**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 02 02:59:58 2010 Feb 02 03:00:39 one sec i need to look it up Feb 02 03:00:50 "/msg nickserv register " Feb 02 03:01:02 http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering Feb 02 03:01:11 <_azdak> beat me to it haha Feb 02 03:01:23 thanks Tibfib Feb 02 03:01:28 yep Feb 02 03:03:28 nothing appears - let me look further Feb 02 03:05:27 <_azdak> this.controller.get('go_button') ? Feb 02 03:06:08 <_azdak> if there's no error, I'm guessing it's the selector Feb 02 03:11:11 <_azdak> g/g. codeslaw- thanks for letting me pick your brain a bit Feb 02 03:11:25 any time Feb 02 03:16:21 _azdak: the following works: "this.controller.setupWidget('go_button',this.buttonAtt1,this.buttonModel1) Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get('go_button'),Mojo.Event.tap, this.send.bind(this));" Feb 02 03:18:34 anyone know how to emulate connection events? Feb 02 03:18:54 this haiti app just makes me angry Feb 02 03:19:09 yeah it is ridiculous Feb 02 03:19:18 i'm glad people are voicing their angst against it Feb 02 03:19:28 testing Feb 02 03:19:29 altho doing it from the app catalog is only making their chances better Feb 02 03:19:40 Meppum: we see you Feb 02 03:19:42 http://forums.precentral.net/off-topic/228214-app-saves-lives.html Feb 02 03:19:43 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=4867 Feb 02 03:19:46 thanks for the help JenP and LoneStar99 fo getting me registered Feb 02 03:19:53 np Feb 02 03:20:06 u welcome Feb 02 03:20:25 so yesterday i got this awesome 1 star review from an anon, and all they said was my app sucked, even though all of my other reviews are 4 star or greater Feb 02 03:20:27 and for those in favor of the app leaving reviews saying 'read precentral its legit' .. i dont see anywhere on precentral that anyone is saying its legit Feb 02 03:20:42 anyone else experience that? Feb 02 03:20:54 meppum, ive got a few of those, ive got a few that suggested things that ive since added or fixed yet they dont feel the need to update their rating Feb 02 03:21:11 dawm why did they put that? Feb 02 03:21:19 the sad thing the haiti money donation stuff, is gonna fall in the wrong hands, the poor will simply be screwed, while the politicians and business men make money Feb 02 03:21:22 JenP, ? Feb 02 03:21:35 LoneStar99: well put Feb 02 03:21:48 'read precentral its legit' did someone say that? sorry i'm coming in late on this Feb 02 03:21:56 LoneStar99, the sad part is, its taking the prize away from someone that actually spent time developing an app rathet than thinking of a scheme to get money Feb 02 03:22:05 money ; only makes corruption worse Feb 02 03:22:08 just read Naomi Campbell's "The Shock Doctrine" and you'll know how we'll 'rebuild' Haiti Feb 02 03:22:10 dawn: i almost feel like it's another developer that didn't like that my app was rated at the top of the category Feb 02 03:22:12 JenP, yeah atleast 2 reviewers claimed precentral said its legit Feb 02 03:22:25 meppum, thats stupid, but i can see it happening Feb 02 03:22:27 dawm: yeah it really sucks Feb 02 03:22:47 theres one other app taht competes with mine, i was happy to pay for their app (Even tho it was more than mine) and give it a honest review Feb 02 03:23:02 no need to knock each other down Feb 02 03:23:17 dawm: just make yours better Feb 02 03:23:19 :) Feb 02 03:23:41 dawm i totally agree with you Feb 02 03:23:45 heh i believe they 'borrowed' some elements from mine Feb 02 03:23:58 i made my app cause i wanted it, simple as that Feb 02 03:24:03 yeah i think you can be certain of that one Feb 02 03:24:22 "feed the children" one of the biggest marketers for world hunger give only about 5% of the money they make to the cause Feb 02 03:24:34 and that is a "christian organization" Feb 02 03:24:42 i mean i won the predevcamp