**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 07 02:59:56 2010
Jan 07 03:00:10 <haeffb> jfelectron: is it working yet?
Jan 07 03:00:30 <jfelectron> haeffb: funny you ask....just finished polishing the CSS
Jan 07 03:00:39 <jfelectron> had to adjust the math in the script
Jan 07 03:00:51 <jfelectron> because I resized the sat and hue thingys
Jan 07 03:01:10 <Senk> atlanta: yea i just cut it a little because ill wait until my phantom screen protector arrvives. dont wanna scratch my screen
Jan 07 03:01:23 <jfelectron> haeffb: hue is 60px wide...quite usable I think
Jan 07 03:01:25 <atlanta> Senk: indeed
Jan 07 03:01:46 <jfelectron> haeffb: made Sat square 225px square
Jan 07 03:01:50 <Senk> anyone know how i can remove app i installed from the app catalog?
Jan 07 03:01:57 <Templarian> (for all those interested in CES join #webos-watercooler. That is all)
Jan 07 03:02:19 <haeffb> sene me ipk and I'll try on a pixi
Jan 07 03:02:42 <jfelectron> haeffb: 225 is about the max to still be able to fit the hue bar
Jan 07 03:02:46 <jfelectron> OK hold on
Jan 07 03:05:00 <jfelectron> just noticed slider is slightly off...need to fix that...but the sizing is there
Jan 07 03:05:40 <jfelectron> be back in a bit
Jan 07 03:14:49 <haeffb> cata
Jan 07 03:14:58 <haeffb> catalystmediastu: hello.
Jan 07 03:15:33 <catalystmediastu> Hey haeffb!
Jan 07 03:16:06 <haeffb> i vaguely remember you having a question a couple of days ago...is it still an issue?
Jan 07 03:16:21 <reality9110> 50,000 downloads.
Jan 07 03:16:43 <haeffb> reality9110: wow. awesome!
Jan 07 03:17:04 <catalystmediastu> reality9110: Wow! Which app is it?
Jan 07 03:17:05 <reality9110> Seems to be growing at around 20,000 a week
Jan 07 03:17:11 <reality9110> catalystmediastu: RadioTime
Jan 07 03:17:25 <jfelectron> haeffb: I think I'll put the slider inside the hue box...when the background gets light you can't see it
Jan 07 03:17:26 <catalystmediastu> Oh that's right :) I like it.
Jan 07 03:17:33 <jfelectron> reality9110: one of my fav apps!
Jan 07 03:17:47 <haeffb> jfelectron: the slider needs to be...bigger.
Jan 07 03:17:56 <jfelectron> reality9110: NPR head....had bookmarks before, but I'm lazy
Jan 07 03:18:19 <jfelectron> heaffb:  the hue box or the actual slider?
Jan 07 03:18:24 <reality9110> Update is coming as soon as Palm publishes it.
Jan 07 03:18:35 <reality9110> New user interface
Jan 07 03:18:39 <reality9110> Few more features.
Jan 07 03:19:21 <jfelectron> reality9110: any possibility of pausing in the future?
Jan 07 03:19:22 <haeffb> the slider
Jan 07 03:19:33 <haeffb> the img
Jan 07 03:19:36 <reality9110> jfelectron: Pausing?
Jan 07 03:20:01 <reality9110> As in stopping mid stream and then playing back from that position?
Jan 07 03:20:07 <jfelectron> reality9110: yeah...the little KQED app I guess records the stream locally
Jan 07 03:20:25 <reality9110> jfelectron: Yeah, it's a battery killer though.
Jan 07 03:20:29 <Senk> i need help removing apps i installed from the app catalog
Jan 07 03:20:35 <jfelectron> reality9110: ahh good point
Jan 07 03:20:57 <reality9110> jfelectron: If use the headphones and the little button on it, it'll actually pause
Jan 07 03:20:57 <jfelectron> reality9110: there's always podcasts for talk radio anyhow
Jan 07 03:21:15 <haeffb> maybe it's not an img...?
Jan 07 03:21:22 <jfelectron> haeffb:  It's a png
Jan 07 03:21:34 <jfelectron> I stretched it to make it wider. I can enlarge the arrows
Jan 07 03:21:43 <haeffb> whatever it is, the arrows are tiny
Jan 07 03:21:54 <jfelectron> haeffb: OK, thanks for the feedback
Jan 07 03:22:21 <random_> anyone here using a Pre on Iusacell (Mexico)?
Jan 07 03:22:24 <reality9110> jfelectron: We just redid the podcasts part the other day.  There's a ton more podcasts
Jan 07 03:22:31 <haeffb> that's about all I'm good for at this point...
Jan 07 03:45:46 <renegaid> the engadged app is nice but you cannot post comments
Jan 07 03:46:45 <Bmyers> anyone have an example of a php / webos phone home to post to your own server?
Jan 07 03:47:14 <qillerneu> I just use jquery...
Jan 07 03:48:31 <reality9110> renegaid: Yeah, you can
Jan 07 03:48:45 <renegaid> not working
Jan 07 03:49:02 <renegaid> I don't think you can
Jan 07 03:49:05 <reality9110> Works fine for me
Jan 07 03:50:08 <atlanta> what jquery
Jan 07 03:50:09 <atlanta> ?
Jan 07 03:50:12 <atlanta> yea u can
Jan 07 03:50:13 <renegaid> tapping reply nothing happens
Jan 07 03:50:41 <renegaid> oh wait I guess I have to log in first
Jan 07 03:50:47 <Bmyers> qillerneu: to phone home?
Jan 07 03:52:05 <qillerneu> phone home, motd, hi scores (it's a game)
Jan 07 03:52:32 <jfelectron> haeffb: sending you the latest
Jan 07 03:53:05 <reality9110> Anybody have yahoo messenger?
Jan 07 03:53:35 <Bmyers> you use jquery on your server?
Jan 07 03:54:30 <atlanta> reality9110: who uses yahoo these days
Jan 07 03:54:44 <qillerneu> on webos side. I could use stock prototype I guess as well, just more familiar with jquery
Jan 07 03:54:53 <jfelectron> haeffb: going home...may not work more tonight. See ya tommorow
Jan 07 03:54:53 <qillerneu> php on server side
Jan 07 03:55:14 <atlanta> qillerneu: u can use query
Jan 07 03:55:18 <atlanta> jquery
Jan 07 03:55:30 <atlanta> brb shower whilst ubuntu updateth
Jan 07 03:55:59 <Bmyers> qillerneu: right the php part is what i was interested in
Jan 07 04:05:53 <prototypic> app submission fees start tomorrow
Jan 07 04:06:13 <prototypic> :(
Jan 07 04:06:20 <JenP> hi all!
Jan 07 04:06:22 <Tibfib> just sent my email in...
Jan 07 04:06:28 <Tibfib> hoping to get in free
Jan 07 04:06:54 <LoneStar99> hi JenP
Jan 07 04:06:54 <atlanta> prototypic: where did u see tha t
Jan 07 04:06:54 <atlanta> ?
Jan 07 04:07:03 <JenP> hi LoneStar99!
Jan 07 04:07:09 <qillerneu> they better announce something tomorrow in return
Jan 07 04:07:17 <Tibfib> well palm is supposed to be announcing their dev program tomorrow
Jan 07 04:07:24 <atlanta> im going to update now
Jan 07 04:07:26 <JenP> i heard tomorrow 6pm's the deadline
Jan 07 04:07:28 <atlanta> app finished or not
Jan 07 04:07:50 <prototypic> I'v got 3 apps no where near ready to submit
Jan 07 04:07:58 <prototypic> I hope the fees are ~50$ or less
Jan 07 04:08:17 <prototypic> and i hope updates are free
Jan 07 04:08:47 <Tibfib> Dang I have an app that is ready... but the source(online not in my control) is not ready
Jan 07 04:09:03 <JenP> prototypic i can't imagine them chargine for updates, but who knows
Jan 07 04:09:15 <Tibfib> Yeah they better not charge for updates
Jan 07 04:09:19 <Tibfib> that would be stupid
Jan 07 04:10:04 <prototypic> i assume the sdl will be the big reveal
Jan 07 04:10:04 <JenP> well we should hear something tonight... palms dev rsvp is going on right now...they'll probably say something
Jan 07 04:10:06 <LoneStar99> yeah, I'll never update my apps... buggy or not
Jan 07 04:10:19 <LoneStar99> JK
Jan 07 04:10:27 <qillerneu> Bmyers - http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?16id0vua7z1q mini sample...
Jan 07 04:10:47 <haeffb> jenp
Jan 07 04:10:54 <JenP> haeffb!!!
Jan 07 04:10:56 <JenP> hello
Jan 07 04:10:59 <bjorkintosh> where does webos download attachments to by default?
Jan 07 04:11:19 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  I would submit, and will they review, get your code working better
Jan 07 04:11:21 <haeffb> what is up in the land of milk and honey?
Jan 07 04:11:50 <JenP> not much...oh guess what i found out about at work today?
Jan 07 04:12:08 <LoneStar99> what land is milk and honey?  Wiily Wonkas Factory?
Jan 07 04:12:12 <JenP> apparently as of yesterday I was late for my deliverable that's due tomorrow....
Jan 07 04:12:23 <JenP> yup...lots of logic there
Jan 07 04:12:25 <bjorkintosh> LoneStar99, a dairy farm with bees.
Jan 07 04:12:38 <haeffb> dude. gotta turn it in at LEAST a week early to keep from being late.
Jan 07 04:12:39 <LoneStar99> nice
Jan 07 04:12:41 <qillerneu> I wonder if you could submit
Jan 07 04:12:55 <qillerneu> and immediately request to reject :)
Jan 07 04:13:03 <Tibfib> LoneStar: My code is good until there are updates to the online area...not my stuff. If is submit and the online place isn't ready... it would be bad
Jan 07 04:13:05 <bjorkintosh> so there's no default location for downloaded files in webos?
Jan 07 04:13:11 <JenP> haeffb lol..yeah...they already got my christmas and new year...next stop..???
Jan 07 04:13:40 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: is it like an API you are depending on?
Jan 07 04:13:49 <Bmyers> hi jenp
Jan 07 04:13:50 <JenP> reality9110: I'm working your REGEX right now
Jan 07 04:13:57 <JenP> Hi Bmyers!!
Jan 07 04:13:58 <Bmyers> thx qillerneu
Jan 07 04:14:03 <JenP> how ya dong?
Jan 07 04:14:04 <Tibfib> No... an RSS Feed, but it is currently down
Jan 07 04:14:06 <Tibfib> and updating
Jan 07 04:14:13 <Bmyers> gotta finish up my stuff.. 6pm tomorrow eh?
Jan 07 04:14:15 <Tibfib> (been down for a month or so)
Jan 07 04:14:44 <Tibfib> scratch that
Jan 07 04:14:59 <Tibfib> "and updating" part... Idk if they are doing anything to it
Jan 07 04:15:00 <JenP> Bmyers that's what i've heard...but like i said my handler informed me yesterday...
Jan 07 04:15:20 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: what sort of info does the RSS feed provide?
Jan 07 04:15:35 <Tibfib> The app itself... my app is a simple MLIA Reader
Jan 07 04:15:35 <JenP> hey how long is it taking Palm to review apps now?
Jan 07 04:15:46 <Tibfib> just a clean look
Jan 07 04:15:57 <Bmyers> FOREVER!!
Jan 07 04:15:59 <Bmyers> :)
Jan 07 04:16:10 <JenP> ohh you haven't heard anything yet?
Jan 07 04:16:50 <bjorkintosh> is any one here using webos?
Jan 07 04:16:52 <bjorkintosh> anyone at all?
Jan 07 04:16:52 <JenP> Bmyers does it say your apps in review?
Jan 07 04:16:58 <Bmyers> in review
Jan 07 04:17:05 <JenP> how long now?
Jan 07 04:17:25 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: what is MLIA?
Jan 07 04:17:39 <Tibfib> MyLifeIsAverage... like FML
Jan 07 04:17:56 <LoneStar99> i thought it was the shite standard for college MLA
Jan 07 04:18:11 <Tibfib> hah nope
Jan 07 04:18:17 <Bmyers> since 29th
Jan 07 04:19:00 <prototypic> do updates push your app back to the top of the recent list?
Jan 07 04:19:25 <JenP> prototypic from what i've seen ...yes
Jan 07 04:19:34 <LoneStar99> awesome!
Jan 07 04:19:51 <prototypic> ok good, cause my app is unpopular. if I update I get another chance
Jan 07 04:20:09 <LoneStar99> yeah unlimited chances!
Jan 07 04:20:31 <JenP> prototypic what's your app?
Jan 07 04:20:41 <prototypic> browsermarks
Jan 07 04:21:13 <prototypic> right now it's a delicious bookmark manager, but could evolve into a browser replacement
Jan 07 04:21:51 <Tibfib> does the app launch the browse in a new card... or use webview widget?
Jan 07 04:21:58 <prototypic> widget
Jan 07 04:21:58 <Tibfib> the *bookmark*
Jan 07 04:22:05 <Tibfib> nice nice... I'll have to check it out
Jan 07 04:22:41 <prototypic> iv got lots of work to do with it still
Jan 07 04:23:25 <LoneStar99> haeffb: you know if jfelectron got the picker larger?
Jan 07 04:26:52 <LoneStar99> anyone messed with "godmode" in win7?
Jan 07 04:28:02 <Tibfib> ]
Jan 07 04:28:14 <Tibfib> dang... I keep accidentally pressing buttons
Jan 07 04:28:15 <Tibfib> hah
Jan 07 04:28:21 <Tibfib> sorry guys
Jan 07 04:31:54 <prototypic> LoneStar99: aparently it's just the view all tasks screen?
Jan 07 04:32:13 <prototypic> i tried it in win server 08 and broke my shell
Jan 07 04:32:27 <prototypic> had to delete the directory in dos to bring my machine back
Jan 07 04:33:06 <LoneStar99> yeah, was checking it out: bunch of options in one place
Jan 07 04:33:20 <LoneStar99> wow crazy
Jan 07 04:34:56 <muesli> any insights when 1.3.5 is coming to european gsm palms?
Jan 07 04:36:36 <LoneStar99> prototypic: did it break immediately?
Jan 07 04:37:04 <PreGame> muesli: it's nothing special, it sucks the life out of the battery like a vampire
Jan 07 04:38:13 <PreGame> When they said "Battery life improvement" they meant "Improved the pre to drain the battery faster and better"
Jan 07 04:38:49 <muesli> PreGame: interesting, you're the first person to claim that
Jan 07 04:39:11 <muesli> so far i've read / heard good things about the update
Jan 07 04:39:27 <prototypic> LoneStar99 sort of, I could restart explorer and as long as I stayed away from the parent folder I wouldnt crash
Jan 07 04:39:44 <PreGame> check the precentral.net forums
Jan 07 04:39:48 <PreGame> many people are complaining
Jan 07 04:39:50 <muesli> what kernel is 1.3.5 running?
Jan 07 04:39:51 <prototypic> I have to say I kept on all my services today and got over 24 hours of life from my battery
Jan 07 04:40:19 <prototypic> buch better battery than normal since 1.3.5
Jan 07 04:40:52 <prototypic> *m
Jan 07 04:42:54 <PreGame> the 1.3.5 update does battery rounding
Jan 07 04:43:15 <PreGame> if you install the patch that shows the actual percentage it goes down MUCH faster than what palm is actually showing
Jan 07 04:44:56 <prototypic> so I wonder if palm would go for a multi app? like a widget viewer that could contain hundreds of widget type apps.
Jan 07 04:45:09 <prototypic> google gadget viewer
Jan 07 04:47:37 <prototypic> I'v only made my scene's using ares, but would it theoretically be possible to send a scene a json object and have it place form elements on the scene programatically?
Jan 07 04:49:17 <LoneStar99> prototypic:  what is an example?
Jan 07 04:50:07 <PreGame> prototypic: Yes
Jan 07 04:51:14 <PreGame> you can use javascript to create the elements and assign them mojo properties
Jan 07 04:51:46 <prototypic> I just wasnt sure if mojo had the ability to manipulate the dom fully
Jan 07 04:55:23 <Roy-Pre101> http://pre101.com/blog/2010/01/07/wednesday-news-roundup-ces-native-apps-2010-predictions-and-more/
Jan 07 04:55:44 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Check out the WebOS Internals section.
Jan 07 04:56:17 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: applicatins
Jan 07 04:56:53 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: looks good, thanks
Jan 07 04:57:14 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Thanks for the catch.  Even red underlines and two proof readers didn't catch that. :P  Too late for us here.
Jan 07 04:59:29 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: nice mention of Australia later in the piece :-)
Jan 07 05:00:30 <Roy-Pre101> Yep, I'm always looking out for you, Rod.
Jan 07 05:02:49 <prototypic> anyone here have free apps in the catalog?
Jan 07 05:02:57 <Roy-Pre101> So, do you think those predictions are over the top, Rod?
Jan 07 05:09:46 <Tibfib> Anyone watching the sprint ces show?
Jan 07 05:09:58 <Tibfib> (or checking updates via engadget)
Jan 07 05:10:52 <prototypic> it's tommorow I thought
Jan 07 05:11:18 <Tibfib> nope right now
Jan 07 05:11:26 <Tibfib> people in the comments are talking about the pre having 4g
Jan 07 05:11:29 <Tibfib> trying to figure it out
Jan 07 05:13:28 <prototypic> your talking about the dev meetup or whatever. the big show is tomorrow
Jan 07 05:13:31 <Roy-Pre101> pfft, I forgot 4G.
Jan 07 05:13:41 <Roy-Pre101> I should throw that into my predictions and look all smart now. :)
Jan 07 05:14:08 <Tibfib> It is their "4g" experience show
Jan 07 05:14:22 <Tibfib> idk if they have another... you are probably right tho
Jan 07 05:14:54 <Tibfib> sounds like the people in the comments were pulling the 4g on pre already out of thin air
Jan 07 05:15:24 <prototypic> neat I have 4g coverage in my area
Jan 07 05:17:27 <renegaid> do you think flash will be announced tomorow
Jan 07 05:17:54 <Roy-Pre101> Read my post:  http://pre101.com/blog/2010/01/07/wednesday-news-roundup-ces-native-apps-2010-predictions-and-more/
Jan 07 05:18:42 <prototypic> is flash on any smart phone?
Jan 07 05:19:27 <prototypic> if not, the first one to get it will make good headlines
Jan 07 05:19:59 <Tibfib> I believe it is coming to droid as well
Jan 07 05:20:03 <Tibfib> not sure on time frames
Jan 07 05:21:15 <Roy-Pre101> prototypic: It's on the Nokia N900, I believe.
Jan 07 05:21:27 <Roy-Pre101> I could be wrong.
Jan 07 05:21:56 <renegaid> flash is on the palm pre
Jan 07 05:22:10 <renegaid> coming to google phone and something else
Jan 07 05:22:18 <prototypic> http://social.cesweb.org/
Jan 07 05:22:21 <renegaid> no iphone support
Jan 07 05:24:47 <prototypic> damn he's right
Jan 07 05:24:49 <prototypic> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demos_fp10.1/popup01.html
Jan 07 05:33:22 <qillerneu> oh great. good bye battery life.
Jan 07 05:34:07 <LoneStar99> thats cool flash is coming to the pre, the more the merrier
Jan 07 05:35:15 <Roy-Pre101> qillerneu: You can always pick up one of the 2600 mAh batteries.
Jan 07 05:35:31 <bpadalino> yeah can't wait for all the flash ads :(
Jan 07 05:36:46 <Roy-Pre101> :D
Jan 07 05:36:56 <Roy-Pre101> We'll need the ad-block plugin.
Jan 07 05:37:22 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, maybe Palm will announce a plugin capability for the browser. :)
Jan 07 05:37:29 <LoneStar99> yeah, it will be a  cluster f_ck of flash, google adsense, and endless other advertisement on a mobile... a walking talking advertisement machine
Jan 07 05:37:42 <LoneStar99> can't wait
Jan 07 05:38:42 <prototypic> Roy-Pre101 I sort of hope not, I want to make the browser alternative :)
Jan 07 05:38:50 <prototypic> with plugin support
Jan 07 05:40:00 <Tibfib> Yeah. I'd like it to be off by default... with a flash logo. when you click the logo, the flash enables
Jan 07 05:40:07 <LoneStar99> adverts in the elevator, bathroom, gas pump, mobiles, websites, television, billboards, t-shirts,  magazines...
Jan 07 05:40:23 <LoneStar99> where will it stop
Jan 07 05:40:27 <prototypic> adverta pay the way for lots of stuff, dont knock them
Jan 07 05:40:39 <prototypic> without ads we wouldn't have newspapers, tv,
Jan 07 05:40:43 <prototypic> the list goes on and on
Jan 07 05:40:55 <LoneStar99> yeah: you are right, they pave the way for more ads
Jan 07 05:40:59 <Tibfib> it doesn't mean we have to like looking at ads
Jan 07 05:41:01 <prototypic> lol
Jan 07 05:41:43 <LoneStar99> oh well, back to the color picker
Jan 07 05:48:47 <Tibfib> oh man...checking out nexus one... If we got webos on a phone like that...best.phone.ever.
Jan 07 05:52:57 <LoneStar99> an aluminum pre would be a killer!
Jan 07 05:53:20 <LoneStar99> unibody pre!
Jan 07 05:55:57 <rwhitby> unibody pre - mmmm
Jan 07 05:57:14 <Tibfib> with snapdragon processor..... :O
Jan 07 05:57:17 <gkatsev> is that even possible?
Jan 07 05:57:24 <gkatsev> unibody pre?
Jan 07 05:57:48 <LoneStar99> i am sure, just like an apple macbook unibody
Jan 07 05:57:55 <gkatsev> i guess you could make both sides from the same piece and have them interlocking.
Jan 07 06:23:42 <JenP> where are the aps installed on our phones?
Jan 07 06:27:21 <LoneStar99> http://uoid.me/picker2
Jan 07 06:40:15 <JenP> gnite all
Jan 07 06:42:48 <LoneStar99> nite
Jan 07 08:24:18 <lemketron> heh, funny stuff (predictions)...  :-)
Jan 07 12:47:44 <atlanta> anyone up
Jan 07 12:47:52 <atlanta> i have to tell someone what just happened
Jan 07 12:47:52 <atlanta> lol
Jan 07 12:48:03 <LoneStar99> yeah up
Jan 07 12:48:08 <LoneStar99> moring
Jan 07 12:48:09 <atlanta> LoneStar99: cool
Jan 07 12:48:12 <atlanta> goodmorning
Jan 07 12:48:19 <atlanta> so my friend text me this morning
Jan 07 12:48:24 <atlanta> these exact words
Jan 07 12:48:49 <atlanta> friend: YO FUCK WITH THE IPHONE
Jan 07 12:48:53 <atlanta> friend:facebook got an update and it SYNCS all the contacts on you fone, so it reconizs the people and adds their picture and facebook profile
Jan 07 12:49:06 <atlanta> he was so happy
Jan 07 12:49:12 <atlanta> until i burst his moment
Jan 07 12:49:19 <atlanta> my response: my phone did that since day 1 lmfao
Jan 07 12:49:23 <atlanta> he was so angry
Jan 07 12:49:24 <atlanta> lmfaooo
Jan 07 12:49:34 <atlanta> that made my morning
Jan 07 12:49:55 <LoneStar99> lol - yeah read about that facebook/ iphone shit yesterday..
Jan 07 12:50:08 <atlanta> PRE WINS
Jan 07 12:51:06 <LoneStar99> to much hype with the iphone in my opinion, just like the nexus one
Jan 07 12:51:35 <atlanta> yup yup
Jan 07 12:51:58 <atlanta> pre doesnt get enough credit IMO
Jan 07 12:52:01 <LoneStar99> just read that at&t is now gonna carry android phones...
Jan 07 12:52:02 <atlanta> its the most open phone
Jan 07 12:52:03 <atlanta> there is
Jan 07 12:52:33 <atlanta> LoneStar99: thank you for letting me share my story this early in the am
Jan 07 12:52:33 <atlanta> lol
Jan 07 12:52:37 <atlanta> brb
Jan 07 12:52:47 <LoneStar99> no problem
Jan 07 13:20:26 <LoneStar99> how do go about closing current scene when button is clikced?
Jan 07 13:23:18 <LoneStar99> found it "Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene();"
Jan 07 13:25:28 <atlanta> there u go
Jan 07 13:25:31 <atlanta> im backl
Jan 07 13:26:15 <LoneStar99> cool
Jan 07 13:26:29 <LoneStar99> where u at?  atl?
Jan 07 13:36:01 <atlanta> ijm here
Jan 07 13:36:05 <atlanta> where u at
Jan 07 13:36:06 <atlanta> ?
Jan 07 13:36:23 <LoneStar99> sorry meant location?
Jan 07 13:36:28 <atlanta> florida
Jan 07 13:36:51 <LoneStar99> oh ok, does it ever get cold in florida?
Jan 07 13:37:18 <atlanta> this week is the coldest week ever
Jan 07 13:37:25 <atlanta> its like 30-40
Jan 07 13:37:30 <atlanta> it never gets this cold in florida
Jan 07 13:37:35 <atlanta> christmas it was like 78
Jan 07 13:37:55 <LoneStar99> wow, suppose to get that cold here in TX today
Jan 07 13:38:07 <LoneStar99> Southern Texas
Jan 07 13:38:28 <atlanta> yea
Jan 07 13:38:30 <atlanta> its cold man
Jan 07 13:38:31 <LoneStar99> do you have experience with cookies?
Jan 07 13:38:32 <atlanta> i hate it
Jan 07 13:38:36 <atlanta> florida has made me love the heat
Jan 07 13:38:41 <atlanta> LoneStar99: mojo cookies
Jan 07 13:38:41 <atlanta> ?
