, why does the scroller auto scroll that div to top of screen Dec 26 04:09:39 As in, it opened a blank page Dec 26 04:09:46 lol kk Dec 26 04:10:05 special offer code Dec 26 04:10:07 BREAKF Dec 26 04:10:13 That's for breakfast Dec 26 04:10:36 so, you'll pay $500 for a room, but only $9.99 for breakfast! Dec 26 04:11:15 that's not what the rates gave Dec 26 04:11:51 127 each night? Dec 26 04:11:53 If I'm eating breakfast down on the Gulf Coast, I'm eating a shrimp omlette at a nondescript shack on the boardwalk...not whatever crap they have at the hotel. Dec 26 04:11:57 grand club Dec 26 04:12:03 lol Dec 26 04:12:27 Suite... Dec 26 04:13:20 hi all Dec 26 04:13:32 hiya Dec 26 04:13:47 I'm a bit picky when it comes to accommodations. Dec 26 04:13:56 ok found casita suite 219 a night Dec 26 04:14:08 Yes. That's the one I'm looking at. Dec 26 04:14:27 looks like your best bet Dec 26 04:14:57 only two days? Dec 26 04:15:00 It's just that it's a Hyatt...and I figured there would be a coupon code Dec 26 04:15:01 Yeah Dec 26 04:15:35 i think you should cancel them all and make reservations down here..me and josh will take you to the zoo Dec 26 04:16:06 You do of course realize that Tampa has one of the best zoos in the US, right? Dec 26 04:16:20 we have baby pandas Dec 26 04:16:25 you can't beat baby pandas Dec 26 04:17:46 and we have the wild animal park Dec 26 04:18:23 There's a great safari over on Palm Beach Dec 26 04:18:32 Florida has better beaches though Dec 26 04:18:52 we have better weather Dec 26 04:19:03 But...the beaches Dec 26 04:19:10 lol Dec 26 04:19:11 eh...eh... Dec 26 04:19:16 we have great beaches too Dec 26 04:19:22 lol Dec 26 04:19:32 Have you been to the Gulf coast beaches? Dec 26 04:19:49 yes Dec 26 04:20:01 and ours are better... Dec 26 04:20:08 Then that's all that needs to be said about that pissing contest Dec 26 04:20:14 lol Dec 26 04:20:26 the safari sounds cool Dec 26 04:20:28 Missouri has great beaches....uh....not. Dec 26 04:20:48 hehe Dec 26 04:20:49 There's no beating the beaches at places like Destin, Pensacola, Navarre. Dec 26 04:20:55 Whitest sand in the world. Dec 26 04:21:09 Very fine quartz. Dec 26 07:07:16 Hi all!! Dec 26 07:50:33 hi Dec 26 10:46:50 anyone any idea if this is the correct location for making suggestion to future improvements of the webos system? In addition to my clock complaint, I have two other ones: Dec 26 10:48:06 when writing text messages (SMS), it would be nice to be asked if the message should be really sent. Right now, it is sent without further asking when I accidentially hit enter or the send icon, which is a little annoying due to the non-free nature in terms of costs for a message Dec 26 10:49:42 secondly, I'd find it nice to be able to set the system language independently from the language of messages and emails: I usually have an English user interface, but write German messages and emails, which contain umlauts, and thus the German selection dialog for the sym button is more helpful than the English one Dec 26 10:55:13 hullo folks ^_^ Dec 26 16:48:56 howdy haeffb! Dec 26 16:49:59 hey ls34 Dec 26 16:50:14 how was your xmas? Dec 26 16:50:39 great. yours? Dec 26 16:54:41 very chill, for once, no all nighter Dec 26 16:58:06 finally got a dev account, so uploading app info now Dec 26 16:58:18 sweet Dec 26 16:59:43 congrads Dec 26 16:59:45 have you done any coding over the holidays? Dec 26 16:59:48 thanks Dec 26 17:00:02 yes, working on something now... Dec 26 17:00:22 weekends, evenings are the only chances I get to work on apps Dec 26 17:01:26 dawm: did you set up a LLC or anything like that for swap&drop? Dec 26 17:01:42 no Dec 26 17:01:47 So coding now, I assume! Dec 26 17:01:58 so it's just personal income? Dec 26 17:01:58 not yet atleast Dec 26 17:02:00 yeh Dec 26 17:02:23 trying to decide how to go IF I ever submit a paid app Dec 26 17:04:35 what version of WebOS is the SDK62 running? Dec 26 17:05:05 Can I have a date picker and time picker both using the same date object for a model? Dec 26 17:05:45 Yes. Yes, I can. Dec 26 17:05:58 that's