:15 Judy is very sweet. I really like her. Dec 12 03:22:37 and I try to remember to email her or something about once a week no matter if I need to or not to stay in her sights. Dec 12 03:23:03 I've been emailing her about 6 times a day Dec 12 03:23:08 * FoxFireX still has to go search his mail to remember who his contact is. <-- Bad developer. Dec 12 03:23:09 hehehehehe Dec 12 03:23:19 There were some miscommunications Dec 12 03:23:24 Ah. Dec 12 03:23:27 that happens. Dec 12 03:23:29 Yeah Dec 12 03:23:40 But, alas, the app is out there. Dec 12 03:23:42 Ok I set the property of the wrapping to div to x-mojo-focus-highlight="true" but I don't know how to style it. Does it add a class somewhere that I can then use to style the field? Dec 12 03:23:52 when that happend, I _called_ -- which helped clear a lot of that up Dec 12 03:24:21 catalystmediastu: Don't mean to be ignoring, but not really sure how to help, sorry. :/ Dec 12 03:24:30 catalystmediastu: do you have the excel spreadsheet with all the css classes? Dec 12 03:24:35 She always emails me at around 12:00AM Dec 12 03:25:07 so, WillJitsu in #webos-internals just had the exact came deal with a replacement Pre. Dec 12 03:25:16 came/same Dec 12 03:25:19 rick_home: No, I don't. Didn't know there was one! Is it on the dev portal Dec 12 03:25:26 catalystmediastu: yep Dec 12 03:25:52 I can't read that CSS spreadhseet and know what I'm doing Dec 12 03:25:56 not yet Dec 12 03:25:57 alright, I'll take a look. That will be very helpful seeing as the Inspector doesn't seem to show me the current HTML haha Dec 12 03:26:02 i havent had the need to talk to my handler, but i get emails from Gloria from time to time, they appear to be form letters tho Dec 12 03:26:58 I'm going to have to put adfonic into the ad rotation Dec 12 03:27:28 Alright found it! If any of you guys are wondering the x-mojo-focus-highlight="true" makes it so that when a text field is focused it adds the class "focused" to the div with x-mojo-focus-highlight. Dec 12 03:27:52 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1630#StylesandCSSReference-ReferenceSpreadsheet Dec 12 03:28:17 Reality do you need to email people so many times? XD Dec 12 03:28:25 jk of course Dec 12 03:28:50 CTLAdvance: It takes a lot to put an app like this out there. Lots of coordination Dec 12 03:28:55 Real - have you gotten the official admob js file to work for adverts, someone said you did Dec 12 03:29:04 Of course. Dec 12 03:29:33 Yeah - I understand, the reps have been good about helping the early developers. Dec 12 03:29:43 * FoxFireX can't even find the email mentioning who his contact is anymore. <-- Really bad developer. Dec 12 03:29:50 very good to the limits of what they CAN do. Dec 12 03:29:58 Real - was that of course, you got it working or of course you understand I was kidding Dec 12 03:30:08 and when it gets very frustrating, it's at least a human being to call and cry with. Dec 12 03:30:08 CTLAdvance: Of course I have it working Dec 12 03:30:11 he got it working Dec 12 03:30:23 CTLAdvance: They are third in the string of advertisers for RadioTime Dec 12 03:30:30 Did you have to do anything special, nothing is showing up on mine Dec 12 03:30:31 Thanks rick_home Dec 12 03:30:42 welcom catalystmediastu Dec 12 03:30:51 CTLAdvance: No. Nothing special Dec 12 03:30:53 The logs tell me its working, but its not displaying anything Dec 12 03:30:58 interesting Dec 12 03:31:09 Just follow the directions Dec 12 03:31:34 Yeah I did, ill have to try it again, maybe an issue with how my apps laid out position wise Dec 12 03:32:09 The banners and everything work? Dec 12 03:32:19 Everything works Dec 12 03:32:27 Thanks boss, ill give it another go Dec 12 03:32:48 where is this? Dec 12 03:33:12 On admob's site Dec 12 03:33:19 I wouldn't recommend using admob however. Dec 12 03:33:25 why? Dec 12 03:33:31 Very low fill rates Dec 12 03:33:42 Were getting around 70% Dec 12 03:33:46 Who do you recommend? Dec 12 03:33:52 Quatro? Dec 12 03:34:04 You'll get 70% for a week, then you'll be down to 20% Dec 12 03:34:07 That's how they get you Dec 12 03:34:17 Smaato when they work Dec 12 03:34:22 Weve had more stable than that Dec 12 03:34:24 Ah, there she is! Just star that so I know it's the one that says what I was looking for. Dec 12 03:34:35 it hovers between 68 and 74 Dec 12 03:34:37 CTLAdvance: How long have you been with them? Dec 12 03:34:38 been 4 weeks now Dec 12 03:34:50 You're lucky Dec 12 03:35:39 Is this an iphone, android, or webos app? Dec 12 03:36:35 WebOS apps, but I am using the android in teh system Dec 12 03:36:49 Is it released? Dec 12 03:37:31 Yes Dec 12 03:37:39 3 of them are ad supported buttons Dec 12 03:37:43 that play sounds Dec 12 03:37:49 let me see what I am at for today Dec 12 03:37:50 lol Dec 12 03:38:47 at around 65% Dec 12 03:39:16 u making bank of those CTL? Dec 12 03:39:26 off Dec 12 03:39:30 How many requests? Dec 12 03:39:33 making bank? Dec 12 03:39:35 250k Dec 12 03:39:38 for 1 day Dec 12 03:39:54 What's your CTR? Dec 12 03:40:00 let me see Dec 12 03:40:52 .4 Dec 12 03:41:30 That's virtually my statistics for BroadCAST Radio except my fill is around 20-30% Dec 12 03:42:24 eww thats nasty Dec 12 03:42:24 So instead of $80-100 a day, it's $40-50 a day Dec 12 03:42:30 Yeah Dec 12 03:42:46 were in the 30 - 50 across all of our free aps Dec 12 03:42:47 apps Dec 12 03:44:31 hey guys, is the prototype version in webos 1.5 or 1.6 ? Dec 12 03:44:55 At least RadioTime off the initial release seems to be making around $14 an hour. Dec 12 03:45:04 Thats sweet Dec 12 03:45:33 All CPM. Haven't checked the click networks yet Dec 12 03:45:40 nice Dec 12 03:45:50 ok well let me see later if I can get the banners to work Dec 12 03:46:19 on the admob js, you didnt ad anything to your scene did you? Dec 12 03:46:36 Yeah. You need a div Dec 12 03:46:40 ah Dec 12 03:46:43 maybe thats the issue Dec 12 03:46:55 It looked like it does it dynamically Dec 12 03:46:58 hrm.. just had an idea for another game Dec 12 03:47:14 Its not in the instructions anywhere Dec 12 03:48:07 CTLAdvance: It might. I changed it slightly Dec 12 03:48:51 Instead of this.controller.get('admob_ad').insert(ad) I changed it to $('admob_ad').update(ad) Dec 12 03:51:09 umm... thats not in the official admob js from google code Dec 12 03:52:24 this.controller.get('admob_ad').insert(ad) is Dec 12 03:52:29 I just changed that line Dec 12 03:52:37 to $('admob_ad').update(ad) Dec 12 03:53:10 let me dl it again, its not in my version Dec 12 03:53:32 That's the call you need to make Dec 12 03:54:12 http://code.google.com/p/admob-webos/wiki/IntegrationDocumentation Under to request an ad Dec 12 03:54:43 AHA! Dec 12 03:54:54 I got it its in the code I added, ok thanks, let me give that a try Dec 12 03:55:18 * CTLAdvance opens other js files now Dec 12 03:55:43 brb Dec 12 03:55:51 Thanks for the help real Dec 12 03:56:01 no problem Dec 12 04:00:41 * FoxFireX is off to bed. Night! Dec 12 05:16:19 Review process is MOVING these days. I submitted my app last night and it looks like at least 5 people were playing it today! Dec 12 05:26:15 rbredow: nice Dec 12 05:26:42 Speaking of which, my copy wasn't able to update the high scores the other day. Dec 12 05:26:47 I see a couple of familiar names in the high score list from here too. I'm probably more excited than I should be. Dec 12 05:27:24 You should put up some of your canvas thoughts on webos101.com Dec 12 05:27:26 Yes...the format changed to add a checksum (to help avoid spammers). I'm happy to give you the release version if you want it. I really appreciate your notes. Dec 12 05:27:45 I will. I've learned a couple of performance things people might find useful. Dec 12 05:28:41 Ok...you know what? Forget smaato. Dec 12 05:30:10 reality9110: I've done you one better. I didn't know it before. Dec 12 05:30:33 rbredow: Send along. :) Checksum was a good idea. Dec 12 05:30:59 My son can make it through several levels by himself. He just turned 4. Dec 12 05:31:35 That's awesome! Dec 12 05:31:55 I wanna make a game for my daughters next. They are 4 and 7 and I think I've got a simple idea they'll love. Dec 12 05:32:31 Excellent! I have some kids games I'm working on as well. Dec 12 05:32:44 Or will, once I have time to work on them again. Dec 12 05:32:49 Roy-Pre101: What did you do? Dec 12 05:33:03 Ah, I get it... Dec 12 05:33:03 Do to what? Dec 12 05:33:09 Nevermind Dec 12 05:33:19 I'm just extremely unsatisfied with an ad network Dec 12 05:33:36 The ads are coming through, yet I check the impression count and it's 26 Dec 12 05:33:45 Hmm. Dec 12 05:33:47 There's no way. Just absolutely no way that there are only 26 impressions. Dec 12 05:33:50 That doesn't sond good. Dec 12 05:33:54 *sound Dec 12 05:34:10 After 2 weeks of phone calls with Germany on this. Dec 12 05:34:12 I gotta plug in my ad stuff, too. Too many todo's, not enough time. Dec 12 05:35:06 I've got some time finally. I'll be on vacation soon and I told my students I'm not leaving a forwarding address or number. Dec 12 05:35:31 So if they blow up the lab...well...they'll just have to clean up the rubble. Dec 12 05:37:24 yeah my biggest concern with online leaderboards is cheaters, which is why i still havent finished my online leaderboards for swapndrop Dec 12 05:38:23 im thinking of keeping the scores on the device and having an option to push them to the online leaderboard manually, rather than constantly relying on keeping everything on the server. Dec 12 05:39:54 dawm: I added a checksum to my online leaderboard to help make it harder for cheaters to game. Not foolproof, but probably enough. Dec 12 05:39:57 By the way, Best Buy is running an incredible deal on a Sony Bravia 46" Dec 12 05:40:04 dawm: Happy to give you the code if you want it. Dec 12 05:40:10 would appreciate it :) Dec 12 05:40:12 reality9110: How incredible? Dec 12 05:40:32 $950, includes a PS3 and a game and a blueray movie Dec 12 05:40:40 Ok. Let me make sure it's presentable. I'm using python on the server side, want that too? Dec 12 05:40:52 reality9110, a local furniture store is having a deal, sony 46", ps3, full living room set (couch, loveseat, tables, lamps, rug) for 1999.. a steal if you ask me Dec 12 05:41:02 i only know php, but im sure i could figure it out Dec 12 05:41:15 So, if you're old like me, you sell the PS3 and the game and the blueray movie, then you end up with the Bravia for $600ish Dec 12 05:41:35 oooh paratrooper looks like it could be fun Dec 12 05:42:24 dawm: It _is_ fun. Dec 12 05:42:43 dawm: happy to give you a copy. I've gotten a lot of help here. Dec 12 05:46:38 hmm Dec 12 05:46:41 wheres the htc channel Dec 12 05:46:42 damnit Dec 12 05:46:51 lol Dec 12 05:46:57 I can tell you where it's not Dec 12 05:46:58 got touchpro2 Dec 12 05:47:03 wheres my channel Dec 12 05:47:08 direct me please Dec 12 05:47:18 Phone: HTC Touch Pro 2 Dec 12 05:47:21 spanking: Try xda-developers.com Dec 12 05:47:24 i got questions Dec 12 05:47:37 no Dec 12 05:47:40 i came to chat Dec 12 05:47:45 with other htc tp2 owners Dec 12 05:48:07 So you came to the Palm WebOS channel because...? Dec 12 05:48:13 to spam Dec 12 05:48:19 stfu Dec 12 05:48:19 newbie Dec 12 05:48:31 i just said why Dec 12 05:48:39 lead me to the right chnnel Dec 12 05:48:41 thats the attitude to have when you're in the totally wrong channel Dec 12 05:48:45 dawm: He could and most likely is mentally challenged. It's not polite to make fun of these mentally challenged people. Dec 12 05:48:46 ok Dec 12 05:49:00 you guys cant just direct me and stfu? Dec 12 05:49:04 #xda-devs Dec 12 05:49:19 thanks Dec 12 05:49:27 you type /part #webos then /join #xda-devs Dec 12 05:49:31 no Dec 12 05:49:40 i'll hang out Dec 12 05:49:56 then ill just add you to ignore and pretend you left Dec 12 05:50:04 enjoy Dec 12 05:51:22 hatters got shitty phones Dec 12 05:51:23 all of u Dec 12 05:51:35 newbie palm phone Dec 12 05:53:08 This is why Cold Spring Harbor was correct in advocating for eugenics. Dec 12 05:53:49 At least I got to learn how to use ignore in my chat prog. Dec 12 05:54:14 hard to learn /ignore Dec 12 05:54:15 newb Dec 12 05:54:35 try /ignore * Dec 12 05:54:37 It's unethical to ignore the mentally challenged. Dec 12 05:55:10 so many newbies Dec 12 05:55:36 We as a society have decided to allow these children to live, so