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Dec 15 03:03:24 <FoxFireX> Haven't seen this many splitters since the Judean People's Front.
Dec 15 03:08:50 <LoneStar34> is the icon for help called "icon32x32.png" or "32x32.png" ?
Dec 15 03:21:49 <LoneStar34> have build help file but for reason no icons are showing up anyone what it could be?
Dec 15 03:23:38 <dawm> odd
Dec 15 03:23:48 <dawm> you cant have Mojo.Menu.editItem as the first menu item if you assign it
Dec 15 03:23:57 <dawm> it errors
Dec 15 03:24:46 <LoneStar34> so I should have the help menu widget stuff on the top of other code?
Dec 15 03:24:58 <dawm> no
Dec 15 03:25:10 <dawm> there just has to be a menu item that is custom as the firs titem
Dec 15 03:25:24 <dawm> basically you cant mimic the default items, unless you throw an item at the top
Dec 15 03:25:37 <dawm> even {} still shows a seperator
Dec 15 03:26:00 <LoneStar34> ok, let me check it out
Dec 15 03:29:00 <dawm> you have to have omitDefaultItems: true in the attributes, so you can manually set the placement
Dec 15 03:29:05 <dawm> but if you put Mojo.Menu.editItem at the top, it errors
Dec 15 03:29:42 <LoneStar34> where do I add the "omitDefaultItems:true"
Dec 15 03:30:00 <dawm> http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Menu.html#.appMenu
Dec 15 03:30:03 <jfelectron> in the menu widget instatation
Dec 15 03:30:06 <LoneStar34> the thing is I need the edit menu for "copy and paste"
Dec 15 03:30:16 <dawm> oh you can
Dec 15 03:30:27 <dawm> i was just trying to remove an issue with a submenu of mine
Dec 15 03:30:50 <dawm> it renders as both a submenu and an item, so it has a double line underneath
Dec 15 03:31:09 <dawm> but looking at the stock browser app which has a custom submenu, it doesnt show the line so i was playing around
Dec 15 03:33:07 <LoneStar34> reading the appMenu pages
Dec 15 03:40:21 <fiftycal> anyone here dev mainly on mac?
Dec 15 03:44:10 <sugardave> dawm: ping
Dec 15 03:44:17 <dawm> ?
Dec 15 03:45:17 <fiftycal> well.. I finally figured out my issue... for the curious, I was failing at the incredibly complex task of displaying an image in the HTML of my view. :)
Dec 15 03:45:38 <fiftycal> palm inspector let me know that I am "Not allowed to load a local resource"
Dec 15 03:45:41 <dawm> sugardave, pong
Dec 15 03:45:51 <fiftycal> so I guess I will have to do this as a div with background css.
Dec 15 03:46:19 <dawm> huh
Dec 15 03:49:07 <fiftycal> dawm, are you on a mac, windows or linux?
Dec 15 03:49:35 <dawm> windows, but my hackintosh is setup almost identical to my windows enviroment (komodo IDE + webos addon)
Dec 15 03:50:20 <fiftycal> on mac, do you have a refresh button on palm inspector?
Dec 15 03:50:32 <dawm> palm inspector has tons of issues
Dec 15 03:50:38 <dawm> i dont really use it
Dec 15 03:50:42 <dawm> but it should be the same ui
Dec 15 03:50:47 <dawm> its the webkit inspector
Dec 15 03:50:52 <fiftycal> ok, just making sure it's not just me. :)
Dec 15 03:51:18 <fiftycal> why did they stop distributing plamhost?  Did palmhost do anything special other than serve web content?
Dec 15 03:51:30 <dawm> no clue
Dec 15 03:52:06 <fiftycal> OK.  So you do you inspect your DOM while developing? Or do you just build > look > build > look. :)
Dec 15 03:52:19 <dawm> build > look > repeat
Dec 15 03:52:23 <fiftycal> ouch
Dec 15 03:52:28 <dawm> unless im seriously stumped
Dec 15 03:52:32 <dawm> then i try to get inspector working
Dec 15 03:52:42 <dawm> but that usually requires restarting the emulator a few times
Dec 15 03:57:37 <jfelectron> Palm Inspector works less than 25% of the time for me
Dec 15 03:57:46 <jfelectron> Running on OSX
Dec 15 03:58:15 <jfelectron> even when it 'works'....the only DOM it displays is that of index.html which is useless
Dec 15 03:58:46 <jfelectron> Maybe I'm missing something but there seems to be no way to inspect the entire stack
Dec 15 03:59:13 <Dan_> Evening everyone, anyone know if webOs is working with m3u playlists?
Dec 15 03:59:22 <jfelectron> the webkit debugger in Safari and Chrome gives you access to the entire 'stack'
Dec 15 03:59:48 <Dan_> I am trying to use an audio object to connect to an m3u link, but nothing plays.
Dec 15 04:01:43 <Dan_> Nobody has any experience getting m3u to work on webOs?
Dec 15 04:05:29 <dawm> i think tomorrow ill work on my app logging system, so i can stop starring at the database data
Dec 15 04:06:44 <fiftycal> jfelectron: ah... chrome
Dec 15 04:07:11 <jfelectron> the webkit debugger in general is mighty sweet
Dec 15 04:07:18 <fiftycal> jfelectron: did you set up your own local webserver or just pull the local files?  assuming you set up a webserver. Did you have to do anything special?
Dec 15 04:07:58 <jfelectron> fiftycal: Oh....I meant the web stack.....not Mojo
Dec 15 04:08:19 <jfelectron> I use it to debug non Mojo dependent components
Dec 15 04:08:27 <fiftycal> do you do any kind of debugging for Mojo apps?
Dec 15 04:08:30 <fiftycal> if so, how?
Dec 15 04:08:57 <jfelectron> Yes.....painfully with the command line debugger and Mojo.Log
Dec 15 04:09:12 <jfelectron> the debugger works well....just painfully
Dec 15 04:09:25 <jfelectron> the inspector is useless
Dec 15 04:09:48 <jfelectron> for CSS debugging....its tweak, build, see....repeat X times
Dec 15 04:10:12 <fiftycal> I mean, the consensus seems to be that Palm Inspector is 'in beta' and we now have no palm-host. so there seems to be no way to inspect the DOM other than lather, rinse, repeat ad nauseum.
Dec 15 04:10:59 <jfelectron> that's my understanding....it takes dedication to say the least
Dec 15 04:12:48 <fiftycal> ok. thanks.
Dec 15 04:17:01 <reality9110> Good day today
Dec 15 04:18:41 <dawm> hrm
Dec 15 04:18:53 <dawm> app has been 'being reviewed' all day yet its never even been launched :P
Dec 15 04:19:31 <reality9110> $375 for the app
Dec 15 04:20:12 <dawm> welp bed time
Dec 15 04:29:35 <sugardave> now that you're all here....
Dec 15 04:31:40 <LoneStar34> dawm: got the help menu working, it was missing a css file
Dec 15 04:32:07 <JangKro> Interesting situation, I'm using a GSM Palm Pre that has all the Sprint apps on it, this suggests it was somehow flashed or somesuch ... now that I'm trying to install webos quick install (which requires webos doctor), I'm not sure if I should download webos doctor for sprint or for GSM ??  Since it seems it's for the driver itself I'd guess the GSM one ?
Dec 15 04:32:41 <JangKro> I didn't even realize Spring was CDMA only
Dec 15 04:33:58 <JangKro> Which one ya'll think I should try first ... webos gsm or webos sprint cdma to install webos quick install
Dec 15 04:38:05 <drs> having trouble installing my app on the phone..
Dec 15 04:38:23 <drs> it installs on the emulator fine
Dec 15 04:38:55 <drs> running: palm-install -d usb com.company.gpslogger_0.0.1_all.ipk
Dec 15 04:39:18 <drs> gives me "palm-install: FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE"
Dec 15 04:40:07 <drs> but i should have plenty of space
Dec 15 04:41:10 <drs> df shows 197.4MB avilable in /var (50.6 MB used)
Dec 15 04:41:49 <drs> do i need to manually mount / read/write?
Dec 15 04:44:07 <JangKro> drivers definitely don't work on my xp64, will download the gsm ones
Dec 15 06:04:13 <LoneStar34> what is the easiest  way to  make a hidden text field in webos?
Dec 15 06:23:21 <LoneStar34> anyone here messed created hidden text fields on webos?
Dec 15 07:31:41 <rbredow> I'm probably offending someone with this poll I just posted on the dev forums entitled "App Spam?"  Care to vote?    http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3859
Dec 15 07:35:16 <LoneStar34> voted!
Dec 15 07:35:41 <rbredow> Thanks.
Dec 15 07:35:54 <LoneStar34> yeah it sucks
Dec 15 07:36:40 <LoneStar34> been waiting since late November for a review and response from palm for a simple app....
Dec 15 07:36:50 <rbredow> That has to make it twice as annoying.
Dec 15 07:37:02 <LoneStar34> all those apps can be built into one
Dec 15 07:37:33 <LoneStar34> it is like instead of selling book, I am selling each page
Dec 15 07:37:54 <rbredow> Yup.  I'm not sure the "multiple app" strategy really works anyway.  They've been out all day and mostly have 0 downloads.  I don't think it gives a good impression to the customer either.
Dec 15 07:38:07 <rbredow> (Or, the download counter is stuck)
Dec 15 07:38:17 <sugardave> rbredow: I think it's currently working
Dec 15 07:38:37 <LoneStar34> it looks like a cheap dollar store full of cheap chinese made products
Dec 15 07:38:51 <rbredow> I think so too.  Watching the Paratrooper counter has been very exciting for me.  (Probably more exciting than it should be!)
Dec 15 07:39:15 <rbredow> Anyone know if they are selling the "Featured App" spot or if you can request to be featured?
Dec 15 07:40:03 <sugardave> not sure how it works...I saw someone say that if your app has a 4-star average you can talk to your contact and see what's up
Dec 15 07:42:28 <LoneStar34> anyone know how to build a hidden text field propely for webos? can i simply use a generic '<input type="hidden" value="0" id="abc">' ??
Dec 15 07:43:29 <sugardave> LoneStar34: do you really HAVE to have one?  you can "hide" anything in some variable in code and use it whenever
Dec 15 07:43:35 <rbredow> I would guess so.  I made a form like that with standard html that worked just fine (but I didn't need a hidden field).
Dec 15 07:45:06 <LoneStar34> I am building an ajax pagination system, and the easiest way is to send the onclick value to a hidden text file
Dec 15 07:46:37 <sugardave> to me that sounds like "banana banana banana" because, you see, sadly....I don't know the first thing about forms/submits/etc
Dec 15 07:46:57 <sugardave> I would just send whatever page command in my ajax request
Dec 15 07:48:49 <LoneStar34> sugardave: yeah, I am thinking of different methods, have done the hidden text way at http://buildasearch.com/search/
Dec 15 07:51:57 <LoneStar34> you think prototype functionality is disabled if it is used in a random  "javascript/abc.js"    instead of "app/assistants/abc.js"??