Jan 07 13:38:46 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jan 07 13:38:49 <atlanta> yea
Jan 07 13:38:55 <atlanta>  i use them in 2 of my apps
Jan 07 13:38:57 <atlanta> what u need help wit
Jan 07 13:40:02 <LoneStar99> i want to set a cookie with value "blue dog" and then retreive it in my app...
Jan 07 13:40:44 <atlanta> ok
Jan 07 13:40:49 <atlanta> ill write u up something now
Jan 07 13:40:50 <atlanta> hold on
Jan 07 13:40:58 <LoneStar99> ok thanks
Jan 07 13:41:25 <LoneStar99> "blue dog" will be a dynamic value, but want to test some dumb value first
Jan 07 13:46:12 <atlanta> LoneStar99: http://pastie.org/770080
Jan 07 13:47:18 <atlanta> LoneStar99: understand it
Jan 07 13:47:18 <atlanta> ?
Jan 07 13:49:59 <LoneStar99> seems very straight foward:  "('cookieName'); can be "MyAppName" ??
Jan 07 13:51:50 <atlanta> make it relevant to what the cookie is
Jan 07 13:52:04 <atlanta> because each app has its own cookie box
Jan 07 13:52:16 <haeffb_pre> LoneStar99: yes, jfelectron got the picker to be bigger. works great on a pixi now.
Jan 07 13:52:17 <atlanta> cookie name just has to be the same when u putting it and getting it
Jan 07 13:54:13 <LoneStar99> ok thanks atlanta: testing now'
Jan 07 13:55:09 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre:  thanks got my version bigger also http://uoid.me/picker2
Jan 07 13:56:51 <Bmyers> morn'n folks
Jan 07 13:57:12 <atlanta> LoneStar99: no problem
Jan 07 13:57:13 <LoneStar99> morning
Jan 07 13:57:23 <atlanta> Bmyers: morning
Jan 07 13:57:42 <Bmyers> color pickers for breakfast?
Jan 07 13:58:46 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jan 07 13:59:56 <LoneStar99> green eggs and blue ham, and black juice
Jan 07 14:00:15 <LoneStar99> with a side of red grits
Jan 07 14:02:25 <Bmyers> red grits make me fart too much
Jan 07 14:02:36 <haeffb_pre> atlanta: example doesn't have the cookie name in get()
Jan 07 14:03:07 <LoneStar99> getting an error...
Jan 07 14:03:20 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre: what is missing?
Jan 07 14:04:13 <haeffb_pre> when you do the new cookie in the get section, gotta have the cookie name there just like in set
Jan 07 14:06:09 <Bmyers> haeffe: you every do any ajax/json list stuff?
Jan 07 14:06:41 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre:  Like  "this.savedValueCookie.get('this-blue-cookie');" ?
Jan 07 14:10:43 <haeffb_pre> ajax xml
Jan 07 14:10:57 <haeffb_pre> not json but that should b easier
Jan 07 14:12:13 <haeffb_pre> LoneStar99: no. new.Mojo.Model.Cookie('this-...)m
Jan 07 14:12:31 <haeffb_pre> new Mojo....
Jan 07 14:13:13 <haeffb_pre> that line in the get section should be exactly same as in set section
Jan 07 14:15:17 <LoneStar99> ok
Jan 07 14:17:22 <Deihmos> do you expect games to be announced at ces
Jan 07 14:24:22 <atlanta> Deihmos: maybe more along the lines of the GPU being used
Jan 07 14:29:38 <mdmadph> is there a bug tracker for the webOS platform, i.e. the emulator SDK and associated materials?
Jan 07 14:36:03 <atlanta> mdmadph: forum
Jan 07 14:36:18 <atlanta> bug area there
Jan 07 14:36:36 <atlanta> LoneStar99: works for me
Jan 07 14:36:39 <atlanta> just like
Jan 07 14:37:22 <LoneStar99> atlanta: it works for me too, initially had pasted it in the wrong section
Jan 07 14:37:41 <atlanta> ohhh lalalala
Jan 07 14:39:43 <mdmadph> atlanta: thanks!
Jan 07 14:49:14 <LoneStar99> thanks
Jan 07 14:53:02 <atlanta> mdmadph: no problemo
Jan 07 14:53:09 <atlanta> thats what im here for :-)
Jan 07 14:56:31 <LoneStar99> what about, need help writting a a comic book?  and my thesis?
Jan 07 14:57:49 <gotenks>  i need help writing a timer
Jan 07 14:58:22 <LoneStar99> like a stopwatch?
Jan 07 14:59:05 <gotenks> i have a splash screen, i'd like it to be displayed while things are loading, if it takes less then 5 sec to load i want it to wait till 5 sec to switch to next screen
Jan 07 14:59:30 <gotenks> may make it 3 sec, but somewhere in there
Jan 07 15:03:10 <LoneStar99> you need an actual timer or a "hour glass" type thing...
Jan 07 15:04:43 <gotenks> just something timing in background
Jan 07 15:04:52 <gotenks> i have a loader bar
Jan 07 15:05:05 <haeffb_pre> gotenks: look up setTimeout in javascript
Jan 07 15:05:28 <gotenks> i think i saw that, let me double check
Jan 07 15:06:29 <gotenks>  haeffb_pre i won't need to do this.setTimeout or something like that would I?
Jan 07 15:06:34 <FreeTim> a timer right. You need to start a time Listener which  causes an event after the time runs out
Jan 07 15:07:16 <FreeTim> page 219 in the book shows how to do that - http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596155261
Jan 07 15:08:53 <gotenks> that book sscrewed me up for a while
Jan 07 15:09:02 <gotenks> i'll take a look at it again though XD
Jan 07 15:19:11 <FreeTim> and overall, I imagine you'd need to do the binding in stage-assistant, and your data load there too, and then one scene as the Splash screen, and a second scene after the timer event occurs on the Listener
Jan 07 15:19:53 <FreeTim> that way Splash truly shows while the data load is churning, and then the timer kicks the second (main) scene after the data is available
Jan 07 15:20:51 <FreeTim> You'd need some error checking in case the data doesn't load or is corrupt or whatever
Jan 07 15:22:01 <FreeTim> also don't forget it might be 5 seconds for you, during your isolated testing, but on my Pre it might take longer, so account for that (because I have Calendar, Quake, Doom and many other windows all open and  competing for cpu cycles)
Jan 07 15:44:12 <Bmyers> sugardave: ping
Jan 07 15:44:30 <sugardave> Bmyers: damn, I just typed up a bunch of crap to you in internals
Jan 07 15:44:31 <sugardave> duh
Jan 07 15:44:34 <sugardave> Bmyers: http://webos.pastebin.com/d59e83ebb
Jan 07 15:44:38 <sugardave> this one starts a setInterval after 'start' is called
Jan 07 15:44:43 <sugardave> then you just send whatever progress updates whenever and the next interval handles the 'refresh'
Jan 07 15:44:49 <sugardave> once progress is complete in 'update' or 'complete' the interval gets cleared
Jan 07 15:45:08 <Bmyers> :)
Jan 07 15:45:12 <Bmyers> how's mom?
Jan 07 15:45:20 <atlanta> i swear ajax.request doesnt send all the time
Jan 07 15:45:30 <sugardave> sleeping atm....wine and 420 gets her every time ;)
Jan 07 15:45:37 <atlanta> is there a timeout limit
Jan 07 15:45:44 <Bmyers> sho nuf..
Jan 07 15:46:02 <sugardave> it was fun watching her try to play the drums last night :D
Jan 07 15:46:11 <Bmyers> u play drums?
Jan 07 15:46:12 <sugardave> I think she has rhythm problems
Jan 07 15:46:20 <sugardave> no, on Rock Band...I suck at drums
Jan 07 15:46:26 <Bmyers> o..
Jan 07 15:46:30 <sugardave> I play a little geetar here and there
Jan 07 15:46:41 <Bmyers> i actually play so i have a hard time understanding games like that
Jan 07 15:46:55 <sugardave> drums?
Jan 07 15:46:58 <sugardave> or guitar?
Jan 07 15:47:02 <Bmyers> not drums. guitar and piano and some woodwind
Jan 07 15:47:12 <sugardave> ah, neat...never could make noise on the reeds
Jan 07 15:47:20 <Bmyers> tenor sax...
Jan 07 15:47:23 <sugardave> I used to play cornet then tuba in jr. high/high school
Jan 07 15:47:36 <Bmyers> played tuba too.. noone else would in the band so i did
Jan 07 15:47:48 <sugardave> haha, we had _8_ tuba players in our marching band
Jan 07 15:47:56 <sugardave> one of the biggest corps in TX, I think
Jan 07 15:48:27 <DogWater> Anyone know how difficult it is to make games like the M:Vampire, etc?
Jan 07 15:48:38 <DogWater> it doesn't look like it would be too hard
Jan 07 15:48:56 <sugardave> DogWater: havent' looked like it...I think my biggest problem would be the payment system
Jan 07 15:49:08 <sugardave> how do people handle in-app purchases?
Jan 07 15:49:18 <DogWater> They just send everything to paypal
Jan 07 15:49:37 <LoneStar99> can an app have multiple cookies?
Jan 07 15:49:42 <Bmyers> couldnt do march band. too much walking too early in a.m.
Jan 07 15:49:42 <DogWater> i think their app runs on the web and they just pass it through to web os
Jan 07 15:49:44 <sugardave> LoneStar99: yes
Jan 07 15:49:49 <Bmyers> LSXX: yeah
Jan 07 15:49:55 <LoneStar99> ok cool
Jan 07 15:50:02 <LoneStar99> thanks
Jan 07 15:50:12 <DogWater> I have a few ideas for some games for WebOS but i'm not really an expert developer
Jan 07 15:50:16 <LoneStar99> what about 1,000,000 cookies
Jan 07 15:50:31 <Bmyers> Dogwater: Talk to Rick_work.. he likes those..
Jan 07 15:50:37 <sugardave> "just send it to PayPal" sounds so easy....I doubt it, though :D
Jan 07 15:51:17 * sugardave has never messed with PayPal before.  "Not sure how difficult it is to use their API."
Jan 07 15:51:21 <DogWater> i think what I might do is develop the games as 'web games' and then just build the webos front-end
Jan 07 15:51:36 <haeffb_pre> LoneStar99: eventually you'll run out of storage space
Jan 07 15:51:39 <DogWater> sugardave: it's not hard, it can be as easy or as hard as you want, you can even just send them HTTP post variables.
Jan 07 15:51:49 <LoneStar99> sugardave: the PayPal API is not to difficult to mess with
Jan 07 15:52:00 <sugardave> awesome
Jan 07 15:52:07 <Bmyers> sugardave: nice..
Jan 07 15:52:22 <sugardave> Bmyers: it's working?
Jan 07 15:52:23 <Bmyers> you see it as more useful than b4?
Jan 07 15:52:29 <Bmyers> seems to
Jan 07 15:52:38 <haeffb_pre> LoneStar99: do you know you can store a javascript object in one cookie?
Jan 07 15:52:54 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre: nope
Jan 07 15:52:55 <sugardave> Bmyers: 6 of one....depends on what process you're using to gauge progress I guess....that one would be good for Ajax stuff and the huge data pulls
Jan 07 15:53:04 <DogWater> anyway, if anyone wants to maybe work with me on some games i'd be interested
Jan 07 15:53:06 <LoneStar99> just learned cookies today
Jan 07 15:53:17 <DogWater> I have an infinite amount of hardware and bandwidth to run them on
Jan 07 15:53:22 <DogWater> =)
Jan 07 15:53:26 <Bmyers> it would work just as well for short duartions..
Jan 07 15:53:28 <haeffb_pre> like blah = {val1: 1, val2: 2}
Jan 07 15:53:58 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre: that is all?
Jan 07 15:54:31 <Bmyers> it wont flood the modelChanged now and wont leave u hanging with long data runs
Jan 07 15:55:18 <sugardave> regardless, that's how you do it :D
Jan 07 15:55:43 <DogWater> are there any good webos editors available yet?
Jan 07 15:55:45 <sugardave> and now hopefully it won't barf on jslint
Jan 07 15:56:00 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre: "fish =  {val1: 'big fish', val2: 'red fish', val3: 'shark', val4: 'dead fish'}"
Jan 07 15:56:06 <sugardave> DogWater: I use Komod Edit (free) and Templarian's Mojo extension for it
Jan 07 15:56:10 <sugardave> works very well
Jan 07 15:56:15 <sugardave> webos.templarian.org
Jan 07 15:56:42 <Bmyers> i had basically what u did. just could seem to get the settimeout right so it had the right this and scene refs..
Jan 07 15:56:45 <DogWater> would be neat if there was an editor that let you write code once and then it converted it into all of the different mobile platforms. (puts that on his to-do list)
Jan 07 15:56:59 <sugardave> DogWater: phonegap
Jan 07 15:57:06 <LoneStar99> DogWater: eclipse is not bad once u get the hang of it
Jan 07 15:57:40 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: you can store an actual object in a cookie?  not just stringified?
Jan 07 15:57:56 <sugardave> oh
Jan 07 15:57:58 <sugardave> of course you can
Jan 07 15:58:03 <sugardave> nevermind
Jan 07 15:58:22 <LoneStar99> atlanta: gonna post your cookie code to WebOS101
Jan 07 15:58:55 <sugardave> Bmyers: at one point when I was playing with 'apply' I had the wrong this, so all the inner func code I was having to change to this.get_model() and it was really ugly
Jan 07 15:59:16 <sugardave> that's why I used definition.func.apply(dewfinition, arguments)
Jan 07 15:59:18 <sugardave> works great
Jan 07 15:59:21 <DogWater> so is the webos book pretty good?
Jan 07 15:59:32 <DogWater> I may go to B&N and buy it
Jan 07 15:59:37 <sugardave> DogWater: meh
Jan 07 15:59:47 <sugardave> you mean the o'reilly book?
Jan 07 16:00:06 <sugardave> not sure what the final release is like, but I was kinda unimpressed
Jan 07 16:00:23 <sugardave> I learned more from hanging in here, #webos-internals, and looking through source code
Jan 07 16:01:00 <atlanta> kkk
Jan 07 16:01:08 <atlanta> ill expand on it there
Jan 07 16:02:15 <LoneStar99> atlanta:  what should the title be?
Jan 07 16:02:33 <sugardave> Bmyers: what I might do is re-write it for the wiki to do either automatic interval updates or manual updates via code
Jan 07 16:02:41 <LoneStar99> "How to Set and Retreive Cookies?"
Jan 07 16:02:47 <FreeTim> DogWater - get the PDF it's much better than the hardcopy (searchable for example)
Jan 07 16:03:04 <FreeTim>  http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596155261   if that helps any - no, Idon't work for Palm or the book co :)
Jan 07 16:03:10 <sugardave> LoneStar99: make it an 'example' section of the Cookie article
Jan 07 16:03:12 <atlanta> LoneStar99: http://webos101.com/Mojo.Cookie
Jan 07 16:03:23 <atlanta> and ummm lets see Mojo Cookies
Jan 07 16:03:23 <FreeTim> I mean otherwise no difference, but having the e-book is good IMHO
Jan 07 16:03:25 <atlanta> and just put set
Jan 07 16:03:27 <atlanta> and get
Jan 07 16:03:46 <atlanta> then ill add object examples
Jan 07 16:05:31 <Bmyers> sugardave: i pasted that into what i am working on and got this:
Jan 07 16:05:32 <Bmyers> Warning: Cannot use the global setInterval function from a hidden window. Use window.setInterval from a visible window.
Jan 07 16:05:44 <haeffb_pre> LoneStar99: yes to your fish example. then just put/get fish
Jan 07 16:06:46 <haeffb_pre> Bmyers: why you hiding windows? something you don't want the neighbors to see?
Jan 07 16:06:47 <sugardave> Bmyers: uh-oh...that's probably a result of multi-staginess
Jan 07 16:07:25 <Templarian> sugardave: my server is down everything is being moved.
Jan 07 16:07:33 <sugardave> so, you might have to something like this (uno momento)
Jan 07 16:07:40 <sugardave> Templarian: ah, ooops :D
Jan 07 16:08:13 <sugardave> timerId = Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController.activeScene().setInterval(blah);
Jan 07 16:08:18 <sugardave> Bmyers:  ^^^^^^
Jan 07 16:08:24 <sugardave> see if  that helps
Jan 07 16:08:41 <sugardave> timerId = Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().activeScene().setInterval(blah);
Jan 07 16:08:45 <Templarian> My old host killed my site due to me running to many mini sites or something, either way I'll have everything up shortly, moved the db over yesterday. Whoever asked the site will be up tomorrow probably really busy at work atm.
Jan 07 16:08:52 <Bmyers> k
Jan 07 16:09:21 <sugardave> DogWater: Templarian's site is currently unavailable, to be up soon
Jan 07 16:09:27 <Templarian> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Komodo_WebOS_Add-on_Install
Jan 07 16:09:33 <sugardave> ah, coolio
Jan 07 16:09:48 <Templarian> (no file but he can look at it hehe)
Jan 07 16:09:53 <atlanta> ut oh some hasnt paid there bill
Jan 07 16:10:09 <DogWater> if anyone working on webos needs hosting let me know
Jan 07 16:10:16 <DogWater> i'm @ a dedi host
Jan 07 16:10:21 <Templarian> atlanta: no 1and1 needs to die as a host.
Jan 07 16:10:33 <sugardave> Templarian: bluehost is good
Jan 07 16:10:41 <sugardave> got lots of domains on them
Jan 07 16:10:47 <Templarian> I got a good host this time around more $$, but worth it.
Jan 07 16:10:51 <atlanta> Templarian: oh i cant believe u even thought about using them
Jan 07 16:10:59 <atlanta> i have  a hosting company
Jan 07 16:11:02 <Templarian> atlanta: I've had them for 5 years.
Jan 07 16:11:03 <atlanta> oh nevermind u found one
Jan 07 16:11:13 <Templarian> I use webfaction.com now.
Jan 07 16:11:25 <Templarian> f'ing awesome host. Very organized.
Jan 07 16:11:39 <atlanta> cool c ool
Jan 07 16:11:45 <atlanta> iight if that fails u just let me know
Jan 07 16:12:18 <atlanta> everyone oversales these days so blah
Jan 07 16:12:35 <atlanta> web hostings needs to go in some kind of new direction
Jan 07 16:12:52 <Templarian> atlanta: actually it's the only host with a perfect record that I know of.
Jan 07 16:13:14 <DogWater> atlanta: ah, I work for a dedicated/vps host
Jan 07 16:13:17 <LoneStar99> atlanta: http://webos101.com/Mojo.Cookie
Jan 07 16:13:29 <sugardave> DogWater: vps?  how much?
Jan 07 16:14:02 <LoneStar99> sugardave: FreeBSD VPS for $19.95
Jan 07 16:14:14 <DogWater> paying for a vps?
Jan 07 16:14:16 <DogWater> cmonnnnn
Jan 07 16:14:23 <LoneStar99> @ rootbsd.net
Jan 07 16:14:56 <atlanta> Templarian: cool cool
Jan 07 16:15:08 <LoneStar99> http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
Jan 07 16:15:12 <Templarian> For 8.50 a month it's shared but it allows application to listen to ports which could come in useful later on.
Jan 07 16:15:26 <DogWater> ah i get mine for free =d
Jan 07 16:15:35 <Templarian> I would hope so.
Jan 07 16:15:48 <Bmyers> sugardave: Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController.activeScene().setInterval(function(){this.func('refresh')}.bind(this), 5000);
Jan 07 16:15:51 <DogWater> but i don't have any VPS, I have a few octo core dedis
Jan 07 16:16:19 <sugardave> Bmyers: my second one was correct...need .getActiveStageController()  (parentheses)
Jan 07 16:17:00 <sugardave> Bmyers: not guaranteed to work, but that should give a non-hidden window, I think
Jan 07 16:17:01 <Bmyers> didnt catch that one
Jan 07 16:17:07 <Bmyers> k
Jan 07 16:18:25 <Bmyers> timerId = Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().activeScene().setInterval(function(){this.func('refresh')}.bind(this), 5000);
Jan 07 16:18:39 <Bmyers> pukes.. just stops.
Jan 07 16:18:42 <hucksy> is there a liveblog for the CES palm presentation?
Jan 07 16:19:19 <ambackstrom> hucksy: http://www.everythingpre.com/live/
Jan 07 16:19:33 <Templarian> hucksy: engadgets is live also for all the conferences.
Jan 07 16:19:55 <hucksy> thanks!
Jan 07 16:21:26 <sugardave> Bmyers: okay, somebody expert in setInterval/setTimeout is going to have to step in on this one
Jan 07 16:21:38 <Shiggity> Is it still too late to buy stock ;)
Jan 07 16:21:51 <sugardave> you might be able to squeeze a .window in there between .activeScene() and .setInterval
Jan 07 16:22:12 <UZHans> anyone working on incorporating a phpBB into an app?
Jan 07 16:22:31 <sugardave> Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().activeScene().window.setInterval(blah blah);
Jan 07 16:23:00 <sugardave> but I can't remember if 'window' is the scene or the stage assistant
Jan 07 16:25:52 <Bmyers> that started it BUT NOW IT WONT STOP.. :)
Jan 07 16:26:59 <sugardave> haha
Jan 07 16:27:12 <Bmyers> lol
Jan 07 16:27:18 <sugardave> then you might need to modify it to use a global var instead for the timerId
Jan 07 16:27:29 <sugardave> take out the 'var' and you should be able to kill it
Jan 07 16:27:36 <Bmyers> i'm check timerid now to see if its still there
Jan 07 16:28:14 <sugardave> now, it WILL keep running until progress hits 1
Jan 07 16:28:19 <Bmyers> yeah. timerid gets whacked somewhere. its MT om complete
Jan 07 16:28:26 <sugardave> lamen
Jan 07 16:28:27 <sugardave> ess
Jan 07 16:28:37 <sugardave> try it as a global
Jan 07 16:28:48 <Bmyers> k
Jan 07 16:29:24 <Bmyers> without var, no go
Jan 07 16:29:32 <Bmyers> still lost timerid
Jan 07 16:29:36 <haeffb_pre> this.timerid ?
Jan 07 16:29:48 <haeffb_pre> you don't want to use globals
Jan 07 16:29:51 <Bmyers> make a global timerid var you mean?
Jan 07 16:30:10 <Bmyers> or change the update ?
Jan 07 16:30:37 <haeffb_pre> make timerid a property of thw widget.
Jan 07 16:30:42 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre:  saving as a javascript object in mojo.cookie, do all values have to be saved at the same time?
Jan 07 16:31:20 <haeffb_pre> yes. I just updated your webos101 page
Jan 07 16:32:09 <haeffb_pre> you have to update cookie all or nothing. can't pick & choose individual properties
Jan 07 16:32:53 <sugardave> Bmyers: with timerId as a property of the widget: http://webos.pastebin.com/d59ed5f1d
Jan 07 16:33:09 <sugardave> still need to change the setInterval to the new way
Jan 07 16:33:30 <Bmyers> gotcha
Jan 07 16:33:44 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre:  to pick and choose properties, would a sqlite solution be a better choice?
Jan 07 16:35:44 <sugardave> LoneStar99: or depot
Jan 07 16:36:24 <sugardave> LoneStar99: but, if you just keep an object around that loads the cookie values on start, then you change individual properties in that object, then write the whole thing to a cookie
Jan 07 16:36:28 <sugardave> it's not that bad
Jan 07 16:36:34 <sugardave> I call mine doughBlob
Jan 07 16:36:57 <sugardave> mmmm, biscuit time
Jan 07 16:37:03 <Bmyers> sugardave: would clear timeout need the same syntax? the timerid survives but doesnt seem to clear
Jan 07 16:38:18 <haeffb_pre> LoneStar99: why would you need to pick & choose?
Jan 07 16:39:08 <Bmyers> sugardave: cleartimeout needs same syntax..
Jan 07 16:39:37 <LoneStar99> haeffb:  saving user setting: from different scenes... and at different times
Jan 07 16:39:45 <haeffb_pre> like sd says, I save an App.prefs global. then you can change individual properties of that object, but put/get the whole object each time
Jan 07 16:40:30 <haeffb_pre> this.cookie.put(App.prefs)m
Jan 07 16:41:09 <haeffb_pre> App.prefs=this.cookie.get();
Jan 07 16:41:24 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre: not sure what i will do,  just planning ahead, probably get to it by the weekend..  gonna try an get faded tonight for UT/Bama game
Jan 07 16:41:55 <haeffb_pre> you can even save the cookie reference as a global.
Jan 07 16:42:11 <DogWater> what kind of apps are you guys working on
Jan 07 16:42:40 <haeffb_pre> App.cookie = new Mojo.Model.Cookie('mycookie');
Jan 07 16:43:27 <LoneStar99> search apps
Jan 07 16:45:21 <LoneStar99> sugardave: you eating a blue or yellow biscuit today?
Jan 07 16:46:17 <yetdog> anyone care to lend a hand on a (probably) simple CSS question?
Jan 07 16:46:57 <LoneStar99> yetdog: az up?
Jan 07 16:47:00 <LoneStar99> was
Jan 07 16:47:23 <yetdog> well in body.palm-default, i've set my background image to use throughout my app
Jan 07 16:47:26 <yetdog> works well
Jan 07 16:47:39 <yetdog> but on my very first scene, which serves as kind of a splash/jumping off point, i dont want the image back there
Jan 07 16:47:50 <yetdog> but im not sure how to override it in my scene HTML
Jan 07 16:49:03 <LoneStar99> use the following:
Jan 07 16:49:03 <DogWater> when is the PALM ces announcement
Jan 07 16:49:19 <doohan> 2 hours and 10 minutes
Jan 07 16:49:23 <doohan> I think.
Jan 07 16:49:26 <DogWater> ah i thought it was tommorow
Jan 07 16:49:37 <DogWater> last time they did it the stock was at $1 and I owned a bunch
Jan 07 16:49:38 <LoneStar99> #mojo-scene-first-scene-scroller {
Jan 07 16:49:38 <LoneStar99> background: url(../images/grd1.png) 0px 0px repeat-x;}
Jan 07 16:49:44 <DogWater> that was a good year
Jan 07 16:49:48 <doohan> haha I bet
Jan 07 16:49:55 <doohan> It's about $11 something just now
Jan 07 16:49:59 <doohan> I think...
