**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 29 02:59:57 2009
Dec 29 03:00:01 <zsoc> haeffb: uninstall/reinstall the package manager
Dec 29 03:00:01 <yetdog_> or thats what i was reading in internals, i think
Dec 29 03:00:07 <bryanroth1> looks like you have to uninstall then reinstall preware and the package manager
Dec 29 03:00:15 <bryanroth1> in order to get preware to work again
Dec 29 03:00:18 <yetdog_> "To fix Preware, use WebOS Quick Install 2.96 to remove and then reinstall the Package Manger Service. Then hit the update feeds menu item."
Dec 29 03:00:36 * haeffb thinks maybe I'll uninstall the package manager service
Dec 29 03:01:49 * haeffb goes to DL WOQI 2.96
Dec 29 03:02:01 <bryanroth1> haeffb: link?
Dec 29 03:02:07 <bryanroth1> (I'm lazy)
Dec 29 03:02:16 <haeffb> just a sec...
Dec 29 03:02:17 <yetdog_> damn. now froze @ palm half fade logo
Dec 29 03:02:44 <kesne> Yetdog!
Dec 29 03:02:46 <haeffb> http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/206905-webos-quick-install-v2-96-a.html
Dec 29 03:02:58 <bryanroth1> haeffb: ty
Dec 29 03:03:01 * rbredow is bummed.  After the 1.3.5 update, Paratroopers runs v-e-r-y-s-l-o-w-l-y.  Ouch
Dec 29 03:03:46 * haeffb wonders if I have to reenable Dev mode
Dec 29 03:04:09 <yetdog_> yo kesne
Dec 29 03:04:16 <jfelectron> rbredow: somehow ironic given opengl-es underpinnings delivered
Dec 29 03:04:17 <yetdog_> my pre is hosed due to this update :(
Dec 29 03:04:27 <yetdog_> sitting @ palm logo
Dec 29 03:04:28 <kesne> heh
Dec 29 03:04:44 <kesne> Paratroopers sucks
Dec 29 03:04:49 <kesne> But only because of how good it is
Dec 29 03:04:59 <rbredow> :)
Dec 29 03:05:23 <kesne> rbredow: you the dev of it?
Dec 29 03:05:30 <Mercury> Any new calendar sync options/account types?
Dec 29 03:05:31 <rbredow> Yes.  Paratrooper is mine.
Dec 29 03:05:51 <jfelectron> rbredow: I wonder if Canvas acceleration is semi-implemented and is causing problems
Dec 29 03:05:57 <bryanroth1> rbredow: paratroopers is running smoothly on my pre
Dec 29 03:06:11 * haeffb finds that, no, I don't have to reenable dev mode
Dec 29 03:06:13 <bryanroth1> rbredow: i think it's just sluggish after a big update like that
Dec 29 03:06:16 <yetdog_> WOW its alive
Dec 29 03:06:23 <rbredow> jfelectron:  I kind of doubt it.
Dec 29 03:06:48 <yetdog_> and at 1.3.5. amazing!
Dec 29 03:06:50 <rbredow> bryanroth1:  I'm glad to hear it.  Do you have the Paratroopers v1.2 with sound?  I noticed mine plays smoother when I've got sound turned off.
Dec 29 03:07:06 <rbredow> Hopefully it'll get faster after the new version is done doing stuff.
Dec 29 03:07:26 <bryanroth1> rbredow: no...perhaps that's my problem...downloading v1.2
Dec 29 03:07:33 <jfelectron> rbredow: so do I....just thinking of potential sources
Dec 29 03:08:13 * haeffb moves Preware to the 2nd launcher page next to App Catalog where it belongs
Dec 29 03:08:36 <entity-> you can do that?
Dec 29 03:08:57 <haeffb> you talkin to me?
Dec 29 03:09:24 <haeffb> 1448 available packages in Preware
Dec 29 03:10:48 <rbredow> Looks like the 1.3.5 update wipes out "some" cookies as well.  This is going to be fun.
Dec 29 03:13:41 <bryanroth1> rbredow: How do you enable sound in v1.2?
Dec 29 03:14:08 <rbredow> They are just system sounds.  Make sure your sound tab is on and then make sure your system sounds are turned up loud enough to hear it.
Dec 29 03:15:22 <entity-> has 1.3.5 hit bell yet?
Dec 29 03:16:37 <bryanroth1> rbredow: lol
Dec 29 03:16:50 <bryanroth1> rbredow: that's awesome! great job!
Dec 29 03:17:14 <rbredow> bryanroth1:  Thanks!
Dec 29 03:21:17 <glorified_g> test test
Dec 29 03:21:54 <Roy-Pre101> How many people have the new update installed now?
Dec 29 03:22:06 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone had any problems with any services or linux apps?
Dec 29 03:22:12 <Roy-Pre101> (that were installed previously)
Dec 29 03:22:23 <Roy-Pre101> Installing now.
Dec 29 03:23:15 <Roy-Pre101> Or not since I let battery fall to 24%
Dec 29 03:23:55 <entity-> stil no bell
Dec 29 03:24:46 <Bmyers> haeffb
Dec 29 03:31:22 <rbredow> bryanroth1:  Did you loose your saved high scores and levels when you updated to 1.3.5?  My cookie was gone after the update.
Dec 29 03:34:50 <qillerneu> zero star review. that hurts :(
Dec 29 03:36:36 <rbredow> qillernue:  It does.  You have to get a thick skin about it.  My "paratrooper mini" app got a 0 star review from someone who couldn't pass level 3.  Of course, he didn't read the instructions or watch the demo video that walks you through it.  Some people are just idiots.
Dec 29 03:43:17 <gkatsev> i dont like the new clock font
Dec 29 03:44:15 <haeffb> wow. Calendar is now useable.
Dec 29 03:46:20 * rbredow likes the new calendar a lot.
Dec 29 04:01:40 <JenP> hi all!
Dec 29 04:02:04 <haeffb> hey Jenp
Dec 29 04:02:08 <haeffb> how's 1.3.5?
Dec 29 04:02:15 <JenP> hey haeffb!
Dec 29 04:02:26 <JenP> idk still downloading
Dec 29 04:03:16 <haeffb> Calendar is now MUCH faster
Dec 29 04:03:43 <haeffb> i would even go so far as to call it acceptable
Dec 29 04:03:53 <JenP> really!
Dec 29 04:03:53 <OrionPK> almost ;)
Dec 29 04:03:56 <JenP> awesome!
Dec 29 04:04:28 <rbredow> It looks like some of the performance problems I was noticing in Paratroopers might be better after playing it a while (or the OS isn't quite as fresh).  Phew.
Dec 29 04:16:01 <rbredow> Looks like cookies from installed apps get wiped out with the 1.3.5 update.
Dec 29 04:17:19 <rbredow> And "search" in the app catalog looks to be much more broken than before.
Dec 29 04:22:01 <fastnloud> I have a pre that does not seem to be able to send MMS to/from another Pre.  Any suggestions?
Dec 29 04:23:01 <fastnloud> I have 2 pres.  One is fine. Other one send/rcv MMS to iphone ok but not pre
Dec 29 04:27:10 <qillerneu> rbredow - not quite confirming about cookies
Dec 29 04:27:26 <rbredow> I hope it's not as widespread as it seems.  But it appears that way.
Dec 29 04:27:44 <qillerneu> both of my own games, installed from appcatalog, seemed to retained them
Dec 29 04:27:50 <rbredow> I'm just guessing it got screwed up if they migrated the apps from one area of storage to another.
Dec 29 04:27:55 <rbredow> Which ones?
Dec 29 04:28:22 <qillerneu> roll quest/tilt gt
Dec 29 04:28:30 <qillerneu> storing nickname in a cookie
Dec 29 04:28:37 <qillerneu> still there after update
Dec 29 04:28:45 <rbredow> Those are great games!  I lost my nickname and open levels on Tilt GT however.  :(
Dec 29 04:28:57 <qillerneu> hrm
Dec 29 04:44:34 <qillerneu> btw, my bad, roll quest is using depot for storage
Dec 29 04:44:42 <qillerneu> forgot about last minute change
Dec 29 04:44:50 <qillerneu> so may be you are right about cookies
Dec 29 04:45:12 <BryanRoth> cookies were wiped
Dec 29 04:45:34 <rbredow> I started a thread here:  http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewforum.php?f=23
Dec 29 04:46:03 <catalystmediastu> rbredow: I just installed webOS 1.3.5 and my cookie for Paratrooper was gone as well. I had to start on level 1 again :p
Dec 29 04:47:16 <BryanRoth> yikes
Dec 29 04:47:56 <Roy-Pre101> This doesn't bode well...
Dec 29 04:48:06 <Roy-Pre101> My update install seems to be hung.
Dec 29 04:48:17 <OrionPK> hang tight
Dec 29 04:48:19 <rwhitby-away> Roy-Pre101: Unpacking takes a long time
Dec 29 04:48:21 <rbredow> How long?  Mine seemed to take more like 30 minutes.
Dec 29 04:49:06 <BryanRoth> after it installed, applications seemed to run slowly until I restarted
Dec 29 04:49:15 <Roy-Pre101> I'll check it again.  I sat and watched the spinner for a while and it didn't advance.
Dec 29 04:49:16 <OrionPK> for a while
Dec 29 04:49:26 <Roy-Pre101> The outside spinner.
Dec 29 04:49:37 <rbredow> I just waited about 30 minutes and performance seemed to improve.  There is some background program running for a while that slows it way down just after the update.
Dec 29 04:49:50 <rbredow> But now, my Pre is back to normal speed, and maybe even a bit faster in places.
Dec 29 04:50:12 <BryanRoth> rbredow: I noticed this as well
Dec 29 04:55:15 <Roy-Pre101> Still seems to be stuck at about 300 degrees around.
Dec 29 04:56:03 <BryanRoth> Roy-Pre101: how long has it taken so far?
Dec 29 04:58:22 <Roy-Pre101> Mm, tough to say.  I went in a while ago and started the update but I didn't check the clock.
Dec 29 04:58:31 <Roy-Pre101> I'd say closing in on 45 minutes.
Dec 29 04:59:23 <BryanRoth> dang
Dec 29 04:59:43 <BryanRoth> did you remove all your patches before the install?