Dec 15 07:52:20 <sugardave> no, it is not
Dec 15 07:53:08 <jfelectron> I created a class the loads the populates the app menu and command menu depending on the scene. The thing I'm not sure about is how to propagate handleCommand properly. I have handleCommand as a method of the class, and each scene has has a handleCommand method that is just a cached call to the other handleCommand, but its bound to the scene's this. Will this work?
Dec 15 07:53:52 <jfelectron> Lonestar34: prototype.js is included in Mojo.js, which is globally loaded
Dec 15 07:55:30 <LoneStar34> this what I am trying to use: http://pastebin.com/d4ca4c580
Dec 15 07:57:46 <jfelectron> what happens?
Dec 15 07:57:49 <rbredow> I think I've found that you can't make an Ajax request until the first scene is loaded up.
Dec 15 07:58:03 <jfelectron> does it work in a browser with prototype.js included?
Dec 15 07:58:04 <rbredow> If you call this code from after the activate scene, does it work?
Dec 15 07:58:43 <jfelectron> your OnSuccess callback is strange
Dec 15 07:58:48 <jfelectron> its not a function??
Dec 15 07:59:31 <jfelectron> you should define a function that does all the parsing of the response and feed that function as a callback to AJAX.Request
Dec 15 07:59:49 <jfelectron> its asychronous
Dec 15 08:00:00 <jfelectron> the stuff after will run before  you get a response
Dec 15 08:00:05 <jfelectron> as it stands
Dec 15 08:00:32 <ambackstrom> cd /etc/
Dec 15 08:00:33 <ambackstrom> (sorry)
Dec 15 08:00:44 <LoneStar34> rbredow:  works the proper way, but wanted to see if it would work in a generic form
Dec 15 08:02:34 <jfelectron> generic form?
Dec 15 08:02:43 <jfelectron> You could put everything in a class
Dec 15 08:02:48 <jfelectron> I've done  that
Dec 15 08:02:53 <LoneStar34> using; <a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MoreResults()">next results</a></div>' to call the ajax
Dec 15 08:03:13 <jfelectron> you just feed the class a callback and arguments and then abstract the  AJAX request through the class methods
Dec 15 08:04:04 <LoneStar34> jfelectron: on will test it our
Dec 15 08:04:43 <jfelectron> I posted a modified version to pastebin
Dec 15 08:04:57 <jfelectron> http://pastebin.com/m32b35ec8
Dec 15 08:06:05 <LoneStar34> ok, let me try your code
Dec 15 08:06:46 <jfelectron> Very quickly done....I just encapsulated the parsing stuff into an anonymous function
Dec 15 08:07:55 <jfelectron> Test it is in a browser where you can use a REAL debugger :)
Dec 15 08:08:04 <jfelectron> Not the palm shite
Dec 15 08:08:22 <jfelectron> gtg....be back in a few...good luck
Dec 15 08:09:10 <LoneStar34> this may sound really stupid, but how do I debug in the browser; meaning execute it?  can I use firebug?
Dec 15 08:09:16 <LoneStar34> k thanls
Dec 15 08:09:20 <LoneStar34> thanks
Dec 15 08:09:36 <jfelectron> Oh crap...I didn't see that var raw line
Dec 15 08:09:53 <jfelectron> that needs to be the first line of the parseResponse function
Dec 15 08:10:06 <LoneStar34> ok
Dec 15 08:10:23 <jfelectron> create an HTML file that has your test link and also the script you're working on here
Dec 15 08:10:36 <jfelectron> you'll need to include prototype.js
Dec 15 08:10:58 <jfelectron> You can use Chrome or FF and use the javascript debugging console
Dec 15 08:11:07 <jfelectron> you can add breaks and figure out where the thing is failing
Dec 15 08:12:12 <jfelectron> ok....I'll be back
Dec 15 08:12:27 <LoneStar34> oh, ok, that is how i debugged before, i just thought there was a way to just load it and boom
Dec 15 08:13:37 <jfelectron> lol....if it works the first time...but when does that happen?
Dec 15 08:15:59 <jfelectron> Should be OnSucess: parseResponse() ..... I put the this in there out of habit
Dec 15 08:17:15 <jfelectron> if the callback is a method the scene assistant you'll want to bind it to the scene assistant 'this'
Dec 15 08:18:03 <LoneStar34> i have a propely working one that calls the actual first results, was jsut experienting with the pagination stuff
Dec 15 08:18:30 <LoneStar34> working one = "code"
Dec 15 08:22:00 <LoneStar34> hello?
Dec 15 08:22:11 <LoneStar34> ok, i got disconnected
Dec 15 08:27:17 <JoeLastPass> Is there a way to execute javascript in the mojo webview widget?
Dec 15 08:30:43 <LoneStar34> good question I am wondering the same thing....
Dec 15 08:36:00 <zomg> Isn't the webview widget basically an iframe or something?
Dec 15 08:37:31 <LoneStar34> zomg: from my tests it seems like an iframe
Dec 15 08:37:51 <zomg> Yeah, so same restrictions would apply
Dec 15 08:40:22 <LoneStar34> yeah, i would assume, so ,but was still wondering if an external js could be executed to do something locally on the device... like copy text etc...
Dec 15 08:42:37 <jfelectron> Hey guys....related to WebView...have you tried the HTML5 contenteditable attribute?
Dec 15 08:43:24 <jfelectron> ideally it would work inside an app....but I
Dec 15 08:43:31 <jfelectron> i'll take a webview widget
Dec 15 08:43:48 <fiftycal_> more rookie questions... doesn't the pixi have a different screen resolution than the pre? When I start the emulator both options say 320x480, but the pixi icon looks different.  Is this par for the course?
Dec 15 08:44:18 <jfelectron> The emulator says 320x400 for the pixi no?
Dec 15 08:44:51 <jfelectron> yeah the top one is the pixi and the bottom is the pre
Dec 15 08:45:01 <jfelectron> 320x400 for pixi 320x480 for pre
Dec 15 08:45:26 <jfelectron> are you running SDK 1.3.1.1314?
Dec 15 08:45:30 <fiftycal_> wow. reading is fundamental. :)
Dec 15 08:45:33 <fiftycal_> my mistake.
Dec 15 08:45:37 <jfelectron> lol :)
Dec 15 08:46:05 <jfelectron> when i first started using it I thought the top one was the pre and couldn't figure out why everything looked squished
Dec 15 08:46:28 <jfelectron> it took me a awhile to realize the keyboard wasn't the slider :)
Dec 15 08:46:50 <fiftycal_> ha!
Dec 15 08:46:52 <fiftycal_> :)
Dec 15 08:49:36 <jfelectron> JoeLastPass and folks: there is a setEnableJavascript method the of the WebView widget
Dec 15 08:49:50 <jfelectron> http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Widget.html#.WebView
Dec 15 08:49:52 <JoeLastPass> It's just an iframe? what a let down.  There's nothing like stringByEvaluatingJavaScriptFromString ?
Dec 15 08:50:04 <JoeLastPass> that just turns on Javascript in the frame right?
Dec 15 08:50:10 <jfelectron> correct
Dec 15 08:50:14 <LoneStar34> nice\
Dec 15 08:50:18 <JoeLastPass> yeah that's totally worthless
Dec 15 08:50:31 <jfelectron> I assume its off to prevent malicious injection
Dec 15 08:51:08 <JoeLastPass> huh? it's just for the iframe itself -- doesn't alow the power of iPhone's stringByEvaluatingJavaScriptFromString:
Dec 15 08:52:58 <jfelectron> I'm not sure exactly what you're after...but you can of course use client side processing to render the contents of the widget
Dec 15 08:53:54 <jfelectron> I'm not familiar with iPhone development....but that's primarily used for DOM manipulation eh?
Dec 15 08:54:20 <jfelectron> If you are rendering the WebView from local content...then you have access to the DOM locally
Dec 15 08:54:49 <JoeLastPass> jfelectron Sorry it's late and I'm dense: I don't see how it's possible to load external URLs and inject javascript into the webview after the page loads -- I can get the events I just can't execute script on the webview
Dec 15 08:55:41 <JoeLastPass> jfelectron it's disappointing if it's not possible, Android, Symbian, Windows Mobile, and Iphone all have it.
Dec 15 08:58:23 <jfelectron> well you can use AJAX.Request to post a GET to the url....then you have the entire page...you can do whatever you want to it on the phone before rendering it
Dec 15 08:58:51 <JoeLastPass> Ugh, that's such a hack
Dec 15 09:01:09 <jfelectron> if I understand correctly you want to directly modify the DOM of the loaded page?
Dec 15 09:01:19 <jfelectron> with client side injected JS?
Dec 15 09:01:44 <JoeLastPass> I want to execute javascript code based on events that I get (like page is done loading)
Dec 15 09:02:46 <jfelectron> You can do that...the WebView has callbacks defined for those event
Dec 15 09:03:13 <jfelectron>     Mojo.Event.webViewLoadStopped
Dec 15 09:03:23 <JoeLastPass> yeah I got that part down
Dec 15 09:03:41 <JoeLastPass> now how do I execute javascript in that event on the webview?
Dec 15 09:06:45 <JoeLastPass> e.g. this.controller.get('WebId').eval('alert("hi");');
Dec 15 09:07:03 <JoeLastPass> there's no eval method obviously
Dec 15 09:07:47 <jfelectron> I'm wondering if you can manipulate the WebView widgets model....which is presumably the page content
Dec 15 09:08:14 <jfelectron> can you used getElementbyID or the like on the content of the page?
Dec 15 09:08:35 <JoeLastPass> no that doesn't work
Dec 15 09:12:01 <jfelectron> guess we are SOL then
Dec 15 09:12:36 <jfelectron> short of the requesting the page, modifying it client side and then re-rendering it....which is ridiculous
Dec 15 09:23:44 <jfelectron> night y'all
Dec 15 09:30:34 <LoneStar34> night !
Dec 15 11:32:31 * istojic is extremely pissed off at the async nature of everything in Mojo this morning...
Dec 15 12:57:59 <jcrawford> someone here who can help me with Ubuntu for a moment?
Dec 15 12:58:18 <jcrawford> I just followed the howto on installing the sdk however when i try to launch the emulator it complains novacom must be running
Dec 15 12:58:29 <jcrawford> when I installed novacom this is what I got
Dec 15 12:58:45 <jcrawford> http://paste2.org/p/562686
Dec 15 12:59:32 <jcrawford> i would like to get the SDK working on Ubuntu so that I can get back to the WebOS stuff :)
Dec 15 13:07:05 <Bmyers_qwerty> jcrawford: did u try rebooting ? :)
Dec 15 13:08:07 <jcrawford> Bmyers_qwerty, no should i :)
Dec 15 13:08:22 <jcrawford> didn't think anything required a reboot in nix aside from kernel stuff
Dec 15 13:11:45 <Bmyers_qwerty> i'm think it may have installed kernel modules that are not loaded yet
Dec 15 13:12:03 <Bmyers_qwerty> there are other way of doing it but reboot is the easiest.
Dec 15 13:12:07 <Bmyers_qwerty> couldnt hurt!
Dec 15 13:24:24 <jcrawford> thanks Bmyers_qwerty will try that in a few
Dec 15 13:24:32 <jcrawford> need to get to a stopping point with work before i can :)
Dec 15 13:33:27 <Bmyers_qwerty> does /var/messages have any clues as to what the emu is looking for?
