**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 14 02:59:56 2009 Dec 14 03:10:37 atlanta what is it? Dec 14 03:28:26 Rick-work: its Dec 14 03:28:31 Rick-work: a twitpic app Dec 14 03:28:46 ah no thank you then Dec 14 03:29:01 gosh Dec 14 03:29:01 lol Dec 14 03:29:51 istojic_: you there Dec 14 03:36:28 anybody use this admob open source code Dec 14 03:36:28 ? Dec 14 03:38:45 is it not working 4 u atlanta? Dec 14 03:41:01 its random Dec 14 03:41:06 it only works sometimes Dec 14 03:41:19 its selective Dec 14 03:41:20 I use Admob open source Dec 14 03:45:44 reality9110: is it selective for u Dec 14 03:45:44 ? Dec 14 03:46:01 Define selective Dec 14 03:51:41 ugh Mojo.Drag is aggrivating Dec 14 03:54:13 such a drag :( Dec 14 03:54:39 reality9110: like some time it doesnt populate the div Dec 14 03:54:53 The majority of the time an ad is not available. Dec 14 03:55:33 oh is that what it is Dec 14 03:55:47 Check your fill rate. Dec 14 03:55:57 It's been incredibly low Dec 14 03:56:36 yeae it is Dec 14 03:56:39 that means u get no ads Dec 14 03:56:39 ? Dec 14 03:57:07 Right Dec 14 03:57:21 so how do u get it to show ads again Dec 14 03:57:25 get more people using it Dec 14 03:57:25 ? Dec 14 03:57:35 It's a rough time for ads. Dec 14 03:57:45 oh ok i see because i changed the ip on my phone Dec 14 03:57:47 I've got a lot of users, and I've got a 1% fill rate. Dec 14 03:57:48 and it showed the apps Dec 14 03:57:54 ads Dec 14 04:00:46 jenp: Dec 14 04:00:56 hey haeffb Dec 14 04:01:16 I will say her butt looks good. Don't know if it's the shoes, though. Dec 14 04:01:42 lol ask her for me Dec 14 04:18:48 hows the webos book? worth $44? Dec 14 04:33:51 prototypic: Nope Dec 14 04:35:24 good to know Dec 14 04:36:44 hello again, needed to restart my fine windows machine only after 36 hours of being on, what a piece of crap Dec 14 04:37:04 prototypic: check your pm Dec 14 04:37:16 LoneStar34: xp? Dec 14 04:37:17 or 7 Dec 14 04:37:18 ? Dec 14 04:39:00 infamous win vista, have windows 7, but can't insall until i go back to austin Dec 14 04:39:18 awww 7 is awesome Dec 14 04:39:27 cant believe people still use vistya Dec 14 04:39:55 i have the last beta release here, but will wait for the real one when i go back in a few weeks Dec 14 04:40:38 i went from vista to apple, and then had unfortunetly go back to windows Dec 14 04:43:53 has anyone worked with JSON here? Dec 14 04:44:22 yarrr Dec 14 04:44:34 whaddya need? Dec 14 04:47:17 eekfuh1: i have the following json http://pastebin.com/m666262ae and works, but not sure how I would go about ordering the records as they appear in JSON: "$('res-t').innerHTML = '' + tt.pluck('title') + '" ; Dec 14 04:48:40 right now: the results are all bunched up and they appear like "title, title, title" "summary summary summarY" instead of "title" "summary" title "summary"... Dec 14 04:48:44 basresult records? Dec 14 04:48:48 yeas Dec 14 04:49:09 like in html? Dec 14 04:49:19 you want Dec 14 04:49:30 title - summary Dec 14 04:49:49 but maybe surrounded by text Dec 14 04:49:53 html i meant Dec 14 04:50:14 so your not just looping through that Dec 14 04:50:14 yes Dec 14 04:50:15 building the html Dec 14 04:50:23 then inserting into the div you want to? Dec 14 04:51:25 i have them inserting into a div, but not by "title summary, title summary" - they come out "title title title" "summary summary summary" Dec 14 04:51:51 sell i'd suggest making an array Dec 14 04:51:56 var html = []; Dec 14 04:52:17 then do html.push('

' + title + ' in the loop Dec 14 04:52:27 then do the summary Dec 14 04:52:36 so Dec 14 04:53:02 for (var i=0; i < basresults.length; i++){ html.push(title); html.push(summary) } Dec 14 04:53:24 then after that…. element.innerHTML = html.join(''); Dec 14 04:54:32 woot finally got a drag restriction to 3x3 sqaure, now to remove the diagonals Dec 14 04:54:50 eekfuh1: similar to PHP code... Dec 14 04:58:00 WOOOT Dec 14 04:58:06 im soo happy i got this done befor ebed Dec 14 04:58:24 i can drag pieces only up and down 1 piece Dec 14 04:59:00 LoneStar34 wha? Dec 14 04:59:25 sorry... it kind looks similar to PHP syntax Dec 14 04:59:46 ? Dec 14 04:59:54 did i use ->? Dec 14 04:59:58 or . for concat? Dec 14 05:00:07 or $var? Dec 14 05:00:08 lol Dec 14 05:11:42 if PHP is all you've coded before, everything looks like PHP Dec 14 05:11:43 ;> Dec 14 05:12:37 lol Dec 14 05:12:40 cause its C style Dec 14 05:27:54 Anyone know the order of scene activation/de-activation or the callbacks that are called when the phone is turned off and back on in the middle of an active app? Dec 14 05:32:49 yes Dec 14 05:33:01 4.5 stars for RadioTime. Dec 14 05:33:54 rbredow basically, what happens is that the deactivate methods run, but nothing with a callback happens... just the deactivates, and if the power is shut down, after 1 second, even if you have apps running, the app is hard ended. Dec 14 05:36:00 So it calls "deactivate" and waits about a second before stopping stuff? Then does it call "activate" when it powers back up? I have a strange bug associated with power offs in the middle of a round, but I can't figure out how to debug it. Is there a way to simulate that on the emulator by any chance? Dec 14 05:36:20 you're not talking about power off are you? Dec 14 05:36:31 you're talking about the screen going black. Dec 14 05:36:33 No...just standby. The button on the top for a moment. Dec 14 05:36:49 ok, but you SAID power off. :-) Dec 14 05:36:59 Oops, yes. Meant standby. Dec 14 05:37:00 standby is very very tricky. Dec 14 05:37:22 Aha. Well, that's consistent with what i'm seeing. Somehow, it hoses the game completely. :) Dec 14 05:37:29 But I'm not sure what it's doing. Dec 14 05:37:33 yep Dec 14 05:37:43 game with an animation loop? Dec 14 05:37:47 Exactly. Dec 14 05:38:00 I've tried to be careful with my re-activation to avoid two animation loops. Dec 14 05:38:14 I even set a variable and make sure I've only got one...but something else is happening I think. Dec 14 05:38:40 yep Dec 14 05:38:50 here's what you need to do: Dec 14 05:39:15 put Mojo.Log.error calls at the beginning and end of activate and deactivate and see if either of them get called. Dec 14 05:40:13 OK...adding those now. Dec 14 05:40:17 you may need to listen to stageactivate and stagedeactivate Dec 14 05:40:43 I do listen for those...and direct them to my own functions too. I should put a debug on those too I assume. Dec 14 05:44:52 So, it appears in my app that it calls stagedeactivate when the screen turns off, and stageactivate when the screen turns back on. Usually, it's Ok...but this last test it looks like it called stagedeactivate callback twice when the screen turned off. Dec 14 05:46:54 And if I keep turning the screen off and on, looks like I can get it to emit 3 stagedeactivate calls on screen off and 3d stageactivate callbacks on screen powering back up. I can see how that might cause problems. Dec 14 05:49:49 yep Dec 14 05:49:58 so you need to track what the last thing was. Dec 14 05:50:09 but once you know, no big deal. Dec 14 05:50:16 state variable. Dec 14 05:50:22 that gives me a place to start. thanks a lot... Dec 14 05:50:44 welcoem Dec 14 05:50:57 * Rick-work off to bed Dec 14 06:19:23 good evening everyone Dec 14 06:21:02 hey Dec 14 06:38:01 hello everyone... Dec 14 06:39:27 have a quick q with regards to appMenu - I am simply trying to have the help item push a specific scene, however I cant launch the app properly when I use the code from the Palm Web OS book.... any ideas / simple solutions? Dec 14 06:39:36 thanks in advance Dec 14 06:39:45 I think I have that handy...hold a sec. Dec 14 06:40:01 Here's one: http://webos.pastebin.com/f202b6051 Dec 14 06:40:11 It's on webos101 as well I think. Dec 14 06:41:17 I will give this a shot... thanks!! I am at my wits end with this SDK.... Dec 14 06:41:54 I had that feeling the first few weeks too. If you haven't already, use jslint to help fix typos. Saves hours/day. Dec 14 06:42:17 hmmm.... good idea. Thanks again! Dec 14 06:42:22 Since there are a lot of typos in the official docs, it can be pretty frustrating. Dec 14 06:43:17 Komodo is pretty decent for a lightweight IDE that has jslint built in too. If you go that direction, get the WebOS plugin too--works nicely. Dec 14 06:45:41 LiquidReality: have you tried debugging with the emulator? Dec 14 06:45:54 painfully Dec 14 06:46:10 it is definitely painful :/ Dec 14 06:46:11 works randomly for me Dec 14 06:46:25 randomly in that it won't break where you want it? Dec 14 06:46:38 umm... work at all when I want it Dec 14 06:46:46 I've given up on the actual debugger. But Mojo.Log.info and palm-log works pretty well. Dec 14 06:47:11 Well the debugger lets you see things even where you haven't put in specific log output Dec 14 06:47:25 worst part for me is testing online/ offline, handling of webview widgets, and language translation Dec 14 06:48:12 I think it would be awesome if someone smart would make the Mojo libraries work in firefox. Would that even be possible? If so, firebug and the like would make life great. Dec 14 06:48:24 agreed...that would be sweet! Dec 14 06:48:35 well....services would be out Dec 14 06:48:45 * rbredow wishes he was smart enough to get that running. Dec 14 06:48:45 but the widgets should be feasible Dec 14 06:49:44 the browser based IDE should alleviate many of the headaches Dec 14 06:49:53 you've heard about that yes? Dec 14 06:50:59 well - it's based on webkit - and the built in webkit inspector in safari is really good too Dec 14 06:51:33 Yes......and having quick feedback of widget CSS would be helpful Dec 14 06:52:33 Do you know if Webkit box-masks are supported in apps? Dec 14 06:52:57 the browser supports them...but I can seem to get them to work with in app images Dec 14 06:53:30 I could use canvas to composite a mask, but that's quite a bit more code Dec 14 06:55:27 I believe they are not Dec 14 06:55:40 oh... stupid question... Dec 14 06:55:48 with your help menu problem....have you tried pushing the scene independently of the menu? Dec 14 06:56:04 not yet :( Dec 14 06:56:08 just wondering if the problem is the menu or the scene Dec 14 06:56:13 but, it's a simple text page Dec 14 06:57:07 the stupid question is this: I have my global vars for the menuAttr and menuModel set up in my stage assistant as opposed to an appAssistant... could that be an issue? Dec 14 06:57:11 the rendering can fail for really small reasons..like it gets confused by a CSS property or a div as specific by CSS simply doesn't fit in the scene...so the rendering barfs Dec 14 06:57:43 I'll remove everything