**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 25 02:59:56 2010
Jan 25 03:11:44 <pandora--> atlanta: what?
Jan 25 03:12:21 <atlanta> ehhh let me tell palm first
Jan 25 03:12:28 <atlanta> it sort of a security concern
Jan 25 03:17:56 <N3O9Pr> Can i get WebOS on the HTC Touch Pro?
Jan 25 03:26:52 <atlanta> LMFAOO
Jan 25 03:26:53 <atlanta> no
Jan 25 03:28:06 <atlanta> negative
Jan 25 03:40:34 <JenP> Rick-home ping
Jan 25 03:53:38 <rasstar> the htc touch is a much weaker device
Jan 25 03:59:16 <atlanta> rasstar: perfectly said
Jan 25 04:39:23 <JenP> any one have any ideas on why this won't work for focussing on a text box in a dialog box? this.rmdrCCName.focus();
Jan 25 04:40:13 <JenP> i've tried that and also this.rmdrCCName.mojo.focus();
Jan 25 04:40:17 <JenP> but no go
Jan 25 04:41:29 <sugardave> are you sure this.rmdrCCName contains a Widget element?
Jan 25 04:42:16 <JenP> pretty sure
Jan 25 04:42:26 <JenP> i had to use setupWidget to create it
Jan 25 04:42:41 <JenP>  this.sceneAssistant.controller.setupWidget('rmdrCCName', rmdrCCNameattributes, this.rmdrCCNamemodel);.
Jan 25 04:43:17 <sugardave> but should it be this.controller.get('rmdrCCName').mojo.focus(); ?
Jan 25 04:43:30 <JenP> idk let me try
Jan 25 04:44:12 <JenP> no that didn't work either
Jan 25 04:45:10 <sugardave> hmmm...is this a stage assistant app or an app assistant app?
Jan 25 04:45:36 <JenP> how would i know the difference?
Jan 25 04:45:56 <JenP> it's a dialog pop-up
Jan 25 04:45:58 <sugardave> if you have an app-assistant.js file in your sources.json, it's using an app assitant
Jan 25 04:46:44 <JenP> stage assistant
Jan 25 04:47:24 <paradisaeidae> Can the WebOS browser render svg?
Jan 25 04:47:29 <sugardave> my guess is that 'this' is getting messed up in the dialog display
Jan 25 04:47:49 <sugardave> you might need to pass the element to the dialog function?
Jan 25 04:49:15 <BrianMB> paradisaeidae: nope, not for the foreseeable future :/
Jan 25 04:50:33 <paradisaeidae> Can an alternative browser be installed.
Jan 25 04:51:06 <sugardave> unlikely
Jan 25 04:51:26 <sugardave> you COULD, I suppose if you had the PDK and wrote your own
Jan 25 04:52:45 <haeffb_pre> this.sceneAssistant.controller.get('rmdrCCName').mojo.focus;
Jan 25 04:53:02 <haeffb_pre> ()
Jan 25 04:53:28 <JenP> thanks haeffb_pre i'll try it out
Jan 25 04:53:59 <JenP> YEAH THAT WORKED!!!
Jan 25 04:54:01 <JenP> thank you
Jan 25 04:54:02 <BrianMB> Heh, I suppose Fennec could come to webOS this year --  at least it's conceivable...
Jan 25 04:54:21 <JenP> so haeffb explain to me why that worked and the others did not?
Jan 25 04:54:24 <BrianMB> There is no technical limitation anymore
Jan 25 04:55:09 <sugardave> this.sceneAssistant gave you the reference to the object that has the controller, which has the method get, etc.
Jan 25 04:55:13 <paradisaeidae> wow, yeah, Fennec. That would be good.
Jan 25 04:55:36 <haeffb_pre> because in your dialog, you're still using the calling scene's assistant.
Jan 25 04:55:53 <JenP> ah ok..
Jan 25 04:56:04 <haeffb_pre> which we saved as this.sceneAssistant.
Jan 25 04:56:26 <haeffb_pre> so the controller you have to use in the dialog is...
Jan 25 04:56:47 <haeffb_pre> this.sceneAssistant.controller
Jan 25 04:57:22 <JenP> thanks for explaining it
Jan 25 04:58:55 * haeffb_pre needs to write a custom dialog example for the wiki...
Jan 25 04:59:07 <JenP> Yeah!
Jan 25 05:34:52 <BrianMB> Custom Dialogs are annoying... -_-
Jan 25 05:38:44 <jfelectron> Custom Dialogs are great...what's your beef?
Jan 25 05:51:38 <JenP> youcan launch a list from a toggle right?
Jan 25 05:55:54 <jfelectron> JenP: listen to propertyChange and then you can do whatever the heart desires
Jan 25 05:56:07 <jfelectron> what do u mean by 'launch' a list?
Jan 25 05:56:23 <JenP> wait i liked your first statement...
Jan 25 05:56:42 <JenP> if the toggle is true give user a list of values to select from
Jan 25 05:57:46 <jfelectron> so you toggle and then you want a submenu like thing to hover near the toggle?
Jan 25 05:57:54 <JenP> yeah
Jan 25 05:58:26 <JenP> is that doable?
Jan 25 05:59:18 <jfelectron> OK...in your propertyChange handler....do this.controller.popupSubmenu() set the placeNear property to the toggle element
Jan 25 06:00:06 <jfelectron> syntax like this: http://www.pastie.org/793137
Jan 25 06:00:35 <JenP> oh kk
Jan 25 06:00:37 <jfelectron> where element would be the result of this.controller.get('toggleID')
Jan 25 06:01:25 <JenP> thank you!
Jan 25 06:01:28 <JenP> i'll try it out
Jan 25 06:01:41 <jfelectron> no problem....I love submenus...use them all over the place
Jan 25 06:01:54 <jfelectron> their neat and satisfying
Jan 25 06:01:59 <jfelectron> they're rather
Jan 25 06:02:02 <JenP> really? this is my first time workign with a list
Jan 25 06:02:31 <jfelectron> dunno...maybe I just have lots of uses for them
Jan 25 06:02:57 <JenP> oh no i can totally see many areas it would be perfect for what i need...
Jan 25 06:03:30 <JenP> k guys i've gotta call it a night...ttyt
Jan 25 06:03:40 <dylanmei> :)
Jan 25 06:04:19 <jfelectron> nite JenP
Jan 25 06:16:13 <spencerk> hey, i'm trying to flip a really simple web app into a o/s palm app, but can't get the emulator working, can someone help me?
Jan 25 06:33:32 <Epix> Does anyone have experience with quattro wireless, specifically how you're supposed to include HTTP headers with the request for an ad?
Jan 25 06:37:51 <jfelectron> spencerk: what's your problem exactly?
Jan 25 06:38:14 <spencerk> overwhelmed really :)
Jan 25 06:38:36 <spencerk> id like just to have a simple html form listed in the app store
Jan 25 06:39:02 <spencerk> and im getting nowhere....!
Jan 25 06:39:48 <spencerk> id like to make a palm-friendly interface to freebase
Jan 25 06:40:10 <spencerk> pretty simple.
Jan 25 06:41:39 <spencerk> jfelectron: have you listed webos apps  before?
Jan 25 06:42:32 <jfelectron> listed?
Jan 25 06:42:48 <jfelectron> you mean gotten an app accepted?
Jan 25 06:43:13 <jfelectron> So you want a single scene with a form in it and you just want to be able to submit that form?
Jan 25 06:43:42 <spencerk> yeppers, can i clone something?
Jan 25 06:44:16 <jfelectron> clone? sorry maybe its late and brain slow
Jan 25 06:44:33 <jfelectron> getting a form to work should be easy
Jan 25 06:44:44 <jfelectron> Do you already have a form on a webpage?
Jan 25 06:44:48 <spencerk> yep
Jan 25 06:45:39 <jfelectron> OK, the easiest thing would be to pull down that page with Ajax.request and then pluck the form element from that page
Jan 25 06:46:05 <spencerk> is there an existing app i can copy?
Jan 25 06:46:18 <spencerk> *fork
Jan 25 06:46:21 <jfelectron> http://www.prototypejs.org/api/form
Jan 25 06:46:26 <spencerk> ahh!
Jan 25 06:46:29 <spencerk> thanks:)
Jan 25 06:46:40 <jfelectron> that's what I do
Jan 25 06:47:00 <jfelectron> pluck....insert inputs programatically and then do form.submit()....done!
Jan 25 06:47:00 <spencerk> is webos jquery friendly?
Jan 25 06:48:08 <jfelectron> for the most part....you have to be careful with some globals or when the library expects a browser for things like user agent or the like
Jan 25 06:48:45 <spencerk> can i reach you on here later if i get stuck?
