**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 30 02:59:57 2009 Dec 30 03:00:25 pong Dec 30 03:00:45 ding! Dec 30 03:01:07 dong Dec 30 03:02:03 Anyone run into Classic Apps issues with 135 upgrade? Dec 30 03:05:15 has anyone else had any trouble with getting novacomd to connect to the new sdk? Dec 30 03:16:14 no & no Dec 30 03:52:53 Hi I just got a pre, and I'm new to webos development Dec 30 03:53:55 I just saw the nacmaps app on the app catalog. I'm curious about whether there are standard APIs available to add functionality to the google maps app Dec 30 03:54:19 also, I'm wondering if there are standard APIs available to add new chat clients to the messaging app Dec 30 04:02:32 what's up with the wifi on 1.3.5, it's being very wonky Dec 30 04:04:24 I haven't had any problems with mine Dec 30 04:22:41 anyone here used a custom spinner? (Second question: In a list?) Dec 30 04:41:35 Good evening. I come here to ask... Is anyone else having issues with Preware with the new system update to 1.3.5? Dec 30 04:42:52 The main issue... Preware no longer works Dec 30 04:42:58 i just build a com.app.palm.news ipkg myself. works fine inside the emulator, but i can't get it running on my reallife palm. has someone tried that before? Dec 30 04:43:10 yoshiness: update to package manager service 0.9.27 Dec 30 04:45:06 muesli: what problems are you seeing? Dec 30 04:46:43 i couldn't get to see it in the menu and when trying to launch it from within preware it just flickered and nothing happened Dec 30 04:46:49 fixed itself after a reboot Dec 30 04:47:26 great little app actually. curious why palm decided to keep it out of the base firmware so far Dec 30 04:50:54 yoshiness: delete preware than reinstall with quick install Dec 30 04:51:31 install package manager service 1st, than preware Dec 30 04:52:20 what I did was delete package manager service and preware then rebooted, then reinstalled them both package manager first then preware, fixed the hang problem Dec 30 04:54:01 I just ran the Preware installer again, and it's working fine again Dec 30 04:54:13 But I'm at like 0.9.12 Dec 30 04:54:45 yoshiness: update to package manager service 0.9.27 Dec 30 04:54:53 preware is 0.9.12 Dec 30 04:55:05 And how do I do that exactly? Dec 30 04:55:25 is preware running now? Dec 30 04:55:28 Yes Dec 30 04:55:40 check the version of Package Manager Service in Installed Packages Dec 30 05:01:09 There's nothing except a theme in Installed Packages. Dec 30 05:01:26 And Package updates is grayed out. Dec 30 05:04:01 yoshiness: did you update the feeds? Dec 30 05:07:03 I really have no idea, but I think through Preware, I'm updating the Package Manager Service Dec 30 05:09:30 are there any touchstone patches? I've tried using nodoze to keep the screen active, but it does not sem to work Dec 30 05:45:48 got an issue with a patch that won't install. Dec 30 05:46:32 anyone know how to get the usb passthrough code? Dec 30 05:47:10 Joely: the what? Dec 30 05:47:33 dial ##usbpass# in 1.3.5 Dec 30 05:48:36 what is usb passthrough? Dec 30 05:49:06 allows you to run some root commands and run certain features Dec 30 05:49:27 it past versions you could type mpt d from root terminal Dec 30 05:49:35 now it's locked Dec 30 05:49:44 and i need to know where to get the passcode Dec 30 05:50:00 it's the Enable Landscape Email patch: IPKG error: "Hunk #1 failed at 55." Any ideas on how to fix this? Dec 30 05:51:03 it simply says "obtain the code from your palm rep" i talked to them they had no idea what i was talking about Dec 30 05:54:12 here is the screen i get from ##usbpass# http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2793/4224511692_4e1b51d516.jpg Dec 30 05:57:20 anybody with contentEditable/webkit-user-modify experience on board? Dec 30 06:06:18 haeffb: expanding all drawers in a list creates scrolling misery :/ Dec 30 06:06:28 Joely: it calls a ValidateCode binary routine in /usr/bin/logctld Dec 30 06:06:57 Joely: so it's a new authentication mechanism from Palm to stop people using usbpassthrough I guess Dec 30 06:07:09 ouch Dec 30 06:07:16 what Dec 30 06:07:18 does it do Dec 30 06:07:20 the code is some cryptographic permutation of your device serial number it seems Dec 30 06:07:29 i wonder who i could contact to get the code Dec 30 06:07:41 y you need it Dec 30 06:07:45 i tried my MSL that wasn't it Dec 30 06:07:52 it's not MSL Dec 30 06:08:15 the input is 10 charc long Dec 30 06:08:52 paypal me 50$ and ill give to you Dec 30 06:09:13 nice try Dec 30 06:14:13 DSF09SKL32 Dec 30 06:16:00 nope Dec 30 06:16:51 if you need it for a legitimate purpose, contact palm support I guess Dec 30 06:16:54 if not, then you're probably out of luck Dec 30 06:18:07 It's also possible to run the passthrough initiating program from the device itself but I don't remember what it's called (and that's probably a discussion better for webos-internals) Dec 30 06:19:50 Big V is likely applying more pressure than Sprint has to prevent unwanted tethering Dec 30 06:20:41 it appears it's 10 numbers Dec 30 06:21:02 i talked to palm support the guy didn't have any docs on it Dec 30 06:21:10 he checked for like 20 minutes Dec 30 06:21:33 javascript code says 5 characters Dec 30 06:21:45 hmm Dec 30 06:22:29 i'm guessing it's numbers because thats what the keypad is set to when you get to the screen Dec 30 06:22:41 and it cuts off after 10 char Dec 30 06:26:21 maybe they gave the codes to sprint? I don't know I mentioned it was a dev menu to the rep at palm and it seemed to go over his head Dec 30 06:31:47 if i go back to 1.3.1 is there a way to shut off auto update? Dec 30 06:32:26 sure, plenty of threads on that at PreCentral Dec 30 06:35:18 hey Dec 30 06:48:16 I don't understand the list scroller. As elements are added...the height remains fixed but the coordinates get shifted. The height remains 452, but there are element coordinates with a y-coord like -9800?? Dec 30 06:48:50 the coordinates should be relative to the top of the scroller no? Dec 30 07:06:20 rwhitby: what time is it down under? Dec 30 07:07:39 LoneStar34_wifi_: between 4pm and 7pm depending where you are. Dec 30 07:07:50 here it's 5:37pm Dec 30 07:08:19 cool Dec 30 07:08:49 it is 1.08 here in texas Dec 30 07:10:52 what about a vm that would work on all mobile systems? Dec 30 07:11:13 there's companies that do that Dec 30 07:12:31 how can one build a program that runs on all without a VM? Dec 30 07:14:23 what do they all have in common except windows? Dec 30 07:15:35 iPhone runs on a BSD and most others run on Linux Dec 30 07:16:08 there are more similarities than differences with BSD and Linux Dec 30 07:19:50 rwhitby: you still there? Dec 30 07:20:24 yes Dec 30 07:21:07 cool Dec 30 07:21:59 Well the VM is never completely portable....that said all phones could support a Java VM like Android, Palm didn't go that route though Dec 30 07:22:15 and neither did Apple....each for their own reasons Dec 30 07:23:16 Apple wanted a semi-unified API framework across Macs and the iPhone/Touch....Palm is really baking on pushing web standards to the limit and beyond Dec 30 07:23:38 a browser is sort of a VM in itself Dec 30 07:26:18 jfelectron: look at the trends of software vs. web services, the iPhone is embedded and the possibilities of WebOS are as far as web services go Dec 30 07:26:53 I don't follow...are you arguing the latter is more extensible? Dec 30 07:27:59 not sure, the pints are good! Dec 30 07:28:25 At the end, everything will be Web based Dec 30 07:28:46 Certainly, google is pushing web services as the future of mainstream consumer computing Dec 30 07:29:39 And Palm has some bona-fide web evangelists on board.... Dec 30 07:30:13 google is getting to big Dec 30 07:30:49 it will get as large as the market allows. They will face competitors in the future just as Microsoft has Dec 30 07:31:06 innovation favors the small guy, its hard to stay on top Dec 30 07:31:13 yeah, it is just sand Dec 30 07:31:17 sad Dec 30 07:32:50 its not sad for the consumer...we get choice and innovation at the peril of companies in competition Dec 30 07:33:43 not really, no company other than MSFT can compete with a $600 stock Dec 30 07:34:03 that is the truth Dec 30 07:34:18 they don't need to....Google started in a dorm room...as did Facebook,, Ebay.... Dec 30 07:34:58 that's the beauty of web services....bits are 'free' Dec 30 07:35:26 I love web services Dec 30 07:36:41 do you want to test an app? Dec 30 07:37:14 sure...I'm testing mine at the moment Dec 30 07:38:08 do you have a pre or pixi phone? Dec 30 07:38:20 pre Dec 30 07:38:42 ok Dec 30 07:38:50 getting it ready Dec 30 07:38:56 my experience is that the emulator is not really a great indicator of speed and responsiveness Dec 30 07:39:13 cool Dec 30 07:39:30 funny you should mention that... https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=4108&p=15229#p15229 Dec 30 07:40:24 lemketron: I think it has improved with 1.3.5....the emu seems more realistic, still faster though Dec 30 07:41:18 not sure, i tested the beta of 1.3.5 and it was all fucked up Dec 30 07:41:20 Well, I didn't do anything specific to "improve" it in 1.3.5, but there are some changes that might've made it a little more "realistic". Of course, it really depends on the host on which you are running it. Dec 30 07:42:38 kudos for the orientation events and overall fewer crashes when using the command-line debugger and inspector! Dec 30 07:43:12 the debugger is painful enough :/ Dec 30 07:43:34 very glad to have it though Dec 30 07:45:06 thanks! :-) Dec 30 07:45:13 try the debugger in Ares, btw. Dec 30 07:45:43 http://admin.home.