and try - Dec 14 06:58:53 nope.... not the scene Dec 14 06:59:43 that shouldn't be a problem.....as long as you are getting the stage controller object and using that to push the scene Dec 14 07:01:16 I am Dec 14 07:01:16 do you have a handleCommand method defined in your scene assistant? Dec 14 07:01:36 I do - are they conflicting> Dec 14 07:02:23 should I define all cases within all scenes? Dec 14 07:03:06 its fine to have unique menus within each scene...but if a particular option isn't defined in the scene, it won't work in that scene Dec 14 07:04:24 this.appMenuModel = { visible: true, items: [{label:$L('About...'),command:'about' }, {label: $L('Preferences'), command: 'preferences' } , { label: $L('Help'), command: 'help' }]}; Dec 14 07:04:25 this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu, {omitDefaultItems: true}, this.appMenuModel); Dec 14 07:05:23 and then in handleCommand a switch satement with options like: Dec 14 07:05:26 case 'help': Dec 14 07:05:26 this.controller.stageController.pushScene({name: "help" , transition: Mojo.Transition.crossFade}); Dec 14 07:05:57 yeah - I have that in my stageassistant - and call the widget from all my scenes... Dec 14 07:06:44 but - I keep getting my index view (which has no content other than "broken") when I load on the device Dec 14 07:06:47 huh? You're instantiating the widget in your stage controller Dec 14 07:07:06 ? Dec 14 07:07:43 Where do you specify the model and where do you call setupWiget()? Dec 14 07:09:01 I specify the model in stageAssistant... and call them within the various scenes of my app Dec 14 07:10:22 sorry - to explain... I don't use the index page, and I have simply placed the text "broken" into the HTML of that page so that I can quickly realize something went wrong Dec 14 07:12:28 oh yeah...I assumed as much Dec 14 07:13:32 and handleCommand is also defined in the stage-assistant? Dec 14 07:14:04 yes Dec 14 07:17:28 hmmm....Ok we've ruled out the obvious things :/ Dec 14 07:18:11 does your first scene render if you remove the menu? Dec 14 07:18:29 yes Dec 14 07:21:37 care to post your code to pastebin or somesuch? Dec 14 07:23:16 k - just fixed it Dec 14 07:23:55 thanks for all your help - it was a spelling error in the book that I didn't pick up on... now everything works Dec 14 07:24:05 thanks so much again.... Dec 14 07:24:08 ;) Dec 14 07:24:31 arrr...yeah...it is replete with those Dec 14 07:24:38 no problem....I didn't do anything! Dec 14 07:31:37 super simple question... is it bad for some reason to refer to images directly in your views using the 'src', or should I always set images through css? Dec 14 07:32:20 I do both. Sometimes it's more convenient to use one or the other. Dec 14 07:32:33 hmm....interesting question. I know that in the template (such as for lists and the like) HTML is escaped prior to rendering Dec 14 07:33:14 You can control that with the "escapeHTMLInTemplates":false setting in framework_config.json as well. Dec 14 07:33:15 rbredow: thanks. Dec 14 07:33:40 * rbredow isn't sure that it's best, but hasn't come across any issues. Dec 14 07:33:50 it depends how you are using the images Dec 14 07:34:19 There are things in CSS that you can do with images that you can't do with just an tag Dec 14 07:35:02 like webkit-border-image Dec 14 07:35:18 or tiling background images Dec 14 07:37:07 rbredow: its set to escape to prevent injection of style into scenes from web sourced content Dec 14 07:37:13 yeah, well rightnow there are some things I can do in css that I can't do in the html, like refer to the images I want. :) for some reason ../../images/blah doesn't seem to work Dec 14 07:37:43 ah. Dec 14 07:37:50 jfelectron: That's a good thing to keep in mind. Thanks. Dec 14 07:38:00 jfelectron: is this caused by the escaping you are talking about? Dec 14 07:39:18 Looks like the fixed the ratings and the dl# Dec 14 07:39:27 it depends where it is. If its in a template, then escaping will effect it. If its in the scene html file.....I think it should work, though I haven't specifically tested it Dec 14 07:42:55 fiftycal, calling images from the html works fine for me Dec 14 07:43:00 ./images/whatever Dec 14 07:43:18 if the images folder is in the main app folder Dec 14 07:44:30 CTLAdvance: is that ../ or ./? Dec 14 07:45:51 Have you guys tried the LA Times app? It's unbelievably fast. Can't imagine how they are doing it. Dec 14 07:45:53 Very impressive. Dec 14 07:47:38 well, Ill look at it more tomorrow. g'night all Dec 14 07:52:07 Hey can we programatically make a keydown event Dec 14 08:07:45 CTLAdvance: what are you trying to do? Dec 14 08:09:16 what do you want to trigger with the fake keydown event? Dec 14 08:25:36 I have a dynamic list with checkboxes. I register a propertyChange on the widget. Anyone know if it's possible to get event.index a'la a listTap event? Dec 14 08:28:03 hm, or just use indexOf. humm Dec 14 09:13:05 need help here Dec 14 13:32:51 howdy! anyone here good with json loops? Dec 14 13:33:23 randallagordon, sorry yo asked this question last night :) but my phone isn't CDMA, it's quad band GSM Palm Pre ? Dec 14 13:33:31 i use my SIM chip in it Dec 14 13:34:08 time for work, later ! Dec 14 13:46:27 LoneStar334, what's the question? Dec 14 13:48:16 ok I have the code on pastebin Dec 14 13:48:42 i am not able to do a proper loop of a json source Dec 14 13:48:54 http://pastebin.com/d55c3872 Dec 14 13:49:31 i can only get one result to display.... Dec 14 13:49:56 LoneStar334: the last result Dec 14 13:49:57 ? Dec 14 13:50:42 looks like you're overwriting innerHTML each time, not appending the new value of intro Dec 14 13:51:19 not really sure, what is going on..... Dec 14 13:52:48 if I do something like: "tt[0].title", "tt[1].title" I can view 2 different results, but can not get a loop to work... Dec 14 13:53:26 LoneStar334: what about this? http://pastebin.com/d60b99c2e Dec 14 13:55:30 ambackstrom: let me try your code brb Dec 14 14:00:07 ambackstrom: you code works, but get an "undefined" with var intro Dec 14 14:18:22 ambackstrom: thanks for your code it worked Dec 14 14:18:39 just need to get rid of the "undefined" Dec 14 14:18:46 What is pluck? Dec 14 14:18:55 Never seen that one before. Dec 14 14:19:24 ah... Dec 14 14:19:51 Why use pluck at all? Dec 14 14:20:05 Since you're looping, just use tt[i] Dec 14 14:21:24 pluck is a prototype method, was shown to me yesterday by a webOSer Dec 14 14:22:13 http://www.prototypejs.org/api/enumerable/pluck Dec 14 14:28:24 Yeah, you don't want to pluck in the loop Dec 14 14:28:24 That's bad Dec 14 14:28:46 You could pluck outside the loop then loop through the results. Dec 14 14:29:19 Pretty sure about that. Dec 14 14:29:46 Roy-Pre101: just tested it: both methods work: either "tt[i].title" or "tt.pluck('title')[i]" Dec 14 14:30:07 i opted for the simpler "tt[i].title" Dec 14 14:31:44 getting an undefined with "var intro;" how do I get rid of the undefined? Dec 14 14:32:45 Pastebin your latest code. Dec 14 14:34:40 http://pastebin.com/d3f997d14 Dec 14 14:43:09 you still have a pluck in there. Dec 14 14:43:25 pok, let me check Dec 14 14:43:46 Although, I'm not thinking it's the problem. Dec 14 14:44:06 oh... Dec 14 14:44:14 Why not start with var intro = ''; Dec 14 14:44:36 Not certain what adding undefined to a string is. Dec 14 14:46:25 not sure, "ambackstrom" passed me the code that worked, but now do not know how to get rid of the "var intro" error, brb gonna try somehting Dec 14 14:49:04 Roy-Pre101: undefined is the error I get with "var intro" cause I guess it has no meaning.... Dec 14 14:50:38 Variables are undefined unless you put something in them. Dec 14 14:51:25 anyone know of the top of their head what context handleCommand in a sceneassistant is called in? (ie, what does 'this' point to) Dec 14 15:03:03 Roy-Pre101: i did what Occum would have done: Dec 14 15:03:16 var intro = ''"; Dec 14 15:20:31 Hey everyone Dec 14 15:28:17 howdy WebRoundup! Dec 14 15:30:57 how are you lonestar? Dec 14 15:34:13 good, here trying to get out an app this week Dec 14 15:34:21 oh yeah? sweet Dec 14 15:34:33 well atleast the first version Dec 14 15:34:36 shoot it on over to me when it is ready Dec 14 15:34:44 I will add it to my list Dec 14 15:34:47 ok, Dec 14 15:35:00 i have another app, that is pending approval Dec 14 15:35:08 have you sent that to me? Dec 14 15:35:20 nope you want to check it out? Dec 14 15:35:37 sure, always looking for more apps to review Dec 14 15:35:50 reviews are gonna get a bit slower here cause of Christmas and all Dec 14 15:36:23 but I review everything I get Dec 14 15:36:27 http://admin.home.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/ Dec 14 15:36:34 1.0.2 version is the latest Dec 14 15:36:55 can you email it to me? Dec 14 15:37:01 iNOY is the pass Dec 14 15:37:17 yeah can do that, what is your email? Dec 14 15:37:26 david@webosroundup.com Dec 14 15:38:41 just put up a review of all the twitter apps on the catalog Dec 14 15:38:50 took 4 hours to create that thing Dec 14 15:38:54 man I am tired :) Dec 14 15:39:44 damn, that is nuts Dec 14 15:39:53 you will have to add another soon! Dec 14 15:40:03 normally they don't take that long Dec 14 15:40:12 but the twitter post has 6 apps in it Dec 14 15:40:15 so that takes a while Dec 14 15:41:32 that is nuts.... to much time! Dec 14 15:41:54 LoneStar334: That's what I told you to do. :) Dec 14 15:42:19 Hey Roy Dec 14 15:42:30 Howdy Dec 14 15:42:33 Good article. Dec 14 15:42:41 Gotta watch those its, though. ;D Dec 14 15:42:49 Roy-Pre101: abit slow in thinking, but thanks! Dec 14 15:42:50 Thanks! Hopefully it will bring in some traffic Dec 14 15:43:11 I know the question of "what is the best twitter app" gets asked a lot Dec 14 15:43:15 we'll see Dec 14 15:48:35 webOSRoundup: emailed the app Dec 14 15:49:08 sweet Dec 14 15:50:17 got it Dec 14 15:50:29 ok, maybe it will be of use to you Dec 14 15:50:41 you want me to review it, or just take a look and give you my $.02? Dec 14 15:51:23 review it, why not, - it might be the simplest review ever, it is a very simple app, but can come in handy Dec 14 15:51:30 hehe Dec 14 15:51:46 ok, I will add it to the list Dec 14 15:51:57 ok thanks, Dec 14 15:52:24 i should have another app this week, but it will be early alpha Dec 14 15:52:35 probably don't want me to review that then :P Dec 14 15:52:46 I usually review once it is ready for Palm Dec 14 15:54:10 oh ok, i'll let you know... Dec 14 15:54:19 sweet Dec 14 15:57:01 checking out the twitter app reviews Dec 14 15:57:07 cool! Dec 14 15:57:13 let me know what you think Dec 14 15:59:11 