Dec 15 13:39:18 <Bmyers_qwerty> does Janet Nepolitano know about this?
Dec 15 14:24:44 <daveisadork> when i try to run palm-log to watch my application output, it's saying "palm-log: error 2"
Dec 15 14:24:47 <daveisadork> anyone seen this before?
Dec 15 15:04:55 <swisstomcat> hi everyone
Dec 15 15:16:01 <Bmyers_qwerty> pretty bad still this morning..
Dec 15 15:19:04 <swisstomcat> it's snowing here
Dec 15 15:32:41 <Bmyers_qwerty> OMG Magnum!!
Dec 15 15:37:48 <Rick_work> daveisadork -- never seen it.
Dec 15 15:38:10 <Rick_work> daveisadork  can you get in on terminal and do tail -f /var/log/messages ?
Dec 15 15:38:19 <Rick_work> if you can't then the problem is with your novacom drivers
Dec 15 15:38:24 <daveisadork> Rick_work: i figured out what it was... i lost power while using the emulator, trying to do an ls in /var/log reported a stale nfs file handle on messages
Dec 15 15:38:35 <Rick_work> ah
Dec 15 15:41:40 <daveisadork> so i just deleted the image... how would one go about fixing that on an actual device i wonder
Dec 15 15:42:23 <Rick_work> daveisadork -- on the emulator the fastest fix is to run  " palm-emulator --reset "  from the command line
Dec 15 15:42:44 <Rick_work> on the device I'm not sure.  Mount and unmount /var ?
Dec 15 15:42:57 <Rick_work> or rather the reverse....
Dec 15 15:48:32 <daveisadork> ok... doing "new Ajax.Request(https://..." i get no headers and blank responseText. it works with plain http, what am i missing?
Dec 15 16:03:06 <JoeLastPass> Rick_work What's the Mojo WebView equivalent of iPhone's UIWebView stringByEvaluatingJavaScriptFromString?  How do you inject javascript into a WebView from your app basically
Dec 15 16:04:18 <Rick_work> absolutely no idea JoeLastPass  -- I'm on th ephone, it may be a bit
Dec 15 16:05:54 <JoeLastPass> Rick_work Thanks -- I've tried webview.mojo.openURL("javascript:...") but unfortuantely Mojo mangles that and prepends http:// on the front
Dec 15 16:13:59 <Rick_work> JoeLastPass  put the question into the forums at developer.palm.com
Dec 15 16:14:08 <Rick_work> it's a good question
Dec 15 16:29:26 <JoeLastPass> are there any tricks with the row template for lists? I'm trying to put an image on the right for my lists, and I created a div and gave it a background image, but it won't show it unless there's text in the div itself, and creates a new row which I'm trying to avoid
Dec 15 16:30:52 <ambackstrom> Is a Mojo.Depot store persistant, and protected from other apps?
Dec 15 16:33:18 <ambackstrom> And if it's not protected, do devs normally use the com.example.app convention for the name?
Dec 15 16:33:44 <Rick_work> ambackstrom  yes
Dec 15 16:34:03 <Rick_work> but we STRONGLY urge you to use html5 sql instead of depot
Dec 15 16:34:13 <Rick_work> STRONGLY -- as in really, don't use depot.  It sucks.
Dec 15 16:34:19 <ambackstrom> ok :)
Dec 15 16:34:22 <ambackstrom> thanks for the heads up
Dec 15 16:34:23 <sugardav1> dammit, I'd love to participate in conversation
Dec 15 16:34:26 <sugardav1> but noooooo
Dec 15 16:34:52 <Rick_work> JoeLastPass  you want to put an image on your list?
Dec 15 16:35:01 <Rick_work> and you want the SAME image on all the rows of the list?
Dec 15 16:35:17 <Rick_work> or do you want different images on each row?
Dec 15 16:35:27 <JoeLastPass> Rick_work Right -- but I also want it to be clickable so I've been putting it in a div
Dec 15 16:35:56 <Rick_work> JoeLastPass if you're making it the BACKGROUND of the div, then the div has to have CONTENT or it will not be visible.
Dec 15 16:36:00 <Rick_work> Use an img tag
Dec 15 16:36:18 <JoeLastPass> Rick_work k, thanks
Dec 15 16:37:06 <Rick_work> JoeLastPass  be aware that you can still do a mojo event tap listener on ANY ELEMENT ON THE SCREEN including an img tag.
Dec 15 16:37:19 <Rick_work> Altho, in a list that's not what you do.  :-)
Dec 15 16:37:35 <Rick_work> in a list, you listen to the list, then get the originating element from the event object...
Dec 15 16:38:16 <Rick_work> so, you know that someone tapped on row X  and on element Y on that row.
Dec 15 16:40:56 <JoeLastPass> Rick_work -- I had tried that originally and it didn't work, just tried again -- with an img tag it appears to make any empty row with no image showing
Dec 15 16:41:54 <ambackstrom> anchor to "HTML5 Database Object" is broken: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1734
Dec 15 16:44:05 <JoeLastPass> Rick_work nevermind it didn't like loading my file was all -- different paths for CSS vs. Template
Dec 15 16:49:14 <swisstomcat> argh, i hate html-parsing
Dec 15 16:49:31 <swisstomcat> why can't there be an xml/json webservice to query
Dec 15 16:49:46 * swisstomcat grmbls
Dec 15 16:50:26 <swisstomcat> how would you parse <p class="details"><b>name1</b><br/>stuff1<br/>stuff2</p>
Dec 15 16:50:34 <swisstomcat> i want name1, stuff1, stuff2
Dec 15 16:51:00 <sugardave> so, one regex to return everything between the <p> tags
Dec 15 16:51:18 <sugardave> then another to return anything between any tags?
Dec 15 16:51:33 <sugardave> oh, but stuff2 is not
Dec 15 16:53:02 <sugardave> or you could do the whole child/textNode/attributeNode thing...
Dec 15 16:53:21 <swisstomcat> yeah, that's what im trying .. and hating :)
Dec 15 16:53:28 <sugardave> erg, sorry :P
Dec 15 16:55:45 <swisstomcat> a proper webservice would be better
Dec 15 16:55:54 <swisstomcat> to call
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Dec 15 17:03:28 <swisstomcat> good idea
Dec 15 17:03:41 <swisstomcat> it's the swiss public transport
Dec 15 17:03:53 <sugardave> they might be happy that you did it
Dec 15 17:20:30 <ambackstrom> what's palmhost, related to Mojo.Host.current === Mojo.Host.browser? I see some proxy stuff in examples, but don't quite understand the background
Dec 15 17:20:47 <Rick_work> swisstomcat  what are you parsing?
Dec 15 17:20:59 <Rick_work> Because there's a solution to the problem you just mentioned.
Dec 15 17:21:10 <Rick_work> (sorry that I wasn't paying attention)
Dec 15 17:21:39 <ambackstrom> ooh, think i found it: the old desktop safari debugger thing. looks obsoleted?
Dec 15 17:22:07 <Rick_work> PalmHost -- totally obsolete
Dec 15 17:22:14 <Rick_work> not updated from webOS 1.01.
Dec 15 17:22:22 <Rick_work> dead as doorknobs.
Dec 15 17:22:48 <ambackstrom> still referenced in the Data sample app, unfortunately
Dec 15 17:23:00 <Rick_work> yep.  sad that.
Dec 15 17:25:39 <fiftycal> oh, if only the tools actually worked...
Dec 15 17:26:12 <Rick_work> fiftycal what tool are you having trouble with now?
Dec 15 17:28:01 <fiftycal> Still griping about palm inspector not working.  Haven't had my coffee this morning. :)  All jokes aside, I am stunned that the change / run / look / repeat method of building UIs is actually the 'correct' way to build these app screens.
Dec 15 17:28:04 <yetdog> morning all!
Dec 15 17:28:39 <sugardave> fiftycal: how else would you do it?
Dec 15 17:29:22 <fiftycal> I thought I had a great idea about just recreating the html  / css in a completely different web app, and doing all my css fiddling there... but that won't work because I need to know what css classes and IDs mojo is adding to my elements so I know what to override.  Hence I need the Palm Inspector anyway.
Dec 15 17:29:24 <yetdog> i actually like how quick the emu is for my testing
Dec 15 17:29:40 <yetdog> CSS classes are on your system in a folder somewhere
Dec 15 17:29:46 <yetdog> i saw the post on precentral yesterday
Dec 15 17:29:54 <yetdog> i need a cheatsheet myself
Dec 15 17:30:02 <swisstomcat> rick_work: html from a website
Dec 15 17:30:10 <Rick_work> there's an excel spread sheet with all the CSS in it
Dec 15 17:30:11 <sugardave> there's a spreadsheet...but it doesn't do me any good since I don't know wth I'm looking at
Dec 15 17:30:19 <swisstomcat> rick_work: that i'm adding to the dom and then parse
Dec 15 17:30:20 <yetdog> hahaha
Dec 15 17:30:42 <fiftycal> yetdog: yeah, which is what I've been doing.  But for example, when you make a mojo button, it adds some HTML to the innerHTML of the button source, then adds some generated id and sound multiple classes to that button.
Dec 15 17:30:57 <swisstomcat> i keep hearing about palm inspector ... what is it and how do i call it?
Dec 15 17:31:00 <Rick_work> swisstomcat have you ever taken a look at YQL ?
Dec 15 17:31:07 <fiftycal> like id="blah_0_sceneX_blah" class = "palm-button primary"
Dec 15 17:31:22 <sugardave> swisstomcat: you run your app in 'inspect' mode, then inspector should be another program in your Pal SDK installation group
Dec 15 17:31:23 <swisstomcat> rick_work: yql? doesn't ring a bell ... no
Dec 15 17:31:33 <fiftycal> which would be difficult if not impossible to divine from reading the css...
Dec 15 17:31:39 <sugardave> s/Pal/Palm
Dec 15 17:31:39 <Rick_work> swisstomcat   http://developer.yahoo.com/yql/
Dec 15 17:32:12 <Rick_work> swisstomcat basically, it's a yahoo tool that lets you write sql like queries and it extracts tabluar data out of web pages for you.
Dec 15 17:32:20 <swisstomcat> sounds interesting
Dec 15 17:32:49 <swisstomcat> but wouldn't the data provider have to make adjustments?
Dec 15 17:32:56 <Rick_work> nope
Dec 15 17:33:01 <fiftycal> So does anyone have a good idea of how to get the actual HTML structure of your running app without using the very broken inspect tool?
Dec 15 17:33:09 <Rick_work> that's the whole point swisstomcat
Dec 15 17:33:20 <swisstomcat> ok, i'll read more about it :)
Dec 15 17:33:26 <Rick_work> fiftycal  sure.  it's pretty straight forward.
Dec 15 17:33:59 <Rick_work> fiftycal wrap all your scene in an outer div, and then do an ajax request to someplace and send the innerHTML of that outer div to your server.
Dec 15 17:34:06 <Rick_work> bingo,  all the everything.
Dec 15 17:34:18 <fiftycal> Rick_work: brilliant!
