**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 20 02:59:56 2009 Dec 20 03:09:20 back from bball Dec 20 03:09:41 Now, to get this SQLite/date crap working... Dec 20 03:10:36 prototypic, you can get the pre fonts off the device Dec 20 03:10:40 thats how i got em Dec 20 03:10:48 or from the emulator Dec 20 03:22:42 that wptouch works pretty good Dec 20 03:26:47 Ok, works. Dec 20 03:32:04 ok here's a lame question but how do I do the alert that shows at the bottom of the screen with 2 buttons, one green Dec 20 03:32:14 it's not a standard alert I assume Dec 20 03:34:12 https://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Controller.html#.showAlertDialog Dec 20 03:34:24 * PrototypicLaptop bows Dec 20 03:35:08 there's an example in UIWidgets Dec 20 03:35:26 I wish those samples were in ares Dec 20 03:35:30 that would be killer Dec 20 03:35:49 ones is an affirmative button Dec 20 03:41:27 ok here's another one, how do I call a (wrong name im sure) sibling function? Dec 20 03:41:53 Ok, doesn't works. Dec 20 03:42:15 action1: function(){ dosomething}, action2:function(){action1},.... Dec 20 03:42:30 I want action2 function to be able to call action 1 Dec 20 03:42:49 this.action1 ? Dec 20 03:42:52 is it this.action1() or this.controller.action1() Dec 20 03:43:00 or something else entirely Dec 20 03:43:31 Bmyers: My update says it's working, but it's not working. Dec 20 03:44:27 ok like i said lame question thanks guys. Dec 20 03:45:52 Anyone need any snow? Dec 20 03:46:06 I've got 20 inches of the stuff I don't need. Dec 20 03:47:00 hey haeffb Dec 20 03:47:30 roy: just starting in for us in NY Dec 20 03:47:31 yes? Dec 20 03:47:52 u get your update working? Dec 20 03:48:17 not yet Dec 20 03:48:38 It hits the success handler, but the DB doesn't change. Dec 20 03:49:20 while doing an sql UPDATE? Dec 20 03:49:59 yep. Dec 20 03:51:10 here's the deactivate() function from my data entry scene: http://www.pastie.org/750423 Dec 20 03:52:27 the insert works? Dec 20 03:52:40 yes, insert works fine. Dec 20 03:54:19 paste up the sql schema, might help Dec 20 03:55:06 var sql = "CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS 'mileageEvents' (id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, date INTEGER, dateformat TEXT, begMiles TEXT, endMiles TEXT, mileage TEXT, purpose TEXT, destination TEXT, notes TEXT)"; Dec 20 03:55:41 where do you set this.id? Dec 20 03:56:17 it is a param passed to the data entry scene from the list scene. this.id is correct. Dec 20 03:56:26 date=?, dateformat=?, begMiles=?, endMiles=?, mileage=?, purpose=?, destination=?, notes=? WHERE id=?"; Dec 20 03:56:30 oops.. Dec 20 03:58:40 r u logged into sqlite? Dec 20 03:58:59 nope. don't know how. Dec 20 03:59:32 here's log output: http://www.pastie.org/750425 Dec 20 04:00:16 it's going back into the CREATE TABLE function before the UPDATE returns the success handler. Could that be a problem? Dec 20 04:01:14 ok, beer thirty. time to start drunk coding again! Dec 20 04:01:42 yeah welcome to the wonderful world of asyn calls Dec 20 04:02:41 what table is it creating? Dec 20 04:03:17 see above. CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS 'mileageEvents'... Dec 20 04:04:06 you need to create the table long before you try to use it Dec 20 04:04:18 that happens in activate() of my list scene. It's success handler then calls the var sql = "SELECT * FROM mileageEvents"; Dec 20 04:04:28 it was created long before. Dec 20 04:04:38 AppAssistant opens database Dec 20 04:04:54 you create the table in your activate method? Dec 20 04:05:17 StageAssistant pushes list scene, where activate creates the table (if not exist) then loads data from table (if exist) var sql = "SELECT * FROM mileageEvents"; Dec 20 04:05:30 the list populates with data. Dec 20 04:06:07 listTap event (or listAdd event) pushes data entry screen, with exist record data (or new record). Dec 20 04:06:43 deactivate() on data entry scene calls UPDATE or INSERT, depending on whether ID is null (thanks to advice I received earlier) Dec 20 04:07:54 how about creating the table in the stage-assistant? Dec 20 04:08:34 or tables, if u have more than 1 Dec 20 04:08:59 that's certainly possible. but should it matter if the SQL call is CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXIST? Dec 20 04:09:17 but even still, i dont see how you could get from activate to deactivate so fast that it doesnt have time to create the table.. Dec 20 04:09:38 no, if its there it does nothing Dec 20 04:10:57 I think the problem is with the UPDATE, but I can't find it. Dec 20 04:11:51 it inserts ok? Dec 20 04:12:25 inserts fine. check email. you can test it. Dec 20 04:13:20 sent Dec 20 04:13:53 got one for viagra, you mean that 1? Dec 20 04:14:22 o wait, here it is.. Dec 20 04:14:45 u use komodo or eclipse? Dec 20 04:15:53 eclipse Dec 20 04:16:16 never could get komodo to work for me. but didn't spend a lot of time trying. Dec 20 04:20:17 gimme a sec.. Dec 20 04:22:05 u on a windows box? Dec 20 04:22:09 yep Dec 20 04:22:22 all the ^M's.. Dec 20 04:23:02 ^M's... ? Dec 20 04:24:33 in the app assistant. you must have edited it with something other than eclipse Dec 20 04:24:49 no, just eclipse Dec 20 04:24:53 weird.. Dec 20 04:34:02 well, try this.. Dec 20 04:36:39 which? Dec 20 04:41:37 hold a sec.. i'll try it here Dec 20 04:45:20 i cant see whats up with it either.. Dec 20 04:45:50 think I'll give up for the evening. Dec 20 04:45:54 with the sql update, try writing out the query rather than param method Dec 20 04:46:15 take out the ?'s and put the var together yourself Dec 20 04:46:26 log the var sql Dec 20 04:46:42 tried that - still no go. Dec 20 04:46:52 take the query your spit out and try pasting it into sqlite3 in your db Dec 20 04:47:04 u telnet'd into the emu? Dec 20 04:48:28 not today Dec 20 04:48:47 I can try that later, tho. Dec 20 04:49:06 you see if you get an error somehow Dec 20 04:49:14 its not updating the data tho for sure Dec 20 04:49:30 do you know where ur