Your site looks great. Nice design. Dec 14 15:59:21 thank you Dec 14 15:59:28 still getting the bubble wrap off :) Dec 14 15:59:38 trying to get the word out Dec 14 16:08:59 did you design the website? Dec 14 16:10:38 I did Dec 14 16:10:51 I used a wordpress template to start Dec 14 16:10:57 then tweeked the crap out of it Dec 14 16:11:09 tried to give it a "palm feel" Dec 14 16:11:10 really nice UI, running on linux? Dec 14 16:11:22 it is wordpress, so yes it is php Dec 14 16:11:29 I am a .NET programmer by trade Dec 14 16:11:38 I am adding a lot of new features that will be in .NET Dec 14 16:11:54 really, word press supports .NET? Dec 14 16:11:57 I have my own web development company Dec 14 16:12:05 no, but my server can do both php and .net Dec 14 16:12:22 so it should be pretty seamless to the user Dec 14 16:12:40 i think all servers can now do both php and .net, even linux, though, through mono Dec 14 16:12:58 yeah, it all depends on the setup Dec 14 16:13:08 I use Rackspace for my stuff...they have good tools Dec 14 16:13:49 yeah rackspace is good, I use RootBSD, I'm a FreeBSD dude Dec 14 16:13:58 cool Dec 14 16:14:07 never done much of that myself Dec 14 16:14:15 done PHP and .NET mainly Dec 14 16:14:20 some webOS dev Dec 14 16:14:29 which is why I am so pro developer Dec 14 16:14:32 they advertive 100% uptime? Dec 14 16:14:33 I am one :P Dec 14 16:14:37 yes they do Dec 14 16:14:46 ok, great Dec 14 16:14:54 they don't hit it all the time, but they are a great host Dec 14 16:14:56 amazing support Dec 14 16:15:44 yeah rackspace really good from what I hear, Dec 14 16:15:54 they are out of San Antonio, Texas Dec 14 16:16:01 recently went public Dec 14 16:16:05 they have server farms all over Dec 14 16:16:10 yeha Dec 14 16:16:12 but their main one is in DFW Dec 14 16:16:21 webOSRoundup: you doing the cloud server plan from rackspace? Dec 14 16:16:29 yes Dec 14 16:16:38 I have an account for some of my clients Dec 14 16:16:41 webOSRoundup: basically, you got root on the machine, right? Dec 14 16:16:50 you can't remote in or anything Dec 14 16:16:56 ssh? Dec 14 16:16:56 not like a VPS or dedicated Dec 14 16:17:03 not sure Dec 14 16:17:15 there isn't "one machine" Dec 14 16:17:21 so I am not sure how you would remote in Dec 14 16:17:24 or ssh Dec 14 16:17:24 well, you have your own VM Dec 14 16:17:24 often wondered, what is the difference between VPS and cloud? Dec 14 16:17:40 VPS is a single "pretend" computer Dec 14 16:17:44 basically a partition Dec 14 16:17:59 a cloud is multiple VPSs basically Dec 14 16:18:16 if you get slammed with traffic, the load balancers on a cloud kick up more instances Dec 14 16:18:22 but isn't a cloud, just a bunch of pretend XEN seervers on servers? Dec 14 16:18:22 so your site never goes down Dec 14 16:18:22 well, i guess i dont need anything yet Dec 14 16:18:36 yes Dec 14 16:18:46 each server has multiple instances Dec 14 16:18:49 but once i switch i want a dedicated server where i have root. but i prolly dont need anything for another 3 or so years Dec 14 16:19:01 VPS is a cheaper version of dedicated Dec 14 16:19:16 dedicated servers are about $200 - $500 / month depending on the quality of box Dec 14 16:19:27 VPS is much cheaper and you can remote in and all that good stuff Dec 14 16:19:29 well, "dedicated" i guess VPS would work Dec 14 16:19:49 as long as i pretty much have root on the machine, or can run w/e i want Dec 14 16:20:20 yeah, VPS would work for that Dec 14 16:20:25 cloud is great for spikes and whatnot Dec 14 16:20:35 but there are quirks to it that you just have to get used to Dec 14 16:21:23 webOSRoundup: right now i have nearlyfreespeech.net for my website hosting and the rest of the stuff (like irssi in a screen session) i run on my schools servers. Dec 14 16:21:50 i guess i could make my home computer be a server and then use dyndns, but we'll see Dec 14 16:22:00 gettin' hardcore there :P Dec 14 16:22:05 i have an account with Amazon AWS, Zimory, and at RootBSD, two are cloud services and one VPS, and the only difference I find, the possiblily of instantly or almost instantly upgrading resources "memory etc..." Dec 14 16:23:15 webOSRoundup: yeah, i also run finch in screen. its awesome, except finch likes misbehaving sometimes Dec 14 16:25:30 what is finch? Dec 14 16:25:44 never gotten into the whole "off the beaten path" thing Dec 14 16:26:14 LoneStar334: finch is basically terminal gui version of pidgin Dec 14 16:26:30 s/basically// Dec 14 16:26:57 info bot not here anymore Dec 14 16:27:27 infobot was never here :( Dec 14 16:27:43 i still like doing that anyway, makes more sense as to what im correcting or omitting in this case Dec 14 16:27:59 hmmm.. interesting, guess i am still using yahoo messenger.... Dec 14 16:28:15 at least the new one looks pretty good in win7 Dec 14 16:29:03 I use gtalk Dec 14 16:29:37 well, this way im always online. and i can use terminal to ssh into the server and open up irssi and finch :) Dec 14 16:29:51 gkatsev: yahoo messenger in win 7? Dec 14 16:30:09 only annoying thing is that terminal still doesnt have alt, and finch and irssi's default bindings are alt Dec 14 16:30:16 LoneStar334: yeah, looks pretty cool Dec 14 16:30:38 oh, will have to check it out, once i install my win7 Dec 14 16:30:48 lol Dec 14 16:30:51 you havent yet? Dec 14 16:31:03 i guess if you are running linux thats fine Dec 14 16:31:38 neah, kinda funny a friend in India got his windows 7 upgrade 1 month before I got it in the mail here Dec 14 16:32:23 by the time win 7 arrived I was already at my parents for the thanksgiving - xmas holidays Dec 14 16:33:11 vista really sucks, but do not want win 7 to break any programs i have installed Dec 14 16:33:53 windows 7 shouldn't break anything Dec 14 16:35:03 LoneStar334: i recommend doing a clean install anyway. Dec 14 16:35:16 yeah, will do that Dec 14 16:35:41 if you are worried, you can google the programs to see if there are problems. Dec 14 16:35:45 LoneStar334: what version do you have? Dec 14 16:36:34 Vista Home SP2 Dec 14 16:36:57 i mean for win7, home premium, i guess Dec 14 16:37:04 wait, you have upgrade disc? Dec 14 16:37:29 had installed Win 7 on my macbook some months ago, and all was fine, until I installed the VMWare video driver and it flaked out... Dec 14 16:37:57 It is the free upgrade, of home premium Dec 14 16:38:22 but do not have it here, it is at my friends house collecting dust Dec 14 16:38:28 ah, then unfortunately, you cant do a clean install. there are some work arounds posted on winsupersite.com Dec 14 16:39:05 It might have an option, to delete all, current data... Dec 14 16:41:06 i really do not upgrading, nothing beats a clean install Dec 14 16:41:21 yeah, def. Dec 14 16:43:32 I wonder if the Win7 release candidate I have here is totally different than the release Win7 Dec 14 16:43:48 http://github.com/jamespadolsey/prettyPrint.js Dec 14 16:43:55 it is fairly differennt Dec 14 16:44:59 i am sure, cuss the win7 RC seemed kinda empty Dec 14 16:45:46 anyone up for giving me some digg love? Dec 14 16:45:46 http://digg.com/gadgets/Twitter_Roundup_Hunting_for_the_best_twitter_app_on_webOS Dec 14 16:47:33 first article I have submitted there Dec 14 16:47:40 see what happens Dec 14 16:50:07 done Dec 14 16:50:15 sweetness Dec 14 16:50:20 your first review and digg Dec 14 16:50:37 hehe Dec 14 16:50:49 nice comment :P Dec 14 16:51:37 I'll submit your review to a few others brb Dec 14 16:58:03 you the man :) Dec 14 17:01:37 done: yahoo buzz, reddit, propeller, delicious Dec 14 17:01:46 wow cool! Dec 14 17:15:26 good morning, curlie Dec 14 17:44:07 so...all you super-fancy multi-touch-knowing people...do the Pre/Pixi recognize > 2 touches at a time? Dec 14 17:54:30 yes Dec 14 17:54:41 that is how the fancy pinchy zoomy stuff works Dec 14 17:54:48 oooh Dec 14 17:54:50 > 2? Dec 14 17:54:52 hmmm Dec 14 17:54:56 missed that part Dec 14 17:54:57 duh Dec 14 17:55:15 that I dunoo Dec 14 17:58:52 the hardware may recognize more than one. webos itself (Luna specifically) only presents two at once Dec 14 17:59:10 webOSRoundup: so, which app do you use now? Dec 14 17:59:12 err (hw may recognize more than _two_, sw doesn't) Dec 14 17:59:58 would be cool if you we could hack 3 or 4 finger gestures into luna Dec 14 18:01:37 sugardave: see http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Debug_Switches for how to turn on the debugging and see where the points are. I tried three or more at once and only got two on the screen Dec 14 18:03:51 destinal: yeah, as you said, luna probably cannot handle more than 2 at the moment. but the iphone's hardware and software support 3&4 finger gestures, so, the pre's hardware probably supports its. Dec 14 18:03:58 (just guessing) Dec 14 18:04:34 yeah I would be surprised if it couldn't Dec 14 18:13:10 Hey, Adora, you dont have Super Sudoku on your list to review do ya? Dec 14 18:36:35 gkatsev: are you asking which Twitter client I have on my phone now? Dec 14 18:37:06 webOSRoundup: yes, which twitter client is currently your main? Dec 14 18:37:13 Twee Dec 14 18:37:53 I like it the most, but the dings it got because of the notification issue and the strange memory issue I ran into made it technically worse than Tweed Dec 14 18:38:22 but I don't personally use the notifications, so that isn't an issue for me Dec 14 18:38:23 mm Dec 14 18:38:26 i use tweefree Dec 14 18:38:48 i probably would get full twee, but i am a cheap college student Dec 14 18:38:55 i dont have money to spare Dec 14 18:39:06 i used it all up on getting a new computer, lol Dec 14 18:40:40 twee free is great Dec 14 18:40:47 it is my recommendation for free twitter Dec 14 18:40:52 followed by spaz Dec 14 18:41:27 yeah, thats basically what i have Dec 14 18:46:20 Good Day Dec 14 18:47:10 I am trying to push a camera scene but have the camera return to a different scene then the scene which pushed it originally Dec 14 18:47:22 any ideas? Dec 14 18:49:29 unlikely Dec 14 18:49:46 the camera scene doesn't have any such funcitonality built into it. Dec 14 18:50:09 you're return scene will need to know it's come back from the camera and go ON to something else. Dec 14 18:50:16 well i did this...pushed the camera scene and then right after that pushed another scene... Dec 14 18:50:37 this seems to have worked but I am not so sure about the technique Dec 14 18:50:59 ie to pushScene calls one after the other Dec 14 18:51:21 2 pushscene calls one after the other Dec 14 18:51:30 should be ok. Dec 14 18:52:01 ok thanks Dec 14 18:52:50 another question I am trying to show the picture taken by the camera