Jan 07 16:50:07 <DogWater> yeah it almost hit 9 a few days ago, should've known to get some more
Jan 07 16:50:11 <yetdog> throw that in the actual HTML, right? not the CSS file
Jan 07 16:50:16 <LoneStar99> css
Jan 07 16:50:58 <doohan> DogWater, I'm hoping they offer some sort of native sdk
Jan 07 16:51:01 <sugardave> Bmyers: you need to use clearInterval for a setInterval and clearTimeout for setTimeout
Jan 07 16:51:22 <doohan> Javascript and canvas are too slow for the games I want to make.
Jan 07 16:51:22 <DogWater> doohan: would be cool, I want to develop a few games I have kicking around in my head but i don't really know where to start
Jan 07 16:51:24 <yetdog> image still shows up...
Jan 07 16:51:50 <LoneStar99> #mojo-scene-second-scene-scroller {}    #mojo-scene-splash-scene-scroller {}
Jan 07 16:51:59 <sugardave> I bought into Palm at 13.50 this time :(
Jan 07 16:52:02 <sugardave> bad move
Jan 07 16:52:06 <DogWater> i sold mine at $16
Jan 07 16:52:11 <sugardave> but I'm DRIPping it right now
Jan 07 16:52:14 <DogWater> felt like i was getting greedy
Jan 07 16:52:18 <LoneStar99> i bought palm at $8.80
Jan 07 16:52:19 <sugardave> so dollar cost averagin will save my ass
Jan 07 16:52:26 <yetdog> hrm..
Jan 07 16:52:27 <doohan> I mean the mojo stuff seems decent enough for apps and things.
Jan 07 16:52:29 <doohan> Just not really games.
Jan 07 16:52:42 <DogWater> LoneStar99: I got it anywhere from $2 - $6
Jan 07 16:52:47 <sugardave> doohan: Quake runs now...just a matter of time
Jan 07 16:52:48 <LoneStar99> yetdog:  how many scenes do you have?
Jan 07 16:52:56 <doohan> sugardave, yeah the hardware is capable :)
Jan 07 16:53:06 <yetdog> LoneStar99: 13
Jan 07 16:53:06 <doohan> Just need to loose the javascript in the official sdk
Jan 07 16:53:07 <LoneStar99> DogWater: Nice
Jan 07 16:53:07 <DogWater> ah, the games I wanna make aren't really graphically intensive
Jan 07 16:53:13 <yetdog> just need to do it on my "firsT" scene tho
Jan 07 16:53:22 <doohan> I just want to make some sprite based games
Jan 07 16:53:22 <yetdog> so i empty bracketed it in CSS
Jan 07 16:53:32 <doohan> But not at 20fps...
Jan 07 16:53:33 <yetdog> #mojo-scene-first-scene-scroller {}
Jan 07 16:53:37 <yetdog> but bg image still shows
Jan 07 16:53:46 <LoneStar99> yetdog: you want all 13 with the same background? except for 1?
Jan 07 16:53:50 <sugardave> yetdog: is your scene named 'first'?
Jan 07 16:53:51 <yetdog> correct LoneStar99
Jan 07 16:53:52 <yetdog> yes
Jan 07 16:53:59 <yetdog> want every scene but "first
Jan 07 16:54:01 <yetdog>  with the bg
Jan 07 16:54:23 <yetdog> setting bg w/in body.palm-default in CSS
Jan 07 16:54:35 <sugardave> then I'd do 12 #mojo-scene-[name]-scene-scroller with the one graphic and one more for the 13th
Jan 07 16:54:50 <sugardave> and screw body.palm-default
Jan 07 16:55:05 <yetdog> :)
Jan 07 16:55:06 <sugardave> but I'm a large tool kinda guy
Jan 07 16:55:23 <LoneStar99> yetdog: exactly get rid of "body.palm-default:"
Jan 07 16:55:31 <yetdog> ah, i see :)
Jan 07 16:56:47 <yetdog> thanks gang! that works :)
Jan 07 16:56:52 <sugardave> awesome
Jan 07 16:57:00 <JenP_Away> hi all
Jan 07 16:57:02 <LoneStar99> right on
Jan 07 16:57:05 <sugardave> hi JenP
Jan 07 16:57:14 <LoneStar99> Hola PJen
Jan 07 16:57:16 <yetdog> nearing v2 of my app submission. if anyone wants a complimentary copy (normally $.99) just let me know! appreciate your help for sure
Jan 07 16:58:07 <DogWater> if you wanted to make a simple game for webos would you build it as a web app and then just make it available in web os or build it directly for web os?
Jan 07 16:58:08 <atlanta> yetdog: what kind of app is it
Jan 07 16:58:09 <atlanta> ?
Jan 07 16:58:31 <atlanta> DogWater: directly for webos
Jan 07 16:58:34 <Bmyers> sugardave: Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().activeScene().window.clearInterval(this.timerId);
Jan 07 16:58:49 <dangerskew123> yetdog: depends on what the app as
Jan 07 16:59:04 <yetdog> its a companion app for my website, antsmarching.org
Jan 07 16:59:14 <sugardave> Bmyers: seems like that should be right
Jan 07 16:59:15 <yetdog> helps to have a (free) membership for stats, adding/editing shows, reviews, etc
Jan 07 16:59:25 <sugardave> oh
Jan 07 16:59:26 <sugardave> wait
Jan 07 16:59:27 <sugardave> no
Jan 07 16:59:27 <yetdog> but even if you dont, you can browse the tour archive, look up setlists, view pictures from the shows
Jan 07 16:59:31 <Bmyers> it is
Jan 07 16:59:35 <sugardave> just clearInterval(this.timerId)
Jan 07 16:59:42 <sugardave> should work
Jan 07 16:59:49 <Bmyers> it didnt
Jan 07 16:59:52 <yetdog> i understand if you aren't fans of DMB. just thought id put it out there :)
Jan 07 16:59:55 <sugardave> huh, weird
Jan 07 17:00:14 <sugardave> Bmyers: but you got it working now?
Jan 07 17:00:25 <Bmyers> why would u not have to use the same syntax to clear it that u used to set it?
Jan 07 17:00:33 <Bmyers> yeah seems to be working.
Jan 07 17:00:54 <sugardave> Bmyers: lack of knowledge on my part...makes sense that you'd have to reference the same window to do the clear
Jan 07 17:01:15 <Bmyers> actually, that is the key piece i was missing
Jan 07 17:01:34 <Bmyers> referencing the right window in the right context
Jan 07 17:01:48 <sugardave> DogWater: just make it a regular webOS app UNLESS you want to do a cross-platform game...then might need to be a web app depending on what it is
Jan 07 17:02:21 <Bmyers> sugardave: i appreciate your helping out there.. thanks!
Jan 07 17:02:33 <JenP> is it possible to let the user put input into a dialog popup?
Jan 07 17:02:35 <sugardave> Bmyers: np, I got to learn things, too :D
Jan 07 17:02:50 <Bmyers> learned that moms' a lightweight...
Jan 07 17:03:02 <sugardave> hehe
Jan 07 17:03:03 <sugardave> yeah
Jan 07 17:03:15 <yetdog> palm CES is 11 central?
Jan 07 17:03:18 <yetdog> 9 or 10am PST?
Jan 07 17:03:23 <sugardave> she's only been retired for 11 months, I'll get her to the next category eventually
Jan 07 17:03:36 <sugardave> if it's 11 central, that's 9 pacific
Jan 07 17:03:42 <yetdog> so its starting NOW? :)
Jan 07 17:03:46 <Bmyers> yeah really. gotta step up your game if you're retired.
Jan 07 17:03:51 <sugardave> Bmyers: hehe
Jan 07 17:04:06 <Bmyers> you can sleep in the next morn'n
Jan 07 17:04:29 <sugardave> we're all gearing up to watch the national championship game tonight
Jan 07 17:04:32 <sugardave> hook 'em!
Jan 07 17:05:14 <Bmyers> sugardave: PM email addy
Jan 07 17:06:18 <yetdog> ah 11am pst
Jan 07 17:06:25 <doohan> 2 hours folks
Jan 07 17:06:53 <LoneStar99> will be gearing up for some Shots tonight!
Jan 07 17:07:07 <LoneStar99> doohan: what is 2 hours?
Jan 07 17:07:11 <sugardave> CES
Jan 07 17:07:18 <sugardave> wish I could have gone
Jan 07 17:07:32 <yetdog> weird - my pres battery will drain quickly sometimes. if i ssh in, i see my load avg sky high, but not sure why, giving that that CPU is mostly idle
Jan 07 17:07:33 <sugardave> holding out hope that Rick will score us some dev phones ;)
Jan 07 17:07:59 <yetdog> id like another touchtone for work but they are OUTRAGEOUSLY priced :(
Jan 07 17:08:03 <yetdog> wish we had the hookup for those
Jan 07 17:08:10 <sugardave> yetdog: I JUST got my touchstone kit yesterday
Jan 07 17:08:13 <sugardave> like it a lot
Jan 07 17:08:17 <yetdog> yeah i love mine
Jan 07 17:08:19 <yetdog> at home
Jan 07 17:08:22 <hemna> agreed
Jan 07 17:08:35 <yetdog> if they were cheap id put one in my car too
Jan 07 17:08:37 <LoneStar99> what time is the dame?>
Jan 07 17:08:43 <LoneStar99> game
Jan 07 17:08:43 <yetdog> but what, like $50 for just the base?
Jan 07 17:08:50 <sugardave> LoneStar99: around 7 PM central
Jan 07 17:08:54 <LoneStar99> k thanks
Jan 07 17:09:07 <sugardave> yetdog: well, the kit with base and back is on Amazon for $45
Jan 07 17:09:32 <sugardave> I'd need a new base, wall thingie and usb cable
Jan 07 17:09:42 <sugardave> but I don't go into the office enough to justify it
Jan 07 17:10:29 <yetdog> obv i only need one back :/
Jan 07 17:10:34 <sugardave> yeah
Jan 07 17:10:51 <sugardave> I'm keeping my old back and going to see if some point I can do that macro lens hack on it
Jan 07 17:10:52 <yetdog> i shaved the end of my wall micro usb charger so it would fit in the touchtone :)
Jan 07 17:10:57 <sugardave> hehe
Jan 07 17:11:06 <yetdog> needs to be wall plug tho, usb doesnt push enough
Jan 07 17:11:18 <haeffb_pre> jenP: yes it is possible
Jan 07 17:11:40 <JenP> haeffb!
Jan 07 17:11:57 <JenP> i'm trying to finish the date dialog
Jan 07 17:13:58 <haeffb_pre> I will be home in 30min. can help then.
Jan 07 17:14:08 <JenP> awesome!
Jan 07 17:17:06 <Bmyers> hi jenp
Jan 07 17:17:22 <JenP> hi Bmyers!
Jan 07 17:17:42 <Bmyers> busy b4 the deadline?
Jan 07 17:18:26 <JenP> yeah i have 2 things i want to finish up
Jan 07 17:18:42 <JenP> you?
Jan 07 17:19:28 <Bmyers> me 2
Jan 07 17:19:46 <JenP> smiles...new app?
Jan 07 17:19:56 <Bmyers> yes
Jan 07 17:20:07 <JenP> oh too cool!
Jan 07 17:20:07 <Bmyers> guyrules
Jan 07 17:20:24 <JenP> guyrules....?
Jan 07 17:20:33 <Bmyers> i doubt i can finish in time. but i will try
Jan 07 17:20:41 <Bmyers> yes, guyrules..
Jan 07 17:20:44 <JenP> smiles...i know th feeling
Jan 07 17:21:16 <JenP> i need focus on the new app but i only want to work on the one that's already published
Jan 07 17:22:33 <sugardave> has anybody seen or know anyone who is working on a GameFly queue management app?
Jan 07 17:22:58 <JenP> no
Jan 07 17:23:37 <sugardave> I emailed them the other day after seeing their giant "Our New iPhone App" banners all over the place
Jan 07 17:23:53 <sugardave> but, of course, haven't heard from anyone past the "I'll send it a long"
Jan 07 17:29:49 <LoneStar99> how do I have javascript: choose any file name which starts with "img" but regardless of "jpg,gif" extension?
Jan 07 17:30:09 <LoneStar99> it has to be done dynamically
Jan 07 17:30:30 <sugardave> sounds like a regular epxression to me
Jan 07 17:30:59 <sugardave> /img.*[jpg|gif]/
Jan 07 17:31:03 <sugardave> something like that
Jan 07 17:33:19 <Mehdi_> Is there any way to hackout the 'pin' input?
Jan 07 17:33:38 <Mehdi_> It is very annoying that i have to enter a pin to use my phone, if I want to use Exchange
Jan 07 17:33:41 <sugardave> put your phone in developer mode? :D
Jan 07 17:33:49 <sugardave> and turn it off
Jan 07 17:34:03 <Mehdi_> that won't do it though
Jan 07 17:34:10 <Mehdi_> it would still ask me for a pin, I'm pretty sure
Jan 07 17:34:13 <sugardave> something does it, my PIN is gone now
Jan 07 17:34:19 <sugardave> I think....
Jan 07 17:34:24 <Mehdi_> I doubt that man
Jan 07 17:35:32 <sugardave> Mehdi_: okay, maybe it's because it's on a touchstone?  but, I just "unlocked" my phone for the first time since I went to bed last night and there's no PIN screen
Jan 07 17:35:56 <Mehdi_> do you use Exchange?
Jan 07 17:36:00 <sugardave> no
Jan 07 17:36:03 <Mehdi_> ....
Jan 07 17:36:08 <Mehdi_> that's the point bro
Jan 07 17:36:17 <Mehdi_> Exchange neforces the Pre to use pins
Jan 07 17:36:25 <sugardave> oh, I see....sucks for you, then :P
Jan 07 17:42:10 <DogWater> hmm, i use exchange on my pre and it never asks me for a pin
Jan 07 17:42:34 <destinal> Mehdi_: #webos-internals
Jan 07 17:42:51 <Mehdi_> thx
Jan 07 17:49:16 <haeffb> back
Jan 07 17:52:09 * sugardave hides the haeffb-eliminator 9000 he's been working on.
Jan 07 17:52:28 <bryanroth> hazaa
Jan 07 17:52:55 <sugardave> can't log in to developer.palm.com and look at 'being reviewed'
Jan 07 17:52:56 <sugardave> now I'm sad
Jan 07 17:53:08 <bryanroth> sugardave: lol
Jan 07 17:53:15 <bryanroth> sugardave: I know how you feel ;)
Jan 07 17:57:08 <chuqui> sugardave: phht
Jan 07 17:57:24 <Deihmos> can u see palm ces address video?
Jan 07 17:57:27 <sugardave> man, ALL the palm URLs are gone
Jan 07 17:57:33 <Deihmos> is there any site streaming it
Jan 07 17:57:40 <haeffb> nice. Support request email:  How do I delete this application frpm my phone?
Jan 07 17:57:42 <bryanroth> Deihmos: I'm wondering the same thing.
Jan 07 17:57:53 <yetdog> o nice. redesign coming :)
Jan 07 17:58:08 <haeffb> You can't. You must use it forever.
Jan 07 17:58:47 <Tibfib> Looks like native apps are semi-confirmed... developer.palm.com is down... Woot!
Jan 07 17:58:55 <sugardave> haeffb: tell them the uninstall application is $99 and you have to send it to them on a CD
Jan 07 17:59:27 <DogWater> how come engadget doesn't have anything about the palm ces event
Jan 07 17:59:40 <sugardave> chuqui: I'm eagerly awaiting what will be there soon
Jan 07 17:59:45 <Tibfib> go to precentral.net
Jan 07 17:59:45 <yetdog> iphone lovers, DogWater
Jan 07 18:00:33 <DogWater> ah
Jan 07 18:00:38 <chuqui> sugardave: so am I
Jan 07 18:00:47 <chuqui> I wonder what we're announcing?
Jan 07 18:00:57 <sugardave> like you don't know :P
Jan 07 18:01:11 <Tibfib> chuq: haha, do you have any guesses?
Jan 07 18:01:20 <chuqui> they don't tell me anything. I tend to blab.
Jan 07 18:01:30 <bryanroth> chuqui: riiiiight...
Jan 07 18:01:34 <DogWater> I think Palm should make webos for other devices like netbooks and tablets
Jan 07 18:01:54 <sugardave> chuqui = Sgt. Schultz
Jan 07 18:01:55 <Tibfib> haha
Jan 07 18:02:15 <yetdog> i definitely can understand palm wanting to control the experience, ala apple, but webos is so extendable i wouldnt mind seeing it offered to other, non-palm devices
Jan 07 18:02:22 <yetdog> that would be a cool announce
Jan 07 18:02:24 <chuqui> I know nothing....
Jan 07 18:02:38 <sugardave> yetdog: I believe that we will see more devices with webOS....I hope so, anyway
Jan 07 18:02:42 <sugardave> will be super-cool
Jan 07 18:03:08 <yetdog> i know theres rumblings about the pre's build quality, etc. but i, coming from iphone, am very happy with my device
Jan 07 18:03:24 <yetdog> just wish the screen was super responsive like the iphones :)
Jan 07 18:03:38 <DogWater> yea, I don't like it when it turns off when I slide the keyboard and the fact that the screen is really easy to scratch
Jan 07 18:03:49 <bryanroth> DogWater: yep, same here
Jan 07 18:03:56 <DogWater> and there have been random bluetooth issues ever since the latest major update 1.3.5
Jan 07 18:04:01 <Tibfib> Get an invsibleshield....
Jan 07 18:04:11 <Tibfib> That's how you protect your devices
Jan 07 18:04:11 <DogWater> although i can't complain too much because originally bluetooth didn't work at all with my honda
Jan 07 18:04:29 <yetdog> invisibleshield sure does protect it, but if you put the phone in your pocket regularly, expect dust to get under there
Jan 07 18:04:33 <DogWater> or they could just make the screen not scratch as easily
Jan 07 18:04:36 <yetdog> on the corners. annoying
Jan 07 18:04:39 <DogWater> like my instict didn't
Jan 07 18:04:43 <DogWater> err instinct
Jan 07 18:04:45 <DogWater> and my centro
Jan 07 18:05:02 <Tibfib> DogWater: Hah, that's funny. My instinct scratched up more than my pre
Jan 07 18:05:04 <Deihmos> http://www.livestream.com/crunchgear
Jan 07 18:05:33 <Deihmos> i i wonder if they would show the palm keynote
Jan 07 18:05:43 <Tibfib> check precentral.net
Jan 07 18:05:45 <DogWater> my original pre had an issue in the upper right hand corner that looked like it was separating from the side of the phone
Jan 07 18:06:06 <DogWater> and i also hate the door on the charger
Jan 07 18:06:19 <DogWater> tried really hard and kept it for about 2 months and then i lost it
Jan 07 18:06:35 <catalystmediastu> Tibfib: Will precentral.net be covering the keynote live?
Jan 07 18:06:40 <DogWater> oh, and how bright the screen is when its charging on the touchstone, thats annoying too
Jan 07 18:06:59 <Deihmos> imo the pre is the best phone on sprint
Jan 07 18:07:04 <Tibfib> catalyst: it looks like it.... They have a article on the website
Jan 07 18:07:08 <Deihmos> i cannot think of another phone i would want to use
Jan 07 18:07:11 <Tibfib> http://www.precentral.net/live-palms-ces-2010-event
Jan 07 18:07:18 <Deihmos> the hero has no keys and blackberry is dated
Jan 07 18:07:48 <Deihmos> i want to see video. i hope that site shows it
Jan 07 18:08:13 <DogWater> yes, the pre is the best phone on sprint
Jan 07 18:08:24 <Tibfib> I really like the nexus one... but android just isn't that impressive... webOS on Nexus One = Major WIN
Jan 07 18:08:32 <yetdog> dunno how many NFL fans are here but my GOD NFL Mobile live is incredible
Jan 07 18:08:47 <yetdog> that alone wouldmake me wanna stay w/ sprint over verizon, all else being equal
Jan 07 18:08:50 <sugardave> yetdog: I got to watch it a LITTLE for the Dallas v Saints game
Jan 07 18:08:51 <yetdog> let alone the pricing
Jan 07 18:08:55 <sugardave> kept freezing on me, though
Jan 07 18:09:01 <Deihmos> i thought the anndroid os was suppose to be great
Jan 07 18:09:06 <yetdog> sugardave: i had to watch one of my jets games on it
Jan 07 18:09:07 <DogWater> sugardave: dont remind me about that game please, i've been a saints fan for like 15 years
Jan 07 18:09:08 <yetdog> NFL network and all
Jan 07 18:09:16 <Tibfib> It is nice... but webOS is light years better
Jan 07 18:09:19 <yetdog> PLUS, the radio streaming is incredible if you cant get to sat radio
Jan 07 18:09:24 <sugardave> DogWater: ooops, at least you guys are in the playoffs :D
Jan 07 18:09:37 <yetdog> i hear android is bad at resource management/multitasking
Jan 07 18:09:44 <yetdog> i mean, it "can" do it, but not elegantly, i read
Jan 07 18:09:48 <yetdog> never used it personally
Jan 07 18:09:49 <DogWater> sugardave: hey, first round bye and home field for the first time in history =)
Jan 07 18:09:58 <yetdog> J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! :)
Jan 07 18:10:11 <Tibfib> I've used it. If webOS didn't exist... I'd pick up an android phone
Jan 07 18:10:28 <sugardave> DogWater: yeah, that's pretty nice :D  I hope we can beat the eagles for the 3rd time this season
Jan 07 18:10:31 <sugardave> *fear*
Jan 07 18:10:38 <DogWater> i always assumed that the improvements to webos would be much quicker than they have been
Jan 07 18:10:50 <yetdog> Tibfib: native sdk and we're heading for a big move, IMO
Jan 07 18:11:01 <DogWater> as far as performance issues, etc
Jan 07 18:11:13 <yetdog> well when (if) they enable the GPU for the GUI itself
Jan 07 18:11:15 <Tibfib> DogWater: Updates are rolling out really fast
Jan 07 18:11:17 * sugardave points at chuqui.  "He knows more than he's letting on.  Get him!"
Jan 07 18:11:20 <Tibfib> Palm is a small company
Jan 07 18:11:21 <yetdog> that will be sweet. it needs that, badly
Jan 07 18:11:32 <yetdog> dragging my finger up and down a list on the iphone, the screen moves like paper on a table would
Jan 07 18:11:35 <Tibfib> GPU would be a major improvement
Jan 07 18:11:36 <yetdog> just, absolutely instant
Jan 07 18:11:45 <yetdog> but dragging on the pre isnt quite as sharp
Jan 07 18:11:45 <haeffb> Question: In a dialog, you have to pass a referene to the original scene's sceneAssistant, which I save in the dialog as this.sceneAssistant.
Jan 07 18:11:51 <yetdog> and the launcher can be downright embarrassing at times
Jan 07 18:12:04 <DogWater> making a call shouldn't take as long as it does.
Jan 07 18:12:10 <yetdog> yeah, the phone app is slow too
Jan 07 18:12:15 <yetdog> and it ignores taps to hang up a lot, too
Jan 07 18:12:17 <DogWater> that should be instant
Jan 07 18:12:17 <Deihmos> yep palm is small going up against giants. the android marketing is great
Jan 07 18:12:19 <haeffb> If I have a var in the original scene - this.myVar, can I update that var in the dialogAssistant as this.sceneAssistant.myVar ??
Jan 07 18:12:38 <DogWater> Deihmos: that's fine but they need to have a sense of urgency if they are going to get infront of the flood
Jan 07 18:12:43 <sugardave> haeffb: not sure, but seems reasonable
Jan 07 18:13:41 <DogWater> the smartest thing I think they could do is release a 'open' version of web os that you can install on anything you want and then accept patches back to the main version, it would be amazing in no time.
Jan 07 18:14:52 <DogWater> just look at how fast virtualization technology moved along with that model
Jan 07 18:14:54 <bryanroth> heard there was a tremor in Sunnyvale, perhaps it's a sign of what's to come
Jan 07 18:15:26 <haeffb> sugardave: Yes, you can!
Jan 07 18:15:30 <sugardave> awesome
Jan 07 18:15:41 <chuqui> wheee! earthquake
Jan 07 18:15:44 <chuqui> great timing, god.
Jan 07 18:15:53 <haeffb> I've been passing vars back and forth. Not necessary at all.
Jan 07 18:16:06 <chuqui> http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/FaultMaps/122-37.htm
Jan 07 18:16:45 <haeffb> man, it would suck if Cali slid into the ocean right before Palm's big announcements.
Jan 07 18:16:48 <bryanroth> chuqui: lol - earth is excited for what Palm has to say
Jan 07 18:16:59 <chuqui> either that, or we've pissed off the gods.
Jan 07 18:17:00 * haeffb is a pessimist
Jan 07 18:17:02 <natenrb91> haeffb: but after is ok huh?
Jan 07 18:17:08 <natenrb91> :)
Jan 07 18:17:17 <DogWater> release the kraken on chuqui
Jan 07 18:17:48 <DogWater> so just so im not missing anything the event starts at 2pm right?
Jan 07 18:17:57 <Tibfib> depending on your timezone.
Jan 07 18:22:46 <Tibfib> so chuq, are you bored waiting for CES?
Jan 07 18:23:47 <Suruat> CES!!!!!!!!!
Jan 07 18:24:23 <LoneStar99> Can the following be made dynamic: "this.g1OptionTapped.bind(this));"  "this.g2OptionTapped.bind(this));"    instead of hard coding?
Jan 07 18:25:07 <LoneStar99> where "g1, g2" needs to change dynamically?