Dec 29 05:00:54 <Bmyers> anyone know how to put a down carrot in a view menu so ppl know that theres stuff there?
Dec 29 05:01:33 <BryanRoth> Bmyers: Doesn't that down arrow show up automatically?
Dec 29 05:01:48 <Bmyers> with a listselector yes.
Dec 29 05:01:58 <Bmyers> but this is a view/cmd menu
Dec 29 05:02:22 <BryanRoth> yeah...
Dec 29 05:02:36 <Roy-Pre101> carrot? You mean the vegetable?
Dec 29 05:02:45 <Bmyers> :p
Dec 29 05:02:53 <Bmyers> whatever you call it
Dec 29 05:03:19 <Roy-Pre101> caret?
Dec 29 05:03:36 <Bmyers> stick, caret,
Dec 29 05:03:45 <Bmyers> one or the other
Dec 29 05:05:53 <Bmyers> any ideas Roy ?
Dec 29 05:06:06 <joshh347> i did the 1.3.5 update and now i can't install anything keep getting install failed errors where it says it needs to do a system restart?? anyone else?
Dec 29 05:08:27 <Roy-Pre101> Bmyers: Not sure what you're trying to do.
Dec 29 05:08:38 <Roy-Pre101> Update still stuck.
Dec 29 05:09:27 <Bmyers> trying to add a little down arrow to the view menu at the top of the screen so ppl know to click on it
Dec 29 05:09:36 <rwhitby-away> rbredow: the slow down after update will be the app migration
Dec 29 05:10:08 <Bmyers> i guess i could add an icon to every menu item
Dec 29 05:12:17 <Roy-Pre101> Looks like I'm not alone with the update problems.
Dec 29 05:13:02 <Roy-Pre101> Bmyers: That might work.  Or you could update the model to add the caret to the current item, I guess.
Dec 29 05:13:39 <Roy-Pre101> I need to decide if I should just let this thing run on power or let it run down the battery...
Dec 29 05:14:48 <Bmyers> there is a stock, menu-arrow.png
Dec 29 05:15:16 <Bmyers> i want to add that to the view menu pill at the top of the screen. there must be a css somewhere
Dec 29 05:17:25 <Bmyers> nope..
Dec 29 05:18:18 <prototypic> can someone do a favor for me?
Dec 29 05:19:17 <prototypic> my emulator will not acess my site located at localhost for some reason and my pre has a cracked screen, I need to take some screenshots to submit my app
Dec 29 05:19:28 <prototypic> but I'm stuck
Dec 29 05:19:36 <lemketron_> it's not "localhost" to the emulator
Dec 29 05:20:07 <lemketron_> hang on ( just a sec )...
Dec 29 05:21:04 <lemketron_> prototypic: your desktop host should be visible at 10.0.2.2
Dec 29 05:21:13 <lemketron_> from inside the emulator
Dec 29 05:21:23 <Roy-Pre101> lemketron_: Any suggestions on the Pre not finishing updating?
Dec 29 05:21:26 <prototypic> it's a machine on my internal network
Dec 29 05:21:33 <Roy-Pre101> Stuck installing update.
Dec 29 05:21:36 <prototypic> not exactly localhost
Dec 29 05:21:51 <lemketron_> you said it was located at "localhost"...  no?
Dec 29 05:22:20 <lemketron_> Roy: not sure. where is it "stuck" ?
Dec 29 05:22:25 <prototypic> i generalized because whenever I talk about the real issue people grow blank
Dec 29 05:22:41 <lemketron_> the emulator should be able to see anything your host can
Dec 29 05:22:55 <Roy-Pre101> "Installing Update"  It's seems to be about 5/6 done.
Dec 29 05:22:57 <prototypic> the domain I normally route through my hosts file (for viewing my site internally on a browser), but virtual box does not have a hosts file I can pipe
Dec 29 05:23:05 <Roy-Pre101> And has been stuck there for 45 minutes.
Dec 29 05:23:28 <lemketron_> can you access it by ip ?
Dec 29 05:23:36 <prototypic> no
Dec 29 05:23:48 <prototypic> I do not know why, I can hit it in a browser all day long
Dec 29 05:24:04 <lemketron_> what url do you use in the desktop browser?
Dec 29 05:24:25 <prototypic> ip, machinename, domain name
Dec 29 05:24:31 <lemketron_> Roy: not sure... do you have dev mode on?  any 3rd-party patches or services?
Dec 29 05:24:34 <prototypic> all work in desktop browser
Dec 29 05:25:58 <lemketron_> strange.  I can (for example) access 192.168.0.1 in my emulator which takes me to my router's admin page.
Dec 29 05:26:24 <Roy-Pre101> lemketron: Dev mode was on.
Dec 29 05:26:27 <Roy-Pre101> Patches were removed.
Dec 29 05:26:32 <Roy-Pre101> Services were not.
Dec 29 05:26:42 <lemketron_> can you novaterm into it now ?
Dec 29 05:27:22 <Roy-Pre101> I suspect rebooting now is not recommended?
Dec 29 05:28:19 <Roy-Pre101> Someone indicated elsewhere that letting the battery run down and then plugging it in fixed it for them....  I guess I could wait for the battery to die.
Dec 29 05:46:22 <prototypic> is there some secret to taking screenshots with the emulator?
Dec 29 05:46:38 <prototypic> whenever it's focused my printscreen key seems not to work
Dec 29 05:46:57 <lemketron_> wow, that depends on so many things.
Dec 29 05:47:06 <lemketron_> you can do a luna-send to tell the OS to take one for you.
Dec 29 05:47:16 <lemketron_> as for host screen shots, it depends on what your host os is
Dec 29 05:47:22 <lemketron_> and what the virtualbox "escape" key is
Dec 29 05:47:31 <sugardav1> prototypic: it's probably the ctrl key that's being blocked
Dec 29 05:47:44 <sugardav1> it shows the unlock key in the bottom right of virtualbox
Dec 29 05:47:49 <sugardav1> right-ctrl in windows
Dec 29 05:47:50 <prototypic> I figured it out, I just focused something else
Dec 29 06:09:44 <jfelectron> triple operators like === and !== enforce type as well as evaluate correct?
Dec 29 06:11:17 <rbredow> Exactly.  I think it's called "equality without type coersion" to be specific.
Dec 29 06:15:01 <jfelectron> thanks...I like the coersion bit :)
Dec 29 06:15:29 <Roy-Pre101> jfelectron: It can cause unexpected problems, though.  But when you need it, it's there.
Dec 29 06:16:17 <jfelectron> unexpected due to unforeseen type casts?
Dec 29 06:17:04 <Roy-Pre101> Yes.
Dec 29 06:17:11 <Roy-Pre101> And some things don't work like you expect.
Dec 29 06:17:24 <Roy-Pre101> I forget the example but...
Dec 29 06:17:44 <Roy-Pre101> It's something like false == undefined is true but undefined == false is not.
Dec 29 06:18:38 <jfelectron> ahh...interesting, guess it depends on how the interpreter treats the primitive types of various objects
Dec 29 06:30:09 <yetdog_pre> cool..just installed wirc on my pre
Dec 29 06:32:05 <Bmyers> well i got forced into updating
Dec 29 06:32:17 <Bmyers> now i cant install an ipkg
Dec 29 06:37:24 <jfelectron> does anyone know if subclassing Palm widget classes is kosher for the app store? As long as I don't have to use the com.palm namespace it should be fine right?
Dec 29 06:39:19 <jfelectron> I need to inherit from the RichText widget and make a widget that is well richer
Dec 29 06:43:59 <Bmyers> trying to install with palm-install gives me "Restart Required" " System adjustments must be made before installation can continue" ? ?
Dec 29 06:48:46 <lemketron_> Bmeyers: I think that's the issue being worked on in webos-internals -- did you have preware installed?
Dec 29 06:54:41 <Bmyers> i did have preware installed
Dec 29 06:54:45 <Nrbelex> Has anyone else found that in 1.3.5, URLs in texts are no longer links?
Dec 29 06:55:09 <Bmyers> the ipkgservice got whacked?
Dec 29 06:56:58 <jfelectron> Bmyers: I got the same thing when trying to install from from app catalog
Dec 29 07:02:01 <rwhitby> Bmyers: we weren't able to test OTA migration, and we missed one scenario.
Dec 29 07:06:08 <jfelectron> Bmyers: is your phone running after that error? Mine froze and now won't restart
Dec 29 07:08:33 <Bmyers> its seem ok otherwise
Dec 29 07:08:34 <jfelectron> hmm....restarted finally
Dec 29 07:09:21 <jfelectron> package installs def fail
Dec 29 07:10:27 <jfelectron> does removing preware and pkg service fix?
Dec 29 07:10:52 <Bmyers> i dunno
Dec 29 07:10:55 <Bmyers> didnt try that
Dec 29 07:11:35 <jfelectron> i don't see any chatter on internals about this
Dec 29 07:11:59 <Bmyers> i think they r aware of it
Dec 29 07:12:21 <jfelectron> yes
Dec 29 07:12:30 * pandora-- dances with 1.3.5
Dec 29 07:13:18 <Bmyers> rwhitby: can we just uninstall preware for the time being to be able to install ipkg?
Dec 29 07:13:29 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, I need to update my preware now.  Gotta go get the latest wosqi
Dec 29 07:13:43 <Roy-Pre101> And my app is no longer searchable in the app catalog
Dec 29 07:13:55 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone else having problems finding apps in the app catalog?
Dec 29 07:14:01 <pandora--> hmm, lemme look for mine
Dec 29 07:14:22 <pandora--> ya found np
Dec 29 07:15:04 <Roy-Pre101> besides the app size fix...  what's everyone's favorite part of the update.
Dec 29 07:15:05 <Roy-Pre101> ?
Dec 29 07:15:18 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: OpenGL drivers
Dec 29 07:16:05 <jfelectron> second on that
Dec 29 07:17:39 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, are the OpenGL drivers available in the SDK?
Dec 29 07:17:42 <Roy-Pre101> I didn't check.
Dec 29 07:17:57 <jfelectron> like through API's?
Dec 29 07:18:01 <jfelectron> no I don't think so
Dec 29 07:19:00 <rwhitby> nope
Dec 29 07:19:24 <jfelectron> is there a 1.3.5 SDK?