Dec 14 18:53:36 and its being saved in var/tmp but I cannot show the picture in the imageviewer unless my app is named com.palm.spmething Dec 14 18:54:19 I need to show the picture taken by the camera in the imageviewer? Dec 14 18:57:58 why is it being saved in /var/tmp instead of /media/internal???? Dec 14 18:59:05 because I want it be deleted after sometime...and the same is true for /media/internal though Dec 14 18:59:32 they just cannot viewed in the ImageViewer unless its named com.palm.something Dec 14 18:59:40 teh app that is Dec 14 18:59:59 its an update with 1.3.1 I suppose Dec 14 19:06:42 why not use the image view widget to show the photo to your users? Dec 14 19:07:30 oh the 131 "we restricted too many folders, we're sorry, we're fixing it in 135" bug. Dec 14 19:07:31 ooops Dec 14 19:07:39 I am talking about the same built in widget...the imageviewer Dec 14 19:08:57 oh ok thankyou so much for the info, ...so I should be fine with placing images /var/tmp correct ? Dec 14 19:09:24 think so, you might want to do a quick serch of the forums at developer.palm.com Dec 14 19:09:56 sure will do thanks again Dec 14 19:25:18 thanks Adora Dec 14 19:25:18 :D Dec 14 19:36:23 anyone else ever get a 900 error when submitting their app? "IPK malformed", though the ipk extracts just fine and works on the device. Dec 14 19:46:53 i had no idea that each app needed a help menu item and scene! howd i miss that?? Dec 14 19:47:53 samsonjs yes Dec 14 19:48:14 samsonjs that error is almost always the result of your having a blank line in your appinfo.js Dec 14 19:48:44 yetdog, application checklist. Dec 14 19:48:47 Rick_work: fantastic! i'll check that out right now. Dec 14 19:49:08 yeah rick, duno how i missed it :/ Dec 14 19:49:47 would you look at that, there *is* a blank line. is that invalid JSON or just invalid for an IPK? Dec 14 19:50:25 it's invalid for the automatic appinfo parser code that they have at palm. Dec 14 19:51:56 i see. thank you for that info. thank you very much rick. Dec 14 19:57:54 anyone know if a scrolling pagination is alright for webos? Dec 14 20:04:58 LoneStar334 I'm not sure what you mean by that. Dec 14 20:07:23 I am working an app, and wondering if say 5 results are displayed, then the user clicks more, and another 5 are added to the bottom of the others. after a while a person can have 30+ results on device screen.... Dec 14 20:08:03 nodnod Dec 14 20:08:11 ok, and ...... Dec 14 20:08:47 the thing is: do not want go go through all the trouble making some different type of pagination, and get the app rejected.... Dec 14 20:09:12 so, you're just appending them to the bottom of the div with the results? Dec 14 20:09:20 scrolling is fine. Dec 14 20:09:56 www.duckduckgo.com has the sort of pagination I have in mind Dec 14 20:09:57 now, what you MAY want to do is to define a scroller to hold your results on your screen so that your "get more" button stays visible while the results scroll in a constrained area above the command-menu button Dec 14 20:10:26 tht's fine Dec 14 20:10:53 which one is the command-menu button? Dec 14 20:11:09 the "more links" Dec 14 20:11:27 yeah Dec 14 20:11:39 the idea is, if yu want to use a BUTTON or a command menu instead of a LINK to link in your more links, Dec 14 20:11:51 then you should put your results into a scroller ABOVE the button..... Dec 14 20:13:17 ok, i see Dec 14 20:13:42 is there a way to refresh the Pre ip address Dec 14 20:13:51 the "more links" button always visible regarless of how many results Dec 14 20:13:55 evdo ip or wifi? Dec 14 20:13:59 evdo Dec 14 20:14:11 go into airplane mode and come back out. Dec 14 20:14:21 ok Dec 14 20:15:09 I have had some users that are not in the U.S. asking if they could purchase my app since paid apps are only visible to U.S. users. What should I do? Dec 14 20:15:27 are the willing to install a bare IPK? Dec 14 20:15:51 Rick_work: I'm assuming so. Dec 14 20:15:52 if so, have them pay you via paypal and send them an IPK Dec 14 20:16:10 via email..... Dec 14 20:16:14 or give them a link to download it. Dec 14 20:16:24 Rick_work: The only worry I have is that if I push an update to the App Catalog, they won't be able to update. Dec 14 20:16:44 you'll have to maintain a mailing list for those folks and announce updates. Dec 14 20:17:39 Rick_work: Cool. I just wanted to ask so I wasn't violating any terms with Palm. Dec 14 20:18:13 not so far as I can tell, there don't APPEAR to be any exclusivity policies in the app catalog agreement that I read. but IANAL Dec 14 20:19:19 that worked Dec 14 20:19:37 Hey folks Dec 14 20:19:45 I just got my festivus pole! Dec 14 20:19:51 Hey Jordan Dec 14 20:20:01 uh, congratulations I guess, whatever that is..... Dec 14 20:20:04 time for the feats of strength? Dec 14 20:20:18 kesne: festivus pole? Dec 14 20:20:20 I just got an amazon gift cert from Palm. Dec 14 20:20:25 samsonjs: kesne will lose Dec 14 20:20:34 a festivus for the rest of us :) Dec 14 20:20:46 Rick_work: Ah, that was what I was asking Dec 14 20:20:52 Festivus is the best! Dec 14 20:20:53 Rick_work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus Dec 14 20:21:55 who shall start the airing of grievances? Dec 14 20:23:35 Hehe Dec 14 20:23:46 Rick_work: $100 gift cert? Dec 14 20:24:15 They sent one to select developers Dec 14 20:25:01 I don't want to sound uppity but who at Palm decide *not* to use a standard JSON parser to read appinfo.json? Can't have blank lines, nor can it be generated (no whitespace). Even if it's "just" the submission that has a custom "parser" ... blurgh. Dec 14 20:25:19 early beta developer program participants who had apps in before the paid apps opened, or who have made "substantial contributions" to the developer program got a thank you letter from Rubenstein and an amazon gift cert. Dec 14 20:25:31 I mean, you ask for a specific format and then fail to adhere to the standard yourself, telling me my ipk is malformed? ... i don't know what to say. extremely bad form. Dec 14 20:25:58 samsonjs the back-end at palm is written in Ruby. -- most security wonks these days are ruby heads. Dec 14 20:26:07 Rck work it looks like they actually signed these too, looks like pen ink Dec 14 20:26:33 Not a mass print out Dec 14 20:26:47 Though Jons I can't tell Dec 14 20:27:44 could be an auto-signer.... or a pen plotter. :-) Dec 14 20:28:05 Hmm I guess :) Dec 14 20:28:07 my script to package an app for the store and set field in appinfo.json is in Ruby as well. The native JSON gem is fast, they should be using it. imo anyway. i don't want to dwell on it but all these little catches are starting to leave a sour taste in my mouth. there's too much polishing left if they want to launch this in the next few months ... if they want it well received anyway. Dec 14 20:28:17 It looks to me like a stamp or something Dec 14 20:29:19 Idea: why don't we all scan and upload and compare? Dec 14 20:29:28 Jons looks like a stamp oe print out on mine, the other two look like ink.. Oh well no biggy Dec 14 20:29:30 If they are all the same, than blam Dec 14 20:30:00 I could do that later when I get home Dec 14 20:30:17 you got MULTIPLES CTLAdvance-webos!?!?!?! Dec 14 20:30:23 That seems unfair.... Dec 14 20:30:29 :( Dec 14 20:30:42 I havent gotten mine yet Dec 14 20:30:44 I have 3 signatures Dec 14 20:30:47 But I'm at school Dec 14 20:30:51 Not letters Dec 14 20:30:52 So I wouldnt know Dec 14 20:31:02 CTLAdvance-webos: who are the people? Dec 14 20:31:27 Jon aka Mr. Big Dec 14 20:31:50 Three of his? Dec 14 20:32:42 "paid app opened" has the process changed recently? Dec 14 20:33:25 bmyers there have been 3 iterations so far, and a fourth is about to take place. Dec 14 20:33:43 was hoping to get in before that change i think Dec 14 20:33:50 there was "palm asked you to be a part of the experiment before the phone was released. Dec 14 20:33:50 No sorry had to grab it Dec 14 20:34:07 Jon, ben and dion Dec 14 20:34:07 There was "palm asked you to be a beta dev, but there were no paid apps yet. Dec 14 20:34:20 there currently is "there are paid apps in the beta dev program. Dec 14 20:34:33 and soon to come, the "open to all comers dev program" -- any minute now. Dec 14 20:34:54 that the 99 dollar one right? Dec 14 20:35:14 nodnod Dec 14 20:35:32 * sugardave needs to polish up BOFH Excuse Generator and get it in ASAP. Dec 14 20:35:45 u and me both. Dec 14 20:35:48 so, to date it was free/ free/ $5 and soon to come $99/50. Dec 14 20:36:13 Unless your already a beta developer/partner Dec 14 20:36:39 i dont have any other apps in the appcat Dec 14 20:41:18 hi everyone Dec 14 20:41:32 * sugardave is pleased with his Palm gift. "Now my wife wants me to use it to buy OTHER people Christmas presents." Dec 14 20:41:39 * sugardave grumbles. Dec 14 20:42:00 lol Dec 14 20:42:07 dont think most people got them Dec 14 20:42:13 so your a lucky one Dec 14 20:42:22 whee! Dec 14 20:42:29 I got lucky! Dec 14 20:43:33 tell wife that it's YOUR gift. Suck eggs. Dec 14 20:43:57 wow. i'd hate to be your spouse Dec 14 20:44:20 Probably true but for other reasons. Dec 14 20:44:34 hahaha Dec 14 20:44:46 "pound sand, baby!" Dec 14 20:45:39 !slap Dec 14 20:46:08 * swisstomcat nibbles at deliciousmorsel ... mmm .. delicious Dec 14 20:46:16 :) Dec 14 20:46:41 ;) Dec 14 20:47:21 @(*#$&(@ Dec 14 20:47:27 ohhai Dec 14 20:47:29 wtf does pound sand even mean! Dec 14 20:47:37 my old boss used to say that like, three times a day Dec 14 20:47:55 Adora: Hey, I have something to show you Dec 14 20:48:21 "go and pound sand" .. go away and pound sand, it won't change a thing Dec 14 20:48:31 deliciousmorsel: heya, yummy =] Dec 14 20:48:47 got that update out as soon as I could Dec 14 20:48:53 Adora: so, how were the chocolate bacon cookie things? Dec 14 20:49:02 everyone was checked out for the weekend, hehehe Dec 14 20:49:08 gkatsev: AWESOME Dec 14 20:49:09 like Dec 14 20:49:14 surprisingly, uncommonly good Dec 14 20:49:20 hehe Dec 14 20:49:24 stressful Dec 14 20:49:35 i'm pretty sure Adora knows why Dec 14 20:49:43 my secret was adding maple extract to the chocolate Dec 14 20:49:43 putting out lots of fires Dec 14 20:50:33 Adora: they LOOKED delicious Dec 14 20:50:40 it wasn't teh bacon? Dec 14 20:51:03 deliciousmorsel: well, yeah Dec 14 20:51:05 but adding bacon was OBVIOUS Dec 14 20:51:09 i mean, bacon added to just about anything makes it better. but one wouldnt expect it to go with sweets Dec 14 20:51:24 the maple was what made it genius Dec 14 20:51:25 * sugardave loves bacon and syrup. Dec 14 20:51:41 Adora: bacon-tinis Dec 14 20:51:57 YAY published! Dec 14 