db is? Dec 20 04:49:54 I can probably find it. Dec 20 04:50:23 get into the emu and type: Dec 20 04:50:41 cd /media/internal/.app-storage/file_.var.usr.palm.applications.com.tigers.app.milez_0/ Dec 20 04:50:58 in that dir there might be more than 1 file Dec 20 04:51:08 it's the highest named one in there Dec 20 04:51:20 sqlite3 (filename) Dec 20 04:51:43 then just paste in your sql string you spit out in the log into that Dec 20 04:51:52 and see if the query works Dec 20 04:53:03 results.RowAffected in your success handler should say 1 row Dec 20 04:53:18 but results is undefined Dec 20 04:53:31 which is telling me it didnt really work out so well.. Dec 20 04:54:47 i am using vi in the emu to look at your script so it's a little limiting Dec 20 04:56:30 don't get anything from pasting the query string into sqlite3 Dec 20 04:56:45 post it here Dec 20 04:57:01 UPDATE 'mileageEvents' SET date=1261279611198,dateformat=Dec 19, 2009, beginMiles=455, endMiles=555, mileage=100, purpose=Looking, destination=Bolivar, MO, notes=This is a long note with more stuff. On another line. WHERE id=3 Dec 20 04:57:14 dateformat Dec 20 04:57:29 u need to quote the text stuff Dec 20 04:57:30 commas? Dec 20 04:57:44 OK. Dec 20 04:57:54 its the 19th already? holy crap.. Dec 20 04:59:42 does the appmenu have to be instantiated in stageassistant? Dec 20 05:00:00 I just cant seem to get it to work Dec 20 05:00:53 still no go: Dec 20 05:00:55 UPDATE 'mileageEvents' SET date=1261279611198, dateformat='Dec 19, 2009', beginMiles=455, endMiles=555, mileage=100, purpose='Looking', destination='Bolivar, MO', notes='This is a long note with more stuff. On another line. ' WHERE id=3 Dec 20 05:02:27 found it! Dec 20 05:02:55 SQL error: no such column: beginMiles Dec 20 05:03:07 yep, still didn't work. Dec 20 05:03:29 its begMiles Dec 20 05:04:23 OK, works in sqlite3, but still not in app. Dec 20 05:04:32 did you change the app? Dec 20 05:04:44 works in app, IF I close and reopen. Dec 20 05:05:27 you need to re-run the sql once you get back to the list screen Dec 20 05:05:38 repopulate the list, etc Dec 20 05:05:49 argh. Doesn't work in app. App reads updated database that I did manuall. Dec 20 05:05:53 manually. Dec 20 05:06:56 you change beginMiles tho right? Dec 20 05:07:25 Yes. Dec 20 05:08:25 u must have changed something, mine had begMiles Dec 20 05:10:11 UPDATE 'mileageEvents' SET date=1261279528999, dateformat='Dec 19, 2009', begMiles=200, endMiles=333, mileage=133, purpose='Bac kagain', destination='Columbia', notes='' WHERE id=2 Dec 20 05:10:29 works thru direct sqlite in emu, but not in app. Dec 20 05:19:00 there must be something we cant see wrong in the update if statement Dec 20 05:20:00 * FoxFireX notes that in the old schema posted, begMiles, endMiles, and mileage are all defined as TEXT. Dec 20 05:20:06 Maybe they need to be quoted as well? Dec 20 05:20:26 works in sqlite directly, tho Dec 20 05:20:35 Hmm. Dec 20 05:20:44 * haeffb working on another possibility... Dec 20 05:20:57 * FoxFireX was upstairs installing blinds. Which brings up the always funny "Blind Guy" joke, but that's for another time. Dec 20 05:21:47 nope, the other possibility didn't do it either. Dec 20 05:22:32 So I don't suppose it's giving you any useful error messages. Too much to hope for I imagine. Dec 20 05:22:44 not a darn thing.. Dec 20 05:22:59 i put a try/catch around it just to be sure Dec 20 05:23:15 the sql statement he creates works in sqlite3 Dec 20 05:23:15 Is it calling either your success or failure handler? Dec 20 05:23:45 it used to. I think I've screwed around enough that even that's not working anymore. Dec 20 05:24:18 DELETE FROM mileageEvents WHERE id=2 Dec 20 05:25:09 its calls suscceshandler in my vers Dec 20 05:26:19 Can you post the current state of the table def and how the call is being made in code? Not sure what (if anything) has changed since the posts a while back. Dec 20 05:26:32 OK, this not working either: http://www.pastie.org/750462 Dec 20 05:27:32 You may need a semicolon at the end of the SQL string. I have them at the end of mine, but I'm not sure if it's required in this context or not. Certainly doesn't hurt. Dec 20 05:27:51 i dont think it is Dec 20 05:28:11 Just trying to identify differences between what I'm doing (which works) and this. :) Dec 20 05:28:33 i looked there. i know what u mean.. Dec 20 05:29:16 DELETE FROM mileageEvents WHERE id=2 Dec 20 05:29:33 ALSO works when I enter it directly in sqlite, but not in the pastied code. Dec 20 05:30:29 a username and a password preference should that be stored in sqlite or cookie? Dec 20 05:30:43 Grah, I hate being at the stage where the basic stuff screws me up. Using Ares, how do you set a basic variable sub in an html block (Say '

#{foo}

'), and then alter that substution text on app startup? I'm assuming that it's possible to do this from MainAssistant's startup function, but I can't figure out how. Dec 20 05:31:28 The only other thing I'm doing different (that I can see at this level) is that I'm quoting the column name as well. Doesn't look like ID is a keyword, but... *shrug* Dec 20 05:31:39 heh mercury I'm right there with ya on these basic questions Dec 20 05:31:47 OK, the delete now works. Dec 20 05:32:29 haeffb, in the if else just create the sql string Dec 20 05:32:39 then do the same transactions code Dec 20 05:32:47 PrototypicLaptop: SQLite seems a bit saferish, but neither is particularly secure. Hopefully you're able to store a hash instead of the actual password. :) Counterpoint to that is that if your SQLite database is on the media partition, it's more exposed than the cookie would be. Dec 20 05:32:55 delete the update transction code and use the one in the insert Dec 20 05:33:17 well iv got to pass the user/pass over http (at least its https) Dec 20 05:33:42 most of the apps I will built will use rest interfaces that require some sort of naked auth Dec 20 05:34:14 Mercury: I'd suggest including your HTML as something like "

Loading...