we must take care of them Dec 12 05:55:40 wow Dec 12 05:55:46 typing to yourself again Dec 12 05:55:51 like anyone cares Dec 12 05:56:50 Excuse me, child. But if you didn't care, then why did you reply? Dec 12 05:56:57 wow Dec 12 05:56:59 newbie Dec 12 05:57:28 VERSION Dec 12 05:57:44 You see people? This is what's called echolalia. It's a sign of autism and lower functioning disorders. Dec 12 05:58:22 The child here has a distinct lack of himself. Instead, he feels he must utter phrases that he has heard before such as "newbie" in order to make himself feel important. Dec 12 05:59:07 wow Dec 12 05:59:10 stfu newbie Dec 12 06:00:00 You see? There it is again. "Newbie". He heard it before from some other person and said to himself, "Man...I could be so cool if I spoke just like that guy!" So, here he is, uttering a simple word, over and over again. Dec 12 06:00:35 The mind is truly a fascinating thing even in if said mind is barely functioning. Dec 12 06:01:02 ROFLCOPTR Dec 12 06:01:04 newbie Dec 12 06:01:17 what r u some kind of phd Dec 12 06:01:18 It's also quite typical in elementary school children through high school. Dec 12 06:01:19 diagnosing me Dec 12 06:01:23 u fucking nerd Dec 12 06:01:28 go back play your wii Dec 12 06:01:32 pathetic Dec 12 06:01:36 sitting here on irc Dec 12 06:01:42 like u guarding the room Dec 12 06:01:46 mr fat boy Dec 12 06:01:49 newbie Dec 12 06:01:50 stfu Dec 12 06:01:55 dont even respond Dec 12 06:02:25 dkirker-calpoly, dkirker_ , you around? Dec 12 06:02:44 yes Dec 12 06:02:49 Here we go again. He's used several terms, "ROFLCOPTR", "newbie", and "wii" here. All popular references to middle schoolers in general. Dec 12 06:02:53 any chance you could boot this guy? Dec 12 06:03:00 It really shows a severe lack of critical thinking on his part. Dec 12 06:03:08 dawm: No. Not yet. Dec 12 06:03:24 This is truly fascinating to see an actual case of echolalia autism. Dec 12 06:03:29 heh Dec 12 06:04:37 It's not as rare as one might think, but to see a person attempt to form a thought of their own when they are lower functioning is something to behold. Dec 12 06:04:45 FUCK U NEWBIE Dec 12 06:04:46 reality9110, spanking: Cut it out and stay on topic or I'll ban the both of you. Dec 12 06:04:57 blah blah Dec 12 06:05:02 breaking my heart Dec 12 06:05:05 newbies Dec 12 06:05:14 thx Dec 12 06:05:26 Anybody else want a boot in their ass? Dec 12 06:05:46 good Dec 12 06:05:55 thanks, was getting a bit noisy Dec 12 06:06:15 i knew he didnt 'accidently' come here Dec 12 06:06:53 For future reference: Don't feed the trolls. Because if I see back-and-forth between ANYONE, EVERYONE involved gets kicked and banned. Dec 12 06:07:43 on that note im off to bed :) night all Dec 12 06:07:50 good night dawm Dec 12 06:15:15 I guess #webOS wasn't the only channel with troll problems this evening. Dec 12 06:15:26 Must be the college quarter coming to an end. Dec 12 06:15:39 Yes, students are on their way back home Dec 12 06:15:54 I'm still around campus for another week... Dec 12 06:16:06 I'm a professor. I never leave. Dec 12 06:16:28 Which University? Dec 12 06:18:29 I should take that back. I never leave unless I go on vacation Dec 12 06:18:36 lol Dec 12 06:18:43 Or go on conference Dec 12 06:19:12 Or sabbatical Dec 12 06:19:27 I wish that I could go on sabbatical... Dec 12 06:20:00 Last sabbatical I had was in Germany Dec 12 06:21:36 Too cold for my blood Dec 12 06:21:52 I'd love to go to Germany. Dec 12 06:23:11 What field are you in? Dec 12 06:23:17 Or rather studying? Dec 12 06:23:18 computer science Dec 12 06:23:30 Just computer science? Dec 12 06:23:42 Though, after this quarter, that may no longer be the case... Dec 12 06:24:14 I would definitely study something in addition to computer science Dec 12 06:24:25 I would love to Dec 12 06:24:50 But the College of Engineering at Cal Poly is hard enough with just one area of study... Dec 12 06:25:01 And they aren't making it any easier. Dec 12 06:25:44 Not my area of study Dec 12 06:26:41 I may not be returning to school for winter quarter because they have made things so hard, and set the requirements so high (even the doctor I am seeing jumped back when I told him how many units I am required to take). Dec 12 06:26:51 Of course, bioinformatics is in high demand which is computer related Dec 12 06:28:25 lemketron: They're killing me over here. :( Dec 12 06:28:29 But, it's engineering. You're basically set with the degree Dec 12 07:06:31 anyone awake here? Dec 12 07:08:05 Yup. Dec 12 07:09:14 howdy rbredow Dec 12 07:09:53 Anyone use a great screencasting program for mac? Preferably free. Dec 12 07:11:45 not sure, purhaps starwars.... Dec 12 07:43:10 I heart tortoise svn Dec 12 10:34:38 leonardo: Dec 12 10:34:50 you know a good snog? Dec 12 10:34:53 song? Dec 12 10:35:01 hi LoneStar34 Dec 12 10:35:06 a good song? Dec 12 10:35:09 owdy\yeah Dec 12 10:35:13 howdy Dec 12 10:35:45 one good song, it does not matter what Dec 12 10:36:21 All along the watchtower, the hedrix cover ? Dec 12 10:37:31 bob dylan? Dec 12 10:38:32 that is a good song Dec 12 10:38:40 the original Dec 12 10:39:26 you know, i like both the versions Dec 12 10:40:41 listening ti hendrix now, Dec 12 10:41:02 did you have some palm questions?' Dec 12 10:41:49 well, not at this moment Dec 12 10:42:10 i'm trying to prepare my exams Dec 12 10:42:25 prepare exams for what Dec 12 10:43:24 didn't i tell you that i'm a university student? Dec 12 10:43:32 computer science student Dec 12 10:43:41 no, not really Dec 12 10:44:23 computer science in what? Dec 12 10:44:40 have you heard of oragami? Dec 12 10:45:36 oragami? Dec 12 10:46:27 did you mean origami? Dec 12 10:47:51 yeah Dec 12 10:47:56 origami Dec 12 10:48:31 computer science is like origami Dec 12 10:48:52 why? Dec 12 10:49:43 because it flat and the only thing that makes it better are all the folds Dec 12 10:50:26 b/c computer science is flat... Dec 12 10:51:35 why did you choose the palm forum? Dec 12 10:52:49 curiosity Dec 12 10:53:07 it was an all new device, i'd like to try it Dec 12 10:53:27 same here Dec 12 10:56:30 In a time that the iPhone, Google Andriod, Microsoft Mobile, Symbian: it is a little company like palm Dec 12 10:58:26 leonardo: where you from? Dec 12 10:58:58 italian Dec 12 10:59:33 do you think that american girl was gilty? Dec 12 11:00:42 mh, you talk about Amanda Knox? Dec 12 11:00:50 yeah Dec 12 11:03:09 well, i really don't know Dec 12 11:03:31 why not? Dec 12 11:05:51 Not really sure if it was justice, but then again the italian lad is also in jail Dec 12 11:06:35 can't believe US or italian news Dec 12 11:06:47 honestly, the italian media are always building great stories in a "law and order" style Dec 12 11:07:10 same here Dec 12 11:07:19 like a "fairytale" Dec 12 11:07:19 every 2-3 year we have a new Great Crime and a Great Process Dec 12 11:08:21 media, are story tellers Dec 12 11:08:44 girls with big tits telling the news Dec 12 11:08:51 well, i think not everytime Dec 12 11:09:17 well like 50% of the time Dec 12 11:10:12 i think, in this time, with our government, we really have a greate problem with media Dec 12 11:11:18 both in the US and the world Dec 12 11:12:07 yeah, but in US you have more great private broadcasters Dec 12 11:12:26 here in italy we have 3 great broadcasters Dec 12 11:12:45 the private broadcasters are paid $$ Dec 12 11:12:59 the first is the public service tv, (in)directly controlled by our govern Dec 12 11:13:43 well that sucks Dec 12 11:14:00 the second are the three channels owned by Berlusconi family Dec 12 11:14:35 like mexico, the fuckers that own the telephone, mobile, is carlos slim Dec 12 11:14:42 and the third, which is not controlled by berlusconi, BUT need money from his societies, you know, for advertising Dec 12 11:14:43 inc Dec 12 11:15:13 media just sucks Dec 12 11:17:27 here: ABC (Disney owns) CBS ( Westinghouse) NBC(GE owns) Dec 12 11:18:22 do you all hav the palm pre or pixi in italy? Dec 12 11:19:31 well, honestly the palm hasn't arrived yet in italy :) Dec 12 11:20:10 it will shine soon Dec 12 11:20:28 you like andreas buchelli? Dec 12 11:20:47 bocelli :) Dec 12 11:20:58 yeah Dec 12 11:21:37 not the greatest singer i've heard Dec 12 11:23:38 who is the best italian singer right now? Dec 12 11:26:41 i like a singer whose namesi Giorgia, a great soul voice Dec 12 11:28:07 what do you want to know about webos? Dec 12 12:27:17 hay all Dec 12 12:28:45 does anyone know how I could save Text (e.g. "hello world") into a Hallo.txt -file on my Pre? Dec 12 12:28:51 code i mean.. Dec 12 12:31:27 mytext = "helle world"; -> I want to save mytext int a .txt file Dec 12 12:31:32 possible? Dec 12 12:40:19 need help Dec 12 13:09:13 re Dec 12 13:09:42 can anyone say me how I could save a textstring into a .txt file? Dec 12 13:24:38 morn'n haeffb Dec 12 13:24:52 hi Dec 12 13:25:12 hello Hernlebuh. Dec 12 13:25:18 wut up Bmyers_qwerty? Dec 12 13:25:19 can anyone say me how I could save a textstring (e.g. "hello world" into a .txt file? Dec 12 13:25:26 you cant Dec 12 13:25:46 notta mucho Haeffb. Dec 12 13:25:56 i wont export/save it to a txt file Dec 12 13:26:00 not possibel? Dec 12 13:26:04 *possible Dec 12 13:26:10 i want to also. no it is not.. Dec 12 13:26:24 that's fucking bad Dec 12 13:26:28 Bmyers_qwerty: have you seen TaskAdder? Dec 12 13:26:34 no? Dec 12 13:26:55 waf, why it's not possible Dec 12 13:27:03 It's my app in the catalog & I have a question about the hotlist functionality should work. Dec 12 13:27:11 Let me explain... Dec 12 13:27:27 Hern: there is no api to write files in webos Dec 12 13:27:34 ok Dec 12 13:27:55 no api, I know, but it should work .... Dec 12 13:28:04 haeffb: yeah? Dec 12 13:28:12 TaskAdder gets a list of tasks from http://www.toodledo.com (web-based to-do list app). It's supposed to be the "hotlist", meaning tasks with a priority > X and/or due within Y days. Dec 12 13:28:28 good. Dec 12 13:28:55 Currently, the hotlist is sorted by duedate, then priority - tasks due tomorrow should be higher on the list than tasks with a high priority. Dec 12 13:29:05 oh. you wrote that ? Dec 12 13:29:25 yeah, it was my first app Dec 12 13:29:38 i remember that.. Dec 12 13:30:02 current problem is that tasks due beyond Y days are screwing up my sorting Dec 12 13:30:14 my fist app is also in the catalog Dec 12 13:30:23 ..ok just the trail version Dec 12 13:30:35 good 4 u haeffb Dec 12 13:30:42 i am still trying to finish my first Dec 12 13:31:08 it goes -- Due within Y -- Priority 4 -- Some task beyond Y -- more priority 4 -- otherstuff Dec 12 13:31:55 good morning Dec 12 13:32:40 morn'n Dec 12 13:33:04 Anyway, it's hard to explain. I'm using list dividers to separate out the due within Y, priority 4, priority 3, etc. But the due > Y get a divider value that messes up the list. Dec 12 13:33:50 I'm trying to decide between having a divider that says "due > Y" that would come between "due within Y" and "Priority 4" Dec 12 13:34:14 or just dumping the due > Y tasks into their appropriate priority category. Dec 12 13:34:44 Are tasks with a due date, but way in the future, more important than tasks with no due date but a high priority? Dec 12 13:35:07 And, now that I've written all that down, I'm thinking it should probably be a user preference. Dec 12 13:35:20 that was i was thinking too Dec 12 13:38:36 haeffb: imho, no due date + high priority == the highest shit Dec 12 13:38:59 for me, such tasks are the things that belong to the "should have been done yesterday" Dec 12 13:39:23 agreed Dec 12 13:39:35 I really should just give a bunch of sorting options and let the user figure it out. But that's a pain for me! Dec 12 13:39:44 it is Dec 12 13:40:11 is it possible to save text as ANY format file? Dec 12 13:40:16 It was supposed to just be an app to add tasks. I let users talk me into adding features. Dec 12 13:41:04 frickin' users Dec 12 13:41:16 i hate 'em Dec 12 13:42:00 Hernl: only way to write a file is to download it Dec 12 13:42:18 you 'd have to send it somewhere and then have it echo'd back at you Dec 12 13:42:29 there is no write file api in webos Dec 12 13:42:36 I've tried this, but i could not save the text to send it Dec 12 13:42:59 just load up a var and post it Dec 12 13:43:19 I can do the "due later" very easily. the other will be harder. Dec 12 13:43:36 guess