Jan 07 18:25:21 <sugardave> LoneStar99: this[variable].bind(this);
Jan 07 18:25:37 <haeffb> LoneStar99: you can also use one handler for multiple widgets, so long as you can differentiate between them in the event handler
Jan 07 18:25:37 <chuqui> not bored any more...
Jan 07 18:26:04 <Tibfib> aww, dang. I was going to suggest reviewing my submitted app...
Jan 07 18:26:06 <Tibfib> oh well
Jan 07 18:26:51 <sugardave> major deja vu
Jan 07 18:27:01 <chuqui> I don't review apps. I just explain why they aren't reviewed yet...
Jan 07 18:27:39 <Bmyers> your talking to the right guy then Tibfib
Jan 07 18:28:33 <Tibfib> hah. I just submitted it yesterday. I don't need to know why it hasn't been reviewed yet.
Jan 07 18:28:39 <haeffb> Bmyers: I need to add a reminder to Milez - to remind you to update endmiles. Thoughts on how to implement that? Like set a default duration, or let the user choose duration on the entry scene, or...?
Jan 07 18:29:48 <Bmyers> let the user choose the duration i imagine..
Jan 07 18:29:57 <haeffb> each time, though?
Jan 07 18:30:04 <Bmyers> no, a pref
Jan 07 18:30:21 <haeffb> I guess have a picker, with a default value from pref, but the user could change each trip.
Jan 07 18:30:23 <Bmyers> or check GPS and see when then stop for some amount of time
Jan 07 18:30:38 <haeffb> GPS enable is 0.3.0
Jan 07 18:30:38 <Bmyers> when they...
Jan 07 18:31:00 <Bmyers> u gonna do a dashboard?
Jan 07 18:31:04 <haeffb> yes
Jan 07 18:31:10 <haeffb> probably
Jan 07 18:31:13 <haeffb> maybe
Jan 07 18:31:20 <Bmyers> you'll get to learn all about $() and multistage apps
Jan 07 18:31:20 <haeffb> I dunno
Jan 07 18:31:28 <JenP> hi all!
Jan 07 18:31:30 <haeffb> I already did that in Agenda.
Jan 07 18:31:36 <Bmyers> o, ok...
Jan 07 18:31:41 <haeffb> it uses Alarms, so had to go multistage.
Jan 07 18:31:50 <haeffb> didn't do dashboard, tho
Jan 07 18:31:53 <Bmyers> cake walk 4 u then..
Jan 07 18:32:15 <haeffb> and I never got in the habit of $(), because...just in case.
Jan 07 18:32:23 <Bmyers> u have examples of dashboards i am sure..
Jan 07 18:32:35 <haeffb> I am sure.
Jan 07 18:33:00 <Bmyers> just go the the service request and skip the setimer i think..
Jan 07 18:33:03 <Deihmos> palm developer site
Jan 07 18:33:24 <sugardave> hello again JenP
Jan 07 18:33:26 <Bmyers> with the..
Jan 07 18:33:31 <JenP> hola
Jan 07 18:33:45 <Bmyers> buenos dias
Jan 07 18:33:48 <haeffb> yeah, as long as min is 5min
Jan 07 18:34:03 <Bmyers> yup.. seems reasonable
Jan 07 18:34:28 <Bmyers> u could go to the input scene on dashboard tap
Jan 07 18:34:34 <Bmyers> to finish the entry.
Jan 07 18:36:49 <sugardave> bah, I can't get the everythingpre live feed to come up
Jan 07 18:37:03 <Bmyers> they're switching it around?
Jan 07 18:37:27 <sugardave> I don't know...I'm just looking for something that's likely to show the Palm keynote
Jan 07 18:37:34 <sugardave> and I don't think the cnet one is going to
Jan 07 18:37:55 <Tibfib> I have engadget and precentral open
Jan 07 18:38:17 <haeffb> good idea
Jan 07 18:38:33 <Tibfib> engadget is live blogging
Jan 07 18:38:41 <Tibfib> idk what precentral is doing... live blogging I think
Jan 07 18:38:42 <sugardave> Tibfib: looks like precentral uses the same service as everythingpre...might be my browser choking on it
Jan 07 18:38:43 <Tibfib> no video though
Jan 07 18:39:00 <sugardave> Tibfib: I think there is supposed to be video with this coverit live thing
Jan 07 18:39:00 <Tibfib> I mean "no video I think"
Jan 07 18:39:11 <Tibfib> sugardave: I hope you are right
Jan 07 18:39:21 <sugardave> but, I have no clue
Jan 07 18:39:22 <sugardave> :D
Jan 07 18:39:24 <sugardave> as per usual
Jan 07 18:39:39 <Tibfib> Here's a standalone link if you don't want to go through precentral... http://www.coveritlive.com/index.php?option=com_altcaster&task=siteviewaltcast&altcast_code=af2011b455
Jan 07 18:40:37 <Bmyers> should be able to get it on your pre yes?
Jan 07 18:40:45 <Bmyers> only seems fitting..
Jan 07 18:44:38 * haeffb working on putting LSXX and jfelectron's color picker into a dialog
Jan 07 18:45:54 <bryanroth> bou't that time
Jan 07 18:46:34 <sugardave> looks like coveritlive is only going to be text...
Jan 07 18:46:41 <bryanroth> :-/
Jan 07 18:47:47 <Bmyers> palm devel site is down too?
Jan 07 18:48:11 <sugardave> will have some still pics, apparently
Jan 07 18:48:33 <sugardave> Bmyers: yep
Jan 07 18:49:28 <atlanta> CES is about to get underway
Jan 07 18:49:42 <Bmyers> SOB
Jan 07 18:49:50 <Bmyers> just as i was updating my app
Jan 07 18:50:05 <sugardave> Bmyers: hehe, you'll get to test out the new shit then
Jan 07 18:50:56 <Bmyers> o that just blows
Jan 07 18:53:07 <Deihmos> anyone found a live feed?
Jan 07 18:54:11 <Tibfib> precentral.net
Jan 07 18:54:15 <muchtall> Deihmos: Tibfib: Here's a standalone link if you don't want to go through precentral... http://www.coveritlive.com/index.php?option=com_altcaster&task=siteviewaltcast&altcast_code=af2011b455
Jan 07 18:54:17 <Tibfib> or do you mean video?
Jan 07 18:54:20 <sugardave> man, it's like I'm living in the 20th century
Jan 07 18:54:23 <gkatsev_zhunter> there are no video feeds. there are text feeds: http://www.precentral.net/live-palms-ces-2010-event
Jan 07 18:54:24 <Deihmos> live feed with video
Jan 07 18:54:30 <gkatsev_zhunter> and http://www.everythingpre.com/live/
Jan 07 18:54:32 <Deihmos> damn
Jan 07 18:54:50 <Tibfib> woot I got engadget and precentrals up... Looking good guys!
Jan 07 18:54:59 <muchtall> Deihmos: Everythingpre has been sening pictures: http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=7597d7c429/height=550/width=470
Jan 07 18:54:59 <sugardave> Deihmos: you can just go to twitter and print out the floating heads of the Palm people, cut them out, then tape them to your speakers
Jan 07 18:55:43 <CTLAdvance> I wonder if we will see a final count of how many apps we have sold
Jan 07 18:56:00 <bryanroth> CTLAdvance: that would rock!
Jan 07 18:56:07 <CTLAdvance> Uh Yeah!
Jan 07 18:56:32 <sugardave> you know what rocks?  Rock Band 2
Jan 07 18:56:36 <sugardave> I love that game now
Jan 07 18:57:21 <CTLAdvance> You know what rocks Modern Warfare 2
Jan 07 18:57:27 <CTLAdvance> ;)
Jan 07 18:58:13 <rboatright> I will be live posting in Bwebos-internals
Jan 07 18:58:34 <rboatright> j #webos-internals
Jan 07 18:58:35 <sugardave> rboatright: awesome
Jan 07 18:58:35 <catalystmediastu> Dunno if it's been posted, but here is a live one with photos as well: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/01/07/live-from-palms-ces-2010-press-event/
Jan 07 18:59:25 <CTLAdvance> Also precental is
Jan 07 19:01:21 <CTLAdvance> Why is there no video feed anywhere
Jan 07 19:01:22 <CTLAdvance> ugh
Jan 07 19:01:59 <Deihmos> all the videos i found are waiting for lady gaga
Jan 07 19:03:28 <sugardave> screw lady gaga
Jan 07 19:03:30 <sugardave> what a waste
Jan 07 19:03:38 <bryanroth> lol
Jan 07 19:03:40 <bryanroth> no kidding
Jan 07 19:03:42 <lyht> Crap. I just went to developer.palm.com. I think I missed the cutoff for submitting apps for free.
Jan 07 19:03:44 <bryanroth> would love to see video of this
Jan 07 19:03:51 <sugardave> lyht: yep, I think you did
Jan 07 19:04:19 <rwhitby> I'm watching http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/live-from-palms-ces-2010-press-event/?sort=newest&refresh=15
Jan 07 19:04:38 <lyht> weel, at least I got my free app in there, but I was hoping to get one more that may not make much money anyway.
Jan 07 19:06:22 <CTLAdvance> Lyht if you are an early access member the apps will remain free
Jan 07 19:06:35 <CTLAdvance> otherwise normal fees apply
Jan 07 19:07:29 <lyht> really? I was under the impression that any apps after the full launch would be $50 for everyone.
Jan 07 19:07:57 <bryanroth> lyht: that's what I thought too
Jan 07 19:07:57 <CTLAdvance> From what I have been told that is not the case
Jan 07 19:08:17 <JustinMitchell2> really? still free for early access? even if we don't have access to the portal yet?
Jan 07 19:08:40 <Bmyers> its down now. i was in the middle of pushing an update
Jan 07 19:08:40 <CTLAdvance> The people who told me this however could have been mistaken, I wouldnt doubt them though. Also the 99 fee is only 5 for early access members
Jan 07 19:09:10 <Tibfib> Come one lets get some info PALM!
Jan 07 19:09:16 <lyht> Boy I can hope
Jan 07 19:09:44 * sugardave never got the email from his handler explaining all this.  "I feel small."
Jan 07 19:09:44 <CTLAdvance> Chuq is in here, maybe he can correct me if I am wrong
Jan 07 19:09:47 <JustinMitchell2> I hope that's true. I have half a dozen apps that I'm working on. it'd cost me $400 to submit them
Jan 07 19:10:21 <JustinMitchell2> I'd prob just put them on preware and make them ad-supported
Jan 07 19:10:26 <Tibfib> idk if chuq is paying attention now
Jan 07 19:10:43 <CTLAdvance> CHUQUI PING!
Jan 07 19:10:49 <chuqui> ping
Jan 07 19:11:07 <chuqui> hint hint: http://developer.palm.com
Jan 07 19:11:12 <bryanroth> back up
Jan 07 19:11:15 <bryanroth> woot
Jan 07 19:11:18 <chuqui> hint hint: http://pdnblog.palm.com/2010/01/ces-announcements/
Jan 07 19:11:44 <bryanroth> wow
Jan 07 19:11:46 <bryanroth> love the new look
Jan 07 19:11:58 <lmorchard> Woo. "The Palm webOS Plug-in Development Kit helps you bring existing apps to webOS quickly." looks interesting
Jan 07 19:12:29 <bryanroth> nice!
Jan 07 19:12:31 <bryanroth> reports!
Jan 07 19:14:52 <sugardave> ah yeah
Jan 07 19:14:53 <sugardave> nice
Jan 07 19:15:04 <gkatsev_zhunter> The PDK offers access to some capabilities —  like accelerated OpenGL-powered 3D graphics — that are not currently exposed to applications built entirely with web technologies.
Jan 07 19:15:15 <gkatsev_zhunter> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1850&Itemid=20
Jan 07 19:15:15 <ambackstrom> nice facelift for the dev site
Jan 07 19:15:41 <bryanroth> talk about information overload
Jan 07 19:15:47 <bryanroth> so much to take in
Jan 07 19:16:48 * sugardave will have to learn about plug-ins now.
Jan 07 19:17:23 <lyht> wow. This is nice
Jan 07 19:20:26 <lyht> Looks like I will have a submission fee. Starting the process now, and it says "submission fees will apply". We will see at the end how much.
Jan 07 19:20:31 <sugardave> REALLY liking the reports section
Jan 07 19:20:48 <sugardave> nice work Palm peeps
Jan 07 19:21:29 <gkatsev_zhunter> lyht: only for paid/free catalog apps. OSS apps will not need that
Jan 07 19:22:07 <chuqui> http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery
Jan 07 19:22:17 <lyht> right. (although I dont know what you mean by oss apps)
Jan 07 19:22:29 <lyht> I assume you mean anything other than the app catalog
Jan 07 19:22:35 <rwhitby> chuqui: very nice shoutouts to homebrew
Jan 07 19:22:57 <gkatsev_zhunter> lyht: open source and free
Jan 07 19:22:58 <Deihmos> is there a video
Jan 07 19:23:22 <rwhitby> no, best for pics is http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/live-from-palms-ces-2010-press-event/?sort=newest&refresh=15
Jan 07 19:23:29 <lyht> right
Jan 07 19:23:41 <JustinMitchell2> on the signup form it asks if I am an oepn source developer. some apps will be oss, some will not....
Jan 07 19:24:03 <Deihmos> ota install from the web is really cool
Jan 07 19:24:14 <Deihmos> games
Jan 07 19:24:16 <Deihmos> sims
Jan 07 19:24:18 <gkatsev_zhunter> would the OSS apps how up on precentrals app gallery? i know they wont be in the app catalog, but would be nice if there was some place to browse the OSS games
Jan 07 19:24:24 <chuqui> Announcing: Hot Apps bonus program! $1M bucs to developers who get the most downloads. The market will reward, not judges.
Jan 07 19:24:25 <Deihmos> sims 3
Jan 07 19:24:44 <chuqui> this one's really slow right now, popular: http://projectappetite.com/
Jan 07 19:25:00 <Tibfib> when are the ea apps gonna be up
Jan 07 19:25:01 <Tibfib> ?
Jan 07 19:25:05 <gkatsev_zhunter> NFS
Jan 07 19:25:12 <ambackstrom> wow, gimmie a 3d app to download
Jan 07 19:25:19 <Deihmos> rock band
Jan 07 19:25:20 <ambackstrom> "Early access partners. Gameloft, EA Mobile, glu, Laminar Research. Apps available today. Need for Speed"
Jan 07 19:25:20 <Deihmos> damn
Jan 07 19:25:27 <haeffb> wow. $1M bonus.
Jan 07 19:25:44 <sugardave> doclee wins
Jan 07 19:25:58 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: ping
Jan 07 19:26:15 <LoneStar99> yeah here, jsut aate lunch
Jan 07 19:26:49 <Deihmos> games will push the pre a lot
Jan 07 19:27:00 <gkatsev_zhunter> "Really smooth -- iPhone smooth."
Jan 07 19:27:04 <jeffwheeler_> wow
Jan 07 19:27:21 <Tibfib> NFS time!
Jan 07 19:27:27 <jfelectron> LS9: I partially reimplemented the color picker...I turned it into a proper Prototype class, Mojoized the event handling and made the UI bigger overall
Jan 07 19:27:40 <haeffb> DL counts!
Jan 07 19:27:41 <lmorchard> Been hearing lots of "Android's going to eat webOS' lunch" over the last few weeks, but man it seems like Palm's got so much more momentum than apple or google on OS dev
Jan 07 19:27:54 <lmorchard> or maybe velocity more than momentum
Jan 07 19:28:20 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: nice I simply modified the size: http://uoid.me/picker2
Jan 07 19:29:09 <DogWater> are these things they're talking about available right now? as far as the ea games, etC?
Jan 07 19:29:12 <DogWater> thats bad ass
Jan 07 19:29:19 <jfelectron> LS99: the use of the document globals and the $() function would crate problems in multi-stage apps
Jan 07 19:29:19 <muchtall> THey just said today
Jan 07 19:29:28 <ambackstrom> apps aren't on the store yet
Jan 07 19:29:43 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: the original is a very well written piece of code
Jan 07 19:30:03 <haeffb> jfelectron: couldn't get it to work in a dialog.
Jan 07 19:30:23 <jfelectron> haeffb: my new implemntation should work
Jan 07 19:30:25 <Tibfib> VID RECORDING
Jan 07 19:30:26 <Tibfib> bout time
Jan 07 19:30:49 <jfelectron> haeffb: the use of the document globals and some other things I think creates problems
Jan 07 19:30:59 <Deihmos> video recording
Jan 07 19:30:59 <gkatsev_zhunter> oh, OSS apps do get including in the app catalog if you wish? cool
Jan 07 19:31:19 <Deihmos> Palm did good
Jan 07 19:31:20 <bryanroth> video!?
Jan 07 19:31:27 <bryanroth> wtf!
Jan 07 19:31:27 <haeffb> jfelectron: I have an app set up to use it in a dialog...
Jan 07 19:31:29 <Bmyers> PDK... gotta wait..
Jan 07 19:31:33 <JustinMitchell2> I guess if they have video recording then they should have audio recording too
Jan 07 19:31:33 <chuqui> video....
Jan 07 19:31:37 <gkatsev_zhunter> sweet! video recording
Jan 07 19:31:46 <haeffb> jfelectron: email?
Jan 07 19:31:47 <bryanroth> this is too much
Jan 07 19:31:54 <bryanroth> breath, breath...
Jan 07 19:32:05 <Deihmos> games, video recording
Jan 07 19:32:07 <DogWater> so when are they pushing this update my phone is dead
Jan 07 19:32:08 <jfelectron> haeffb: sure, I'll send it to you and LS99
Jan 07 19:32:10 <DogWater> aieeeeeeeeeeee
Jan 07 19:32:13 <jeffwheeler_> My internship at Palm now seems infinitely more exciting.
Jan 07 19:32:15 <DogWater> need usb cable
Jan 07 19:32:20 <Tibfib> dangit... not till feb
Jan 07 19:32:26 <LoneStar99> is there a live  webcast to the palm stuff?
Jan 07 19:32:36 <haeffb> sugardave: are reports working for you?
Jan 07 19:32:39 <sugardave> hmmm....I wonder if Palm needs an education specialist....
Jan 07 19:32:40 <jfelectron> haeffb: the size might be an issue for a dialog
Jan 07 19:32:41 <sugardave> haeffb: yep
Jan 07 19:32:43 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: thansks
Jan 07 19:33:04 <haeffb> I get "no sales or downloads"
Jan 07 19:33:10 <sugardave> haeffb: it defaults to July
Jan 07 19:33:18 <sugardave> you need to select December or November
Jan 07 19:33:26 <jeffwheeler_> I just want PDK; don't care about video recording, etc.
Jan 07 19:33:29 <haeffb> Aug for me - when I joined. But al months give the same thing.
Jan 07 19:33:34 <sugardave> oh
Jan 07 19:33:36 <sugardave> lame
Jan 07 19:33:45 <sugardave> I got numbers for Nov and Dec
Jan 07 19:33:50 <haeffb> free apps?
Jan 07 19:33:53 <haeffb> or paid?
Jan 07 19:34:12 <haeffb> mine is only free.
Jan 07 19:35:08 <CTLAdvance> hey hey hey reporting is excellentr
Jan 07 19:35:14 <sugardave> haeffb: ah, mine are paid
Jan 07 19:35:34 <haeffb> chuqui: is reporting not work for free apps?
Jan 07 19:36:41 <_lance_> is there a channel on freenode for end users rather than devs? i'm strongly considering buying a pre but got a few questions.
Jan 07 19:37:12 <sugardave> _lance_: I don't know....but it's a good phone :D
Jan 07 19:37:18 <_lance_> the news of being able to get ports opengl software working on the pre convinced me that it was worth another look
Jan 07 19:37:34 <Bmyers> we;re already running doom and quake
Jan 07 19:37:36 <_lance_> it's also $700 though..
Jan 07 19:37:44 <sugardave> that seems WAY too high
Jan 07 19:37:52 <sugardave> I thought it was $500 with no contract
Jan 07 19:37:57 <_lance_> out of contract, unsubsidized, plus 13% tax
Jan 07 19:37:59 <_lance_> in canadian dollars
Jan 07 19:38:05 <sugardave> oh Canadian
Jan 07 19:38:05 <sugardave> yeah
Jan 07 19:38:06 <Bmyers> lookies?
Jan 07 19:38:07 <ambackstrom> sweet, now my phone will be vulnerable to all the upcoming flash-based worms and malware
Jan 07 19:38:11 <Bmyers> loonies..
Jan 07 19:38:24 <_lance_> well, it's $600 plus tax, plus $35 to activate
Jan 07 19:38:28 <_lance_> Anyhow
Jan 07 19:38:29 <DogWater> man the engadget guy who is covering the CES show is a total ahole
Jan 07 19:38:35 <JustinM> did anyone confirm whether or not the submission fee is still being waved for early access developers?
Jan 07 19:38:44 <_lance_> any need to hack the thing to get these fancy opengl apps in there?
Jan 07 19:39:02 <Bmyers> preware
Jan 07 19:39:20 <sugardave> JustinM: according to this page they're waiving the $99 for everyone atm
Jan 07 19:39:25 <Bmyers> lance: where in canadia r u?
Jan 07 19:39:29 <sugardave> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1839&Itemid=33
Jan 07 19:39:31 <_lance_> Bmyers: Downtown Toronto
Jan 07 19:39:38 <Bmyers> TO... great town..
Jan 07 19:39:41 <rwhitby> chuqui: please tell me you got a shot of a Preware icons somewhere into the slides?
Jan 07 19:39:44 <Bmyers> i love TO
Jan 07 19:39:48 <_lance_> it's got its ups and downs, but i've been here 5 years and i like it
Jan 07 19:40:01 <_lance_> probably going to move someplace a little further from the core once i graduate though
Jan 07 19:40:06 <JustinM> sugardave: I see they are waiving the $99 fee, but i'm more concerned with the per-app submission fee
Jan 07 19:40:09 <Bmyers> lance: part time nova scotian here..
Jan 07 19:40:17 <sugardave> darn, I lost me special green color on the forums :(
Jan 07 19:40:21 <_lance_> 4th year computer science, so having a phone to code for, that's not WM or OSX based would be cool
Jan 07 19:40:23 <sugardave> JustinM: ah, not sure about that
Jan 07 19:40:33 <lyht> _lance_: If you wanted quake right now, you would have to turn on dev mode. (easy to enter code) and that is all.
Jan 07 19:40:34 <doohan> C++!
Jan 07 19:40:47 <JustinM> sugardave: someone earlier suggested that it was still being waved for early access developers
Jan 07 19:41:03 <_lance_> lyht: ah.. and the code is free with signup right? i think i still got a palm dev account from my m105 days.
Jan 07 19:41:04 <sugardave> that would be nice
Jan 07 19:41:23 <lyht> however, they are supposed to release a few official 3d games today. They were talking about sims 3d, and need for speed.
Jan 07 19:41:23 <DogWater> why would they remove the nav button
Jan 07 19:41:25 <DogWater> what a tool
Jan 07 19:41:32 <_lance_> that'd be very spiffy
Jan 07 19:41:41 <_lance_> okay.. sounds like after i buy this textbook i'll be hitting the bell store
Jan 07 19:41:45 <lmorchard> Have you ever actually used that button?
Jan 07 19:42:02 <lmorchard> I keep wondering why it's there
Jan 07 19:42:20 <haeffb> Crap!
Jan 07 19:42:34 <DogWater> i use it constantly
Jan 07 19:42:36 <haeffb> no "Submit" button in Forums in FireFox 3.5.7.
Jan 07 19:42:47 <lyht> _lance_: the code is available to all, dev and normal user alike. it is the kunami code of upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart
Jan 07 19:42:57 <_lance_> haha.. really? that's great. :)
Jan 07 19:43:00 <lmorchard> Seems like a swipe up from the gesture area does the same as the button
Jan 07 19:43:08 <lmorchard> and easier to do with one hand
Jan 07 19:43:14 <_lance_> if i manage to buy one and switch today, i'll be messing with dev tools same day
Jan 07 19:43:21 <DogWater> why would you have a phone with a real keyboard if you can't have a button to wake the phone up?
Jan 07 19:43:22 <haeffb> lmorchard: yes. The pixi has no button
Jan 07 19:43:23 <DogWater> erm
Jan 07 19:43:30 <lmorchard> haeffb: I know, my wife has one
Jan 07 19:43:35 <jeffwheeler_> wonder if that's only for Verizon?
Jan 07 19:43:41 <_lance_> now if i can just figure out how to get a stock check..
Jan 07 19:43:41 <jeffwheeler_> (the Hotspot thing)
Jan 07 19:43:45 <chuqui> We're also announcing a new applications... Palm Mobile Hotspot -- it takes tethering to a new level. Just download this app, install it on your device, and you can use your device to connect to the internet... up to five different devices can connect."
Jan 07 19:43:48 <lmorchard> DogWater: There's a power button on the top
Jan 07 19:43:53 <haeffb> I use the button all the time. But only because it's there.
Jan 07 19:43:54 <_lance_> Bmyers: sorry, got distracted. Dal student?
Jan 07 19:44:05 <_lance_> I've got some good friends from dal, and memorial
Jan 07 19:44:09 <bryanroth> chuqui: wow!
Jan 07 19:44:13 <DogWater> wait so the people who supported them from the beginning on sprint can't get the better phone?
Jan 07 19:44:14 <lmorchard> whoa. Palm Mobile Hotspot.. really? and that's kosher with sprint?
Jan 07 19:44:14 <lyht> yup. have to use a desktop install program someone wrote called webos quick install, to get a program called preware installed on the phone. Then quake and doom are yours for free.
Jan 07 19:44:19 <sugardave> chuqui: but not on Sprint :P
Jan 07 19:44:21 <DogWater> what the hell
Jan 07 19:44:27 <haeffb> oh, wait, the button is there, just hard to see.
Jan 07 19:44:32 <DogWater> ugh
Jan 07 19:44:32 <jeffwheeler_> chuqui: on Verizon only?