Dec 29 07:19:52 <jfelectron> not seeing it on the dev site
Dec 29 07:20:57 <Bmyers> same ole 1314
Dec 29 07:21:05 <jfelectron> indeed
Dec 29 07:22:08 <jfelectron> so I guess we just have to sit tight until internals figures out the wrench in the works
Dec 29 07:24:17 <Bmyers> thats what i'm doing.
Dec 29 07:24:26 <Bmyers> did u try uninstalling preware?
Dec 29 07:25:44 <Nrbelex> Would people with timestamp patches mind checking to see if they have working links in texts?
Dec 29 07:27:35 <jfelectron> Bmyers: yes it didn't seem to resolve the issue
Dec 29 07:28:16 <Bmyers> bummer
Dec 29 07:28:21 <jfelectron> I'd guess there is something about how the HB apps were installed or registered with the system that is proving incompatible
Dec 29 07:30:39 <Bmyers> i think i'll get some z's and wait for a fix..
Dec 29 07:34:20 <rwhitby> it's homebrew packages that don't have appinfo.json files.  we're working on a fix
Dec 29 07:46:20 <Badhairguy> come on CES
Dec 29 07:51:11 <Roy-Pre101> Why would someone leave out an appinfo.json? :P
Dec 29 07:51:24 <Roy-Pre101> More to the point, how can you?
Dec 29 07:51:47 <pandora--> hrm? what about CES?
Dec 29 07:52:02 <pandora--> I'm going to be a booth babe for all 4 days of it
Dec 29 07:52:16 <pandora--> a very over paid, over qualified, under attractive - booth babe.
Dec 29 07:52:30 <pandora--> apparently my company doesn't mind that I stop writing code for 4 days
Dec 29 07:54:53 <Roy-Pre101> So...  Where are the apps stored now?  my /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications directory is empty.
Dec 29 07:55:56 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, there they are in /var/usr/palm...
Dec 29 07:56:12 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: until they get auto-migrated
Dec 29 07:56:29 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: non-app packages can leave out appinfo.json
Dec 29 07:56:37 <Roy-Pre101> How long does that take?  I've been running for about two hours.
Dec 29 07:56:59 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: there is a bug which is stopping the migration - we're working that problem now
Dec 29 07:57:14 <Roy-Pre101> joy
Dec 29 07:58:13 <Roy-Pre101> Shoot, if I had known I would be up this late I would have finished my blog post.
Dec 29 07:58:30 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Is the nature of the bug known?  If so, what causes it?
Dec 29 07:58:43 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: you should hang out in #webos-internals ;-)
Dec 29 07:58:51 <Roy-Pre101> yah yah
Dec 29 07:59:01 <Roy-Pre101> This place gets spammy enough. :)
Dec 29 07:59:30 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: packages with no appinfo.json - e.g. homebrew packages that are not apps.
Dec 29 07:59:48 <Roy-Pre101> Mmm
Dec 29 08:00:10 <rwhitby> the migration code assumes that all ipkgs that are installed are actually webos apps
Dec 29 08:00:37 <Roy-Pre101> like org.webosinternals.*
Dec 29 08:00:58 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: like services, patches, plugins, ...
Dec 29 08:01:22 <rwhitby> filemgr for example of a non org.webosinternals.* package
Dec 29 08:01:23 <Roy-Pre101> joy, I'll go sleep on this one and finish my post in the morning.
Dec 29 08:01:53 <Roy-Pre101> Can you drop me a PM or just tweet about the resolution so I can put it in Pre 101's post about 1.3.5?
Dec 29 08:02:10 <Roy-Pre101> I'd like to help people avoid issues if possible.
Dec 29 08:02:13 <rwhitby> fix is being pushed now
Dec 29 08:02:45 <Roy-Pre101> Going to update all the packages?
Dec 29 08:02:56 <damada> rwhitby: good morning! Sorry to bug you but apparently I am too stupid to attach the pre to the Ubuntu VM... I created a USB filter for the device and checked it but the menu entry is inactive when the VM is running...
Dec 29 08:03:35 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: eventually, but the short term fix is to add dummy appinfo.json files so the migration proceeds
Dec 29 08:04:33 <Roy-Pre101> So my advice in my post to update to latest version of the package manager and update the feeds should fix it?  Or will there be a separate download?
Dec 29 08:05:06 <rwhitby> latest version of package manager service and reboot
Dec 29 08:07:36 <Roy-Pre101> Will add that to the note.
Dec 29 08:08:30 <Roy-Pre101> Is it just me, I can't remove the Package Manager Service with wosqi.
Dec 29 08:08:42 <rwhitby> wosqi 2.96?
Dec 29 08:09:05 <seigex> hi
Dec 29 08:09:47 <Roy-Pre101> twp
Dec 29 08:09:48 <Roy-Pre101> yep
Dec 29 08:10:07 <Roy-Pre101> No packages are showing up as installed with 2.9.6
Dec 29 08:10:19 <seigex> any prerelease developers here?
Dec 29 08:12:46 <seigex> read: developers are are in the palm pre release program
Dec 29 08:27:11 <damada> rwhitby: got it: I need to add my user to the usb group in order to be able to attach a device to the VM. And now guess: I am 100% sure that this will also resolve my connection issue on the Mandriva host. Will try asap and report back!
Dec 29 08:29:45 <damada> ah, no... shouldn't matter since I run novacomd as root...
Dec 29 08:30:47 <damada> rwhitby: well then, I have preware running on the phone, that's all I wanted :) Thanks a lot for convincing me to try the Ubuntu VM!
Dec 29 08:32:49 <rwhitby> damada: np
Dec 29 08:34:19 <rwong> i'm still failing at getting preware on :(
Dec 29 08:34:24 * rwong just got his Pre on Saturday
Dec 29 08:34:55 <rwong> preware installer just crashes, novacmdd uses 100% cpu after start..
Dec 29 08:35:13 <rwong> tempted to try my linux box instead of win7
Dec 29 08:35:41 <damada> rwong: never thought I'd say that: try it in an Ubuntu VM. It's really pretty painless
Dec 29 08:37:24 <damada> rwong: download a preconfigured image for Ubuntu 9.04 here: http://virtualbox.wordpress.com/images/ubuntu/ , add sun-java6-jre, install the palm-novacom deb and run Preware-Installer
Dec 29 08:37:39 <rwong> hmm..
Dec 29 08:38:02 <lemketron_> dang, presteroids rocks (so to speak)!!
Dec 29 08:38:03 <rwong> i am going to sleep and i'll be at a ubuntu 9.10 box tomorrow morning anyways
Dec 29 08:38:15 <rwong> so maybe i'll just do that minus the vm?
Dec 29 08:38:18 <rwong> does it have to be a vm?
Dec 29 08:38:33 <lemketron_> uh, I'd suggest 9.04, not 9.10.
Dec 29 08:38:49 <rwong> oh =\
Dec 29 08:38:55 <lemketron_> palm-novacom won't auto-start on 9.10
Dec 29 08:39:11 <damada> no, but my host is Mandriva 2010.9 and it did not work there while it reportedly worked with 2009.1... so maybe newer distros with newer libusb cause problems
Dec 29 08:39:29 <damada> sorry, menat 2010.0, of course
Dec 29 08:40:02 <lemketron_> eeks, you're talking about ubuntu in a vm on mandriva?
Dec 29 08:40:17 <damada> lemketron_: yes
Dec 29 08:40:21 <lemketron_> we made novacom run on mac, windows, and ubuntu, and still people find a way to have to run it in a vm.  <sigh>
Dec 29 08:40:29 <lemketron_> :-)
Dec 29 08:40:49 <lemketron_> it's best to run native.  I haven't heard of anyone running it on ubuntu inside vbox
Dec 29 08:41:03 <damada> lemketron_: I have been trying for many hours and the connection failed. Installation was painless but I got rx issues
Dec 29 08:41:20 <lemketron_> no mac/win/ubu boxes available?
Dec 29 08:41:22 <damada> lemketron_: I'd be happy to provide information to track down the issue and help find a solution!
Dec 29 08:42:25 <damada> lemketron_: as I said, it is painless to run in from within a VM. As long as novacomd does not get a working connection to the pre on my main OS this will be the only solution for me :/
Dec 29 08:42:49 <lemketron_> ok, give it a shot then.
Dec 29 08:43:14 <lemketron_> I haven't tried usb in vbox.  It usually does work ok for me in an Ubuntu guest on a Mac Pro running VmWare Fusion.
Dec 29 08:44:08 <damada> lemketron_: all I needed to take care of was add my vboxuser to the usb group in order to be able to attach any USB device to the VM
Dec 29 08:46:51 <damada> lemketron_: see here for my novacomd issue on Mandriva 2010.0: http://pastebin.com/m4732c0e5
Dec 29 08:48:13 <lemketron_> damada: can you try the latest novacom deb when the 1.3.5 sdk is posted (hopefully tomorrow) for downloading?
Dec 29 08:48:25 <lemketron_> it might fix this.  or not.  but it might.
Dec 29 08:50:48 <damada> lemketron_: no problem, will try and report back! will the download appear officially on the web?
Dec 29 08:51:16 <lemketron_> should be posted tomorrow at http://developer.palm.com/  I'm told.
Dec 29 08:51:28 <lemketron_> er, "later today" since it's now past midnight.
Dec 29 09:04:17 <damada> where is that Virtual Keyboard application to be found?
Dec 29 09:05:56 <lemketron_> 'night all...
Dec 29 09:06:18 <rwhitby> night lemketron_
Dec 29 11:20:24 <JenP> hi all!
Dec 29 11:30:42 <rwhitby> Hi JenP
Dec 29 11:30:52 <JenP> morning rwhitby
Dec 29 11:50:04 <psi_> hi
Dec 29 11:51:28 <psi_> how do i know whether the pre is online via WLAN or gsm?
Dec 29 11:59:06 <rwhitby> psi_: ask the connection manager service
Dec 29 12:02:36 <psi_> how do i do that?
Dec 29 12:04:20 <rwhitby> psi_: from the command line or from webOS App javascript code?
Dec 29 12:05:12 <psi_> ah ok. no i meant, how do i know it as end user. is there an icon somewhere? i don't have a data flat and am online via WLAN right now. how do i know which link is used?