" and then doing this.controller.get("myPara").innerHTML = "Ready!" in your setup. Dec 20 05:34:32 FoxFireX: Ahh, that would do the trick. Dec 20 05:34:51 PrototypicLaptop: Eh, if that's what you've got, it's what you've got. I don't think the cookies are ever exposed via the media partition, so it may be slightly safer. Dec 20 05:36:02 AND NOW IT WORKS! Dec 20 05:36:19 So what was the trick? Dec 20 05:36:19 * haeffb does a happy dance! Dec 20 05:36:35 deleted the code and copied in something that worked. Dec 20 05:36:47 there was something in there we couldnt see Dec 20 05:37:02 missing squiggles or comma Dec 20 05:37:07 Not sure what was wrong originally, but something in the db.transaction call. Dec 20 05:37:19 Now if only the ares fire upload worked consistantly. Dec 20 05:37:29 squiggles, parens, semicolons, something Dec 20 05:37:35 you dont have to have two copies of that anyway.. Dec 20 05:37:53 You shouldn't be uploading fire to Ares, it might hurt the server! :O Dec 20 05:37:54 well, I still do. but now both work. Dec 20 05:38:22 when I was using the ???'s, I had two calls because I used diff arg arrays Dec 20 05:38:34 o Dec 20 05:38:38 though, now that I understand what's going on, could have just used a var in there. Dec 20 05:38:44 * FoxFireX uses the ???'s and likes 'em. Dec 20 05:38:57 yeah.. but with the param stuff you cant paste the sql into sqlite to see if you got it right Dec 20 05:39:27 can u FoxFire? Dec 20 05:39:41 Not as directly, no. Dec 20 05:39:56 and if you fudge a column you're screwed.. Dec 20 05:40:25 hey, i didn't fudge a column and I was still screwed. Dec 20 05:40:27 I do like not having to worry about quoting or not quoting things, though. Helps keep the types nice and tidy. Dec 20 05:40:41 you had beginmiles for begmiles at some point.. Dec 20 05:40:56 when I went to a straight string without using the ???'s Dec 20 05:40:58 for debugging purposes, it helps Dec 20 05:41:11 you should prolly use ?? Dec 20 05:41:23 sent you an updated version if you want to test. should add, edit, delete now. Dec 20 05:41:25 cause it escapes stuff out of the dat aright FF? Dec 20 05:41:33 So, basic functionality is there. Dec 20 05:41:37 s/dat/data Dec 20 05:41:57 Yeah, it takes care of any escaping, formatting, whatever. You just tell it "Put this in there" and it does it. Dec 20 05:43:35 well glad u got it working haeffb Dec 20 05:43:47 AWESOME! Thanks for keeping me going, Bmyers. Dec 20 05:43:47 if var name = cookie.get("name"); cannot find the cookie in question is name undefined or null Dec 20 05:43:58 I cannot run the debugger so I'm running a bit blind Dec 20 05:44:50 I'd imagine null; if a function successfully returns, it would very rarely return undefined. I'd only expect that if the function didn't return anything at all. Dec 20 05:53:46 * haeffb thinks it was a binding issue. Dec 20 06:10:21 So, i'm working on developing my first webos app using ares. so far, so good. i do have a couple questions, however: Dec 20 06:10:30 1) what file do i edit to change the app menu? Dec 20 06:11:02 2) what's the easiest way to impliment saving and recalling data, such as i would normally do in a database? Dec 20 06:39:43 the guy that works on ares are you here? Dec 20 06:40:13 yes Dec 20 06:40:21 I'd like to define my own custom run app command from ares. so I can launch my one click device install script Dec 20 06:40:41 erm. i'm the one with the question about ares, anyway. Dec 20 06:40:49 er launch command Dec 20 06:40:53 oh Dec 20 06:41:36 hi all! Dec 20 06:41:55 jenp Dec 20 06:42:06 hey haeffb how's it going? Dec 20 06:42:44 good. spent the day writing code. Bmyers helped me to get sqlite working Dec 20 06:43:05 oh awesome! you'll have to show me how Dec 20 06:43:47 well, i now have a working example. Dec 20 06:44:48 which is great Dec 20 06:45:45 ya, great. and AWESOME! Dec 20 06:45:54 lol Dec 20 06:47:34 what you up to this evening? Dec 20 06:48:18 trying to motivate myself to program Dec 20 06:48:23 you? Dec 20 06:49:10 getting ready to hit the sack Dec 20 06:49:17 cool Dec 20 06:49:21 i don't suppose someone could point the way to setting up an app menu? Dec 20 06:49:25 i'll talk to you tomorrow Dec 20 06:49:37 HaDAk: in ARES? Dec 20 06:49:41 yes Dec 20 06:49:42 HaDAk...web101 has something nice Dec 20 06:49:51 where do i find that? Dec 20 06:50:05 web101.com Dec 20 06:50:53 can't seem to pull up the site. Dec 20 06:50:59 webos101.com Dec 20 06:51:08 but not app menu in Ares Dec 20 06:51:08 http://www.webos101.com Dec 20 06:51:13 ah Dec 20 06:51:22 just the regular way Dec 20 06:51:54 excellent. looks to be just what i need. i'll give it a shot. Dec 20 06:52:02 they've got something on here about storing and recalling data, as well? Dec 20 06:52:26 HaDAk: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Storage_Database Dec 20 06:52:43 sugardave: much obliged Dec 20 06:52:49 sure Dec 20 06:53:12 i'm going to see if i can put these to good use. will peek back in with any other questions :) Dec 20 06:53:17 thanks guys. Dec 20 07:07:59 i can't seem to get this menu working :\ Dec 20 15:31:20 hey haeffe. hows it going Dec 20 15:32:21 Need to go to town to get a coffee. Dec 20 15:34:50 adding Category to the Milez app. Trying to decide if it should be a listSelector right above Purpose, or have a drop-down menu in the header. Dec 20 15:42:38 i'd go listselector Dec 20 15:42:57 that way you can add a checkmark to the current category Dec 20 15:43:33 WAG anyways.. Dec 20 15:46:41 good morning everyone Dec 20 15:49:33 hey lonestar Dec 20 15:49:53 happy sunday! Dec 20 15:52:46 yeah! Sunday! Dec 20 15:53:11 anyone know if I need to provide my own fade images for the scroller widgets? Dec 20 15:54:01 how 'bout them cowboys.. Dec 20 15:54:58 LoneStar: fade images? Dec 20 