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/ Dec 30 07:46:09 You know, can programmers not examine the code for the webOS camera in order to have a preview window for Precorder? Dec 30 07:46:37 Obviously, Palm figured out how to do it with just HTML and javascript Dec 30 07:46:50 lemketron: I played with it a little. I was having trouble with breakpoints, so I gave up. Dec 30 07:46:58 with the beta sdk ? Dec 30 07:47:04 jfelectron: the link is above Dec 30 07:48:04 anybody want to test a universal app? Dec 30 07:48:06 1.3.1 SDK and the open Ares beta Dec 30 07:48:30 LS34: says password protected? Dec 30 07:48:47 iNOY Dec 30 07:49:17 the file you want is : com.buildasearch.search.app_1.0.0_all.ipk Dec 30 07:49:30 yoshiness: that's not entirely true....the framebuffer isn't JS and HTML Dec 30 07:50:36 jfelectron: Ah. In any case, the current Ares was tested extensively with the release 1.3.5 SDK so debugging with the release 1.3.5 SDK should be much much better. Give it another shot, and if you still have problems, tell us about it on the forum at developer.palm.com Dec 30 07:50:52 lemektron: OK will do Dec 30 07:51:24 Is there a way to edit existing scene views in Ares or do they have to be created de novo? Dec 30 07:52:02 jfelectron: did you download it? Dec 30 07:52:10 the visual editor in ares can only edit ares-created scenes, but you can certainly import projects with existing scenes and edit them in the text editor, or at least build and debug the app package... Dec 30 07:52:51 ahh OK, that was my impression Dec 30 07:53:03 LS34: its asking me for a passoword Dec 30 07:53:26 iNOY Dec 30 07:53:52 OK, got it Dec 30 07:54:05 com.buildasearch.search.app_1.0.0_all.ip Dec 30 07:55:12 yep Dec 30 07:55:52 got radio links at the end of the scroll Dec 30 07:56:00 do they work? Dec 30 07:57:44 I'm not seeing the radio links....just a Show More button Dec 30 07:58:13 I'd increase the padding inside the scroller a bit, looks a little cramped Dec 30 07:58:25 particularly on the left Dec 30 07:58:33 yeah, need feedback Dec 30 07:58:59 try to the right Dec 30 07:59:02 might be cool to make the background image customizable Dec 30 07:59:10 at the end Dec 30 07:59:21 right? Dec 30 07:59:40 yo where can i find code examples Dec 30 07:59:43 jfelectron: do you see a bolt? Dec 30 07:59:48 im trying to write my first app Dec 30 07:59:57 nope...just the Show More button Dec 30 08:00:06 entity: the SDK has example apps Dec 30 08:00:32 are you searching for something? Dec 30 08:00:32 For apps that have open-source licenses on PreCentral you can download the ipk and unpack it to look at the code Dec 30 08:00:49 LS34: yeah, I'm looking at search results Dec 30 08:00:52 PalmSDK/Current/share/samplecode Dec 30 08:01:34 there are a few open-source projects on github too (spaz, foursquare, preCaching to name a few) Dec 30 08:01:59 import one into ares and have a look around. maybe add a feature or help fix a bug. :-) Dec 30 08:02:30 (where "one" is "one of the open-source projects"; not implying there are bugs or missing features in the samples...) ;-) Dec 30 08:02:46 lol Dec 30 08:03:03 try missing docs Dec 30 08:03:17 no search results, is an actual search system built into the app Dec 30 08:04:07 LS34: when I starter the app I see the text entry box and row of SE engines and a search button Dec 30 08:04:40 I enter text and search and then I just get a list of results with a button at the end to load more results Dec 30 08:05:18 jfelectron: i have had some pints so brb gonna smoke a cig Dec 30 08:05:37 k Dec 30 08:06:12 i dont understand this shit at all Dec 30 08:07:07 Understand what? Dec 30 08:07:12 if I may ask... Dec 30 08:08:00 entity: check out: http://www.webos101.com/Main_Page Dec 30 08:08:42 and: www.weboshelp.net Dec 30 08:12:15 jfelectron: my concept is everything at the fingertips Dec 30 08:12:25 entity-: and http://developer.palm.com/ Dec 30 08:13:53 Had to get a concept approved, once it is, then it is time to make it brilliant Dec 30 08:16:55 yes, that's a good strategy Dec 30 08:18:07 have learned how to make data sources look the same Dec 30 08:19:32 OK...I'm not seeing the features you're talking about Dec 30 08:20:11 what am I supposed to do with it? It just looks like a search portal to me Dec 30 08:26:40 jfelectron: it is a portal of info Dec 30 08:27:16 pleas explain Dec 30 08:29:30 what does this get you that searching Yahoo or Google directly doesn't? Dec 30 08:30:39 nothing, but building it better Dec 30 08:31:56 go to google and yahoo and go to bing and then twitter and then after that go to radio Dec 30 08:32:56 all it is a buildasearch solution to make it easier Dec 30 08:34:51 so your idea to pull together results from all those sources into a unified stream? Dec 30 08:35:49 well it is all together already, just needs to be made better Dec 30 08:36:30 I have the formula to bind things together! Dec 30 08:38:12 i want people to go from here and there, at the end it is all in a package Dec 30 08:38:15 That's not entirely clear....you have the buttons for the different SE, it seems like you are searching that particular SE Dec 30 08:40:41 yes, everyone should have a difference of opinion Dec 30 08:41:53 huh? But you said you're pulling information in from multiple searches...I'm confused Dec 30 08:44:08 very smiple, every source is different but the same Dec 30 08:44:12 I know I'm pressing my luck here, but how do I turn off the shutter noise on the camera? Dec 30 08:45:28 yoshiness: there's a patch for that Dec 30 08:45:48 Maybe I wanna take a pic in class? lol Dec 30 08:46:45 LS34: isn't that some kind of buddhist maxim.... everything is the same but different...I have no idea what you are talking about man Dec 30 08:47:13 I mean I understand if you want to protect your IP, but I have no idea what you are doing here Dec 30 08:49:46 there is nothing to understand other than it all the same Dec 30 08:50:22 It really is Dec 30 08:54:33 what's all the same? No matter if you hit Yahoo or Google, you get the same results? If so, why the buttons? Dec 30 08:56:08 Why the buttons? Because it is the beginning of a concept Dec 30 08:56:43 people want choices Dec 30 08:57:13 Ahh...OK. What's the 'build' aspect? Dec 30 08:58:19 jfelectron: it was a prototype, so the next one will be different Dec 30 08:59:05 roger Dec 30 08:59:28 people will be able to make there own search, just like making a doll Dec 30 09:02:16 like I want to search Google, Twitter and Flickr or something like that? Dec 30 09:03:15 yeah Dec 30 09:04:19 Ok, cool Dec 30 09:04:59 jfelectron: this my last attempt at anything, so for fucks sakes It must be good, Dec 30 09:05:15 that's pretty dire man Dec 30 09:05:44 the mobile app space is tough Dec 30 09:06:42 it really is so time to shine Dec 30 09:08:06 dude the fish on urloid.com are *awesome* Dec 30 09:08:44 Just think of the no of hours we put into these things vs. the likely number of apps sold....ahhhhhh Dec 30 09:12:18 jfelectron: it is a risk Dec 30 09:12:55 well.....I only do this in my 'free' time Dec 30 09:13:21 morning Dec 30 09:13:54 guten morgen swisstomcat Dec 30 09:14:52 what's up? Dec 30 09:15:14 jfelectron; fuck it! if it works it will work! Dec 30 09:16:14 lol...yeah, but whether people use it or not...proof is in the pudding as they say Dec 30 09:16:34 it is what it is Dec 30 09:16:55 swiss: it is ready! Dec 30 09:18:20 swisstomcat: it is ready to be tested Dec 30 09:21:05 fucken apple was on the way out, they got a 60million investment from Microsoft Dec 30 09:21:49 using a macbook right now :/.....60 million from Microsoft? When? Dec 30 09:25:53 http://uoid.me/wired1 Dec 30 09:28:03 lonestar: allright, i can test it Dec 30 09:28:48 http://admin.home.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/ Dec 30 09:29:07 Well....lets not forget that Apple was one of the initial customers of MS and MS was hugely in debt to Apple Dec 30 09:29:26 pass: iNOY Dec 30 09:30:10 com.buildasearch...? Dec 30 09:30:15 yeah Dec 30 09:32:54 aol was the shit, so lets see what happens with palm Dec 30 09:33:41 they can survive on mindshare only so long Dec 30 09:33:54 i honestly think palm will be brilliant Dec 30 09:34:39 rwhitby: he really knows Dec 30 09:35:39 hi rwhitby Dec 30 09:35:46 swisstomcat: did you test it? Dec 30 09:36:02 lonestar: in a minute Dec 30 09:37:11 ok Dec 30 09:37:24 what's the new path to applications? Dec 30 09:38:35 jfelectron: /media/cryptofs/apps/... Dec 30 09:38:53 OK, thanks Dec 30 09:42:35 rwhitby: do yous all really drink Fosters? Dec 30 09:46:27 LoneStar34: fosters is the beer that Australians export to get rid of it Dec 30 09:49:10 rwhitby: so the oil cans are shite? Dec 30 09:53:23 hey, which webos quick install works with the new update.. Dec 30 09:53:59 extremely frustrated, it's about to make me switch oses and phones Dec 30 09:54:09 2.96 as i heard/read Dec 30 09:56:18 2.95 or later, 2.96 recommended Dec 30 09:58:02 thank u Dec 30 09:59:45 I am the poorest programmer that ever lived, Never did I work for a company, it was all build from love. Now thinking what if some great wines can be made in a part of Texas. Dec 30 10:04:56 