Jan 25 06:48:51 <jfelectron> you can include it and try using things until you run into problems....then investigate. Its not hard to fix little discrepancies in jQuery
Jan 25 06:48:59 <jfelectron> sure...I should be around
Jan 25 06:49:15 <spencerk> im gonna put anpther hour or two into getting the emulater working
Jan 25 06:49:16 <jfelectron> just use jfelectron: so I see it
Jan 25 06:49:23 <spencerk> thanks
Jan 25 06:49:30 <jfelectron> no prob...good luck!
Jan 25 08:24:08 <BrianMB> Anyone know of a good IRC client for OS X?
Jan 25 08:24:15 <BrianMB> Mine... sucks.  I believe it sucks.
Jan 25 08:24:37 <BrianMB> And I would like a better one.
Jan 25 08:28:11 <BrianMB> I should probably ask at a decent hour :D
Jan 25 08:36:07 <Epix> BrianMB: I'm using x-chat.  It seams alright, but this is the first time I've really use IRC
Jan 25 09:09:29 <jfelectron> colloquy
Jan 25 09:11:41 <BrianMB> Ah, i'm using Colloquy
Jan 25 09:11:52 <BrianMB> :P
Jan 25 09:12:01 <BrianMB> Thanks guys
Jan 25 09:13:27 <jfelectron> BrianMB: I haven't found a better one
Jan 25 09:13:51 <jfelectron> there is a console in colloquy...its just not easy to fine
Jan 25 11:10:20 <jbjoerk> anyone know if there are any guidelines available for how to setup renderLimit/lookahead on a list?
Jan 25 12:36:22 <rretsiem> Can anyone please explain me where is my problem, if i call a this.controller.modelChanged(...); and get the error "found no watchers" in the setup method of a scene?
Jan 25 12:39:36 <crasheed> can I submit the same app to app catalog AND web distro?
Jan 25 13:46:36 <rretsiem> Are there differences between Ares and "normal" dev for lists and modelChanged()?
Jan 25 14:21:09 <gordian> anyone from vzw in the chan?
Jan 25 16:58:57 <haeffb_pre> dBsooner: did you get a chance to run that .ipk? I saw you were having some issues...
Jan 25 16:59:30 <dBsooner> haeffb_pre: not yet. I JUST got finished testing AUPT
Jan 25 16:59:42 <dBsooner> tonight. ;)
Jan 25 17:01:54 <Toaster> mh...is there a way to connect through a proxy when using wifi?
Jan 25 17:02:43 <sugardave> have the verizon hordes started downloading stuff yet?
Jan 25 17:03:05 * sugardave doesn't have a tracker on his flagship app.
Jan 25 17:07:17 <haeffb_pre> I have changed the app to no longer use the 320x480 background, so it's no longer an issue for me. but would still like to know if it's a bug
Jan 25 17:07:52 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: dawm should know
Jan 25 17:18:09 <haeffb_pre> hi chuqui. exciting day @ Palm?
Jan 25 17:19:06 * sugardave heads to Verizon to stump for his apps.
Jan 25 17:20:16 <chuqui> morning!
Jan 25 17:23:16 <swisstomcat> heya
Jan 25 17:27:18 <haeffb_pre> swisstomcat: did you get paypal working?
Jan 25 17:27:29 <swisstomcat> oh yes, wanted to thank you
Jan 25 17:28:01 <haeffb_pre> no problem
Jan 25 17:28:34 <swisstomcat> hey chuqui: on the developer.palm.com main page, there's a part about "plug-in development kit" but it shows the "SDK" picture beneath it, not the PDK one
Jan 25 17:29:46 <kmudrick> chuqui: for cleaning up zero-star reviews / install issue reviews, what is the best way to get that addressed in the short-term?
Jan 25 17:31:31 <chuqui> swisstomcat I'll take a look at that and pass the word
Jan 25 17:32:03 <swisstomcat> thanks, even it's just a small thing
Jan 25 17:32:08 <chuqui> kmudrick I clean them up on a regular basis. Working to get that done on a weekly schedule. Not much beyond that we can do right now
Jan 25 17:32:11 <swisstomcat> even if it's
Jan 25 17:33:08 <codeslaw> didn't get a chance to host my ipk, will do tonight
Jan 25 17:33:16 <codeslaw> btw
Jan 25 17:33:23 <swisstomcat> good, i can test it
Jan 25 17:34:05 <codeslaw> got side tracked setting up some scene management
Jan 25 17:54:42 <ventz> hey guys, i just bought the verizon palm pre plus
Jan 25 17:54:55 <ventz> and i would like my main (accurate) source of contacts to be gmail (since that syncs w/ my mac)
Jan 25 17:55:01 <ventz> how can i disable my exchange contacts
Jan 25 17:55:07 <ventz> but keep the exchange email
Jan 25 17:56:38 <Kyusaku> just don't add your exchange account via contacts
Jan 25 17:57:00 <ventz> i can't...if i delete them from there, it deletes the email too
Jan 25 17:57:06 <ventz> and if i add th email, it adds the contacts
Jan 25 17:58:01 <Kyusaku> so when you add your exchange account via the email app it adds it to the contacts app?
Jan 25 17:58:43 <Kyusaku> because I know that if you add an account via contacts, it does add it to every other app, but I thought it wasn't suppose to work the other way around
Jan 25 18:03:29 <codeslaw> ventz: how do you like the button-less gesture area
Jan 25 18:04:08 <ventz> great
Jan 25 18:04:14 <ventz> i only played w/ the sprint one in the stores
Jan 25 18:04:17 <ventz> (i was a tmobile customer)
Jan 25 18:04:22 <ventz> but this is much better imo
Jan 25 18:04:36 <codeslaw> to back out of an app, do you just tap the area?
Jan 25 18:04:45 <ventz> the phone responce is incredible -- it feels much faster than the sprint one
Jan 25 18:04:46 <ventz> yea
Jan 25 18:04:55 <ventz> or you can swipe back
Jan 25 18:05:04 <codeslaw> ya, i hope they release new hardware on sprint sometime
Jan 25 18:05:07 <ventz> they have an advanced swipe enable (not sure if sprint one has it)
Jan 25 18:05:36 <codeslaw> that enables forward swipe?
Jan 25 18:06:34 <ventz> you can use swipes to move between apps -- yea forward and back
Jan 25 18:06:49 <ventz> my only complaint now (coming from iphone @ tmobile) is that you don't have a favorites dial list
Jan 25 18:06:55 <codeslaw> ah ya, same on sprint
Jan 25 18:07:04 <codeslaw> there are a couple apps for that
Jan 25 18:07:14 <codeslaw> photodialer, quick contacts or something like that
Jan 25 18:08:00 <ventz> free?
Jan 25 18:08:10 <ventz> (any app recomendations btw)?
Jan 25 18:08:42 <codeslaw> not sure about their cost, haven't used them
Jan 25 18:08:58 <codeslaw> honestly, i dont have a ton of apps, but there are some really good ones coming out
Jan 25 18:09:24 <codeslaw> i'm releasing a free version of my painting app in a couple days, be sure to grab that!
Jan 25 18:09:47 <ventz> ok, i'll check it out. what's the name?
Jan 25 18:09:58 <codeslaw> SketchPaint
Jan 25 18:10:01 <ventz> i like the geocaching not costing $10 (like iPhone) or sucking (android)
Jan 25 18:10:07 <codeslaw> ya
Jan 25 18:10:19 <ventz> also, wish there was a software keyboard
Jan 25 18:10:25 <ventz> the indictive charging is amazing
Jan 25 18:10:31 <ventz> it doubles as a phone stand too
Jan 25 18:10:34 <codeslaw> yes
Jan 25 18:10:38 <codeslaw> touchstone is awesome
Jan 25 18:10:47 <ventz> inductive*
Jan 25 18:10:52 <ventz> bestbuy is running a special
Jan 25 18:11:17 <ventz> get a new phone/upgrade plan/start new plan -- get $50 worth of accesories (+/- $20), and they round the cost to $50 and then subtract it
Jan 25 18:15:08 <codeslaw> nice
Jan 25 18:16:25 <Kyusaku> ventz: you can always add contacts to the launcher
Jan 25 18:16:55 <Kyusaku> or assign people to a keyboard key for speed dial
Jan 25 18:17:13 <swisstomcat> rehi
Jan 25 18:20:19 <swisstomcat> ventz: paratroppers is a great game
Jan 25 18:20:26 <swisstomcat> and if you have kids, i recommend my own app
Jan 25 18:20:36 <swisstomcat> http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/moo
Jan 25 18:20:38 <swisstomcat> :)
Jan 25 18:22:02 <ventz> swisstomcat: so about homebrew, how do i install them :)?
Jan 25 18:22:40 <swisstomcat> http://www.precentral.net/how-add-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes
Jan 25 18:22:57 <ventz> thank you
Jan 25 18:23:07 <swisstomcat> basically you need preware and webosquickinstall to start
Jan 25 18:23:14 <ventz> battery icon -- wow, taht's awesome
Jan 25 18:23:18 <ventz> how safe are they?