which one the users will get... :) Dec 12 13:43:46 hm. Are you sure it will work? I've tried it ... but it doesnt work Dec 12 13:44:37 it'll work. your prolly have to write both sides of that tho.. Dec 12 13:45:17 With the download manager... first upload a var ant then download as file? I've tried this .. Dec 12 13:46:52 how did u try it? did your write the server side ? Dec 12 13:47:45 how many dl's on your app haeffb? Dec 12 13:48:34 how did u try it? did your write the server side ? @ hernelbuh ?? Is this msg to me..? Dec 12 13:49:18 yes u Dec 12 13:49:21 I dunno. Dec 12 13:49:51 ok Dec 12 13:49:56 pls give me 1 minute Dec 12 13:50:03 toodledo shows 611 unique users. Dec 12 13:50:26 Agenda has 76k dl's on precentral Dec 12 13:50:45 nice Dec 12 13:50:48 but has also had many updates Dec 12 13:51:04 so, who knows how many users Dec 12 13:51:40 can i upload to the devices interneal memory or only into web? Dec 12 13:51:40 this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.downloadmanager/', { Dec 12 13:51:40 method: 'upload', Dec 12 13:51:40 parameters: { Dec 12 13:51:40 'fileName': "Hernebuhuhuh", Dec 12 13:51:40 'url': '/media/internal/files/', Dec 12 13:51:42 'contentType': 'txt', Dec 12 13:51:44 subscribe: true Dec 12 13:51:46 }, Dec 12 13:51:48 ... Dec 12 13:52:10 fileName: Here any TXT liek "Hello world"... any text var Dec 12 13:52:39 you tried to upload it to yourself on the device? Dec 12 13:52:53 hm..y. Dec 12 13:53:03 not possible..? Dec 12 13:53:04 Can you save attachments to email? Dec 12 13:53:26 er, can you save email attachments to device? Dec 12 13:53:42 yes, u download them one way or the other Dec 12 13:54:04 häääää? Dec 12 13:54:10 could an app use the email service, create a .txt attachment, then allow you to save to device? Dec 12 13:54:22 i dont know Dec 12 13:56:13 Ok, if I save the var as a txt-File attachment (email..) - how could i download this attached txt-file? The user should not see the mail app Dec 12 13:57:45 thats the problem. there is no way to write the var to a txt file Dec 12 13:58:12 :-'( Dec 12 13:58:19 not directly, yes Dec 12 13:58:32 i have an app i am developing now. i'd love to be able to create an attachment file Dec 12 13:58:42 but i still search for a way Dec 12 13:58:50 i've looked, asked, googled, queried... it's not there yet.. Dec 12 13:59:20 so it's NOT possible to upload a variable, right? Dec 12 13:59:56 you'd have to send it to a server on the net, then have the server spit it back at you Dec 12 14:00:02 then you could save it Dec 12 14:00:23 do you know how this work? Dec 12 14:00:55 it will Dec 12 14:01:07 it will, ok, but have u the code..? Dec 12 14:01:15 does at work in your app? Dec 12 14:01:21 too much of a pain in the ass 4 me. i didnt bother Dec 12 14:01:34 i just send my data in the email body rather than attachment Dec 12 14:01:42 ok Dec 12 14:01:55 so you havn't the code to upload a var, or? Dec 12 14:02:09 i do not Dec 12 14:02:27 ok Dec 12 14:02:46 well, i dont know how to upload that fuck. Dec 12 14:04:16 what about server login datas? And so on?? Dec 12 14:05:44 huh? Dec 12 14:06:41 Here, my code: Dec 12 14:06:42 -- Dec 12 14:06:44 this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.downloadmanager/', { Dec 12 14:06:44 method: 'upload', Dec 12 14:06:44 parameters: { Dec 12 14:06:44 'fileName': this.controller.get('richtexteditId').innerHTML, Dec 12 14:06:44 'url': 'http://simons-mobile.de/', Dec 12 14:06:46 'contentType': 'txt', Dec 12 14:06:48 subscribe: true Dec 12 14:06:50 }, Dec 12 14:06:52 onSuccess : function (resp){ Dec 12 14:06:54 Mojo.Controller.errorDialog("Success : " + Object.toJSON(resp)); Dec 12 14:06:56 }, Dec 12 14:06:58 onFailure : function (e){ Dec 12 14:07:00 Mojo.Controller.errorDialog("Failure : " + Object.toJSON(resp)); Dec 12 14:07:02 }.bind(this) Dec 12 14:07:04 }); Dec 12 14:07:06 -- Dec 12 14:07:12 it should be upload a file (my text) to www.simons-mobile.de Dec 12 14:07:34 The msg is "SUCCESS" but thers no file on my homepage Dec 12 14:07:49 (btw, thats just my private homepage) Dec 12 14:09:04 and..? Dec 12 14:09:16 Hernlebuh: this might help: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Getting_JSON_From_An_External_MySQL_Database Dec 12 14:10:53 hm i dont think it will help: I've never done somethign with MySQL and my site simons-mobile.de doesnot support MySQL Dec 12 14:12:48 Hernlebuh: i think you have more problems than you might think... Dec 12 14:12:58 Hernlebuh: BTW, I suspect the reason why there is no API to write a file is for security reasons. Imagine if any rogue webOS application that social engineered you into installing it could write to any file it wanted as root in the Linux filesystem ... Dec 12 14:13:18 hm Dec 12 14:13:34 just want to save my text var as txt file Dec 12 14:13:39 and thers no api Dec 12 14:13:52 so i want to upload it and save it as a file Dec 12 14:14:05 Hernlebuh: well, first off... it looks to me as if you were trying to send something to a remote machine Dec 12 14:14:38 secondly, do you have any clue about web applications in general? (not related to webOS in any way) Dec 12 14:14:47 No i try to dev a simple editor. And now want to save the text as .txt-file Dec 12 14:15:00 Hernlebuh: it doesn't work like that... Dec 12 14:15:07 i know Dec 12 14:15:15 bad :-( Dec 12 14:15:55 what the download manager's upload method serves for is basically an HTTP post of the file's contents to a remote URL Dec 12 14:16:14 that remote URL should have something at it which can accept a post request and do something with the file data that's been sent Dec 12 14:16:31 it's not an ftp client, it's not a copy-to-teh-intertubes magic wand Dec 12 14:16:54 ah fucking shit my edior projekt is over. Thers no way to save fucking text. Bad made on webOS!! Dec 12 14:18:52 save the text to depot or sql? Dec 12 14:19:07 does it matter if its a file? Dec 12 14:19:56 yes because the user should be able to use the file (TXT) also on any other device, e.g. a PC Dec 12 14:20:05 * istojic gargles battery acid in order to avoid having to see this idiocy Dec 12 14:20:17 Hernlebuh: look... you are trying to develop a multi-platform, cloud based service Dec 12 14:20:32 how in fuck's sake did you expect to do it by working with webOS only, i have no idea Dec 12 14:20:46 nor how is your editor project idea over, i also don't understand Dec 12 14:20:59 you just need some more technology (on the cloud side) Dec 12 14:21:10 ah. Dec 12 14:21:26 (about 15 lines of PHP would do for now, really) Dec 12 14:21:35 php Dec 12 14:21:38 hm a idea Dec 12 14:21:49 or anything that executes on the server side Dec 12 14:21:49 but i dont know php Dec 12 14:22:07 Java EE (servlets/server pages) ? Dec 12 14:22:10 ruby on rails? Dec 12 14:22:24 weblocks or hunchentoot for common lisp? Dec 12 14:22:40 ANYTHING that's used to make dynamic web sites? Dec 12 14:24:38 there's a reason it's called a web os... Dec 12 14:24:52 how are you? god? Dec 12 14:25:11 I've developed C/C# befor Dec 12 14:25:15 no fucking web Dec 12 14:30:11 write a C socket listener :) Dec 12 14:31:51 i still learn to develop and I'm no professor, so istojic - I dont know all, sorry for that, but I'm here to be better.. Dec 12 14:33:40 i'd say, write the data to sql. you'll end up with a text notebook of sorts. Dec 12 14:33:55 send the data in the body of an email if you want to send it elsewhere Dec 12 14:36:59 Hernlebuh: i find it funny when someone of limited experience comes in and says something like "bad move on webOS." it's your issue you can't do something, not the OS's :-) Dec 12 14:38:35 hm, i miss a API for that- that's bad. Not more. WebOS is a perfect thing. But- yes, I've limited experience. And now, should I burn in hell or what? :-D Come on. Sorry. But really dont know now Dec 12 15:09:50 Reviewers... Dec 12 15:09:55 * reality9110 shakes head Dec 12 15:11:51 Good morning. Dec 12 15:12:03 Hello Dec 12 15:12:15 * istojic waves Dec 12 15:12:40 Wait... 7am, I went to bed at 1am (after being awake for > 24 hours) and I am awake? Dec 12 15:12:42 Miracle. Dec 12 15:13:28 One reviewer writes (paraphrased), "I work in radio. Some streams are low quality. You'd get 5 stars, but come on, clean up the streams." Dec 12 15:13:36 Like we have any control over that! Dec 12 15:13:50 What is the review for? Dec 12 15:13:55 RadioTime Dec 12 15:15:04 Another person writes, "It doesn't work!" Yes, lady. If most every other person is giving it 5 stars, and it doesn't work on your phone...it's your phone. Dec 12 15:15:30 http://twitter.com/shockcitymusic/status/6591747870 Dec 12 15:15:33 well i expect my reviews to drop like a rock Dec 12 15:15:37 To make you a bit more happy. :) Dec 12 15:15:45 since i got emails from like 7 people saying it wont launch anymore Dec 12 15:15:57 this morning Dec 12 15:16:16 dkirker: There's a lot of that in the reviews as well Dec 12 15:16:25 was hoping someone from palm was here to get the fix through review process fast Dec 12 15:16:46 eekfuh2: Probably not on the weekend Dec 12 15:17:29 http://twitter.com/#search?q=radiotime Dec 12 15:17:50 keep an eye out for Chuq. He'll probably be able to help. But not likely until Monday. Dec 12 15:22:43 hoping he hopes on… or Adora Dec 12 15:23:02 i guess i found the first advantage of the android market Dec 12 15:23:20 but also Palm has an advantage over apple… cause i could actually talk to someone there Dec 12 15:37:02 inspector is only showing me the index.html file, thats it. Dec 12 15:37:31 I have that problem sometimes as well. On a mac by chance? Dec 12 15:37:36 nevers seem to work right for me.. Dec 12 15:37:36 XP Dec 12 15:38:30 can be quite frustrating. Sometimes (inexplicably) it seems to work for my first scene. Dec 12 15:40:04 eekfuh2 you can also push malware directly into the android market Dec 12 15:40:22 And that's a bad thing? Dec 12 15:40:47 ctladvance understood Dec 12 15:40:49 for the majority of android users yes Dec 12 15:40:52 Not everybody is meant to use a smartphone Dec 12 15:40:56 lol Dec 12 15:41:33 I get a kick out of this arguement that you and several others have that devs should just be able to push their own software and the users can figure it out Dec 12 15:41:36 but it also allows people like me… who made a merge incorrectly… to correct that quickly Dec 12 15:42:08 to be honest that is just setting up for failure, however I dont think the android system has enough user base to attract much malware yet Dec 12 15:42:11 i merged in the beta branch into a new production one… and the app-assistant came with it… and efffed it up Dec 12 15:42:12 CTLAdvance: If the program is good, the user can figure it out Dec 12 15:42:42 That is just plain ignorance to put everything on an end users Dec 12 15:43:22 I don't push everything onto the end user. But, if somebody doesn't have the intelligence to follow a simple UI layout...well...there's not much you can do about it Dec 12 15:44:14 I am not talking about a ui layout, I am talking about someone pushing an app into the market that takes your information and then the developers steal your identity or something along the lines Dec 12 15:44:22 no one would know until its too late Dec 12 15:44:31 thats where the review process comes in handy Dec 12 15:44:46 The review process with Palm wouldn't detect that. Dec 12 15:45:11 I think if you were asking for dob, ssn, etc it would Dec 12 15:45:38 SSN I could see. DOB, little less obvious Dec 12 15:45:58 If the developer is not smart enough to test their app before they give it to the public, then they shouldnt develop Dec 12 15:46:09 thats basically your arguement spun onto the devs Dec 12 15:46:47 What I'm saying is that it's perfectly possible to get personal information from a person and get it passed through the palm review process. Dec 12 15:47:03 Names, numbers, addresses, etc. Dec 12 15:47:12 I agree Dec 12 15:47:43 But then the issue is on palms end as to why they arent following up with where the info is going Dec 12 15:47:44 Birthday as well Dec 12 15:48:34 I think they are just pushing them through now with little testing, they seemed more strict before, however they should be thuroughly testing any paid app that hits the catalog Dec 12 15:48:54 I'd be more worried about the free ones Dec 12 15:48:59 Larger user base Dec 12 15:49:06 or any app that hits the catalog