Dec 15 17:34:32 <Rick_work> thanks.  I try.
Dec 15 17:34:51 <Rick_work> swisstomcat  what web page are you trying to parse???
Dec 15 17:35:05 <swisstomcat> rick_work: mobile.zvv.ch
Dec 15 17:35:08 <Rick_work> fiftycal see private message.
Dec 15 17:35:37 <swisstomcat> rick_work: public transport
Dec 15 17:36:19 <Rick_work> swisstomcat  but that just brings up a query page
Dec 15 17:36:34 <Rick_work> is there an actual schedule somewhere or are you having to send it a bunch of queries?
Dec 15 17:37:12 <swisstomcat> i have to send a query first to get a session id and then a query to get the schedule and then a query to get the schedule details
Dec 15 17:37:15 <swisstomcat> e.g http://mobile2.mobile.zvv.ch/bin/query.exe/dox?seqnr=5&ident=an.0590450.1260894335&co=C4-1&vca
Dec 15 17:38:02 <Rick_work> ok,  and what you want out of it is what????
Dec 15 17:38:40 <swisstomcat> if you check the html-output of the link i posted
Dec 15 17:38:42 * FoxFireX is learning all sorts of things about unions and views.
Dec 15 17:38:46 <swisstomcat> i have to parse some details out of it
Dec 15 17:38:58 <swisstomcat> e.g <p class="details"> - <b>Effretikon</b> - <br/> S8 <br/> ab 17:19 Gl. 6        <br/> an 17:30 Gl. 1        <br/>
Dec 15 17:39:31 <swisstomcat> here i have to get effretikon,s8,a 17:19 gl. 6 and an 17:30 gl. 1 out of it
Dec 15 17:43:59 <Rick_work> swisstomcat  seems like a perfect app for yql.
Dec 15 17:45:20 <luaduck> Hey guys, got some problems setting up the WebOSEmulator in Win7 x64
Dec 15 17:45:54 <Rick_work> our sympahties luaduck
Dec 15 17:46:43 <luaduck> When I run palm-emulator.bat and tell it to create a new VM (palmSDK 400?x480), it goes for a while then up comes a huge error with modifyvm usage for virtualbox
Dec 15 17:46:50 <luaduck> Virtualbox is installed correctly
Dec 15 17:47:20 <luaduck> Basically I think the SDK is giving modifyvm invalid arguments
Dec 15 17:47:22 <luaduck> but why?
Dec 15 17:47:50 <gkatsev> luaduck: which version of virtualbox?
Dec 15 17:48:13 <luaduck> 3.1.0 rev 55467
Dec 15 17:48:18 <luaduck> do you suggest I downgrade?
Dec 15 17:48:44 <gkatsev> yes, emulator only works with 3.0.10
Dec 15 17:49:06 <luaduck> mmk
Dec 15 17:49:12 <luaduck> To the virtualbox archives!
Dec 15 17:49:40 <luaduck> whoa netsplit
Dec 15 17:49:59 <luaduck> 3.0.10-54097
Dec 15 17:50:01 <luaduck> ?
Dec 15 17:50:08 <gkatsev> yeah, should work.
Dec 15 17:50:13 <luaduck> mmk
Dec 15 17:50:14 <gkatsev> i dont think build number matters
Dec 15 17:50:19 <luaduck> gotta restart again now :(
Dec 15 17:51:02 <Rick_work> luaduck  3.0.10 should work
Dec 15 17:51:47 <leach139> yeah just uninstalling 3.1.0
Dec 15 17:52:06 <leach139> then downloading 3.0.10
Dec 15 17:52:12 <leach139> then restarting for 3.1.0
Dec 15 17:52:16 <leach139> then installing 3.0.10
Dec 15 17:52:18 <leach139> ffffff
Dec 15 17:54:27 <leach139> I'm getting my actual pre on friday, I just want to play around in a dev enviroment
Dec 15 17:54:30 <Rick_work> swisstomcat  I was wrong.  Saddly, you can't do it with that feed.
Dec 15 17:55:55 <leach139> ok brback
Dec 15 18:10:59 <ambackstrom> I'd like to dump the result of Ajax.Request for manual inspection during development. What's the "correct" way to do this?
Dec 15 18:11:17 <ambackstrom> I'm struggling with the debugger over novaterm.
Dec 15 18:11:43 <ambackstrom> ("break in mojoWindowRepainter()")
Dec 15 18:12:28 <ambackstrom> wait, not that
Dec 15 18:13:21 <ambackstrom> "scripts" is hanging now, but it was returning this before: Error: "TypeError: Cannot read property 'ref' of undefined" formatting response
Dec 15 18:13:34 <dylanmei> Mojo.Log.info(response.responseText) ?
Dec 15 18:14:00 <dylanmei> or Mojo.Log.info(Object.toJSON(response))
Dec 15 18:16:34 <balrog-kun> how do you get the geotag from pics taken with the camera app?
Dec 15 18:23:26 <istojic> ambackstrom: beware of using Mojo.Log, it has (an undefined) buffer size limit, which when reached returns spurious "nulls" everywhere
Dec 15 18:23:57 <yetdog> anyone have any idea how to make an entire row clickable, ala tweed's help scene?
Dec 15 18:24:01 <istojic> ie. if you have a very large string, just stick it on your stage into a div or something...
Dec 15 18:24:46 <istojic> yetdog: in a List?
Dec 15 18:24:53 <yetdog> yeah, short list
Dec 15 18:25:26 <istojic> yetdog: there's a Mojo.Event.listTap
Dec 15 18:25:35 <yetdog> ah duh
Dec 15 18:25:52 <istojic> i use it to make my whole row clickable in a List widget, but i'm not sure if that's what you are looking for...
Dec 15 18:26:25 <yetdog> yes definitely what i am. i only have dynamic list experience thru json, though
Dec 15 18:26:34 <yetdog> using list-container, list-entry
Dec 15 18:26:54 <yetdog> well..just thinking out loud
Dec 15 18:27:02 <yetdog> just keep it "dynamic" and set up the list object manually
Dec 15 18:27:06 <yetdog> duh matt :)
Dec 15 18:27:38 <yetdog> blah - my resubmit has been in "being reviewed" status for over 24 hrs :( hehe
Dec 15 18:28:20 <FoxFireX> See?  Doughnuts.
Dec 15 18:28:41 <yetdog> i guess so FoxFireX!
Dec 15 18:28:55 <yetdog> i thought for sure it'd be a quick one. so i pinged my manager
Dec 15 18:29:11 * FoxFireX tried to tell you, but did you listen to him, oh no, you didn't, didja?  Just a harmless little bunny...
Dec 15 18:29:22 * yetdog tucks tail between his legs
Dec 15 18:29:27 * FoxFireX kids.
Dec 15 18:29:30 <yetdog> :)
Dec 15 18:47:32 <swisstomcat> hi again
Dec 15 18:58:38 <swisstomcat> hrmm
Dec 15 18:58:49 <swisstomcat> <p><b>stuff</b>
Dec 15 18:58:52 <swisstomcat> how do i get stuff?
Dec 15 18:59:00 <swisstomcat> i thought it might be nextsibling
Dec 15 18:59:14 * swisstomcat scratches head
Dec 15 19:00:34 * FoxFireX tends to use innerHTML.
Dec 15 19:00:49 <swisstomcat> and then regex?
Dec 15 19:01:57 <FoxFireX> I tend to go down to the actual element.
Dec 15 19:02:05 <FoxFireX> <p><b id='iwantthis'>stuff</b>
Dec 15 19:02:14 <swisstomcat> the html is given :(
Dec 15 19:02:14 <FoxFireX> this.controller.get('iwantthis').innerHTML
Dec 15 19:02:25 <FoxFireX> Ah, string.
Dec 15 19:02:46 <FoxFireX> Is it always <p><b>Something</b> or might the markup change?
Dec 15 19:02:49 <swisstomcat> i would have to interpret innerhtml
Dec 15 19:03:10 <swisstomcat> it's probably the same
Dec 15 19:03:34 <FoxFireX> Well, that changes the approach.  I mean, if it's ALWAYS that, you could use some simple substring commands.
Dec 15 19:03:48 <FoxFireX> But if it might change (or if you want to code more defensively) regex is probably better.
Dec 15 19:04:08 <swisstomcat> well, something is not the only thing i have to parse out
Dec 15 19:04:25 <swisstomcat> only the only thing i couldn't get out so far with following the childnodes
Dec 15 19:05:04 <sugardave> what I was going to say...grab <p>, firstChild is <b>, so firstChild.innerHTML of <p> should have it
Dec 15 19:05:15 <FoxFireX> If you've got a DOM reference, you should be able to drill down to the element.
Dec 15 19:05:27 <FoxFireX> What he said.
Dec 15 19:05:30 <swisstomcat> oh
Dec 15 19:05:37 <swisstomcat> that is what you meant
Dec 15 19:05:53 <swisstomcat> let me try it
Dec 15 19:06:52 <swisstomcat> hmm .. undefined
Dec 15 19:08:42 <sugardave> swisstomcat: firstChild of <p> is undefined?
Dec 15 19:08:47 <swisstomcat> yeah
Dec 15 19:09:11 <sugardave> hmmm, that should not be the case
Dec 15 19:09:34 <sugardave> if it's <p><b>something</b></p>
Dec 15 19:09:42 <swisstomcat> crap
Dec 15 19:10:00 <swisstomcat> it's "\n-<b>something</b>
Dec 15 19:10:07 <sugardave> ah
Dec 15 19:10:14 <sugardave> bad carriage returns
Dec 15 19:10:38 <swisstomcat> that sucks
Dec 15 19:10:45 <sugardave> run it through something to get rid of the \n....not sure how to do it, somebody in here knows
Dec 15 19:11:08 <FoxFireX> Or traverse the nextSiblings until you get the <b> element.
Dec 15 19:11:36 <sugardave> \n shouldn't even be seen in HTML, right?
Dec 15 19:11:45 <FoxFireX> Converts to whitespace.
Dec 15 19:11:47 <sugardave> or am I misunderstanding the whole thing?
Dec 15 19:11:55 <FoxFireX> Text node containing whitespace.
Dec 15 19:12:03 <sugardave> ah
Dec 15 19:12:15 <swisstomcat> it's not seen in the browser, i see it using firebug
Dec 15 19:12:26 <FoxFireX> <p> would have two children, #textnode and <b>.  <b> would then have a single #textnode child.
Dec 15 19:12:54 <swisstomcat> it actually has 24 childnodes
Dec 15 19:13:13 <FoxFireX> Not from what you showed us. :)  Figured there was more content than you'd pasted.
Dec 15 19:13:29 <swisstomcat> i'm keeping my cards close to the chest :)
Dec 15 19:13:33 <sugardave> hehe
Dec 15 19:13:48 <sugardave> walk the children until you find the one you want
Dec 15 19:13:59 <FoxFireX> Well, if you have control over the HTML as it's generated, do yourself a favor and insert ID nodes that you can grab quickly.
Dec 15 19:14:02 <sugardave> then innerHTML or value will be correct
Dec 15 19:14:09 <swisstomcat> too bad i don't have that control
Dec 15 19:14:10 <FoxFireX> If you don't, then walk the children and guess, as sugardave says.