pretty cool. Dec 26 17:09:43 haeffb, if i do goto a LLC ill be using legalzoom.com ive had a few buddies go thru them and it was a smoooth quick process Dec 26 17:15:06 thanks, I'll check that out Dec 26 17:23:51 was the first SDK available 1.0.0? Dec 26 17:29:00 dunno. Dec 26 17:29:09 1.1.3 I think was the first that I used. Dec 26 17:29:58 was thast sdk62? Dec 26 17:30:11 I do not recall Dec 26 17:30:46 cuss, need to fill, "minimum version of the WebOS" in the app upload... Dec 26 17:31:29 what's the min version you've tested with? Dec 26 17:31:40 have sdk62, downloaded in july.... Dec 26 17:32:00 there's really no need to go lower than the currently available version(s) in whatever country you're allowing to use Dec 26 17:32:02 and the apps work with that, but not sure what WebOS version it is Dec 26 17:32:17 do you have it loaded on the emu? Dec 26 17:32:47 webOS automatically updates is that right? Dec 26 17:33:00 yes. Dec 26 17:33:23 If you load sdk62 on the emulator, you can go to Device Info to see the version Dec 26 17:35:40 oh ok, will do that Dec 26 17:36:33 haeffb: within the palm emulator or virtualbox menu? Dec 26 17:43:09 palm emu. Dec 26 17:43:24 third launcher page has "Device Info" app Dec 26 17:44:45 haeffb: wow did not even know that exsisted... LOL got it it is version 1.1SDK Dec 26 17:46:09 thanks! sometimes i'm oblivious to certain things! Dec 26 20:35:49 zzzZZZzzzz Dec 26 20:51:38 hm... Dec 26 20:51:49 facebook api is behaving in ways that i'm not sure i understand... Dec 26 20:54:09 problems? Dec 26 21:08:16 it's randomly not returning status messages for certain users... Dec 26 21:08:41 (some of which i am closely related to, so i asked them to see if they have any special paranoid settings on their accounts) Dec 26 21:17:11 I was thinking about taking a stab at a facebook client. But, I don't have a facebook account Dec 26 21:17:25 heh Dec 26 21:17:58 And I don't think they'd let me stick ads in it Dec 26 21:40:05 i'm pretty much done with mine... Dec 26 21:40:59 i'm hanging on the edge of "show to testers today or tomorrow?" Dec 26 21:41:16 mostly trying to finetune some crap... like some notifications for uploads, etc... Dec 26 21:42:29 actually... i'm not even going to stick ads into this thing. i'm going to set it free. Dec 26 21:42:37 or attempt to sell it to facebook :-p Dec 26 21:42:43 because their client is a piece of shit Dec 26 21:43:09 You'd get probably $5000 max for selling Dec 26 21:43:28 i can test it if you want Dec 26 21:43:32 who cares? five grand is five grand, and it'd look good on my resume Dec 26 21:43:48 More money in ads Dec 26 21:44:02 And you still get it on your resume Dec 26 21:46:15 swisstomcat: can you /msg me your e-mail? i'm aiming for a first full, testable version during the day tomorrow... Dec 26 21:47:31 anyone else wants in on decent facebook action? :-) Dec 26 21:50:12 I would...but...no facebook Dec 26 21:53:07 ivanst: tomcat@inorbit.com Dec 26 21:53:08 Hopefully next version of my app will be available in a few days Dec 26 21:53:33 swisstomcat: thanks! Dec 26 21:53:47 And then...world domination Dec 26 21:54:16 Well, after I can find somebody to translate into German and Spanish that is. Dec 26 21:54:28 i could help with german Dec 26 21:54:35 Native speaker? Dec 26 21:54:41 yeah Dec 26 21:54:46 From Germany? Dec 26 21:54:47 * swisstomcat is swiss :) Dec 26 21:54:51 euch Dec 26 21:55:02 switzerdeutsch? Dec 26 21:55:07 swisstomcat: You want to take a shot at it? Dec 26 21:55:14 why not? Dec 26 21:55:21 chuchichäschtli Dec 26 21:55:35 I warn you, it's 144 words Dec 26 21:56:06 i can take a look at it Dec 26 21:56:17 Alright, I'm emailing it to you Dec 26 21:58:36 Alright sent it off to you Dec 26 21:58:47 don't ask me for spanish tho :) Dec 26 21:59:23 Yeah. I actually need two Spanishes. One for Latin America (Mexico) and one for Spain Dec 26 21:59:32 doesn't sound too bad Dec 26 21:59:38 does radiotime work in switzerland? Dec 26 21:59:47 It works world wide Dec 26 22:00:33 cool, it has 11 radio stations here Dec 26 22:00:46 It's already