Jan 07 19:44:36 <lmorchard> DogWater: Welcome to early-adopter-hood
Jan 07 19:44:46 <sugardave> it's for Pre/Pix Plus...verizon exclusive
Jan 07 19:44:50 <jeffwheeler_> :(
Jan 07 19:45:01 <bryanroth> :(
Jan 07 19:45:07 <haeffb> who will hack it to work on Sprint?
Jan 07 19:45:07 <LoneStar99> this the most people I have ever seen in here
Jan 07 19:45:11 <lyht> _lance_: got to precentral.net and look for an article about getting started with homebrew. all is explianed there.
Jan 07 19:45:12 <DogWater> that's lame that the phones with more ram aren't available to their biggest supporters
Jan 07 19:45:27 <JustinM> haeffb: there is already a homebrew app to tether for sprint
Jan 07 19:45:30 <_lance_> lyht: thanks! will do!
Jan 07 19:45:32 <lmorchard> It'll probably show up on sprint eventually
Jan 07 19:46:00 <JustinM> haeffb: however it violates sprint's TOS, mostly likely
Jan 07 19:46:02 <lmorchard> probably too much of a hassle to get sprint to change around their product lines vs launching on a new carrier to expand palm's offerings
Jan 07 19:46:04 <sugardave> haeffb: no need, huh?  can't you already tether the Pre on Sprint, jus tnot officially?
Jan 07 19:46:20 <jeffwheeler_> if they terminate your contract for breaking it, do you have to pay the ETF? ;)
Jan 07 19:46:22 <haeffb> yes, but it'd be nice to have an app that you don't have to "donate" to get
Jan 07 19:46:35 <Deihmos> did they say when flash will be out
Jan 07 19:46:43 <sugardave> ahhh, didn't know about the donation thing
Jan 07 19:46:47 <JustinM> haeffb: you'd donate a monthly fee to verizon any other way :)
Jan 07 19:46:49 <sugardave> I thought those were verboten
Jan 07 19:46:55 <haeffb> chuqui: Some of the forum links/etc are kinda hard to read
Jan 07 19:47:05 <DogWater> kinda feel cheated
Jan 07 19:47:16 <Deihmos> tethering on verizon will cost extra
Jan 07 19:47:23 <Deihmos> verizon does not give anything for free
Jan 07 19:47:37 <sugardave> they give me free roaming :D
Jan 07 19:47:55 <Deihmos> and a high bill
Jan 07 19:48:01 <LoneStar99> verizon: gives me headaches with their commercials
Jan 07 19:48:15 <haeffb> chuqui: like "New Topic" and "Reply" are white txt on light gray background
Jan 07 19:48:44 <lmorchard> I'll wait for the palm pre ++ on sprint when my discount comes up again in a year or so
Jan 07 19:48:44 * haeffb is pissing all over chuqui's big day... sry.
Jan 07 19:48:46 <Deihmos> if you roam with verizon it will be on sprint network
Jan 07 19:48:57 <DogWater> i feel bad for folks who bought the stock thinking that was going to be a catalyst
Jan 07 19:49:00 <DogWater> ack
Jan 07 19:49:01 <sugardave> Deihmos: no, I mean I'm on Sprint, except when I'm roaming
Jan 07 19:49:09 <DogWater> poor bono =)
Jan 07 19:49:11 <_lance_> Hooray, found a store with a Pre in stock
Jan 07 19:49:41 <Deihmos> palm will do well
Jan 07 19:49:53 <Deihmos> with the right marketing of those games on verizon they will do well
Jan 07 19:50:07 <Deihmos> marketing was poor
Jan 07 19:50:12 <Deihmos> that creepy lady
Jan 07 19:50:19 <chuqui> haeffb -- seems okay to my middle-aged, bad eyes. but I'll look at it
Jan 07 19:50:20 <Deihmos> didn't catch anyone
Jan 07 19:50:30 <bryanroth> ugh
Jan 07 19:50:59 <El_Matarife> Damn I feel like I need a smoke and I don't even smoke
Jan 07 19:51:00 <DogWater> So whats the best way to get started as a pre developer, are there any guides for setting up a good developer environment?
Jan 07 19:51:23 <Deihmos> did they say when flash will be out
Jan 07 19:51:26 <El_Matarife> Now all they need is a few more Exchange improvements and everything will be golden
Jan 07 19:51:33 <DogWater> the beta for flash 10 should be out in feb
Jan 07 19:51:38 <DogWater> i think they said
Jan 07 19:51:42 <_lance_> i'm just looking forward to having a decent keyboard and ssh client on my hip again
Jan 07 19:52:12 <Deihmos> Flash 10 beta plugin will be in the App Catalog soon... Pre only!
Jan 07 19:52:26 <ambackstrom> are the 3d games showing up in anyone's catalog?
Jan 07 19:52:36 <CTLAdvance> not mine
Jan 07 19:52:39 <jeffwheeler_> I wonder whether you'll be able to write normal-looking UI with the C API, or that'll remain just Mojo.
Jan 07 19:52:50 <CTLAdvance> they might be on the way
Jan 07 19:52:50 <jeffwheeler_> That is, will you have to use an immersive UI?
Jan 07 19:53:00 <Templarian> jeffwheeler_: it extends through plugins so.
Jan 07 19:53:08 <Templarian> You will still be using Mojo.
Jan 07 19:53:21 <jeffwheeler_> Templarian: hmm, I want to write UI code in PDK; I think I'll find a way :)
Jan 07 19:53:32 <jeffwheeler_> Templarian: maybe some llvm magic :)
Jan 07 19:53:38 <Templarian> I'm sure there is a way.
Jan 07 19:53:39 <jeffwheeler_> (so I can use another language entirely)
Jan 07 19:53:44 <sugardave> okay...so I got LOTS of stuff to learn now if I'm to keep up
Jan 07 19:54:08 <CTLAdvance> Says the 3d games are coming today not rightnow
Jan 07 19:54:08 <bryanroth> I guess my app will remain in "Being Reviewed" indefinitely ;)
Jan 07 19:54:33 <sugardave> bryanroth: yeah, my last update could really stem some of these idiots, but it's been sitting in the queue for almost 3 weeks now
Jan 07 19:54:35 <Bmyers> wonder if the PDK will include some UI resources..
Jan 07 19:54:37 <haeffb> chuqui: On FireFox 3.5.7 - I can send a screenshot if you'd like
Jan 07 19:54:45 <jeffwheeler_> Bmyers: exactly my question
Jan 07 19:54:52 <chuqui> please do
Jan 07 19:54:54 <CTLAdvance> How did they write need for speed for this? Native SDK?
Jan 07 19:55:00 <bryanroth> sugardave: yeah, I'm going on two weeks
Jan 07 19:55:02 <jeffwheeler_> CTLAdvance: PDK?
Jan 07 19:55:10 <Bmyers> i've requested PDK early access.. we'll see  <---- chuqui
Jan 07 19:55:12 <CTLAdvance> did I miss something
Jan 07 19:55:14 <gkatsev_zhunter> yeah, looks like PDK
Jan 07 19:55:18 <lyht> sugardave: hound your handler. It could be stuck.
Jan 07 19:55:38 <CTLAdvance> Where do we get access to the PDK
Jan 07 19:55:42 <CTLAdvance> or request it?
Jan 07 19:55:43 <jeffwheeler_> CTLAdvance: we have to wait
Jan 07 19:55:45 <CTLAdvance> Our handler?
Jan 07 19:55:47 <jeffwheeler_> or request it
Jan 07 19:55:49 <Bmyers> sugardave: tell your handle you stole their home address of their device
Jan 07 19:55:54 <bryanroth> lyht: only problem is if your account manager doesn't respond to you :-/
Jan 07 19:56:24 <sugardave> yeah, I guess I will hit her up
Jan 07 19:56:36 <doohan> CTLAdvance, you can email pdk-info@palm.com
Jan 07 19:56:36 <Bmyers> sugardave: gloria?
Jan 07 19:57:45 <rwhitby> CTLAdvance: you can start learning the PDK at http://bit.ly/palm-pdk and http://bit.ly/webos-internals-pdk
Jan 07 19:59:03 <sugardave> Bmyers: nah, I have Judy
Jan 07 19:59:09 <Bmyers> 2nd link doesnt work Rod..
Jan 07 19:59:15 <Deihmos> i likr thst littl ebutton
Jan 07 19:59:33 <Deihmos> i like that little button in the middle. i cannot believe they are getting rid of it
Jan 07 19:59:34 <sugardave> Bmyers: got a link for PDK early access request?
Jan 07 19:59:35 <Bmyers> wait.. it does. NM
Jan 07 19:59:41 <Deihmos> it has the blink notification
Jan 07 19:59:52 <Bmyers> that link Rod just posted on [alm
Jan 07 19:59:55 <Bmyers> palm
Jan 07 20:00:01 <bryanroth> Bmyers: yeah, Gloria is my account handler
Jan 07 20:00:16 <Bmyers> dont bother Gloria. she is busy reviewing my app
Jan 07 20:00:16 <swisstomcat> wohoo, big news
Jan 07 20:00:23 <atlanta> Bmyers: it doesnt
Jan 07 20:00:31 <bryanroth> Bmyers: lol - wow, ok
Jan 07 20:00:35 <Bmyers> down at the bottom . email addy
Jan 07 20:00:49 <Bmyers> bryanroth: jk
Jan 07 20:00:56 <Bmyers> bryanroth: not i'm not
Jan 07 20:01:08 <Bmyers> bryanroth: i was jk. really..
Jan 07 20:01:12 <Bmyers> :)
Jan 07 20:01:14 <rwhitby> Bmyers: http://bit.ly/webos-internals-pdk works here
Jan 07 20:01:16 <bryanroth> Bmyers: lol!
Jan 07 20:01:21 <bryanroth> Bmyers: ;)
Jan 07 20:01:36 <Bmyers> yeah Rod. i tried it when u posted it in -internals. didnt work for me then. does now..
Jan 07 20:01:54 <rwhitby> Bmyers: maybe bit.ly lag or something
Jan 07 20:02:14 <Bmyers> If you're interested in receiving early access to the PDK, please send an email to pdk-info@palm.com This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it  and be sure to include details about who you are and what you intend to do with the PDK.
Jan 07 20:02:20 <gkatsev_zhunter> rwhitby: the link above had webos=internals-pdk
Jan 07 20:02:54 <doohan> What I want to do with the pdk: "Code stuff"
Jan 07 20:02:59 <sugardave> chuqui: if you're on point for PDK access, I just sent my request, as well
Jan 07 20:03:12 <doohan> What are you supposed to say in an email like that?
Jan 07 20:03:38 <Bmyers> Paper mail only for pdk early access.
Jan 07 20:03:43 * rwhitby writes "Please give me access to the PDK.  I intend to do the stuff we just released this week ...."
Jan 07 20:03:53 <Bmyers> write your name and address on a crisp $100 bill and send to....
Jan 07 20:03:53 <sugardave> doohan: talk about how awesome and wonderful you are, the apps you already have in the catalog, how long you've been an early access developer, etc.
Jan 07 20:04:04 <doohan> Er... 3 days :)
Jan 07 20:04:10 <Bmyers> Rod: funny...
Jan 07 20:04:14 <Tibfib> So Chuq... I have a question about the application I submitted yesterday... will I be able to get it into the catalog free as part of the early access program?
Jan 07 20:04:15 <lyht> doohan: "I plan on making app wherewith to rule the world. And I will need the PDK for that."
Jan 07 20:04:24 <Bmyers> you guys stole a little thunder there i think. nice job
Jan 07 20:04:27 <DogWater> lyht: can't launch missiles in 2d
Jan 07 20:04:29 <swisstomcat> i want to write a skynet app
Jan 07 20:04:37 <swisstomcat> please give me the pdk
Jan 07 20:04:37 <lyht> DogWater: exactly
Jan 07 20:04:49 <DogWater> lyht: unless you're playing missile command in reverse, but who wants that
Jan 07 20:04:57 <lyht> no one
Jan 07 20:04:58 <sugardave> 2d missile trajectory is possible, but only if there are no mountains in the way
Jan 07 20:05:01 <lyht> not me
Jan 07 20:05:06 <rwhitby> Bmyers: we like to think of ourselves as the tiny little appetiser before the main course.
Jan 07 20:05:29 <lyht> Tibfib: if the app is already submitted, you are in the clear
Jan 07 20:05:38 <doohan> DogWater, I'd like to play missle command in reverse
Jan 07 20:05:50 <DogWater> missile command(er)
Jan 07 20:05:59 <doohan> Anygame where I get to be the bad guy is A-ok in my books.
Jan 07 20:06:02 <Bmyers> rwhitby: well, know that there were folks out there sticking thier pre's in iphone owners faces going "Got Doom?"
Jan 07 20:06:10 * Bmyers Me
Jan 07 20:06:24 <DogWater> why the hell would you want doom
Jan 07 20:06:30 <doohan> It's good fun.
Jan 07 20:06:30 <DogWater> that game sucked back in 1994 and it sucks now
Jan 07 20:06:41 <lyht> I've always felt doom was the pinicle of 3d gaming
Jan 07 20:06:41 <swisstomcat> just give me the 1.3.5 update already!
Jan 07 20:06:41 <sugardave> Doom rocks
Jan 07 20:06:42 <doohan> You clearly never had any friends to play it with.
Jan 07 20:06:50 <doohan> :)
Jan 07 20:06:56 <DogWater> I used to dial in to a BBS and play it with like 8 people
Jan 07 20:06:58 <sugardave> we had a map that was our Dell test lab area
Jan 07 20:06:59 <doohan> Doom multiplayer was awesome.
Jan 07 20:07:00 <sugardave> fun times
Jan 07 20:07:11 <Bmyers> barney doom...
Jan 07 20:07:11 <DogWater> it was still silly
Jan 07 20:07:15 <natenrb91> anyone else wish there was a "Better Battery announcement…"?
Jan 07 20:07:22 <doohan> Bmyers, I remember that mod.
Jan 07 20:07:28 <Bmyers> that was my fav..
Jan 07 20:07:34 <Bmyers> i hated barney like no other..
Jan 07 20:07:36 <doohan> The alien mod was decent too.
Jan 07 20:07:47 <lyht> it'll be cool when they figure out how to add network connectivity to the quake port, so we can play multiplayer
Jan 07 20:07:50 <Bmyers> used the hamburger gun on him all the time..
Jan 07 20:07:52 <JustinM> when upgrading my account online...  it asks if I want to make it an Open Source account. How do I go about distributing some OSS apps, and some paid apps? Can a single account do both?
Jan 07 20:08:19 <sugardave> JustinM: probably, but best to get an official response
Jan 07 20:09:48 <swisstomcat> justin: the way i read it you need two accounts in this case
Jan 07 20:10:12 <swisstomcat> " If you want to create non-open source apps, you'll need to create another developer account and pay the regular fees."
Jan 07 20:10:26 <sugardave> ah
Jan 07 20:10:29 <sugardave> missed that part
Jan 07 20:10:52 <JustinM> ah i didn't see that either
Jan 07 20:10:59 <Bmyers> say what?
Jan 07 20:11:04 <sugardave> what
Jan 07 20:11:12 <Bmyers> OSS who?
Jan 07 20:12:03 <ambackstrom> OSSama?
Jan 07 20:13:28 <Bmyers> you need to pay 99 to give away OSS apps?
Jan 07 20:13:29 <JustinM> swisstomcat: where did you see that?
Jan 07 20:13:41 <LoneStar99> what is the difference btween open source and free?
Jan 07 20:13:56 <ambackstrom> Bmyers: "When you enroll in the Palm Developer Program, you'll be given the option of identifying yourself as an open source developer. The $99 enrollment fee will be waived and you'll be able to join the program for free."
Jan 07 20:14:02 <swisstomcat> justinm: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1843&Itemid=40
Jan 07 20:14:07 <_lance_> open source doesn't necessarily give you any of the fundamental software freedoms
Jan 07 20:14:22 <_lance_> oh.. sorry, missed the context
Jan 07 20:14:23 <ambackstrom> _lance_: open source gives you the freedom to modify the source
Jan 07 20:14:26 <swisstomcat> free as in freedom not as in beer
Jan 07 20:14:26 <_lance_> nevermind
Jan 07 20:14:40 <doohan> March is ages away
Jan 07 20:14:50 <Deihmos> does pre plus have 512Mb of ram?
Jan 07 20:14:52 <_lance_> ambackstrom: but not necessarily distro the modified source
Jan 07 20:14:55 <CTLAdvance> Yeah but you still need to pay the 50 to get a paid app in the catalog
Jan 07 20:14:59 <CTLAdvance> just the 99 is waived
Jan 07 20:15:05 <Bmyers> so if you're already enrolled in palm app devel program? what?
Jan 07 20:15:13 <CTLAdvance> Then its 5 a year
Jan 07 20:15:14 <ambackstrom> _lance_: what's a license that doesn't allow derivitave works?
Jan 07 20:15:42 <_lance_> the microsoft open source license
Jan 07 20:15:53 <atlanta> Free - annual $99 fee waived for a limited time
Jan 07 20:15:55 <swisstomcat> bmyers: i'm asking myself that too .. i'm already enrolled
Jan 07 20:15:58 <atlanta> i think i should get my $5 back
Jan 07 20:15:58 <atlanta> lol
Jan 07 20:16:10 <swisstomcat> i guess i should create another account for the open source stuff
Jan 07 20:16:13 <Bmyers> microsoft lecenses their stuff?
Jan 07 20:16:19 <atlanta> wheres the open source option
Jan 07 20:16:31 <Bmyers> atlanta, looking for that myself
Jan 07 20:16:36 <swisstomcat> cc has non-derivative licenses
Jan 07 20:16:40 <JustinM> it's the last question in the registration form
Jan 07 20:16:41 <CTLAdvance> Chuqui - really liking these reports
Jan 07 20:16:45 <atlanta> Bmyers: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1843&Itemid=40
Jan 07 20:16:51 <_lance_> my mistake, it says you can distribute derivative works in the ms open source lisense
Jan 07 20:16:55 <yetdog> yeah the reports are awesome
Jan 07 20:16:59 <yetdog> app stats and whatnot
Jan 07 20:17:14 <_lance_> i thought only the MS-PL did, turns out MS-RL does too
Jan 07 20:17:31 <atlanta> i dont have app stats
Jan 07 20:18:29 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone excited yet?
Jan 07 20:18:40 <_lance_> alright.. now i'm going to take off and buy the pre, so long as Bell doesn't try to screw me on fees
Jan 07 20:18:43 <_lance_> bbl
Jan 07 20:18:45 <webster42> hi there
Jan 07 20:18:56 <webster42> so the event at CES today tickled my curiosity
Jan 07 20:19:01 <webster42> I'm a dev from Israel
Jan 07 20:19:01 <Bmyers> big wrapup day today Roy..
Jan 07 20:19:04 <haeffb> atlanta: do you have paid apps?
Jan 07 20:19:19 <webster42> anybody feel like answering a couple of newbie questions?
Jan 07 20:19:23 <swisstomcat> sure
Jan 07 20:19:37 <Roy-Pre101> webster42: Sure
Jan 07 20:19:40 <webster42> Is there a breakdown of units/countries of Palm sales?
Jan 07 20:19:47 <lyht> there's the games.
Jan 07 20:19:48 <webster42> I have no idea if it's worth it to do a local app
Jan 07 20:19:54 <webster42> (in Hebrew)
Jan 07 20:20:08 <Roy-Pre101> Neither do we. :)
Jan 07 20:20:26 <swisstomcat> i did a very limited swiss local app .. and got 75 preware downloads
Jan 07 20:20:28 <atlanta> haeffb: im going to
Jan 07 20:20:30 <AtomicPlayboy> ping chuqui
Jan 07 20:20:34 <atlanta> starting feb
Jan 07 20:20:41 <atlanta> webster42: ask
Jan 07 20:20:52 <haeffb> atlanta: I have only a free app, and I get nothing in reports. Maybe just for paid apps?
Jan 07 20:21:00 <AtomicPlayboy> chuqui ping rather.
Jan 07 20:21:02 <webster42> I have my eye on that contest/bonus thing
Jan 07 20:21:06 <atlanta> haeffb: i get nothing on my free app either
Jan 07 20:21:17 <sugardave> webster42: forget it, doc has everyone beat
Jan 07 20:21:19 <natenrb91> webster42: if you sold it for like $100 a download it might be worth it...
Jan 07 20:21:25 <webster42> it seems like the top 221 apps (free, and as many paid) get something
Jan 07 20:21:36 <webster42> since there's only like 1000 apps to begin with..
Jan 07 20:21:37 <webster42> :P
Jan 07 20:21:46 <ambackstrom> some 3d apps in the store now
Jan 07 20:21:52 <Roy-Pre101> Match 'Em free is going in ASAP.
Jan 07 20:22:09 <Roy-Pre101> And I will finish my other apps. :P
Jan 07 20:22:35 <swisstomcat> ambackstrom: us only i assume?
Jan 07 20:22:54 <ambackstrom> I'm in US. @Palm was unspecific
Jan 07 20:22:58 <ambackstrom> they're paid apps
Jan 07 20:23:30 <swisstomcat> poor europe has to wait
Jan 07 20:23:45 <webster42> does it make sense to be a palm developer if palm doesn't have any presence in your country of residence?
Jan 07 20:23:58 <swisstomcat> good question
Jan 07 20:23:59 <webster42> why are paid apps limited to the U.S.?
Jan 07 20:24:11 <swisstomcat> i have to find out if i can sell apps if i'm not from germany
Jan 07 20:24:22 <doohan> webster42, probably some legal/tax type issues to sort out
Jan 07 20:24:23 <Roy-Pre101> webster42: I assume it's because of the regulatory hurdles.
Jan 07 20:24:39 <Roy-Pre101> Taxes, operating licenses, etc.
Jan 07 20:24:56 <webster42> is there a definitive Web Distribution ranking site?
Jan 07 20:25:10 <webster42> I guess Palm have their "reviewed by us" App Catalog
Jan 07 20:25:14 <sugardave> webster42: paid apps will not be limited to just the US for long
Jan 07 20:25:16 <webster42> and the Web Distribution is sideloading basically
Jan 07 20:25:31 <webster42> but how do outsiders keep track?
Jan 07 20:25:54 <sugardave> code in tracking mechanism and track it in a db in the "CLOUD"
Jan 07 20:25:56 * haeffb opens app catalog
Jan 07 20:26:04 * haeffb and goes "wow"
Jan 07 20:26:20 * swisstomcat opens app catalog
Jan 07 20:26:27 <webster42> sugardave:  sure, that's just for your apps
Jan 07 20:26:27 * swisstomcat and goes *yawn*
Jan 07 20:26:39 <webster42> I'm looking for a definitive listing of all the apps for the platform right now
Jan 07 20:27:09 <sugardave> webster42: apparently that's coming or already here....didn't catch the link but there was a demo of a Web-accessible catalog, I though
Jan 07 20:27:12 <sugardave> thought
Jan 07 20:27:33 <webster42> didn't that link say it's "just an example"
Jan 07 20:27:35 <kesne> Yo Dawg! hit the catalog!
Jan 07 20:27:40 <sugardave> I don't know
Jan 07 20:27:56 <haeffb> Going over the speed limit too often? There's an app for that.
Jan 07 20:28:02 <sugardave> but rss feeds, etc. are announced for all the info
Jan 07 20:28:14 <sugardave> kesne: great timing
Jan 07 20:28:20 <webster42> http://www.projectappetite.com/
Jan 07 20:28:29 <Deihmos> games in catalog
Jan 07 20:28:29 <webster42> NOTE: Project Appetite is a sample project for demonstration purposes only; it is not an official catalog.
Jan 07 20:28:30 <Zorin> A speed app is neat. Would be neat to fire that up on a plane. :)
Jan 07 20:28:34 <webster42> I don't get that
Jan 07 20:28:52 <webster42> for some reason the Palm guys want lots of people to make sites like http://www.projectappetite.com/
Jan 07 20:28:56 <kesne> sugardave: What does that mean
Jan 07 20:28:57 <Deihmos> no need for speed
Jan 07 20:29:08 <Zorin> Of course with how paranoid they are these days, if a flight attendant sees you with it they may have you arrested o.O
Jan 07 20:29:12 <DogWater> yes because everyone wants adam corrola network on their phone
Jan 07 20:29:13 <DogWater> aieeee
Jan 07 20:29:16 <haeffb> Sims for $9.99?
Jan 07 20:29:17 <webster42> as a consumer and potential developer, I want a *definitive* one
Jan 07 20:29:18 <sugardave> kesne: your app hit today, lots of new apps in the catalog, lots of people going to see what's there...you're in "Today"
Jan 07 20:29:21 <sugardave> etc.
Jan 07 20:29:35 <LoneStar99> sugardave:  can u check out the following short code and tell me what is wrong?  http://pastebin.com/d212c503
Jan 07 20:29:35 <kesne> sugardave: oh, because they love me
Jan 07 20:29:36 <sugardave> webster42: dude, join the club that's been asking since June
Jan 07 20:30:30 <Deihmos> i wonder if scrabble has online play
Jan 07 20:30:40 <webster42> that's just idiotic
Jan 07 20:30:47 <webster42> they setup that bonus program, I come check it out
Jan 07 20:30:59 <webster42> and there's really not enough info for me to decide whether this is worth my time
Jan 07 20:31:33 <sugardave> webster42: guess you're not playing then :D
Jan 07 20:31:44 <atlanta> more chances for me
Jan 07 20:31:44 <atlanta> lol
Jan 07 20:31:45 <atlanta> eheheheh
Jan 07 20:31:49 <sugardave> LoneStar99: not sure...there's no this[variable] before you're binding it?
Jan 07 20:31:52 <webster42> yeah exactly my point!
Jan 07 20:31:58 <webster42> great for you guys who are already in it
Jan 07 20:32:04 <webster42> but defeats the purpose of the bonus program
Jan 07 20:32:10 <chuqui> kaf kaf -- games in the catalog...