Dec 15 19:14:36 <swisstomcat> childnote 1 is b
Dec 15 19:14:59 <sugardave> is it 0-indexed?
Dec 15 19:15:03 <swisstomcat> yeah
Dec 15 19:15:05 <FoxFireX> There may (may) be an attribute called innerText.  If you can get that, you may be able to get the non-HTMLized content of the tag.  Probably includes lots of whitespace, though.
Dec 15 19:15:25 <FoxFireX> And your other 22 or so tags.
Dec 15 19:15:25 <swisstomcat> childnode[1[.firstchild.nodevalue is something
Dec 15 19:15:37 <swisstomcat> i hope
Dec 15 19:15:55 <sugardave> is there an 'allChidlren' or just 'children' array?
Dec 15 19:16:07 <FoxFireX> I think it's childNodes.
Dec 15 19:16:19 <swisstomcat> yeah, childNodes
Dec 15 19:16:20 <sugardave> <p>.choldNodes[1].value
Dec 15 19:16:24 <sugardave> childNodes
Dec 15 19:16:25 <sugardave> even
Dec 15 19:16:34 <swisstomcat> yahoo!
Dec 15 19:16:36 * FoxFireX seems to have a chold right now. *hack*
Dec 15 19:16:53 <swisstomcat> childnode[1].firstchild.nodevalue is it
Dec 15 19:16:57 <swisstomcat> phew
Dec 15 19:17:09 <sugardave> hey, alright
Dec 15 19:17:22 <swisstomcat> thanks for your support, guys
Dec 15 19:17:27 <swisstomcat> and thanks firebug :)
Dec 15 19:18:49 <catalystmediastu> http://pastie.org/744485 Trying to return the full transport object in the Twitter.request function. Any ideas?
Dec 15 19:18:50 <FoxFireX> The heck is up with these splits?
Dec 15 19:19:43 <swisstomcat> catalystmediastu: i use this
Dec 15 19:19:45 <swisstomcat>  var request = new Ajax.Request(event.item.link, {
Dec 15 19:19:45 <swisstomcat> 	       method: 'get',
Dec 15 19:19:45 <swisstomcat>                asynchronous: true,
Dec 15 19:19:45 <swisstomcat>                evalJSON: "false",
Dec 15 19:19:45 <swisstomcat> 	       onSuccess: this.ParseDetailResult.bind(this),
Dec 15 19:19:46 <swisstomcat>         on0: function (response) {
Dec 15 19:19:48 <swisstomcat>             // connection failed, typically because the server is overloaded or has gone down since the page loaded
Dec 15 19:19:51 <swisstomcat>             Mojo.Log.error("Connection failed");
Dec 15 19:19:53 <swisstomcat>         },
Dec 15 19:19:55 <swisstomcat>         onFailure: function(response) {
Dec 15 19:19:57 <swisstomcat>             // Request failed (404, that sort of thing)
Dec 15 19:19:59 <swisstomcat>             Mojo.Log.error("Request failed");
Dec 15 19:20:01 <swisstomcat>         },
Dec 15 19:20:03 <swisstomcat>         onException: function(request, ex) {
Dec 15 19:20:05 <swisstomcat>             // An exception was thrown
Dec 15 19:20:07 <swisstomcat>             Mojo.Log.error("Exception");
Dec 15 19:20:09 <swisstomcat>         },
Dec 15 19:20:11 <swisstomcat>    });
Dec 15 19:20:13 <swisstomcat> and then
Dec 15 19:20:15 <swisstomcat> XXAssistant.prototype.ParseDetailResult = function(transport) {
Dec 15 19:20:21 <swisstomcat> var HTMLString = transport.responseText;
Dec 15 19:20:25 <Toaster> paste.pocoo.org
Dec 15 19:20:31 <swisstomcat> sorry
Dec 15 19:20:34 <Rick_work> for gods sake swisstomcat  webos.pastebin.org
Dec 15 19:20:43 <swisstomcat> :(
Dec 15 19:20:55 <swisstomcat> allright, i'm sorry
Dec 15 19:21:35 <catalystmediastu> Thanks swisstomcat: I'll see if that'll work for me!
Dec 15 19:27:15 <yetdog> if i want to have a list item open a web link, or a new email link, how can i do that programatically?
Dec 15 19:27:32 <yetdog> basically, when the list item is clicked, how to i open an URL from my click function?
Dec 15 19:30:14 <FoxFireX> I think you'll need to go look at the services APIs for that sort of stuff.
Dec 15 19:30:32 <FoxFireX> There are serviceRequest calls you can make to launch the browser, email client, etc. with specific links, content, whatever.
Dec 15 19:33:06 <PuffTheMagic> is there anyone from the Palm media group or engineering in general around?
Dec 15 19:33:35 <gkatsev> PuffTheMagic: they probably all netsplitted
Dec 15 19:34:18 <FoxFireX> PuffTheMagic: Offtopic, but thanks a lot for putting that theme song in my head. :P :)
Dec 15 19:34:47 <PuffTheMagic> what theme song?
Dec 15 19:34:54 <FoxFireX> Yours.
Dec 15 19:35:11 <FoxFireX> "Puff the Magic Dragon, lived by the sea...."
Dec 15 19:35:21 <PuffTheMagic> what is that a "theme song too"
Dec 15 19:35:31 <FoxFireX> (I think.  Been ages.)
Dec 15 19:35:51 <PuffTheMagic> maybe there was a cartoon from it
Dec 15 19:36:00 <PuffTheMagic> but i thought it was just a song on a album
Dec 15 19:36:07 <FoxFireX> Yeah, there was a movie at some point.
Dec 15 19:36:12 <FoxFireX> Used the song from the album.
Dec 15 19:38:21 * sugardave is frolicking in the autumn mist.
Dec 15 19:38:34 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Dec 15 19:39:46 <yetdog> hey FoxFireX yeah..
Dec 15 19:39:50 <yetdog> found the browser open call
Dec 15 19:39:54 <yetdog> right after i wrote in here :)
Dec 15 19:40:04 * yetdog sometimes finds the echo chamber effect works
Dec 15 19:43:44 <swisstomcat> wohoo
Dec 15 19:43:49 * swisstomcat jumps up and down
Dec 15 19:43:52 <swisstomcat> it's working
Dec 15 19:44:01 * FoxFireX is now nostalgia tripping.
Dec 15 19:54:53 <sugardave> little Jackie Paper...
Dec 15 19:58:07 <istojic> are Mojo.Depot databases automatically removed when an application is uninstalled?
Dec 15 19:58:17 <istojic> i know that cookies go down the drain for sure
Dec 15 20:01:11 <sugardave> istojic: supposed to be
Dec 15 20:01:19 <sugardave> local sqlite dbs are
Dec 15 20:01:23 <sugardave> not external ones
Dec 15 20:03:16 <istojic> aha, so if i create a Depot with ext: as the name prefix, it'll stick?
Dec 15 20:03:30 * istojic rubs his hands in glee
Dec 15 20:03:42 <sugardave> does depot take ext: like a db does?
Dec 15 20:03:58 <sugardave> and don't depend on it, rboatright reported it and it's bound to be fixed at some point
Dec 15 20:05:28 <nonlocal> So, when is my Palm Pre going to feel like the powerful, multisituational pmp and pocket p
Dec 15 20:06:01 <FoxFireX> Guess his client didn't like what he was saying.
Dec 15 20:06:59 <linuxjacques> lol
Dec 15 20:09:02 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 15 20:13:58 <PuffTheMagic> so i just posted a "bug report" on the Palm forum regarding the "palmaudioencoder" gstreamer plugin and its lack of timestamps info from the output stream... what do you think the odd are of someone from engineering actually seeing the post and responding?
Dec 15 20:14:57 <Bmyers_qwerty> so where is "member serices" on the palm dev page?
Dec 15 20:15:07 <Bmyers_qwerty> i just got accepted and dont see the link they said to use
Dec 15 20:16:07 <Bmyers_qwerty> found it
Dec 15 20:16:15 <Bmyers_qwerty> membership details...
Dec 15 20:16:29 <Bmyers_qwerty> arggss
Dec 15 20:20:39 <sugardave> PuffTheMagic: you never know...plus, if you get chuqui's attention about it, he'll make sure someone seesit
Dec 15 20:22:00 <PuffTheMagic> sugardave: i sent him an e-mail about getting in contact with someone in engineering (or the media group specifically) last week and havent heard back
Dec 15 20:23:01 <PuffTheMagic> the damn audio encoder strips off the timestamps making it impossible to mux properly with a video stream
Dec 15 20:23:09 <PuffTheMagic> audio and video alone a fine
Dec 15 20:23:26 <PuffTheMagic> i really wanted to get Precorder done before xmas
Dec 15 20:24:00 <PuffTheMagic> but that might be impossible unless i get somwhere using TI's opensource gst plugins
Dec 15 20:24:13 <PuffTheMagic> they work on omap35xx so they should work on a 3430
Dec 15 20:25:47 <Bmyers_qwerty> is the video recorder done yet ;)
Dec 15 20:26:23 <PuffTheMagic> Bmyers_qwerty: sorta
Dec 15 20:26:34 <PuffTheMagic> i mean, we can record video
Dec 15 20:26:37 <Bmyers_qwerty> just kidd'n..
Dec 15 20:26:39 <PuffTheMagic> and we can record audio
Dec 15 20:26:44 <Bmyers_qwerty> yes i have the alpha
Dec 15 20:26:45 <PuffTheMagic> and we can mux them together
Dec 15 20:26:50 <PuffTheMagic> but they get out of sync real quick
Dec 15 20:26:53 <PuffTheMagic> oh
Dec 15 20:27:21 <Bmyers_qwerty> i had a priceless 15 sec video of my daughter thanks to your efforts and others
Dec 15 20:27:33 <eekfuh> good evening youngsters
Dec 15 20:27:51 <PuffTheMagic> well what ever you used i think was zsoc and Roy-Pre101
Dec 15 20:27:59 <Bmyers_qwerty> o
Dec 15 20:28:05 <PuffTheMagic> i didnt get sucked into this till this month
Dec 15 20:28:16 <Bmyers_qwerty> well then unthank you..
Dec 15 20:28:18 <Bmyers_qwerty> :)
Dec 15 20:28:23 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Dec 15 20:29:00 <PuffTheMagic> you can thank me a week or so when the next version comes out with a C service instead of Java :D
Dec 15 20:29:15 <Bmyers_qwerty> omg, i would think so
Dec 15 20:29:22 <Bmyers_qwerty> c service should help
Dec 15 20:29:28 <Bmyers_qwerty> i wish i could do c on this thing
Dec 15 20:29:38 <PuffTheMagic> you can
Dec 15 20:29:38 <Bmyers_qwerty> i'm used to A DEBUGGER
Dec 15 20:29:55 <Bmyers_qwerty> yeah yeah, cross platform
Dec 15 20:30:11 <PuffTheMagic> cross platform?
Dec 15 20:30:15 <Bmyers_qwerty> i just havent gotten the sandbox together for that
Dec 15 20:30:32 <Bmyers_qwerty> do you compiler inside the device?