20:51:58 thanks ADORA Dec 14 20:52:02 i have not had them personally, but seen them on TV and sounded great Dec 14 20:52:03 you deserve HUGS Dec 14 20:52:07 lyht: you should have feedback on super sudoku now, btw Dec 14 20:52:40 10 Reasons Why Apple, Not ATT, Is to Blame for iPhone Flaws http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/10-Reasons-Why-Apple-Not-ATT-Is-to-Blame-for-iPhone-Flaws-563403/ Dec 14 20:52:44 http://www.americansweets.co.uk/ekmps/shops/statesidecandy/images/hershey-s-white-chocolate-cream-hugs-109-p.jpg Dec 14 20:52:44 * Adora superhero today Dec 14 20:53:02 you are a super hero Dec 14 20:53:16 you make my life doing stuff with Palm… a lot easier to say the least Dec 14 20:53:31 super heroine Dec 14 20:53:50 deliciousmorsel: that's my #1 goal Dec 14 20:53:58 thank you =] Dec 14 20:54:25 (I am but one of many) Dec 14 20:54:29 the problem with being the hero Dec 14 20:54:45 is you probably get harassed during the weekend :( Dec 14 20:54:56 and get asked a lot of stupid questions … sorries Dec 14 20:55:09 I do sometimes, but I don't mind Dec 14 20:55:36 so the palm goodies they sent to dev's Dec 14 20:55:39 and I'd rather know there's an issue than have it wait until monday Dec 14 20:55:46 can i trade mine for some of those cookies you made? Dec 14 20:56:02 and I'll help if I can, as long as you guys accept that sometimes baby just needs a spa day =] Dec 14 20:56:08 everything's better with bacon. Dec 14 20:56:19 bacon day spa Dec 14 20:56:28 instead of mud bath Dec 14 20:56:33 grease bath Dec 14 20:56:33 deliciousmorsel: I've been hearing about this, but I have no idea what you got! Dec 14 20:56:35 what kind of goodies? Dec 14 20:56:50 dm'd Dec 14 21:07:15 okay, time to go to "parent watch" day at ballet class....see y'all later Dec 14 21:08:29 The stuff Palm RT is getting funnier Dec 14 21:11:49 hello is this the spot for help with WebOS platform? Dec 14 21:12:29 yep Dec 14 21:12:32 this is the place Dec 14 21:12:38 I have a quick question for anyone that could offer any help Dec 14 21:13:12 I am doing some investigation into support of Near Field Communication APIs for this platform and since I am not a developer I thought I would ask out here for help Dec 14 21:13:26 Has anyone used this or know about what is available? Dec 14 21:15:52 resubmitted my apps w/ the help scene on saturday. went into "being reviewed" early this morning. fingers crossed !:) Dec 14 21:15:59 they should be ok since that was the only feedback i got on each app Dec 14 21:16:05 stupid help scenes Dec 14 21:16:06 lol Dec 14 21:16:14 anybody have experience with lazy list loading? Dec 14 21:16:24 i was brief w/ it too, deliciousmorsel! Dec 14 21:16:44 wanted to make an entire row link to the website and email, but settled for a plain ol a href text link :) Dec 14 21:17:06 edektor we've certainly covered lasy list loading here before. Dec 14 21:17:19 There are serious issues. It doesn't work as well as you might want for it to Dec 14 21:17:55 Well in the mojo matters example they have it loading more items when you tell it to by tapping a button. But I want it to load them as it needs more without telling it too Dec 14 21:18:37 edektor, the problem is that the list widget doesn't have sub-render capability. it always re-renders the entire list, not just the new part.... Dec 14 21:19:36 then what does noticeUpdatedItems() do Dec 14 21:20:18 it re renders the entire list. Dec 14 21:20:36 so I cant have it load items as it needs them Dec 14 21:20:40 you can Dec 14 21:20:50 but each time it does, it re renders the entire list. Dec 14 21:21:58 I've seriously considered taking the source for lists, and producing a custom widget Dec 14 21:25:34 Rick_work: talked to anyone@palm about it? Dec 14 21:25:41 yes Dec 14 21:29:25 is there any way to transfer music to the pre without using usb or media mode? Dec 14 21:29:25 yeetdog: the apps need a help scene? Dec 14 21:29:36 yeah LoneStar334 Dec 14 21:30:14 so without one, regardless how simple of an app, it will get rejected? Dec 14 21:30:22 that's what ive been made to understand Dec 14 21:31:48 wow, it makes sense for a complex app... Dec 14 21:32:27 LoneStar34 the "help scene" must contain a mechanism for contacting the programs author Dec 14 21:32:53 that can be a web site address, a form, or an email, or a phone numnber but there must be one. Dec 14 21:33:03 And thus, even the dumbest app requires a help scene Dec 14 21:33:16 so, your help scene could consist of Dec 14 21:33:41 "Help for doesnothing app, contact me at http://doesnothing.com/help " Dec 14 21:33:58 no contact address, instant rejection Dec 14 21:34:15 ALSO, all your scenes have to ahve an edit menu choice, even if it's disableed... Dec 14 21:34:24 check the app checklist at developer.palm.com Dec 14 21:34:33 oh ok, is there code snipplet out yonder? Dec 14 21:34:52 the "support" app in samples in the sdk Dec 14 21:35:00 ok thanks Dec 14 21:35:59 howdy Dec 14 21:36:43 howdy Dec 14 21:38:11 Roy did you get a nice christmas present from Palm today? Dec 14 21:40:20 paid apps need to be available to other countries! Dec 14 21:40:41 yes, bryan, and they will once palm gets corporate entitites set up in those other countries. Dec 14 21:41:02 There's tricky stuff there. Tax consequences, import laws, etc. Dec 14 21:41:21 Rick_work: any eta? Dec 14 21:41:37 absolutely none other than "As fast as we can" Dec 14 21:42:01 They got paid apps in Canada now. Dec 14 21:42:03 I think Dec 14 21:42:22 Really? Dec 14 21:42:30 not sure, but I thought so. Dec 14 21:42:56 when i submitted my app last week i couldnt do it Dec 14 21:43:00 (paid app in store other than USA) Dec 14 21:43:23 that would be neat Dec 14 21:43:23 i want canadian dollars Dec 14 21:43:43 so colorful Dec 14 21:43:47 will we have to resubmit paid apps once they open up for other countries? Dec 14 21:44:09 i would assume we could go in and edit our submission? Dec 14 21:44:13 but that's just speculation Dec 14 21:54:22 morning Dec 14 21:54:29 morning rwhitby Dec 14 21:54:51 yay, more sports spam apps Dec 14 21:54:55 morning (or evening here) Dec 14 21:54:58 (via @palmnewapps) Dec 14 21:55:23 lol Dec 14 21:55:59 whats beto? Dec 14 21:56:06 mexican restuarant app Dec 14 21:56:10 yetdog another step towards the magic 1000 apps. Dec 14 21:56:10 swisstomcat: <+infobot> i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Dec 14 21:57:07 1000 isnt as magical if 300 of it is spam Dec 14 21:57:13 its like the magic 100k on the appstore Dec 14 21:57:17 the appstore is sure magical Dec 14 21:58:35 deliciousmorsel: sweet, got the update in Dec 14 21:59:04 which update? Dec 14 21:59:05 lol Dec 14 21:59:07 i'm out of it Dec 14 21:59:11 at work and on here Dec 14 21:59:14 just not connecting Dec 14 21:59:17 deliciousmorsel: Feeds Dec 14 21:59:25 k lol Dec 14 21:59:30 thats what i thought Dec 14 21:59:34 deliciousmorsel: lol Dec 14 21:59:36 sorry about the issue Dec 14 21:59:46 i'm sometimes thickheaded Dec 14 21:59:49 deliciousmorsel: what was the problem? Dec 14 21:59:54 too embarassing Dec 14 21:59:56 lol Dec 14 22:00:02 i merged beta branch into release Dec 14 22:00:07 oops Dec 14 22:00:09 deliciousmorsel: lol Dec 14 22:00:10 got the beta restriction in it Dec 14 22:00:18 so it kills your app on a certain time Dec 14 22:00:20 deliciousmorsel: been there done that (grins) Dec 14 22:00:23 lol Dec 14 22:00:36 deliciousmorsel: love the app btw Dec 14 22:00:42 good to hear Dec 14 22:00:47 i'm suprised how well it came out Dec 14 22:00:59 i'm somewhat in a competition with Pivotal Dec 14 22:01:04 love those guys Dec 14 22:01:09 but we keep on making the same kind of apps Dec 14 22:01:17 lol, true Dec 14 22:01:27 nothing wrong with good, clean competition Dec 14 22:02:14 my app has competition too :( Dec 14 22:02:22 and a very good one Dec 14 22:02:44 swisstomcat: what's that? Dec 14 22:02:45 which app? Dec 14 22:02:55 unnamed yet .. the competition is bahnfahren Dec 14 22:03:01 * FoxFireX has competition as well. "Good ideas draw imitators, and sometimes the imitators do it better. :)" Dec 14 22:03:02 say wha? Dec 14 22:03:13 wha? Dec 14 22:03:15 the bahnfahren app Dec 14 22:03:18 never seen it Dec 14 22:03:20 funny name Dec 14 22:03:21 lol Dec 14 22:03:30 european Dec 14 22:03:44 i have no more sprint service Dec 14 22:03:44 shows you which train to take Dec 14 22:03:45 :( Dec 14 22:03:46 only wifi Dec 14 22:03:57 i'm making a swiss version Dec 14 22:04:11 swiss miss? Dec 14 22:04:17 brb Dec 14 22:04:19 getting hot chocolate Dec 14 22:04:26 swiss milk Dec 14 22:04:33 mixed with swiss chocolate Dec 14 22:04:37 :) Dec 14 22:05:08 the banhfahren app has one great feature .. it uses a dropdown-menu as a list selector Dec 14 22:05:41 so one thing i've noticed about palm pre users Dec 14 22:05:48 palm needs to quit it with these team specific apps Dec 14 22:05:54 and people will disagree Dec 14 22:06:00 the reviewers are better than on the iphone Dec 14 22:06:18 edektor: Don't blame Palm, blame that developer. They're abusing the free submission period for early access developers. :/ Dec 14 22:06:23 Edektor you know its not palm developing them right Dec 14 22:06:27 edektor: yeah, we're swimming in them! Dec 14 22:06:32 lol Dec 14 22:06:51 yeah but they are accepting them Dec 14 22:06:57 CTLAdvance-webos: yes I know Dec 14 22:07:06 So Dec 14 22:07:10 Let them Dec 14 22:08:09 They're kind of obligated to, I think. They set forward rules about what they would and would not accept, and this developer is (unfortunately) playing by those rules. If Palm arbitrarily decided to reject the apps submitted without having something they can point to as not following the rules, it's difficult to defend. Dec 14 22:08:44 I think it's more of a quantity over quality thing. Dec 14 22:09:01 4.99 for ifart pro Dec 14 22:09:05 LOL Dec 14 22:09:06 Wells it just kinda lame when 50 out of 375 or whatever are team specific apps Dec 14 22:09:15 iFartForFree Dec 14 22:09:16 ftw Dec 14 22:09:42 palm should do a developer challenge Dec 14 22:09:52 I agree that the team apps are lame. Quite so. But I also would be quite irritated if my app were arbitrarily rejected despite meeting the submission criteria. Dec 14 22:09:54 edektor: what is team specific? Dec 14 22:09:55 FoxFireX: agreed, as soon as Palm makes rational decision outside of the rule, rather than following the rules they set, they will be hounded in the tech blogs for making Apple-like arbitrary rejections of apps. Palm can't win on this one, unfortunately. Dec 14 22:10:00 why not make one app that can do what 500 apps can do? Dec 14 