Never am I sad, but what does it all mean? If we all Program, will all be able to make something brilliant? Dec 30 10:13:27 swisstomcat: you still awake? Dec 30 10:13:41 yeah Dec 30 10:14:19 cool Dec 30 10:14:33 you french? Dec 30 10:16:14 swiss Dec 30 10:16:34 it's 11:16 here .. mid day Dec 30 10:16:59 swiss german or swiss french? Dec 30 10:19:22 swiss german Dec 30 10:19:39 chuchichäschtli Dec 30 10:19:43 :) Dec 30 10:23:25 what is a famous song that is not heard in the US? Dec 30 10:31:01 is there a 1.3.5 version of web doctor. just installed OTA update and got palm.com/rom message- only see 1.3.1 web doctor Dec 30 11:35:49 Guest16607: there is no 1.3.5 doctor yet Dec 30 12:40:12 morning yall Dec 30 12:54:43 morning Dec 30 12:59:24 morning Dec 30 12:59:26 how are u Dec 30 13:12:56 gonna try to port http://www.benjoffe.com/code/demos/canvascape/textures to a webos app Dec 30 13:15:31 is webos fast enough for that? Dec 30 13:16:16 it runs it in the broswer Dec 30 13:16:16 that's an impressively small script Dec 30 13:16:20 frame rate sucks but Dec 30 13:16:25 it works Dec 30 13:17:16 how do people make apps in canvas Dec 30 13:17:53 javascript Dec 30 13:19:13 i know that but from scratch Dec 30 13:19:13 ? Dec 30 13:19:20 thats alot of mah Dec 30 13:26:54 atlanta: sure is Dec 30 13:30:57 <_ivanst_> it's not that much work if you understand math as such, and understand the principles behind simple ray-casting 3d engines Dec 30 13:36:52 gotcha Dec 30 13:40:28 cool hopefully this comes out right Dec 30 13:40:44 local version on my pc works right Dec 30 13:40:50 so lets see how the pre does with it Dec 30 13:43:11 2219 downloads for my application but only 3 votes and they are all 1 star :( Dec 30 13:44:49 ouch Dec 30 13:45:06 _ivanst_: imma try to makae that image update using an imageview widget Dec 30 13:45:11 maybe that will fix the problem Dec 30 13:45:31 OH MY GOD PALM FIXED THE AUDIO CUT OFF ISSUE Dec 30 13:45:37 my app now works correctly Dec 30 13:45:51 <_ivanst_> atlanta: still didn't manage to chase out the slow typing? Dec 30 13:46:00 _ivanst_: not yet Dec 30 13:46:06 gonna use an imageview Dec 30 13:46:10 and see if it likes that Dec 30 13:46:13 <_ivanst_> hell and damnation :-( Dec 30 13:46:21 <_ivanst_> well, let me know what happens. i'm interested! Dec 30 13:46:27 ok Dec 30 13:46:36 i finally got a review complaining about it Dec 30 13:46:45 GRRRR Dec 30 13:46:51 swisstomcat: what is ur app Dec 30 13:46:52 ? Dec 30 13:47:03 maybe i can insist on some upgrading Dec 30 13:47:15 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/moo Dec 30 13:49:19 uhmmmmm Dec 30 13:49:30 not to sure how to make an animal sound app better Dec 30 13:49:40 maybe they gave it a 1 for useful ness? Dec 30 13:49:56 heh Dec 30 13:50:18 well, it's an app for kids Dec 30 13:51:46 i'll try to make my next app more useful Dec 30 13:52:08 ok gotcha Dec 30 13:52:09 then Dec 30 13:52:14 make it looks prettier Dec 30 13:52:19 not to sure how put Dec 30 13:52:25 maybe a background Dec 30 13:52:37 and place the images in a layout on the backgroun Dec 30 13:52:38 colorful and such Dec 30 13:52:44 yea Dec 30 13:52:58 kids like to see that type of stuff Dec 30 13:53:02 true Dec 30 13:53:16 round edges and flashy colors Dec 30 13:53:20 yup yup Dec 30 13:53:40 and add the sound for taps also Dec 30 13:53:54 they can relate to touching more Dec 30 13:53:59 just some tips :-) Dec 30 13:54:12 from my somewhat creative mind Dec 30 13:54:16 thanks for your feedback Dec 30 13:54:20 no problemo Dec 30 13:54:43 im trying to help people with this whole app thing im tired of seeing apps with the boring default palm style Dec 30 13:55:01 my app is redesign even the input boxes are custom Dec 30 13:55:01 brb Dec 30 13:55:04 break time Dec 30 13:58:43 the default palm style is there for a reason Dec 30 13:58:58 but it makes sense for a kids app to have something different Dec 30 14:24:13 swisstomcat: yea its there if u want your app to get 1 star ratings :-) Dec 30 14:24:14 lol Dec 30 14:24:36 people want quality Dec 30 14:24:42 and the default falls shy of that Dec 30 14:47:34 morn'n atlanta Dec 30 14:47:41 Bmyers: morning Dec 30 14:47:51 hows fla today? Dec 30 15:27:25 hi Dec 30 15:27:41 where can i find the latest preware installer package? Dec 30 15:29:12 there is only an old version available (0.9.5) on http://get.preware.org/ Dec 30 15:32:11 use webos quick install Dec 30 15:34:52 lostabit the latest version is on the feed, we're not currently updating get.preware.org, we need to put up a page that explains where to go Dec 30 15:34:59 please use webos-quick install Dec 30 15:40:44 does quick install install a newer version? Dec 30 15:43:21 yes it installs the latest version Dec 30 15:43:40 if you use the webos-internals feed Dec 30 15:48:35 okay, thanks Dec 30 15:51:54 Bmyers: its fine cold... just got out of a meeting Dec 30 15:52:15 Rick_work: maybe if we can make the app grab the lastest Dec 30 15:52:19 Rick_work: can be something to work on Dec 30 15:52:40 /j #webos-internals Dec 30 15:53:01 atlanta the get-preware sources are in the git repository if you want to work on them. Dec 30 15:53:46 ok cool maybe i can make it grab the lastest one that will solve that Dec 30 15:54:01 because get.preware is easier than wqi to me Dec 30 15:54:07 so ill look at that tonight Dec 30 15:56:56 Rick_work: which repo is it in ? Dec 30 15:57:18 looks like the exe one was written in .net so ill probably work on that Dec 30 15:58:18 Has anyone gotten the error "122 : There is an incomplete application with the same name, please complete it or cancel the incomplete submission." when trying to update their app via the dev portal? Dec 30 15:59:09 yea Dec 30 15:59:12 change the verison number Dec 30 15:59:22 atlanta: I did... Dec 30 15:59:33 change it again. Dec 30 15:59:33 did u finish the old application? Dec 30 15:59:44 click the update button Dec 30 16:00:19 atlanta: yes, it's published but I'm going in to update the package. Dec 30 16:00:28 Rick_work: ? Dec 30 16:00:49 change the version again Dec 30 16:02:02 does anyone know where I can get info on the addressingwidget? Dec 30 16:02:15 atlanta: I did. Current version is 1.0.0 and I'm trying to upload v1.0.5 but I'm getting that error. Dec 30 16:02:45 Chriswebos: what addressing widget Dec 30 16:02:45 ? Dec 30 16:02:47 Chriswebos what are you asking please???? Dec 30 16:03:35 i'm sorry...i've been looking at some of the core apps...the email application uses an addressingwidget, which allows one to bring up the emails from contacts Dec 30 16:03:53 oh use the contacts api Dec 30 16:04:09 if you go to email, click compose new email, you'll see a 'to' button on the lhs, and a contact widget on the right Dec 30 16:04:24 Chriswebos: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1701 Dec 30 16:04:26 I looked at that, and it seemed like it was restricted... Dec 30 16:05:11 yeah, it seemed like i could only bring up contacts that my app added...am i reading it wrong? Dec 30 16:05:29 i wanna bring up the core contacts Dec 30 16:05:33 ehhh hold on let me check an app i seen someone use the info to grab company names Dec 30 16:05:33 hold on Dec 30 16:05:45 cool... Dec 30 16:06:02 wow Dec 30 16:06:14 somebody at palm must have done something because they just fixed my problem Dec 30 16:06:16 o_O Dec 30 16:06:37 i want to create a checkbox list with everyone's email addresses...so a person can select multiple emails instead of just one like in the email app Dec 30 16:07:33 Chriswebos oh. You are aware of the restrictions about doing that? Dec 30 16:08:20 are you referring to only being able to bring up your own contacts? or is there something else I don't know about? Dec 30 16:08:38 hi Dec 30 16:08:51 bryanroth: which problem Dec 30 16:08:57 com.palm.downloadmanager is not running. Does anybody know how to handle this? Dec 30 16:09:03 Chriswebos: you wont be able to do that Dec 30 16:09:09 atlanta: that error I was talking about when I was trying to update my app via the dev portal Dec 30 16:09:16 bryanroth: oh ok Dec 30 16:09:28 DyMac: do a partial erase on your device that fixed the issue for me Dec 30 16:09:37 atlanta: is it because of policy, or functionality? Dec 30 16:09:46 DyMac: only after a restart doesnt work Dec 30 16:09:48 policy Dec 30 16:09:53 atlanta: emulator Dec 30 16:09:54 Chriswebos that's the issue yes, unless you are writing homebrew, and put your app into the com.palm.app.xxx namespace you will not be able to access the address list OR send emails. Dec 30 16:10:09 Chriswebos: well both Dec 30 16:10:22 the contacts servies api doesnt allow multi select so that part of the problem Dec 30 16:10:38 *sigh* Dec 30 16:10:41 if you want to write app-catalog space stuff, then you can not do either thing. Each individual person has to be added to your contact, and each individual email to each individual addressee has to be approved by a human. Dec 30 16:10:49 is there downloadmanager on emulator? Dec 30 16:10:56 UNLESS you write a homebrew client in com.palm.app.xxx Dec 30 16:11:18 DyMac: i dont believe so Dec 30 16:11:24 in which case, if _I_ were doing that, I would simply modify the existing email program to add that functionality and name it "group email" or something. Dec 30 16:11:33 as homebrew Dec 30 16:11:50 Rick_work: i seen a guy grab the contact's company name with the .palm namespace was wierd