Dec 12 15:54:41 * FoxFireX is gonna go run updates. Back soonish. Dec 12 15:58:18 the identification requirements for getting an app in the palm app catalog will stop just about all malware Dec 12 15:58:45 (not all, but just about all) Dec 12 15:59:01 Identification requirements? Dec 12 15:59:42 email address and paypal account - won't stop everyone of course, but it's better than anonymous Dec 12 16:00:06 and in most cases, email traffic with a real person handler Dec 12 16:00:41 of course the other way of looking at that is that it will be only the most insidious malware that gets through ;-0 Dec 12 16:00:59 I don't know if I have any paypal account registered with Palm for a free app Dec 12 16:01:34 yeah, scratch the paypal - I guess you don't need it for free. Dec 12 16:06:40 I have a feeling that WebOS will quickly surpass android for the number of apps in the market Dec 12 16:06:48 Not a chance Dec 12 16:07:22 With around 50 new android devices coming out in 2010...it's going to be a hot development platform Dec 12 16:08:09 Well we will see who is right, only time will tell Dec 12 16:08:16 is there something about inspector and multistage apps? Dec 12 16:08:51 And then there's quality of apps Dec 12 16:09:40 prolly be a bunch of twittering fart apps Dec 12 16:09:43 You can have 100,000 apps, but if they're all like the flood of sports team apps that came in yesterday, then keep them Dec 12 16:10:28 I said we may surpass the number on android, I didnt say anything about quality apps :D Dec 12 16:10:43 The return process on android keeps a lot of developers away Dec 12 16:10:54 esp for the sports apps etc that came through this week Dec 12 16:12:03 or farting twitter apps.. Dec 12 16:12:24 Yeah... except we are working one that now Dec 12 16:12:27 jk Dec 12 16:12:30 does android have an accellorometer? Dec 12 16:12:45 Some phones probably do Dec 12 16:12:46 Android does not, the devices may Dec 12 16:13:13 I think that roids does Dec 12 16:13:13 HTC Hero does Dec 12 16:13:13 could use that to measure the fart velocity Dec 12 16:13:39 ah good point bmyers, well add that into the next just farts for webos update Dec 12 16:14:59 is 'roid js also? Dec 12 16:15:11 or do you get a real compiler? Dec 12 16:15:15 java Dec 12 16:15:17 no roids is java based Dec 12 16:15:22 yeah what real said Dec 12 16:15:54 i know as much java as i do brain surgery Dec 12 16:16:54 Java is alright, however it takes a lot longer to write the same code as one would write for webos in 5 minutes Dec 12 16:17:03 even 30 seconds if your in ares but we cant talk about that Dec 12 16:17:16 Except for things like actual sockets Dec 12 16:17:21 right Dec 12 16:17:25 or maybe writing a file Dec 12 16:17:32 :) yeah you got me their Dec 12 16:17:40 we dont have deep level access yet Dec 12 16:18:23 inspector still only sees my index.html, even on another xp machine.. Dec 12 16:19:02 bmyers I never got inspector to work right Dec 12 16:19:10 I think your fighting a losing battle Dec 12 16:19:21 ubuntu? Dec 12 16:19:41 i dont have the cashola to buy a mac Dec 12 16:20:10 I've had inspector working, but as soon as I had to move to a noWindow app, it ceased to be useful. Dec 12 16:20:41 well, i am trying to peek in on a nultistage app Dec 12 16:20:49 s/n/m Dec 12 16:20:52 That's probably the problem, unfortunately. Dec 12 16:21:10 nice Dec 12 16:21:25 s/nice/shitty Dec 12 16:21:39 Quite a typo there. Dec 12 16:22:00 well i mean really! Dec 12 16:22:07 I don't disagree, don't get me wrong. Dec 12 16:22:13 f'n radio button wont play nice and i cant tell why Dec 12 16:24:07 * FoxFireX ponders managing two small SQL tables as one logical table from code. "Complicates the DB code, simplifies the app side... Guess I could make an extra layer between." Dec 12 16:32:39 bmyers, unfortunately not on ubuntu Dec 12 16:45:13 * FoxFireX is riding the fine line between being motivated to code by listening to IIDX songs, and being motivated to actually go play the damn game. Dec 12 16:49:03 * CTLAdvance is still coding because mw2 hasnt been delivered yet Dec 12 16:54:56 * FoxFireX has been informed he could clearly code better with a Siamese cat in his lap. Who knew? Dec 12 16:57:53 hi Dec 12 17:01:48 Cheer. Dec 12 17:01:50 +s Dec 12 17:02:51 slainte! Dec 12 17:14:14 Did someone mention a tool recently for extracting from ipk's? Dec 12 17:15:05 Wow, that was really fast. I submitted to the app store Thursday night (around midnight) and I'm already live. Dec 12 17:15:15 If anyone from Palm is on here, thanks! Dec 12 17:16:29 what app? Dec 12 17:16:34 name? Dec 12 17:17:41 Paratrooper. Dec 12 17:17:50 really? Dec 12 17:17:56 nice job eh Dec 12 17:18:30 I'm impressed with Palm. Dec 12 17:19:18 is it also aviable in the german catalog? Dec 12 17:19:37 Unfortunately, the app is a payed app so I don't think it's available anywhere but the US. Dec 12 17:19:44 Happy to give you a copy if you want to play. Dec 12 17:20:11 Here's what the game looks like if you can't see it in the store: http://www.185vfx.com/webos/paratrooper/ Dec 12 17:20:28 :-( i find you app NOT in the german catalog, you could seend a trial version to the german thats no prob Dec 12 17:21:07 That's a great idea. I'll have to make a free version for worldwide distribution. Dec 12 17:21:10 could you send me the ipk file? Trail of course Dec 12 17:21:11 Was looking at that last night. Trying to decide on getting or not. :) Dec 12 17:21:13 right Dec 12 17:21:31 He- because if give you the grat idea i wont the full^^ :-D Dec 12 17:21:40 :-P Dec 12 17:21:43 people do like free versions Dec 12 17:21:50 i'm planning on a lite version Dec 12 17:21:55 * FoxFireX found the extract commands; didn't realize ipk was a standard archive file. Dec 12 17:21:59 of my app… i might charge $.99 for it Dec 12 17:24:03 rbredow: was that your first app? Dec 12 17:24:30 I had written a couple of simple ones (Altimeter & Attitude Indicator). This was my first more complicated one. Dec 12 17:25:15 cause I submitted an app like 3 weeks ago, but no word of anything Dec 12 17:26:27 are your simple ones already in the app store? Dec 12 17:26:32 That's surprising. Dec 12 17:26:53 Yes. Those have been in the store for about a month. They took about 2 weeks to review. Dec 12 17:26:54 rbredow Dec 12 17:27:07 do you use canvas or transforms for your game? Dec 12 17:27:10 LoneStar34: Did you apply for and were granted early developer access? Dec 12 17:27:34 That's canvas. There are some divs mixed in there for the scores and stuff, but it's 99% canvas. Dec 12 17:27:48 i applied, but have not heard back, i have access to early SDK, but that is about it Dec 12 17:28:00 saweet, thats what we are using but a few people have made their games from transforms so wasnt sure Dec 12 17:28:26 I did a lot of testing. Canvas is a lot faster. Even still there are a few caveats. Dec 12 17:28:41 reality9110: can't get 810whb in RadioTime. It shows it on the web, but not in your app. Dec 12 17:29:05 It turns out just popping the matrix for lots of sprites can slow things down. So, I transform and untransform things manually where I can (for simple moves). Dec 12 17:29:12 haeffb: then tell 810whb to stream in a format that WebOS supports. Dec 12 17:29:35 I'll give them a call. They only stream in WMA. Dec 12 17:29:58 Yeah, tell them http:// (no mms:// because those don't work either) mp3 or aac Dec 12 17:30:12 does iphone do wma? Dec 12 17:30:17 Yes Dec 12 17:30:38 crap. they probably have no incentive to make a change then. Dec 12 17:30:40 Pre could if it had the correct gstreamer codec Dec 12 17:31:13 They can multicast Dec 12 17:31:27 sure, they can. but why would they? Dec 12 17:32:11 They can switch to mp3 or aac both of which are supported on the Iphone. And considering that the majority of iphone radio apps are already run by Radiotime, it wouldn't affect them at all. Dec 12 17:35:23 anyone what the latest version of my urloid app? Dec 12 17:35:27 they use liquid compass Dec 12 17:36:03 haeffb: Liquid compass can easily change a stream to mp3. Dec 12 17:36:37 And multicast as well Dec 12 17:39:17 ok, used liquid compass website to enter a comment. Waiting to see if they respond. Dec 12 17:40:15 They should. A lot of our streams are already lc Dec 12 17:41:06 also left a message for the radio station. Dec 12 17:42:00 If they ask you why again, tell them many android devices don't support wma either Dec 12 17:42:14 auto-reply from LC Dec 12 17:48:29 How's everyone today? Dec 12 17:48:49 Roy-Pre101: pretty good, how about you? Dec 12 17:48:51 I just got my Word Ace cards. yay! Dec 12 17:49:05 cool, I was thinking about getting some Dec 12 17:49:17 I think there are only a few left from the first numbered run. Dec 12 17:49:24 yeah, I waited too long Dec 12 17:49:41 Yule Log is getting mixed reviews....two 1s and two 5s Dec 12 17:49:55 48 unique devices Dec 12 17:51:25 Howdy Roy-Pre101 Dec 12 17:51:43 Howdy sugardave Dec 12 17:51:54 Hallo everyone Dec 12 17:52:25 hi lonelygirl15 Dec 12 18:26:07 Anyone tested foreign key relations and cascade update/delete with the webOS SQLite implementation? Dec 12 18:39:07 FoxFireX: I don't think it works, but I haven't tried it (nor do I know how to implement it) Dec 12 18:39:10 how's that? Dec 12 18:39:23 Remember reading somewhere it doesn't work? Dec 12 18:39:27 yeah Dec 12 18:39:31 Unfortunate. Dec 12 18:39:48 have to manage it yourself, I started writing wrappers for something like that Dec 12 18:40:03 but haven't gotten further than a db object that maintains schema properties Dec 12 18:40:18 Yeah, I've got a few things I could use, and have already done so, but I'd love to offload that if possible. Dec 12 18:42:50 damn, everybody give up...MSN Money said Palm is dead Dec 12 18:42:54 Meh, guess nothing but to try it. May pull this into a test project though. Dec 12 18:43:46 Yeah, because MSN doesn't have any motivation to prefer one mobile platform over another. Dec 12 18:46:27 Not before RadioTime makes $500k Dec 12 18:46:30 Hmm... Don't suppose I could test this on the command line... Dec 12 18:47:03 FoxFireX: should be able to Dec 12 18:47:10 reality9110: you have until 2020 Dec 12 18:47:11 anyone talking currently? Dec 12 18:47:14 Just gotta find my DB file again. :) Dec 12 18:47:15 according to the seers Dec 12 18:47:21 oic yes Dec 12 18:47:33 sugardave: Just wait until I get Advertising.com as an ad company Dec 12 18:47:39 hehe Dec 12 18:48:07 so how does palm feel about the webos internals and homebrew stuff? Dec 12 18:49:06 they love it Dec 12 18:49:32 really or that sarcasim Dec 12 18:49:58 really Dec 12 18:50:18 its rare that official orgs embrase the homebrew scene Dec 12 18:50:58 that's awesome to hear. getting ready to roll my first app today Dec 12 18:51:07 cool, what is it? Dec 12 18:51:08 Well, took the table definition. Now to see if it does anything useful. Dec 12 18:51:31 FoxFireX: if you get it working, mind sharing the basics of how to set up things like that? Dec 12 18:51:41 hi Templarian Dec 12 18:51:43 Let's see if it works first. :) Dec 12 18:51:49 of course :D Dec 12 18:52:09 Not completely promising yet. Allowed me to enter something invalid. Be okay if cascade works, though. Dec 12 18:52:30 Nope. Dec 12 18:52:49 iv got a list of about 20 I want to do. I'll pick something simple probably like the lightsabre app, or maybe the "use pre as multitouch input for pc app" Dec 12 18:53:15 FoxFireX: bummer Dec 12 18:55:56 Hmm.... Wonder if it supports triggers.... Dec 12 18:57:09 FoxFireX: I think that's a "no," too Dec 12 18:57:15 Still gonna try. :) Dec 12 18:57:18 but, again, I don't know how to make them, so not sure Dec 12 18:57:40 my sql is limited to, make tables, insert and read data Dec 12 18:57:52 any suggestions for starting? I was looking at phone gap but I'm not sure if its wrapped the entire api yet Dec 12 18:58:23 Oooooo, success! Dec 12 18:58:52 prototypic: I use Komodo Edit and Templarian's webOS extension Dec 12 18:58:55 also is there a way to get access to the webos ide iv readaboot? Dec 12 18:58:57 others use Eclipse Dec 12 18:59:10 prototypic: yeah, it's at developer.palm.com Dec 12 18:59:21 oh, wait, thta's the sdk Dec 12 18:59:24 what IDE? Dec 12 18:59:29 if I can't get the official ide I'll prob use aptana Dec 12 18:59:53 If you're talking about the drag&drop IDE (Ares), I