Dec 15 20:30:52 <PuffTheMagic> a "homebrew native sdk" is on my todo list
Dec 15 20:31:05 <PuffTheMagic> hell no
Dec 15 20:31:23 <PuffTheMagic> that would be slow as hell
Dec 15 20:31:23 <Bmyers_qwerty> well wtf is taking you? you shoudl be coding instead of goofing off in internet chat rooms
Dec 15 20:31:42 <PuffTheMagic> Bmyers_qwerty: i've been coding since i got this damn phone
Dec 15 20:31:56 <Bmyers_qwerty> me 2
Dec 15 20:32:52 <PuffTheMagic> i was gonna start on the native sdk 2 weeks ago but i promised zsoc i would start on the precorder service
Dec 15 20:33:22 <PuffTheMagic> maybe i will release a beta native sdk for xmas :D
Dec 15 20:33:26 <Bmyers_qwerty> fun fun
Dec 15 20:33:50 <Bmyers_qwerty> you were obvously able to gather up what you needed
Dec 15 20:34:26 <Bmyers_qwerty> except for the mux timing issue
Dec 15 20:35:06 <Bmyers_qwerty> i just got accepted into the app devel program so i thought i was getting something done for the day
Dec 15 20:35:09 <PuffTheMagic> well zsoc did all the info gathering, i just got recruited to make a nicer service
Dec 15 20:36:01 <Bmyers_qwerty> a kinder , gentler service?
Dec 15 20:38:12 <Bmyers_qwerty> Puff, would you like to try an app that keeps track of how much time you send on projects?
Dec 15 20:38:19 <Bmyers_qwerty> or would that depress you too much?
Dec 15 20:39:35 <PuffTheMagic> it would probably be depressing
Dec 15 20:40:04 <Roy-Pre101> howdy folks
Dec 15 20:40:44 <Bmyers_qwerty> howdy yourself..
Dec 15 20:42:40 <swisstomcat> hallo
Dec 15 20:42:44 <Bmyers_qwerty> hows the world today Roy?
Dec 15 20:58:00 <yetdog> come on palm APPROVE IT
Dec 15 21:03:21 <CTLAdvance> calm down
Dec 15 21:03:31 <CTLAdvance> or they might delay it
Dec 15 21:04:22 <CTLAdvance> besides they are busy approving localized sports apps... zing
Dec 15 21:04:32 <CTLAdvance> ;) jk of course
Dec 15 21:04:32 <linuxjacques> :-\
Dec 15 21:04:52 <swisstomcat> hehe
Dec 15 21:05:00 <swisstomcat> my app works 80% .. wohoo
Dec 15 21:05:16 <swisstomcat> time to install it on the device
Dec 15 21:06:31 <yetdog> hahahaha
Dec 15 21:06:41 <yetdog> maybe if i submitted the same app 50 times, changing the spelling each time, id be in
Dec 15 21:06:48 <entity-> what does your app do
Dec 15 21:07:05 <yetdog> couple of them, one is a live setlist app for DMB, for when there's a show going on
Dec 15 21:07:15 <yetdog> the other is to browse setlists from the band's entire tour catalog
Dec 15 21:08:31 <swisstomcat> yetdog: did you get the stars working?
Dec 15 21:08:39 <swisstomcat> i remember the discussion
Dec 15 21:09:28 <yetdog> oh yes :)
Dec 15 21:09:34 <yetdog> just included the img src code in the json
Dec 15 21:09:38 <yetdog> easy peasy :)
Dec 15 21:09:47 <yetdog> just had to figure out the img path format
Dec 15 21:10:03 <swisstomcat> cool
Dec 15 21:11:59 <ambackstrom> I have a Mojo.Log.info('test') before a setupWidget() operating on a list. The list is populated so I know code is executing that far, but I don't see my info message in /var/log/messages
Dec 15 21:12:07 <webOSRoundup> hey everyone
Dec 15 21:12:18 <yetdog> amback - emu or device?
Dec 15 21:12:45 <ambackstrom> device at the moment
Dec 15 21:12:59 <yetdog> thats the problem
Dec 15 21:13:09 <yetdog> someone in here helped me - you need to run a command line - palm-log
Dec 15 21:13:15 <yetdog> to connect to your device and check logs for your app
Dec 15 21:13:24 <yetdog> mojo.log.info doesnt write to /var/log/messages on the device
Dec 15 21:13:48 <ambackstrom> ah, ok
Dec 15 21:13:56 <ambackstrom> so i can still test on the device, i just need to use palm-log
Dec 15 21:14:05 <yetdog> yep!
Dec 15 21:14:07 <swisstomcat> Mojo.Log.error should work too on both sides
Dec 15 21:15:53 <ambackstrom> yeah, testing info(), warn(), and error(), only error() has output
Dec 15 21:16:04 <ambackstrom> i remember reading something about a framework json file that sets log level
Dec 15 21:16:26 <CTLAdvance> yetdog, why include in the json
Dec 15 21:16:29 <CTLAdvance> your images
Dec 15 21:16:44 <CTLAdvance> ivebeen using them and I havent needed to include them in the json
Dec 15 21:17:39 <yetdog> like
Dec 15 21:17:59 <yetdog> "rating":"<img src='images/rating_4.png'>"
Dec 15 21:18:07 <CTLAdvance> yes
Dec 15 21:18:17 <yetdog> thats how i do it
Dec 15 21:18:31 <CTLAdvance> ah ok so you can address it as rating?
Dec 15 21:18:47 <yetdog> exactly
Dec 15 21:18:53 <CTLAdvance> ok gotcha
Dec 15 21:19:02 <yetdog> instead of trying to manipulate the data once it gets to the device
Dec 15 21:19:07 <yetdog> just have the server do it and feed the img string
Dec 15 21:19:20 <yetdog> i got stuck on it before thinking it wouldnt work because i had something like ../images/
Dec 15 21:19:25 <yetdog> just had to get the right reference
Dec 15 21:19:31 <CTLAdvance> yeah no thats fine, jjust wasnt sure what the purpose was
Dec 15 21:20:12 <yetdog> v2 of my app will store user credentials and do personal stats stuff/i was at this show, write reviews, etc
Dec 15 21:20:23 <yetdog> already handled the login page, stores credentials in a cookie and reads the properly :)
Dec 15 21:23:51 <llc> Hi, I'm looking for a way to set horizontal accuracy via luna-send
Dec 15 21:26:41 <swisstomcat> what do you mean exactly?
Dec 15 21:27:37 <llc> there is a method for setting location
Dec 15 21:27:42 <llc> which is awesome
Dec 15 21:27:48 <swisstomcat> ah, gps
Dec 15 21:27:51 <llc> but I need to set the accuracy as well
Dec 15 21:33:01 <m55> how can you tell if you've reached the bottom of a list with mojo?
Dec 15 21:33:42 <swisstomcat> where or how? with a tap?
Dec 15 21:34:03 <m55> when the user scrolls to the bottom
Dec 15 21:34:34 <yetdog> ont sure exactly what you're asking. just be able to tell if they've scrolled to the bottom of the list?
Dec 15 21:34:40 <m55> yeah
Dec 15 21:34:52 <m55> or where they are on the list at the least so i could calculate it
Dec 15 21:35:09 <m55> on iphone, you could hookup a callback that would fire every time the user scrolled a scrollview
Dec 15 21:35:24 <yetdog> does the scroller have any methods?
Dec 15 21:35:36 <m55> and use the offset inside the "bigger" to calculate if they have hit the bottom or not
Dec 15 21:36:45 <m55> it would be something like if (totalSize-currentOffset < scrollViewHeight) { // do something }
Dec 15 21:37:06 <m55> but with webos i can't figure it out
Dec 15 21:37:24 <swisstomcat> hmm
Dec 15 21:37:59 <yetdog> getScrollPosition
Dec 15 21:38:03 <yetdog> is a method of the scroller
Dec 15 21:41:44 <Bmyers_qwerty> are you looking to add more to the list once they get to the end of the list?
Dec 15 21:42:20 <yetdog> is there a way to getScrollPosition continuously?
Dec 15 21:45:16 <swisstomcat> isn't there also a renderlimit on lists or something?
Dec 15 21:45:37 <yetdog> yeah, i had to set mine to stop the list from greying out when i did the back-gesture on longer lists
Dec 15 21:45:46 <yetdog> not sure why the LIMIT would help with that but it did
Dec 15 22:01:24 <CTLAdvance> Hey I asked this before, but what is everyone using for irc on windows other than MIRC
Dec 15 22:02:29 <ambackstrom> what's the proper way to access this.controller if i've descended into an ajax onsuccess callback?
Dec 15 22:02:40 <m55> you have to bind the callback
Dec 15 22:03:05 <m55> so when you give it a success callback, you have type this.callbackSuccessFunction.bind(this)
Dec 15 22:03:53 <m55> then you can access this.controller within your callback
Dec 15 22:05:02 <EdLin> CTLAdvance: I use HydraIRC on Windows
Dec 15 22:07:21 <EdLin> anyone want a Google Voice invite? GDial Pro is a nice Palm Pre app that uses it. :)
Dec 15 22:08:04 <EdLin> don't everyone ask for one at once now....
Dec 15 22:09:15 <yetdog> just mirc for me CTLAdvance, but when im at home on my mac i use colloquy, i like that better
Dec 15 22:09:24 <mikewx> i have gvoice, but neither of the google dialer apps worked for me
Dec 15 22:09:29 <mikewx> must be something i'm doing wrong :)
Dec 15 22:09:43 <EdLin> mikewx: mine works fine, it calls me back and connects a google voice session.
Dec 15 22:10:03 <CTLAdvance> Thanks for the tip
Dec 15 22:10:11 <CTLAdvance> yetdog did you pay the 20 for mirc?
Dec 15 22:10:22 <yetdog> nah i use it in demo/freeware version
Dec 15 22:10:44 <mikewx> i'm need to determine how google voice bills against my minutes
Dec 15 22:10:58 <mikewx> i think it counts as a landline number, thus not free. but i haven't investigated that yet
Dec 15 22:11:12 <ambackstrom> m55: what if i want to delegate things in setup() to another function within my assistant? how do i preserve "this"?
Dec 15 22:11:55 <m55> ambackstrom: what do you mean exactly?
Dec 15 22:12:59 <EdLin> I use Google Voice more for visual voicemail than for dialing out, unless I need to make an international call - in which case you'll save.
Dec 15 22:13:11 <EdLin> oh, he's gone. :)
Dec 15 22:14:09 <jfelectron> ambackstrom: any method within your assistant class will have the correct 'this' unless its being called in a context outside the class
Dec 15 22:14:17 <jfelectron> the only exception is if you have closures
Dec 15 22:15:39 <jfelectron> in which case cache the this object like var sceneassistant=this, and then use sceneassitant within the closure to refer to the correct this
Dec 15 22:16:34 <ambackstrom> hmm
Dec 15 22:16:48 <jfelectron> If in doubt of the context a method will execute in, like as a callback from another function....bind it to the assistants 'this' when you pass it as a callback
Dec 15 22:16:55 <ambackstrom> it works in the sub-function called from setup(), but not in the callback using .bind()
Dec 15 22:17:27 <m55> window.pageXOffset,window.pageYOffset,document.body.scrollTop,document.documentElement.scrollTop all return 0 whenever i scroll within a window in mojo
Dec 15 22:17:35 <ambackstrom> jfelectron: like onSuccess: this.someFunction.bind(this)?