15:55:30 yeah, what time is the cowboy game? Go chargers! Dec 20 15:57:32 cowboys beat saints last night Dec 20 15:57:40 sat nite game Dec 20 15:58:51 hey guys: i need to test if this is an array: series[x][] <-- that second element. how to do? Dec 20 15:58:52 oh wow, great! Dec 20 16:00:34 i use something like "tt[i].comicTitle" Dec 20 16:01:16 Bmyers: the cowboys beat the "undefeated" saints? Dec 20 16:01:29 u r not sleeping... yes they did.. Dec 20 16:01:36 24 17 Dec 20 16:01:51 holy f-ck... wow Dec 20 16:02:04 yup.. hard to beleive eh? Dec 20 16:03:02 yeah - and the chargers beat the cowboys - last week, so it's looking good for the chargers! Dec 20 16:03:32 awesome for the "cowboys!" Dec 20 16:06:25 Bmyers: no clue Dec 20 16:08:23 google says: http://www.devx.com/tips/Tip/12455 Dec 20 16:08:50 * haeffb is thinking about pushing Milez out to PreCentral to get some feedback. Dec 20 16:20:30 Bmyers: can you explain what you're trying to test? Dec 20 16:20:52 if you still need halp that is Dec 20 16:20:53 heya Dec 20 16:23:29 n80, i'm not even sure. i am trying to debug a lib Dec 20 16:23:57 works with static data, doesnt work with real data Dec 20 16:24:00 both r the same.. Dec 20 16:33:13 both *seem to be* the same Dec 20 16:38:53 can you use a debugger? Dec 20 16:41:14 hi! I'm testing develop in Eclipse, but I can't see somethign as Ares to draw the windows, isn't it? Dec 20 16:41:30 only ares does that Dec 20 16:43:53 and is it difficult to create the view withou the help of Ares? (I'm only testing, no reason to do this) Dec 20 16:48:19 w/o ares, you have to create the view manually using html coding Dec 20 16:49:50 alex_: nah, html layout is probably still pretty easy Dec 20 17:07:15 aw geez...got my first "support" question: "Why doesn't the Yule Log fill my entire screen?" Well, because it would look freaking STUPID if I expanded the vertical Dec 20 17:09:24 tell him to put electrical tape over the part that Yule Log doesn't use. Dec 20 17:10:17 I did tell them I was sorry that they were so unhappy with it and I hoped future updates made it worth the entire $1.43 they paid... Dec 20 17:11:38 how do updates work? are we supposed to supply update code in our app, or will the app cat notify the users, are the users expected to check for updates in the app cat? Dec 20 17:12:13 your app costs $1.43? isn't that a pretty random amount? Dec 20 17:12:23 PrototypicLaptop: if you push an update and it's accepted, they will see the update in the catalog Dec 20 17:12:33 n8o: $1.43 * .70 = $1.00 Dec 20 17:12:39 pretty much Dec 20 17:12:43 slightly more Dec 20 17:12:44 ah, hehe Dec 20 17:13:08 so that app cost you $50 to put up? Dec 20 17:13:21 do free apps cost $50 as well? Dec 20 17:13:22 wait, they are charging for apps now :( Dec 20 17:13:27 PrototypicLaptop: but they have to be looking for it in the catalog OR via the 'Updates' app Dec 20 17:13:32 shit i missed early developer access? Dec 20 17:13:39 n8o: it was free for me Dec 20 17:13:49 so the $50/app thing is coming in the future? Dec 20 17:13:56 but even if it wasn't, I would have hit the break-even mark already Dec 20 17:14:01 cool :D Dec 20 17:14:18 I guess I should get off my ass and get BOFH Excuse Generator ad-free submitted Dec 20 17:14:24 before they want to charge me Dec 20 17:14:39 that's what I'm saying Dec 20 17:15:00 I'm submitting my "BrowserMarks" today, a delicious bookmark manager Dec 20 17:15:10 cool Dec 20 17:15:11 I managed to turn webview into a new webbrowser Dec 20 17:15:15 any idea when they'll start charging? Dec 20 17:15:26 n8o: no idea...was supposed to be at the end of December Dec 20 17:15:38 just have to get swipes and some styling to make webview 100% webbrowser feature rich Dec 20 17:20:46 good morning all! Dec 20 17:27:43 morn Dec 20 17:46:23 good afternoon everyone Dec 20 17:46:40 hey LoneStar34 Dec 20 17:47:06 still morning here Dec 20 17:47:08 hi jenp Dec 20 17:47:12 hi LoneStar34 Dec 20 17:47:16 morning haeffb Dec 20 17:47:41 ok haeffb what does your wife think of the shape up shoes? Dec 20 17:47:44 * haeffb trying to figure out how to put an icon in a header Dec 20 17:48:10 i have to go buy some new walking shoes and it's a toss up between those and reebok easytones Dec 20 17:48:27 JenP: did you know uggs where invented by australian surfers? Dec 20 17:48:41 LoneStar34 yes i did... Dec 20 17:49:05 i used to surf. Dec 20 17:49:24 She likes them. I'm not sure how much she's been wearing them lately Dec 20 17:49:44 SD: email? Dec 20 17:50:02 Bmyers talking to me? Dec 20 17:50:04 never was a big surfer, but is truely a cool sport Dec 20 17:50:15 Bmyers: yeah, I got it...have to wait a little while, though Dec 20 17:50:28 LoneStar34 lots of fun, but wrecks your hair... Dec 20 17:51:06 ok, got disconnected sent as i said that last time Dec 20 17:51:19 <>,, you know.. Dec 20 17:52:21 hello! Dec 20 17:53:04 hi keith Dec 20 17:53:08 hi kesne Dec 20 17:53:47 anyone have some js code for parsing a url from text? Dec 20 17:54:20 isn't there a url parser built into prototype? Dec 20 17:54:39 not sure... rick_home let me check Dec 20 17:58:10 i may have used the wrong word, need to extract a url from text example: "I love to dance in the rain. Here is my pic http://uoid.me/rain1, dancing in the rain" Dec 20 17:58:36 and no I do not like to dance in the rain Dec 20 17:58:52 * sugardave is confused by the Prototype "class definition" tip. "Isn't the point of js to eschew 'classical OOP' for the prototype method?" Dec 20 17:59:20 yes, but there are so many java programmers that library builders have to cater to them some. Dec 20 17:59:43 so, don't worry about Class.create(), then? Dec 20 18:05:39 I wouldn't. Dec 20 18:05:56 LoneStar34 preg_match_all("/]*href=(\'|\")([^\'\"]*)[^>]*>/i", $file_contents, $link_array, PREG_OFFSET_CAPTURE); Dec 