believe they're doing some sort of limited alpha/beta testing of it. Invitation only. Dec 12 18:59:55 ares Dec 12 18:59:57 There's a post about it in the forums. Dec 12 19:00:35 k, eclipse it is then. Dec 12 19:00:36 ares is in alpha, stiil, I believe Dec 12 19:00:59 Not much else I could tell you, even if I knew. (I'm sure anyone who's involved in that is under a pretty sturdy NDA.) (Not that that's stopped some folks.) Dec 12 19:01:15 eclipse seems large and unwieldy....Komodo Edit works well Dec 12 19:01:59 prototypic: May as well go find the post and email Chuq to ask to be included. They've got a list, I think, and are adding people as they scale the system up. Dec 12 19:02:04 prototypic: you might like Komodo more, most have switched to it. Dec 12 19:02:47 iv been using aptana for a fee months and like for js/web dev, I'll give komodo a shot, thx Dec 12 19:03:49 * FoxFireX remembers he's downloaded Komodo, but never got going with it. "Any migration suggestions from Aptana/Eclipse?" Dec 12 19:05:25 FoxFireX: it says on the download page how to convert projects. Dec 12 19:06:30 FoxFireX: not having looked at any of the Eclipse stuff, it's usually just a question of making a new webOS project in Komodo, then copying your app dir sources to the new location Dec 12 19:06:41 but I'm sure Templarian has it documented better ;) Dec 12 19:06:46 you guys use any of the 3rd party js stuff like jqtouch or phonegap? or you guys strickly mojo sdk? Dec 12 19:06:59 I've only used Mojo SDK so far Dec 12 19:07:07 a lot of people like to use jQuery Dec 12 19:07:07 Oh, ActiveState, those are the Windows Perl guys, right? Dec 12 19:07:17 yeah Dec 12 19:07:51 the only thing I complain about Komodo Edit is that leaving it running for days on my laptop REALLY slows down my system Dec 12 19:07:57 that might be a Windows thing, though Dec 12 19:08:40 * Templarian doesn't even use Mojo and prefers his own framework. Dec 12 19:08:50 iv got a secret weapon myself. http://rssbus.com/connectors/ Dec 12 19:08:51 ~lart Templarian Dec 12 19:09:02 * sugardave sighs. Dec 12 19:09:05 No infobot to save you now. Dec 12 19:09:26 did you submit WoW Armory to Palm? Dec 12 19:10:06 sugardave: nah, I've got to many final exams next week no time to work on webOS stuff. The only thing I did was make sure the preware.org site was up and running. Dec 12 19:11:01 templarian: you are preware? Dec 12 19:12:12 Just posted this demo video of Paratroopers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmHm4oP8vg0 Dec 12 19:12:21 The first reviews are in of my game and they are great! Super excited. Dec 12 19:12:21 Oh, that's right. Komodo Edit didn't have much in the way of native SVN support. Had to buy the IDE version for that. Dec 12 19:13:00 how does palm treat you guys/ this community? Dec 12 19:13:04 Yea, I use tortoiseSVN so I don't really notice it (and I have the IDE at work). Dec 12 19:13:11 rbredow: awesome Dec 12 19:13:28 nm wrong chan Dec 12 19:13:30 rbredow: I've got 2 5-stars and 2 1-stars for Yule Log...meh Dec 12 19:13:56 prototypic: They couldn't treat us better I don't think. Mon-Fri there are a few in this channel. Dec 12 19:14:00 but, I hit the magic break-even if I had to pay to put it up there, so I've got that going for me Dec 12 19:14:22 sugardave: My altimeter app had that issue at first...mostly users who were trying to use it inside (it's a GPS app). Can be frustrating...but I added some in app help and that seemed to help a bit. Dec 12 19:14:50 rbredow: my complaints are "You'd think the graphics would be flawless" and "It sounds like rice krispies" Dec 12 19:14:54 help won't fix that ;) Dec 12 19:15:01 prototypic: I've had great experiences too. You can write directly to Chuq and get a response if you need one. The forums are great too. Dec 12 19:15:12 sugardave: Right. Some people are just lame! Dec 12 19:15:14 I deved for xbmc and with the xvid group a few years ago. microsoft hated those projects and made our life hell. Dec 12 19:16:08 rbredow: looks cool! I'm downloading it right now Dec 12 19:17:33 Hey, thanks! Dec 12 19:18:42 catalystmediastu: what looks cool? Dec 12 19:18:52 did I read that right? you have to pay to list apps for sale? Dec 12 19:19:09 prototypic: $5 for early developers Dec 12 19:19:41 bryanroth: His game called paratrooper. Very cool. The animations are very smooth and I love the design Dec 12 19:19:52 oh just that ok. I'd better hustle and get an app built Dec 12 19:19:57 prototypic: after it comes out of beta, $200 to register as a dev, $50 per app submission Dec 12 19:19:58 rbredow: How did you get everything running so smooth? Do you just use webkit-animations Dec 12 19:20:03 catalystmediastu: nice, I saw that and it looked pretty cool Dec 12 19:20:46 catalystmediastu: No, I use mostly canvas. I spent about 20 hours optimizing though to keep the frame rate up as high as it is. It averages about 22 FPS for me now. Dec 12 19:21:01 I should document some of it for future reference. Found a couple of useful tricks. Dec 12 19:21:22 rbredow: Yeah it looks very smooth. I'm not doing any games, but it looks great. Congrats. When did you put it up? Dec 12 19:21:43 Just got posted early this morning. It's brand new! Dec 12 19:23:22 how long is the app approval process? assuming I follow the rules Dec 12 19:23:27 How fast did it take Palm to review your app and put it up? Dec 12 19:24:18 * FoxFireX boggles slightly at the DB upgrade process he has for the new version. "Thassalotta tables..." Dec 12 19:28:20 FoxFireX: wrappers, gotta love 'em Dec 12 19:28:25 prototypic: it's seemingly random Dec 12 19:28:38 I submitted Yule Log on Thursday, it was in the catalog yesterday Dec 12 19:28:55 What sort of wrappers are you talking about anyway? Auto-table generation given a JS object? Dec 12 19:28:58 catalystmediastu: My experience with Paratroopers was awesome. I submitted very late Thursday night and it's alive today. Dec 12 19:29:32 What is this paratroopers thing? Sounds fun but I doubt it'll run in a PC browser? Dec 12 19:29:32 awesome Dec 12 19:29:37 No way! That is excellent news. I'm trying to get mine done in time for Christmas. That's really good news. BTW the game is fantastic. Easily the best on the phone. By far Dec 12 19:29:44 * FoxFireX caveats the time issue: "Bear in mind the biggest delay most folks have is getting initially into the system. You have to first email an app and get set up with an account. That takes time. Once you're in, the review time is not bad." Dec 12 19:30:30 Getting into the system took me a few weeks. They were changing the system at the time and it took a while to work it all out. Dec 12 19:30:34 rbredow: you ought to make a video of the game if it doesn't run on PC cause I'm curious =) Dec 12 19:30:39 FoxFireX: Can you get into the program before submitting an app? I've been in the early access program for awhile, but haven't paid the $5 fee yet :S Dec 12 19:30:45 zomg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmHm4oP8vg0 Dec 12 19:30:59 nice Dec 12 19:31:03 where's that music from? Soudns familiar Dec 12 19:31:27 damn reading the rules they might not approve a lightsabre app Dec 12 19:31:39 catalystmediastu: You could try emailing the submission contact, and seeing whether they'll let you in that way. Don't have the address handy. What I've read to this point, though, is that you have to submit an app that you want to have published. Dec 12 19:31:58 rbredow: is it using canvas or just HTML elements w/ animated images? Dec 12 19:32:15 world of goooo Dec 12 19:32:19 zomg: Mostly canvas for gameplay. Dec 12 19:32:31 prototypic: World of goo is awesome. :) Dec 12 19:32:35 btw your read more link in the description is broken Dec 12 19:32:39 Hey rbredow: I got a little feedback if you want it. I'm on level 12 or so, but those jump icon things are way fun. It got me thinking..... something that could be fun for paratroopers 2 or something would be to make it so the level is taller than the phone and have it scroll down as the troppers fall or something. Avoiding obstacles on the way down and hitting those booster icons and stuff. Just a thought :p Dec 12 19:33:01 rbredow: interesting stuff, you should make a blogpost detailing how the game engine works. Did you have to tweak it much to get it perform nicely? Dec 12 19:33:07 A very good idea. I'll have to think about it, but that would be awesome. Dec 12 19:33:32 FoxFireX: I'll try contacting the guy at Palm and see what they can do. I really want this beast out by Christmas :p Dec 12 19:34:00 rbredow: I thought so too haha. Great job though. I have a feeling it will do quite well. Dec 12 19:34:01 zomg: I did about 20 hours of optimizing. Mostly that was testing things to see what was faster by trail and error. Dec 12 19:34:34 at least the dev tools for Pre are of the more decent variety Dec 12 19:34:52 I wrote a Sim City clone in JavaScript fro Nokia N95 and it was a major pain in the ass :D Dec 12 19:34:58 As long as you don't need a debugger or inspector. Dec 12 19:35:41 I'd love to port my cannons game (http://codeutopia.net/projects/tankwar) for the Pre but I don't have one yet Dec 12 19:36:37 No joke. The Inspector NEVER works for me :P Dec 12 19:39:10 rbredow: if you do write something about how the game itself works etc., lemme know cause I have a blog and I'm sure my readers would be interested in reading about that Dec 12 19:40:38 me too, especially because most html5 canvas stuff I pull up in my browser doesn't work Dec 12 19:41:13 or do you mean mojo canvas and not html5 canvas Dec 12 19:41:26 I actually tried that cannons game in Opera Mobile and it works there without any modifications Dec 12 19:41:33 I wonder how it would work in the Pre Dec 12 19:41:38 I've recorded some videos along the way of the game. Here's a youtube playlist: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=83B1FD60BF259C8D Dec 12 19:42:06 Love the graphics in the first vid :D Dec 12 19:42:12 The first 3 were html-div based. Step 4 is where I switched to mostly canvas. Dec 12 19:42:19 Yes. Programmer graphics. :) Dec 12 19:42:53 rbredow: What took longer. The code or the design. There are a lot of nice touches in the design of the game Dec 12 19:43:05 Is the background on the canvas as well? Dec 12 19:43:32 Thanks. The final touches took the longest. The basic code of getting something working was pretty fast. Dec 12 19:43:44 But making it all feel slick and not have too many steps took some work. Dec 12 19:44:16 The graphics were all designed by my brother. He's a pro. Dec 12 19:44:59 Yeah the graphics look fantastic and very smooth. You guys did great. If you don't mind me asking how long did it take from start to finish? Dec 12 19:44:59 The background is not on a canvas actually. I had several versions with various BG strategies, but now that I think about I don't think I ever had a full sprite based background version. Dec 12 19:45:00 Graphic design is probably the area I'm most lacking in. I actually drew a comic strip for a few years, but I just can't make myself sit down and pretty things up. Dec 12 19:45:01 I should try that. Dec 12 19:45:21 rbredow are you getting sales already? Dec 12 19:45:55 I think it took about a month or so from idea to completion. I have a day job, so I was working every night on it. Dec 12 19:46:10 I think my part was probably around 100-150 hours. The design work was more like 20 hours. Dec 12 19:46:28 I paid the designer...but I think it's worth it. Dec 12 19:46:45 rbredow: Wow it looks like it took much longer. Dec 12 19:47:06 Yeah the design really took it up a notch. It's half the reason I bought it :p It happens to be quite fun too. Dec 12 19:47:17 One of the reasons I like developing for browsers is that it's pretty quick to get basic stuff working Dec 12 19:47:44 prototypic: I've got about 25 review so I must have some sales. :) Download count hasn’t updated yet. Dec 12 19:47:57 I'm rewriting the cannons game to improve the engine and all and it's basically taken me few days and most of that was experimenting with different algorithms Dec 12 19:47:57 Yeah, download count is borked right now. Dec 12 19:48:21 Here's the website of the designer: http://www.moonlitedesigngroup.com/Welcome.html Dec 12 19:48:50 I'm curious to see how many downloads you get from now to New Years. I think you'll make