Jan 07 20:32:10 * atlanta is making his OSS account now 
Jan 07 20:32:11 <webster42> palm wants more guys like me
Jan 07 20:32:14 <atlanta> atlantaOSS sounds efficient
Jan 07 20:32:16 <sugardave> webster42: not really...dev a killer app and get more downloads
Jan 07 20:32:20 <atlanta> chuqui: why thank you
Jan 07 20:32:31 <kesne> chuqui: IDEA STEALER!
Jan 07 20:32:33 <atlanta> going to download games
Jan 07 20:32:38 <swisstomcat> chuqui: not for europe :(
Jan 07 20:32:45 <atlanta> swisstomcat: US only
Jan 07 20:32:48 <atlanta> sorry broham
Jan 07 20:32:52 <webster42> sugardave: how many downloads approx. would one need to win a tier1/2/3 prize?
Jan 07 20:32:55 * swisstomcat cries
Jan 07 20:32:58 <webster42> seems unanswerable
Jan 07 20:33:04 <atlanta> holy shit swisstomcat dont worry they cost shit loads of money
Jan 07 20:33:05 <sugardave> webster42: unknown, that's what makes it fun
Jan 07 20:33:12 <swisstomcat> atlanta: how much?
Jan 07 20:33:24 <atlanta> 4.99 cheapest
Jan 07 20:33:26 <atlanta> 9.99 max
Jan 07 20:33:31 <sugardave> sheee-it
Jan 07 20:33:34 <webster42> sugardave: that's what makes the platform an also ran
Jan 07 20:33:35 <atlanta> LMFAO
Jan 07 20:33:42 <atlanta> sugardave: thats what i said
Jan 07 20:33:51 <atlanta> flight simuator gam
Jan 07 20:33:52 <swisstomcat> atlanta: 4.99 isn't too bad
Jan 07 20:33:53 <webster42> lemme ask you guys this: I can't get a pre right now
Jan 07 20:33:57 <atlanta> swisstomcat: EHHH
Jan 07 20:34:05 <CTLAdvance> ARGH - Now I need to start working on my c/C++ againg
Jan 07 20:34:07 <CTLAdvance> crap
Jan 07 20:34:07 <webster42> are the dev tools/ide enough and I can do it all without a physical device?
Jan 07 20:34:08 <LoneStar99> sugardave: the original looks like this:  "Mojo.Event.listen($("b1"), Mojo.Event.tap, this.b1.bind(this))"
Jan 07 20:34:10 <Tibfib> sooooooooo...need legal help.... trying to sign up for the full program. It is asking for my company name. Im not part of an LLC or anything... Can I use "Tibfib" as my company name? or do I use my own name?
Jan 07 20:34:12 <webster42> (not a 3D game)
Jan 07 20:34:15 <atlanta> webster42: yea
Jan 07 20:34:16 <CTLAdvance> I thought I was past the days of c and c++
Jan 07 20:34:25 <JustinM> webster42: yeah, i wrote a few apps before i ever got a pre
Jan 07 20:34:26 <atlanta> CTLAdvance: they have come back to haught u
Jan 07 20:34:26 <swisstomcat> webster: you can get a feel of it with the emulator
Jan 07 20:34:28 <CTLAdvance> :) OH What Joy! Borland here I come
Jan 07 20:34:30 <sugardave> webster42: I don't thin kthe lack of total download numbers for every app in the catalog means an app can't be made nor does it make the platform an also-ran, but you know what opinions are like
Jan 07 20:34:55 <haeffb> webster42: yes, if you have the SDK, you get the emulator. Don't have to have a device to develop.
Jan 07 20:35:01 <swisstomcat> tibfib: i asked my handler the same question: she said use your name
Jan 07 20:35:01 * atlanta is going to a freelance shit to do some work to buy these new expensive games 
Jan 07 20:35:01 <atlanta> lol
Jan 07 20:35:12 <webster42> fine fine
Jan 07 20:35:13 <gkatsev_zhunter> webster42: yes, you dont need a device, but it is better because some things just dont work exactly the same
Jan 07 20:35:19 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: and everything will be good? I wont have to worry about filling anything?
Jan 07 20:35:28 <CTLAdvance> atlanta - Yes and with vengence. I cant wait - I am wondering if I can get anything produced from unreal engine to work on this. Have to see what the output is
Jan 07 20:35:30 <Tibfib> filing*
Jan 07 20:35:33 <atlanta> gkatsev_zhunter: true like my webkit issue on the device
Jan 07 20:35:57 <atlanta> CTLAdvance: good luck brother i might be learning C/C++
Jan 07 20:35:59 <swisstomcat> tibfib: i initially filed with my "not real company" name
Jan 07 20:36:19 <Tibfib> were there problems?
Jan 07 20:36:38 <gkatsev_zhunter> also, audio issues
Jan 07 20:36:43 <gkatsev_zhunter> the emulator doesnt have audio atm
Jan 07 20:36:51 <swisstomcat> tibfib: i have to submit my app still .. no problems so far
Jan 07 20:36:58 <millenomi> PDK == want. I rest my case.
Jan 07 20:36:59 <sugardave> LoneStar99: sorry, man...that syntax I gave you is for forcing array notation on an object, so that you can do things like use a variable property...not sure why it's not working in this instance
Jan 07 20:37:08 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: hmmm.... I'll just be safe and use my real name
Jan 07 20:37:09 <CTLAdvance> Yeah - C/CPP are very powerfull but havent needed to use them in many many years. And now I have to regress from the fandangled language called java :/
Jan 07 20:37:15 <CTLAdvance> But hey I am not complaining
Jan 07 20:37:19 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: thanks for the help
Jan 07 20:37:24 <CTLAdvance> Ill take anything I can get!
Jan 07 20:37:25 <swisstomcat> tibfib: that's what she wrote "You should be able to enter your first and last name in lieu of a company name."
Jan 07 20:37:44 <millenomi> it's like a dream to me. I can now port cocotron and make my app's engine available to four platforms :D
Jan 07 20:37:47 <CTLAdvance> .me may need to buy these new fangled games
Jan 07 20:37:53 * CTLAdvance may need to buy these new fangled games
Jan 07 20:37:57 * sugardave is not going to have anything great for a while.  "I know 0 of these things: C, C++, Java, OpenGL."
Jan 07 20:38:22 <LoneStar99> sugardave: my code should work theoretically?
Jan 07 20:38:23 * CTLAdvance knows c very well, cPP is meh and OpenGL is nada
Jan 07 20:38:37 <Roy-Pre101> I'm in about the same boat CTLAdvance
Jan 07 20:38:42 <sugardave> LoneStar99: looks like it to me, kinda sloppy on the indentation, but I think it's right
Jan 07 20:39:14 * swisstomcat only knows scripting languages, no high level
Jan 07 20:39:17 <sugardave> I learned Pascal in high school, pointers and everything...how well will that knowledge serve for C learning?
Jan 07 20:39:18 <Deihmos> pre plus has more ram
Jan 07 20:39:22 <rwhitby> so who did the app catalog integration for precentral?
Jan 07 20:39:55 <sugardave> does anyone in this room even know what Pascal is?  you're all a bunch of kids/tweens aren't you? ;)
Jan 07 20:40:02 <millenomi> it will serve you well.
Jan 07 20:40:13 <gkatsev_zhunter> sugardave: i know what pascal is.
Jan 07 20:40:14 <sugardave> millenomi: yay, thanks!
Jan 07 20:40:18 * gkatsev_zhunter is 20
Jan 07 20:40:21 <CTLAdvance> mm pascal, they stopped teaching that before I hit college
Jan 07 20:40:22 <JustinM> hehe pascal was my first language
Jan 07 20:40:22 <Tibfib> rod: I'm guess jason
Jan 07 20:40:24 <JenP> sugardave isn't that a type of ice cream?
Jan 07 20:40:27 <CTLAdvance> or at least where I was
Jan 07 20:40:34 <sugardave> JenP: lol
Jan 07 20:40:36 <Tibfib> *guessing*
Jan 07 20:40:39 <incidentist> isn't Pascal what they used to use to calculate brontosaurus migration patterns?
Jan 07 20:40:53 <CTLAdvance> Mine was visual basic then C, then CPP then KarlJ Robot then Java
Jan 07 20:41:00 <swisstomcat> sugardave: hey, i still know pascal and turbo basic
Jan 07 20:41:08 <CTLAdvance> html/JS/CSS was there also since the beginning
Jan 07 20:41:09 <Roy-Pre101> heh.  I still use Delphi for some projects.
Jan 07 20:41:28 <sugardave> swisstomcat: never did turbobasic....I did some basic BASIC on a VIC-20 :D
Jan 07 20:41:34 <JustinM> sugardave: in high school we learned pascal as an introductory to c/c++, so i'd say you're on the right track
Jan 07 20:42:08 <sugardave> alright, there's hope...now I just need infinite resources so I can spend the time to learn ;)
Jan 07 20:42:21 <CTLAdvance> rob a bank cough
Jan 07 20:42:26 <CTLAdvance> who said that
Jan 07 20:42:28 <Bmyers> VIC-20? u r old..
Jan 07 20:42:29 <CTLAdvance> ?
Jan 07 20:42:31 <sugardave> there's no money in robbing banks :D
Jan 07 20:43:04 <dawm__> what the hell
Jan 07 20:43:04 <swisstomcat> my first DOS was version 2.11 on 5 1/4 floppies
Jan 07 20:43:09 <swisstomcat> hey metaview
Jan 07 20:43:17 <dawm__> i goto work on my off day and come home and the whole palm world has changed
Jan 07 20:43:30 <sugardave> dawm__: you missed some great stuff
Jan 07 20:43:35 <Bmyers> sugardave: i had to learn pascal in my CS classes...
Jan 07 20:43:40 <sugardave> swisstomcat: got me beat, my first DOS was 3.0
Jan 07 20:43:52 <sugardave> 3.5"
Jan 07 20:44:06 <CTLAdvance> Sorry sugardave get a govt bailout
Jan 07 20:44:17 <swisstomcat> sugardave: yeah, i'm getting old
Jan 07 20:44:28 <sugardave> swisstomcat: yes, but the Swiss age well ;)
Jan 07 20:44:33 <jfelectron> Bmyers:  We start with Lisp here at berkeley
Jan 07 20:44:36 <swisstomcat> heh
Jan 07 20:44:40 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: no doubt, I missed all the bailout stuff
Jan 07 20:44:56 <jfelectron> LISP= bracket hell
Jan 07 20:45:01 <CTLAdvance> CTL Advance National bank needs only 1.278 billion to survive
Jan 07 20:45:03 <Bmyers> my instructor spoke with a lisp, that count?
Jan 07 20:45:13 <doohan> CTLAdvance, only eh?
Jan 07 20:45:21 <jfelectron> Bmyers: lol...was he object oriented?
Jan 07 20:45:29 * atlanta has created his OSS account atlantaOSS it is
Jan 07 20:45:31 <doohan> I think I might have that down the back of the sofa...
Jan 07 20:45:41 <Bmyers> every time he said version it sounded like virgin...
Jan 07 20:45:41 * swisstomcat is reducing his day job to do more webos stuff
Jan 07 20:45:42 <CTLAdvance> Yep... and we can settle in bankruptcy court and come out with only barrowing .987 billion :D
Jan 07 20:45:48 <Bmyers> messed me up everytime he said it..
Jan 07 20:45:57 <swisstomcat> atlanta: used another e-mail adress i guess?
Jan 07 20:46:21 <atlanta> yup just added a forwarder on that email to my main account
Jan 07 20:46:32 <swisstomcat> ah, good idea
Jan 07 20:46:51 <MetaView> hi
Jan 07 20:47:02 <sugardave> should I be concerned that javascript will screw up my understanding of oop in c++?
Jan 07 20:47:02 <atlanta> MetaView: hellow
Jan 07 20:47:13 <atlanta> sugardave: only if ur mind cant handle it
Jan 07 20:47:25 <CTLAdvance> App reporting also gives breakdown by state
Jan 07 20:47:27 <CTLAdvance> this is sweet
Jan 07 20:47:31 <swisstomcat> metaview: fahrplan is now on precentral/preware
Jan 07 20:47:33 <sugardave> it does?
Jan 07 20:47:36 <sugardave> missed that
Jan 07 20:47:47 <sugardave> atlanta: well, that is a distinct possibility
Jan 07 20:47:51 <swisstomcat> sugardave: javascript oop is not "real" oop
Jan 07 20:48:31 <atlanta> CTLAdvance: is that for ur paid app
Jan 07 20:48:31 <atlanta> ?
Jan 07 20:48:36 <RoboticClone> how many people have said "Woo 1.4!" so far?
Jan 07 20:48:37 <sugardave> swisstomcat: you mean it's not "classical oop"
Jan 07 20:48:40 <jfelectron> "Be sure your IPK file is no larger than 200MB in size"    good lord
Jan 07 20:48:46 <sugardave> 1.4?
Jan 07 20:48:55 <JustinM> sugardave: coming from c/c++, i had a lot of trouble getting used to javascript. i've always despised the language b/c of it's oddities. but i'm getting used to it
Jan 07 20:48:56 <atlanta> http://projectappetite.com/+
Jan 07 20:48:57 <atlanta> http://projectappetite.com/
Jan 07 20:48:58 <Bmyers> I am a pro (bono) at Professional Object Oriented Programming..
Jan 07 20:49:15 <Bmyers> i'm a poop programmer..
Jan 07 20:49:20 <jfelectron> JustinM: yes, same here
Jan 07 20:49:20 <RoboticClone> 1.4 the next big update
Jan 07 20:49:39 <atlanta> RoboticClone: who knew
Jan 07 20:49:40 <atlanta> lol
Jan 07 20:49:49 <atlanta> RoboticClone: where did u get that info from
Jan 07 20:49:49 <atlanta> ?
Jan 07 20:50:06 <Bmyers> the inquierer?
Jan 07 20:50:11 <jfelectron> JustinM: I've quickly warmed to the wacky ways of JS....things you can't dream of in strongly typed languages
Jan 07 20:50:12 <RoboticClone> lmao Engadget
Jan 07 20:50:25 * atlanta hopes RoboticClone had his sarcasm detector on 
Jan 07 20:50:25 <atlanta> lmfao
Jan 07 20:50:26 <jfelectron> JustinM: well you can dream, but they
Jan 07 20:50:32 <jfelectron> they'd be nightmares
Jan 07 20:50:40 <sugardave> JustinM: I read this really good book about what you should ignore in javascript and it has a section comparing classical and prototypical inheritance in object-orientededness
Jan 07 20:50:57 <atlanta> i need to learn OOP like Bmyers
Jan 07 20:51:19 <jfelectron> sugardave: crockford has some pieces on that
Jan 07 20:51:33 <sugardave> jfelectron: that's the one
Jan 07 20:51:49 <atlanta> hopefully palm can delete my appupdate fast enough
Jan 07 20:51:51 <jfelectron> sugardave: much of it is on his website
Jan 07 20:51:53 <atlanta> going on forever now
Jan 07 20:51:54 <haeffb> crockford has a whole book on it
Jan 07 20:52:04 <JustinM> Javascript: The Good Parts ?
Jan 07 20:52:08 <sugardave> that's it
Jan 07 20:52:11 <haeffb> jfelectron: works in a dialog, but had to add a HEIGHT to everything
Jan 07 20:52:31 <jfelectron> haeffb: a height to all the elements I assume?
Jan 07 20:52:50 <jfelectron> haeffb: thanks for testing, good to know
Jan 07 20:52:51 <JustinM> hehe, sounds like that guy is on the same brainwave as me
Jan 07 20:53:14 <ambackstrom> Asphalt 5 installing. The suspense kills.
Jan 07 20:53:15 <haeffb> no, height to everything class in CSS
Jan 07 20:53:21 <haeffb> class? selector? whatever.
Jan 07 20:53:29 <haeffb> height: 320;
Jan 07 20:53:36 <RoboticClone> yeah the app store is crawling right now
Jan 07 20:53:44 <haeffb> it has a width, but no height
Jan 07 20:54:10 <JustinM> my battery is already dead, so can't view the store :). i spent too much time on IRC on the phone this morning
Jan 07 20:54:14 <jfelectron> haeffb: ahh OK...I'd think setting just the height of the 'everything' container div would work
Jan 07 20:54:35 <JenP> i really like the new palm dev layout
Jan 07 20:54:38 <haeffb> right. that's what I did.
Jan 07 20:54:52 <haeffb> except in the CSS rather than the HTML
Jan 07 20:55:18 * CTLAdvance need an external battery charger to charge the three standard device batteries so can utilize 3d gaming
Jan 07 20:55:23 <haeffb> need to add R,G,B textfields to allow manual entry of the color
Jan 07 20:55:27 <jfelectron> haeffb: yeah, I stripped all the style from the HTML
Jan 07 20:55:57 <jfelectron> haeffb: need to remove the body through a:hover at the top of the stylesheet...will create probs
Jan 07 20:57:08 <haeffb> jfelectron: and the width needs to be slightly narrower for the dialog. dialog wants a border of about 5px...?
Jan 07 20:57:20 <haeffb> so it's shifted to the right and goes slighly off screen
Jan 07 20:57:25 <jfelectron> haeffb: thought that might be the case
Jan 07 20:58:05 <jfelectron> haeffb: might get rid of the colored background, just have a preview square
Jan 07 20:58:57 <haeffb> jfelectron: that would work. You want me to package up this dialog version and send it back?
Jan 07 20:58:57 <glass552> playing ashpalt 5 :-)
Jan 07 20:59:14 <jfelectron> haeffb: sure, if you don't mind...
Jan 07 21:00:05 <RoboticClone> glass552: How is it?
Jan 07 21:00:36 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: where do you see the state breakdown?
Jan 07 21:00:37 <glass552> it has sound!
Jan 07 21:00:39 <glass552> :-)
Jan 07 21:00:58 <RoboticClone> its still downloading on my device
Jan 07 21:01:10 <RoboticClone> I'd say 98%
Jan 07 21:01:32 <dawm__> sugardave,
Jan 07 21:01:38 <sugardave> dawm__: yo
Jan 07 21:01:42 <jfelectron> haeffb: I'll be back later....ciao
Jan 07 21:01:43 <dawm__> goto reports
Jan 07 21:01:48 <sugardave> right
Jan 07 21:01:48 <dawm__> pick a month
Jan 07 21:01:51 <sugardave> yep
Jan 07 21:01:53 <dawm__> then pick a version of the app
Jan 07 21:01:59 <sugardave> oooooohhhhhh
Jan 07 21:02:10 <dawm__> :)
Jan 07 21:02:14 <sugardave> nice
Jan 07 21:02:15 <Tibfib> should I resubmit my application that I sent in yesterday via email?
Jan 07 21:02:15 <sugardave> thanks
Jan 07 21:02:26 <dawm__> Tibfib, no
Jan 07 21:02:36 <sugardave> Tibfib: you should wait until you/it are in the dev portal
Jan 07 21:03:03 <Tibfib> okay thanks
Jan 07 21:03:07 <dawm__> all the email was for was to setup your acct in the dev portal, you still had to submit thru the dev portal, so just use the portal since its all live now
Jan 07 21:03:33 <Tibfib> that sounds good... uploading it now
Jan 07 21:04:12 <dawm__> ugh
Jan 07 21:04:14 <swisstomcat> my first app is free and open source .. guess i have to create another account for that
Jan 07 21:04:52 <dawm__> i really have to finish my site, i hate how it looks.. palm did a revamp i guess i should take notice and do the same
Jan 07 21:05:01 <dawm__> sometimes i hate being lazy
Jan 07 21:05:52 <glass552> ok, I'm so happy to have Asphalt!
Jan 07 21:05:56 <glass552> i can't wait for NFS
Jan 07 21:05:58 <glass552> but this rocks
Jan 07 21:06:00 <dawm__> heh
Jan 07 21:06:01 <glass552> a full racing game
Jan 07 21:06:09 <glass552> awesome accelorometer controls
Jan 07 21:06:11 <glass552> it's FAST
Jan 07 21:06:15 <dawm__> ive got $0.. have to wait till tomorrow when paycheck hits the acct
Jan 07 21:06:16 <RoboticClone> wasnt NFS supposed to be released today?
Jan 07 21:06:26 <Tibfib> it will be in there later
Jan 07 21:06:30 <Tibfib> probably
Jan 07 21:06:34 <dawm__> its in there now
Jan 07 21:06:36 <dawm__> i just checked
Jan 07 21:06:40 <dawm__> 6.99 like the rest
Jan 07 21:06:54 <RoboticClone> darn I would have bought that over asphalt
Jan 07 21:07:02 <RoboticClone> I looked a few min ago
Jan 07 21:07:04 <RoboticClone> wasnt there
Jan 07 21:07:06 <RoboticClone> of well
Jan 07 21:07:12 <RoboticClone> *oh
Jan 07 21:07:20 <RoboticClone> I can wait two weeks
Jan 07 21:07:34 <glass552> i think ashpalt prolly paid palm to release theirs first, otherwise nobody would have dl'd it over NFS
Jan 07 21:07:35 <Tibfib> still isn't there on mine
Jan 07 21:08:03 <RoboticClone> glass552 how long did it take to install?
Jan 07 21:08:19 <gkatsev_zhunter> should be out today, but gonna come out later today probably
Jan 07 21:09:50 <glass552> it took like 12 or 13 minutes to install
Jan 07 21:09:57 <CTLAdvance> My guess is anything that comes out of unreal engine 3 should work here...
Jan 07 21:09:57 <JenP> hi Adora!
Jan 07 21:09:59 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Jan 07 21:10:10 <Adora> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Jan 07 21:10:16 <RoboticClone> jesus thats long
Jan 07 21:10:17 <Adora> OMFG YOU GUYS
Jan 07 21:10:23 <yetdog> Adora!
Jan 07 21:10:39 <RoboticClone> Hi Adora
Jan 07 21:11:02 <yetdog> Must be pretty wild down there. Wish I could have swung it :(
Jan 07 21:11:03 <RoboticClone> they have to do something about that, its too damn long of a wait
Jan 07 21:11:20 <glass552> that's why there's background install :-)
Jan 07 21:11:32 <RoboticClone> even so
Jan 07 21:12:12 <RoboticClone> ok done
Jan 07 21:12:24 <yetdog> anyone played asphalt yet?
Jan 07 21:12:46 <RoboticClone> gonna play it now
Jan 07 21:12:52 <RoboticClone> after a 10min install...
Jan 07 21:12:53 <Bmyers> hi Adora..
Jan 07 21:12:59 <JenP> yetdog i'm trying but already go application fail
Jan 07 21:13:37 <RoboticClone> its multi lingual
Jan 07 21:14:19 <scasplte2> I just played asphalt
Jan 07 21:14:20 <RoboticClone> very snappy interface
Jan 07 21:14:29 <scasplte2> it is suprisingly responsive
Jan 07 21:14:49 <RoboticClone> yeah
Jan 07 21:15:05 <RoboticClone> and decent load timess for races
Jan 07 21:15:07 <Bmyers> where is asphalt?
Jan 07 21:15:43 <scasplte2> Bmyers I found it by clicking on recent in the app catalog
Jan 07 21:15:52 <JenP> wow! i'm impressed!
Jan 07 21:16:05 <Bmyers> o , i was looking in preware.
Jan 07 21:16:15 <glass552> now the question is, to auto accelerate or not
Jan 07 21:16:39 <yetdog> i might buy it
Jan 07 21:16:45 <yetdog> wanna encourage these companies to write more apps too
Jan 07 21:16:53 <yetdog> cant wait for boggle to be native :)
Jan 07 21:17:45 <RoboticClone> In terms of graphics its like Need for Speed 2 on the PC
Jan 07 21:18:11 <scasplte2> Anyone tried X-Plane?
Jan 07 21:18:23 <RoboticClone> not yet
Jan 07 21:18:57 <CTLAdvance> Thats odd
Jan 07 21:19:01 <CTLAdvance> I dont see nfs yet
Jan 07 21:19:15 <scasplte2> I didn't see it either
Jan 07 21:19:43 <CTLAdvance> Does someone actually see it? I only see assplat
Jan 07 21:19:47 <CTLAdvance> I mean asphault
Jan 07 21:20:00 <CTLAdvance> er however it is spelled
Jan 07 21:20:02 <CTLAdvance> :)
Jan 07 21:20:26 <CTLAdvance> Good afternoon Adora
Jan 07 21:21:04 <yetdog> wonder how large asphalt is. taking a while to download
Jan 07 21:21:25 <RoboticClone> yetdog: i was wondering the same thing
Jan 07 21:21:33 <yetdog> maybe just the servers getting hit, too
Jan 07 21:21:41 <yetdog> robotic do you have dev mode enabled?
Jan 07 21:21:54 <RoboticClone> yep
Jan 07 21:21:55 <yetdog> should be able to do a du on the directory
Jan 07 21:22:13 <RoboticClone> can i check it via internalz?
Jan 07 21:22:26 <RoboticClone> i dont have novacom on this PC
Jan 07 21:22:33 <yetdog> ah
Jan 07 21:22:38 <yetdog> i will check as soon as its down d/ling
Jan 07 21:23:10 <sugardave> terminal
Jan 07 21:23:13 <sugardave> ?
Jan 07 21:23:41 <muchtall> I've got terminal up, where would I look?
Jan 07 21:23:51 <yetdog> i think /media/cryptofs?
Jan 07 21:23:56 <yetdog> lemme see
Jan 07 21:23:59 <muchtall> at 60% right now
Jan 07 21:24:05 <Laxidasical> Hello All
Jan 07 21:24:51 <sugardave> Adora: oh, HI
Jan 07 21:24:54 <RoboticClone> yeah im looking in there...
Jan 07 21:24:55 <yetdog> lol sorry muchtall, i really dont know
Jan 07 21:25:13 <Adora> heya sugardave
Jan 07 21:25:16 <Laxidasical> I have a quick question.  I submitted my app to Palm via email 2 days ago.  Now that the new app submission process has been opened up to the public, should I re-submit there as well?