Dec 30 16:11:52 checking it no Dec 30 16:12:06 atlanta: thanks Dec 30 16:12:12 DyMac: no problem Dec 30 16:12:22 Rick_work, atlanta: thanks Dec 30 16:12:33 Chriswebos: no problem im looking into it now Dec 30 16:12:36 dont go anywhere Dec 30 16:12:51 ok, staying put Dec 30 16:13:08 Why not have an app that a user can define groups, separate the emails by ; and then send that to the email program Dec 30 16:13:33 You could store the groups in a cookie or in the json db Dec 30 16:13:33 CTLAdvance good idea Dec 30 16:13:41 suggest it to the directory of security at Palm. Dec 30 16:13:42 CTLAdvance: im working on that Dec 30 16:13:45 called groupie Dec 30 16:13:45 I know... I am working on that Dec 30 16:13:51 u 2 Dec 30 16:13:53 lol Dec 30 16:13:57 well, i wouldn't want the user to have to type in the emails when they are sitting there in their contact list Dec 30 16:14:00 on t o the next eone Dec 30 16:14:13 Yeah it is part of another app we have been working on for a while now but havent finished yet Dec 30 16:14:19 need to focus on one at a time... Dec 30 16:14:50 I get these crazy ideas at 2 or 3 in the morning and just start coding... ugh Dec 30 16:15:08 OK but you can access the contact list Dec 30 16:15:12 i guess i could manage, for now, with them selecting one at a time, if i could bring them from either contacts or the addressingwidget Dec 30 16:15:17 focus on one thing at at time??? Go wash your mouth out. Why do I have three monitors on my desk? Dec 30 16:15:43 ctladvance: you can? that's what we were talking about... Dec 30 16:15:46 Chriswebos you use the people picker to add them to your app's contact list, then you can make your groups up Dec 30 16:15:47 how? Dec 30 16:15:48 Oh I dont have three monitors, I have 4 computers with its own monitor... Dec 30 16:15:59 4 monitors./... Dec 30 16:16:01 three monitors, two computers. Dec 30 16:16:10 Excellent Dec 30 16:16:28 i (don't tell anyone) saw this in the quickcontacts app...i didn't know where they found that out at... Dec 30 16:16:45 but buying another next week. Need a mac to compile phone-gap apps. But I'll kvm it onto the big monitor Dec 30 16:17:03 so, my choices are peoplepicker and addressingwidget...couldn't find docs on either Dec 30 16:17:09 Yeah kvm switches are nice Dec 30 16:17:58 Mine are all PC's running 7 now... and one server 2008 Dec 30 16:18:29 CTLAdvance: 7 is nice :-) Dec 30 16:18:32 I thought about getting a mac but no real use for it at the moment, if they were a bit cheaper I would bite Dec 30 16:19:15 I wouldn't get one except you have to have one to download the i-hone sdk, and we're starting to do phonegap development. Dec 30 16:19:21 7 is unstopable, and so was vista if you knew what you were doing with it and shut off the stupid user access control that pops upo and goes allow or deny allow or deny allow or deny... like wtf? I am the fing admin Dec 30 16:19:24 grrr Dec 30 16:19:25 :) Dec 30 16:20:01 Chriswebos: yea they use people picker Dec 30 16:20:12 thats how they retrieve information Dec 30 16:20:21 where are the docs on the peoplepicker? Dec 30 16:20:22 just wont be able to multi select Dec 30 16:20:32 that's fine for now, i guess Dec 30 16:21:45 aarghh...did a search on palm's site, and found code for it...no docs on the addressingwidget though. Dec 30 16:21:51 it's specific to emails Dec 30 16:22:09 is there any easy way to take a screenshot in the emulator? Dec 30 16:22:09 Yeah Chris some items you need to go with the flow Dec 30 16:22:29 and trial and error Dec 30 16:22:34 as time goes on you will get it Dec 30 16:22:35 bryanroth, use your desktop screenshot app Dec 30 16:22:48 also look at the api docs for people picker and the design docs Dec 30 16:22:59 both are on the left hand side of developer.palm.com Dec 30 16:23:08 all of this is under pickers for widgets Dec 30 16:23:11 Rick_work: that's what I figured Dec 30 16:23:23 brian: click the emulator window...ctrl-alt-printscrn copies just the selected window Dec 30 16:23:32 sorry, bryan: Dec 30 16:23:38 TechSmith SnagIT is the best I have found Dec 30 16:23:47 bbl Dec 30 16:24:05 Chriswebos: cool, thanks Dec 30 16:24:34 no prob Dec 30 16:25:01 ctl: thanks Dec 30 16:27:21 Chriswebos: got the link? Dec 30 16:27:57 atlanta: yes, thanks...I'm looking at it now...i'd prefer to use the addressing widget, but for now will go with the peoplepicker Dec 30 16:29:07 Chriswebos: hmmm, ctrl+alt+prt scr doesn't seem to capture the emulator window Dec 30 16:29:21 bryan: hang on a sec... Dec 30 16:30:55 worked for me Dec 30 16:31:04 maybe its because i have zsceen open Dec 30 16:31:06 bryanroth click outside the emulator before doing the screenshot Dec 30 16:31:37 Rick_work: I know, just didn't want to cut/crop the image... Dec 30 16:32:09 bryanroth -- oh. Do you have a "screenshot the client area of the active window only" utitlity? There's one built into irfanview. Dec 30 16:32:49 right-ctrl to break the keyboard out of the emulator and then press ctrl-f11 after starting the screenshot thing in irfanview. Dec 30 16:33:28 yeah, you have to hit the rt-ctrl so the emulator doesn't capture the ctrl press Dec 30 16:33:50 actually, i just hit rt-ctrl, the just alt-printscrn to capture Dec 30 16:34:36 Chriswebos: nice, now if I could just capture the emulator area only Dec 30 16:35:27 bryan: prolly not worth the effort of figuring out...just crop out the header window area and go on to next problem Dec 30 16:37:05 this is my first time using IRC, but won't be my last...u guys have been most helpful Dec 30 16:37:41 now if i can just find a way to grab all emails (perhaps in future updates) at one time...for now the person will have to add each one by one Dec 30 16:40:11 oh lala people picker isnt to bad Dec 30 16:40:21 all they need to add is multi select Dec 30 16:51:58 bueno dias amigos! Dec 30 16:52:50 wow my x.x.1 submission has been "being reviewed" for 9 days now lol Dec 30 16:52:56 that's pretty thorough! Dec 30 16:53:24 how long does it usually take to even hear back from palm after you submitted an app? Dec 30 16:53:40 i didn't hear anything from them yet Dec 30 16:54:35 hallo swisstomcat: had to sleep my cocktails away! Dec 30 16:54:53 rehi Dec 30 16:54:59 swisstomcat: do you have a rep? Dec 30 16:55:05 nah Dec 30 16:55:12 do i need one? Dec 30 16:55:28 yetdog: dang, I just submitted my update Dec 30 16:55:52 yeah you get one at one point, barely got one last week after a month. Dec 30 16:56:03 did you zip your application? Dec 30 16:56:19 don't think so Dec 30 16:57:28 i think i attached the ipk Dec 30 17:01:11 what kinda app is it? Dec 30 17:01:12 i expected at least an e-mail back "we got your app and are reviewing it" Dec 30 17:01:13 ok, cuss I had zipped my app like 3 different times, and chuiq told me that , the palm system strips Zips from emails, Dec 30 17:01:36 suruat: just a little entertainment app Dec 30 17:01:38 so they never got my app, until I sent a IPK Dec 30 17:01:50 good thing i sent the ipk then Dec 30 17:01:57 instead of zipped IPK Dec 30 17:02:15 swisstomcat: they do not acknowledge receipt of your submittal Dec 30 17:02:32 so i just have to wait then Dec 30 17:03:13 you could email chuq and ask for confirm that is in the queue Dec 30 17:03:52 yeah swisstomcat: that is a good idea contact chuq, or wait till he gets online here Dec 30 17:04:13 yeah, good idea Dec 30 17:05:52 how long ago did you submit your app? Dec 30 17:06:37 couple of days Dec 30 17:06:45 but of course now it's holiday time Dec 30 17:10:22 LoneStar34: in ipk's, the data's already compressed with gzip, shouldn't need zipped again Dec 30 17:12:15 destinal: opps did not know, but learned the hard way Dec 30 17:12:39 LoneStar34: I think palm has a fairly agressive email filtering system Dec 30 17:12:47 I noticed they had trouble sending me files before Dec 30 17:15:10 can the source code of an IPK be seen? Dec 30 17:15:48 you can look inside the ipk Dec 30 17:16:14 it's two main tar files Dec 30 17:16:21 control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz Dec 30 17:17:09 inside data.tar.gz you'll find /usr/palm/applications/your app/appinfo.json and the rest Dec 30 17:18:49 oh ok Dec 30 17:20:38 glad i reversed encrypted my app with mD5 and NSA 256 byte keys Dec 30 17:23:05 LoneStar34: lol Dec 30 17:24:18 yeah, atleast it sound kinda cool Dec 30 17:24:54 did a simple whitespace compression from http://www.creativyst.com/Prod/3/ Dec 30 17:35:06 well, I was just mean in public. http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/221188-looking-developer-work.html Dec 30 17:51:24 the js obfuscator - worth using? Dec 30 17:51:36 "palm-install -d tcp whatever.IPK" is that the rigth syntax? Dec 30 17:51:46 i believe so LoneStar34 Dec 30 17:52:37 hmmm. getting an error: - ok I am an idiot, need to turn on the emulator Dec 30 17:53:40 lol Dec 30 17:55:37 yetdog be aware that every js obfuscator has a web-based un-obfuscator available. Dec 30 17:56:01 Rick_work: well written Dec 30 17:56:15 lol that is true Dec 30 17:56:18 thats what i thought rick - not much of a point then Dec 30 17:56:18 the only benefit is to shrink your code so that it runs faster. And to the extent we can tell, there's very little benefit in webOS, since v8 is a VERY efficient compiler Dec 30 17:56:19 no need in them man Dec 30 17:56:50 is the 1.3.5 SDK out of beta? Dec 30 18:01:18 yes Dec 30 18:01:46 is it working