Dec 29 12:06:07 <rwhitby> there is either a wifi icon, or a 3G icon for me
Dec 29 12:23:11 <JenP> rwhitby do you know where I can find the code for the photopicker?
Dec 29 12:25:11 <rwhitby> JenP: how is it called?
Dec 29 12:25:38 <JenP> if you goto photos on pre...and set walpaper
Dec 29 12:25:57 <JenP> i'd like to look at the code behind this action
Dec 29 12:27:35 <JenP> oh found it in services app
Dec 29 13:11:11 <Bmyers> morn'n
Dec 29 13:17:40 <rwhitby> g'day Bmyers
Dec 29 13:33:58 <renegaid> anyone heard anything about gpu support?
Dec 29 13:36:39 <Bmyers> looks like things are recovering after 135 and preware.
Dec 29 13:38:08 <CTLAdvance> 1.3.5 brings the noise... just in time to get unreal engine 3 going on this baby
Dec 29 13:39:32 <renegaid> what does the gpu support mean for the pre
Dec 29 13:42:00 <renegaid> it look slike that need for speed video was legit
Dec 29 13:42:31 <CTLAdvance> it means we have a path for the gpu and some level of gaming will be obtainable
Dec 29 13:43:08 <CTLAdvance> It also opens the path for openGL and webGL support
Dec 29 13:43:25 <CTLAdvance> and as noted yesterday wecould even see Unreal Engine 3 on here
Dec 29 13:43:57 <CTLAdvance> *note I say could
Dec 29 13:44:21 <CTLAdvance> is lemketron watching?
Dec 29 13:45:05 <Bmyers> gpu support means you'll be able to discharge your battery like never before!!
Dec 29 13:45:54 <CTLAdvance> Bmyers yeah forgot about that one
Dec 29 13:45:59 <CTLAdvance> :)
Dec 29 13:46:08 <CTLAdvance> Better get the 3800mah battery now
Dec 29 13:48:28 <renegaid> not too interested ub games. would it improve the pre performance because it can be laggy at times
Dec 29 13:48:42 <renegaid> in*
Dec 29 13:49:43 <CTLAdvance> that depends on when they move the devices display process to the GPU
Dec 29 13:50:14 <CTLAdvance> basically now everything is handled by the cpu, and the display should route through the GPU to free up the cpu...
Dec 29 13:50:26 <CTLAdvance> er something like thta ;)
Dec 29 13:52:24 <renegaid> when is ces
Dec 29 13:52:49 <renegaid> i guess they plan something big might be announced
Dec 29 14:07:00 <CTLAdvance> If Palm was to announce that unreal engine was ported for the pre... then the game has just changed
Dec 29 14:15:21 <renegaid> is gaming on a phone a big thing?
Dec 29 14:18:09 <Bmyers> really big
Dec 29 14:29:06 <CTLAdvance> huge
Dec 29 14:29:24 <CTLAdvance> its the difference for a dev of a few thousand dollars or a million
Dec 29 14:30:17 <renegaid> how is the pre gpu in comparison to the iphone
Dec 29 14:30:30 <CTLAdvance> its the same exact gpu
Dec 29 14:31:12 <n8o> but can you use it?
Dec 29 14:31:22 <n8o> i thought the pre had no 3d accel available
Dec 29 14:42:05 <atlanta> grrrr PALM took out the size of the apps in the catalog
Dec 29 14:42:07 <atlanta> COME ON
Dec 29 14:42:20 <Suruat> that stinks
Dec 29 14:42:21 <atlanta> goodmorning all
Dec 29 14:42:39 <atlanta> yup yup
Dec 29 14:42:52 <Suruat> but I am soo happy wit them rite now 1.3.5 is great
Dec 29 14:42:55 <atlanta> app catalog looks better though
Dec 29 14:42:59 <atlanta> yes it is
Dec 29 14:43:06 <Suruat> can't wait for ces
Dec 29 14:43:20 <atlanta> oh lala i think im going
Dec 29 14:43:25 <atlanta> i will know 2mro
Dec 29 14:43:48 <Suruat> nice dude
Dec 29 14:43:56 <Suruat> I mo try to go too
Dec 29 14:44:08 <Suruat> las vegas
Dec 29 14:44:18 <atlanta> yup yup
Dec 29 14:44:23 <Suruat> hope I don't have classes that day.
Dec 29 14:44:28 <atlanta> :-)
Dec 29 14:44:32 <atlanta> did u get the invitation
Dec 29 14:44:32 <atlanta> ??
Dec 29 14:44:44 <Suruat> no I did'nt
Dec 29 14:45:06 <Suruat> how can I get it?
Dec 29 14:45:17 <atlanta> not to sure
Dec 29 14:45:25 <atlanta> i dont even know how i got on the list
Dec 29 14:45:36 <atlanta> any palm people here?
Dec 29 14:46:36 <Suruat> you a dev?
Dec 29 14:46:40 <atlanta> yea
Dec 29 14:46:44 <atlanta> maybe thats why
Dec 29 14:46:45 <Suruat> me too
Dec 29 14:46:50 <Suruat> lol
Dec 29 14:46:52 <atlanta> yo no se
Dec 29 14:47:23 <Suruat> when did you get the invite?
Dec 29 14:48:51 <atlanta> 2 weeks ago
Dec 29 14:49:50 <Suruat> gotcha, I became a dev about 2 weeks ago so maybe that's why
Dec 29 14:50:49 <Suruat> webos got me so excited that I taught my self html and css and am still learning java, just to develop for webos
Dec 29 14:51:07 <CTLAdvance> atlanta - we pay our own way correct
Dec 29 14:51:17 <CTLAdvance> I got the invite as well wasnt sure if I am going
Dec 29 14:53:55 <elpollodiablo1> does anyone know how mediadb.bd3 is populated, or where I can find information about this?
Dec 29 14:54:56 <Suruat> I need to get that invite ASAP!   lol
Dec 29 14:58:46 <atlanta> CTLAdvance: yea
Dec 29 14:59:07 <atlanta> CTLAdvance: u own a business?
Dec 29 14:59:32 <atlanta> Suruat: :-)
Dec 29 14:59:38 <atlanta> nice to see more devs coming
Dec 29 14:59:43 <atlanta>  its so easy to dev i love it
Dec 29 15:00:01 <atlanta> find yourself a good graphic designer and ur good to go
Dec 29 15:01:11 <Suruat> ya man, I never thought I could write a program, but now I am on my way.
Dec 29 15:01:36 <Suruat> still have so much to learn but, man I have learn alot.
Dec 29 15:01:38 <CTLAdvance> yes i do
Dec 29 15:02:59 <psi_> damn this usb cover thingy has to be redesigned ASAP
Dec 29 15:05:17 <Rick_work> I just ripped it off and threw it away.
Dec 29 15:07:10 <REA> I just did a partial erase and now WebOS QI doesnt see my Pre connected.  I have rebooted the Pre and reinstalled WebOS QI v2.96. Still not seeing it.  Anyone have any troubleshooting tips?
Dec 29 15:07:45 <elpollodiablo1> some insite about populating mediadb.db3 would be greatly appreciated.
Dec 29 15:09:25 <Suruat> @REA
Dec 29 15:09:44 <Suruat> make sure dev mode is on
Dec 29 15:10:06 <Suruat> or webOS QI will not see pree
Dec 29 15:10:40 <n8o> Suruat: don't learn java, learn javascript
Dec 29 15:10:59 <REA> lol, what a brialliantly simple solution. Did not think of that, thanks Suruat
Dec 29 15:11:00 <n8o> i just want palm to announce more canadian carriers
Dec 29 15:11:23 <n8o> atlanta: i'm a graphic designer :D
Dec 29 15:11:43 <n8o> if anyone wants UI/UX design, let me know. i do it and for pretty reasonable price too
Dec 29 15:11:53 <Suruat> np REA, I did the same thing earlyer
Dec 29 15:12:16 <Suruat> n8o yes   I am learning javascript
Dec 29 15:12:44 <CTLAdvance> finally installing 1.3.5 from 1.2.1
Dec 29 15:12:51 <CTLAdvance> lets see how this goes
Dec 29 15:12:52 <Suruat> java is wayyyyy iva my head lol
Dec 29 15:13:18 <n8o> it's not over your head, it's just a pain in the ass
Dec 29 15:13:42 <n8o> in some ways javascript is more difficult, but the learning curve is pretty linear so it's easy to get into
Dec 29 15:14:04 <CTLAdvance> The best thing about java is how long some of the commands get with all of the different classes and methods appended
Dec 29 15:14:14 <CTLAdvance> Javascript is cake once you understand it
Dec 29 15:14:32 <Bmyers> fruitcake...
Dec 29 15:14:42 <n8o> javascript can have long commands too, such as chaining in jQuery. you just need to break up and indent nicely
Dec 29 15:14:45 <CTLAdvance> depends... does this fruitcake have rum in it
Dec 29 15:15:08 <Suruat> lol
Dec 29 15:15:26 <n8o> CTLAdvance: my guess is many people don't properly understand javascript, either misunderstanding scoping, or using closures without really understanding, etc but the cake part is that most of the time it doesn't matter
Dec 29 15:15:39 <CTLAdvance> I like to soak my fruitcake in rum if it doesnt
Dec 29 15:15:43 <CTLAdvance> Yeah
Dec 29 15:16:27 <CTLAdvance> Javascript needs to be looked at differently then normal coding, even from java so a normal programmer doesnt usually understand, esp if they dont like how it works compared even to java or C/C++
Dec 29 15:16:43 <CTLAdvance> they get frustrated instead of moving forward
Dec 29 15:16:56 <n8o> for sure. lots of talented devs choke on its OO style
Dec 29 15:17:07 <n8o> imho they should grab a library like mootools and move on haha
Dec 29 15:17:17 <CTLAdvance> heh
Dec 29 15:18:16 <CTLAdvance> which reminds me, I have a well aged fruitcake in my fridge, 2007 edition
Dec 29 15:18:24 <CTLAdvance> I will have to hack off a chunk of that
Dec 29 15:19:42 * CTLAdvance laughs at people who dont understand the joy of a well aged fruitcake
Dec 29 15:23:25 <atlanta> n8o: cool cool u got a portfolio
Dec 29 15:23:43 <atlanta> hay anyone tested out the new app catalog
Dec 29 15:23:45 <atlanta> is it me
Dec 29 15:23:51 <atlanta> or it doesnt finish installing
Dec 29 15:23:58 <atlanta> my apps have a blue circle around them
Dec 29 15:24:00 <atlanta> in the menu
Dec 29 15:24:26 <n8o> atlanta: I've got some stuff. I just started up my own company, and it's taking time getting some stuff I did for my previous employer cleared to show in my portfolio
Dec 29 15:24:43 <n8o> being nice and asking for permission (which I don't legally need) is a HUGE pain in the ass
Dec 29 15:24:56 <atlanta> gotcha
Dec 29 15:31:41 <Bmyers> hi atlanta
Dec 29 15:32:32 <LoneStar34> Top of the morning to yous!