Dec 15 22:17:38 <m55> window.onscroll gets called
Dec 15 22:17:44 <yetdog> m55...could that be because the window is still static
Dec 15 22:17:49 <yetdog> its the *scroller* that changes?
Dec 15 22:17:51 <yetdog> (totally guessing)
Dec 15 22:17:54 <jfelectron> ambackstrom: that doesn't work?
Dec 15 22:18:15 <m55> yetdog: but why would window.onscroll get called then?
Dec 15 22:18:21 <jfelectron> ambackstrom: does it return to the callback?
Dec 15 22:18:31 <yetdog> hmm yeah...
Dec 15 22:18:44 <yetdog> all those methods you named tho...
Dec 15 22:18:46 <ambackstrom> jfelectron: nope, doesn't work, as I move around the same setupWidget() code. it is in the callback, i verified with Mojo.Log.error()
Dec 15 22:18:51 <yetdog> those arent values are they?
Dec 15 22:18:54 <yetdog> aren't they functions?
Dec 15 22:19:00 <m55> yeah they are values
Dec 15 22:19:13 <yetdog> scrollTop whould return what?
Dec 15 22:19:14 <yetdog> should*
Dec 15 22:19:35 <m55> it gives you the offset from the top of the document and your current position within it
Dec 15 22:19:41 <yetdog> ok..shite
Dec 15 22:19:54 <m55> do javascript:alert(document.documentElement.scrollTop); in some page you've scrolled in
Dec 15 22:20:06 <jfelectron> ambackstrom: you've verified the callback is called? Such as with a Mojo.log statement in the callback...
Dec 15 22:20:23 <ambackstrom> jfelectron: yeah. hey, can i not call setupWidget() outside setup()?
Dec 15 22:22:51 <jfelectron> hmm...have you tried setting up the widget with an empty model and then just updating the model following your ajax request?
Dec 15 22:23:54 <ambackstrom> yeah i think that's what i need to do. finding the code now.
Dec 15 22:24:13 <jfelectron> if a widget is setup after the page renders....you can force a re-render with a call to activate()
Dec 15 22:24:26 <ambackstrom> i also see a modelChanged()
Dec 15 22:24:44 <jfelectron> yes, thats it its already setup
Dec 15 22:25:24 <jfelectron> so if you set it up in setup, you can call this.controller.modelChanged('widgetID')  when you update the model
Dec 15 22:25:48 <jfelectron> what kind of widget are you working with?
Dec 15 22:26:00 <ambackstrom> TextField
Dec 15 22:27:06 <ambackstrom> got it, nice.
Dec 15 22:27:36 <yetdog> nice new webos book on amazing
Dec 15 22:27:39 <yetdog> amazon*
Dec 15 22:27:57 <jfelectron> yetdog: a dev book?
Dec 15 22:28:04 <yetdog> yeah
Dec 15 22:28:10 <jfelectron> yetdog: author/title?
Dec 15 22:28:20 <yetdog> practical palm pre webos projects
Dec 15 22:28:24 <yetdog> by frank zammetti
Dec 15 22:28:31 <jfelectron> thanks!
Dec 15 22:28:35 <yetdog> just ordered it. i have the iphone dev book by the same author
Dec 15 22:28:38 <yetdog> i liked it a lot
Dec 15 22:29:09 <jfelectron> nice
Dec 15 22:39:24 <ambackstrom> awesome, my app is finally displaying data from the ajax call. thanks guys :)
Dec 15 22:39:38 <yetdog> ambackstrom: t his place is awesome
Dec 15 22:40:56 <jfelectron> ambackstrom: its exhilirating!
Dec 15 22:42:41 <yetdog> im sad the main part of my app is done. tweaking stuff just isnt as fun ;)
Dec 15 22:48:45 <yetdog> man, when your app makes it thru reviewing in 24 hours, then takes at least twice that when all you have to do is resuibmit w/ a help scene..that's frustrating :(
Dec 15 22:48:53 <yetdog> esp when all these goddamn spam apps flood the store
Dec 15 22:49:07 <jfelectron> yep yep
Dec 15 22:53:22 <yetdog> jfelectron - any idea how long it should take for my resubmit?
Dec 15 22:53:28 <yetdog> it went "being reviewed" yesterday morning
Dec 15 22:53:31 <yetdog> still at that state now :(
Dec 15 22:53:51 <jfelectron> who knows...I imagine with the end of the early access eminent they might have a backlog
Dec 15 22:53:56 <sugardave> yetdog: it's pretty random
Dec 15 22:54:12 <yetdog> strikes me as odd to be in review that long. queued, i can understand
Dec 15 22:54:22 <yetdog> but once its in someones hands, esp if they've already done it once and only required one change
Dec 15 22:54:26 <yetdog> you'd think itd be quick
Dec 15 22:59:44 <jfelectron> does anyone know if iframes are supported in scenes?
Dec 15 23:00:44 <jfelectron> or if you have programmatically modify the content of the webview widget without re-rendering the entire page. I don't see any methods to actually get and therefore modify the content
Dec 15 23:02:37 <m55> is there a way to reduce the number of items model objects requested from a listWidget's itemsCallback?
Dec 15 23:04:35 <jfelectron> m55 you can set the length and update that dynamically
Dec 15 23:04:51 <jfelectron> not quite the same, but it sets an upper cap at least
Dec 15 23:05:04 <jfelectron> the lookahead probably modulates it as well
Dec 15 23:07:49 <jfelectron> if you dynamically increment the length in small steps within the itemsCallback, that will have the effect you want I think
Dec 15 23:14:11 <m55> this.controller.get('my_list').mojo.setLength(10); is giving me a method undefined error
Dec 15 23:14:24 <m55> how exactly can i send "setLength" to the list widget?
Dec 15 23:17:01 <jfelectron> hmm....that is the right method...are you sure this.controller is referencing the scene's controller?
Dec 15 23:17:35 <jfelectron> does this.controller.get('listID')...return the list?
Dec 15 23:18:13 <m55> other methods work fine with it
Dec 15 23:18:29 <m55> this.listWidget.mojo.noticeUpdatedItems(this.offset,this.listModel.items);
Dec 15 23:18:30 <m55> works
Dec 15 23:18:40 <m55> i'm calling it in the setup method
Dec 15 23:18:51 <m55> right after the this.controller.setupWidget('my_list', this.listSettings, undefined); call
Dec 15 23:21:59 <jfelectron> dunno
Dec 15 23:22:14 <jfelectron> is it possible to have a filterList with a hidden list?
Dec 15 23:23:25 <jfelectron> I'm wondering if it can be used to implement a text field with suggestions
Dec 15 23:24:05 <jfelectron> oh nevermind.....I'm retarded....there is a filter field
Dec 15 23:26:22 <eekfuh> who wants to make an ORM for Mojo
Dec 15 23:38:00 <dawm> god freenode still jacked up today?
Dec 15 23:39:13 <Bmyers_qwerty> its whack
Dec 15 23:41:15 <m55> orwell.freenode.net is jacked up today
Dec 16 00:12:52 <LoneStar34> how would I copy text from one mojo textbox to another onclick?
Dec 16 00:14:18 <jfelectron> Perhaps you can make the model of the first one the model of the other and then call modelChanged()
Dec 16 00:15:42 <haeffb> onclick of what?
Dec 16 00:23:32 <haeffb> Anybody here used Balsamiq for mockups? http://www.balsamiq.com/demos/mockups/Mockups.html
Dec 16 00:24:03 <LoneStar34> well actually not onClick but onKeyUP
Dec 16 00:24:37 <LoneStar34> haeffb: onKeyUP not onClick
Dec 16 00:24:47 <haeffb> every time a user presses a key...you want to copy the text to another textbox?
Dec 16 00:26:25 <CTLAdvance> add an event listener to onkeyup
Dec 16 00:26:36 <CTLAdvance> sorry keyup
Dec 16 00:26:39 <LoneStar34> yes exactly
Dec 16 00:27:25 <LoneStar34> can do it with an html textbox, but not sure how with a mojo textbox
Dec 16 00:27:46 <haeffb> what CTLAdvance said.
Dec 16 00:30:43 <LoneStar34> ok now do I pass text from a mojo textbox to an <input type="hidden" id="abc">textbox?
Dec 16 00:31:32 <haeffb> can you do a this.controller.get("abc").innerHTML = xxx?
Dec 16 00:31:48 * haeffb hasn't worked with html textboxes
Dec 16 00:32:07 <haeffb> how would you set it in non-Mojo javascript?
Dec 16 00:33:25 <LoneStar34> this is gonna be kinda confusing: but need to pass Mojo info to regular javascript that is non-mojo "regular" javascript will throw an error with any mojo stuff
Dec 16 00:35:08 <LoneStar34> for example can't pass "this.model.originalValue"  it will not work need to pass a "value from a regular textbox id
Dec 16 00:35:34 <samsonjs> document.getElementById('abc').value = 'new text'
Dec 16 00:37:14 <haeffb> document.getElementById('abc').value = this.theOtherModel.value; (assuming you haven't changed the modelProperty of the mojo textbox)
Dec 16 00:38:06 <LoneStar34> haeffb: ok will test that out, need to eat brisket first
Dec 16 00:38:11 <LoneStar34> thanks!
Dec 16 00:38:25 <haeffb> send some brisket this way.
Dec 16 00:39:52 <LoneStar34> will do =)
Dec 16 00:44:03 <Bmyers_qwerty> pretty neat haeffb. the mockup thing
Dec 16 00:46:41 <haeffb> yeah, I thought it was awesome.  also: http://gomockingbird.com
Dec 16 00:48:47 <Bmyers_qwerty> haeffb: use them alot?
Dec 16 00:49:07 <LoneStar34> that mashup stuff is really cool, kinda sucks it uses flash...
Dec 16 00:52:20 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb: Nice stuff.
Dec 16 00:53:33 <LoneStar34> Roy-Pre101: have what I need to write a small how-to
Dec 16 00:53:42 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar34: Great!
Dec 16 00:54:24 <haeffb> just found them today
Dec 16 00:54:38 <LoneStar34> just do not know what the title should be:  rundown:  using ajax, json 3rd party API, parsing the data...
Dec 16 00:55:44 * haeffb just got a nice gift from Palm. Wonders how many copies Frank Zammetti will sell because of Palm...?
Dec 16 00:56:22 <Bmyers_qwerty> LoneStar: you working on an ajax howto?
Dec 16 00:57:16 <sugardave> LoneStar34: Accessing Web Services
Dec 16 00:58:01 <LoneStar34> sugardave: thanks - "very simple and to the point" thnaks'
Dec 16 00:58:13 <sugardave> np
Dec 16 00:58:16 <LoneStar34> Bmyers_qwerty: yes
Dec 16 00:58:28 <LoneStar34> it will be a code sample
Dec 16 00:58:35 <Bmyers_qwerty> well hurry up and name it and post it.. I could use a jumpstart..