properly? cuss the Beta was abit raw Dec 30 18:03:47 anyone know what type of field the email address/password fields are when u add a new email account on the pre? Dec 30 18:03:52 they fill up the entire rows Dec 30 18:04:05 right now i have a textarea in a row and its obviously not filling it to th eborders Dec 30 18:15:15 are palmcasts recorded? Dec 30 18:16:19 I mean palmcast lives Dec 30 18:16:49 nm i got it :) Dec 30 18:20:54 yes palm cast will be available shortly. Dec 30 18:23:35 yay! Dec 30 18:27:33 which palm castr Dec 30 18:27:34 ? Dec 30 18:28:02 oh lala last day to RSVP for CES Dec 30 18:28:02 :-) Dec 30 18:29:28 anyone know how Twee did the bottom menu Dec 30 18:29:29 >? Dec 30 18:33:17 dang I want to rsvp, but for some reason never got the invite. Dec 30 18:34:03 atlanta: probably a css with multiple images and each image has its own tap events Dec 30 18:37:30 Surat which invite? THe developer's thing at CES? Dec 30 18:42:08 yes rick Dec 30 18:42:42 hmmm Dec 30 18:43:02 you could try just sending an email to PalmCES2010@palm.com and see what happens. :-) Dec 30 18:43:32 will do, thx rock! Dec 30 18:43:47 Rick_work: u going Dec 30 18:43:47 ? Dec 30 18:43:59 rick * Dec 30 18:44:09 yep,, I/m going Dec 30 18:44:57 any idea how far ces is from the closest airport? Dec 30 18:45:57 Suruat CES takes up "most" of Las Vegas. Dec 30 18:46:19 when is CES? Dec 30 18:46:26 it's in what? the las-vegas convention center and perhaps six hotels? Palm's primary "booth" is at the Venition. Dec 30 18:46:27 1/7? Dec 30 18:46:29 too far to walk with luggage, but otherwise pretty close :-) Dec 30 18:46:50 The reception is at the LVCC in Palm's "product lounge" Dec 30 18:47:02 Palm has things at 3 different venues. Dec 30 18:47:14 nice. Dec 30 18:47:33 but CES is bigger than Comdex was. It's all of the LVCC and splattered out in a bunch of hotel convention centers. Dec 30 18:47:49 You can NOT do CES in one day. Dec 30 18:48:07 I just wanna be there when they gave there main confrence, and announce whatever they have in store, for 2010 Dec 30 18:49:34 like the Pre 2 lol Dec 30 18:49:59 or the Pphone lol Dec 30 18:50:02 the DEVELOPER invite was for 6 PM, the ANNOUCNEMENT invite was for 11 AM and the deadline for RSVP was 23 dec. Dec 30 18:50:27 noooooooooooooooooooooo Dec 30 18:50:56 yes Dec 30 18:51:06 it's also in a different place. Dec 30 18:51:41 the Developer thing is in the LVCC, the announcement thing is in the Venetian hotel San Polo Ballroom. Dec 30 18:52:39 The developer announcement required that you have an app in the app catalog prior to 1 Dec 09 Dec 30 18:52:47 the other went out to journalists. Dec 30 18:52:59 you COULD try to crash it. Dec 30 18:55:53 oh wow Dec 30 18:56:02 I dunno, you might end up on CNN Dec 30 18:56:15 that's why I did'nt get an invite Dec 30 18:56:23 I may hat to crash Dec 30 18:56:26 "Next, an exclusive interview with the Palm Developer Event crashers" Dec 30 18:56:32 have* Dec 30 18:56:40 lol Dec 30 18:56:58 also, btw, I would point out that the deadline for RSVP to the developers event was "before 30 dec 09" so that was YESTERDAY not today. :-) Dec 30 18:57:58 I could go to the one for jounalist, and pose as a jounalist for my university. Dec 30 18:58:03 lol Dec 30 18:58:15 'lo * Dec 30 18:58:54 is there a paste-bin for this channel? Dec 30 18:58:56 hi, is it possible to remove the telephone pin? I'm using zarafa ( "open source exchange" with z-push ) and some policy added this pin. Dec 30 18:59:41 Suruat again, 23dec rsvp date. but ask the univ paper to issue you date-limited credentials and try for it. Dec 30 19:00:07 ah nevermind, its possible to disable it in z-push Dec 30 19:02:13 Hmm, it seems that the listAccounts method in the Accounts service doesn't exist at all. Dec 30 19:02:16 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1737 Dec 30 19:02:41 I can call all the other methods just fine, but I get an error that it doesn't exist when I try to call listAccounts. Dec 30 19:03:25 Can I report that anywhere? Dec 30 19:04:22 jeffwheeler: does it not exist Dec 30 19:04:29 or u may have no contacts for ur app Dec 30 19:04:44 it will only retrieve contacts your app has created Dec 30 19:04:54 atlanta: it goes to the onFailure, with the errorText "Unknown Method" Dec 30 19:05:28 wierd Dec 30 19:05:33 worked for me last time i used it Dec 30 19:05:53 hmm Dec 30 19:06:02 what? contacts? Dec 30 19:06:10 I have an x-mojo-element="List" in my view, am setting it up in the assistant and using a template to format it. Then I'm (trying to) bind the tap-event that takes place on an image in that list to a method but reading the log i'm always getting a "undefined#" when i tap on any of the pictures in the list. anyone have an idea? :( Dec 30 19:06:33 Bmyers: yeah, I'm trying to make something that provides a contacts source Dec 30 19:06:54 Groovester you bind the tap event to the list itself. Dec 30 19:07:10 then you check the original element from the event to find out what was tapped. Dec 30 19:07:42 jeffwheeler: provides contacts to what? Dec 30 19:08:42 Bmyers: Well, this is beyond where I am now, but I'd like to provide it to the general contacts list, in the same way Facebook and LinkedIn are contact sources. Dec 30 19:09:00 For an experiment, I was trying to see about integrating Ubuntu One's contact source. Dec 30 19:09:04 jeffwheeler you can't -- unless you're writing homebrew. Dec 30 19:09:10 Rick: maybe i'm using that list-template thing wrong but the thing is that I have a single "item" in the list's model that actually consists of three images. and i need to find out which of the three images has been clicked which i sought to accomplish by
etc. them Dec 30 19:09:11 it's not allowed. Dec 30 19:09:32 :c Dec 30 19:09:32 even if he sets up his own contact source? Dec 30 19:09:33 thx Dec 30 19:09:37 Rick_work: oh, hmm; that's disappointing Dec 30 19:09:50 I thought that's how LinkedIn worked? Dec 30 19:09:52 Bmyers he said "the general contact list" Dec 30 19:09:59 o, yeah, no.. Dec 30 19:10:04 he did NOT say "this app's contact list." Dec 30 19:10:13 Yeah, I meant the general contact list Dec 30 19:10:14 he said that, does he mean that? Dec 30 19:10:16 jeffwheeler you can only access YOUR APPS contct list. Dec 30 19:10:16 groovester: FirstAssistant.prototype.handleTap = function(event) { Dec 30 19:10:17 //Mojo.Log.error("Event index is: " + event.index); Dec 30 19:10:17 //Mojo.Log.error("selected: "+event.item.data); Dec 30 19:11:00 groovester: where data in event.item.data is from your model Dec 30 19:11:23 swiss: thx, mate, I'll try to transfer your code-magic to my app :) Dec 30 19:11:30 so, the Accounts API is only to save contacts for use within my own app, correct? Dec 30 19:11:41 correct Jeff. Dec 30 19:11:49 alright, thanks Dec 30 19:11:54 but then in contacts, he'll see what he added too right? Dec 30 19:12:02 like in calendars? Dec 30 19:12:09 the only "solution" if you're writing homebrew is to do it as a com.palm.app.xxx app Dec 30 19:12:15 if you create a service account? Dec 30 19:12:30 exactly Bmyers if he synced his ubuntu contacts he would be able to SEE them in email and calendar. Dec 30 19:12:40 but OTHER APPS would not. Only Palm apps. Dec 30 19:12:41 Wait, I'm confused. What's the difference? Dec 30 19:12:49 jeffwheeler see pm Dec 30 19:14:10 jeffwheeler I just private messaged you a link that explains it in detail. Dec 30 19:14:17 i wish contacts could werent so 'cloudy' actually. i have an exchange account that i'd like to get mail from but no sync the contacts Dec 30 19:15:16 you can of course, if your exchange server supports pop or imap. :-) Dec 30 19:16:38 it wont try to sync imap? Dec 30 19:18:05 not CONTACTS Dec 30 19:18:36 you know, now that you say that, I haven't actually tried it. Dec 30 19:19:32 can you not remove an account from contacts but leave it in email? Dec 30 19:20:19 haeffb_pre: no, thats not possible Dec 30 19:21:45 harrumph. well it should be. Dec 30 19:22:44 haeffb: are you really wirc'd in on your pimped pre? Dec 30 19:24:34 haeffb_pre where ELSE would you store it? Dec 30 19:24:44 oh, you betcha. I wa s having truble installing wirc until 1.3.5 Dec 30 19:24:47 I mean, it's a contact, that holds the name and the email address. Dec 30 19:26:31 rick: I mean leave the email account in email app, but remove that account from contacts app. Dec 30 19:27:18 or per account, select which types of data to synergize Dec 30 19:27:32 thats what i wish it had Dec 30 19:28:05 the email account doesn't HAVE an account in the contacts app, it sees EVERYTHING Dec 30 19:31:49 well then it's poorly designed if I can't get my yahoo email w/o linking my yahoo contacts & calendar. Dec 30 19:32:28 the synergy is forced Dec 30 19:33:29 what's up with opengles.ipk and opengles-omap3.ipk in 1.3.5 Dec 30 19:33:31 right, i just want the exchange email, not contacts or cal Dec 30 19:33:36 did anyone look into those files? Dec 30 19:33:54 Hmm, no idea what I changed from earlier, but listAccounts spontaneously started working; my bad. Dec 30 19:34:05 I think they are a mixture of kernel modules and userspace binaries for openGL ES support in the future Dec 30 19:34:54 if my organization has 10000 employees I don't need all those contacts from an exchange server. but I do need email Dec 30 19:35:00 * atlanta hopes the 3d canvas demo works out in the Pre port Dec 30 