22:10:25 The ire should be focused at the rogue developer, not at Palm. Dec 14 22:10:32 true Dec 14 22:10:34 LoneStar34: all these https://twitter.com/PalmNewApps Dec 14 22:10:52 i feel bad for Chuq Dec 14 22:10:58 having to manually input them all Dec 14 22:11:05 lol Dec 14 22:11:16 he probably has a FFFFFUUUUUUUUUU moment every day with it Dec 14 22:11:17 making his life crap Dec 14 22:11:33 he should write a script Dec 14 22:11:37 Finally had to stop having PalmNewApps send me SMS. I don't usually run a Twitter client, so in the beginning, that was a good way to see what was new. Now, gah. I can't stand hearing my "new message" beep. :) Dec 14 22:11:48 lol Dec 14 22:12:01 you could run my twitter client Dec 14 22:12:05 and i'd give you some hugs Dec 14 22:12:16 DOES YOUR TWITTER CLIENT Dec 14 22:12:20 HAVE BLOCKING Dec 14 22:12:23 * FoxFireX tends not to run much full time, for the sake of battery. Dec 14 22:12:24 (@*#$&@(#* <3 Dec 14 22:12:30 need Dec 14 22:12:32 need need need Dec 14 22:12:40 nom nom nom Dec 14 22:12:42 adding it in Dec 14 22:12:43 Heck, I've got all the IM services turned off so I can make it through a day. :/ Dec 14 22:12:43 for cookies Dec 14 22:12:48 deal Dec 14 22:12:52 so a good question Dec 14 22:13:02 deliciousmorsel which client is yours? Dec 14 22:13:14 palm should allow the appcatalog to send payment in cookies Dec 14 22:13:26 hehe Dec 14 22:13:26 2 chocolate chips and 1 ginger snap Dec 14 22:13:30 for my twitter app Dec 14 22:13:34 (Twee & TweeFree) Dec 14 22:13:37 oh nice! Dec 14 22:13:48 lol Dec 14 22:14:13 how do you switch scenes like the calendar app? Dec 14 22:14:17 edektor: so they are like tons of cheap apps being made in china by some slave driver? Dec 14 22:14:55 Yeah prob Dec 14 22:15:03 or just some dude in the US somewhere Dec 14 22:15:19 wow, - has he sold any? Dec 14 22:15:30 check the webos patch Dec 14 22:15:35 who has it isntalled? Dec 14 22:15:39 i thought those #s were broken Dec 14 22:15:47 they are total dl's Dec 14 22:15:50 not purchases Dec 14 22:15:55 but if they have dl's then… close enough Dec 14 22:16:02 from what i read though, they stlil broke last week Dec 14 22:16:06 not sure if they're fixed yet Dec 14 22:16:08 I think they fixed it. Dec 14 22:16:12 ah ok thx FoxFireX Dec 14 22:16:13 Numbers seem to be different now. Dec 14 22:16:47 my app in preware has been downloaded over 200 times, pretty psyched about that Dec 14 22:16:51 * FoxFireX is apparently going to have to put the Export feature of his app on the front page, in BIG BOLD LETTERS so people actually see it. Dec 14 22:16:56 hopefully my other apps will be approved by palm today so in the store soon Dec 14 22:17:39 OMG!! Dec 14 22:17:56 "AT&T U-verse service is available at the following location" Dec 14 22:18:01 * yetdog slams on the refresh button...still "being reviewed" Dec 14 22:18:13 the following location being MINE Dec 14 22:18:17 Adora i know its not AT&T wireless but i still have trouble giving those pricks another dime :( Dec 14 22:18:23 calling and hounding them finally worked Dec 14 22:18:29 but congrats for you! Dec 14 22:18:45 Hello Palm people -- I work with encrypted data which is quite slow to deal with in Javascript under WebOS (~20 times slower than compiled code for iPhone/Windows Mobile/Android on similar hardware). Is there a way to compile a native c++ application to do encryption/decryption instead? I don't see any low level access in the APIs I've read Dec 14 22:18:55 yetdog: gotta be better than comcast, though Dec 14 22:19:08 adora - perhaps. its my only option here other than sat :( Dec 14 22:19:08 which I was going to break down and order today if uverse didn't have their act together Dec 14 22:19:16 i would like fios really Dec 14 22:19:22 JoeLastPass not for the app catalog at this time. Dec 14 22:20:05 rick_home have the internals guys got binary level stuff yet? Dec 14 22:20:10 maybe if I call and hound Sprint they will fix the service hole which includes my workplace. Dec 14 22:20:21 linuxjacques have them send you a airave Dec 14 22:20:22 I'd love to have FiOS, so long as they didn't set my house on fire installing it. Dec 14 22:20:30 i have an airave right next to this computer here @ work Dec 14 22:20:43 LOL FoxFireX Dec 14 22:20:49 yetdog: what is an airave ? sounds interesting. Dec 14 22:21:00 Linux they can give you an airave to fix cell service Dec 14 22:21:00 check it out on google - like a mini cell tower Dec 14 22:21:19 yetdog: neat. checking it out now. Dec 14 22:22:08 it's a femtocell Dec 14 22:22:36 ah, the hard (impossible) part will be getting IT to approve it. Dec 14 22:22:48 i *am* IT :) Dec 14 22:22:52 so it was easy for me hehe Dec 14 22:23:17 yetdog: well you are probably also a reasonable person... unlike some IT people Dec 14 22:23:47 my boss is a total maniacal powerfreak Dec 14 22:23:48 god complex all the way Dec 14 22:23:58 * FoxFireX thinks he's got the coolest network support guys at work (no offense, yetdog ;)) Dec 14 22:24:08 hahaha for your sake i hope you do! Dec 14 22:24:32 woot Ares v2 Dec 14 22:24:34 out Dec 14 22:24:42 NDA Dec 14 22:24:45 aw wish i could see it! lol Dec 14 22:24:49 edektor read the nda Dec 14 22:24:53 i can talk about it all i want Dec 14 22:24:56 YAY Dec 14 22:24:57 oh my bad Dec 14 22:25:02 I havent read it Dec 14 22:25:04 lol Dec 14 22:25:18 But I got the email for v2 Dec 14 22:25:22 well in your defense edektor, after apple's fiasco , cant blame you for that kneejerk reaction! Dec 14 22:25:29 lol Dec 14 22:25:43 i wonder if being a jerk means you make more money Dec 14 22:25:43 im half hoping for ares but half not. dont want to stunt my development learning :) Dec 14 22:25:47 the Apple vs Palm paradigm Dec 14 22:26:11 the nda says you can talk about it? Dec 14 22:26:42 I believe it would be worth re-reading any such NDAs before assuming it safe to discuss publicly. Dec 14 22:27:04 everyone here w/ a pre have some sort of case on it? (i have an invis shield) Dec 14 22:27:14 2. Permitted Disclosures by Developers.  Palm acknowledges and agrees that it is valuable for developers in the Program to be able to communicate with other developers and the general public about their development efforts and their applications.  Palm agrees that Developer shall have the ability to discuss the Palm Materials, Developer’s development efforts and Developer’s Application(s) with any third party, including but not limited to bloggi Dec 14 22:27:27 i have a naked pre with the seidio 3 pronged clip Dec 14 22:27:28 Section 2 and Section 15) otherwise authorizes you to make any public Dec 14 22:27:28 disclosures regarding the Ares Preview Program, such sections shall not Dec 14 22:27:28 apply to Dec 14 22:27:28 the Restricted Materials or the Ares Preview Program. Dec 14 22:27:37 Gah. Dec 14 22:27:39 Stupid client. Dec 14 22:27:45 gkatsev - does the screen get scratched in your pocket? Dec 14 22:28:13 yetdog: see clip. it with the screen inside. hitholster Dec 14 22:28:13 *hipholster Dec 14 22:28:15 my invis shield has a loose corner (of course) Dec 14 22:28:21 and im contemplating tearing the whole damn thing off Dec 14 22:28:21 yetdog: I have the soft shield screen protector on it, the wraparound kind Dec 14 22:33:52 When I saw the "screen only" Invisible Shield, I thought "Cool, now I don't have to do those awful corners". So sad to find out it's the same stupid template. Dec 14 22:34:35 yep. and the guy at best buy did a real swell job, too Dec 14 22:34:41 except for the one corner by the power switch Dec 14 22:34:48 got dust under it. then you're screwed Dec 14 22:34:51 only a matter of time Dec 14 22:35:33 I did both mine and my wife's (on both phones she's used) as well as her iPod Touches (again, both). I think I deserve a merit badge for applying the damn things. Dec 14 22:35:46 you offer a service? :) Dec 14 22:36:04 * FoxFireX notes that his wife's habit of losing/damaging equipment is hazardous to the bank account and the sanity. Dec 14 22:36:25 Yeah, it's called "Man, you gotta install one of those? Sucks to be you." :) Dec 14 22:37:29 hahahha Dec 14 22:37:31 nice FoxFireX :) Dec 14 22:38:02 I'm nothing if not sympathetic. Wait, that's not the right word. What is it again? Ah yes, callous. :) Dec 14 22:39:30 from what i understand, sprint lets you re-up every year? Dec 14 22:39:36 if you resign a 2 year committment? Dec 14 22:39:39 and get a new phone Dec 14 22:39:53 so im not so concerned. 12 months is not very long Dec 14 22:41:21 heh i got my pre thru bestbuy's price mistake, i was due for an upgrade anyways, but even after im still eligble for a upgrade ;p Dec 14 22:47:11 biting nails at this being reviewed! haha Dec 14 22:47:24 went into this state this morning early...so the moment of truth is definitely coming up! Dec 14 22:47:36 im guessing i'm all clear though, i only needed to do the help scene, and that was all that was in the feedback Dec 14 22:47:52 If that's all there was, then assuming the help scene is good, you should be fine. Dec 14 22:48:01 :) i was stunned that's all there was Dec 14 22:48:08 Just kick back and relax. Who knows when they're actually doing the followup review. Dec 14 22:48:08 i just figured being so new @ it i would hose something major Dec 14 22:48:21 well it went from "queued for review" this morning to "being reviewed" Dec 14 22:48:24 so id say its active Dec 14 22:48:32 Well, bear in mind there's a limited list of things they're looking for, usually. Based on that checklist. Dec 14 22:48:48 Well, it's been assigned to someone at the least. They might be off grabbing a doughnut. ;) Dec 14 22:49:00 plus my account manager has been great at expediting Dec 14 22:49:19 I feel lucky that I got some good human interface tips in my submission, but I'm not sure if they're going to that level on apps now. Dec 14 22:49:37 (Expediting a doughnut, I'll bet. ;) *kidding*) Dec 14 22:49:45 hahaha :) Dec 14 22:53:51 hey everyone Dec 14 22:54:09 I can't seem to install my application on the hardware -- palm-install: FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE Dec 14 22:54:36 Okay, stupid question, do you not have enough install space? :) Dec 14 22:54:36 I can get in as root, and see that /var is very empty, have no apps installed really Dec 14 22:54:39 JoeLastPass what version of the OS do you have on your pre? Dec 14 22:54:45 what version if the OS is your sdk? Dec 14 22:55:05 JoeLastPass if you have 131 on the pre, you MUST update your sdk to 131 or you can not install apps Dec 14 22:55:16 also JoeLastPass - make sure you update your plugins in eclipse if you're using