quite a bit. Dec 12 19:49:06 wow with counts like that if I make a few apps I could quit my day job Dec 12 19:49:29 Looks like some quality work. If I ever do a game, I'll probably contact him. Dec 12 19:49:49 zomg: Cannons is pretty cool. I wouldn't have guessed you could pull that all off in a browser. Dec 12 19:50:01 rebredow: I hope you've got more games in the works as good as this one :) Dec 12 19:50:27 rbredow: I actually have a version of it which has online multiplay which works =) Dec 12 19:50:43 I've got some ideas! I've also built a level editor for this one that I want to polish up and add to the game. Might have to do that first. Dec 12 19:52:32 Our last game isn't yet possible for WebOS but runs on flash and iphone (multiplayer). Dec 12 19:52:37 * sugardave sings "It's the most, stressing-est time of the year." Dec 12 19:53:01 rbredow: That's very cool. The more I play it the more I think it would be so cool to get dropped off near the top, way above the ground, and fall down through a city that is wider/taller than the screen and avoid lots of stuff on the way down. That would be pretty cool if it could be done. Dec 12 19:53:07 It's called guess-a-sketch. http://www.guessasketch.com/ But now that I have a Pre I don't think I'll be done more flash apps. Dec 12 19:53:15 sugardave: I agree! Dec 12 19:53:22 rbredow: flash is coming "soon" Dec 12 19:53:26 so you can do both Dec 12 19:53:28 catalystmediastu: I think that's really a good idea. Could be really good. Dec 12 19:53:39 * sugardave has never used Flash. Dec 12 19:53:47 rbredow: I actually have seen a similar app done purely in JS Dec 12 19:53:49 sd: I wonder if the flash version well perform well. I sort of doubt it. Dec 12 19:54:05 rbredow: depends on if they open the gpu, I guess Dec 12 19:54:10 zomg: I think it's possible, but we can't do smooth multiplayer gameplay without sockets. Dec 12 19:54:23 But flash slows down my dual core mac! :) Dec 12 19:54:24 rbredow: Anyway, I'll stop clogging up the channel :p Congrats on the game. Dec 12 19:54:29 rbredow: hehe Dec 12 19:54:47 rbredow: I didn't play that but is it doing something like showing it live as the other player draws stuff? Dec 12 19:55:03 If so, I think you could achieve a nearly as good result by using Comet Dec 12 19:55:20 Sockets and file I/O are the two things I'd most like to see added right now. Dec 12 19:55:31 Not that I need them at the moment, but that would open up other ideas I've been sitting on. Dec 12 19:55:36 zomg: Yup. We tried a polling http based one and it was too laggy and was very heavy on the server-side. I think Comet would be the way to go if you're stuck on http but we never got that working. Dec 12 19:56:09 rbredow: you should check out cometd, www.cometd.org Dec 12 19:56:40 they provide a ready to go client library as well.. works rather well, used it with the cannons game, although I implemented the server myself as they didn't have a JavaScript version of it Dec 12 19:57:15 zomg: That looks very interesting. It would also help with the firewall problems we currently have with guessasketch.com Dec 12 20:00:16 Hey guys, how do you change how a button reacts to touch? I want it to be pressed as soon as it's touched with no delay (it's on a non-scrollable scene) and it would feel much better if it reacted immediately Dec 12 20:05:39 * FoxFireX ponders a lap-cat simulator for the Pre... "Turn the screen on bright, do lots of heavy computation and network traffic... That should get it pretty warm, then just need to activate the vibration feature to simulate purring, throw some audio and video, perfect!" Dec 12 20:05:52 +1 Dec 12 20:06:15 You could make it a client for folding@home Dec 12 20:06:20 that would probably be computationally heavy =) Dec 12 20:06:57 And I suppose the fact that it would run out of battery quickly would simulate the cat's finickiness. Dec 12 20:17:27 Adora: hello! Dec 12 20:18:49 kesne: heya Dec 12 20:19:23 * Adora looks down at her own cat and wonders if folding@home is what makes her so warm Dec 12 20:20:08 no, it's the evil Dec 12 20:20:16 my cats are full of that stuff Dec 12 20:20:18 * FoxFireX winces at claws in the foot... "Not sure how I can simulate that." Dec 12 20:21:53 lol Dec 12 20:22:08 yaaa i've been defending my christmas tree from my cat all morning Dec 12 20:24:19 we've got 3 of those little buggers....one day they will be dead Dec 12 20:24:22 * sugardave can hardly wait. Dec 12 20:24:30 then we can have tinsel again Dec 12 20:25:53 it's better than the _8_ we used to have Dec 12 20:26:26 That must be hell :p Dec 12 20:26:49 My mom has four and one of them is always picking fights with two of them Dec 12 20:27:26 And it's not unusual to find cat hair everywhere, including food Dec 12 20:28:10 hey gang Dec 12 20:28:22 hopefully someone's around who can point me in the right direction - trying to code.. Dec 12 20:28:38 and the emulator kept running an old version of my app, so i tried to remove it via the command line manually Dec 12 20:28:53 obviously screwed something up, because eclipse now reports that the application was not found when trying to run it Dec 12 20:30:15 and doing a manual palm-install -d tcp seems to succeed but the app doesnt show up on the emu Dec 12 20:33:48 No idea based just on that, sorry. Dec 12 20:34:01 yetdog: you sure your physical phone isn't plugged into usb too? Dec 12 20:34:08 and getting installed there Dec 12 20:34:12 positive. im reinstalling the SDK Dec 12 20:34:14 * pandora-- has had this problem Dec 12 20:34:17 :) Dec 12 20:34:27 figure that's one way to get a fresh emu os Dec 12 20:34:28 :) Dec 12 20:34:40 i didnt do a proper uninstall of my app so...i broke it Dec 12 20:34:44 just make sure you uninstall the image from VirtualBox too Dec 12 20:34:49 for sure :) Dec 12 20:37:16 omg, Heisman talk is going to piss me off today Dec 12 20:49:55 the reinstall worked Dec 12 20:50:21 i wanna change the icon in my palm-page-header-wrapper Dec 12 20:50:42 do i just change the background image for .icon in my css? Dec 12 20:51:23 *crickets* Dec 12 20:52:00 lol Dec 12 20:52:17 because right now it's that darn square with the gear inside it Dec 12 20:53:08 yetdog: I would help, but you see, I suck at the HTML/CSS part Dec 12 20:53:17 *nods* ditto Dec 12 20:54:37 Let me go see what I've done, hang on. Dec 12 20:56:05 Okay, looks like there's a div that's got the class "icon" by default. I added another, making it class="icon newIcon", for example. Dec 12 20:56:24 Then in the CSS file, there's a definition for newIcon, something like: Dec 12 20:56:44 .newIcon { background-image: url(../images/newIcon.png) ! important; } Dec 12 20:57:24 Probably could have avoided the important override by specifying as .icon .newIcon. Dec 12 20:57:52 Actually, .icon.newIcon, maybe. Dunno. Dec 12 20:58:57 can you do classes like that? class1.class2? what does it do? Dec 12 20:59:06 er .class1.class2 Dec 12 20:59:26 that did it FoxFireX Dec 12 20:59:30 Lemme verify, hang on. Dec 12 20:59:47 god i need to learn CSS and quick. i can do quick hacks and whatnot but the inheritance, etc it what im weak on Dec 12 21:00:01 Yep, .class1.class2 selects any element which has BOTH class1 and class2 assigned as classes. Dec 12 21:00:05 No space between them. Dec 12 21:00:55 cool, thanks Dec 12 21:00:59 * sugardave learned something new today. Dec 12 21:01:32 I've also learned that, apparently, the wav file of a crackling fire I used for Yule Log doesn't seem to sound like a crackling fire to anyone Dec 12 21:06:42 Sounds like you need a foley. Dec 12 21:12:46 anyone know when paid apps will be available in canada and other countries? Dec 12 21:13:09 Haven't heard anything official yet, I don't think. Dec 12 21:17:09 just resubmittd both my apps which were both rejected ;) Dec 12 21:17:16 didnt realize we need a help scene Dec 12 21:18:02 did you read the checklist? Dec 12 21:18:13 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1527 Dec 12 21:24:40 anyone get a special present from Palm in the mail today? Dec 12 21:24:52 the email? Dec 12 21:25:00 nope real mail. Dec 12 21:25:29 eekfuh2: hmm, haven't checked my real mail in days Dec 12 21:25:33 I forget I have it Dec 12 21:25:41 my wife and daughter always go Dec 12 21:25:42 you have anything on the Catalog? Dec 12 21:25:49 yes Dec 12 21:25:55 then you might of gotten something neat Dec 12 21:25:57 i di. Dec 12 21:26:00 did. Dec 12 21:26:05 What'd you get, what'd you get? Dec 12 21:26:06 * FoxFireX goes to see if the mail's run today. Dec 12 21:26:49 well, then I will be sure to expect/not expect something :D Dec 12 21:27:35 adora: ping Dec 12 21:27:35 eekfuh2: What's your app? Dec 12 21:27:54 kesne, you get a chance to play the game yet? Dec 12 21:28:03 I made Twee Dec 12 21:28:08 and Feeds Dec 12 21:28:12 and WootOn! Dec 12 21:28:21 Nice work. Dec 12 21:28:22 * FoxFireX got... a replacement debit card from his bank. :P Dec 12 21:28:27 but i'm not going to discuss what I got… but it was awfully nice from Palm Dec 12 21:28:42 is it a sticker? Dec 12 21:28:48 i need a sticker for my hackintosh Dec 12 21:29:24 nah but that would be a good present Dec 12 21:30:46 not as good as this though Dec 12 21:34:00 * rbredow is curious now. Hopes the mail brings a goodie today. Dec 12 21:35:11 eekfuh2: thanks for the heads-up! Dec 12 21:35:18 and THANK YOU, PALM! Dec 12 21:35:18 yup Dec 12 21:35:19 First rule of Secret Palm Presents Club is you don't talk about Secret Palm Presents Club. Dec 12 21:35:32 you don't talk about what the present is Dec 12 21:35:45 cause "they'd" be jealous Dec 12 21:35:53 that's right, it's perfectly acceptable to go "nyah nyah nyah", though :P Dec 12 21:35:59 eekfuh2, sugardave, where are you geographically? Wondering if there's a transit time issue. (May not have gotten anything, but want to keep up hope.) Dec 12 21:36:19 For those of you in the Secret Palm Presents Club, what's your lowest app number? Dec 12 21:36:45 Utah Dec 12 21:36:58 my lowest app number? Dec 12 21:37:11 Utah's close to Sunnyvale, so maybe transit time... Dec 12 21:37:20 My first app (Altimeter) was #300 in the catalog for example. Dec 12 21:37:30 ah, how do you find that out? Dec 12 21:37:40 * FoxFireX 's was probably, like, 20ish? Don't remember. Dec 12 21:37:51 You can click "Share" in the App Store. It provides the URL to your app which has the app number in it. Dec 12 21:37:55 * FoxFireX also is not yet a certified Club Member (R). Dec 12 21:38:00 ah, let's see Dec 12 21:38:33 The URL looks something like this with the number on the end: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.185vfx.altimeter&applicationid=300 Dec 12 21:38:43 262 is Twee Dec 12 21:38:45 Of course, that URL only works on the Palm (so far) Dec 12 21:38:49 278 is TweeFree Dec 12 21:39:04 I have hope that I'll be in the club. Sure hope so! Dec 12 21:39:07 Okay, not 20ish, but 48. Still not bad. Dec 12 21:39:42 then again i am a pretty dang vocal member of the dev program Dec 12 21:39:59 so maybe they are just trying to make me stop complaining about their shortfalls Dec 12 21:40:11 mine is 338 Dec 12 21:40:18 heh im 579 Dec 12 21:41:11 so i want to monitize my free app by putting AdMob ads in it Dec 12 21:41:20 i was even an AdMob beta tester for webos Dec 12 21:41:36 eekfuh2: easy as pie, even without their sdk Dec 12 21:41:36 but do you think users would hate me for putting an ad in the app Dec 12 21:41:52 lol.. some of these users are tards.. thinking since i have a facebook or google icon in my game that its an ad and im sneaking ads into the game.. Dec 12 21:41:56 when they have had it for 2 months without any ads and just plain-ol free Dec 12 21:41:58 eekfuh2: if it's free and they like it, encourage them to purchase an ad-free version Dec 12 21:42:05 i do Dec 12 21:42:09 and i have a good conversion Dec 12 21:42:21 but there are some users that just do not need the extra features of the full version Dec 12 21:42:36 do i try monitizing those users? Dec 12 21:42:39 its just twitter Dec 12 21:42:51 I think most people will understand that you got to pay the bills, but there are always going to be vocal complaints Dec 12 21:44:04 true Dec 12 21:44:13 maybe i'm just selfish Dec 12 21:44:22 cause i do enjoy money Dec 12 21:44:24 Better than being shellfish. Dec 12 21:44:29 lol Dec 12 21:44:42 maybe