Dec 29 15:39:08 <Suruat> any one read "Practical Palm Pre webos Projects"?
Dec 29 15:40:18 <atlanta> Bmyers: wsup
Dec 29 15:40:24 <atlanta> LoneStar34: same to u
Dec 29 15:41:02 <LoneStar34> howdy atlanta
Dec 29 15:41:07 <atlanta> this new app catalog is killing m e
Dec 29 15:41:10 <atlanta> im confused
Dec 29 15:41:32 <LoneStar34> there is a new app catalog?
Dec 29 15:41:41 <atlanta> yea
Dec 29 15:41:43 <atlanta> they updated it
Dec 29 15:41:57 <LoneStar34> do i need a device to access it?
Dec 29 15:42:12 <atlanta> yea i think
Dec 29 15:42:24 <LoneStar34> cuss i got an app published today
Dec 29 15:42:34 <LoneStar34> but only have the emulator
Dec 29 15:43:05 <atlanta> gotcha
Dec 29 15:43:26 <LoneStar34> how do you track how many downloads?
Dec 29 15:43:38 <LoneStar34> via the device?
Dec 29 15:43:55 <atlanta> if u dont have a  device
Dec 29 15:43:55 <atlanta> http://catalog.webosschool.com/
Dec 29 15:43:57 <atlanta> use that
Dec 29 15:44:24 <atlanta> grrrr something is wrong with the html rendering engine
Dec 29 15:45:11 <LoneStar34> ok, thanks
Dec 29 15:45:23 <LoneStar34> is the OS of the device updated to 1.3.5?
Dec 29 15:50:49 <atlanta> yup
Dec 29 15:50:53 <atlanta> just did mine today
Dec 29 15:51:20 <LoneStar34> kewl,  need to get a device soon
Dec 29 15:55:45 <LoneStar34> atlanta: does the following link work on your device: http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=725636
Dec 29 15:56:14 <atlanta> will check in a jify
Dec 29 15:56:50 <LoneStar34> ok thanks
Dec 29 15:57:23 <Roy-Pre101> Sheesh, so much to write about in this update.
Dec 29 15:57:48 <gabrielgilini> I don't know if there's any Slackware users here, but I just re-packaged the SDK and Novacom deb's to tgz
Dec 29 15:58:03 <gabrielgilini> so, if there's anyone interested, give it a shout that I'll host somewhere
Dec 29 16:00:21 <alex__> hi! can I switch on my pre without sim?
Dec 29 16:04:17 <atlanta> yea sure my not
Dec 29 16:10:43 <LoneStar34> are any palm folks online, or did they get an extended vaca?
Dec 29 16:12:31 <MikeG> Anybody hear about when the onscreen keyboard would be available for 1.3.5?
Dec 29 16:13:07 <atlanta> MikeG: finding out for u
Dec 29 16:13:21 <atlanta> MikeG: hopefully tonight
Dec 29 16:13:30 <MikeG> awesome. thanks!
Dec 29 16:13:47 <atlanta> no problem
Dec 29 16:14:13 <LoneStar34> atlanta: you work for palm?
Dec 29 16:14:53 * Shiggity looks at #webos-internals
Dec 29 16:15:00 <Shiggity> I see what you did there atlanta...
Dec 29 16:15:07 <atlanta> Shiggity: what u mean
Dec 29 16:15:22 <atlanta> oh asked eguadent
Dec 29 16:15:28 <Shiggity> To answer MikeG's question.
Dec 29 16:15:58 <atlanta> oh ok lol
Dec 29 16:16:10 <atlanta> yea he's not reading this channel so had to ask
Dec 29 17:08:20 <JenP_working> hi all!
Dec 29 17:08:32 <Bmyers> hi jenp
Dec 29 17:08:43 <JenP_working> hey Bmyers how's it going?
Dec 29 17:08:52 <xorg> does anyone use 'mvapp'?
Dec 29 17:09:29 <sugardave> xorg: I have
Dec 29 17:09:39 <xorg> does anyone have problems with apps working that were linked with mvapp?
Dec 29 17:09:45 <sugardave> xorg: nope
Dec 29 17:09:48 <xorg> after webos 1.3.5 update?
Dec 29 17:10:00 <sugardave> but I don't have a lot of apps that I moved
Dec 29 17:10:07 <sugardave> hang on and I will check
Dec 29 17:10:08 <xorg> sugardave:  are your apps still linked?
Dec 29 17:10:33 <xorg> 'mvapp listmoved' will show you apps moved
Dec 29 17:10:37 <xorg> 'm lm'
Dec 29 17:10:48 <Bmyers> Jenp: Doing ok. just having some app menu "issues"
Dec 29 17:11:01 <sugardave> xorg: got to get connected
Dec 29 17:11:02 <JenP_working> what kind of issues?
Dec 29 17:11:17 <xorg> you can run terminal app sugardave
Dec 29 17:11:57 <xorg> sugardave, did you do anything before the webos update or just left linked apps alone?
Dec 29 17:12:05 <xorg> did you also linke email?
Dec 29 17:12:20 <sugardave> xorg: looks like they still work
Dec 29 17:12:30 <sugardave> xorg: all I did was run EPR before upgrade
Dec 29 17:12:48 <xorg> sugardave: thanks.  all of my links still work too... just wanted to confirm
Dec 29 17:12:59 <xorg> it appears 1.3.5 is fully compatible with mvapp
Dec 29 17:13:06 <sugardave> xorg: email isn't showing in the mvapp list, but I swear I moved it the first time I ran that
Dec 29 17:13:34 <xorg> 'm d' will tell you if email on /var or /media
Dec 29 17:14:07 <sugardave> hmm, maybe I didn't move email...still on /var
Dec 29 17:15:39 <xorg> ok, thanks much for checking
Dec 29 17:15:46 <sugardave> np
Dec 29 17:15:57 <xorg> linked email still works great
Dec 29 17:17:08 <sugardave> now I have to read through and figure out what I need to do to upgrade Preware
Dec 29 17:17:18 <sugardave> since I was impatient :D
Dec 29 17:22:18 <xorg> sugardave, i have a hidden command in mvapp to install preware updates...
Dec 29 17:22:28 <sugardave> xorg: oooo, do tell :D
Dec 29 17:22:31 <xorg> sugardave:  mvapp upw
Dec 29 17:22:57 <sugardave> this will upgrade preware service OTA, or will I need to grab it and put it on the phone first?
Dec 29 17:23:06 <xorg> it will do both
Dec 29 17:23:09 <sugardave> NICE
Dec 29 17:23:18 <sugardave> let's see...
Dec 29 17:23:23 <xorg> service and app
Dec 29 17:23:44 <xorg> if it asks to use test version, say no
Dec 29 17:24:42 <sugardave> xorg: sweet, thanks!
Dec 29 17:25:24 <xorg> np... let me know if it works
Dec 29 17:25:39 <sugardave> looks like install worked just fine
Dec 29 17:26:00 <xorg> did it fully open after refreshing repositories?
Dec 29 17:26:12 <sugardave> ah, I need to reboot the phone
Dec 29 17:26:28 <xorg> hmmm... shouldn't have to reboot
Dec 29 17:26:42 <sugardave> the command said it re-started java and re-scanned luna
Dec 29 17:26:57 <sugardave> but when I went in, the preware icon was missing, launching it said the service wasn't running
Dec 29 17:27:04 <sugardave> just going to bounce it and see what happens
Dec 29 17:27:09 <xorg> go ahead and reboot
Dec 29 17:31:09 <sugardave> xorg: it's still telling me the package manager service is not running...going to give it a few minutes to finish starting up because I think there is more going on now after a fresh reboot with 1.3.5
Dec 29 17:32:36 <xorg> sugardave:  try running 'mvapp upw' again.. if it asks if you want to use 'alpha' releases, say NO.  then tell it to force resinstall, even if a lower version.
Dec 29 17:34:29 <sugardave> yeah, I did that the first time around....one of the packages I was already at the current level...let me run it again and see
Dec 29 17:36:36 <sugardave> xorg: okay, had it install 0.9.25 for ipkgservice and 0.9.12 for preware...no dice still
Dec 29 17:37:06 <sugardave> I'll jack with it later and let you know what I had to do to fix it
Dec 29 17:38:04 <Bmyers> u trying to get preware going again SD:?
Dec 29 17:38:11 <sugardave> yep
Dec 29 17:38:15 <xorg> hmm... you may have deeper issues... try completely removing preware then try the install.
Dec 29 17:38:39 <Bmyers> all i did was the mvapp thing to update the packager and i was up and going
Dec 29 17:38:47 <sugardave> bummer
Dec 29 17:38:51 <Bmyers> does it not make it thru the spinning?
Dec 29 17:39:06 <sugardave> it immediately errors and tells me the package manager service isn't running
Dec 29 17:40:18 <Bmyers> sux 2 b u :)
Dec 29 17:40:40 <sugardave> heh, yeah
Dec 29 17:40:57 <Bmyers> u got mvapp to update the packager tho?
Dec 29 17:42:53 <sugardave> Bmyers: it says it did
Dec 29 17:44:45 <REA> Has anyone had issues with their touchstone discharging the Pre overnight?
Dec 29 17:45:05 <sugardave> no because I STILL DON'T HAVE ONE :(
Dec 29 17:45:52 <rwong> lol
Dec 29 17:45:56 <sugardave> well, I do, but it's sitting in its box and I have to send it back because my brother bought me one for Christmas, but it hasn't arrived yet
Dec 29 17:45:59 <sugardave> grrr
Dec 29 17:51:03 <REA> I bought mine from precentral.net, but it was a gift.  I guess I would have to call palm about a replacement then.