Jan 25 18:23:27 <swisstomcat> the homebrew apps?
Jan 25 18:23:30 <ventz> is it like cydia for the iphone (extremely not tollerated by apple)
Jan 25 18:23:45 <swisstomcat> no warranty breaking needed
Jan 25 18:23:47 <swisstomcat> or rooting
Jan 25 18:24:59 <swisstomcat> homebrew is tolerated by palm (so far)
Jan 25 18:25:55 <swisstomcat> the best is to use webosquickinstall to install preware .. you can then install homebrew and palm app store apps from preware
Jan 25 18:27:05 <ventz> thanks, resetting device now
Jan 25 18:40:04 <Kyusaku> ventz: Palm fully supports the open source Homebrew community, because they have no plans on doing anything illegal such as redistributing software without permission
Jan 25 18:42:36 <LoneStar99> Howdy Folks
Jan 25 18:42:41 <swisstomcat> howdy
Jan 25 18:43:07 <LoneStar99> how is everything been away for a few days
Jan 25 18:43:22 <swisstomcat> i've updated moo
Jan 25 18:43:54 <gotenks> i'm still banging my head on this textfield background :/
Jan 25 18:43:56 <gotenks> XD
Jan 25 18:44:04 <gotenks> but haven't really had alot of time to do it anyway
Jan 25 18:44:12 <swisstomcat> gotenks: you should ask haeffb
Jan 25 18:44:33 <swisstomcat> he did some cool restyling of myles
Jan 25 18:44:34 <gotenks> he's the one who stopped me from trying to use a color on it XD
Jan 25 18:44:42 <swisstomcat> oh
Jan 25 18:44:48 <gotenks> i thought it was a bgcolor, he said no it's an image :/
Jan 25 18:45:07 <gotenks> though i can't get the color to change on the innactive textfield either
Jan 25 18:46:35 <haeffb_pre> gotenks: did you find the images?
Jan 25 18:47:06 <gotenks> no... unfortunately i got really busy XD just able to examine my code
Jan 25 18:47:19 <haeffb_pre> read through the global-textfields.css
Jan 25 18:48:50 <haeffb_pre> what I did was copy all the style defs from global.css to a .css in my app, then delete all the defs except the ones that define the background image.
Jan 25 18:49:24 <haeffb_pre> copy the imaes to your apps images dir and modify them as necessary.
Jan 25 18:49:39 <haeffb_pre> bingo, presto!
Jan 25 18:50:17 <ventz> hmm, patches worked
Jan 25 18:50:20 <ventz> but Preware install is failing
Jan 25 18:50:28 <swisstomcat> what's happening?
Jan 25 18:50:55 <ventz> I am on a mac, I click the jar, and it says installation failed
Jan 25 18:51:07 <swisstomcat> installation of webosquickinstall?
Jan 25 18:51:07 <ventz> I have the package manager (luna?) and a battery saver app now
Jan 25 18:51:17 <ventz> installation of of the prewareinstaller.jar
Jan 25 18:51:33 <ventz> PrewareInstaller-0.9.4.jar
Jan 25 18:51:38 <swisstomcat> seems old
Jan 25 18:51:46 <swisstomcat> 0.9.18 is the latest preware
Jan 25 18:51:49 <Rick_work> ventz that installer is very depricated.
Jan 25 18:51:55 <Rick_work> we have not updated those in ages.
Jan 25 18:51:56 <swisstomcat> you can install it from webosquickinstall
Jan 25 18:52:07 <Rick_work> ventz,  do you have the sdk installed?
Jan 25 18:52:27 <ventz> ah okay
Jan 25 18:52:30 <Kyusaku> ventz is a new Pre Plus owner
Jan 25 18:52:40 <ventz> I don't have the sdk yet
Jan 25 18:52:46 <swisstomcat> where did you find the old, outdated preware.jar?
Jan 25 18:52:46 <Rick_work> how exciting  !!!  Welcom Verizon Denizen Ventz!!!
Jan 25 18:53:00 <ventz> heh, thanks
Jan 25 18:53:05 <ventz> (thanks for all the help too)
Jan 25 18:53:13 <swisstomcat> Please use version 2.96 or later of the WebOS Quick Install tool to install the Package  Manager Service and the Preware application directly from the WebOS  Internals feed.
Jan 25 18:53:32 <swisstomcat> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2040315
Jan 25 18:54:12 <swisstomcat> which leads to
Jan 25 18:54:13 <swisstomcat> http://www.precentral.net/getting-started-preware
Jan 25 18:54:17 <swisstomcat> with screenshots
Jan 25 18:54:24 <Kyusaku> http://preware.org/#/install/
Jan 25 18:54:32 <ventz> I am looking at the online repository, and I don't see Preware
Jan 25 18:54:36 <Kyusaku> try that out
Jan 25 18:54:58 <Rick_work> ventz  which on-line repository?
Jan 25 18:55:49 <ventz> from the java program
Jan 25 18:55:55 <ventz> one of the tabs (when I go to tweaks)
Jan 25 18:56:26 <ventz> using 2.96 btw (just checked)
Jan 25 18:56:34 <swisstomcat> run webos quick install
Jan 25 18:56:37 <Rick_work> ventz, not tweaks
Jan 25 18:56:41 <swisstomcat> press the third button on the right
Jan 25 18:56:57 <swisstomcat> choose webos internals feed (all) from the dropdown list at the top
Jan 25 18:57:39 <ventz> there mac one doesn't have that
Jan 25 18:58:04 <ventz> I have the "install" screen, install button, and tools menu (also, +, -, and down arrow)
Jan 25 18:58:09 <Kyusaku> webos quick install should be the same on all platforms
Jan 25 18:58:20 <Kyusaku> go to the down arrow
Jan 25 18:58:27 <ventz> tools -> tweaks -> has: (system mods, styling mods, virtual keyboard config, online repo)
Jan 25 18:58:33 <ventz> ahh, i see it
Jan 25 18:58:33 <ventz> :)
Jan 25 18:58:38 <Kyusaku> that's what swiss meant by third button
Jan 25 18:58:42 <ventz> heh
Jan 25 18:58:44 <ventz> thanks
Jan 25 18:58:55 <swisstomcat> i was just phrasing the preware.org site
Jan 25 18:59:04 <ventz> preware -- got it
Jan 25 18:59:13 <swisstomcat> and the package manager service
Jan 25 18:59:38 <ventz> wow, there are a lot of battery % patches
Jan 25 18:59:46 <swisstomcat> yeah, different ones
Jan 25 18:59:50 <swisstomcat> pick what you like
Jan 25 18:59:51 <ventz> okay, pre-ware is installed
Jan 25 18:59:57 <ventz> i wish i could see pics of how they looked
Jan 25 19:00:04 <ventz> i picked one that only replaces with a %
Jan 25 19:00:12 <ventz> hey guys -- thanks a lot for all of your help
Jan 25 19:00:20 <swisstomcat> i have the icon and the percent beside
Jan 25 19:00:23 <gkatsev> ventz: so, got the pre?
Jan 25 19:00:31 <ventz> gkatsev: hey! yes (verizon)
Jan 25 19:00:33 <Rick_work> ventz -- don't forget to get teh package manager service
Jan 25 19:00:39 <Rick_work> and YOU HAVE TO REBOOT after installing it.
Jan 25 19:00:53 <Rick_work> and the first time you run preware it may take like 2 minutes to come up
Jan 25 19:01:22 <gkatsev> ventz: cool, welcome to webos.
Jan 25 19:01:32 <swisstomcat> ventz: if you're not interested in themes, it's a good idea to turn those feeds of in preware
Jan 25 19:01:38 <ventz> Rick_work: what does the package management service provide in comparison to luna and preware?
Jan 25 19:01:52 <ventz> swisstomcat: thanks, i am not at all -- i'll do that
Jan 25 19:01:52 <gkatsev> ventz: the service allows preware to do what it needs to do
Jan 25 19:02:02 <swisstomcat> preware is the gui, the package management service does all the hard work
Jan 25 19:02:02 <Rick_work> Pakcage manager is the binary component of preware, it's the part that talks to the world and installs apps.
Jan 25 19:02:05 <gkatsev> ventz: such as installing the applications and seeing what apps you have installed
Jan 25 19:02:12 <Rick_work> Preware itself is a javascript.html/css package
Jan 25 19:02:18 <ventz> okay
Jan 25 19:02:32 <Rick_work> ventz, did you download the verizon doctor when you got webos quick install?
Jan 25 19:02:45 <ventz> yes
Jan 25 19:02:52 <ventz> not the verizon -- because i didn't see it
Jan 25 19:02:54 <ventz> i did emulator
Jan 25 19:02:59 <Rick_work> ahhhhh....