that IDE Dec 14 22:55:53 Rick_work 1.3.1 on the pre where can I check sdk version? the emu says 1.1 I guess that's the version Dec 14 22:56:07 download the new sdk joe Dec 14 22:59:49 hoping Palm adds more canvas support soon Dec 14 22:59:53 i want to be able save the canvas Dec 14 22:59:58 to a persons library Dec 14 23:00:04 of images Dec 14 23:00:56 Probably will have to wait until we get a proper file I/O API. Dec 14 23:01:18 :( Dec 14 23:02:18 Well, I mean, it's creating a file, innit? Dec 14 23:03:23 nodnod that's the problem firefox. Dec 14 23:03:38 * FoxFireX flinches, and isn't a browser. ;) Dec 14 23:04:08 Some malicious malware app could make a canvas with color values that are a script or program that does bad things, then save it and call it. :-) Evil canvas-ers. Dec 14 23:06:07 I was trying to think of a way to do it via the set wallpaper call. I think there's an API for that, right? Dec 14 23:06:38 Hmm... limited to on-device files. How the heck is that wallpaper switcher supposed to work then? Or is the one that downloads new images homebrew only right now? Dec 14 23:06:56 I have this as part of my command menu model: Dec 14 23:07:04 {toggleCmd:'movies',items:[{label: $L('Movies'), command:'movies'}, {label: $L('Theatres'), command:'theatres',selected:true}]}, Dec 14 23:07:12 you can download images.... Dec 14 23:07:28 but movies is selected by default, where as theatres (the second one) should be Dec 14 23:08:32 Delicious - right there with you. Currently the only way to save a canvas is with a screenshot Dec 14 23:09:02 We have been looking for this and many other pieces ad well. Dec 14 23:09:48 Most of this stuff can be done in java Dec 14 23:10:15 But we don't have java here Dec 14 23:10:19 We need like a giant java service that adds api support for maybe of the simple but doable I/O tasks... and try to get palm to approve it for official apps. Dec 14 23:10:29 But there's java in your phone, a lot of it. Many Palm services are Java. Dec 14 23:10:48 Right, I doubt palm will support it Dec 14 23:10:58 Totally not, but it's super-doable. Dec 14 23:11:08 Yeah I agree Dec 14 23:11:21 m55: I've got something like that, trying to find the magic bits, hang on. Dec 14 23:11:54 FoxFireX: I figured it out, the toggleCmd:'movies' part at the beginning is what you have to set, the selected:true doesn't do anything Dec 14 23:11:57 Also any app that uses calls to that will be rejected if palm doesn't support it Dec 14 23:12:12 But I agree zsoc Dec 14 23:12:16 Ah, there it is. Yeah. Okay. :) Dec 14 23:13:01 CTLAdvance-webos: Right, but it's possible, if only certain Palm-trusted developers were working on it, they would allow for install (or push) a custom java service that supported additional API's that Palm deemed "safe" without them actually having supplied the service. Dec 14 23:13:07 I don't know, maybe it's pipedreaming, ignore me. Dec 14 23:13:31 /ignore zsoc Dec 14 23:13:34 how can you specify what kind of transition happens when you pop/push/swap scenes? Dec 14 23:13:47 :) Dec 14 23:13:51 FoxFireX: you break my heart :> Dec 14 23:14:01 Hey, just following orders, man! Dec 14 23:14:05 lol Dec 14 23:14:14 like a fade transition, or no transition, or a slide transition Dec 14 23:15:05 Hmmm Dec 14 23:16:43 * FoxFireX debates the relative merits of killing his eyesight by continuing to type in the quickly-fading light, versus risking life and limb by performing a lapcatectomy. Dec 14 23:28:57 omg Dec 14 23:28:58 guys Dec 14 23:29:08 I'm so so so sorry for anyone who's ever had to do chat support Dec 14 23:29:45 I'm not. You can say some pretty crazy stuff. Dec 14 23:33:10 Adora Dec 14 23:33:18 apparently customers hate Sprint AND palm support Dec 14 23:33:22 my customers at least Dec 14 23:34:54 Adora: isn't chat support umm.. "overseas"? Dec 14 23:35:23 And that's all the feedback I have received regarding the chat support is that it is "horrible" at the least. Dec 14 23:35:26 I don't know about ours, but this comcast rep is definitely having some trouble with her prepositions Dec 14 23:35:40 I just. Want. Internet. Dec 14 23:35:40 Ah, you're on our side of it, then. :) Dec 14 23:35:50 Adora... C-O-X! Dec 14 23:36:06 I got all the internet you could ever need.. Dec 14 23:36:17 But is it... Comcastic? Dec 14 23:36:26 * zsoc loves cox Dec 14 23:36:27 What, Pixi+freeTether isn't working out for you? Dec 14 23:36:35 * FoxFireX is in a Time Warner stranglehold, he knows nothing of these other guys anyway. Dec 14 23:36:48 I mean I am sure you got like bookoo's of "demo" units just lying around your apartment and junk. Dec 14 23:37:19 oh comcast Dec 14 23:37:22 * FoxFireX took a few moments to figure out that beaucoups. Dec 14 23:37:24 gotta love their service Dec 14 23:37:26 dBsooner: I was using a free sprint 4g card Dec 14 23:37:33 see. Dec 14 23:37:35 then 4g quit working after a few days Dec 14 23:37:42 and 3g isn't fast enough? Dec 14 23:37:54 No, it's not G enough. Dec 14 23:37:55 so demanding, females these days. Dec 14 23:37:55 then I accepted an update and it's all roaming now Dec 14 23:38:02 1xRTT Dec 14 23:38:11 YOuCH. Dec 14 23:38:15 yeeeeeeah Dec 14 23:38:17 D-I-A-L-UP. Dec 14 23:38:51 and I've been waiting forever to find if I can get uverse, and I can't Dec 14 23:38:51 That's what i like about Cox. All the calls are answered in-state. Dec 14 23:38:55 by in-house reps. Dec 14 23:38:59 so whatever, I'll get comcast Dec 14 23:39:12 which has that Extreme 50 plan, so that's cool Dec 14 23:39:22 * dBsooner puts a big wad of cotten in Adora's mouth! DON"T SAY UVERSE! Dec 14 23:39:33 said 79.95 a month for six months, then 99/mo after that Dec 14 23:39:35 coolness Dec 14 23:39:35 cotton* Dec 14 23:39:36 BUT Dec 14 23:40:01 THEN FORCED TO CHAT WITH JOHANNA MCTECHSUPPORT Dec 14 23:40:29 wow Dec 14 23:40:30 who's making me do everything over again Dec 14 23:40:31 thats expensive Dec 14 23:40:32 you're doing it online? Dec 14 23:40:38 AND that plan isn't available here Dec 14 23:40:49 which is f@(#*&$*@( fasle advertising Dec 14 23:40:50 Adora: lol.. thats horrible. Dec 14 23:40:53 o.m.g.! Dec 14 23:41:00 (the promo's not available here) Dec 14 23:41:03 Adora: and I am getting tired of your name.. you need to change. Dec 14 23:41:05 i think i got drag working right Dec 14 23:41:08 whatever. Dec 14 23:41:14 give. me. Internet. Dec 14 23:41:22 swap&drop w/ drag support coming soon ;D Dec 14 23:41:33 its not false advertising.. aI am sure they say in the disclaimer or fine print "Geographic restrictions may apply" Dec 14 23:42:00 Adora: Every dang time I see those silly Adoraboots on Tv.. or hear about them on the radio.. it makes me scream. Dec 14 23:42:01 Adora: Here you go, with 4999 to spare: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/e/e2/5000_internets.jpg/350px-5000_internets.jpg Dec 14 23:42:08 dBsooner: this is all after I entered my address to see what's avail in my area Dec 14 23:42:30 ahh, then false advertising it is. Dec 14 23:42:31 "How would you like to sign up in this service today"? Dec 14 23:42:33 what???? Dec 14 23:42:40 by credit card Dec 14 23:42:41 LOL Dec 14 23:42:45 she wants your numbers Dec 14 23:42:50 they want you to get in the service Dec 14 23:43:08 its a series of tubes Dec 14 23:43:10 at least she gets the nouns right. Dec 14 23:43:13 so it makes sense to be in it Dec 14 23:43:20 palm's chat doesn't even get that right half the time. Dec 14 23:43:27 lol Dec 14 23:43:33 time to test on device Dec 14 23:44:16 so do you own Adoraboots? Dec 14 23:44:21 dBsooner: wtf is adoraboots Dec 14 23:44:52 old navy i think Dec 14 23:45:30 adoraboots is a monkey on that kid's tv show Dec 14 23:46:06 how do you ssh into the emulator? Dec 14 23:46:24 localhost port 5522 Dec 14 23:46:43 or set up a second host-only vboxnet0 interface and use that Dec 14 23:47:57 I got my letter from palm Dec 14 23:49:08 What's it say? Dec 14 23:49:43 "Dear kesne...please stop submitting pornographic applications. Thank you. <3 Palm" Dec 14 23:49:52 Haha Dec 14 23:49:55 Not quite Dec 14 23:50:01 The "holidy bonus" Dec 14 23:50:06 Just in time for Festivus! Dec 14 23:50:25 Ah. I get that the second week of every month Dec 14 23:51:41 Kesne: Mine came in too. Pretty cool. :) Thanks, Palm! Dec 14 23:51:55 Now I have to battle the 50/app fee Dec 14 23:52:48 I wish I'd been able to get more together before that fee goes into effect, but I figure it's better to make it quality rather than rush a placeholder out that'll get reamed in reviews. Dec 14 23:53:13 FoxFireX: my idea was create a bunch of new empty apps Dec 14 23:53:13 hey kesne, swipe/drag is working ;D Dec 14 23:53:24 submit them and wait for rejection Dec 14 23:53:34 then you have free, clean slates Dec 14 23:53:46 Umm isnt that still waived if you were part of the early access program Dec 14 23:53:51 Abuse the system much? :) Dec 14 23:54:04 No, I think once they turn on the fee, it's on for everyone. Dec 14 23:54:07 CTLAdvance: nope :( Dec 14 23:54:28 (Good lord, if it's not, we'll start getting team apps for Lacrosse, Rugby, Polo, Curling...) Dec 14 23:55:24 LOL Dec 14 23:55:47 hey david Dec 14 23:55:59 I know the 99 fee is waived Dec 14 23:56:07 if your EAD Dec 14 23:56:37 Yes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 14 23:56:40 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 14 23:57:06 2009 Dec 14 23:57:25 LOL Dec 14 23:57:38 hey david Dec 14 23:58:00 I know the 99 fee is waived Dec 14 23:58:04 if your EAD Dec 14 23:58:48 Yes Dec 14 23:58:49 for year #1 Dec 14 23:58:52 ugh Dec 14 23:59:01 mmm thats not what the article said Dec 14 23:59:06 but I might be wrong Dec 14 23:59:08 Looks like Palm won't be waving the fee Dec 14 23:59:09 either way Dec 14 23:59:13 I may have to say goodbye to you all Dec 14 23:59:19 When does it go into effect? Dec 15 00:00:33 It goes live then the new dev program does Dec 15 00:00:41 any second now Dec 15 00:01:40 ugh Dec 15 00:01:40 great Dec 15 00:01:41 Yeah Dec 15 00:01:41 so I have to shell out 150 this week Dec 15 00:01:41 for 3 new apps Dec 15 00:01:42 I'm saying goodbye to webOS if I fall victim Dec 15 00:01:42 Yep Dec 15 00:01:42 I had 5 apps planned for dec. Dec 15 00:01:43 Which I now am rushing to finish Dec 15 00:01:43 Then what are you doing here, man? Hurry! :) Dec 15 00:01:43 Jon, I know you troll this place, so please, stop the madness Dec 15 00:01:47 look what you did Dec 15 00:01:48 Madness? This is Netsplit! Dec 15 00:01:50 i had an app i want to submit also Dec 15 00:01:50 What happened? Dec 15 00:01:50 lol Dec 15 00:01:51 IRC issue. Server disconnected, so the folks