Dec 29 17:51:46 <renegaid> phone died?
Dec 29 17:53:19 <LoneStar34> Howdy everyone! anyone know, where I can buy a pre at a good price without signing up for a plan?
Dec 29 17:54:14 <renegaid> better to get a plan
Dec 29 17:54:25 <renegaid> why would you want a phone without a plan
Dec 29 17:56:17 <LoneStar34> i just need to use the Pre for development via WiFi
Dec 29 17:56:42 <REA> no, my touchstone is discharging my pre over night
Dec 29 17:57:28 <catalystmediastu> LoneStar34: I got mine on ebay for about $350 when they were about 3 weeks old. I bet you could get it cheaper now.
Dec 29 17:57:39 <renegaid> I thought there was a developer phone or is that needed?
Dec 29 17:57:40 <catalystmediastu> It was buy it now so I didn't have to deal with bidding either
Dec 29 17:59:17 <renegaid> anyone saw the video of need for speed on the Pre?
Dec 29 18:00:06 <REA> yea
Dec 29 18:01:21 <LoneStar34> catalystmediastu: thanks, will look for buy it now
Dec 29 18:01:30 <renegaid> can't imagine playing anything like that. should be able to use buttons
Dec 29 18:09:57 <yetdog> renegaid yeah saw that some time back
Dec 29 18:10:08 <yetdog> the app store screenshots lend credence to the rumor that its legit :)
Dec 29 18:10:37 <yetdog> which pumps me up about the platform
Dec 29 18:11:24 <destinal> renegaid: you don't need a developer phone as such, you can run meta-doctor on a standard doctor image to make it like a dev image
Dec 29 18:11:47 <destinal> and install it on any pre / pixi
Dec 29 18:12:29 <destinal> (which is good, since AFAIK there aren't any dev phones being sold yet)
Dec 29 18:13:15 <atlanta> i doctored it :-(
Dec 29 18:18:49 <scasplte2> Does anyone know if the webos doctor for 1.3.5 is available?
Dec 29 18:21:42 <atlanta> scasplte2: negative
Dec 29 18:21:43 <atlanta> its not
Dec 29 18:21:46 <atlanta> 1.3.1
Dec 29 18:21:49 <atlanta> then you have to update
Dec 29 18:21:57 <scasplte2> ok, thanks
Dec 29 18:25:55 <atlanta> np
Dec 29 18:28:23 <Rick_work> I hate baulky computers.
Dec 29 18:28:37 <Rick_work> how is the upgrade experiance going?
Dec 29 18:29:13 <scasplte2> Is there anyway to restore the phone if webos doc won't find it? I'm not sure what happened but I used quick install to remove my theme and patches then restarted and did the update but it failed and now webos doc can't find it and the phone can't star
Dec 29 18:29:35 <Rick_work> scasplte2
Dec 29 18:30:02 <Rick_work> scasplte2  yes, or rather there's a procedure which I have never known to fail.
Dec 29 18:30:14 <scasplte2> rick_work ok
Dec 29 18:30:26 <Rick_work> scasplte2 let's try the short version first.
Dec 29 18:31:11 <Rick_work> naaa  screw that, let's just go to the certain one.
Dec 29 18:31:15 <Rick_work> pull the battery.
Dec 29 18:31:41 <scasplte2> ok
Dec 29 18:31:49 <Rick_work> then,  hold the volume button UP and do not let go of it until I say to.
Dec 29 18:32:58 <Rick_work> plug the usb in.
Dec 29 18:33:10 <Rick_work> put the battery in
Dec 29 18:34:02 <Rick_work> the screen should change to a giant USB symbol.
Dec 29 18:34:09 <scasplte2> yep
Dec 29 18:34:23 <Rick_work> let go of the volume button
Dec 29 18:34:26 <Rick_work> and run the doctor
Dec 29 18:34:49 <scasplte2> alright, its going. Thanks Rick_work
Dec 29 18:34:58 <scasplte2> I'll let you know how it goes.
Dec 29 18:36:34 <Rick_work> scasplte2  what version of the doctor are you installing?
Dec 29 18:36:54 <scasplte2> rick_work 1.3.1
Dec 29 18:37:02 <Rick_work> should be fine then.
Dec 29 18:37:05 <Rick_work> have fun!!!!
Dec 29 18:38:02 <Roy-Pre101> My official 1.3.5 blog post:  http://pre101.com/blog/2009/12/29/webos-1-3-5-released/
Dec 29 18:39:24 <Mousey> wee!
Dec 29 18:45:43 <glorifiedg> hi
Dec 29 18:46:36 <glorifiedg> anyone knows if its possible to activate something so the phone vibrate when you're in a call andsomeone is calling?
Dec 29 18:46:51 <glorifiedg> sorry for my poor english
Dec 29 18:47:12 <Rick_work> Roy-Pre101  good job
Dec 29 18:47:28 <Rick_work> glorifiedg  it is possible
Dec 29 18:47:44 <glorifiedg> can you tell me how?
Dec 29 18:47:44 <Rick_work> but this isn't the best day to ask.  Everyone is responding to the 1.3.5 update.
Dec 29 18:47:53 <glorifiedg> oh
Dec 29 18:47:55 <glorifiedg> lol
Dec 29 18:48:02 <Rick_work> glorifiedg  ask in #webos-internals in a couple of days.
Dec 29 18:48:25 <glorifiedg> I'll post it in preare forum
Dec 29 18:48:33 <glorifiedg> *preware
Dec 29 18:48:39 <glorifiedg> thanks ;)
Dec 29 18:49:19 <incidentist> has anyone else had reports of users getting a new UDID when their phone updates to 1.3.5?
Dec 29 18:49:31 <glorifiedg> leaving now so I don't get frustrated for being in europe and haven't the update yet :p
Dec 29 18:52:28 <scasplte2> rick_work I tried two different versions of webos doc and both fail at 66% when trying to restore the phone. Is there any other way o should I go visit sprint?
Dec 29 18:57:12 <Roy-Pre101> scasplte2: You might wait for webOS doctor 1.3.5 to appear (if it hasn't already)
Dec 29 18:58:18 <scasplte2> Roy-Pre101: I might have to unfortunately
Dec 29 19:02:16 <Roy-Pre101> Keep checking the PreCentral forum for hints, too.
Dec 29 19:10:55 <larryflynt> hello
Dec 29 19:12:47 <REA> I think my wife might be the only person with the default calculator app in their quicklaunch bar.
Dec 29 19:15:47 <mikewx> what is a good algebraic calc for webos anyway?
Dec 29 20:44:02 <Bmyers> was there a place to view the app cat on a desktop brower or no?
Dec 29 21:04:48 <rwhitby> morning
Dec 29 21:05:26 <Roy-Pre101> Morning, Rod.  You get any rest yesterday?
Dec 29 21:06:41 <dawm_> hrm
Dec 29 21:06:53 <dawm_> i see webos 1.3.8 popping up in my app usage, must be a reviewer
Dec 29 21:08:02 <Leke> loving ares
Dec 29 21:08:40 <fiftycal_wrk> is there no way to embed a map in a google maps 'widget' in your app, or are your choices 1] launch the maps app or b] embed a webview with a server side page?
Dec 29 21:09:02 <Flashpass> huh, interesting choice with the non-rounded corners in web view...I kind of miss it haha
Dec 29 21:09:39 <Roy-Pre101> dawm_: nice. :)
Dec 29 21:09:45 <dawm_> yeah
Dec 29 21:09:51 <dawm_> that was a quick jump heh
Dec 29 21:10:01 <dawm_> 1.3.5 came out last night, already got 1.3.8 in use
Dec 29 21:10:25 <Roy-Pre101> You can't expect Palm to just sit around twiddling their thumbs now can you?
Dec 29 21:10:31 <dawm_> hah
Dec 29 21:11:05 <CTLAdvance> for a minute I almost believed you
Dec 29 21:11:41 <dawm_> oh my dear
Dec 29 21:11:51 <dawm_> that device was on at&t
Dec 29 21:12:17 <dawm_> mobile-xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx.mycingular.net
Dec 29 21:13:06 <dawm_> a pixi even
Dec 29 21:13:08 <mikewx> battle royale coming soon
Dec 29 21:13:38 <dawm_> er no, was both a pre and a pixi, on at&t
Dec 29 21:15:58 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: got 7 hours sleep :-)
Dec 29 21:16:09 <rwhitby> 1.3.5 sdk is out
Dec 29 21:16:16 <Roy-Pre101> Ah, good!
Dec 29 21:16:27 <Roy-Pre101> Did I cover the main points about the update in my post, Rod?
Dec 29 21:17:23 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: yep, thanks.
Dec 29 21:18:18 <Leke> so how do we update the sdk?
Dec 29 21:18:43 <Roy-Pre101> Ugh, the Ares video is unwatchable.
Dec 29 21:18:45 <dawm_> download it and install, there used to be a windows upgrade guide but it appears to have been removed
Dec 29 21:18:49 <dawm_> Roy-Pre101, yeah i noticed that
Dec 29 21:19:41 <Leke> any plans for more ares vidz?
Dec 29 21:26:23 <dawm_> so far installing 1.3.5 sdk went smoothly over the top of 1.3.1
Dec 29 21:28:42 <mikewx> is the x64 version new with 1.3.5?
Dec 29 21:28:59 <gkatsev> all versions are new
Dec 29 21:29:26 <mikewx> yes, i know that. what i'm asking is is this the first time the x64 has been released. I don't remember seeing it previously but it had been a while since I looked
Dec 29 21:29:36 <Roy-Pre101> no, x64's been around for a bit.
Dec 29 21:29:39 <Roy-Pre101> AFAK
Dec 29 21:29:40 <Roy-Pre101> AFAIK
Dec 29 21:29:55 <Roy-Pre101> Maybe I'll do an Ares video.
Dec 29 21:30:02 <Roy-Pre101> I plan to do an Ares tour article.