contest.. you cant beat that ;p Feb 02 03:24:53 dawm: oh niceeeeeee, what did you get Feb 02 03:25:08 prize turned out to be $250 since it took a few months for them to issue the prizes Feb 02 03:25:17 i know dawm... Feb 02 03:25:23 what was it supposed to be? lol Feb 02 03:25:29 $200 i think Feb 02 03:25:32 price of the pre Feb 02 03:25:36 Ooh very nice Feb 02 03:25:43 and i only paid $100 for mine, so i was more than happy with it Feb 02 03:26:13 and PreJeweled still gets downloads even tho its way old and not pixi friendly Feb 02 03:26:18 maybe 5% is to much perhaps it is like 2% Feb 02 03:26:21 hmm... has anybody done any research as to who is behind the Haiti app? Feb 02 03:26:25 WOOOT Feb 02 03:26:30 my update got publisheedd Feb 02 03:26:34 JustinHoMi, same people behind the TipAndStrip.Me app Feb 02 03:26:42 which also runs a porn site Feb 02 03:26:47 Are you kidding me? Feb 02 03:26:51 Tibfib, what is the app? Feb 02 03:26:51 nope Feb 02 03:26:58 check out their dns info: http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/thisappsaveslives.info Feb 02 03:26:59 meppum: countdown puzzles Feb 02 03:27:02 do a WHOIS lookup on thisappsaveslives.info Feb 02 03:27:03 dawm idk why that one was allowed in Feb 02 03:27:06 then look at the nameserver Feb 02 03:27:12 their dns server is NS1.IWANT2BAPORNSTAR.COM Feb 02 03:27:12 JenP, it has no nudity Feb 02 03:27:21 still suggestive nature Feb 02 03:27:29 meppum: I fyou want to try it out, wait for 0.6.0 to go live... it is 20x better than 0.4.6 Feb 02 03:27:58 okay, cool Feb 02 03:28:13 Or I could send you a 0.6.4 copy Feb 02 03:28:24 want to test it? Feb 02 03:28:27 someone suggested if palm keeps that haiti app in the running, that Palm donates the money on the developers behalf if they win Feb 02 03:28:36 that way the goal is still met, and no one runs off with the prize Feb 02 03:28:37 dawm: that's a good idea Feb 02 03:28:41 dawm i totally agree Feb 02 03:29:00 But Palm could run into legal trouble doing that Feb 02 03:29:02 JenP: feeling discriminated against? Feb 02 03:29:06 someone also pointed out, part of the user agreement when you submit an app, 'This app provides value to the user' Feb 02 03:29:14 which this app doesnt, so theres a hole there palm could use Feb 02 03:29:15 In 2008 about 54% of Feed the Children's cash budget of $125 million was spent on "television and radio," "direct mail," and "direct mail postage" Feb 02 03:29:15 not "giving" the prize away... Feb 02 03:29:29 They'd have to make the people with the app sign something Feb 02 03:29:40 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1817&Itemid=20 Feb 02 03:29:43 haeffb no just hate bad work...muddys everything we've all been working so hard at Feb 02 03:29:47 'The application provides value to the user' Feb 02 03:29:50 section 4 Feb 02 03:29:56 dawm: what is your app? Feb 02 03:30:00 Swap & Drop Feb 02 03:30:11 the sorta bejeweled game, but not entirely the same Feb 02 03:30:14 LoneStar99: any aid foundation that outsources there promo/management is in the same boat Feb 02 03:30:26 Profanity shouldn't be allowed in reviews either... Feb 02 03:30:34 JenP: they arent Feb 02 03:30:46 I'm sure if the developer was truely gonna donate, they would try and work out something with palm Feb 02 03:30:48 I noticed someone cleaned out a 0 star review of mine that cussed multiple times Feb 02 03:31:20 tibfib that's good...i know i saw a few that took me by surprise Feb 02 03:31:32 swishy: i agree, but they continously get an F grade Feb 02 03:31:38 But Palm could nuked the app if they really wanted to, and they would still be in the right per their 'Application Content Criteria' Feb 02 03:31:47 JenP: I was going to report it, but it got cleaned out pretty fast Feb 02 03:32:01 Oh cool Feb 02 03:32:03 LoneStar99: my take is they shouldnt