Jan 25 19:03:00 <ventz> i think it defaulted to sprint100
Jan 25 19:03:04 <Rick_work> yep
Jan 25 19:03:06 <Rick_work> ok,
Jan 25 19:03:17 <Rick_work> looking for someone to get us the direct link to the verizon one
Jan 25 19:03:18 <ventz> i can't believe how blazing fast verizon is
Jan 25 19:03:21 <swisstomcat> you'll have over 1800 applications to choose from, ventz
Jan 25 19:03:28 <ventz> that's great
Jan 25 19:03:37 <ventz> yea, the default store, while okay, is not exactly full of neat apps
Jan 25 19:03:39 <Rick_work> are you willing to share your serial number via private message so I can update the wiki?
Jan 25 19:03:48 <swisstomcat> and a great community, as you can see :)
Jan 25 19:04:12 <ventz> i need to get back to work for a bit :)
Jan 25 19:04:14 <ventz> swisstomcat: very much so
Jan 25 19:04:16 <ventz> Rick_work: yes, pm
Jan 25 19:07:29 <ventz> What does the serial number link to?
Jan 25 19:07:41 <ventz> ahh, creation date
Jan 25 19:07:42 <ventz> okay
Jan 25 19:07:55 <ventz> alright, i'll be back in an a bit
Jan 25 19:32:59 <swisstomcat> i'm having some issues with the togglebutton, the text next to it to be precise .. it's position is off
Jan 25 19:33:30 <pandora--> do any of you have yahoo setup for calendar/addressbook?
Jan 25 19:33:41 <swisstomcat> no
Jan 25 19:33:44 <pandora--> and has it been working or not-working for the past week or so?
Jan 25 19:33:47 <swisstomcat> i tried e-mail, but that didn't work
Jan 25 19:33:58 <pandora--> it's worked fine for me for months
Jan 25 19:34:04 <pandora--> then about 2 weeks ago it stopped working
Jan 25 19:34:10 <pandora--> mail/calendar/addressbook
Jan 25 19:34:16 <pandora--> all say the password is wrong
Jan 25 19:34:20 <pandora--> which hasn't changed
Jan 25 19:34:23 <swisstomcat> did you check the precentral forums?
Jan 25 19:34:28 <swisstomcat> i remember seeing something
Jan 25 19:34:32 <pandora--> ah
Jan 25 19:38:03 <pandora--> hrm
Jan 25 19:38:10 <pandora--> nothing too obvious there with this
Jan 25 19:38:44 <haeffb_pre> swisstomcat: the label?
Jan 25 19:39:12 <swisstomcat> i made a group, a list inside, two rows and each row has a togglebutton
Jan 25 19:39:18 <swisstomcat> didn't use a label
Jan 25 19:40:14 <swisstomcat> maybe i'm doing it wron
Jan 25 19:40:16 <swisstomcat> wrong
Jan 25 19:43:23 <swisstomcat> http://pastie.org/793964
Jan 25 19:49:49 <haeffb_pre> can't see all of the pastie on my phone. you can check in Myles to see what I did...
Jan 25 19:50:04 <swisstomcat> ok, will do
Jan 25 19:50:24 <swisstomcat> i see, you have toggleButtons too
Jan 25 19:50:26 <swisstomcat> thanks
Jan 25 19:50:34 <haeffb_pre> prefs scene
Jan 25 19:51:34 <sui> hi
Jan 25 19:54:29 <codeslaw> hi
Jan 25 19:56:42 <atlanta> hi
Jan 25 19:58:06 <haeffb_pre> hi
Jan 25 20:00:21 <swisstomcat> haeffb: ok, getting clearer now ... thanks
Jan 25 20:00:23 <swisstomcat> hi sui
Jan 25 20:04:04 <sui> yesterday i got my VM to work - today i patched my pre "to death" ;)
Jan 25 20:04:11 <swisstomcat> hehe
Jan 25 20:04:32 <swisstomcat> i only have 3 patches
Jan 25 20:05:01 <sui> i chose some and now i can't turn off wireless lan and the battery ran off very quickly
Jan 25 20:05:16 <sui> swisstomcat: which one?
Jan 25 20:08:24 <swisstomcat> battery icon and percent, enable add/delete pages/unhide dev mode icon
Jan 25 20:08:51 <haeffb_pre> I have zero patches. seems like a pain to have to remove every time an update comes out.
Jan 25 20:09:24 <rasstar> i don't use patches either for the same reason
Jan 25 20:14:02 <sugardave> the only patch I ever put on mine is the download count....which I really don't need too much anymore
Jan 25 20:14:22 <swisstomcat> i kinda got used to the percent battery patch
Jan 25 20:14:50 <codeslaw> gggggggrrrrrrr i really wish palm would finish the freakin canvas tag implementation
Jan 25 20:15:31 <codeslaw> any question about it seems to always fall on deaf ears
Jan 25 20:15:53 <swisstomcat> i had some problems too with canvas
Jan 25 20:16:07 <swisstomcat> but my first app with it actually works
Jan 25 20:17:35 <codeslaw> my app works great, but i can't make a pro version
Jan 25 20:17:44 <codeslaw> until i can take the raw image data and save it as a file
Jan 25 20:17:46 <codeslaw> or upload it
Jan 25 20:17:49 <swisstomcat> the painting app?
Jan 25 20:17:50 <codeslaw> or anything at all
Jan 25 20:17:51 <codeslaw> yes
Jan 25 20:18:19 <swisstomcat> are you in the early access program?
Jan 25 20:18:22 <codeslaw> having to take a screenshot is a ridiculous work around
Jan 25 20:18:22 <swisstomcat> for 1.4
Jan 25 20:18:24 <codeslaw> yes
Jan 25 20:18:44 <swisstomcat> guess we can't discuss that here
Jan 25 20:18:55 <codeslaw> sent you a message
Jan 25 20:19:37 <swisstomcat> k
Jan 25 20:21:07 <mumbles> ok palm pre question, if my gmail contacts ar not syncing anyone have any ideas how to set it back up again
Jan 25 20:21:54 <swisstomcat> delete the account and re-add? that seemed to help the last time i had gcalendar troubles
Jan 25 20:22:57 <mumbles> right trying that
Jan 25 20:34:54 <ventz> Wow, the palmpre is fantstic
Jan 25 20:34:59 <ventz> some of the patches are simply a must-have
Jan 25 20:35:16 <ventz> Is there any way in the email client to have a reply-to and reply-all?
Jan 25 20:35:34 <mumbles> swisstomcat:  it helps if my pre dosent run out of juce
Jan 25 20:37:28 <ventz> BypassPINLock?
Jan 25 20:37:31 <ventz> i love you guys
Jan 25 20:37:43 <ventz> coming from an iPhone 5minute policy....
Jan 25 20:39:23 <LoneStar99> anyone know how I would kill a child node using Mojo?
Jan 25 20:47:41 <Rick_work> sure LoneStar99  call the delete method on the node
Jan 25 20:48:26 <sui> oh... what can i do when i can't reset my pre with webos doctor. found 0 devices and now i'm stuck with a usb-logo on my pre
Jan 25 20:48:29 <sui> any ideas?
Jan 25 20:49:24 <Rick_work> what desktop os?
Jan 25 20:49:54 <sui> mom seems to be wrong alert i made
Jan 25 20:50:06 <Rick_work> sui ?????
Jan 25 20:50:34 <sui> i had to remount "bootie palm"
Jan 25 20:51:09 <sui> and now resetting my devices goes on
Jan 25 20:51:15 <LoneStar99> Rick_work:  you know where i can find more info on the "delete" method?
Jan 25 20:51:42 <dylanmei> what kind of node? are you talking $('element').remove()
Jan 25 20:52:19 <LoneStar99> just a "div"
Jan 25 20:52:36 <dylanmei> http://www.prototypejs.org/api/element/remove
Jan 25 20:52:46 <Rick_work> yep, that's what I was going to point to.
Jan 25 20:52:47 <LoneStar99> ok thanks
Jan 25 20:52:51 <dylanmei> :)
Jan 25 20:52:53 <Rick_work> or you cando it in bare javascript.
Jan 25 20:52:56 <Rick_work> ctrl.removeChild(ctrl.childNodes[0]);
Jan 25 20:53:01 <dylanmei> yuk!
Jan 25 20:53:03 <dylanmei> :)
Jan 25 20:53:05 <LoneStar99> wow
Jan 25 20:54:25 <Rick_work> LoneStar99  just to be stupid, did you consider googling for "delete child node javascript"  and see what you got?   because that's what you asked, and it pops right up
Jan 25 20:54:38 <mumbles> awww
Jan 25 20:54:39 <mumbles> still no luck
Jan 25 20:54:56 <mumbles> or dose it onley synch some address the first ime round'?