20 18:06:41 rick_home: speak English, please. Dec 20 18:06:43 damn, rick_home with the super regex Dec 20 18:06:56 and he's capturing pregnant women! Dec 20 18:07:43 rick_home: ok thanks, will give it howler Dec 20 18:08:13 LoneStar34: not sure if that's going to work for your example...that regex is for combing through HTML source...I think Dec 20 18:08:53 LoneStar34 http://regexlib.com/Search.aspx?k=url Dec 20 18:08:59 sugardave: if I have regex code that works in php will it be the same in javascript? Dec 20 18:09:04 that site is my secret weapon when I need a regex. Dec 20 18:09:11 LoneStar34 not ALWAYS but often. Dec 20 18:09:13 LoneStar34: pretty much, might need a little tweaking Dec 20 18:09:26 Wow I'm impressed Dec 20 18:09:36 It was so easy to get a project running in this Dec 20 18:09:37 Kudos Dec 20 18:10:00 apetrescu saddly, none of the people who did that are here just now Dec 20 18:10:09 but you might put a thanks in the forums at developer.palm.com Dec 20 18:11:25 thanks: sugardave and rick_home will give all a try Dec 20 18:19:03 hi again Dec 20 18:21:55 rick_home: added regexlib.com to my opera speed-dial Dec 20 18:23:27 * haeffb must have had too much to drink last night. Seeing triple JenP's Dec 20 18:24:56 haeffb you can call me sybill for today Dec 20 18:25:27 rightey-o, sybill. Dec 20 18:26:51 Milez 0.1.0 published to PreCentral Dec 20 18:27:27 what does it do? Dec 20 18:29:24 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/220436-milez.html Dec 20 18:29:41 track mileage for business Dec 20 18:29:49 so much for sybill Dec 20 18:30:17 smiles...not enough trama in here to bring out all my personalities Dec 20 18:31:04 i bought "practical palm pre webos projects" today .. good stuff in it Dec 20 18:31:38 swisstomcat: I'm thinking about getting it myself. Do you have the Palm webOS by Allen? Dec 20 18:31:46 no Dec 20 18:32:22 this one has several different projects in it Dec 20 18:32:56 that's a good thing, assuming they aren't different team versions of a sports app... Dec 20 18:33:12 nah Dec 20 18:33:20 a time tracker (project management) Dec 20 18:33:33 a twitter monitor Dec 20 18:33:37 a game Dec 20 18:33:48 local business search Dec 20 18:33:57 and a code cabinet Dec 20 18:34:42 got the e-book version, saving a tree or two :) Dec 20 18:35:18 Think I'll buy some palm stock while low Dec 20 18:36:59 time to learn google api's Dec 20 18:37:19 the example in the book covers yahoo's api Dec 20 18:37:32 and the ares tutorial the flickr api Dec 20 18:37:42 who did already try ares? Dec 20 18:38:32 yahoo doesn't have a spreadsheet, do they? Dec 20 18:40:05 Found some functional php code that could work for javascript, but not sure where to make the changes: http://pastebin.com/d2bf4e1f2 Dec 20 18:40:14 swisstomcat: time tracker is your app? Dec 20 18:40:50 bmyers: no, i was just pointing out the different apps that are in the book "practical palm pre webos projects" Dec 20 18:41:15 bymers: my two apps are still in stealth mode Dec 20 18:41:26 haefb what google apis you working with? Dec 20 18:41:44 what are you trying to do, lonestar? Dec 20 18:42:00 *haeffb Dec 20 18:43:09 btw how hard is the app approval process, do they scrutenize the codebehind? being my first app I could stand for a bunch of refactoring. Dec 20 18:43:53 PrototypicLaptop: Going to be working to export data to a google spreadsheet. Dec 20 18:44:46 it's pretty easy, i wish my company would release our software for free already Dec 20 18:44:56 PrototypicLaptop: Don't know. My app went in with no comments. Same for two updates. Either they like me or they don't care about bad code. Dec 20 18:45:06 we have a google connector that lets you write like 4 lines of code to do that Dec 20 18:45:48 http://rssbus.com/connectors/Google.aspx Dec 20 18:47:07 hi haeffb Dec 20 19:25:06 sup Dec 20 19:26:32 is Rick in here? Dec 20 19:28:26 <_ivanst_> damn! Dec 20 19:28:31 <_ivanst_> skype scares the shit out of me Dec 20 19:28:59 <_ivanst_> i just typed in a regexp-replacement into the text box of the chat, and skype performed it on the last message i sent Dec 20 19:34:50 __ivanst__: is that is screwed up Dec 20 19:37:41 <_ivanst_> no it's not... i'm pretty sure that the person at the other side of the chat would have understood a regexp replace, but this is way more cool Dec 20 19:37:55 <_ivanst_> s/cool/fucking amazing/ Dec 20 19:40:32 _invanst_: so skype executed the regex code? Dec 20 19:42:30 i want a webOS phone with stellar hardware...not gonna happen huh? Dec 20 19:43:36 wait and see if CES brings something for you ? Dec 20 19:51:25 can I put my emulator in developer mode? Dec 20 19:51:32 alex_: no Dec 20 19:51:37 * haeffb wonders what's wrong with the Pre hardware? Dec 20 19:51:38 its already is Dec 20 19:51:51 * atlanta seconds haeffb Dec 20 19:54:23 the hardware is comparable to iphone I thought Dec 20 19:54:38 does anyone know how to grab the current url from a webview? Dec 20 19:54:51 and how to set the value of a textbox? Dec 20 19:56:29 this.textboxModel.value = "new stuff"; this.controller.modelChanged(this.textboxModel); Dec 20 19:56:54 thank you Dec 20 19:59:33 I assume textboxmodel is the name of my textbox? Dec 20 19:59:36 I'm using ares Dec 20 19:59:47 er name + model Dec 20 20:00:13 nm Dec 20 20:00:17 i think I understand Dec 20 20:05:04 thanks atlanta ;( Dec 20 20:05:28 yurp Dec 20 20:06:17 anyone want to test my app? Dec 20 20:06:22 sure Dec 20 20:06:24 you need a delicious account Dec 20 20:06:28 what does it do? Dec 20 20:06:42 delicious bookmark manager + browser Dec 20 20:06:45 i don't know if i have an account that's delicous :) Dec 20 20:07:27 ok, i'm ready to test Dec 20 20:07:44 do you have bookmarks already in delicious? Dec 20 20:07:51 yeah Dec 20 20:07:55 k 