be outsourcing :) Feb 02 03:32:03 Anyone know if us Early Access Devs still have handlers? Feb 02 03:32:12 LoneStar99: ah not cool Feb 02 03:32:13 I need to talk to mine but i dont know if she's still mine Feb 02 03:32:21 dawm: I think you still can Feb 02 03:32:40 Ill shoot her an email anyways Feb 02 03:32:42 dawm did you have gloria? Feb 02 03:32:45 yeh Feb 02 03:32:54 oh yeah she moved up Feb 02 03:32:58 new handler now Feb 02 03:33:05 oh well, i donate my money to the local pub =) Feb 02 03:33:10 i keep forgetting to check... are they charging $50 for app submissions now? Feb 02 03:33:16 My handler is anyone at Palm unfortunate enough to be on IRC when I complain :D Feb 02 03:33:28 hrm, well ill send her an email anyways and see about getting in touch with my new handler Feb 02 03:33:32 LoneStar99: lol :) Feb 02 03:33:44 JustinHoMi: if you aren't open source, I believe so Feb 02 03:33:51 Wait... idk Feb 02 03:34:08 yeah she's working new projects now. I was told my new handler is Judy Feb 02 03:34:35 Judy = one handler to rule them all Feb 02 03:34:48 lol poor Judy Feb 02 03:34:55 i think I have Judy also Feb 02 03:35:08 Adora: Are the regular developers going to get handlers? Feb 02 03:35:08 but don't go emailing her all at once, we're working on setting up a better support process Feb 02 03:35:30 Oh, so is that a sorta? Feb 02 03:35:42 Adora: i email Judy 8 times a day Feb 02 03:35:44 Tibfib: judy handles pretty much everything now Feb 02 03:36:02 wow that's a lot to put on a person Feb 02 03:36:03 including weekends Feb 02 03:36:04 as far as submission/payment/etc support Feb 02 03:36:19 I don't know how she does it Feb 02 03:36:25 JK Feb 02 03:36:41 have sent her 1 or 2 emails in like a month Feb 02 03:36:42 Where would I find her email if I needed it? Feb 02 03:39:32 _azdak: everything worked, i was simply cliking on the wrong thing... Feb 02 03:40:23 anyone want to donate money for my "feed the children" app? Feb 02 03:41:11 development will be expensive Feb 02 03:43:42 only if you donate to my project car fund app Feb 02 03:43:53 i need some slicks and a better roll cage Feb 02 03:44:06 a spare motor would be nice too Feb 02 03:44:20 nice, atleast i'll know where the donation will go Feb 02 03:44:51 any donations to me will pay for beer. you're all invited. just sayin' Feb 02 03:45:08 spare motors, that is very important, always need a spare Feb 02 03:45:10 hell i just bought some parts for the car with my first palm payment about 2hrs ago :P Feb 02 03:45:26 nice Feb 02 03:45:42 I've had the car for 3 years and ive only driven it once. and there was nothing wrong with the car. ;P Feb 02 03:45:51 do you get an email from paypal when the payment is made? Feb 02 03:45:56 its a money pit Feb 02 03:46:00 yeah i got a payment email Feb 02 03:46:04 cool Feb 02 03:46:09 strangely enough paypal didnt take any fees Feb 02 03:46:32 i am "buying" a jeep which I have not seen, and need the bottom welded Feb 02 03:46:44 needed Feb 02 03:47:15 heh ive got more money into the car than what i paid for it (parts i took off the car after i got it actually paid for it) Feb 02 03:47:22 hell i think im almost near the price of the car when it was new Feb 02 03:47:36 and its a Neon Feb 02 03:47:40 :D Feb 02 03:47:46 wow nuts Feb 02 03:48:10 is it a "rice rocket" Feb 02 03:48:25 its a beer can with balls Feb 02 03:48:31 completely gutted Feb 02 03:48:58 just out of curiousity, anyone here supporting their app with ads and if so how are you doing it? Feb 02 03:49:05 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dawm/98DOHC_MTX_RT/IMG_1045.jpg Feb 02 03:49:33 digitalpowers: their is a developer here that brings in average $1K a day Feb 02 03:49:38 reality9000 or whatever those digits are is the one to ask Feb 02 03:49:49 isnt he the radiotime guy Feb 02 03:49:51 he uses