Dec 29 21:30:11 <Roy-Pre101> Unless someone wants to write it for Pre 101. :)
Dec 29 21:30:25 <mikewx> i really need to set aside some time and code something
Dec 29 21:33:24 <dawm_> Roy-Pre101, the tweak to get sound working, works the same on 1.3.5sdk
Dec 29 21:33:33 <dawm_> altho 1.3.5sdk doesnt spit out an error if the tweak isnt done
Dec 29 21:34:06 <dawm_> system sounds in 1.3.5sdk also match the device
Dec 29 21:34:13 <Roy-Pre101> Good, good.
Dec 29 21:34:21 <yetdog> i am so giddy over the openGL stuff :)
Dec 29 21:34:23 <Roy-Pre101> Might test to see if MP3's work now.
Dec 29 21:34:34 <mikemcelligott> hi guys, really happy about fastAccelerometer.. is that the only option available?  Any plans to expose the range?  I'm guessing it's hard-coded to 1G, but I haven't seen any documentation to that effect..
Dec 29 21:34:42 <yetdog> looks more and more like CES is gonna be the big GPU announce
Dec 29 21:35:11 <natenrb91> what is fastAccelerometer?
Dec 29 21:35:15 <Roy-Pre101> yetdog: You may be right.  They've certainly shown the cards on everything else.
Dec 29 21:35:27 <Roy-Pre101> natenrb91: Increases accelerometer from 4 hz to 30 hz
Dec 29 21:35:35 <natenrb91> patch?
Dec 29 21:35:40 <Roy-Pre101> no
Dec 29 21:35:42 <mikemcelligott> pretty sweet, no?  And there I thought nobody was paying attention.
Dec 29 21:35:43 <mikemcelligott> 1.3.5
Dec 29 21:35:51 <mikemcelligott> I was almost giddy when I read it.
Dec 29 21:35:54 <mikemcelligott> Okay,I was giddy.
Dec 29 21:36:09 <Roy-Pre101> mikemcelligott: You sounds like a cheap date! :)
Dec 29 21:36:19 <Bmyers> about the Accelerometer?
Dec 29 21:36:21 <mikemcelligott> My killer app uses it.
Dec 29 21:36:32 <natenrb91> mikemacelligott: how do you turn it on?
Dec 29 21:36:41 <Roy-Pre101> Read the notes!
Dec 29 21:36:49 <Roy-Pre101> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1588
Dec 29 21:36:52 <mikemcelligott> Not sure.. options to the StageAssistant or something
Dec 29 21:37:23 <mikemcelligott> Roy, do you have any idea if the ability to choose the range of the accelerometer is exposed / going to be?  That is, choosing between 1G and 8G?
Dec 29 21:37:41 <mikemcelligott> Or, for that matter, what it's set to now?
Dec 29 21:38:03 <yetdog> oh sweet, the accelerometer polls faster than 4hz now?
Dec 29 21:38:16 <dawm_> hrm
Dec 29 21:38:17 <mikemcelligott> two levels, I think
Dec 29 21:38:18 <mikemcelligott> 4 and 30
Dec 29 21:38:21 <Bmyers> logging on the device..
Dec 29 21:38:39 <dawm_> looks like i can continue on my 'predyno' app now
Dec 29 21:38:59 <yetdog> well thats a big improvement
Dec 29 21:39:01 <yetdog> whats the iphones rate?
Dec 29 21:39:08 <mikemcelligott> 400?
Dec 29 21:39:15 <mikemcelligott> maybe 100
Dec 29 21:39:20 <yetdog> my orientation rotation responds faster on the pre than my iphone ever did tho
Dec 29 21:39:23 <mikemcelligott> faster, anyway
Dec 29 21:39:25 <yetdog> that was always sluggish on the iphone
Dec 29 21:39:38 <dawm_> i wonder if the supportscene issue was fixed
Dec 29 21:39:44 <yetdog> well, its exponential anyway, the higher it goes
Dec 29 21:39:50 <yetdog> the difference between 4-30 is SO much bigger than 30-100
Dec 29 21:39:59 <mikemcelligott> settable on iphone, up to 400
Dec 29 21:40:53 <mikemcelligott> 30 is a huge increase - very happy about it
Dec 29 21:41:06 <mikemcelligott> I guess nobody knows about the scale of the accelerometer data then
Dec 29 21:42:21 <natenrb91> has anyone noted any change to how audio is handled that actually made it worse...?
Dec 29 21:42:48 <natenrb91> my apps uses a bunch of different sounds effects and they aren't working correctly (were before the update...)
Dec 29 21:44:11 <mikemcelligott> alright, thanks guys, I guess I'll just have to play with it.. pretty sure the scale must be either 1G or 2G
Dec 29 21:45:47 <dawm_> nope, they still dont encode the app name in the pushSupportInfoScene()
Dec 29 21:46:01 <natenrb91> anyone on sound...?
Dec 29 21:46:11 <dawm_> sounds work for me, but i use systemsounds
Dec 29 21:49:41 <natenrb91> anyone know a link to good documentation on setting up admob
Dec 29 21:49:48 <natenrb91> the one admob give sucks
Dec 29 21:49:51 <natenrb91> gives
Dec 29 22:03:34 <bryanroth> has anyone seen Chuq around here lately?
Dec 29 22:03:41 <CTLAdvance> nope
Dec 29 22:03:45 <bryanroth> I think he's hiding :P
Dec 29 22:19:27 <natenrb91> has anyone here successfully used the admob code from here: http://code.google.com/p/admob-webos/wiki/IntegrationDocumentation?
Dec 29 22:23:06 <CTLAdvance> Yes and no
Dec 29 22:23:17 <Bmyers> naten: its not working?
Dec 29 22:23:29 <CTLAdvance> You need to do something different than what it says
Dec 29 22:23:34 <natenrb91> I can't get the stupid thing to work...
Dec 29 22:23:48 <natenrb91> ctladvance: what's that?
Dec 29 22:23:50 <CTLAdvance> you have to use $() instead of the this.controller.get in the setup function
Dec 29 22:24:12 <CTLAdvance> replace
Dec 29 22:24:13 <CTLAdvance> this.controller.get('admob_ad').insert(ad);
Dec 29 22:24:47 <Bmyers> $() isnt good 4 multistage apps?
Dec 29 22:25:24 <CTLAdvance> actually try adding a dive named admob_ad to your scene
Dec 29 22:25:31 <CTLAdvance> doesnt matter BMyers
Dec 29 22:25:35 <dawm_> whats the new konami code? webos09062009?
Dec 29 22:25:42 <CTLAdvance> As you have to call this on every scene
Dec 29 22:25:53 <CTLAdvance> Konami code still works for me
Dec 29 22:25:58 <Flashpass> webos20090606?
Dec 29 22:26:03 <dawm_> thats it, the year is first
Dec 29 22:26:10 <CTLAdvance> What for?
Dec 29 22:26:16 <rwhitby> correct international date format
Dec 29 22:26:18 <dawm_> its just shorter
Dec 29 22:26:22 <Flashpass> haha
Dec 29 22:26:25 <CTLAdvance> ah
Dec 29 22:26:38 <CTLAdvance> rwhitby where are you located?
Dec 29 22:26:48 <rwhitby> Adelaide, Australia.
Dec 29 22:26:56 <CTLAdvance> Nice
Dec 29 22:28:01 <CTLAdvance> Anyone have good tutorial on webkit transitions?
Dec 29 22:28:57 <Roy-Pre101> Check out the one on Pre101
Dec 29 22:29:03 <Roy-Pre101> And there's some stuff on webos101.com, too
Dec 29 22:29:18 <Roy-Pre101> There are links to other sites on webos101.com
Dec 29 22:29:42 <CTLAdvance> Thanks, ill go take a look
Dec 29 22:29:53 <CTLAdvance> its about time these two sites make my favorites list
Dec 29 22:41:38 <webOSroundup> hey dBsooner, I just saw that you are the guy responsible for the no login patch when connected to exchange
Dec 29 22:41:48 <webOSroundup> that definitely puts you on my favorite developer list :)
Dec 29 23:00:18 <jfelectron> what is a 'blur' event?
Dec 29 23:01:49 <haeffb> happens real fast?
Dec 29 23:04:25 <CTLAdvance> webOSroundup whatsthat patch called
Dec 29 23:05:00 <haeffb> blur event means input focus was lost (likely from a textfield)
Dec 29 23:05:08 <webOSroundup> ummm
Dec 29 23:05:10 <webOSroundup> one sec
Dec 29 23:05:12 <haeffb> or so says "google"
Dec 29 23:05:52 <CTLAdvance> blur means focus was lost
Dec 29 23:05:58 <CTLAdvance> as in another object got focus
Dec 29 23:06:23 <CTLAdvance> so if I have two text boxes and one is selected, when the second is selected the first is blurred and the second is focused
Dec 29 23:06:47 <webOSroundup> bypasspinlock
Dec 29 23:06:50 <jfelectron> haeffb: OK thanks!
Dec 29 23:07:07 <jfelectron> CTLA: thanks, that's useful
Dec 29 23:07:31 <CTLAdvance> Thanks wosr
Dec 29 23:08:04 <destinal> webOSroundup: heh, raeb found the method for it, and I posted it into the wiki, and db made the patch package.  teamwork ftw
Dec 29 23:08:29 <webOSroundup> ah...well then you are all my favorites!
Dec 29 23:08:42 <webOSroundup> that was the worst thing about my pre
Dec 29 23:09:06 <destinal> webOSroundup: yeah, it's way way more agressive with the pin lock thing than other mobile devices
Dec 29 23:09:15 * haeffb wonders why it's called 'blur' and not 'lostfocus'
Dec 29 23:09:44 <jacques> hackers like puns.
Dec 29 23:10:09 <webOSroundup> yeah...navigation was a pain
Dec 29 23:10:18 <webOSroundup> hard to login from the road
Dec 29 23:10:46 <CTLAdvance> QQ - to use a transition dynamically via js can you just use something like $('object').class = "something.activated";
Dec 29 23:10:56 <jfelectron> anyone here using emu on OSX?
Dec 29 23:11:33 <natenrb91> jfelectron: yeah
Dec 29 23:11:52 <jfelectron> Have u figured out how to send the F keys to the 1.3.5 emu?
Dec 29 23:11:53 * haeffb resists providing answers to questions for which I do not know the answers...but it was close.