Jan 25 20:56:43 <LoneStar99> Rick_work: i tried....  "javascript kill div child node"
Jan 25 20:57:00 <LoneStar99> i thought it was a kill not a delete...
Jan 25 20:57:13 <ventz> anyone have twitter app recomendations?
Jan 25 20:58:00 <LoneStar99> Rick_work: also noticed, i sometimes get a quicker, and better result to my question here
Jan 25 20:58:37 <swisstomcat> getspaz.com
Jan 25 21:00:39 <sugardave> Google?  what's that?
Jan 25 21:02:22 <haeffb_pre> ventz: I use Tweed.
Jan 25 21:02:50 <ventz> haeffb_pre: have you tried other ones? I am simply trying to avoid what happened on the iPhone -- where I went through 9 of them before I found tweetie
Jan 25 21:03:03 <gkatsev> ventz: i use tweefree.
Jan 25 21:03:46 <haeffb_pre> nope. tried tweed, liked it, didn't see a need to try others.
Jan 25 21:04:14 <haeffb_pre> spaz is free, right?
Jan 25 21:04:29 <gkatsev> its opensource, but i think its like 99 cents
Jan 25 21:04:46 <funkatron> no, it is free
Jan 25 21:04:53 <swisstomcat> $2
Jan 25 21:04:57 <funkatron> no, it is free.
Jan 25 21:05:10 <swisstomcat> it's free as in freedom
Jan 25 21:05:29 <gkatsev> funkatron: its free? didnt it move to be paid in 2010? thats what is said in the desc.
Jan 25 21:05:38 <swisstomcat> version 1.0 will be $2
Jan 25 21:05:52 <funkatron> haven't done that yet. still free as in beer and freedom
Jan 25 21:05:59 <gkatsev> ok, cool
Jan 25 21:06:24 <funkatron> sorry, phone
Jan 25 21:06:34 <gkatsev> funkatron: will it be if you have it now it will keep being free?
Jan 25 21:09:26 <sugardave> I see you
Jan 25 21:09:31 <ventz> the invisible shield screen protector is so damn thick
Jan 25 21:09:37 <ventz> it feels like a layer of plastic
Jan 25 21:09:45 <ventz> i am tempted to say screw it and not use any protector
Jan 25 21:10:08 <sugardave> ventz: I still just use the little pouch it came in and that's all
Jan 25 21:10:16 <Tibfib> ventz: I use phantomskinz
Jan 25 21:10:18 <haeffb_pre> I do not use protection
Jan 25 21:10:21 <Tibfib> can barely tell I t is there
Jan 25 21:10:26 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: livin' on the edge
Jan 25 21:10:34 <Tibfib> but it protects it extremely well
Jan 25 21:10:44 <gkatsev> i, too, go without protection.
Jan 25 21:10:46 <haeffb_pre> but, then, i'm married and 'fixed'
Jan 25 21:10:49 <swisstomcat> hehe
Jan 25 21:10:57 <swisstomcat> i'm also using the sock
Jan 25 21:11:12 <gkatsev> ooh, foursquare update looks nice
Jan 25 21:11:25 <sugardave> cool, was wondering if they would ever update it
Jan 25 21:11:49 <gkatsev> it went from like 0.6.4 to 0.7.3
Jan 25 21:12:03 * sugardave goes to check it out.
Jan 25 21:12:47 <ventz> haeffb_pre: haha
Jan 25 21:13:06 <ventz> Tibfib: how do you like it?
Jan 25 21:13:32 <codeslaw> my pre is on the pill, so we should be cool
Jan 25 21:14:00 <ventz> =) .. hope it's not yahz ... that causes weird side effects apperantly
Jan 25 21:14:09 <codeslaw> haha
Jan 25 21:14:27 <codeslaw> ya, i heard it from some hot doctor lady on TV
Jan 25 21:14:55 <sugardave> now it's all gray and colorless
Jan 25 21:15:22 <gkatsev> yeah
Jan 25 21:15:42 <gkatsev> tips and todos still doesnt load
Jan 25 21:15:57 <sugardave> yeah, but at least the me page isn't cycling forever
Jan 25 21:16:06 <ventz> gkatsev: what did you do?
Jan 25 21:16:45 <gkatsev> on foursquare. i doesnt load in the app for some reason
Jan 25 21:18:53 <ventz> hmm, using full screen patch in horizontal mode, it doesn't show url at all. weird.
Jan 25 21:19:10 <gkatsev> ventz: are you using the multimod?
Jan 25 21:19:26 <ventz> no, what's that?
Jan 25 21:19:42 <gkatsev> it shows the urlbar in landscape mode
Jan 25 21:21:37 <gkatsev> anyway, heading out now
Jan 25 21:21:37 <gkatsev> bye
Jan 25 21:21:55 <ventz> bye
Jan 25 21:30:03 <sugardave> anybody use Mojo Matters recursive list code?  It seems to break when trying to use a dynamic list system
Jan 25 21:33:04 <haeffb_pre> haven't looked at it.
Jan 25 21:33:23 <sugardave> seems pretty straightforward...just getting an exception when trying to set up the inner list
Jan 25 21:33:47 <sugardave> even added the mystical 'instantiateChildWidgets(document)' to no avail
Jan 25 21:35:57 <ventz> yea, horizontal still doesn't work with url bar
Jan 25 21:37:18 <swisstomcat> haven't played with it yet, sugardave
Jan 25 21:37:21 <ventz> Is there any way to get to the universal search when you have a few cards open?
Jan 25 21:37:34 <swisstomcat> just start typing on the keyboard, ventz
Jan 25 21:37:52 <ventz> ahh, i am trying to scroll up and see it pop up
Jan 25 21:38:00 <ventz> swisstomcat: wait, even while in apps?
Jan 25 21:38:06 <swisstomcat> but first press the center button .. eh gesture up
Jan 25 21:38:21 <ventz> thanks. that's what i was looking for. I was in the sms app
Jan 25 21:38:21 <ventz> :)
Jan 25 21:38:22 <swisstomcat> the app can be open but not active
Jan 25 21:38:37 <swisstomcat> sugardave: got any code to look at?
Jan 25 21:38:50 * swisstomcat is playing with a horizontal scroller
Jan 25 21:39:03 <sugardave> swisstomcat: let me get an example together...my stuff is pretty whacked out at the moment
Jan 25 21:43:07 <haeffb_pre> Public Service Announcement: Mizzou @ Kansas on ESPN at 8pm CST
Jan 25 21:44:59 <swisstomcat> whatever that means :)
Jan 25 21:46:06 <ventz> haeffb_pre: tweed looks very nice and clean
Jan 25 21:46:52 <codeslaw> bah i'm still too mad that texas lost to freakin uconn
Jan 25 21:52:16 <haeffb_pre> hook 'em?
Jan 25 21:56:49 <codeslaw> yes
Jan 25 21:56:58 <codeslaw> \m/
Jan 25 22:01:46 <Rick_work> codeslaw  wait till you lose to Kansas.  Rock Chalk.
Jan 25 22:02:13 <codeslaw> rick_work: lol
Jan 25 22:02:47 <Rick_work> haeffb_pre  you're not a tigers fan are you?  I don't want to be forced to never speak to you again as long as I live.  But you wrote that game match backwards, and I'm not worried.
Jan 25 22:02:50 <codeslaw> actually, should be an awesome game
Jan 25 22:02:56 <Rick_work> !s/not/now/
Jan 25 22:03:10 <sugardave> swisstomcat: here you go, the pertinent js: http://webos.pastebin.com/d36227657
Jan 25 22:03:31 <sugardave> and the simple templates: http://webos.pastebin.com/d444769d4
Jan 25 22:03:43 <sugardave> I just thought of something to try, though
Jan 25 22:03:58 <swisstomcat> k
Jan 25 22:04:04 <swisstomcat> let me have a look
Jan 25 22:05:57 <haeffb_pre> Rick_work: you, sir, are dead to me. Go Tigers!
Jan 25 22:05:59 <sugardave> so, my thought didn't work
Jan 25 22:06:51 <swisstomcat> i see some typos
Jan 25 22:07:11 <swisstomcat> did you c&p?
Jan 25 22:07:12 <sugardave> swisstomcat: don't bother with those, I was editing in pastebin
Jan 25 22:07:14 <sugardave> code works
Jan 25 22:07:18 <swisstomcat> allright
Jan 25 22:09:49 <Rick_work> haeffb_pre http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/360355/ku_bkc_mu_04900h400w.jpg
Jan 25 22:10:28 <sugardave> swisstomcat: here's the error I get: Error: Caught exception in List widget 'roomMeasurementsList' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined
Jan 25 22:10:49 <swisstomcat> i've seen this error too
Jan 25 22:11:01 <swisstomcat> not other error?