a combination of ad services Feb 02 03:49:57 dawm: yes Feb 02 03:50:06 Quattro and AdMob Feb 02 03:50:17 thoguht so, i havent been in here much lately so i havent seen/heard from him in a bit Feb 02 03:50:25 realityRadio90210 Feb 02 03:50:53 ok i will talk to him next time i see him on Feb 02 03:51:28 just look out for some cranky dude ripping on Palm while raking in more money in a day than the rest of our apps will in a year :) Feb 02 03:51:28 argh.. still stuck at 999.. was hoping to see 1000 before i went to bed Feb 02 03:52:16 lol, i will keep my eye out Feb 02 03:52:17 jfelectron: lol Feb 02 03:53:18 LoneStar99: I mean I guess they want to keep the faucet running with that type of revenue sream...so they can quibble with Palm about AAC+ and what not I guess Feb 02 03:53:24 so what does everyone do for a day job? Feb 02 03:53:54 true that Feb 02 03:54:45 dawm: design highway & bridge projects Feb 02 03:54:48 is AAC+ a royalty free format? Feb 02 03:54:59 IT guy for a small county Feb 02 03:55:09 haeffb: working on the code you pasted Feb 02 03:55:30 student here Feb 02 03:55:39 i work at the airport as a ramp supervisor Feb 02 03:55:48 good luck! can't help tonight. too many beers... :) Feb 02 03:56:22 http://www.modot.org/northcentral Feb 02 03:56:59 haeffb_pre: did not get lectured today on having beers on saturday Feb 02 03:58:45 heh Feb 02 03:58:53 some people are being asked to pay $50 to update an app.. Feb 02 03:59:00 thats a nasty bug Feb 02 04:01:14 what really? $50 to update an app? Feb 02 04:01:23 its a bug heh Feb 02 04:02:39 hi haeffb Feb 02 04:03:12 hi Bmyers Feb 02 04:03:24 drunken coding again tonight? Feb 02 04:03:27 nice Feb 02 04:03:28 Hi Jenp Feb 02 04:05:33 how r u doing tonight? Feb 02 04:05:45 dawm: how do you keep tabs on how many downlods your app has? Feb 02 04:05:54 the dev portal Feb 02 04:06:05 preware hack.. Feb 02 04:06:23 my own tracking hasnt quite caught up to the actual uniques yet, its about 200 off Feb 02 04:06:32 you say u have how many downloads? Feb 02 04:06:38 Bmyers, thats just downloads, that doesnt take into account update downloads Feb 02 04:06:38 dawm: I noticed that as well Feb 02 04:06:38 swap & drop? Feb 02 04:06:45 999 purchases Feb 02 04:06:58 dawm: in my app tracking Feb 02 04:07:04 2640 downloads Feb 02 04:07:09 i show you have 2,000+ Feb 02 04:07:16 Tibfib, i didnt start tracking myself until a few versions later Feb 02 04:07:24 LoneStar99, thats downloads Feb 02 04:07:28 not purchases Feb 02 04:07:30 2619 Feb 02 04:07:42 once someone buys the app, updates also count as downloads Feb 02 04:07:45 dawm: ahh... that weird. Ive been tracking since day one and my numbers are less than palm's Feb 02 04:08:02 Tibfib, could be due to no inet connection when the user launched Feb 02 04:08:11 oh really did not know that Feb 02 04:08:17 yeah Feb 02 04:08:25 last month i had 570 purchases Feb 02 04:08:30 dawm: thought about that. probably is it. I just have the tracking run once Feb 02 04:08:39 yeah mine fires off every launch Feb 02 04:08:44 Swap & Drop: Unique Installs (865) Total times launched (8015) Feb 02 04:09:04 thats since 0.5.2 which was awhile ago Feb 02 04:09:14 I think I'll probably remove my cookie and have it update every time Feb 02 04:09:17 dawm: so the dev site is a bit behind in counting purchases? Feb 02 04:09:18 12/11/09 Feb 02 04:09:18 keep things accurate Feb 02 04:09:22 LoneStar99, no Feb 02 04:09:30 my tracking is behind Feb 02 04:09:36 oh ok Feb 02 04:09:41 since it wasnt in the app from day one, and some people havent updated Feb 02 04:09:57 Tibfib, you can always have your server ignore repeat requests Feb 02 04:10:13 my database is getting large with 8000~ entries Feb 02 04:10:22 i need to make it just store uniques once Feb 02 04:10:29 My database has 12000~ :D Feb 02 04:10:31 all uniques