on that server can't see us anymore. It'll reconnect in a few minutes. Dec 15 00:01:52 that was strange Dec 15 00:01:52 I felt like I did something Dec 15 00:01:55 Just wait for everyone to rejoin at once. Dec 15 00:02:19 Speak of the devils. Dec 15 00:02:19 SEE THAT JON? THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MESS WITH ME! Dec 15 00:02:20 That was just a demonstration Dec 15 00:02:20 Want to see that happen to Palm.com? Dec 15 00:02:47 umm Dec 15 00:02:55 I think jon did that not you Dec 15 00:03:13 No no, it was me Dec 15 00:03:27 ... Dec 15 00:04:19 I don't know... Perhaps you've angered the Jon, and he has laid his wrath upon us. Dec 15 00:04:53 Yea, though we walk through the valley of split... Dec 15 00:09:39 Hmm Dec 15 00:09:49 I just made a program to submit blank applications Dec 15 00:10:12 Does about 1 every 1-2 minutes depending on the browser speed Dec 15 00:13:06 Would be funny if some of them got approved. Dec 15 00:14:31 damn power Dec 15 00:24:12 how do you get the debugger to stop running/stopping the program at breakpoints Dec 15 00:47:13 Adora|Home: ping Dec 15 00:49:05 Anybody know how to add a background image to a list row? Dec 15 00:49:50 haven't tried it. Dec 15 00:50:14 can't you just put a div in the row template with css class? Dec 15 00:58:53 reality - check out the style matters app Dec 15 00:58:57 it has several examples Dec 15 00:59:26 how do I get the current url of a webview? Dec 15 00:59:52 since I cannot modify the browser, I'm going to try and turn webview into a full featured browser that I can modify Dec 15 00:59:59 hey guys Dec 15 01:00:44 everytime i try to download an app in the catalog - it says "download canceled" at the bottom and goes to app catalog not avaliable Dec 15 01:00:44 hiya decimate Dec 15 01:01:00 you on wifi or evdo? Dec 15 01:01:09 sounds like a bad net connection Dec 15 01:01:21 hello...quick question: Does anyone know how to query the scene name that a scene controller object is associated with? Dec 15 01:01:36 Decimate: COULD BE YOUR AIRAVE Dec 15 01:01:41 oh, wow, caps Dec 15 01:02:34 Basically....I want to pass the scene controller object to the constructor of a class and then execute a conditional based on the scene name Dec 15 01:02:49 prototypic: wifi Dec 15 01:03:06 Thank you Palm for the Amazon gift card Dec 15 01:03:45 yeah, i clicked update avaliable for one app that needs updating.. same thing happened. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 15 01:17:43 2009 Dec 15 01:22:21 Anybody know how to add a background to a list row? Not a list. Just the row Dec 15 01:23:46 Nevermind Dec 15 01:23:54 ok for some reason my new game animation broke on its first use, but then after that it works Dec 15 01:52:37 hmmm Dec 15 01:52:42 i may buy pictureit **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 15 02:11:45 2009 Dec 15 02:11:50 it didnt recognize the disconnect and left me in the channel Dec 15 02:11:58 able to post msg's into oblivion Dec 15 02:12:09 prototypic: lol oh it's about a complaint? put it on the wiki :P Dec 15 02:12:46 it's not a complaint, just habit, I document bugs at work Dec 15 02:12:54 you guys ever heard of rssbus? Dec 15 02:13:05 Well, technically, you were still in the channel, ne? On a split, there are two instances of the channel, they just aren't talking to each other. Dec 15 02:13:27 FoxFireX I realised that once I said it here Dec 15 02:13:44 it's been a while since I irc'd but yea that's how splits work Dec 15 02:13:51 That's why I wondered what you meant about not handling it. Dec 15 02:15:08 slick yui data table works in pre webkit Dec 15 02:15:10 FoxFireX: did you just end a sentence with ",ne"? Dec 15 02:15:20 Hai. Dec 15 02:15:25 * prototypic does happy dance Dec 15 02:16:26 FoxFireX: sorry, once more, did you just end a sentence with ",ね" in roomaji in an english speaking channel? :P Dec 15 02:16:53 :) Dec 15 02:16:56 :> Dec 15 02:17:32 Would you prefer I use something else, eh? Dec 15 02:17:47 Lol, Canadian is a bit better ;) Dec 15 02:20:14 For what it's worth, it's just a random verbal tick I've picked up. Don't use it often, but I very much type as I talk. Dec 15 02:22:39 oh yea, is there a property I can get that will tell me the actual url of a webview? Dec 15 02:22:52 say after navigating to a new page Dec 15 02:22:54 ooh i got my thing from palm ;D Dec 15 02:22:59 definately better than a sticker Dec 15 02:23:21 damn it every time Dec 15 02:23:27 I ask that question Dec 15 02:23:28 I didn't get no thing from palm Dec 15 02:24:00 * haeffb sad Dec 15 02:24:32 this phone has been great to me Dec 15 02:26:08 dawm: I broke my Pre screen and lived with a Touch Diamond (which was an awesome phone when I got it) for two days. Was a horrible two days. Dec 15 02:26:20 lol Dec 15 02:26:44 my touchscreen broke, but i wasnt leaving the store without a phone so i left with mine until they got my replacement Dec 15 02:27:01 * haeffb doesn't buy from store Dec 15 02:27:02 i figured out why and how the screen would go out so i could get it working again, but was rather annoying Dec 15 02:27:17 the usb port was janky or something if i wiggled it the touchscreen would work again Dec 15 02:27:41 but a quick close of the kb would knock it out again Dec 15 02:27:43 I could use the left half of my cracked screen. Made some things kinda difficult Dec 15 02:28:05 how's swapndrop coming Dec 15 02:28:17 future versions of webos should make key combos for all gestures Dec 15 02:28:24 heh Dec 15 02:28:32 prototypic: AGREED! Dec 15 02:29:02 with key combos, I could have avoided the Diamond experiment Dec 15 02:29:14 i totally misused scriptaculous's drag feature Dec 15 02:29:25 it works but im pretty sure its not how its supposed to be used :P Dec 15 02:29:40 dawm, in a pre app? Dec 15 02:29:45 yeh Dec 15 02:29:51 mojo.drag is a real drag to use Dec 15 02:29:53 * haeffb is the king of "it works, so...OK." Dec 15 02:30:04 haeffb, my mogul died on me which is what brought me into best buy on the day of the uber pricemistake Dec 15 02:30:21 and your life is changed forever! Dec 15 02:30:48 id be farther along if i didnt get lazy for 3 months Dec 15 02:31:34 didnt touch my game for 3 months heh but the old janky version still gets downloads in homebrew Dec 15 02:31:55 don't feel bad. I'm in the middle of a three month period where I don't have time for any development. Other hobbies get in the way. Dec 15 02:32:55 I'm stuck getting my first app out, knowing that I'm going to miss the opportunity for early access if I dont get something out asap Dec 15 02:33:34 prototypic, that was my rush in novemeber, but then i got in so that worry was over Dec 15 02:35:35 im on pain meds for a kidney stone so I can't focus, it sucks. Dec 15 02:37:50 anyway expect to see my delicious bookmark manager app on the appstore soon, hopefully Dec 15 02:37:59 app catalog Dec 15 02:38:01 :P Dec 15 02:38:07 even tho its more of an app bag Dec 15 02:38:07 er.. yea Dec 15 02:38:27 man its hard getting used to dragging instead of tapping.. but its a great change Dec 15 02:44:34 howdy Dec 15 02:44:39 sup Dec 15 02:44:51 man i had the most annoying issue last night Dec 15 02:44:58 and it came down to somethign stupid, with a stupid fix Dec 15 02:45:17 where do all the values for the help file get populated? meaning where do I input that info Dec 15 02:45:27 what was the stupid fix? Dec 15 02:45:35 appinfo.json i believe Dec 15 02:45:59 i had a var with number in it, say 456, and i wanted to add to that, so var+4 should have been 460 right? nope.. was turning into 4564 Dec 15 02:46:00 how do you retrieve the controller for a widget like a list Dec 15 02:46:17 stupid fix was to times the var by 1. var = var*1 turned it back into an int Dec 15 02:46:37 dawn: that's the problem with weakly typed languages Dec 15 02:46:39 couldnt for the life of me figure out why the var was skyrocketing in size heh Dec 15 02:46:56 im used to php, where + means add Dec 15 02:47:03 and . means combine Dec 15 02:47:09 i had a stupid fix this morning: was getting an undefined "var info;" fix var info = ''; (defined) Dec 15 02:47:14 have to be careful with unwanted type casts Dec 15 02:47:41 dawm: it is those little bugs that really suck Dec 15 02:47:46 yeah Dec 15 02:48:04 i had so much mojo.log.info output it was crazy trying to find it Dec 15 02:48:11 i think thats why mojo.drag wasnt working as i wanted heh Dec 15 02:48:17 wasted like 1-2 hours to figure out the simple ='' Dec 15 02:49:12 this drag/swipe feature as so much math and vars taht have to be checked just incase its soo confusing, im glad i can understand it all now Dec 15 02:49:43 so I notice that most jquery animation effects dont work in this browser, do any frameworks beside mojo have working animations that work on pre? Dec 15 02:50:48 prototypic, scriptaculos works Dec 15 02:50:57 any prototype based lib should Dec 15 02:51:06 so prototype then ok Dec 15 02:52:46 dawm: "+" in javascript is "."? Dec 15 02:52:52 yeah Dec 15 02:52:59 really, that is nuts Dec 15 02:53:02 'apple'+'sauce' = applesauce Dec 15 02:53:11 yeah true Dec 15 02:53:13 in php 'apple'.'sauce' = applesauce Dec 15 02:53:23 but then 1.1 = 2? Dec 15 02:53:29 no Dec 15 02:53:32 1+1 = 2 Dec 15 02:53:37 1.1 would be an error Dec 15 02:53:46 . combines strings Dec 15 02:53:52 or string vars Dec 15 02:54:20 in jscript + adds if they're integers, and combines if strings Dec 15 02:54:30 like php? "hello'. $var . "world" .... Dec 15 02:54:36 so var = '1234' is a string, var = 1234; is integer Dec 15 02:54:37 yeh Dec 15 02:54:39 FWIW, when I have JS typing issues, I tend to try to use String(varName) or Number(varName) to make it more explicit what I'm doing. Dec 15 02:55:00 i didnt know those existed ;p Dec 15 02:55:03 ok got, yeah. kinda new at building everything in javascript Dec 15 02:55:05 this is my first dabble in jscript Dec 15 02:55:40 Lots of stuff in JS folks don't know exist. Is why I share. :) Dec 15 02:55:50 used to mostly php and some ajax calls in javascript not 90% javascript and 10% cloud php Dec 15 02:56:55 I've worked on a true abomination of an application and work that calls for quite a bit of JS, so I really didn't feel too out of place in this environment. Dec 15 02:57:29 thanks for the heads up, so far all prototype animations I try are working on pre webkit Dec 15 02:58:01 Lonestar, I'm still writing most of my app server side. Dec 15 02:58:37 I'm in the same boat as you, I'm used to minor js and mostly asp or php Dec 15 02:58:46 hi all! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 15 02:59:57 2009