in the App Catalog in the US, over 30,000 downloads. Dec 26 22:01:21 cool Dec 26 22:02:08 hm... i have a sash on my app that says "crap" because the current version is "0.crap" maybe i should change that too... Dec 26 22:06:42 anyone have a few methods around for adding listeners to an array and clearing them out later? Dec 26 22:07:37 what listeners? Dec 26 22:07:45 Bmyers: What are you trying to do? Dec 26 22:08:18 i add some listeners on the fly and need to stoplistening when i cleanup Dec 26 22:08:54 I meant for what purpose Dec 26 22:09:21 this.handleTap = this.TapHandler.bindAsEventListener(this); Dec 26 22:09:21 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get('XX'),Mojo.Event.listTap,this.handleTap); Dec 26 22:09:28 i usually do these two steps Dec 26 22:09:42 that way you can use this.handleTap in cleanup Dec 26 22:10:37 i add listeners dynamically to a list Dec 26 22:11:11 you could store the handlers in an array too Dec 26 22:11:20 thats what i am trying to do Dec 26 22:11:27 doesn't work? Dec 26 22:11:49 nope, how do you pass mojo.event.listap as a param? Dec 26 22:12:10 can you show some code? Dec 26 22:12:20 yeah gimme a sec Dec 26 22:15:06 hey all Dec 26 22:15:19 heya Dec 26 22:15:24 http://webos.pastebin.com/d29147fe2 Dec 26 22:17:30 hmm Dec 26 22:17:49 So I am getting closer to getting an understanding of sound. I finally have it loading any playing different sounds correctly without having to create a new object every time... Dec 26 22:17:59 (any=and) Dec 26 22:18:21 lyht: had some problems too at the beginning Dec 26 22:18:27 but I am still seeing my number of open handles climb and climb Dec 26 22:18:43 every time a sound is played. Dec 26 22:19:36 nope. I lied. not just when sounds are playing. I just looked at worm, and my app is just sitting there waiting for input and the handles are climbing. Dec 26 22:19:59 bmyers: how far does it work? Dec 26 22:20:15 lyht: how do you play sound? Dec 26 22:20:40 i'm feeling silly about this, but here are a few first screenshots of my FB client... http://whoops.development.algis.hr/bluewasp/ Dec 26 22:20:53 Error: <====== helpers.js add listener error: examplesEvent Type:mojo-list-tapListener:function (event) { return __method.apply(object, [event || global.window.event].concat(args)); }, file:///var/usr/palm/applications/com.wpsee.hours/index.html:0 Dec 26 22:20:53 Error: <====== helpers.js add listener error: examplesEvent Type:mojo-list-tapListener:function (event) { return __method.apply(object, [event || global.window.event].concat(args)); }, file:///var/usr/palm/applications/com.wpsee.hours/index.html:0 Dec 26 22:20:56 oops Dec 26 22:21:41 ivanst: looking good Dec 26 22:21:50 ivanst: is crap lower than beta? :) Dec 26 22:22:07 swisstomcat: i think it goes crap->alpha->beta->rc->release :D Dec 26 22:22:15 heh Dec 26 22:22:21 doesn't look like crap tho Dec 26 22:23:16 swisstomcat: AudioTag.extendElement, then addEventListener(Media.Event.X_PALM_CONNECT, then once connected, add a listener for load that plays on load. Then when I want to play a sound, call this.controller.get("sound").src and load(). ("sound" is my div I extended) Dec 26 22:23:39 swisstomcat: it's been born out of my frustrations really. i'm doing it for myself. for the experience. anything else is... well... nice. Dec 26 22:25:10 lyht: looks similar .. i'm also resetting the audio object before loading a new sound and playing it Dec 26 22:26:05 how are you reseting the object? calling extendElement again? Dec 26 22:26:24 this.audioPlayer.src = null; Dec 26 22:26:24 this.audioPlayer.load(); Dec 26 22:26:46 and then .src = new sound; .load();? Dec 26 22:27:05 .src=file, .play() Dec 26 22:27:43 bmyers: i would restructure it Dec 26 22:27:54 did you find that you dont have to call load when getting the sound? It autoloads when .src=file? Dec 26 22:28:05 bmyers: or question .. why do you need dynamic listeners on a list? Dec 26 22:28:21 lyht: yeah Dec 26 22:28:28 apparently Dec 26 22:28:45 .src=null, .load(), .src=file, .play() Dec 26 22:28:46 works Dec 26 22:30:48 question