1 sec Dec 20 20:08:46 http://prototypic.net/pre/com.prototypic.browsermarks_1.0.0_all.ipk Dec 20 20:08:56 haeffb: it would not be that easy to change the hint text would it? Dec 20 20:08:57 er... Dec 20 20:09:00 404 :( Dec 20 20:09:13 lonestar: why not? Dec 20 20:09:46 not sure why not Dec 20 20:09:55 ah Dec 20 20:10:03 because the hint text is in the attributes Dec 20 20:10:21 yeah, good question if you can change it Dec 20 20:10:26 but what would be the command instead of "this.textboxModel.value"? Dec 20 20:10:38 prototypiclaptop: i get a 404 Dec 20 20:10:50 yea my iis isnt set up for ipk files Dec 20 20:11:01 lonestar: for changing the hint text? Dec 20 20:11:02 http://prototypic.net/pre/BrowserMarks.zip Dec 20 20:11:55 swisstomcat: yes Dec 20 20:11:59 * haeffb is not using ares Dec 20 20:12:29 but you can't change attributes of a widget after setupWidget() Dec 20 20:12:34 * swisstomcat testing Dec 20 20:12:36 * kesne is using ares Dec 20 20:13:04 prototypiclaptop: "more" should be disabled if there's no search term entered Dec 20 20:13:14 * kesne uses ares for Wordpress for WebOS Dec 20 20:13:26 yea, it wasnt obvious how to do that with ares Dec 20 20:14:03 the login preferences worked for you tho? Dec 20 20:14:14 looks like, no errors so far Dec 20 20:14:19 great Dec 20 20:14:24 but no results either Dec 20 20:14:30 oh Dec 20 20:14:41 without developer mode, can I install preware in the emulator? Dec 20 20:14:43 ares is confusing at some points Dec 20 20:14:49 they need a vid tutorial Dec 20 20:15:20 prototypiclaptop: the first letter in the tag search entry box is always upper case, kinda distracting Dec 20 20:15:41 hmm, tag search doesn't find anything Dec 20 20:15:44 good point Dec 20 20:16:00 weird tag search works for me Dec 20 20:16:11 thanks for your help Dec 20 20:17:01 how could i test if it really works? Dec 20 20:18:03 oh Dec 20 20:18:05 it works now Dec 20 20:18:16 had to enter my login information again Dec 20 20:18:24 anyone know the proper command to change "hint text from a "text box"? Dec 20 20:18:33 certain tags seem to not work, maybe the casing is screwing it up Dec 20 20:19:38 works well now Dec 20 20:20:05 sounds like iv got some bugs to work out before i submit Dec 20 20:20:17 is that an ares only project? Dec 20 20:20:18 LoneStar34: You can't change the hint text after setupWidget() Dec 20 20:21:04 haeffb: you can't or can? Dec 20 20:21:13 can't Dec 20 20:21:26 it's in attributes. Attributes can't be changed. Dec 20 20:22:19 swiss me? or lonestar Dec 20 20:22:27 you Dec 20 20:22:33 yes ares only Dec 20 20:22:36 cool Dec 20 20:22:54 haeffb: is there a workaround instead of placing the "hint text" in the setupWidget() doing some tweak with javascript? Dec 20 20:24:19 i dunno. you might be able to cobble together a div that rides on top of the textbox, then hide it when the user starts typing. seems like a lot of work, though. Dec 20 20:24:27 why does the hint text need to change? Dec 20 20:25:03 You can put a label in the textbox, then change that. Dec 20 20:25:11 swisstomcat have you made any apps? Dec 20 20:25:27 haeffb: depending on what the dude/ or dudette clicks, the hint text would change Dec 20 20:27:43 it's really not that important, but would be killer if it would be easy to implement Dec 20 20:28:46 do you have a label? Dec 20 20:32:08 haeffb: on the text field? never really used labels on CSS Dec 20 20:32:38 but if it can make the changing of hint text, then I will do what ever it takes.. Dec 20 20:33:22 it's not going to be the same as hint text, but you can easily change the label depending on a click Dec 20 20:34:49 haeffb: well that might work "label": can you pastebin an example? Dec 20 20:35:14 here's an example of how to include a label on the textfield: http://www.pastie.org/751033 Dec 20 20:35:53 since I've given the label div an id, I can then use: Dec 20 20:35:54 this.controller.get('beginLabel').innerHTML = $L('Begin'); Dec 20 20:36:57 this shows what the labels look like: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/220436-milez.html Dec 20 20:37:02 can I emulate the orange button in the emulator? Dec 20 20:37:14 alex_: ALT Dec 20 20:37:46 thanks haeffb Dec 20 20:37:51 haeffb: a LABEL the same as: '
enter search text
" OR a replacement of... Dec 20 20:41:39
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Dec 20 20:42:12 the label class defines font/color/etc so it show up correctly on the textfield Dec 20 20:42:59 haeffb: thank you Dec 20 20:43:18 will test it out as soon as i fix some xml stuff Dec 20 20:44:24 Did you guys get Lists working in Ares? Dec 20 20:44:31 to implement fading on the scroller.Widget: do I provide the fades or does the device render them automatically? Dec 20 20:45:08 provide I mean having to make fades in Photoshop? Dec 20 20:45:25 So I got my iPhone two days ago... Dec 20 20:47:38 kesne: "you want to drive, twitter, conference call, and order pizza at once" "We Have an App for That!" Dec 20 20:54:10 kesne: Keen Studios is diversifying? Dec 20 21:01:04 u around atlanta? Dec 20 21:07:51 prototypiclaptop: to apps in stealth mode still Dec 20 21:08:35 whats stealth mode? military apps? Dec 20 21:08:38 one is local public transport search and the other a cowcan-type app Dec 20 21:08:48 unreleased Dec 20 21:09:02 why? Dec 20 21:09:16 Bmyers: I've added drawers to the list in Milez... :) Dec 20 21:09:16 don't know if they're release-ready Dec 20 21:09:33 i would have expected that from you haeffb Dec 20 21:10:12 haeffb PM Dec 20 21:10:32 bmyers: you can test the moo! app if you like Dec 20 21:10:55 sure. i'd like to see it actually.. Dec 20 21:12:09 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.moo_1.0.0_all.ipk Dec 20 21:12:22 you have to test it on the real device tho Dec 20 21:12:36 because it