19:35:06 jfelectron: oh, cool Dec 30 19:35:31 The hope is a CES announcement is in store, but don't hold your breath Dec 30 19:35:38 Hey, I have a question about some patch issues with my pre after updating if anyone could answer them Dec 30 19:36:22 I looked around on the pre central forums but couldn't really find anything on it Dec 30 19:38:02 What's your question? Dec 30 19:38:17 Well, there are some patches I added through preware that apparently no force on earth can remove Dec 30 19:38:45 Even after using webos doctor, repatching the phone and redownloading preware they still show up in my "installed packages" Dec 30 19:39:03 And they don't actually work Dec 30 19:39:44 wait, you said you wiped your phone and repatched it? How did you patch it? With WOSQI? Dec 30 19:39:55 webosdoctor from the palm site Dec 30 19:40:07 And then I downloaded the patch through the network Dec 30 19:40:21 Er, I guess I should be more specific Dec 30 19:40:25 oh you mean the 1.3.5 update.... Dec 30 19:40:38 I have some patches and the update Dec 30 19:40:57 And they were weren't working right after the update, but they wouldn't uninstall off the phone no matter what Dec 30 19:41:02 So I wiped the phone and then reupdated it Dec 30 19:41:11 the patches aren't from palm, how did you install those? Preware? Dec 30 19:41:15 Yes Dec 30 19:41:40 Have you tried running Emergency Patch Removal? Dec 30 19:41:44 Yes Dec 30 19:41:50 anyone know the proper encoding for a "¢" symbol? Dec 30 19:42:12 ChaosHat: I don't know...why don't you ask on webos-internals Dec 30 19:42:46 Hm, okay, have a link? Dec 30 19:42:57 LoneStar: did you look for asci code? Dec 30 19:43:44 Bymers: yeah Dec 30 19:44:02 you can include then like this: \u25BC Dec 30 19:44:10 thats not your symbol but an example Dec 30 19:44:26 wait it should be UTF-8 no? Dec 30 19:44:38 what about on a simple website? Dec 30 19:44:52 oh, I thought this was on device Dec 30 19:44:53 yeah UTF-8 Dec 30 19:45:13 \u00A2 Dec 30 19:45:19 there ya go Dec 30 19:45:28 http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/00a2/index.htm Dec 30 19:45:40 thats all u need Dec 30 19:47:26 has anyone noticed that links that aren't in anchors are 'activated' within scenes? And of course JS regex don't have negative lookbehind, so discriminating between http:// in and and those that aren't is a pain Dec 30 19:47:51 they aren't activated rather Dec 30 19:54:14 thanks guys, was making a sandwich Dec 30 19:56:35 ENGINEER IS CREDIT TO TEAM Dec 30 19:56:46 *ahem* sorry. Dec 30 19:57:00 * swisstomcat 's ear just fell off Dec 30 19:57:19 * Mousey hides glue Dec 30 19:57:36 * swisstomcat takes staple-gun Dec 30 19:57:42 *ouch* Dec 30 19:57:53 nice Dec 30 19:59:34 his fly is down too, still got the staple gun? Dec 30 20:01:42 heh Dec 30 20:01:54 * swisstomcat slaps bmyers with a large trout Dec 30 20:20:58 hm, there is no pushScene() in the stage-assistant but my first scene is still loading - why? :/ Dec 30 20:24:59 is the latest SDK 1.3.5.368? Dec 30 20:25:57 Wow. Decently busy channel ya got here. Dec 30 20:26:02 how would it know what the 'first' scene is? Dec 30 20:26:13 Do you want to start the app without a window? Dec 30 20:26:47 Set "noWindow": "true" in appinfo.json Dec 30 20:27:11 You'll have to explicitly create stages and push scene in the app-assistant Dec 30 20:28:35 nope, i want my second created scene but all i get is the first created scene when the app is starting Dec 30 20:28:48 i dont understand why Dec 30 20:29:06 ares? Dec 30 20:29:33 eclipse with plugin and 1.3.1 sdk Dec 30 20:31:29 in order to display an image in imageview, do you have to call the method centerUrlProvided? Dec 30 20:31:35 is that how you specify (at least) one image/ Dec 30 20:31:40 yetdog: yes you do Dec 30 20:32:09 what's the syntax for the methods? :/ Dec 30 20:32:32 this.controller.get('imageviewID').mojo.centerUrlProvided(urlstring) Dec 30 20:32:37 ah .mojo Dec 30 20:32:38 missed that :) Dec 30 20:32:42 thx! Dec 30 20:32:48 yep....I forget it all the time Dec 30 20:33:54 huh? Error: Object ImageId has no method 'addEventListener' Dec 30 20:34:46 husky: is your scene named 'main'? Dec 30 20:36:18 no, 'Sclogin' Dec 30 20:37:20 jfelectron you familiar w/ that log message? Dec 30 20:38:13 why are you adding an event listener to it? Dec 30 20:38:32 the onLeft and onRight don't require listening Dec 30 20:38:39 palm doc... Dec 30 20:39:10 do you need to be updated of when the image changes other than knowing that it went left or right? Dec 30 20:39:22 I don't listen to the change Dec 30 20:39:23 thats true Dec 30 20:39:36 i want to load in a list of images Dec 30 20:39:40 and be able to page thru them Dec 30 20:39:49 Oh....setup was being strange with the ImageView Dec 30 20:40:11 yeah, i took out the listener and it stopped erroring Dec 30 20:40:26 I ended up using this.controller.update("placeholder",
his.controller.update(this.controller.get('content'),"
") Dec 30 20:41:50 when I used setupWidget, I wan't able to call methods on the element Dec 30 20:41:57 ahh yeah Dec 30 20:42:11 Top of the morning! Dec 30 20:43:01 heya kesne Dec 30 20:43:43 How is your app doing yetdog? Dec 30 20:43:54 going GREAT actually Dec 30 20:43:58 v2 is gonna kick ass Dec 30 20:44:09 trying to figure out how to override the body bg in a new scene at the moment Dec 30 20:44:16 just want it black for the images Dec 30 20:44:25 .palm-default Dec 30 20:44:35 right, but just for that scene? Dec 30 20:44:41 I know Dec 30 20:44:44 One sec Dec 30 20:45:51 #mojo-scene-SCENENAME-scene-scroller { background: transparent url("../images/background.jpg") no-repeat scroll; } Dec 30 20:45:56 There you go sir! Dec 30 20:46:36 that goes right in the main CSS? Dec 30 20:48:14 thanks !:) Dec 30 20:48:27 i still dont understand the diff between the . and the # in css :( Dec 30 20:48:34 . is class Dec 30 20:48:36 # is id Dec 30 20:48:36 kesne: oh! I wanted that as well, awsome :) Dec 30 20:48:48 Of course Dec 30 20:50:55 look at you kesne Dec 30 20:51:09 zsoc: care to elaborate? Dec 30 20:51:54 kesne: all knowing what you're talking about and stuff Dec 30 20:53:11 zsoc: So? I'm still confused... Are you making a point because of my age or something? Dec 30 20:53:57 kesne: no, I'm saying you've come a long way with webos development and it's good to see you providing support to others Dec 30 20:54:12 although you're just as defensive as ever ;) Dec 30 20:54:20 no he isnt.. Dec 30 20:54:58 :P Dec 30 20:55:04 zsoc: Ah, I have come a long way. Mostly thanks to Rick though. He pulled me through lot's of it. Dec 30 20:55:20 Bmyers: Are you saying I'm less defensive, or more? Dec 30 20:56:02 neither.. just throwing gas on the fire.. it's cold here in NY Dec 30 20:56:24 Hah Dec 30 20:57:25 age? Dec 30 20:58:11 Does installing themes on your Pre void your warranty? Dec 30 20:58:39 yoshiness: Even if it does, webOS dr. makes it look as if you didn't Dec 30 20:58:50 bryanroth: Age, yes Dec 30 20:59:06 kesne: I don't get the reference... Dec 30 20:59:31 bryanroth: I'm quite young Dec 30 20:59:37 People make jokes about it Dec 30 21:00:00 kesne: Ah, I see. Dec 30 21:00:31 "kesne, don't you have homework to do?" Dec 30 21:00:34 kesne: for some reason I got this picture in my head that you were middle-aged father o_O Dec 30 21:00:34 Stuff like that Dec 30 21:00:38 Hah Dec 30 21:00:47 don't ask Dec 30 21:01:32 On one of the PalmCast's keith said something like "I have to give him credit because he makes these great apps, and still get's his homework done" Dec 30 21:03:08 kesne: hehe, that's pretty awesome Dec 30 21:03:13 Yeah Dec 30 21:03:23 It's funny stuff Dec 30 21:03:32 kesne: remind me which apps you have developed Dec 30 21:03:55 i have a JSON request grabbing some photos Dec 30 21:03:55 Checkers, Checkers Pro, Wordpress for WebOS (unreleased), Perfect Bounce Dec 30 21:03:56 well Dec 30 21:04:00 some ID's of photos Dec 30 21:04:04 trying to put them into an array Dec 30 21:04:05 this.photos = transport.responseJSON.pics; Dec 30 21:04:11 any reason why that ^ wouldnt work? Dec 30 21:04:20 (log entry after that line doesnt show up in messages) Dec 30 21:04:40 yetdog: Let me see Dec 30 21:04:56 What is it returning Dec 30 21:05:22 kesne: impressive, good job so far Dec 30 21:05:24 http://webos.pastebin.com/m548796d Dec 30 21:05:28 Everyone ready for webGL? Dec 30 21:05:34 I am Dec 30 21:05:39 ill hvae it log the JSON Dec 30 21:05:52 I've gotten everyone at Keen Studios trained in it Dec 30 21:06:03 kesne: brush up on your opengl ;) Dec 30 21:06:15 I just got a book on openGL actually Dec 30 21:06:19 I need to start reading it Dec 30 21:06:33 yetdog: try this this.photos = transport.transport.responseJSON.pics; Dec 30 21:06:39 open up that gpu dangit Dec 30 21:06:55 Dr 1.3.5 is out Dec 30 21:07:11 nvm kes Dec 30 21:07:16 was testing on a show that had no PICS :( durr Dec 30 21:07:23 Hah Dec 30 21:07:37 bryanroth: Patience Dec 30 21:07:45 And watch the CES news like a hawk Dec 30 21:07:50 kesne: indeed Dec 30 21:11:20 yetdog: are you setting evalJSON to true in your AJAX request? Dec 30 21:11:56 transport.responseJSON is raw JSON....you have to convert it to an object Dec 30 21:13:03 jfelectron i got it, yeah Dec 30 21:13:03 :) Dec 30 21:13:05 thanks! Dec 30 21:13:21 K, cool Dec 30 21:13:35 nowwwww...do I *need* to set a leftUrlProvided/Right object if i want to flip thru? Dec 