about the app menu Dec 26 22:31:36 is "about" enough or do you have to leave edit/settings/help in? Dec 26 22:32:15 swiss: restructure how? Dec 26 22:32:52 swisstomcat: you need to have a help scene and a help menu item Dec 26 22:33:13 yetdog: oh Dec 26 22:33:37 bmyers: is it always a listTap event? Dec 26 22:33:37 Bmyers: why dynamic listeners on items in a list? why not just listen on the list itself? Dec 26 22:33:51 that's what i was asking too :) Dec 26 22:34:05 is it necessary/recommended/even possible to cleanup a list object when you pop a scene? Dec 26 22:34:17 i have a scene that sometimes loads a huge (1500+ items) list Dec 26 22:34:25 * haeffb can't look at the pastebin - expired Dec 26 22:34:29 and when i pop that scene, the scene before it is choppy for a good long while Dec 26 22:34:31 10 seconds or more Dec 26 22:34:41 so im guessing the list is running rampant on memory Dec 26 22:34:57 not always a litap event, an event. I got it working now. Dec 26 22:35:26 i dont have any listeners on the list, not needed. but still wondering if theres anything to cleanup on pop Dec 26 22:35:45 wouldn't the GC do it's job? Dec 26 22:36:00 after you exit the app Dec 26 22:36:10 not exciting the app - just the scene Dec 26 22:36:18 exiting* Dec 26 22:36:27 :) Dec 26 22:37:06 you could try to clear the list Dec 26 22:37:17 use an empty array and change the model Dec 26 22:37:48 is there a javascript destroy variable function? Dec 26 22:37:56 perhaps i could destroy the list rather than programatically clear it Dec 26 22:40:30 delet(mycar); Dec 26 22:40:33 delete Dec 26 22:40:39 can't tell if it really wqorks Dec 26 22:40:40 not having luck setting modelProperty of a listSelector to anything other than "value" Dec 26 22:40:51 myvar Dec 26 22:40:56 man,, I cant type Dec 26 22:41:45 hehe Dec 26 22:41:56 it runs fine on the emu but was having problems on my device Dec 26 22:42:02 anything wrong with this? http://www.pastie.org/757283 Dec 26 22:42:03 also not really sure the renderLimit Dec 26 22:42:14 not sure what a good value for that would be, if anything Dec 26 22:42:48 var stuff=[]; this.myListModel["items"]= stuff; this.controller.modelChanged(this.myListMode,this); Dec 26 22:43:05 yeah Dec 26 22:44:26 if I change 'value1' to 'value' everything works Dec 26 22:46:44 i also removed the renderlimit setting, which seems to have made the app a lot lighter in palm-worm Dec 26 23:00:36 Anyone know how to prevent a element to get focus on scene push? I'm having a scene with a bunch of (non focusable) elements + 2 textfields. Even if I set "autoFocus: false" in the attributes, they still get focused at push Dec 26 23:03:51 this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement(null); Dec 26 23:04:59 haeffb: worked like a charm. Thanks! Dec 26 23:15:52 * ivanst howls at the moon Dec 27 00:02:59 * ivanst thinks one simple line saved him a lot of typing (at the global level): var $$$ = Mojo.Log.info; Dec 27 00:10:32 does anyone know... are base scene html files parsed in the same way that Mojo.View.render does it? ie. is it possible to inject an object somewhere that i could then use for templates directly inside the scene html? Dec 27 00:11:24 that sure would save me a fucklot of work :-/ Dec 27 00:30:32 ugh what a day what a day.. Dec 27 00:30:38 finally got all my stuff setup in the new apt. Dec 27 00:30:48 tv, bed, desk and pc Dec 27 00:39:25 heh... Dec 27 00:39:30 not a lot of baggage Dec 27 01:08:48 hi all! Dec 27 01:09:12 hi jenp Dec 27 01:09:23 hey haeffb Dec 27 01:09:25 are we still learning sqlite together? Dec 27 01:09:53 yup...although i think you're learning it much faster than i Dec 27 01:11:30 I need some feedback on user interface on Milez before I get too far down this path. Anyone game? Dec 27 01:12:07 sure Dec 27 01:12:25 haeffb at yahoo Dec 27 01:31:22 haeffb: still looking for feedback on UI? Dec 27 01:56:59 Anybody know how to actually size webview? Dec 27 02:48:27 sugardav1: You ever figure out how to resize webview? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 27 02:59:56 2009