uses the accelerometer Dec 20 21:12:41 i would imagine.. Dec 20 21:12:42 and sound Dec 20 21:13:22 anybody has developed a Augmented Reality app? Dec 20 21:13:50 alex: don't think the SDK has the necessary apis to do it Dec 20 21:14:26 if they show a working video recorder app, that would be a first step Dec 20 21:14:59 google goggles would be cool .. and should be possible to do Dec 20 21:23:05 google goggles? Dec 20 21:23:38 use pictures to search the web Dec 20 21:23:40 http://www.google.com/mobile/goggles/ Dec 20 21:24:12 i cant wait for video sdk I'm so making som augmented reality apps Dec 20 21:24:18 I'v got great ideas Dec 20 21:24:41 btw is there a simple way to include app menu on all views? Dec 20 21:25:34 lol whats the point of moo? Dec 20 21:25:45 does it work? Dec 20 21:25:50 yes Dec 20 21:25:55 it's for kids Dec 20 21:26:00 nice eggs Dec 20 21:26:13 id like to see the bluetooth sdk opened up as well I want to hook up my wiimotes Dec 20 21:26:14 the love animals and voices .. at least my son Dec 20 21:26:46 i have a sneaking feeling that kids apps would sell like hotcakes Dec 20 21:27:03 "nice eggs" meant for IM Dec 20 21:27:10 if i could keep my daughter entertained for even 30 minutes I'd pay upwards of 10$ for that Dec 20 21:27:12 i just have to finish it up Dec 20 21:27:35 how many animals do i need to provide to keep her entertained for 30min? Dec 20 21:28:00 lol she's three, 30 minutes is expensive Dec 20 21:28:21 youtube and nickjr games gets about 30 minutes at a time Dec 20 21:28:44 so you would actually buy moo? Dec 20 21:28:55 not saying that Dec 20 21:29:08 it seems just to be pics on a page Dec 20 21:29:21 and sound Dec 20 21:29:28 oh i didnt have sound Dec 20 21:29:30 1 sec Dec 20 21:29:38 shake it :) Dec 20 21:29:56 rofl Dec 20 21:30:00 nice Dec 20 21:30:09 :) Dec 20 21:31:13 now i just have to figure out to make the sound if you turn the phone on its head and back (like a cow-can) Dec 20 21:31:15 your on to something, you should make a spin mode where it randomly pics a pic/sound Dec 20 21:31:25 like those toys "the cow says Mooo" Dec 20 21:31:48 yeah Dec 20 21:31:49 my daughter requested a chicken Dec 20 21:31:58 or old teddy bears Dec 20 21:32:05 i can do a chicken Dec 20 21:32:41 lol you have a winner, my daughter likes it Dec 20 21:32:51 * swisstomcat jumps up and down Dec 20 21:32:55 i have found my market! Dec 20 21:33:16 i'll do one app for every animal Dec 20 21:33:19 har har Dec 20 21:37:32 swisstomcat: That idea has real potential, if done right. Dec 20 21:38:03 haeffb: i think so, that's why i'm still working on it Dec 20 21:39:20 * haeffb likes the idea of shaking for a random pic/sound. Dec 20 21:39:25 swisstomcat: nice app. wonder if there is a way to reduce the lag from shake to sound ... Dec 20 21:40:18 how many webOS devices can Palm sell to the 3 to 5 yr old demographic? Dec 20 21:40:22 never noticed that, rwhitby Dec 20 21:40:42 haeffb: i expect mom and dad to buy the apps for their kids Dec 20 21:41:10 rwhitby: i have like a max 1 sec delay Dec 20 21:41:20 swisstomcat: yeah, same here. Dec 20 21:42:21 you think that's a problem? Dec 20 21:42:24 swisstomcat: I'm interested from the technical point of view - what is the minimum response time from accel sensing to sound output Dec 20 21:42:31 oh Dec 20 21:42:47 good question Dec 20 21:42:47 anyone know how to make a button that's just an image? Dec 20 21:43:03 I'm assuming you're not adding any delay, so that must be it for a normal webOS application Dec 20 21:43:32 hadak: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3531&hilit=image+button Dec 20 21:43:48 great, thanks swisstomcat Dec 20 21:44:57 rwhitby: i'm usind the listener for shaking, it probably has a minimum magnitude before it fires Dec 20 21:49:43 prototypiclaptop: i've added the chicken Dec 20 21:49:45 swisstomcat - looks like well be in competition now Dec 20 21:50:01 ctladvance: you have something similar? Dec 20 21:50:17 Yes working an a button for every animal same asyou Dec 20 21:50:25 we started with Cow Says Moo! Button Dec 20 21:50:33 The audio lag is a killer however Dec 20 21:50:50 can i test your app? Dec 20 21:50:58 Its in the app store Dec 20 21:51:05 sorry app catalog Dec 20 21:51:43 oh Dec 20 21:51:43 I have more improvements we are testing that will be implemented in an update this week as well as a new apps Dec 20 21:51:56 a few new apps* Dec 20 21:52:16 competition is good Dec 20 21:52:19 Yes it is Dec 20 21:52:44 can't find it in the app store tho .. i'm in europe :( Dec 20 21:53:02 ERR.. it was a free app so it should be... ill have to ping my manager Dec 20 21:53:25 what's the name of the app? cow says moo? Dec 20 21:53:34 :) Thanks for letting me know.. then for now we wont be competition :D Dec 20 21:53:50 not for long! :) Dec 20 21:53:53 * rwhitby fooled his GSM Pre into thinking it's a Sprint CDMA Pre as far as the app catalog is concerned ... Dec 20 21:54:16 ctladvance: wait until i have an app for every mammal on earth! :) Dec 20 21:54:32 AAARGH so were doing this brighthouse style I see Dec 20 21:54:39 yep Dec 20 21:54:44 Then its on Dec 20 21:54:47 ghey Dec 20 21:54:48 its on like donkey kong Dec 20 21:54:50 there are over 5000 mammals Dec 20 21:55:15 why palm allows that is beyond me Dec 20 21:55:18 and if i'm done with mammals i'll go on with birds .. every 8000 of them Dec 20 21:55:21 :-D Dec 20 21:55:45 brb Dec 20 21:57:01 prototypiclaptop: i've uploaded the updated app Dec 20 21:58:21 cool Dec 20 21:58:34 so app menu on every scene? any wasy way? Dec 20 21:58:36 *easy Dec 20 21:58:57 haven't done an app menu yet Dec 20 22:02:41 put the menu model in your app assistant. Dec 20 22:03:24 in each scene, then you just need setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu, myMenuAttribs, myMenuModel); Dec 