i'll just keep it ad-free Dec 12 21:44:42 shellphone? Dec 12 21:48:52 who wants to partner up Dec 12 21:48:56 with Delicious Morsel Dec 12 21:49:00 build one partnered up app Dec 12 21:49:25 super app Dec 12 21:50:21 think we could make halo in jscript? :P Dec 12 21:50:28 Guitar Hero? Dec 12 21:50:49 i'm suprised no-one is focused on a flash app Dec 12 21:50:55 a flash game Dec 12 21:50:56 Farmville client Dec 12 21:50:57 Pretar Hero? Dec 12 21:51:02 Pretard Dec 12 21:51:09 once flash hits, theres gonna be alot of flash games/app Dec 12 21:51:22 yeah we should make Hotrod Momma Dec 12 21:52:15 i need food.. pizza sounds good Dec 12 21:52:39 * sugardave will be having porkchops in a little while. Dec 12 21:52:48 just finished pizza.. NY pizza Dec 12 21:52:52 buffallo wings Dec 12 21:52:57 but spelt correctly Dec 12 21:54:19 spelt? Dec 12 21:54:53 maybe spelled Dec 12 21:54:57 maybe not Dec 12 21:55:19 it duhpinds on whar you wuz razed Dec 12 21:55:31 in hick land Dec 12 21:55:40 farmerville utah Dec 12 21:55:57 i'm proud to pronounce Mountain without the 'T' Dec 12 21:56:04 mounAIN Dec 12 21:56:28 that's just like around these here parts Dec 12 21:57:30 which'er Dec 12 21:57:35 ? Dec 12 21:57:45 (which is...) Dec 12 21:58:16 heh, I'm in Austin, TX...but I have kin all over the state, lots of fun country twangs and such Dec 12 21:58:21 * FoxFireX was always a fan of "Jee chet?" Dec 12 21:58:30 nah, that's "jeet" Dec 12 21:58:37 lol Dec 12 21:58:39 jeet yet? Dec 12 21:58:42 naw, jew? Dec 12 21:58:46 so you wanna go to the MicroCenter and pick me up a macbook? Dec 12 21:58:49 Yeah, but the "yet" is a giveaway. :) Dec 12 21:59:28 * FoxFireX fehs, by the way. If Secret Palm Presents have made it to Austin, they should have reached San Antonio. Oh well. Dec 12 21:59:29 are there Macs in Austin? Dec 12 21:59:40 wait austin is far from houston right? Dec 12 21:59:41 dang. Dec 12 21:59:46 Fry's has some Mac stuff. Dec 12 21:59:50 2.5 hours Dec 12 21:59:54 ouch Dec 12 22:00:05 nah MicroCenter has the new Macbook for $999 plus $200 MIR Dec 12 22:00:12 so 20% off after MIR Dec 12 22:00:14 That all? It's like, 3+ from down here. I would have figured it'd be the same from Austin. Dec 12 22:00:23 FoxFireX: our mail is weird...I'm actually just outside city limits...sometimes our stuff gets here REALLY fast Dec 12 22:01:14 FoxFireX: I can go down HWY 71 until I-10 and make it to the far side of Houston in about 2.5 hours...and I don't speed too much, usually 75 in a 70 Dec 12 22:01:38 there are a lot of big cities in texas Dec 12 22:01:40 never knew Dec 12 22:01:51 I guess I can see that. Pick up a decent amount of East by the time we reach Austin. Dec 12 22:02:06 Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, San Antonio, Houston, arguably El Paso. Dec 12 22:02:38 Austin still has less population than all those, but it's getting pretty crowded here in the last 15 years Dec 12 22:02:39 Though it's "big" only because it's nowhere near anything else. At all. Dec 12 22:02:42 I've been here since 1991 Dec 12 22:03:02 Couldn't tell it's less population based on the I-35 traffic. Dec 12 22:03:08 no doubt Dec 12 22:03:40 wikipedias all those cities Dec 12 22:04:04 yeah those are big cities Dec 12 22:04:08 Well, El Paso might have less "official" population than Austin, I'm not sure Dec 12 22:04:41 all of those have a bigger population than the biggest citiy in utah Dec 12 22:04:58 Texas es muy grande Dec 12 22:05:34 probably desert-y Dec 12 22:05:58 i guess utah is too Dec 12 22:05:59 some parts...there is HUGE geographic diversity in the state Dec 12 22:06:02 West Texas is plenty arid, but the east side gets pretty muggy. Dec 12 22:06:34 Did you know that I-10 in west Texas is (to my knowledge) the ONLY Interstate that actually has at-grade crossings? In other words, intersects with another road without having an overpass? Dec 12 22:06:58 wow, that's fun Dec 12 22:09:05 Small, lightly travelled roads (because nobody lives out there), but they needed to stay connected, and it certainly wasn't worth building a bridge for the things. Dec 12 22:14:36 I cannot seem to make 'Preferences' in the app menu be active Dec 12 22:14:57 gimme a sec and i'll send some code for oyu Dec 12 22:15:41 so in the handleCommand of your scene assistant Dec 12 22:15:55 if (event.type == Mojo.Event.commandEnable && (event.command == Mojo.Menu.helpCmd || event.command == Mojo.Menu.prefsCmd)) Dec 12 22:15:55 { Dec 12 22:15:55 event.stopPropagation(); // enable help. now we have to handle it Dec 12 22:15:55 } Dec 12 22:16:12 if (event.type == Mojo.Event.command) Dec 12 22:16:12 { Dec 12 22:16:12 switch (event.command) Dec 12 22:16:12 { Dec 12 22:16:12 case Mojo.Menu.helpCmd: Dec 12 22:16:12 this.controller.stageController.pushScene('support'); Dec 12 22:16:14 break; Dec 12 22:16:16 Dec 12 22:16:18 case Mojo.Menu.prefsCmd: Dec 12 22:16:20 this.controller.stageController.pushScene('preferences'); Dec 12 22:16:22 break; Dec 12 22:16:24 }} Dec 12 22:16:26 so obviously that does both help AND prefs Dec 12 22:16:28 but yes Dec 12 22:16:30 that should do it Dec 12 22:17:42 ah, thanks Dec 12 22:18:36 I think developers should be able to respond to reviewers. Dec 12 22:18:41 yes Dec 12 22:18:46 reality9110: absolutely Dec 12 22:18:54 reality9110: me, too, but I think I'd abuse it Dec 12 22:18:57 some of my reviewers are tards Dec 12 22:19:08 cause they see facebook, twitter, google icons they think im advertising Dec 12 22:19:18 Absolutely retarded. And I don't use that word often. Dec 12 22:19:23 eekfuh2: what about a custom menu item? vs. the standard ones? like to add "cheeseburgers" to the app corner menu? Dec 12 22:19:24 Chime in here: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2901 Dec 12 22:19:55 pandora--: I've got that. Hold a sec. Dec 12 22:20:10 dawm: i've gotten some crap reviews myself, can't help my sales i'm sure. and not even stuff that's my fault Dec 12 22:20:16 rbredow: thanks! Dec 12 22:20:17 pandora--: there's a good example on webos101.com for it, too Dec 12 22:20:49 I was just missing the || ... prefsCmd part Dec 12 22:20:50 Here's the one sugardave is talking about I think: http://webos101.com/Application_Menu Dec 12 22:20:58 rbredow: yep Dec 12 22:22:16 Here's my code that makes a "custom" menu for preferences only. You can make it anything you want: http://webos.pastebin.com/f202b6051 Dec 12 22:23:36 I'm getting knocked down by reviewers because their individual favorite stations aren't there. Dec 12 22:23:38 they rbredow just got around to installing paratrooper, fun!!, but i noticed some minor details Dec 12 22:23:46 Like I can help that Dec 12 22:24:06 and its sorta on topic :P Dec 12 22:24:21 I got a lot of reviews of people who were having trouble downloading it. Curious, that people who hadn't bought my app could give reviews! Palm removed those reviews after a couple of weeks thoug. Dec 12 22:24:55 Also, people don't seem to be having the downloading problem anymore either. Dec 12 22:25:08 It's not like I made them shell out money for it. It's a free damn app! Dec 12 22:26:15 For some reason, I can't even review apps. Dec 12 22:26:47 if you want to review your own app, you have to get it from the catalog...it should let you Dec 12 22:27:23 it will ACT like you can leave a review if you have your dev version on the phone, but it always goes to the yellow triangle Dec 12 22:30:02 Now I no longer have the high scores in my game. I thought level 25 was too hard, but it appears lots of people can destroy my attempt! I wondered if that would happen. Dec 12 22:30:50 sugardave, the phone doesnt know the difference between a dev version or a pirated version Dec 12 22:30:55 sorry the device Dec 12 22:31:01 dawm: but the app catalog does Dec 12 22:31:14 how so Dec 12 22:31:23 I tried to review Mind Master for 5 days Dec 12 22:31:33 it knows you didnt purchase it Dec 12 22:31:42 but you got the game somehow Dec 12 22:31:51 er app Dec 12 22:31:54 right, that's what I mean...just can't review unless you purchased/downloaded it from the catalog Dec 12 22:32:06 yeah Dec 12 22:32:11 thats what im saying Dec 12 22:32:17 we agree :D Dec 12 22:32:27 you have the app, it doesnt know where you got it, but it knows you didnt buy it thru the catalog so you cant leave a review for it in the catalog Dec 12 22:32:57 sugardave: I can't review any app.; Dec 12 22:33:03 lame Dec 12 22:33:06 Downloaded or otherwise. Dec 12 22:38:51 can a toggle bar be more than 2 items? Dec 12 22:39:44 dont think so Dec 12 22:39:53 you might want to do a dropdown list for more than 2 items Dec 12 22:39:55 i really dont like how the radio widget is so huge Dec 12 22:40:34 guess ill have to make a custom one Dec 12 22:42:06 :-) Dec 12 22:42:22 is it possible to use luna-send to simulate device shaking/orientation? Dec 12 22:43:37 i think the new emu can, or so i've heard Dec 12 22:45:20 new emu? Dec 12 22:45:28 next version of the sdk Dec 12 22:45:33 it's smaller than an ostrich Dec 12 22:45:39 LOL Dec 12 22:46:42 sugardave: yes, but is it shorter than one? Dec 12 22:47:22 the new one is Dec 12 22:47:34 I saw some new emus on my way to Florida Dec 12 22:47:40 they were smaller than regular emus Dec 12 22:48:30 freaking Dec 12 22:48:35 ares crashes firefo Dec 12 22:48:36 x Dec 12 22:49:03 *cough*NDA*cough* Dec 12 22:49:23 lol Dec 12 22:49:33 i was talking about the god Dec 12 22:49:36 jeesh Dec 12 22:49:51 Here I thought it was some astrological program or something. Dec 12 22:50:55 "Palm agrees that Developer shall have the ability to discuss the Palm Materials, Developer’s development efforts and Developer’s Application(s) with any third party, including but not limited to blogging, website postings, and public presentations" Dec 12 22:51:38 what's ares? Dec 12 22:51:56 and don't tell me it's a complete replacement for mojo, or i'll be ticked off Dec 12 22:51:57 top secret dev ide Dec 12 22:52:02 ah, that... Dec 12 22:52:07 its not top secret Dec 12 22:52:08 lol Dec 12 22:52:12 :P Dec 12 22:52:28 its a browser app builder Dec 12 22:52:50 it stlil requires the SDK to be installed on your computer for testing Dec 12 22:52:55 make an entire app w/ just your web browser Dec 12 22:53:02 and the sdk installed Dec 12 22:53:10 i believe it uses a javapplet to comminucate with novaterm etc Dec 12 22:53:41 That's it. Reviewers are idiots. Dec 12 22:53:45 Plain and simple Dec 12 22:53:51 yep Dec 12 22:53:53 so when you test it … it uses the emulator locally Dec 12 22:54:04 yeh Dec 12 22:54:15 i just noticed Dec 12 22:54:29 the sdk inspector looks ALOT like google chrome's javascript console Dec 12 22:54:46 ITI S Dec 12 22:54:50 IT IS Dec 12 22:54:51 One star for... "It doesn't have 89.7 FM in dallas which is on the web" Dec 12 22:54:53 read the NDA Dec 12 22:55:03 it talks about … you need to agree to Google's TOS Dec 12 22:55:13 except google's works all the time Dec 12 22:55:28 i lied Dec 12 22:55:44 palm inspector is crap Dec 12 22:55:44 the NDA talks about Google's location stuff Dec 12 22:55:52 and inspector is the Console in Safari Dec 12 22:55:58 webkit console/inspector Dec 12 22:56:05 so its a webkit thing Dec 12 22:56:09 ahh ok Dec 12 22:56:24 i dont use safari on my hackintosh, just chromium Dec 12 22:56:26 Ares has potential Dec 12 22:56:33 it just seems cluttered Dec 12 22:56:40 i just wish Palm had spent fixing the Catalog instead of making Ares Dec 12 22:56:49 UI does need ot be worked on Dec 12 22:57:06 their interaction designers need some more experience with making developer tools… not websites etc Dec 12 22:57:14 dawm: i use FX on my hackintosh and on my mb Dec 12 22:57:54 netbook osx86? Dec 12 22:58:17 i guess Dec 12 22:58:28 its not a special osx tho, so not really osx86 Dec 12 22:58:35 plan ole snow leopard Dec 12 22:58:43 well just saying running OSX on an x86 machine Dec 12 22:58:46 thats not apple Dec 12 22:58:50 yes Dec 12 22:58:52 dell mini9 Dec 12 22:58:56 nice Dec 12 22:59:09 i think we've been over this … but i'm an osx86;r too Dec 12 22:59:17 only thing it doesnt do well is flash video Dec 12 22:59:23 yeah my laptops are apple Dec 12 22:59:24 youtube stutters like crazy Dec 12 22:59:29 desktops are built by hand Dec 12 22:59:36 thats cause of the GMA950 video card Dec 12 22:59:40 not cause its OSX Dec 12 22:59:50 youtube worked fine in ubuntu Dec 12 22:59:57 