Jan 07 21:25:23 <Deihmos> i just bought 3 games just to see how they look
Jan 07 21:25:39 <muchtall> asphalt is big
Jan 07 21:25:42 <muchtall> 70MB so far
Jan 07 21:25:46 <RoboticClone> its over 200mb
Jan 07 21:25:49 <Deihmos> where is need for speed
Jan 07 21:25:51 <muchtall> at about 65%
Jan 07 21:25:55 <Adora> Laxidasical: nah, nothing will get lost
Jan 07 21:25:58 <RoboticClone> one file is 189mb alone
Jan 07 21:26:06 <Deihmos> i thought asphalt was need for speed lol
Jan 07 21:26:14 <muchtall> same here
Jan 07 21:26:14 <Deihmos> good think i am on wifi now
Jan 07 21:26:16 <swisstomcat> i can't change my existing account at palm to an open source account ... but i can't change it
Jan 07 21:26:21 <Adora> just hang tight for now...if we need you to do something else, chuq or one of the handlers will contact you
Jan 07 21:27:05 <swisstomcat> i can see that "open source developer" is set to "no", but i can't change it
Jan 07 21:27:07 <Deihmos> wow impressive
Jan 07 21:27:14 <RoboticClone> 207mb
Jan 07 21:27:27 <RoboticClone> i counted lol
Jan 07 21:27:46 <yetdog> i am so darn excited about this platform. up to par w/ the iphone on obvious stuff. (hardware access, mic input, games) and now we need 1.4 to have the GPU enabled in the GUI, which im guessing it will in re: to the speed improvements on tap
Jan 07 21:28:01 <swisstomcat> in my other account for future paid apps, i can change the account type .. strange
Jan 07 21:28:08 <Deihmos> i am impressed
Jan 07 21:28:10 <Laxidasical> Adora: Thanks!  Also, was I suppose to receive an automated message or something to let me know you received the e-mail?
Jan 07 21:28:18 <Deihmos> people are saying the pre plus has 512Mb of ram
Jan 07 21:28:18 <RoboticClone> I'm still concerned about battery life
Jan 07 21:28:25 <Deihmos> i don't understand where they got that from
Jan 07 21:28:39 <RoboticClone> I think Palm would have mentioned that Deihmos
Jan 07 21:28:44 <swisstomcat> deihmos: they said "double the memory"
Jan 07 21:28:45 <Deihmos> battery life has never been an issue
Jan 07 21:28:45 <JustinM> battery life is definitely an issue... hopefully they'll be able to improve it over time
Jan 07 21:28:50 <Deihmos> i have charges everywere
Jan 07 21:28:54 <Adora> Laxidasical: unfortunately no
Jan 07 21:29:06 <swisstomcat> adora@palm?
Jan 07 21:29:06 <JustinM> my pre lasted less than 5 hours today before the battery was completely dead
Jan 07 21:29:23 <Deihmos> what kind of email do you have and where you on it a lot
Jan 07 21:29:36 <Adora> swisstomcat: what's left of her is  =]
Jan 07 21:29:38 <RoboticClone> Well I did one race in asphalt and I lost 2%
Jan 07 21:29:54 <RoboticClone> which isnt bad at all
Jan 07 21:29:55 <Laxidasical> I think that was meant as "double the storage memory", not RAM
Jan 07 21:30:01 <swisstomcat> adora: did u see my question regarding open source developer?
Jan 07 21:30:17 <yetdog> Laxidasical: i read double the RAM, double the ROM
Jan 07 21:30:34 <yetdog> 512MB RAM in the plus
Jan 07 21:30:35 * yetdog is jealous
Jan 07 21:30:38 <Deihmos> http://twitter.com/webosinternals
Jan 07 21:30:46 <Deihmos> nah i don't think the ram was updated
Jan 07 21:30:58 <Deihmos> 512MB is a big jump would cost a lot
Jan 07 21:31:06 <yetdog> Deihmos your twitter link says tihs:
Jan 07 21:31:08 <yetdog> "Confirmed in IRC that Palm Pre Plus is 512MB RAM."
Jan 07 21:31:21 <Deihmos> i know but i think they misunderstood the slide
Jan 07 21:31:25 <Adora> swisstomcat: yeah, send it to pdn@palm.com
Jan 07 21:31:50 <yetdog> i love that my app is features on the precentral.net app catalog site :)
Jan 07 21:31:53 <yetdog> featured*
Jan 07 21:31:56 <swisstomcat> adora: the question? :)
Jan 07 21:32:05 <Laxidasical> Adora: Thanks!
Jan 07 21:32:06 <glass552> NFS out!!
Jan 07 21:32:29 <Deihmos> really impressed with the graphics in these games
Jan 07 21:32:37 <Laxidasical> yetdog: What is your app?
Jan 07 21:32:38 <yetdog> lol glass552 - as i am still downloading asphalt
Jan 07 21:32:42 <yetdog> Ants Tour Central
Jan 07 21:33:01 <Deihmos> i cannot believe i just spent all that money on a bunch of games that i wouldn't play
Jan 07 21:33:05 <yetdog> currently putting the finishing touches on v2 :)
Jan 07 21:33:15 <glass552> why won't you play them
Jan 07 21:33:16 <Deihmos> shit need for speed is 10 bucks
Jan 07 21:33:25 <Deihmos> i drive to work
Jan 07 21:33:29 <JenP> hey adora how longs it taking on average to get apps through the "being reviewed"?
Jan 07 21:33:49 <Deihmos> if i switch to the train then maybe i will play
Jan 07 21:34:10 <yetdog> JenP my last update took about two weeks...
Jan 07 21:34:18 <JenP> wow!
Jan 07 21:34:21 <yetdog> but that was over the holiday season (not that it seemed that palm took any time off!)
Jan 07 21:34:31 <JenP> lol
Jan 07 21:34:35 <yetdog> my initial submission was quick - about 3 days i believe
Jan 07 21:35:19 <Laxidasical> yetdog: were you in the early access program?
Jan 07 21:35:23 <yetdog> well, i got rejected after about a week. then 3 days after resubmit i was in
Jan 07 21:35:29 <yetdog> Laxidasical: yes, i was lucky enough to get into that
Jan 07 21:35:51 <swisstomcat> adora: thanks .. mail sent
Jan 07 21:36:36 <Laxidasical> I submitted my first app 2 days ago (via email).  Just wondering what the average wait time was to hear back for non early access program devs is.
Jan 07 21:37:36 <JustinM> i've heard it taking one day in some cases, or several months in others (that was an extreme case)
Jan 07 21:38:33 <LoneStar99> Laxidasical: you didn't zip your app did you?
Jan 07 21:41:28 <Laxidasical> LoneStar99: No, I attached it as a regular IPK
Jan 07 21:41:56 <swisstomcat> i got a note from chuq today that they received my app submittal
Jan 07 21:42:19 <RoboticClone> NFS is $10!
Jan 07 21:42:36 <RoboticClone> I'm gonna wait on this one
Jan 07 21:42:53 <Zarabadoo> RoboticClone: I believe that is what it costs on apple's app store
Jan 07 21:43:56 * RoboticClone shrugs
Jan 07 21:44:21 <RoboticClone> I shall check ishitTunes catalog now
Jan 07 21:44:22 <Laxidasical> I guess I'll just patiently wait until I hear something.  If anyone from Palm is here and is feeling sympathetic, they can check on my app: com.mojackllc.mojack_1.0.0_all.ipk *snicker*
Jan 07 21:45:45 <LoneStar99> Laxidasical: ok, cool, i made the mistake of zipping my app, and it took like 1 month plus, cuzz Palm servers stripped the zipped file outa da email
Jan 07 21:45:53 <Deihmos> what exactly is pdk
Jan 07 21:46:34 <RoboticClone> PDK is a new widget system that allows you to use C++
Jan 07 21:46:55 <RoboticClone> prolly more complicated than that but thats the jist i got
Jan 07 21:47:16 <Laxidasical> LoneStar: Did you include screen shots as well?
Jan 07 21:47:40 <LoneStar99> nope, just an email, and zipped files twice
Jan 07 21:48:20 <Zarabadoo> The way I under stand it is that PDK allows you to add your own compiled binaries to the phone and reference them as needed
Jan 07 21:50:11 <Deihmos> these 3d games run really fast
Jan 07 21:50:26 <Zarabadoo> nice and smooth so far.
Jan 07 21:50:42 <RoboticClone> need for speed is $5 on itunes...
Jan 07 21:50:59 <sugardave> Deihmos: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1850&Itemid=20
Jan 07 21:51:06 <Zarabadoo> RoboticClone: I guess they are ttrying to take advantage of that rush for games.
Jan 07 21:51:30 <RoboticClone> and asphalt 5 is $5
Jan 07 21:52:02 <RoboticClone> Zarabadoo you're prolly right
Jan 07 21:54:30 <yetdog> i cant wait to see shazam on the pre :)
Jan 07 21:54:55 <Shiggity> yetdog: Ditto
Jan 07 21:55:01 <Zarabadoo> that would be nice
Jan 07 21:55:06 <yetdog> assuming thats now possible w/ PDK
Jan 07 21:55:31 <scasplte2> I know this is asking a lot but is there anyway to backup your homebrew stuff (patches, apps) so that if you webos doc you can restore more quickly?
Jan 07 21:55:39 <rwhitby> sugardave: BTW, http://bit.ly/palm-sdk ;-)
Jan 07 21:55:50 <Shiggity> The real thing I want is that Android app that scans barcodes ported now.
Jan 07 21:55:53 <rwhitby> oops: http://bit.ly/palm-pdk
Jan 07 21:56:37 <Zarabadoo> yetdog: I believe it would be. sounds like any sort of compiled binary would be allowed
Jan 07 21:57:27 <Laxidasical> Shiggity: Ditto!  If I weren't knee deep in my second app I'd look more into doing it myself...
Jan 07 21:57:34 <Deihmos> nneed for speed is 10 on pre
Jan 07 21:57:35 <RoboticClone> I agree with you guys. Shazam would be awesome as would that barcode scanner app
Jan 07 21:57:36 <lyht> scasplte2: Not an easy way.
Jan 07 21:57:43 <rwhitby> if you want to develop PDK stuff today, use http://bit.ly/webos-internals-pdk which uses Palm's libSDL libraries.
Jan 07 21:57:54 <RoboticClone> Deihmos: its $5 on Itunes
Jan 07 21:57:58 <lyht> Bar code scanner gonna be hard on the pre
Jan 07 21:58:03 <lyht> even with pdk
Jan 07 21:58:11 <Deihmos> EA trying to milk the Pre since they are first
Jan 07 21:58:11 <lyht> the problem is the camera
Jan 07 21:58:18 <funkatron> Sorry for crosspost: would folks like to get access to a user.js file that would allow people to customize Spaz in any way they want? We have that in the desktop version right now
Jan 07 21:58:24 <Deihmos> don't have an ipod
Jan 07 21:58:43 <Deihmos> can you buy stuff and download them OTA with the ipod?
Jan 07 21:58:48 <lyht> it does not have a good macro ability, and the bar codes are all fuzzy. Not really readable. I have tried.
Jan 07 21:58:58 <RoboticClone> Deihmos: Yes you can
Jan 07 21:59:11 <Laxidasical> Deihmos: You can with the iPhone & Touch
Jan 07 21:59:15 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: downloading at the moment
Jan 07 21:59:17 <Deihmos> i am sure i remember hearing you need to connect to pc for updates and what not
Jan 07 21:59:26 <lyht> funkatron: dont use spaz, but sounds cool
Jan 07 21:59:32 <RoboticClone> you need to for firmware updates
Jan 07 21:59:47 <funkatron> lyht: *nod* I'd like to make it available for monkeypatching and junk
Jan 07 21:59:48 <RoboticClone> but games and apps you can do it right on the device
Jan 07 21:59:55 <Deihmos> don't think i could ever own an ipod
Jan 07 21:59:59 <funkatron> Also would like to allow for user provided themes and UI customization
Jan 07 21:59:59 <Deihmos> too many limitations
Jan 07 22:00:08 <Zarabadoo> Deihmos: yes, OS and firmware updates require itunes
Jan 07 22:00:15 <Shiggity> Laxidasical: I need to get up to speed on programming my pre then I could freggin do it myself.
Jan 07 22:00:24 <RoboticClone> I'm pretty happy with my first gen iPod touch
Jan 07 22:00:25 <Zarabadoo> only reason I own an iPod Touch is because it was given to me
Jan 07 22:00:41 <RoboticClone> I only like it because of the apps
Jan 07 22:00:41 <Deihmos> what i don't liek about them is that they require itunes
Jan 07 22:00:48 <Shiggity> lyht: Ahh, I forgot about the camera.
Jan 07 22:00:49 <Laxidasical> Deihmos: It's actually a great device.  As much as I love my Pre, there just isn't anything that compares with the iPod line as far as entertainment goes.
Jan 07 22:01:23 <Deihmos> i sometimes download a video and put on my pre to view during lunch
Jan 07 22:01:24 <sugardave> the web app distribution thing is pretty nice
Jan 07 22:01:32 <Deihmos> with the ipod i need itunes
Jan 07 22:01:44 <Deihmos> is the web thing up?
Jan 07 22:01:47 <Zarabadoo> Deihmos: the thing that I find most annoying is that you cannot access that memory space at all without itunes. Sometimes I would like to use it as a flashdrive to move files.
Jan 07 22:01:59 <sugardave> rwhitby: that link is no workie
Jan 07 22:02:08 <sugardave> oh
Jan 07 22:02:09 <sugardave> wait
Jan 07 22:02:19 <swisstomcat> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ScratchBox2_cross_compiling_with_SDL
Jan 07 22:02:34 <Deihmos> is scrabble from EA on itunes?
Jan 07 22:02:48 <yetdog> yes Deihmos
Jan 07 22:02:53 <Deihmos> is it multiplayer
Jan 07 22:02:57 <sugardave> rwhitby: oh, I see what you did there :P
Jan 07 22:02:57 <rwhitby> discussion of webos-internals-pdk should be in #webos-internals, since it is not the official Palm PDK
Jan 07 22:03:28 <rwhitby> (but it uses the Palm PDK libraries that these new games use)
Jan 07 22:03:49 <kesne> Hey all
Jan 07 22:03:58 <LoneStar99> hello
Jan 07 22:04:02 <RoboticClone> Deihmos: I will check
Jan 07 22:04:06 <swisstomcat> hello
Jan 07 22:04:15 <yetdog> asphalt crashes. nice
Jan 07 22:04:18 <yetdog> reboot perhaps?
Jan 07 22:04:55 <Deihmos> these games perform really well
Jan 07 22:05:03 <Deihmos> fast
Jan 07 22:05:24 <Laxidasical> Hello kesne
Jan 07 22:05:25 <swisstomcat> sniff
Jan 07 22:05:33 <kesne> Laxidasical: Do I know you?
Jan 07 22:06:32 <Shiggity> Deihmos: Which did you get?
Jan 07 22:06:37 <Shiggity> Game that is.
Jan 07 22:06:48 <RoboticClone> Deihmos: its on sale for $3 normally $6 and I dont know if it supports wireless multiplayer
Jan 07 22:07:11 <yetdog> i cant wait for the boggle/scramble game to make it to the pre
Jan 07 22:07:17 <yetdog> with live multiplayer over the net
Jan 07 22:07:19 <RoboticClone> Deihmos: a word of caution; the reviews for it on iTunes are pretty bad
Jan 07 22:07:27 <Laxidasical> kesne: No...yoy said "Hey all", I was simply saying hello Back.
Jan 07 22:07:37 <kesne> Oh, well hello! :)
Jan 07 22:07:42 <Laxidasical> LOL
Jan 07 22:08:32 <RoboticClone> alrighty I'm off to work
Jan 07 22:08:35 <RoboticClone> I'll bbl
Jan 07 22:09:38 <Deihmos> i got need for speed
Jan 07 22:09:46 <rwhitby> kesne: who did the precentral app gallery integration for palm app catalog?
Jan 07 22:10:20 <kesne> rwhitby: Dieter, why?
Jan 07 22:10:28 <Deihmos> can you view the ipod applications and reviews without itunes
Jan 07 22:11:12 <Laxidasical> Does the app gallery get apps on the fly, or is the feed updated daily?  I noticed Need For Speed and the other new apps aren't in there
Jan 07 22:11:45 <lyht> It is cached on your phone
Jan 07 22:11:45 <kesne> Laxidasical: The feed updates daily
Jan 07 22:12:02 <lyht> oh, you mean on precentral?
Jan 07 22:12:13 <lyht> :P
Jan 07 22:16:13 <summatusmentis> argh... now I have no idea what phone I want in June ;.;
Jan 07 22:18:37 <lyht> pre still has an edge with 16g
Jan 07 22:19:41 <swisstomcat> some stuff is not supported on the pixi
Jan 07 22:23:46 <summatusmentis> oh, yeah, I was sort of talking about Nexus One vs. Pre
Jan 07 22:23:51 <summatusmentis> but I'm with you
Jan 07 22:24:05 <lyht> mmm nexus. Looks cool also.
Jan 07 22:29:01 <LoneStar99> how would i make the following dynamic "this.controller.get('sScroll').style.display = "none";      'sScroll' needs to become dynamic DIV
Jan 07 22:29:04 <_lance_> Back
Jan 07 22:29:11 <_lance_> Well.. it was considerably less than $700 after some trickery
Jan 07 22:29:33 <lyht> _lance_: nice. You got it already!? that was fast.
Jan 07 22:29:45 <_lance_> the old one though, for $99 on a 2-year.
Jan 07 22:29:56 <_lance_> $200 to cancel the old line
Jan 07 22:30:01 <_lance_> and $35 to activate
Jan 07 22:30:46 <lyht> Now you need this:
Jan 07 22:30:46 <lyht> http://www.precentral.net/how-add-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes
Jan 07 22:30:57 <_lance_> yup.. still working on settings first :)
Jan 07 22:32:28 <Epix> Does anyone know how to change the email address of your palm account?
Jan 07 22:32:45 <Epix> In My Account you can only change the password and question
Jan 07 22:33:26 <rwhitby> SpeedyMarks needs to proof-read their Speed Limit app catalog submission
Jan 07 22:42:25 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: What do you need exactly?
Jan 07 22:42:37 <lyht> While I am glad to see the $50 submission fee, because of it's ability to limit the crap-apps... I now have to worry, will my app sell enough to justify the cost...
Jan 07 22:42:48 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: You want to insert a DIV dynamically?
Jan 07 22:43:23 <lyht> and my mouse hovers over "Agree and Pay"...
Jan 07 22:43:23 <LoneStar99> actually I will post the simple code on pastebin
Jan 07 22:44:10 <lyht> And I am kicking myself I didn't submit it yesterday!
Jan 07 22:45:16 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: http://pastebin.com/d15b02d87
Jan 07 22:45:50 <LoneStar99> everything works hard-coded but it seems crappy and redundant
Jan 07 22:47:25 <jfelectron> what do you want to be dynamic?
Jan 07 22:48:02 <jfelectron> you want to set bgIT dynamically?
Jan 07 22:50:54 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: The tap event includes the target...so you can have one function and figure out what the target was from the event and swap images accordingly
Jan 07 22:51:00 <Shiggity> lyht: I thought it was free right now. Does it cost to submit an app?
Jan 07 22:51:20 <lyht> if you are going to charge for it, yet.
Jan 07 22:51:32 <lyht> I think they are waving the $99 signup fee still.
Jan 07 22:51:43 <lyht> but paid apps cost $50 to submit
Jan 07 22:51:56 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: instead of having to write this "BgAssistant.prototype.b1 = function(){ this.controller.get(bgIt).setStyle({ backgroundImage: 'url(images/bg/bg1.jpg)'});} "  X times I want some sort of loop
Jan 07 22:51:57 <Shiggity> Ahhhh
Jan 07 22:52:05 <Laxidasical> It's free to sign up as a developer if you weren't in the eary access program.  That will change in the future though, I think it will be $99
Jan 07 22:53:24 <LoneStar99> BgAssistant.prototype.b1  'b1'  needs to change to 'b2' 'b3" etc....
Jan 07 22:57:07 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: So you want an array of images and loop through them
Jan 07 22:57:12 <jfelectron> ?
Jan 07 22:58:39 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: let me just explain: I have 5 div's each has an unique ID, so when a user taps on div 1 - image 1 displays... and so on
Jan 07 22:59:24 <jfelectron> OK...got it. You really want five divs? Why not loop over them in response to touch?
Jan 07 22:59:31 <jfelectron> tap rather
Jan 07 22:59:39 <LoneStar99> <div id=1><img 1></div> <div id=2><img 2></div> etc....
Jan 07 23:00:07 <etx> Hey my pre is booting really slowly, any ssh command I could use 'like dmsg or something' so see if their is an error it's hanging on?
Jan 07 23:00:24 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: how would I do your solution?
Jan 07 23:00:53 <jfelectron> Well, which would you prefer...five touch targets each linked to an image or a single one that loops over them?
Jan 07 23:02:28 <LoneStar99> a single one that loops over them, i currently have 5 divs...
Jan 07 23:02:46 <LoneStar99> and it seems kind cheap
Jan 07 23:05:24 <jfelectron> http://pastebin.com/m36994c5a
Jan 07 23:06:00 <jfelectron> sorry typo: http://pastebin.com/m6a443c1d
Jan 07 23:07:56 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: how does it know which "div" was tapped?\
Jan 07 23:08:12 <jfelectron> wait...you said you wanted to loop over them
Jan 07 23:08:20 <jfelectron> just have one button
Jan 07 23:08:28 <jfelectron> I can do the other way though
Jan 07 23:08:33 <jfelectron> if you really want
Jan 07 23:09:54 <LoneStar99> ok, can you do it the other way?  so i can compare?
Jan 07 23:09:55 <n8o> yay palm pre plus
Jan 07 23:10:06 <jfelectron> LS99: sure
Jan 07 23:10:07 <n8o> has anyone heard any announcements related to the pluses and Canada?
Jan 07 23:12:43 <mardix> hello
Jan 07 23:13:38 <mardix> anybody here?
Jan 07 23:13:44 <LoneStar99> nope
Jan 07 23:13:55 <mardix> i see....
Jan 07 23:13:58 <mardix> hmmm
Jan 07 23:14:07 <LoneStar99> everyone is asleep
Jan 07 23:14:19 <mardix> why?
Jan 07 23:14:31 <LoneStar99> jk, was up
Jan 07 23:14:59 <mardix> I'm starting to do some webos development
Jan 07 23:15:10 <lyht> I think everyone is scrambling to learn more about the pdk.
Jan 07 23:15:19 <mardix> yeah
Jan 07 23:15:48 <mardix> do you guys know how to make an alert box
Jan 07 23:16:26 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: lika dis: http://pastebin.com/m777fa0a3
Jan 07 23:16:41 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: check syntax...quick and dirty on my end
Jan 07 23:17:11 <edektor> new developer.palm.com is looking good
Jan 07 23:17:44 <jfelectron> lyht: I really want to see the PDK....would love to move heavy ops to C/C++ library 'plugin'
Jan 07 23:18:48 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: ok will check it out
Jan 07 23:19:02 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: extra parenth in the Mojo.Event.Listen
Jan 07 23:19:46 <_lance_> having some issues with precentral :/
Jan 07 23:19:53 <lyht> jfelectron: same. Plus, there is a bunch that I can't do right now, that I could through the pdk.
Jan 07 23:20:07 <lyht> _lance_: what's the story?
Jan 07 23:20:28 <_lance_> lyht: e-mail failure on registration, and when recovering your password
Jan 07 23:20:41 <_lance_> lyht: try a password reset and you get a web error
Jan 07 23:20:49 <_lance_> "Unable to send e-mail. Please contact the site admin, if the problem persists."
Jan 07 23:20:52 <jfelectron> lyht: yeah....definitely
Jan 07 23:20:58 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: thanks
Jan 07 23:21:03 <lyht> _lance_: nice!
Jan 07 23:21:11 <_lance_> yeah.. want to snag Preware for me?
Jan 07 23:21:15 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: no prob...fun mental excercise
Jan 07 23:21:21 <lyht> sure. I
Jan 07 23:21:29 <lyht> give me your email address.
Jan 07 23:21:50 <LoneStar99> do i set in "assistant.setup?
Jan 07 23:22:17 <_lance_> any reason for me to not install webos 1.3.5.1 ?
Jan 07 23:24:16 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: set what?
Jan 07 23:24:40 <jfelectron> _lance_: I haven't because I don't want to remove patches and theme and don't need Xcng support
Jan 07 23:25:28 <_lance_> okay, cool. any version you recommend?
Jan 07 23:25:59 <jfelectron> _lance_: 1.3.5
Jan 07 23:26:08 <lyht> _lance_: 1.3.5.1 should be fine. Since you are coming in fresh.
Jan 07 23:26:12 <lyht> With a new phone.
Jan 07 23:26:17 <jfelectron> yep
Jan 07 23:26:39 <jfelectron> only going to buy one...NFS or Asphalt?
Jan 07 23:26:56 <lyht> jfelectron: +1
Jan 07 23:27:50 <AtomicPlayboy> chuqui: THANK YOU. All fixed. :)
Jan 07 23:27:57 * AtomicPlayboy goes back into hibernation.
Jan 07 23:31:58 <Tibfib> so guys... Oregon Trail, Monopoly, or NFS?
Jan 07 23:32:31 <Tibfib> scratch that... Oregon Trail or Monopoly?
Jan 07 23:32:52 <Mousey> how about jabber
Jan 07 23:32:55 <Mousey> just plain jabber
Jan 07 23:32:59 <Mousey> not just gtalk
Jan 07 23:33:05 <Mousey> damn that'd be nice
Jan 07 23:39:29 <Deihmos> is palm keynote online to download
Jan 07 23:40:56 <_lance_> hooray, downloading sdk now
Jan 07 23:43:36 <Tibfib> oregon trail or monopoly?