Dec 29 23:12:09 <jfelectron> natenrb91: for rotation events
Dec 29 23:12:14 <natenrb91> jfelectron: haven't tried yet
Dec 29 23:12:35 <jfelectron> lol...there is an Fn key :)
Dec 29 23:12:41 <jfelectron> never saw that before
Dec 29 23:12:50 <CTLAdvance> Anyone here using css and or webkit transitions
Dec 29 23:13:35 <haeffb> are there any updates required to Eclipse tools for 1.3.5 SDK?
Dec 29 23:14:08 <jfelectron> CTLA: use the initTransitionEvent DOM method
Dec 29 23:14:44 <jfelectron> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-transitions/
Dec 29 23:17:16 <CTLAdvance> do you have an example of this
Dec 29 23:17:33 <CTLAdvance> I have been using canvas for a while now, so trying something new
Dec 29 23:19:42 <jfelectron> Actually better to use  element.style.WebkitTransform='myTransform'
Dec 29 23:20:31 <jfelectron> where myTansform is like  "rotate(60deg)"
Dec 29 23:21:43 <jfelectron> The apple docs are pretty good: http://developer.apple.com/safari/library/documentation/InternetWeb/Conceptual/SafariVisualEffectsProgGuide/InteractiveVisualEffects/InteractiveVisualEffects.html
Dec 29 23:21:53 <jfelectron> They did invent the thing after all !
Dec 29 23:22:09 <CTLAdvance> Thanks ill take a look into this
Dec 29 23:51:18 <dawm_> hrm.. another reviewer on 1.3.8 w/ a cingular host
Dec 29 23:52:48 <Flashpass> Hrm, is there supposed to be a link to Contacts both in the app launcher and the launcher bar?
Dec 29 23:53:23 <dawm_> no
Dec 29 23:53:30 <dawm_> apps can only be in one place
Dec 29 23:53:34 <dawm_> rather only 1 icon
Dec 29 23:53:40 <dawm_> either its in the bar or a page
Dec 29 23:54:34 <haeffb> dawm_: did you say earlier, both a pre and a pixi on AT*T?
Dec 29 23:54:43 <fbnts> Hi, just a quick question, I have got an SSH connect to my Palm Pre however its not set up the default paths to /sbin etc
Dec 29 23:54:49 <dawm_> looks that way haeffb
Dec 29 23:54:53 <fbnts> is there a quick way to sort it out?
Dec 29 23:55:03 <haeffb> nothing from Verizon yet... :)
Dec 29 23:55:10 <dawm_> ive had 1.3.8 pre and pixi devices show up in my app log
Dec 29 23:55:20 <dawm_> not that i have seen
Dec 29 23:55:31 <haeffb> is your new version published yet?
Dec 29 23:55:46 <jfelectron> Flashpass: There is a HB app quickcuts I think  that allows aliases
Dec 29 23:55:55 <dawm_> the drag one? no, its being reviewd but i requested a reject cause there was a bug i forgot to fix heh
Dec 29 23:56:56 <AtomicPlayboy> That was a long nap.
Dec 29 23:57:22 <jfelectron> AtomicP: dare I say an atomic one....
Dec 29 23:57:34 <dawm_> yeah haeffb just the few at&t hits and rest are sprint or personal wifi
Dec 29 23:57:53 <CTLAdvance> does webos let you embed css in the scene html file
Dec 29 23:58:05 <CTLAdvance> <style></style>
Dec 29 23:58:09 <dawm_> yeh
Dec 29 23:58:20 <dawm_> why wouldnt it
Dec 29 23:58:55 <lemketron_> so Presteroids looks to be a pretty cool app... though the name might appear (to some) as "pre steroids"...
Dec 29 23:58:57 <CTLAdvance> just wondering, trying to get transitions figured out here... making sure I am not doing something stupid
Dec 29 23:59:13 <dawm_> webkit transistions?
Dec 29 23:59:16 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I thought it was a roid app ;)
Dec 29 23:59:20 <CTLAdvance> yep webkit
Dec 29 23:59:37 <dawm_> i had them working once before, but the last time i tried to get them to work i was unsuccessful
Dec 30 00:00:13 <dawm_> i wish i could get it working again, i could save some animation code
Dec 30 00:00:46 <jfelectron> CTLA: I don't see why not....the stylesheet inclusion dumps it into the top
Dec 30 00:01:04 <jfelectron> CTLA: But why direct inclusion rather than in the stylesheet?
Dec 30 00:01:28 <CTLAdvance> Just until I get these down pat.. then I will move to a style sheet.
Dec 30 00:01:45 * rwhitby shamelessly plugs that he is appearing on the PalmCast Live in one hour's time at http://www.precentral.net/palmcast-live (I'll be audio only)
Dec 30 00:01:52 <jfelectron> Is there a way to figure out what list items are within the viewable portion of the screen?
Dec 30 00:02:58 <Flashpass> dawm_: So any idea why i would see both icons...?
Dec 30 00:03:58 <haeffb> Flashpass: two versions of the app?
Dec 30 00:04:30 <monkeyxplosion> Can anyone answer a noob question for me regarding WebOS Quick Install?
Dec 30 00:04:34 <psi_> hi
Dec 30 00:04:54 <psi_> is there an offline navigation software for the pre?
Dec 30 00:05:21 <jfelectron> monkeyexplosion: yes, but please move discussion to webos-internals
Dec 30 00:05:32 <monkeyxplosion> yes sir, thanks
Dec 30 00:06:06 <monkeyxplosion> and psi: i don't know of any, but i recall reading something earlier today about setting it up yourself in sprint navigation
Dec 30 00:07:39 <CTLAdvance> This is interesting
Dec 30 00:07:45 <CTLAdvance> its not taking my style tage
Dec 30 00:07:47 <CTLAdvance> tags
Dec 30 00:07:56 <CTLAdvance> I just put it in a stylesheet and it worked
Dec 30 00:08:01 <CTLAdvance> interesting
Dec 30 00:11:53 <psi_> monkeyxplosion: too bad i'm not on sprint
Dec 30 00:12:17 <monkeyxplosion> ooh
Dec 30 00:12:32 <monkeyxplosion> sorry then...  i was trying to find the link
Dec 30 00:12:43 <psi_> thanks
Dec 30 00:13:10 <Flashpass> Okay, the contacts issue went away with a restart - odd
Dec 30 00:23:50 <Suruat> Greetings!
Dec 30 00:27:56 <haeffb> and Salutations!
Dec 30 00:31:00 <AtomicPlayboy> Also hi.
Dec 30 00:36:16 <Bmyers> haeffe!!
Dec 30 00:36:44 <haeffb> Bmyers!!
Dec 30 00:36:59 <Bmyers> hows it going?
Dec 30 00:37:16 <Bmyers> did u get your tshirt yet?
Dec 30 00:37:24 <Bmyers> "I survived 135"
Dec 30 00:38:30 <haeffb> so far so good
Dec 30 00:39:11 <Bmyers> good. some hickups here at first but ok today.
Dec 30 00:39:22 <haeffb> no issues that I've encountered yet, knock on wood.
Dec 30 00:40:04 <haeffb> have DL'd 1.3.5 SDK, but not installed yet
Dec 30 00:40:20 <Bmyers> oh yeah, some goodies there too
Dec 30 00:40:27 <Bmyers> which reminds me
Dec 30 00:40:58 <Bmyers> rotate works in the emu
Dec 30 01:13:10 <lemketron_> Bmeyers: it sure does.  shake events too!
Dec 30 01:14:40 <Bmyers> way to go man!!
Dec 30 01:14:45 <Bmyers> thanks!
Dec 30 01:18:13 <kesne> Hey all
Dec 30 01:26:54 <ivanst> man... no 1.3.5 for europe yet...
Dec 30 01:29:31 <natenrb91> has anyone got the admob webos sdk code to work? - http://code.google.com/p/admob-webos/wiki/IntegrationDocumentation
Dec 30 01:29:40 <natenrb91> some help would be greatly appreciated!
Dec 30 01:42:29 <JenP> hi all!
Dec 30 01:53:09 <haeffb> hey jenp
Dec 30 02:15:06 <jfelectron> Check out the experimental widgets in the refcode javascripts folder...looks like some goodies on the horizon
Dec 30 02:16:39 <jfelectron> btw...trolling through the refcode is good for inspiration and for figuring out why a widget behaves oddly
Dec 30 02:17:57 <Deihmos> widgets?
Dec 30 02:18:41 <Deihmos> the pre support widgets
Dec 30 02:18:43 <Deihmos> ?
Dec 30 02:19:21 <jfelectron> widgets....lists, drawers....all the dynamic UI elements are 'widgets'
Dec 30 02:19:33 <jfelectron> not like Android widgets
Dec 30 02:20:57 <CTLAdvance> anyone having issues with command menu's?
Dec 30 02:21:42 <Etrigan> i'm having issues coming up with what to make
Dec 30 02:23:22 <jfelectron> CTLA: Re earlier discussion, have you looked at Mojo.Animation.animateStyle()?
Dec 30 02:23:36 <jfelectron> its a wrapper for CSS tranistions
Dec 30 02:24:56 <rick_home> jfelectron  it is?  I don't think so.
Dec 30 02:25:20 <rick_home> it's a link to the central 30 cps mojo animation timer, which you can use to modifiy any numeric style
Dec 30 02:25:35 <rick_home> like height width top left etc.
Dec 30 02:25:48 <rick_home> css animations are an entirely different thing.
Dec 30 02:28:05 <CTLAdvance> jf hmm not yet
Dec 30 02:28:24 <CTLAdvance> Just getting familiar with these webkit commands and a few other tags I havent used before
Dec 30 02:29:04 <jfelectron> rick: I think there are a number of methods, some like you say, but I think animateStyle will accept some CSS transitions
Dec 30 02:31:19 <jfelectron> The styleSetter function could be a call to webkitTransform
Dec 30 02:32:55 <n8o> i thought webkit in webOS didn't support webkitTransform
Dec 30 02:34:58 <jfelectron> http://pre101.com/blog/2009/11/10/a-guide-to-css-transitions-in-webos/
Dec 30 02:36:16 <jfelectron> http://webos101.com/-webkit-transition-property
Dec 30 02:56:34 <n8o> he left before I could tell him transforms and transitions are different things
Dec 30 02:57:40 <Roy-Pre101> ping
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