Jan 25 22:11:07 <sugardave> no, that's it
Jan 25 22:12:21 <haeffb_pre> off to play bball. will be back to battle 'hawks later.
Jan 25 22:12:48 <swisstomcat> cu
Jan 25 22:12:55 <Rick_work> It's been more than 11 years since you guys won in the Phog...  give it up.  :-)   And see you later.
Jan 25 22:14:25 <LoneStar99> have the following code, but does not seem to work as thought: http://www.pastebin.org/82303
Jan 25 22:14:49 <sugardave> Rick_work: have you messed with Mojo Matters' recursive list example at all?
Jan 25 22:15:14 <Rick_work> no.  I looked at it and decided I had not had enough caffine.
Jan 25 22:15:23 <LoneStar99> only want "this.controller.get('neo').remove();" to work if line 2 is true
Jan 25 22:15:45 <sugardave> Rick_work: hehe, yeah
Jan 25 22:15:49 <LoneStar99> sorry tapped
Jan 25 22:16:13 <Rick_work> no really,  My head wasn't anywhere NEAR open enough to model the recursion.  I needed more CPU
Jan 25 22:16:24 <sugardave> Rick_work: for static lists it's really simple-seeming
Jan 25 22:16:31 <LoneStar99> other button in my app interfere
Jan 25 22:16:56 <sugardave> which is their example...but something is not right with a dynamic inner list...wondering if it it's a limitation
Jan 25 22:17:37 <sugardave> actually, I'm using two dynamic lists
Jan 25 22:17:39 <sugardave> hmm...
Jan 25 22:18:11 <swisstomcat> yeah, i'm trying to wrap my head around it
Jan 25 22:18:22 <dawm> starting to get some hits on VZW users.. one of which is a 1.4 pixi
Jan 25 22:18:45 <swisstomcat> lonestar99: a listener with this.controller.document in it?
Jan 25 22:19:01 <sugardave> dawm: oooh, nice
Jan 25 22:19:02 <swisstomcat> dawm: 1.4 is not that far out
Jan 25 22:19:21 <dawm> swisstomcat, i know
Jan 25 22:19:37 <sugardave> it's time for me to upgrade my tracker
Jan 25 22:19:54 <swisstomcat> sugardave: would'nt have the innerlist different ids for each one of it?
Jan 25 22:20:03 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  listener in the "FirstAssistant.prototype.scSwap= function(event){" ?
Jan 25 22:20:21 <swisstomcat> lonestar99: what are you listening too?
Jan 25 22:20:34 <swisstomcat> lonestar99: what element i mean (list,button,...)
Jan 25 22:20:42 <sugardave> swisstomcat: in the template or in the innerList model?
Jan 25 22:20:55 <swisstomcat> in the model
Jan 25 22:21:15 <swisstomcat> or the template
Jan 25 22:21:20 <swisstomcat> i'm getting confused :)
Jan 25 22:21:41 <LoneStar99> <div id=""></div>  "event.target.id.match(divRE)"
Jan 25 22:21:56 <sugardave> swisstomcat: so in the template of the inner list I use name="" instead of id
Jan 25 22:22:48 <sugardave> swisstomcat: in the model of the outerList object, each outerList item has another property (innerList) that maps the innerList model items, so each of those would be unique, yes
Jan 25 22:24:42 <sugardave> well, the pastebin says innerItem, but you see what I mean?
Jan 25 22:25:19 <swisstomcat> i had something similar with drawers
Jan 25 22:25:45 <sugardave> I wonder if I should switch to a drawer for the outer list items
Jan 25 22:26:03 <codeslaw> so, I am catching the back-gesture to push the intro scene with an added parameter.  however, this breaks when Application Switching is turned on in Advanced Gestures... anyone have any insight there?
Jan 25 22:26:03 <swisstomcat> but there i used id's that were made up using the outer list data
Jan 25 22:26:08 <sugardave> but even then, I have a 3rd sub-list hiearchy to deal with
Jan 25 22:28:05 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: i switched from catching the back-gesture to doing my processing in the deactivate function
Jan 25 22:28:35 <codeslaw> well, heres the situation
Jan 25 22:28:42 <swisstomcat> i can't follow your code, lonestar99
Jan 25 22:29:48 <codeslaw> intro scene, select "new canvas", opens a new scene with the drawing board.  If the user swipes back and goes to the intro scene, i want them to be able to return to the drawing they have started, so I catch the back event and then push the intro scene manually, with a parameter to show a button returning them to their current drawing
Jan 25 22:30:15 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: no worries, did not think of something, my code would not work, even if I wanted it to
Jan 25 22:30:16 <codeslaw> if i let the back-gesture go through, the current scene is lost
Jan 25 22:32:04 <swisstomcat> is it lost?
Jan 25 22:32:12 <sugardave> swisstomcat: hmm, it seems something else might be wrong after all, as I can't seem to make it work with a static item set, either
Jan 25 22:34:14 <swisstomcat> sugardave: i've seen some code where the html for the innerlist is injected at runtime and then they call instantiateChildWidgets
Jan 25 22:34:44 <swisstomcat> and call setupwidget before
Jan 25 22:36:18 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: instead of popping the "new canvas" scene, you push an intro-scene over it?
Jan 25 22:36:27 <codeslaw> yes
Jan 25 22:38:12 <codeslaw> it's set up so that, once the canvas scene has been opened, it will not close until a) they close the app, or b) they open a new canvas
Jan 25 22:39:09 <swisstomcat> i see
Jan 25 22:39:12 <codeslaw> it works great
Jan 25 22:39:12 <swisstomcat> and what breaks this?
Jan 25 22:39:25 <codeslaw> advanced gestures -> switch applications
Jan 25 22:41:36 <sugardave> swisstomcat: I think you just told me what I need to hear...I bet I have to do something with Mojo.View.render, actually
Jan 25 22:41:51 <codeslaw> i mean, is that acceptable, since that option changes the way the back-gesture works anyway?
Jan 25 22:42:15 <swisstomcat> don't even know that option
Jan 25 22:42:49 <swisstomcat> what does it do?
Jan 25 22:43:32 <sugardave> let's you half-swipe to go back, down-swipe from top to get the wifi menu, some way to fast-switch between apps, but I forget what that is/it doesn't work for me
Jan 25 22:49:25 <Rick_work> gazza razza rigga frugger.
Jan 25 22:49:40 <Rick_work> CAN NOT get komodo to load a project.  Never displays a file select dialog.  :-(
Jan 25 22:49:53 <Rick_work> have uninstalled and redownloaded 4 times now.  Arrrggghh
Jan 25 22:50:10 <codeslaw> swisstomcat: nevermind, didn't realize that half-swipes then add takeover that functionality, works as intended =P
Jan 25 22:50:32 <codeslaw> rick_work: mac, windows, linux?
Jan 25 22:50:42 <Rick_work> windows 7 32 bit
Jan 25 22:50:49 <codeslaw> ah, can't help ya
Jan 25 22:51:48 <swisstomcat> rick_work: i assume you've selected a project path beforehand
Jan 25 22:53:12 <Rick_work> swisstomcat  ????????????
Jan 25 22:53:41 <swisstomcat> don't you have to specify a project folder before you can actually open something?
Jan 25 22:53:51 * swisstomcat starts komodo to be sure
Jan 25 22:53:59 <Rick_work> file / open project  should pick up a file picker.
Jan 25 22:54:02 <Rick_work> and it doesn't
Jan 25 22:55:18 <Rick_work> and file/exit  doesn't work.  :(
Jan 25 22:55:26 <Rick_work> ok,  I'm giving up for today.
Jan 25 22:55:32 <swisstomcat> hmm, works here
Jan 25 22:55:36 <Rick_work> heck,  I may go make this an Ares project.
Jan 25 22:55:37 <Rick_work> :)
Jan 25 22:55:53 <swisstomcat> almost midnight here
Jan 25 22:56:10 <codeslaw> i feel so uncomfortable in ares
Jan 25 22:56:21 <Rick_work> swisstomcat  16:55 here, almost time to go home.
Jan 25 22:57:21 * Rick_work prepares to go make pizza with tigerstripes in yellow peppers and black olives for the ceremonial consumption of the foe.
Jan 25 22:57:52 <sugardave> mmmm....pizza
Jan 25 22:58:36 <sugardave> I think I know my problem with the lists...I failed to take into consideration the whole 'child widgets must share the same model as the parent widget' thing
Jan 25 22:58:39 <sugardave> weak
Jan 25 23:00:05 <swisstomcat> what are you trying to do anyway?