20 22:03:37 put menu model and attribs in app assistant. Dec 20 22:04:24 can I telnet to the emulator? Dec 20 22:05:05 alex_ yes Dec 20 22:05:27 PrototypicLaptop: here's an example from my appAssistant: http://www.pastie.org/751128 Dec 20 22:06:09 haeffb: what's the default ip? Dec 20 22:06:20 just a sec Dec 20 22:06:43 localhost port 5522 Dec 20 22:06:55 for ssh Dec 20 22:08:25 i dont have app assistant Dec 20 22:08:34 stage and main yea but no app Dec 20 22:08:42 do I just add it manually? Dec 20 22:09:16 snow, snow, snow Dec 20 22:09:29 back, ctladvance? Dec 20 22:17:21 put it in stage assistant Dec 20 22:36:52 anyone have an example of a charsAllow function for textfield widget? Dec 20 22:45:09 it works haeffb ;) thanks! I go see if I can install preware with the root account Dec 20 22:47:22 is catalog.ecommerce.beta@palm.com still the correct email to submit apps? Dec 20 22:47:56 never mind, found it on webos dev forums Dec 20 22:49:22 am I supposed to submit screenshots? Dec 20 22:49:45 yes and no Dec 20 22:50:38 submit by email. Palm will then (er...someday) contact you and upgrade your dev account so that you can resubmit through the dev portal on developer.palm.com Dec 20 22:51:24 then (er...someday) they will review your app and request any needed changes. then (er...someday) they'll re-review and publish Dec 20 22:52:38 why er... someday? Dec 20 22:52:47 thought most people got approvals within 2 or 3 days Dec 20 22:55:04 grrr I'm trying to get the preware ipkg to install in the emulator directly with scp and then ipkg -i, but I can't find it. Can I instal it in the emulator? I see the Web OS Installaer, but I'm a linux user Dec 20 22:55:56 alex_: just use WebOS Quick Install Dec 20 22:56:16 or run the .jar stand-alone installer Dec 20 22:56:54 rwhitby: they ask me for the WebOS Doctro Dec 20 22:57:18 alex_: yes, you need that for the novacomd drivers Dec 20 22:57:26 Palm don't distribute them separately. Dec 20 23:02:50 phew got my first app submission complete Dec 20 23:02:58 * PrototypicLaptop crosses fingers Dec 20 23:03:09 I want to quit my 9-5 already Dec 20 23:09:05 I have it! thanks rwhitby Dec 20 23:17:56 is Roy-Pre101 in here? Dec 20 23:32:37 ;bleh Dec 20 23:32:44 only 0.04 left on my amazon gc Dec 20 23:32:48 stupid xmas gifts Dec 20 23:33:13 time to start preFtp Dec 20 23:34:25 dawm_ Dec 20 23:34:35 does presdk offer any file io? Dec 20 23:34:39 no Dec 20 23:34:43 kesne, ? Dec 20 23:34:49 Ok.. @Palm gurus! Dec 20 23:34:57 Does the Camera Geotag photos? Dec 20 23:35:12 with a preference setting, yes Dec 20 23:35:26 * dBsooner looks in the camera app prefs Dec 20 23:35:51 it's in the general Location Services preference app Dec 20 23:36:36 sure is.. thanks. Dec 20 23:36:56 now I wonder if Pixelpipe handle's those geotags in the metadata when manipulating them Dec 20 23:41:10 preftp nice Dec 20 23:41:31 can't wait Dec 20 23:42:56 well im not sure of the point if you cant download random file types Dec 20 23:43:20 maybe ill just make an html editor with ftp support Dec 20 23:44:06 booo Dec 20 23:50:09 bleh iv got all of programmable web to push through, ill keep ftp till later Dec 21 00:15:53 how do you trace luna events? Like i want to know why when I tap on a certain part of a notification, the notification doesn't clear. Dec 21 00:17:25 you could strace lunasysmgr but its a mess imo Dec 21 00:22:43 nice Dec 21 00:22:58 how else would I trace a notification routine? Dec 21 00:34:31 zsoc: yeah, strace'ing LunaSysMgr is a mess Dec 21 00:35:46 dBsooner: maybe a grep or 2 :) Dec 21 00:35:53 like 500? Dec 21 00:36:16 i'll just wait for lclarkjr to respond to my email.. I am tired of triyng to figure this out Dec 21 01:13:18 hi all! Dec 21 01:18:25 hmm. i can't figure out how to get picture buttons like the shopping cart one in the app catalog :\ Dec 21 01:22:58 Think that's based on the command menu. Should be able to put your own icon into one. Dec 21 01:24:14 erm. command menu? Dec 21 01:24:19 i don't see that in ares Dec 21 01:24:41 It's not built into Ares right now. You'll have to hand code it in as part of your setup. Dec 21 01:25:02 Check here for more: http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Menu.html#.commandMenu Dec 21 01:25:10 that would explain why i'm having such a tough time figuring it out ^^ Dec 21 01:25:14 thanks FoxFireX :) Dec 21 01:54:03 Swiss must have left? Dec 21 02:31:48 hi all...i had to webDoc my phone and reinstall preware...but the patches section is greyed out. Any ideas on how I can fix it? Dec 21 02:32:28 what version of webos did you install Dec 21 02:32:45 Not sure if it's related, but did you reinstall the package manager as well? Dec 21 02:32:58 also I think rwhitby would be the one to help Dec 21 02:33:06 yup installed package manager Dec 21 02:33:14 what vers....i have no idea let me check Dec 21 02:33:18 Okay, that's the end of what I can suggest. :) Dec 21 02:34:34 CTLAdvance sure enough old os Dec 21 02:37:09 run the updates Dec 21 02:37:20 yup on it Dec 21 02:41:43 I hate css Dec 21 02:42:39 <_ivanst_> anyone here running the SDK on OS X? Dec 21 02:43:12 <_ivanst_> or maybe it's more generic... does anyone have the feeling that the inspector is a horrible piece of shit that requires almost constant emulator restarts? Dec 21 02:43:55 Shouldn't need to use it much anyway Dec 21 02:44:24 <_ivanst_> reality9110: why not? Dec 21 02:44:35 Because you can't really need to use it Dec 21 02:44:40 <_ivanst_> (if that was the answer to the inspector question) Dec 21 02:44:55 can't should be don't. Dec 21 02:45:30 You don't need to use it. I just displays mainly layout information. It's a lot easier to just use Mojo.Log to do the rest of it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 21 02:59:57 2009