and divx plays beautifully Dec 12 23:00:07 flash maybe then Dec 12 23:00:21 ihmmm Dec 12 23:00:27 do you have full QE/CI? Dec 12 23:00:39 no idea what that is Dec 12 23:00:48 quartz extreme Dec 12 23:00:56 still no idea Dec 12 23:00:57 you can see it in system profiler Dec 12 23:01:15 under Graphics/Display Dec 12 23:01:21 ill look Dec 12 23:03:29 i dont see anything that says quartz Dec 12 23:06:28 http://media.photobucket.com/image/qe%20ci%20enabled/flashGX/Picture1.jpg Dec 12 23:06:41 do you see how it says "Quartz Extreme: Supportted" Dec 12 23:06:56 your looking for something like that Dec 12 23:07:11 oh dont have that Dec 12 23:07:35 that could be the issue Dec 12 23:07:54 does it say "core image: hardware accelatated?" Dec 12 23:08:00 without the ? Dec 12 23:08:38 dont have a core image Dec 12 23:11:10 searching the dellmini site, it appears in SL it doesnt provide that info, but if i can play chess then qe is working Dec 12 23:11:15 and i can play chess just fine Dec 12 23:11:41 stupid snow leopard lol Dec 12 23:12:06 i have leopard on my hackintosh Dec 12 23:12:08 and SL on my real oens Dec 12 23:13:35 you making iphone apps on your hackintosh? Dec 12 23:14:28 nope Dec 12 23:27:06 actually Dec 12 23:27:12 flash is working in chromium Dec 12 23:27:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw&feature=player_embedded Dec 12 23:27:22 awesome!! Dec 12 23:57:08 wow wirc works great, I fell asleep and I stayed connected. Dec 12 23:57:48 just read about you eleet's and yet gifts :) Dec 13 00:05:11 you know what app I want, autoexec. so I can pick a few apps to run at boot Dec 13 00:06:28 I could possibly see that working. Might not be straight up boot time, but shortly thereafter. Dec 13 00:08:32 homebrew could do it, dunno about official app tho Dec 13 00:08:45 a cron job could load an app at boot Dec 13 00:08:59 er not cron Dec 13 00:09:08 Sure. You can use the launcher service to actually fire off the apps, and set an alarm to periodically run and see if you've recently restarted. Dec 13 00:09:09 but still system level Dec 13 00:09:20 Figuring out if you've just booted is the tricky part, but I bet it could be done. Dec 13 00:09:27 You could make a C service to make calls to add/edit/delete cronjobs, using a mojo front end Dec 13 00:09:49 i forgot about alarms Dec 13 00:10:10 Wouldn't be straight-up boot time, but probably close enough. Dec 13 00:10:36 close enough is what counts Dec 13 00:11:03 I wanted to make an app that let you create events.. like WHEN $thishappens THEN $dothis, with some standards. Like when it connects to home wifi ssid, start ssh Dec 13 00:11:24 or when it connects to a charger, etc Dec 13 00:32:36 hi all! Dec 13 00:33:01 heyhey Dec 13 00:33:10 some of you do dev on macs right? Dec 13 00:33:31 hey pandora Dec 13 00:33:37 i think pre101 does Dec 13 00:33:46 ok Dec 13 00:33:53 just want to make sure there's no problem with that Dec 13 00:34:04 i have the same setup on my desktop as i do on my hackintosh Dec 13 00:34:09 I'm sadly selling this laptop for a macbook :( Dec 13 00:34:14 I'm using a Mac now. Dec 13 00:34:20 Why sad about moving to a Macbook? Dec 13 00:34:22 got to love these error messages: "An error occurred: not an error" Dec 13 00:34:23 sdk+komodo Dec 13 00:34:38 because i like my Acer Ferrari running ubuntu Dec 13 00:34:47 oh yeah that reminds me Dec 13 00:34:48 Then why change? Dec 13 00:34:52 Templarian: ping Dec 13 00:34:53 but, can't do my iphone dev on that Dec 13 00:35:04 i've been stealing my girlfriends macbook for iphone dev Dec 13 00:35:22 it's become impractical. haha Dec 13 00:35:24 If it doesn't have to be portable, you could get a Mac Mini for cheaper. Dec 13 00:36:09 ya, has to be portable Dec 13 00:36:23 it actually just showed up from fedex Dec 13 00:36:26 i haven't opened it yet Dec 13 00:36:27 Oh well. :) Dec 13 00:36:36 what are you waiting for Dec 13 00:36:49 i regret selling my mbp Dec 13 00:36:56 really? Dec 13 00:37:04 maybe it will be a good transition Dec 13 00:37:10 got the new macbook pro 15" Dec 13 00:37:15 I switched to a MBP a couple of years ago, and haven't looked back. Dec 13 00:37:27 * FoxFireX had to go with the 17", needs as much screen as possible. Dec 13 00:37:48 at least the battery will be better than this one, this lappy is about 50 minutes to death Dec 13 00:38:03 my mbp was just an extra laptop i acquired, loved using it but i use my desktop more, and i needed to finish building my engine so selling the mbp helped with that ;p Dec 13 00:38:08 JenP: Heya Dec 13 00:38:21 Someone looking for me? Dec 13 00:38:40 pandora--: Yep, I do. Dec 13 00:38:41 Roy-Pre101: i was just asking who pre devs on mac Dec 13 00:39:01 if anyone see Templarian around let him know ive got a suggestion for his addon Dec 13 00:39:48 Templarian: Dawm has a suggestion for your addon. Dec 13 00:39:57 lol Dec 13 00:40:04 Hey Roy! Dec 13 00:40:27 debt Free is in the featured section of palm app1 Dec 13 00:41:29 hey jenp Dec 13 00:41:39 hey Bmyers! Dec 13 00:41:50 how the heck r u? Dec 13 00:42:03 tired...insane working hours right now Dec 13 00:42:31 christmas hours? Dec 13 00:42:35 but hey i get Sunday off Dec 13 00:42:41 no deadlines Dec 13 00:42:49 congrats on your app Dec 13 00:42:55 Dec = deadlines for military contracts Dec 13 00:44:31 JenP: Gratz! Dec 13 00:44:54 HIYA Dec 13 00:44:55 congrats Jen Dec 13 00:45:09 thanks Doc Dec 13 00:45:19 On which app...I don't know...but congrats Dec 13 00:45:28 debt free... Dec 13 00:45:36 it's in the feature area... Dec 13 00:45:59 ah, yes Dec 13 00:46:45 bah, I gotta get back to writing apps Dec 13 00:49:20 Roy-Pre101: what are you writing now? :P Dec 13 00:49:36 I'm working on a game. Dec 13 00:49:51 I haven't written a line of code for it in a month or more. Dec 13 00:50:00 iz it the sekrats? Dec 13 00:50:14 s/the/teh/ Dec 13 00:50:36 It's called paper airplanes. Dec 13 00:50:47 OH LIEK THE IFONE ONE?!?!?! Dec 13 00:51:00 Haven't seen the iphone one. Dec 13 00:51:21 there like a fan and you push the paper airplane with a certain amount of force trying to get it to land in the garbage pale Dec 13 00:51:25 Plus I need to push another update for Match 'Em so it pops up Dec 13 00:51:34 zsoc: Basically. Dec 13 00:51:44 pail Dec 13 00:52:28 * zsoc 's pale failed Dec 13 00:52:43 No, like garbage which doesn't have much colour to it Dec 13 00:52:49 LOL Dec 13 00:52:52 i knew this didnt look right Dec 13 00:52:56 Congradulations .. Dec 13 00:53:23 lol that's the best Dec 13 00:53:26 with a 'd' :> Dec 13 00:53:36 good thing im still testing before i submit this update :P Dec 13 00:53:53 dawm: Have you sent me a copy to try yet? Dec 13 00:54:15 whats yer email, ill shoot one over Dec 13 00:56:06 pre101@pre101.com Dec 13 00:56:25 just ask rbredow, I'm a great beta tester. :) Dec 13 01:00:12 dawm|mini: you had a suggestion? Dec 13 01:00:16 yeah Dec 13 01:00:41 can you make the addon strip whitespace and comments before it builds a release package? Dec 13 01:00:47 would help trim some bits Dec 13 01:01:01 That has been suggested before. Dec 13 01:01:45 rats ;p Dec 13 01:02:31 It wouldn't be too hard to code, it was just more of a time issue. Dec 13 01:02:41 ahh Dec 13 01:17:03 Man...the station that guy was complaining about isn't even a good station Dec 13 01:17:09 lol Dec 13 01:17:26 It's "Power Ballad Christian Rock" Dec 13 01:17:47 Looked at the idea of having an autoexec type app, but to make it userfriendly, it has to use an API Palm is keeping internal right now. Bummer. Dec 13 01:17:54 yeh Dec 13 01:17:56 youd need to know the apps Dec 13 01:18:51 Well, you don't *have* to. Dec 13 01:18:57 You could make users key in the ID. Dec 13 01:19:07 they'd have to know the id Dec 13 01:19:07 That's the whole "userfriendly" part. :) Dec 13 01:19:27 homebrew ;p Dec 13 01:19:50 Could, not that motivated. Dec 13 01:22:14 zsoc: for autoexec, you could have the app put stuff in a database, and have the daemon read the database on boot and call luna-send to launch the apps. Dec 13 01:22:43 then you don't need a long-lived service running all the time Dec 13 01:23:10 true that Dec 13 01:23:27 The only thing you need is access to listLaunchPoints. Set up an alarm to relaunch the app (headless) every minute or so, and if it hasn't run in the last, say, three minutes, must've restarted, so relaunch the apps. Dec 13 01:23:27 I wasn't being _terribly_ serious. Although if I could make a list of what I thought would be useful triggers and events, I may go for it Dec 13 01:23:54 i'm backporting faac at the moment unless you have a contact at palm that I can give the 3 lines of code they need to fix their garbage audio encoder D: Dec 13 01:23:56 Apart from that one service request, it's completely doable through Mojo. Dec 13 01:24:11 rwhitby: that was to you btw :P Dec 13 01:25:11 zsoc: send it to the open source address - maybe it will get to the right person .. Dec 13 01:26:51 rwhitby: eh, i'm sure they could forward it to engineering. It's just frustrating. I'm sure the only reason they wouldn't release it is because it has DSP access controls in it. Although honestly _those_ docs are released by TI, the bridging stuff isn't a secret... and it seems palm uses at least a semi-standard kernel build for omap dsp stuff Dec 13 01:46:35 Is anyone here? Dec 13 01:47:09 I am but I'm a noob. Dec 13 01:48:14 TheGamerAccess: it seems there are 110 people here Dec 13 01:48:14 the question should be anyone not afk Dec 13 01:48:22 dawm: thank you, lol Dec 13 01:48:35 lol Dec 13 01:48:49 Does anyone here know how to delete the backup data on the Palm Profile to start fresh? I tried turning off backup and telling it to delete backup data but the apps are still restoring. Any help is appreicated. Dec 13 01:50:34 TheGamerAccess: ... if the only problem you have is the apps.. uninstall them? Dec 13 01:52:12 I want to completely start from scratch with no files left over and i dont want google synced anymore Dec 13 01:53:05 I have done it before by turning backup off and then shutting phone down but it is now not working Dec 13 01:56:46 whats the new devmode code? Dec 13 01:56:51 i thought it was webos06062009 Dec 13 01:56:57 other way Dec 13 01:57:02 20090606 Dec 13 01:57:02 oh yah Dec 13 01:57:04 international date method Dec 13 01:57:08 you silly american ;) Dec 13 01:57:36 bonus points if you can tell me which 06 is the month and which is the day ;) Dec 13 02:00:11 usually, in reverse date notation the month is in the middle. Dec 13 02:01:04 yeah Dec 13 02:01:35 makes it easier to sort that way Dec 13 02:15:12 is web browser supposed to work in the emu? Dec 13 02:17:42 yes Dec 13 02:17:57 and how can I do gestures in the emu Dec 13 02:18:09 esc is back Dec 13 02:18:18 all others in the screen with the mouse Dec 13 02:18:21 thx Dec 13 02:18:57 * sugardave wonders how you pinch-zoom. Dec 13 02:20:06 dang browser doesn't work. I don't need it tho I guess Dec 13 02:22:12 I just noticed there a report a bug to palm in the app store Dec 13 02:22:28 hahhaha Dec 13 02:22:33 is it free? Dec 13 02:22:45 no its a menu item Dec 13 02:22:51 on each app Dec 13 02:23:10 wonder how we get that message Dec 13 02:23:23 I'd like to know about bugs heh Dec 13 02:24:24 ah Dec 13 02:26:58 dawm what's your app? Dec 13 02:27:02 swap & drop Dec 13 02:27:41 nice my daughter likes that one Dec 13 02:30:23 dawm Dec 13 02:30:24 hai Dec 13 02:30:55 heyo Dec 13 02:32:18 it's a kesne Dec 13 02:32:58 Yep Dec 13 02:32:59 it is Dec 13 02:36:10 ..gpu access and webgl pls. Thank you. Dec 13 02:36:21 and websockets Dec 13 02:36:32 for christmas Dec 13 02:39:01 It'd be a very merry Christmas. Dec 13 02:39:37 I don't think I've been that lucky on Christmas since I got my first NES in 1985. Dec 13 02:52:00 Does anyone know if webkit-mask-image is supported in applications? My testing suggests no, but its not specifically mentioned in the book or docs as being unsupported. Dec 13 02:54:10 Another thing: Is the HTML5 div attribute "contenteditable" supported? The RichText widget is well not 'rich' enough. I'd like to roll my own WYSIWYG editor for an app, but I think it would depend on contenteditable being supported. Dec 13 02:57:14 lol Dec 13 02:57:21 someone just told me i should have a dancing banana's theme in my game.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 13 02:59:57 2009