Jan 07 23:46:34 <jfelectron> Mousey: with the PDK, someone will undoubtedly use libpurple and make a chat client that supports more protocols
Jan 07 23:48:52 <Mousey> i don't want more protocols, i want a generic implementation of the existing xmpp protocol! ;_;
Jan 07 23:49:00 <Mousey> of course
Jan 07 23:49:03 <Mousey> i'm just a user
Jan 07 23:49:08 <Mousey> but i can PAY
Jan 07 23:49:10 <Mousey> in BEEER!
Jan 07 23:49:14 <Mousey> first one to do it!
Jan 07 23:49:19 <Mousey> BEEEEEEEEEEEER
Jan 07 23:54:30 <muesli> jfelectron: why? that exists already on webos?
Jan 07 23:55:04 <LoneStar99> jfelectron:  can't get it to work...
Jan 07 23:55:17 <jfelectron> muesli: yes, but I think they crippled it somewhat
Jan 07 23:55:19 <CTLAdvance> hmmm xplane, golf or NFS
Jan 07 23:55:33 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: Lets see what you've got
Jan 07 23:55:37 <CTLAdvance> err... maybe golf and (NFS or xplane)
Jan 07 23:55:48 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: And logs if you have them
Jan 07 23:55:50 <CTLAdvance> which should it be
Jan 07 23:56:08 <muesli> jfelectron: with 1.3.5?
Jan 07 23:56:51 <jfelectron> muesli: don't think libpurple was part of the upgrade
Jan 07 23:56:52 <haeffb> jfelectron: have you disabled auto-updates somehow?
Jan 07 23:57:27 <muesli> jfelectron: could still just install it. anyways... i can't speak for 1.3.5, since i'm in europe and still waiting for an official update, but works just fine here on 1.3.1
Jan 07 23:57:29 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: gotta run....bb in a hour or so
Jan 07 23:57:57 <jfelectron> haeffb: nope....haven't been bugged yet though
Jan 07 23:58:19 <LoneStar99> jfelectron:  ok
Jan 08 00:05:26 <Bmyers> hey haeffe
Jan 08 00:05:32 <Bmyers> what did i miss?
Jan 08 00:05:47 <haeffb> Bmyers: just some stuff about Palm in here today.
Jan 08 00:06:27 <Bmyers> saw some.
Jan 08 00:06:38 <Bmyers> what was the answer on app submition?
Jan 08 00:07:58 <edektor> So will people be able to develop apps with flash.. Or just webpages
Jan 08 00:09:13 <bpadalino> i am sure you'll be able to choose
Jan 08 00:10:29 <lyht> Bmyers: new apps that we plan on charging for will cost us $50 to submit.
Jan 08 00:10:34 <prototypic> Oh man, I so wanted to get into irc from work. I'm sure it was all a buzz here today
Jan 08 00:10:59 <prototypic> I listened to the coverage at least.
Jan 08 00:11:12 <edektor> was there a new SDK released today?
Jan 08 00:11:32 <edektor> not the PDK
Jan 08 00:12:01 <nekrox> what is PDK?
Jan 08 00:12:48 <prototypic> kindof bummed about the plus only being on verizon
Jan 08 00:13:01 <haeffb> prototypic: for now.
Jan 08 00:13:02 <bpadalino> i am sure it will get rolled out to sprint soon enough
Jan 08 00:13:10 <lyht> edektor: no.
Jan 08 00:13:12 <prototypic> i dont think any new tools were released today
Jan 08 00:13:24 <prototypic> nope: exclusive to verizon :(
Jan 08 00:13:40 <bpadalino> less interested in more storage space, more interested in memory and buttonless front
Jan 08 00:13:54 <prototypic> i heard that
Jan 08 00:13:55 <lyht> nekrox: pdk is plugin development kit. a way to do the stuff the nifty 3d games are doing
Jan 08 00:13:58 <bpadalino> 512MB of RAM is a very nice amount to have
Jan 08 00:14:04 <prototypic> I'm almost exclusively cloud based these days
Jan 08 00:14:10 <prototypic> storage means diddly to me
Jan 08 00:15:18 <lyht> prototypic: maybe. But these new games are going to take up a bunch of space, and if you want to store music or videos on your phone? However, I am with you that I mostly dont use it
Jan 08 00:16:43 <prototypic> meh, I doubt ill spend cash on the games, and Ill only ever need a few hundred megs for my essential music mix
Jan 08 00:16:53 <prototypic> especially once I finish my orb app ;)
Jan 08 00:17:27 <haeffb> prototypic: Pre Plus and Then Some will be coming to Sprint
Jan 08 00:17:50 <Tibfib> My prediction: 4g pre is coming to sprint next
Jan 08 00:18:37 <lyht> Mostly I want a pre that has a better slider action.
Jan 08 00:18:44 <lyht> that is the thing that bugs the most
Jan 08 00:19:23 <bpadalino> i wonder if the hotspot stuff will come to sprint or not
Jan 08 00:20:27 <_lance_> woo irssi via ssh works
Jan 08 00:20:57 <reality9110> I want that hot app money
Jan 08 00:21:39 <prototypic> reality, I'm sure you will get some of it.
Jan 08 00:21:45 <prototypic> you made the radio app right?
Jan 08 00:21:55 <reality9110> yeah
Jan 08 00:22:04 <JenP> reality9110 you were the first person i thougt of
Jan 08 00:22:12 <prototypic> lol me too honestly
Jan 08 00:22:21 <reality9110> :-P
Jan 08 00:22:23 <_lance_> oh great.. crashed my pre for the first time
Jan 08 00:22:34 <prototypic> I then thought, where are all the other devs hanging out, this is only a small subset of apps represented in here
Jan 08 00:22:39 <prototypic> at least out of the people that talk
Jan 08 00:23:00 <reality9110> I think Accuradio will take the $100,000
Jan 08 00:23:18 <JenP> really id even know who that is
Jan 08 00:23:37 <prototypic> only chance I have it by picking a weird category and making a killer app for it
Jan 08 00:23:48 <Tibfib> I want someone small to win it.
Jan 08 00:23:51 <Tibfib> Not a big company
Jan 08 00:23:55 <Tibfib> that would be amazing
Jan 08 00:23:56 <reality9110> Tibfib: I'm small
Jan 08 00:24:01 <JenP> Tibfib that would be nice
Jan 08 00:24:03 <reality9110> It's just me here
Jan 08 00:24:06 <haeffb> chuqui: ping
Jan 08 00:24:11 <Tibfib> did you make accuradio?
Jan 08 00:24:16 <reality9110> Tibfib: No, RadioTime
Jan 08 00:24:26 <Tibfib> Ah... That's what I was referring to.
Jan 08 00:25:00 <reality9110> But, Accuradio has more overall downloads.
Jan 08 00:25:05 <Tibfib> I dont want a accuradio to win it... I want one of us small time devs...
Jan 08 00:25:08 <reality9110> They put out a new version though every weak
Jan 08 00:25:12 <Tibfib> Yeah it might. Oh well.
Jan 08 00:25:17 <chuqui> ping
Jan 08 00:25:24 <reality9110> I think I'll get $10,000
Jan 08 00:25:33 * Mousey perks up
Jan 08 00:25:34 <haeffb> chuqui: why must I continually log into the forums?
Jan 08 00:25:39 <Tibfib> hah don't count your chickens before they hatch
Jan 08 00:25:51 <chuqui> dunno. when I was on them earlier, I dind't have that problem.
Jan 08 00:25:58 <chuqui> that's usually a cookie issue
Jan 08 00:26:06 <haeffb> firefox on vista
Jan 08 00:26:17 <JenP> here's something...the download patch and the download count in palms my apps don't match
Jan 08 00:26:29 <JenP> patch has a bug?
Jan 08 00:26:33 <haeffb> it's not actually continuously. but couple times a day
Jan 08 00:26:58 <Tibfib> My bet is the patch counts downloads AND updates. while the downloads JUST counts downloads
Jan 08 00:27:05 <chuqui> they do time out the login credentials if they aren't used after a time.
Jan 08 00:27:09 <reality9110> What I want to know is if for this Hot App thing, are they going to count individual users or every single time an update is issued
Jan 08 00:27:11 <JenP> ohhh now that makes sense
Jan 08 00:27:25 <chuqui> it used to be an hour. that was too short. Now I think it's four hours. at least in theory
Jan 08 00:27:44 <chuqui> every time you load a page, it should restart that timer
Jan 08 00:27:47 <haeffb> Ok, thanks. "So now you know"
Jan 08 00:28:04 <haeffb> reality9110: update early and update often.
Jan 08 00:28:08 <reality9110> Because if it's downloads, then basically none of the big names apps are going to win
Jan 08 00:28:15 <haeffb> get to know your handler really well.
Jan 08 00:28:28 <reality9110> haeffb: I update when I need to update.
Jan 08 00:28:33 <reality9110> This isn't my day job.
Jan 08 00:28:39 <haeffb> you can't win that way!
Jan 08 00:28:47 <reality9110> That's what the question was.
Jan 08 00:28:56 <reality9110> If it's just downloads, then it's moot.
Jan 08 00:29:04 <reality9110> If it's updates+downloads, then it's on
Jan 08 00:30:22 <prototypic> the update + move to top of the list thing I think will not last long
Jan 08 00:30:38 <prototypic> coming from the seo world, I can see app devs way over using that
Jan 08 00:34:42 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: status?
Jan 08 00:35:04 <LoneStar99> i do not think the listener is working
Jan 08 00:35:51 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: OK, past up the code..lets take a looksy
Jan 08 00:36:23 <LoneStar99> http://pastebin.com/d7c6e0494
Jan 08 00:37:14 <LoneStar99> that works perfectly; your code looks like it should work, but I think "Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.document,Mojo.Event.tap,this.imageSwap.bind(this));" is the problem
Jan 08 00:41:47 <jfelectron> When are you invoking the  Mojo.Event.listen
Jan 08 00:41:48 <jfelectron> ?
Jan 08 00:42:20 <jfelectron> Have you verified that the handler definitely  isn't being called?
Jan 08 00:42:21 <LoneStar99> inside "BgAssistant.prototype.setup = function(){"
Jan 08 00:43:06 <jfelectron> Generally...you want to add listeners in activate() so that on pushes (e.g. swipe back from another scene) they get activated again
Jan 08 00:43:17 <jfelectron> and have a correspnding stopListening in deactivate()
Jan 08 00:44:11 <jfelectron> also try this.controller.listen()...should be the same as Mojo.Event.listen....but I never use the latter
Jan 08 00:44:57 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: have a log in the handler so you can see if it's being called or not
Jan 08 00:47:25 <LoneStar99> palm-log -f com.buildasearch.search.app ?
Jan 08 00:47:34 <LoneStar99> let me add the code to activate
Jan 08 00:47:59 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: I mean add a Mojo.Log.info at the top of the event handler
Jan 08 00:48:21 <jfelectron> like Mojo.Log.info("<<<< Tap Handler Called!!!>>>>")
Jan 08 00:58:28 <LoneStar99> jfelectron:  this.controller.listen... did not work
Jan 08 00:59:09 <Tibfib> Hah. I'm listening to the CES presentation off youtube.... the EA guy talks about howo the NFS vid got leaked 26 mins in
Jan 08 00:59:10 <Tibfib> hah
Jan 08 00:59:26 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: Are you gettting any errors when you call this.controller.listen?
Jan 08 00:59:50 <LoneStar99> yeah... an error in the picker.js - totally different code
Jan 08 00:59:51 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: And you're sure the handler isn't being called?
Jan 08 01:00:06 <pinston> does the SDK still have problems installing on Win 7 x64?  I havent looked into it since I tried a few months back
Jan 08 01:00:47 <jfelectron> LoneStar99:  huh....you mean you see that error in your logs?
Jan 08 01:01:12 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: or that error happens when you call this.controller.listen
Jan 08 01:01:38 <LoneStar99> let me try it again
Jan 08 01:01:48 <jfelectron> if there is another unchaught exception, it will bail and may not add the listener
Jan 08 01:07:01 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: ok no error with "this.controller.listen(this.controller.document,Mojo.Event.tap,this.imageSwap.bind(this));"
Jan 08 01:07:27 <LoneStar99> but still not working...
Jan 08 01:07:34 <jfelectron> This isn't in a list is it?
Jan 08 01:07:49 <jfelectron> Are you seeing the tap event in your logs?
Jan 08 01:08:19 <jfelectron> provided you have : "logEvents":true,
Jan 08 01:08:19 <jfelectron>   "debuggingEnabled":true set in framework_config.json
Jan 08 01:10:45 <LoneStar99> ok set to true restarting emulator
Jan 08 01:15:00 <juf> hi
Jan 08 01:15:17 <jfelectron> wow...has anyone noticed that when you uncompress .ipk built with 1.3.5 SDK you find a 'plugin' instead of the code?
Jan 08 01:15:36 <juf> is there any possibility to get acces via the application rss feed to german only apps?
Jan 08 01:16:31 <haeffb> wut?
Jan 08 01:16:35 <jfelectron> haeffb: can you send me the source for the dialog....can't get it from the ipk anymore?
Jan 08 01:17:50 <juf> i'd like to display apps which are only availible in germany on my blog. is there any posibillity to do make this happen with the appcatalog rss feed?
Jan 08 01:17:55 <haeffb> you should be able to still get the source from the .ipk
Jan 08 01:18:04 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: http://pastebin.com/d527c9fde
Jan 08 01:18:12 <LoneStar99> that is what all the source looks like
Jan 08 01:18:19 <incidentist> jfelectron: huh? i'm not seeing that.
Jan 08 01:18:33 <jfelectron> using ar -xv?
Jan 08 01:18:40 <LoneStar99> enabled debugging and still no errors
Jan 08 01:19:01 <incidentist> maybe i don't have the most recent sdk
Jan 08 01:19:06 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: are you seeing the tap event though?
Jan 08 01:19:23 <haeffb> I'm using 7zip on Vista and can unpack that ipk just fine.
Jan 08 01:19:37 <incidentist> i unpack using ar -x, but i don't see any plugin
Jan 08 01:19:41 <LoneStar99> jfelecton: nope
Jan 08 01:20:36 <jfelectron> incidentalist: huh...this was from haeffb...I'm confused
Jan 08 01:20:55 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: there is no Mojo.Log.info in the imageSwap function....
Jan 08 01:21:32 <OrionPK> anyone know any rumored dates for the flash beta?
Jan 08 01:22:31 <jfelectron> incidentalist: yeah, the directory structure is different too now  data.tar.gz yields user/palm/applications/
Jan 08 01:23:08 <LoneStar99> jfelectron: ok placed "Mojo.Log.info("<<<< Tap Handler Called!!!>>>>")" and do not see any tabs
Jan 08 01:24:01 <LoneStar99> taps or anything
Jan 08 01:25:32 <haeffb> usr/palm/applications
Jan 08 01:25:58 <jfelectron> umm...the event handler looks to be inside the setup function??
Jan 08 01:26:01 <haeffb> jfelectron: I can resend it if you'd like.
Jan 08 01:26:24 <jfelectron> I don't know why resending would be different....:/
Jan 08 01:26:51 <haeffb> I can zip the app dir and send that
Jan 08 01:27:18 <jfelectron> haeffb: so when you decompress the ipk you get the source?
Jan 08 01:27:51 <haeffb> yes
Jan 08 01:27:51 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: Ok, I see where setup ends but var bgIt = 'mojo-scene-bg-scene-scroller';
Jan 08 01:27:51 <jfelectron> divRE=new RegExp("b[0-9]"); are not in a function
Jan 08 01:28:02 <jfelectron> haeffb: wierd...I guess send me the soruce
Jan 08 01:29:11 <haeffb> sent
Jan 08 01:29:45 <jfelectron> OK...this is really wierd. I can decompress my own ipk...but not yours
Jan 08 01:29:56 <jfelectron> haeffb: K, thanks!
Jan 08 01:30:40 <LoneStar99> ok placed in function... nothingyet...
Jan 08 01:30:58 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: paste the code again
Jan 08 01:33:38 <LoneStar99> http://pastebin.com/d6473db26
Jan 08 01:35:44 <jfelectron> All I can think is that it's because you are setting up a scroller...maybe this.controller.document isn't appropriate
Jan 08 01:35:59 <jfelectron> try binding it to whatever container div holds your buttons
Jan 08 01:36:37 <LoneStar99> i tried that before, but let me try again
Jan 08 01:38:11 <LoneStar99> "Mojo.Event.listen($("b1"),Mojo.Event.tap,this.imageSwap.bind(this));" nope....
Jan 08 01:40:37 <jfelectron> what variant are you using for the picker...it may be that the handlers there are intefering....I'm out of ideas
Jan 08 01:40:51 <edektor> so will palm accept my app if it is beta?
Jan 08 01:41:14 <LoneStar99> yeah same here, it makes no sense
Jan 08 01:41:24 <jfelectron> edektor: don't need an app to setup an account...to get in the door as where
Jan 08 01:41:47 <edektor> jfelectron: what?
Jan 08 01:42:07 <jfelectron> edektor: well...why do you want to submit a 'beta' app?
Jan 08 01:42:16 <edektor> I already have an account.. Im just wondering if palm will accept an app that is beta status
Jan 08 01:42:28 <jfelectron> what sense is it 'beta'?
Jan 08 01:42:36 <edektor> because it is stable enough for a release
Jan 08 01:42:54 <edektor> but lacking some features that I wanted to get in it
Jan 08 01:43:07 <jfelectron> that's fine...you can just push an update later
Jan 08 01:43:23 <jfelectron> as long as what's there is stable and meets their usability req's...you
Jan 08 01:43:25 <jfelectron> you
Jan 08 01:43:29 <jfelectron> you're golden
Jan 08 01:44:08 <jfelectron> edektor: however....if they are features that users will slam you for...better to wait unless there is competition in your app space
Jan 08 01:44:19 <edektor> so they are not against having beta in the app name
Jan 08 01:44:29 <edektor> and there is no competition
Jan 08 01:44:39 <jfelectron> I don't know that specifically...why included it?
Jan 08 01:45:05 <edektor> So people know it a beta and the rest of the features are coming
Jan 08 01:45:31 <jfelectron> people expect updates and I don't think they'll give you an easier go (i.e. friendly reviews) just because its beta
Jan 08 01:45:47 <jfelectron> ppl will still slam you
Jan 08 01:45:53 <edektor> foursquare has got beta in the title
Jan 08 01:46:21 <edektor> and also.. Can I put what will be in the next version in my app description?
Jan 08 01:46:31 <LoneStar99> jfelectron:  if I comment out "if (event.target.id.match(divRE)) {" it works
Jan 08 01:46:32 <jfelectron> Yes...many apps do that
Jan 08 01:47:00 <edektor> k thanks
Jan 08 01:47:36 <haeffb> jfelectron: did that zip work?
Jan 08 01:47:38 <jfelectron> edektor: I just think first impressions are important..
Jan 08 01:48:01 <edektor> yeah me too... but I want to get this app out there
Jan 08 01:48:02 <jfelectron> haeffb: yep...thanks!
Jan 08 01:48:08 <haeffb> okeydokey
Jan 08 01:48:48 <jfelectron> still confused about the ipk thing though
Jan 08 01:48:49 <reality9110> edektor: Opt for the higher initial review
Jan 08 01:48:53 <LoneStar99> jfelectron:  stuff if going through, what you think is wrong with "if (event.target.id.match(divRE)) {"
Jan 08 01:49:03 <haeffb_out> yes, that is strange
Jan 08 01:49:12 <edektor> reality9110: what is that
Jan 08 01:49:25 <jfelectron> its like there is signining or something...but I don't see why ar or tar would care
Jan 08 01:49:28 <reality9110> edektor: You want to be at 4 and above initially
Jan 08 01:49:33 <reality9110> edektor: User rating, that is
Jan 08 01:50:03 <edektor> but how can I opt for that
Jan 08 01:50:12 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: Add Mojo.Log.ino("<<<Tap taget ID:  "+event.target.id)
Jan 08 01:50:29 <reality9110> edektor: Make your app as complete as possible and make it look good
Jan 08 01:51:10 <jfelectron> reality9110: yep, I agree
Jan 08 01:52:00 <reality9110> edektor: With the higher reviews, you'll place higher in the popular categories by star rating which will give your app more exposure
Jan 08 01:52:04 <jfelectron> that said, precentral's analysis I believe found little correlation between reviews and downloads..but the app store is getting more crowded so users will be more discriminating
Jan 08 01:53:22 <LoneStar99> inside and outside the "if (event.target.id.match(divRE)) {" and no idication of anything
Jan 08 01:54:12 <jfelectron> LoneStar99: so you if remove the if statement it gets called...but if its there it doesn't?
Jan 08 01:54:44 <LoneStar99> yeah exactly
Jan 08 01:55:36 <LoneStar99> but of coarse I have the "imagestr='url(images/bg/b1.jpg)';" hardcoded for testing
Jan 08 01:55:52 <jfelectron> replace the .matcj(divRE) with .match('b1')
Jan 08 01:56:03 <jfelectron> yeah...that shouldn't impact the if statement
Jan 08 01:56:22 <jfelectron> Log the ID of the tap event
Jan 08 01:57:53 <LoneStar99> "if (event.target.id.match('b1')) {" nope....
Jan 08 01:58:57 <jfelectron> either break out the debugger and break inside the handler or add a logging so we can see what event.target.id is
Jan 08 02:04:30 <LoneStar99> ok in the debugger - what do I type in
Jan 08 02:04:35 <LoneStar99> using putty
Jan 08 02:12:35 <LoneStar99> gonna watch the Game brb after a while, thank for all your help jfelectron, I am thinking it is something very simple
Jan 08 02:13:00 <jfelectron> LS99: Ok....sorry have to work on something here
Jan 08 02:13:11 <jfelectron> I reccomend using Ares for debugging
Jan 08 02:13:27 <LoneStar99> can i just import all my code?
Jan 08 02:13:38 <LoneStar99> toi ares?
Jan 08 02:13:41 <jfelectron> you zip up the src and upload that zip
Jan 08 02:13:58 <LoneStar99> ok, i will try it out later thanks
Jan 08 02:14:00 <LoneStar99> chat later
Jan 08 02:14:16 <jfelectron> k...bye..might be around, not sure
Jan 08 02:14:22 <PreGame> imo ares sucks, it keep giving me a wrong error
Jan 08 02:14:30 <PreGame> took me forever to realise what the issue was
Jan 08 02:14:33 <LoneStar99> k, i wll do research lates
Jan 08 02:24:24 <lemketron> PreGame: what was the problem?
Jan 08 02:24:41 <lemketron> btw, did everyone see the shout out to #webos on http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1837&Itemid=24 ?
Jan 08 02:25:05 <lemketron> (and http://github.com/palm )
Jan 08 02:30:20 <haeffb_out> lemketron: neat
Jan 08 02:30:55 <bpadalino> very nice
Jan 08 02:31:00 <rbredow_> I'm at the dev mtg now.  Anyone else?
Jan 08 02:31:03 <bpadalino> real popular place!
Jan 08 02:31:19 <haeffb_out> how would we know? You're the one who's there...
Jan 08 02:32:05 <rbredow_> Well, there's 150 ppl in the room.  :)  I was wondering if anyone from this channel was here too.
Jan 08 02:32:25 <rbredow_> Ben is talking now about why the web is the platform.
Jan 08 02:35:43 <prototypic> so few people realize the web is a platform
Jan 08 02:35:51 <prototypic> even as they all scramble to adopt it
Jan 08 02:36:30 <rbredow_> talking now about how to distibute without palm if you want.  App feeds.
Jan 08 02:37:18 <rbredow_> Project appetite is fully open-source.
Jan 08 02:39:07 <rbredow_> talking now about project Ares (nothing new)
Jan 08 02:39:24 <rwhitby> rbredow_: thx fo the updates
Jan 08 02:40:14 <rwhitby> rbredow_: is Rick there?
Jan 08 02:40:31 <rbredow_> rick who?
Jan 08 02:40:49 <rbredow_> presentations over, chat time.
Jan 08 02:41:47 <edektor> will the formatting I type into the app description persist to the catalog
Jan 08 02:42:04 <dawm__> sorta
Jan 08 02:42:12 <edektor> how so?
Jan 08 02:42:17 <dawm__> they dont respect CRLF
Jan 08 02:42:25 <dawm__> so everything gets mushed together
Jan 08 02:43:46 <muesli> dawm__: that would make it impossible to format a description ;-)
Jan 08 02:44:28 <dawm__> yeh, 1 paragraph is about the only pleasing description
Jan 08 02:47:56 <lemketron> rbredow_: If you had foursquare on your Pre you'd know who else was there.
Jan 08 02:48:17 <lemketron> RT @zhephree: get the @foursquare app on your webos device easier: http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.foursquare.foursquare
Jan 08 02:48:45 <lemketron> You too can share URLs like that to make it simple to install your app onto the device from a desktop browser!
Jan 08 02:49:55 <dawm__> lemketron, NICE
Jan 08 02:50:05 <prototypic> thought with foursquare you had to have friends?
Jan 08 02:51:27 <muesli> great, the link i get to mobile results in "App Catalog is not available", tho
Jan 08 02:52:15 <haeffb> took me right to foursquare in app catalog.
Jan 08 02:52:48 <reality9110> lemketron: How?
Jan 08 02:52:52 <edektor> whats the keyboard shortcut for screenshots in the pre
Jan 08 02:53:11 <haeffb> web app that send the link by sms
Jan 08 02:53:14 <prototypic> edektor I couldn't find one
Jan 08 02:53:22 <edektor> I have dont it before
Jan 08 02:53:23 <prototypic> had to use gimp, or photoshop,
Jan 08 02:53:35 <prototypic> oRly!
Jan 08 02:53:37 <muesli> haeffb: maybe only works in the us... should say so, tho, and not just give me a cryptic error message
Jan 08 02:53:38 <haeffb> orange sym p
Jan 08 02:53:48 <reality9110> Nevermind...found it
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