Jan 25 23:01:36 <sugardave> really just trying to organize my lists in a structure similar to the db...so I have multiple "top-level" containers, and their contents are containers for the actual data I'm interested in
Jan 25 23:01:44 <sugardave> group and sub-group, basically
Jan 25 23:04:14 <swisstomcat> i still think that the outer model needs an id
Jan 25 23:04:24 <swisstomcat> and that id is used in the inner model
Jan 25 23:04:30 <swisstomcat> to make unique ids
Jan 25 23:04:42 <swisstomcat> for each list inside the outer list
Jan 25 23:04:55 <swisstomcat> but i could be wrong :)
Jan 25 23:06:00 <sugardave> oh, I see what you mean, in the outer list item template?  right, that's another thing I can try is by changing that to name="#{someVar}", but that doesn't explain why it works that way in Mojo Matters :D
Jan 25 23:06:39 <swisstomcat> yeah, "myname_#{id}"
Jan 25 23:09:11 <swisstomcat> ping rick_work
Jan 25 23:09:29 <sugardave> oh, beautiful...you can access sub-items thusly in html templates, I'd no idea :D  #{property.subItem}
Jan 25 23:12:15 <swisstomcat> allright
Jan 25 23:12:20 <swisstomcat> horizonal scroller works
Jan 25 23:12:22 <swisstomcat> time for bed
Jan 25 23:12:58 <swisstomcat> nightz
Jan 25 23:23:29 <LoneStar99> i have a node, that is created via pagination button, need the node to dissappear anytime the search button is clicked
Jan 25 23:24:10 <LoneStar99> problem is that node is not always created, and produces and error
Jan 25 23:27:11 <LoneStar99> is there a way to check if a "node" id is present "created"  -  so other steps can be taken...
Jan 25 23:40:56 <sugardave> LoneStar99: if (!this.controller.get(id)) { // node doesn't exist }
Jan 25 23:41:57 <LoneStar99> sugardave: thanks, let me try that, got an email today from palm about fixing a bug...
Jan 25 23:52:18 <LoneStar99> sugardave: your code works, but noticed another bug with nodes..
Jan 25 23:55:19 <LoneStar99> my pagination adds more content after previous results, if more than 1 page of results are displayed, only one page is removed, when search is clicked...
Jan 26 00:01:05 <sugardave> LoneStar99: why is that a bug with nodes?
Jan 26 00:02:35 <LoneStar99> sorry bug with my code...
Jan 26 00:05:19 <LoneStar99> <div id="node">page 1</div><div id="node'>page 2</div><div id="node">page 3</div> --- "this.controller.get('neo').remove();" only removes first set of div
Jan 26 00:05:42 <LoneStar99> 'neo' = 'node'
Jan 26 00:07:13 <sugardave> yeah, you're using the same id over and over again
Jan 26 00:07:50 <sugardave> you can't have more than one unique id
Jan 26 00:08:27 <LoneStar99> yeah, what is another option...
Jan 26 00:08:55 <sugardave> give them all unique ids
Jan 26 00:09:11 <sugardave> keep track of them
Jan 26 00:09:19 <sugardave> remove them all when required
Jan 26 00:10:50 <LoneStar99> ok what would the best way of keeping up with them?
Jan 26 00:10:55 <sugardave> or use name="" instead of id and wrap them in one more parent div that has a unique id you can remove
Jan 26 00:11:34 <sugardave> an array, an object, anything really...you just need the strings
Jan 26 00:13:50 <LoneStar99> this is the code that creates the node http://www.pastebin.org/82363
Jan 26 00:14:08 <LoneStar99> or nodes better yet...
Jan 26 00:14:54 <sugardave> yeah, line 3 is your problem
Jan 26 00:16:00 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jan 26 00:16:45 <LoneStar99> back in the day, test many different node codes,and that is what worked
Jan 26 00:16:55 <LoneStar99> tested
Jan 26 00:18:47 <sugardave> but, the problem is you're not generating valid HTML...so the DOM parser won't do what you expect
Jan 26 00:18:58 <sugardave> you need to make line 3 be dynamic
Jan 26 00:19:06 <sugardave> and keep track of those values
Jan 26 00:19:19 <sugardave> so you can loop through and delete them all in the next search
Jan 26 00:21:55 <LoneStar99> initially thought one code snipplet would do the trick... oh well...
Jan 26 00:23:01 <sugardave> don't you have some kind of namespace object you can just add a property to?
Jan 26 00:23:11 <sugardave> this should only take you like 10 minutes with testing
Jan 26 00:25:36 <LoneStar99> trying to think how I keep track of the pagination..
Jan 26 00:25:46 <LoneStar99> it is a global
Jan 26 00:26:53 <sugardave> okay, so global.newArray = []; global.newArray.push(theUniqueStringForNode);  then later loop through global.newArray and do the .delete() on those values
Jan 26 00:29:28 <Yatharth> hi everyone
Jan 26 00:31:05 <LoneStar99> sugardave: thanks working in the fix
Jan 26 00:31:13 <LoneStar99> hello Yatharth
Jan 26 00:33:00 <Yatharth1> rehi
Jan 26 00:33:25 <Yatharth1> i tried the helloworld example and after that i tried that after clicking the command buttons 5 times i displayed a new scene
Jan 26 00:33:43 <sugardave> LoneStar99: don't forget to pop them from the array or just reset it to [] when you're done deleting the nodes
Jan 26 00:34:03 <Yatharth1> this thing is working fine but when i checked the log
Jan 26 00:34:12 <Yatharth1> it showed 2 errrors
Jan 26 00:35:21 <Yatharth1> [20100124-03:15:59.303211] error: The scene 'Second' could not be pushed because an exception occurred.
Jan 26 00:35:21 <Yatharth1> [20100124-03:15:59.304246] error: Error: require Failed: The scene assistant 'SecondAssistant' is not defined. Did you remember to include it in index.html?, line undefined, file undefined
Jan 26 00:35:22 <Yatharth1> these were the errors which it was showing
Jan 26 00:35:26 <LoneStar99> sguardave: http://www.pastebin.org/82368
Jan 26 00:36:07 <Yatharth1> i am not able to figure out what these errors are and why are they coming
Jan 26 00:36:25 <LoneStar99> pretty sure line 6 is wrong "appendChild(neo + 1);"
Jan 26 00:36:46 <sugardave> Yatharth1: did you include the assistant file for second scene in your sources.json file?
Jan 26 00:37:30 <sugardave> LoneStar99: you shouldn't change your appendChild line...you're still appending neo, it just has a different ID...nothing but changing the id string and tracking it should change
Jan 26 00:45:27 <sugardave> LoneStar99: line 4 needs to be a string, not an object
Jan 26 00:48:48 <LoneStar99> sugardave:  just noticed;  the loop may not work, need to figure out how I set up the pagination...
Jan 26 00:49:17 <sugardave> there's probably a better way and you can do it without the loop
Jan 26 00:49:42 <sugardave> element.identify() generates and returns a unique id for your element
Jan 26 00:50:11 <sugardave> so var trackString = neo.identify(); global.newArray.push(trackString);
Jan 26 00:51:01 <LoneStar99> like you mentioned, i just need to keep a tap on how many pages are open, then run a remove loop that many times...
Jan 26 00:51:14 <LoneStar99> tap = tab
Jan 26 01:17:36 <JenP> hi all!
Jan 26 01:22:05 <haeffb> hi jenp
Jan 26 01:22:12 <JenP> hi haeffb!
Jan 26 01:22:30 <JenP> Did you submit?
Jan 26 01:22:34 <haeffb> I learned today that rick_work/home is my mortal enemy
Jan 26 01:22:40 <JenP> LOL
Jan 26 01:22:43 <JenP> ok how's that?
Jan 26 01:22:58 <haeffb> apparently he's a fan of the Kansas Jayhawks.
Jan 26 01:23:04 <LoneStar99> howdy JenP
Jan 26 01:23:08 <JenP> well he does live in Kansas..
Jan 26 01:23:13 <JenP> hi LoneStar99
Jan 26 01:23:21 <haeffb> although why anyone would voluntarily choose to be so is beyond human comprehension
Jan 26 01:23:28 <JenP> lol
Jan 26 01:24:28 <JenP> so here's a question...if i want a list to pop up from a toggle do i need to make a div in the html for the list to pop out of?
Jan 26 01:26:17 <LoneStar99> what sort of list?
Jan 26 01:26:38 <JenP> a pop up list with numbers, and a custom value
Jan 26 01:26:40 <LoneStar99> list or list seleteo?
Jan 26 01:26:45 <JenP> ?
Jan 26 01:26:57 <JenP> this will be my first list..
Jan 26 01:27:19 <LoneStar99> list selector is like a drop-down on a website
Jan 26 01:27:45 <JenP> hmm well i want this one to show up if a toggle button is true
Jan 26 01:28:18 <LoneStar99> what is the "toggle" just got a pre last week, and have not messed with it
Jan 26 01:28:53 <JenP> oh it's like a slider button...um one sec
Jan 26 01:29:09 <JenP> popupSubmenu looks like that what i should use
Jan 26 01:29:12 <LoneStar99> http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-mojo-development-resources/ui-widget-list/43-webos-mojo-ui-widget-list/297-listselector
Jan 26 01:30:18 <LoneStar99> have only messed with List selector...