30 21:13:49 becaues i seem to have it set up using just center..but i cant swipe to the left or right Dec 30 21:13:55 well, it doesnt swap photos Dec 30 21:16:50 yetdog: yes you do Dec 30 21:17:16 ah ok :) Dec 30 21:17:19 thx jbjoerk! Dec 30 21:18:50 you also need to define the OnLeft and OnRight callbacks Dec 30 21:19:05 anybody here have some spare time to create a web app in RoR - send me a message Dec 30 21:19:35 yetdog: and provide a new left and new right accordingly Dec 30 21:19:39 yeah those callbacks are built Dec 30 21:19:50 incrementing and decrementing my array index accordingly (at least i hope ) ;) Dec 30 21:20:16 talking about the ImageView widget.. anyone tried extending it so you can preload more images? Dec 30 21:20:38 next step is having the images auto resize to fill the screen Dec 30 21:20:41 right now they are tiny thumbs Dec 30 21:22:29 damn how do i know w hich is a right flick and which is left Dec 30 21:23:52 ok, finger right edge to left (moving forward in the list of images, basically) Dec 30 21:24:09 is that an onLeft of onRight? lol Dec 30 21:25:48 yetdog: Why don't I just pastebin my imageview scene....its all there Dec 30 21:26:09 yetdog: left is back, right is forward Dec 30 21:26:40 thought so.. Dec 30 21:26:57 http://www.pastie.org/761775 Dec 30 21:27:14 use the deviceinfo to size the widget appropriately Dec 30 21:27:25 and do this.controller.enableFullScreenMode(true) Dec 30 21:27:36 if you want full screen Dec 30 21:27:54 that is pretty slick...thank you..i will be using that! Dec 30 21:28:11 I have it resize it on orientation changes too! Dec 30 21:28:13 ! Dec 30 21:28:15 thanks! Dec 30 21:28:53 does this look right? Dec 30 21:28:53 http://webos.pastebin.com/m5e9aa126 Dec 30 21:30:06 back Dec 30 21:30:39 yedog: you need have bounds checking so you don't try to access outside the array Dec 30 21:31:19 yep, doing that now Dec 30 21:31:42 any regex gurus onboard? Dec 30 21:32:12 has anyone had trouble downloading Ares from palm? Dec 30 21:32:12 I'm trying to get this very simple negative lookahead working and it won't :( Dec 30 21:32:26 downloading Ares? Its a web app Dec 30 21:32:34 SteveApos: you cant Dec 30 21:32:54 <_ivanst_> jfelectron: i know my way around regexps... Dec 30 21:32:55 alright let me rephrase that has anyone been getting a blank grey screen Dec 30 21:33:20 _invanst: I want to match a url that isn't followed by a double quote Dec 30 21:33:29 http://vocshop.com/games/palmApps/crossword/webos-crossword.html Dec 30 21:34:20 <_ivanst_> jfelectron: can you match an url? ie. can i consider that part to be solved? Dec 30 21:34:52 yes that part is fine...its the negative lookahead that's the problem Dec 30 21:35:32 <_ivanst_> jfelectron: you could do the [^"] after the regexp part Dec 30 21:35:40 <_ivanst_> i mean after the url part Dec 30 21:35:50 I want to exlcude urls that are followed by " Dec 30 21:36:00 [^"] just halts the matching at " Dec 30 21:36:15 match url but not url" Dec 30 21:36:45 this lookahead (?!") doesn't seem to work Dec 30 21:37:40 bah my mind is fried. damn bounds checking :) Dec 30 21:37:48 <_ivanst_> jfelectron: can i /msg you? Dec 30 21:37:52 yes Dec 30 21:38:49 anyone here? Dec 30 21:39:00 yes Dec 30 21:39:36 i am having probs with installing my patches back.. i finally got preware all back together and working, but when i go to install a patch it wont install any of them.. Dec 30 21:39:50 gives an ipkg error having to do with diffstat Dec 30 21:42:41 anyone? Dec 30 21:45:43 #webos-internals is where you can get help Dec 30 21:45:59 you have the newest package manager? Dec 30 21:46:37 yup.. 9.27 Dec 30 21:57:20 wow my battery drains fast since 1.3.5 Dec 30 21:57:20 :( Dec 30 21:57:50 high load average? 5+ 15 min Dec 30 21:58:58 Is it OK if I ask general questions about the behaviour of the default apps in here? I'm considering a Palm Pre as my next phone but I have some kind of finnicky questions about app behaviour (the browser, in particular). Dec 30 21:59:14 rlpowell: shoot Dec 30 21:59:17 'k, thanks. Dec 30 22:00:04 I'm likely to do a lot of wiki editing; if I make a bunch of edits and then somehow go to a new page without saving: 1. is there a back button? 2. will my edited version of the text box still be there when I hit said back button? Dec 30 22:00:37 (IE, for example, reloads everything including text boxes when you hit back; I can't tell you how much work I've lost that way over the years) Dec 30 22:00:45 (I don't use IE for wiki editing anymore :) Dec 30 22:01:40 Second, much easier question: if I'm out of coverage (i.e. in the subway) and I send an sms, does it get cleanly resent when I leave? My PalmOS phone locks up real good in that situation, and then *sometimes* gets around to actually sending the thing when Iget signal back. Dec 30 22:06:11 rlpowell: to answer your first question, browser cache seems to rely on available memory Dec 30 22:06:34 zsoc: OK, but it *does* cache text fields for this purpose? Dec 30 22:06:52 rlpowell: you could always write it somewhere less volitile (memos?) and copy/paste. the copy paste functionality is pretty advanced imo Dec 30 22:07:06 rlpowell: I can test it for you. ssl I assume? Dec 30 22:07:07 rlpowell: on the 2nd, my experience has been that the sms is not sent Dec 30 22:07:58 rlpowell: my experience with 'sending while offline' is pretty reliable, and there is a homebrew patch to force it to work Dec 30 22:08:12 Heh, two directly contradictory answers! \o/ :) Dec 30 22:08:24 zsoc: I would love a test, and ssl is not necessary actually. Dec 30 22:08:55 maybe I just didn't wait long enuf. Dec 30 22:08:59 rlpowell: might depend on the city Dec 30 22:10:01 *nod* Dec 30 22:10:35 Regardless, it doesn't do the whole "HOLY SHIT I CAN'T GET SIGNAL; I'M GOING TO COMPLETELY LOCK SO YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WHILE I SEARCH!!!" thing, right? :) Dec 30 22:10:40 PalmOS really likes to do that. Dec 30 22:11:28 ripowell: Mine will generally send after, but it never locks up. It will tell me it didn't send and I can just copy it and resend. Dec 30 22:11:53 Cool. Thanks. Dec 30 22:11:57 rlpowell: hey it works :) I typed stuff into translate.google.com, then manually entered yahoo.com and waited for it to load. then went back. text field was still there Dec 30 22:12:19 zsoc: \o/ Dec 30 22:12:21 Thanks! Dec 30 22:12:35 I didn't even realize webkit did that Dec 30 22:12:55 :) Dec 30 22:19:02 thanks rwhitby Dec 30 22:20:04 anyone care to check my bounds functions? Dec 30 22:20:13 i tihnk im doing it wayyy too complicated, but maybe not Dec 30 22:22:32 bounds? Dec 30 22:23:43 eh i was working w/ jfelectron on some imageview stuff Dec 30 22:24:14 yetdog: I can look at it Dec 30 22:24:40 http://webos.pastebin.com/me458d19 Dec 30 22:24:45 probably totally broken. Dec 30 22:24:53 in your code you showed me, you dont set the centerimage? Dec 30 22:24:56 only the first time? Dec 30 22:25:37 You don't need to Dec 30 22:25:47 the widget it handles it automagically Dec 30 22:26:13 oooh Dec 30 22:26:14 it just doesn't have a 'model' so it doesn't know what is left and right Dec 30 22:26:18 so you have to tell it Dec 30 22:26:22 each swipe Dec 30 22:27:38 I don't understand why you have two if and an else Dec 30 22:27:59 oh nevermind Dec 30 22:28:06 just different logic, same result though Dec 30 22:28:08 yeah Dec 30 22:28:15 trying it via your code now Dec 30 22:29:11 also, do yourself a favor and cache the reference to the imageViewer widget, so you can use it repeatedly in your code Dec 30 22:29:36 how is that done? Dec 30 22:30:27 like this.imagewidget=this.controller.get('ImageId') Dec 30 22:30:45 then you can just use this.imagewidget instead of repeatedly calling the controller.get method Dec 30 22:30:59 ah, more efficient? Dec 30 22:31:11 its faster to write and I think its more efficient to execute Dec 30 22:31:55 What should I put in the Review notes Dec 30 22:31:57 for a new app Dec 30 22:32:03 I was thinking some lyrics for a random song Dec 30 22:35:17 ugh..now its throwing an exception after i put in that code Dec 30 22:35:22 something about the setup method Dec 30 22:35:30 Error: Cannot call method 'bind' of undefined Dec 30 22:36:19 weird since i didnt change anything in setup Dec 30 22:37:18 bah extra } Dec 30 22:37:48 what are you binding, the onLeft and onRight functions? Dec 30 22:39:26 jfelectron i dont see the this.initialfocus in your code Dec 30 22:39:34 oh nm Dec 30 22:39:37 i see thats how you seed the index Dec 30 22:40:00 its being passed to the scene constructor Dec 30 22:40:29 A user clicks on an image link in another scene, it pulls all images from the list item and the loads the correct one in the center Dec 30 22:40:54 so the imageviewer gets loaded with 1 to n images with the one they clicked on in the center Dec 30 22:41:04 http://webos.pastebin.com/m478e83d1 Dec 30 22:41:09 there, much shorter and cleaner Dec 30 22:41:51 failing after first flick, but cleaner and easier to manage Dec 30 22:42:01 hi all! Dec 30 22:42:09 Hey JenP Dec 30 22:42:15 hey kesne! Dec 30 22:42:48 had syntax issues too so hang right :0 Dec 30 22:43:38 working to the right. not once i go left. almost there :) Dec 30 22:44:25 Error: WARNING: ValueAnimator caught exception in onComplete(): TypeError: Object # has no method 'leftUrlProvided', Dec 30 22:44:56 AH! Dec 30 22:45:01 left out the .mojo in one of those :) Dec 30 22:45:17 yeah, that'll kill ya Dec 30 22:45:37 WORKING :) thank you. now on to play w/ the full screen/resize/rotation Dec 30 22:45:39 thank you so much! Dec 30 22:49:26 no prob....its awesome! Dec 30 22:58:02 Is there a trick to get text to fade in and our (css opacity) Dec 30 22:58:37 catalystmediastu if you figure it out let me know. It was what I was wrestling with last night Dec 30 22:59:12 I definitely will. I can't seem to get it to work at all, but I swear in webOS 1.2 the menu in the Photos app faded in with opacity and worked just fine :S Dec 30 22:59:39 it would be a web-kit function. have you looked there? Dec 30 23:01:54 No I haven't. What do you mean by webkit-function. I don't even know what to look for :p Dec 30 23:02:02 Does Preware work on the Pixi? Dec 30 23:02:27 http://www.the-art-of-web.com/css/timing-function/ Dec 30 23:02:39 catalystmediastu goto that site using chrome Dec 30 23:03:36 JenP: Ok I did it, that's css-animations right? That's what I'm using to TRY to animate the opacity of text haha Dec 30 23:06:47 hmm you'd think you could use it to transition between text colors Dec 30 23:09:17 You can, but it looks funky. At least in my app it does :S Dec 30 23:09:35 * haeffb_pre remembers some posts on dev forum re opacity not werking Dec 30 23:11:42 Oh well, I'll just do something else to get the effect I want :) Dec 30 23:13:33 there is a thread called 'opacity & text' that may have more info... Dec 30 23:20:48 Thanks haeffb_pre, I'm looking for it now Dec 31 00:00:21 are emoticons enabled in richText boxes? My testing says no. Dec 31 00:12:26 hi Dec 31 00:12:32 Roy-Pre101: ping Dec 31 00:13:13 i just prewared my pre. when i try to start preware, it says loading prethemer... for minutes... Dec 31 00:13:35 webos 1.3.1 Dec 31 00:14:09 psi_: #webos-internals for preware stuff Dec 31 00:14:17 thx Dec 31 00:23:22 Anyone know how to get add the type of touch-feedback that headers and buttons have to arbitrary elements? Like swapping the border-image or background color on an arbitrary div? Dec 31 00:24:13 psi_, are you using webos quick install or preware 0.9.5? Dec 31 00:24:59 lostabit: webos. but already found out. thanks to zsoc Dec 31 00:25:14 k Dec 31 00:29:58 someone looking for me? Dec 31 00:30:07 zsoc: Hwyo Dec 31 00:30:11 heyo, too Dec 31 00:30:45 Roy-Pre101: are you the bugger that knows all the nifty canvas stuff? Dec 31 00:31:41 Well, I know some things. You really want to talk with the guy who did Paratroopers Dec 31 00:36:16 Roy-Pre101: do we know that guy? I just think it would be interesting as a proof of concept to port some webGL compatible stuff to an app, for testing purposes. I mean we know it works (through that lovely 3d js browser code) Dec 31 00:37:52 what 3d js browser code? Dec 31 00:38:27 I gotta go AFK but let me know more when I come back later. Dec 31 00:54:16 hi, i have a general question on how to do something dynamic in webos Dec 31 00:54:28 is anyone here currently? Dec 31 00:55:02 hello Dec 31 00:55:15 Yes Dec 31 00:55:20 ? Dec 31 00:56:13 /join webos Dec 31 00:56:16 /join #webos Dec 31 00:56:36 hello Dec 31 01:00:03 I find myself often wishing i could access a song from my home computer on my pre. It'd be pretty cool to connect to a home ftpd and download files on the go to my pre. Does anyone have any solutions for this? Dec 31 01:00:31 has anyone run into issues using windows 7 and the SDK? Dec 31 01:00:57 eclipse or komodo... Dec 31 01:05:09 upgrading to windows 7 tonight Dec 31 01:05:18 zsoc: So, what stuff were you talking about? Dec 31 01:06:41 hi Dec 31 01:06:48 is anyone around? Dec 31 01:06:49 Roy-Pre101: i'm sorry, we're in the middle of some crazy stuff in internals. there might be more 'access' available to the gpu than we thought Dec 31 01:07:08 fileCoaster manages to download files to the Pre, is there anyway to download other files from a web server or anything else? Dec 31 01:07:13 Roy-Pre101: http://www.benjoffe.com/code/demos/canvascape/textures <-- go to that page on your pre, you get a rendered environment in javascript using canvas and things similar to webgl standard Dec 31 01:07:58 i had a question on how best to do something dynamically... basically i have a list, where once you select a particular list item, i want to enable different types of input [for instance, the input could be simply free text, a multi-choice list, single choice list, or engage the camera] Dec 31 01:08:13 how would i best pull off the dynamic input gathering.. is it best to use a dialog? Dec 31 01:08:35 if i do use a dialog, do i need to have separate scenes for each type of input i'm wanting to use? Dec 31 01:08:53 zsoc: That's not webgl stuff. Dec 31 01:09:28 that's just plain canvas. Dec 31 01:10:22 Roy-Pre101: why does it work? Dec 31 01:10:28 Roy-Pre101: it didn't on 1.3.1, what changed? Dec 31 01:10:29 because it's just canvas. Dec 31 01:10:35 Are you certain of that? Dec 31 01:10:53 Roy-Pre101: yes Dec 31 01:11:11 Doesn't actually seem to work that well. Dec 31 01:11:49 ah, there we go. Dec 31 01:11:57 is there a way to pass data from a showdialog? Dec 31 01:12:07 Roy-Pre101: doesn't work _well_ ;) Dec 31 01:14:03 so no ideas how i could download files from my home computer to my pre on the go? Dec 31 01:14:36 :=/ Dec 31 01:14:40 :-/ Dec 31 01:15:01 Dave___: usb drive? Dec 31 01:15:18 does anyone have an example of a showdialog? Dec 31 01:15:50 Mousey i mean via the internet Dec 31 01:15:55 scp? Dec 31 01:16:04 * Mousey uses scp Dec 31 01:16:22 whats that Dec 31 01:17:40 are there any built in icons that we can use in webos applications? Dec 31 01:17:42 oh Dec 31 01:21:07 how do you use the status indicator widget? Dec 31 01:21:57 thecleanmachine: I don't think there's anything on webos101.com on that. If you figure it out, please add it. Dec 31 01:22:47 i was wondering Dec 31 01:22:58 if i wanted to have a togglebutton or something in a list item Dec 31 01:23:03 and then change the state Dec 31 01:23:07 based on data Dec 31 01:23:11 how would that be done Dec 31 01:23:11 ? Dec 31 01:25:04 There's a sample on webos101.com on setting up widgets in a list. Dec 31 01:25:26 really Dec 31 01:25:27 where? Dec 31 01:25:48 Mousey i want to be able to download from my pre, not upload to it. SCP is for sending to it, correct? Dec 31 01:26:50 i.e. connect to my website on my pre and download an mp3 to the phone or something Dec 31 01:27:32 Dave___: scp is just copying over ssh Dec 31 01:28:00 yah Dec 31 01:28:22 i was hoping to either setup an ftpd on my computer, or httpd, and then download whatever i want, whenever i want via my pre Dec 31 01:30:00 Yo Dawg! Dec 31 01:31:06 Rick_work: Small problem with the crossword Dec 31 01:34:32 hmm Dec 31 01:34:38 anyone have any ideas about showDialog? Dec 31 01:37:16 I use showDialog lots, whats up? Dec 31 01:46:56 kesne: so what i'm trying to do is the following.. Dec 31 01:47:16 basically, i have a list, and when you click on a item on the list.. i want to do a custom dialog that asks for different types of input.. Dec 31 01:47:43 for instance, asking for free form text, multi-choice selections, or single-choice selection, or even getting an image... Dec 31 01:47:44 Did you get the tap listener working? Dec 31 01:48:13 yeah, tap works fine.. but i have no idea how to setup the custom dialog... or whether some other method is better for what i'm trying to do Dec 31 01:48:13 Oh, that's advanced Show Dialog. I've only done the most basic stuff with it Dec 31 01:48:23 oh .. okay Dec 31 01:48:30 any idea, how i could pull off what i want? Dec 31 01:48:48 Did you look through the API demo and UI widgets Dec 31 01:50:21 how do i do that? Dec 31 01:50:27 where do i get the api demo? Dec 31 01:50:31 i'm using ares .. :-/ Dec 31 01:50:37 It's isntalled with the SDK Dec 31 01:50:45 really? in the emulator? Dec 31 01:52:20 Program Files -> Palm -> SDK -> share -> samplecode -> samples -> APIs Dec 31 01:54:35 i'm on mac Dec 31 01:54:35 :-/ Dec 31 01:56:02 olkay i found it Dec 31 01:56:06 how do i run it on the emulator? Dec 31 01:56:11 i'm using ares for development :-/ Dec 31 02:05:04 Oh Dec 31 02:05:06 No idea Dec 31 02:05:16 Package it? Dec 31 02:27:59 * Bmyers Rick_work: ping Dec 31 02:32:58 how do you reference a local file Dec 31 02:33:05 like, if i have a img src in html Dec 31 02:33:12 and i want to reference a local file in the images directory Dec 31 02:33:17 how do i specify the src? Dec 31 02:39:53 thecleanmachine: in an html file: src="images/myimg.png" Dec 31 02:39:59 cool Dec 31 02:40:04 figured it out Dec 31 02:40:04 in css ../images/myimg.png Dec 31 02:46:46 anyone around that has actually gotten the admob-webos sdk to work...: http://code.google.com/p/admob-webos/wiki/IntegrationDocumentation Dec 31 02:48:01 natenrb9: Not working for you? Dec 31 02:48:08 I was about to try to integrate it. Dec 31 02:48:13 no, not at all... Dec 31 02:48:19 stupid sdk Dec 31 02:48:44 Take a look at roll-a-doodle, the free version uses admob, it looks like. Dec 31 02:49:07 is it in homebrew? Dec 31 02:50:01 I found a few apps that use admob, but none of them use the actual webOS SDK Dec 31 02:50:15 they use just a manual integration Dec 31 02:50:16 It's in the app catalog Dec 31 02:56:44 roy-pre101: let me know if you get the sdk to work... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 31 02:59:57 2009