Dec 16 00:59:24 <LoneStar34> Ok will begin writting it now...
Dec 16 00:59:31 <Bmyers_qwerty> ahhhhhhhhh
Dec 16 01:01:44 <Bmyers_qwerty> will it take long? "So you think you can dance" is coming on soon and I'll need to sign off..
Dec 16 01:04:57 <LoneStar34> Bmyers_qwerty: about 30 minutes
Dec 16 01:05:03 <LoneStar34> maybe less
Dec 16 01:06:13 * haeffb promised my wife I'd write an app so she can track business mileage by end of year. Anybody wanna do it for me?
Dec 16 01:07:09 <haeffb> I've got a cool Balsamiq mockup of what it should look like...
Dec 16 01:10:32 * FoxFireX has been pondering adding business tracking to his app.  "Concentrating on maintenance first, though."
Dec 16 01:21:09 <yetdog> god. 2 full days of "being reviewed"? lol
Dec 16 01:21:21 <LoneStar34> Bmyers_qwerty: almost done just cleaning it up
Dec 16 01:27:59 <CTLAdvance> yeah looks like things are slowing down
Dec 16 01:28:10 <CTLAdvance> this is day two for a simple update we put in
Dec 16 01:29:19 <haeffb> damn. AT&T let's me browse the web while I talk on my phone. Verizon doesn't. Verizon are a-holes.
Dec 16 01:29:22 <CTLAdvance> Maybe they are consumed with the submission of thousands of free localized sports/food/etc etc apps
Dec 16 01:29:44 <CTLAdvance> At this rate we will pass android by this time next year
Dec 16 01:29:47 * haeffb is going to make all my apps in different colors.
Dec 16 01:29:48 <LoneStar34> http://www.webos101.com/Accessing_Web_Services
Dec 16 01:30:01 <haeffb> myApp-Blue
Dec 16 01:30:04 <haeffb> myApp-Red
Dec 16 01:30:14 <CTLAdvance> I like that idea
Dec 16 01:30:25 <CTLAdvance> I will do the same but also do it by area code
Dec 16 01:30:31 <CTLAdvance> myApp-212
Dec 16 01:30:37 <CTLAdvance> myApp-red-212
Dec 16 01:30:44 <CTLAdvance> myApp-Blue-212
Dec 16 01:30:52 <CTLAdvance> myApp-red-614
Dec 16 01:31:03 <CTLAdvance> myApp-blue-614
Dec 16 01:31:31 <haeffb> area code may not be granular enough. Customize by phone number.
Dec 16 01:31:34 <CTLAdvance> that alone should result in several thousand apps
Dec 16 01:31:40 <CTLAdvance> Oh yes
Dec 16 01:31:45 <CTLAdvance> well need a further drill down
Dec 16 01:32:10 <haeffb> send me $4.99 and your phone number. I'll ad an app to the catalog just for YOU!
Dec 16 01:32:32 <haeffb> It will remind you what your phone number is.
Dec 16 01:33:04 <CTLAdvance> I gotch ya
Dec 16 01:33:19 <CTLAdvance> andthen others can download it and be like dud I dld your phone number app
Dec 16 01:33:35 <CTLAdvance> Well pass the iphone store in 8 weeks
Dec 16 01:34:16 <CTLAdvance> We should also do individual restaurant apps
Dec 16 01:34:24 <CTLAdvance> based on address
Dec 16 01:34:51 <haeffb> LoneStar34: what is "this.model.originalValue" supposed to be?
Dec 16 01:41:02 <Bmyers_qwerty> u guys r bad
Dec 16 01:43:07 <LoneStar34> haeffb:  value form mojo text box
Dec 16 01:43:21 <LoneStar34> form = from
Dec 16 01:44:35 <LoneStar34> I am thinking of releasing a novel app:
Dec 16 01:44:55 <LoneStar34> the catch each page will be it's own app
Dec 16 01:45:16 <LoneStar34> .99$ per page for my romance novel
Dec 16 01:47:08 <Bmyers_qwerty> why not post full examples with success and error handlers?
Dec 16 01:47:35 <Bmyers_qwerty> ha!
Dec 16 01:47:48 <Bmyers_qwerty> those 3 lines ARE the success handler.
Dec 16 01:47:54 <Bmyers_qwerty> SORRY!
Dec 16 01:48:28 <Bmyers_qwerty> oh, and then it goes on...
Dec 16 01:48:58 <Bmyers_qwerty> i guess i got confused..
Dec 16 01:49:06 <Bmyers_qwerty> i get a little DOM sometimes..
Dec 16 01:49:34 <LoneStar34> it is a fully working sample, straight from a soon to be released app
Dec 16 01:50:48 <Bmyers_qwerty> cool. whats the app?
Dec 16 01:51:56 <LoneStar34> it is a search type app,
Dec 16 01:52:27 <Bmyers_qwerty> its not a sports app? bummer
Dec 16 01:53:30 <LoneStar34> no, but you will be able to search sports etc...
Dec 16 01:54:51 <gkatsev> is there a way to delete contacts from the device? just cleaned out google contacts and synced the contacts, but a lot of contacts that i deleted are still on my phone
Dec 16 01:56:48 <Bmyers_qwerty> http://www.webos101.com/Calendar author?
Dec 16 01:57:22 <LoneStar34> not sure
Dec 16 01:57:35 <LoneStar34> who the author is
Dec 16 01:59:06 <jfelectron> has anyone created a text field with suggestions that are dynamic based on what is being typed?
Dec 16 02:00:25 <Bmyers_qwerty> sounds like a JS library waiting for you out there
Dec 16 02:00:43 <LoneStar34> jfelectron: yes but not for mojo
Dec 16 02:01:13 <jfelectron> LoneStar34: lol yeah...that's the crux
Dec 16 02:02:51 <LoneStar34> jfelectron: now that i think about it, has the same problems I am facing right now with my code
Dec 16 02:03:05 <jfelectron> yes...that's what made me think of it
Dec 16 02:03:30 <jfelectron> actually a number of the widgets such as WebView and Text view seem somewhat limited in the ability to dynamically update their contents in response to user inputs
Dec 16 02:03:30 <LoneStar34> sending mojo code to regular js and back to the stage
Dec 16 02:10:46 <jfelectron> have you tried rolling your own text widget?
Dec 16 02:12:47 <LoneStar34> rolling?
Dec 16 02:13:04 <LoneStar34> like making my own?
Dec 16 02:13:09 <jfelectron> so to speak...as in a cigarette or joint
Dec 16 02:13:13 <jfelectron> yes making
Dec 16 02:13:42 <LoneStar34> humm... how difficult is it?
Dec 16 02:13:54 <jfelectron> dunno....wondering if I should
Dec 16 02:14:41 <LoneStar34> it would be awesome, trying to find every workaround to something that should be easy...
Dec 16 02:14:42 <jfelectron> I don't see a reason why a standard javascript text box wouldn't work...though I'm not sure the keypresses will be handled correctly
Dec 16 02:15:38 <LoneStar34> if you make an "<input type="text">" in a stage it looks just like the mojo ones
Dec 16 02:15:39 <sugardave> it's easy enough to write special functions for the Mojo widgets to extend them: http://webos101.com/Extended_widgets
Dec 16 02:16:04 <jfelectron> good to know
Dec 16 02:17:26 <haeffb> am I the only one who thinks the rounded corners make webOS look much cooler than Android?
Dec 16 02:17:47 <jfelectron> I'm a fan of the round
Dec 16 02:18:47 <jfelectron> sugardave: sure encapsulating the widget in a new object is great....but some of the widgets don't allow access to their content, new methods or not
Dec 16 02:19:57 <sugardave> jfelectron: ah, yeah that's a problem
Dec 16 02:20:03 <jfelectron> the models are too abstract in some cases imo
Dec 16 02:20:32 <jfelectron> too abstracted rather
Dec 16 02:26:05 <haeffb> which widgets don't allow access to content
Dec 16 02:28:04 <jfelectron> webview doesn't seem to...you only seem to be able to render content, not modify the DOM of the loaded content
Dec 16 02:30:47 <haeffb> ah. webview is a wierd duck...?
Dec 16 02:31:27 <fiftycal> so currently there is no way to protect your source from even vaguely curious prying eyes... is that correct?
Dec 16 02:31:41 <sugardave> fiftycal: that is correct
Dec 16 02:32:07 <sugardave> well, I'm sure there are "ways," but they are not easy and provided
Dec 16 02:36:14 <jfelectron> has anyone tried obfuscation?
Dec 16 02:36:44 <catalystmediastu> The function is being called and the banner is being generated, but scene is not pushed: http://pastie.org/745114 Any ideas?
Dec 16 02:36:50 <jfelectron> I don't think palm specifically condones or discourages it
Dec 16 02:41:02 <sugardave> catalystmediastu: for grins, try Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene('home'); instead
Dec 16 02:43:19 <catalystmediastu> Hmm, that didn't work either. I checked my sources.json and everything looked just fine :S
Dec 16 02:43:59 <sugardave> strange...wrap it in a try/catch and see what it says, I guess
Dec 16 02:44:43 <haeffb> you do have a scene named 'home' ?
Dec 16 02:45:41 <yetdog> any speculation on what palm will have at CES?
Dec 16 02:45:53 <haeffb> that you have tested by pushing from, for example, stage-assistant?
Dec 16 02:46:42 <catalystmediastu> haeffb: yes, and no to the second one. I'll try pushing it from the app-assistant in a sec.
Dec 16 02:47:26 <catalystmediastu> The try catch return TypeError: Object #<an anonymous> has no method 'pushScene'
Dec 16 02:47:31 <sugardave> app assistant?
Dec 16 02:47:46 <sugardave> Mojo.Controller.appController.pushScene('home');
Dec 16 02:48:12 <sugardave> Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().pushScene('home');
Dec 16 02:48:14 <sugardave> actually
Dec 16 02:49:52 <haeffb> good call, sugardave
Dec 16 02:50:13 <catalystmediastu> sugardave: Ahh, I got it now. Thanks!
Dec 16 02:50:17 <sugardave> np
Dec 16 02:50:24 <haeffb> showBanner is a method of appController
Dec 16 02:50:32 <sugardave> yep yep
Dec 16 02:50:42 <sugardave> didn't catch that until looking just now
Dec 16 02:51:12 <haeffb> this place rocks. hope it's still around when I get back to developing apps.
Dec 16 02:51:42 <sugardave> I have learned a ton here
Dec 16 02:51:46 <sugardave> it's great
Dec 16 02:55:08 <mikepre_> anyone here that can help me determine why my /dev/mapper/store-root mounted on / is at 99% full, I think its causing other issues, like not being able to apply the iphone spoof patch
Dec 16 02:56:45 <sugardave> mikepre_: #webos-internals might be a better place for that ?
Dec 16 02:57:36 <mikepre_> yeah, tried a post there, 100 ppl online, no answer after 20 mintues...lol...lots of ppl idle I guess, thanks anyhow
Dec 16 02:59:32 <sugardave> also, freenode has been acting up lately, so some people might be in-between connections
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