Jan 26 01:30:43 <haeffb> JenP: I would suggest that you add a list selector widget. and the enable/disable it depending on the value of the toggle.
Jan 26 01:31:00 <JenP> no worries jfelectron told me to use the popup last night
Jan 26 01:31:06 <JenP> really haeffb?
Jan 26 01:31:15 <JenP> not a pop up?
Jan 26 01:41:39 <haeffb> not a popup. That would be...confusing behavior.
Jan 26 01:41:51 <haeffb> if you're trying to do what I think you're trying to do.
Jan 26 01:41:54 <JenP> yeah?
Jan 26 01:42:12 <JenP> slide toggle to month...popup of how many months or months from calc
Jan 26 01:43:09 <haeffb> slide toggle to month. enable the list selector that gives a choice of X months, Y months or Calculated months.
Jan 26 01:43:18 <JenP> right
Jan 26 01:44:07 <JenP> i think we want the same thing
Jan 26 01:44:17 <haeffb> I think the list selector widget is a better choice for this type of user interaction than a popupSubmenu.
Jan 26 01:44:23 <haeffb> but, that's just me.
Jan 26 01:44:25 <JenP> damn
Jan 26 01:44:37 <JenP> kk well i've got to learn how to use the list widget anyway
Jan 26 01:44:57 <haeffb> this is not a list widget. it's a listSelector widget. BIG difference.
Jan 26 01:45:03 <haeffb> and listSelector is easier... :)
Jan 26 01:45:16 <JenP> if you say so...
Jan 26 01:54:01 <peterson79> .
Jan 26 01:54:43 <peterson79> Hi All, does the cavas tag support image clipping?
Jan 26 01:58:32 <Yatharth> the application which i am developing needs to display the data in table form.....But the problem is there are a a number of fields so at once it is not possible to show all the fields because the size of the screen is not so big
Jan 26 01:59:02 <Yatharth> so can anyone suggest me some way so that i can solve this problem
Jan 26 02:00:51 <LoneStar99> Yatharth: do you have a link to what the original data looks like?
Jan 26 02:01:37 <Yatharth> actually in my table there are around 7 fields
Jan 26 02:02:48 <LoneStar99> what about displayin info vertical and not horizontal
Jan 26 02:03:09 <Yatharth> ohhkk
Jan 26 02:03:38 <Yatharth> how can i do so can u please suggest me??
Jan 26 02:04:04 <Yatharth> i mean how to display my data vertically?
Jan 26 02:04:27 <osx5> hello all
Jan 26 02:04:50 <osx5> webos Rocks
Jan 26 02:06:14 <bpadalino> haha
Jan 26 02:06:19 <bpadalino> hilarious
Jan 26 02:07:06 <peterson79> Has anyone used ctx.clip() on the canvas element?
Jan 26 02:08:26 <Yatharth> is thr a way to add scroll bar to my table??
Jan 26 02:09:15 <Yatharth> since the number of fields are many if i add scroll bar then it may solve my problem
Jan 26 02:09:36 <Yatharth> But can anyone tell me how to add scroller to my table
Jan 26 02:10:04 <LoneStar99> Yatharth: what sort of info is it?
Jan 26 02:10:47 <Yatharth> actually i am developing a fund raising project
Jan 26 02:11:12 <Yatharth> so one table is for donors another is for benefitiary
Jan 26 02:12:11 <Yatharth> so table the fields would be like id.name,address,city,phone number,amount donated
Jan 26 02:16:17 <JenP> k LoneStar99 how do i launch the listselector from the toggle button?
Jan 26 02:16:30 <Yatharth> LoneStar99:So do have any idea whether its possible to get scroll bar in a table??
Jan 26 02:16:54 <JenP> Yatharth you should be able to add a scroller to your scene
Jan 26 02:17:53 <JenP> look at scroller widget
Jan 26 02:18:14 <Yatharth> ok
Jan 26 02:18:38 <Yatharth> and is it not possible to get scroll bar in my table??
Jan 26 02:20:56 <JenP> idk Yatharth if you look at UIStyles they've got a scroller on an image...so maybe you can add one
Jan 26 02:22:51 <Yatharth> UIStyles???
Jan 26 02:23:08 <Yatharth> where can i find this application
Jan 26 02:23:09 <JenP> you have the palm SDK right
Jan 26 02:23:10 <Yatharth> ?
Jan 26 02:23:16 <Yatharth> yes
Jan 26 02:23:19 <JenP> look in your program folder
Jan 26 02:23:53 <JenP> sorry it's called style matters
Jan 26 02:24:00 <JenP> do you know where to get it?
Jan 26 02:24:03 <Yatharth> ok
Jan 26 02:24:10 <Yatharth> ya i know
Jan 26 02:24:12 <Yatharth> that
Jan 26 02:24:20 <JenP> kk look at the scroller example
Jan 26 02:24:36 <Yatharth> kk
Jan 26 02:24:37 <Yatharth> thanx alot
Jan 26 02:24:51 <JenP> hope it helps
Jan 26 02:26:12 <Yatharth> hey there's no application in the sample codes i have
Jan 26 02:26:27 <Yatharth> named style matters
Jan 26 02:29:54 <JenP> C:\Program Files\Palm\SDK\share\samplecode\stylematters
Jan 26 02:29:59 <JenP> not in there?
Jan 26 02:37:55 <JenP> Rick!
Jan 26 02:38:02 <haeffb_pre> JenP: do setupWidget like normal, but set disabled: true
Jan 26 02:38:58 <JenP> lol haeffb_pre set the list model to true?
Jan 26 02:39:01 <haeffb_pre> then create an event listener on Mojo.Event.propertyChange for the toggle
Jan 26 02:40:07 <haeffb_pre> nono. look at the docs for listWidget
Jan 26 02:40:21 <JenP> looking
Jan 26 02:46:37 <rboatright> hello
Jan 26 02:47:00 <JenP> hi rick!
Jan 26 02:47:20 <rboatright> JenP
Jan 26 02:47:56 <rboatright> forgotto identify
Jan 26 02:48:04 <JenP> do you always need to bindAsEventListner in order to use Mojo.Event.listen?
Jan 26 02:48:11 <rboatright> distracted by game
Jan 26 02:48:17 <JenP> lol
Jan 26 02:49:03 <rboatright> no
Jan 26 02:49:42 <JenP> so in this
Jan 26 02:49:46 <JenP> this.sceneAssistant.controller.setupWidget('toggleMonth',this.toggleMonthattributes, this.toggleMonthmodel);
Jan 26 02:49:56 <rboatright> you can bond(thiz) and then just mojo enent listen
Jan 26 02:50:01 <JenP> what am i listening for? this.toggleMonthmodel?
Jan 26 02:51:06 <rboatright> hatw not an event
Jan 26 02:51:40 <JenP> how to i make it an event?
Jan 26 02:51:52 <rboatright> look up.toggle wiget in dos. what event  does it throw?
Jan 26 02:52:17 <JenP> cannot call menthod "bindAsEventListener" of undefined
Jan 26 02:52:35 <JenP> this.sceneAssistant.controller.setupWidget('toggleMonth',this.toggleMonthattributes, this.toggleMonthmodel);
Jan 26 02:52:44 <JenP> this.toggleMonthChange = this.toggleMonth.bindAsEventListener(this);
Jan 26 02:52:52 <JenP> Mojo.Event.listen('toggleMonth', Mojo.Event.propertyChange, this.toggleMonthChange);
Jan 26 02:52:58 <JenP> that's how i have it set up
Jan 26 02:53:32 <rboatright> so. the event is oropertychange
Jan 26 02:53:46 <JenP> yes
Jan 26 02:55:04 <rboatright> and in togglemonth you read tthe model for on./off
Jan 26 02:55:23 <JenP> true/false right
Jan 26 02:55:49 <rboatright> on me pre on couch watching game
Jan 26 02:56:06 <JenP> oh i'm sorry ...watch the game
Jan 26 02:56:37 <rboatright> 47 30 :)
Jan 26 02:56:46 <JenP> who's winning?
Jan 26 02:57:44 <rboatright> 50 ku  30 mo evil .slave state going DOWN
Jan 26 02:57:54 <rboatright> AT  HALF
Jan 26 02:58:04 <JenP> LOL..this explains haefb earlier statement
Jan 26 02:58:44 <rboatright> oh?
Jan 26 02:58:55 <JenP> yes...you are his mortal enemy
Jan 26 02:59:53 <rboatright> this rivalry goes back 170 years to when raiders from mo burned lawrence to the ground...
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