Feb 02 04:10:34 and maybe add a last ran field Feb 02 04:10:37 but my app is free.... lol Feb 02 04:10:47 yeah i started tracking before the dev portal was updated Feb 02 04:10:54 only to estimate uniques Feb 02 04:11:08 then soon after i added it, the dev portal got updated and it was redundant ;p Feb 02 04:11:20 but i know theres a couple AT&T devices ;p Feb 02 04:11:40 haha did you log other info too> Feb 02 04:11:40 ? Feb 02 04:11:50 i was getting excited about my app, but sales have been very sluggish for it... Feb 02 04:12:01 lonestar: whats your app? Feb 02 04:12:10 just webos version, app version, device (pre/pixi), timestamp and ip Feb 02 04:12:17 http://urloid.com/palm4 Feb 02 04:12:37 LoneStar99, you see the downloads column in your My Apps page of the dev portal right? Feb 02 04:12:37 dawm: ahh... I just do device id and app version Feb 02 04:12:48 yeah Feb 02 04:12:51 its nice to know which device is using the app Feb 02 04:12:54 yeah i got the nduid too Feb 02 04:13:03 thats your purchases Feb 02 04:13:28 i use webosschool's thing to see total downloads (including updates) Feb 02 04:13:28 yeah it very sluggish =( Feb 02 04:13:36 http://catalog.webosschool.com/#AppDetails;id=579 Feb 02 04:13:39 yeah Feb 02 04:14:00 i like that it incorperates app updates Feb 02 04:14:20 altho revenue is flawed =p Feb 02 04:14:36 yeah Feb 02 04:15:16 oh well, atleast my app is bringing in some milk money... Feb 02 04:15:35 im just not looking forward to next year tax time Feb 02 04:15:40 gonna have to pay for sure Feb 02 04:15:52 yeap Feb 02 04:16:29 i love the reports read out Feb 02 04:16:38 broken up by app version , and then by state Feb 02 04:16:53 22 people in TX bought my app in December Feb 02 04:18:38 dawm: can u see january? Feb 02 04:18:45 nope Feb 02 04:19:03 dawm: is this palm reports? Feb 02 04:19:09 ok same here Feb 02 04:19:14 yeh Feb 02 04:19:15 developer.palm.com? Feb 02 04:19:18 ok Feb 02 04:19:43 erg, komodo extension has stopped adding scenes.... Feb 02 04:26:27 anyways, night all Feb 02 04:26:43 laters dawm Feb 02 04:27:17 http://oddee.com/item_96959.aspx Feb 02 04:27:20 cya Feb 02 04:35:35 evening Feb 02 04:46:39 how do you enter new lines in the app catalog description? or is that not possible? Feb 02 04:49:06 there 1000 downloads Feb 02 04:49:15 awesome Feb 02 04:49:16 er purchases Feb 02 04:49:20 congrads Feb 02 04:49:31 now i can goto sleep ;P Feb 02 04:56:41 how do people find apps on the web catalog. Mines already been bought 6 times and i didn't even know it was published it Feb 02 04:57:02 yet Feb 02 05:06:51 crasheed: well if you look at the 100s of thousands of people who have bought a pre it sorta makes sense Feb 02 05:07:20 app #2 submitted:) Feb 02 05:08:30 now all i need is an awesome palm person to review it right now:) Feb 02 05:10:39 crasheed: what app is yours? Feb 02 05:13:56 it's Feb 02 05:14:14 can someone help me figure out why my list isn't working? i've posted all relevant files here http://pastebin.com/d61c07158 Feb 02 05:14:48 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.sudopanda.musicwavepro Feb 02 05:15:01 and my question was how are people viewing the web catalog? Feb 02 05:15:17 the log shows [20100201-21:58:20.821285] error: Error: Caught exception in List widget 'timelinesList' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'parentNode' of null and the actual widget displays "template load failed: views/dashboard/dashboard-blogListTemplate.html" Feb 02 05:15:27 oh, not sure about the web catalog Feb 02 05:15:37 yea because it's only on the web catalog Feb 02 05:15:47 and i expected like 0 buy untill i advertised it Feb 02 05:16:12 crasheed: bad ass app Feb 02 05:16:29 people need there itunes alternative :D Feb 02 05:17:24 u can get the free version at precentral Feb 02 05:31:15 what are these called; "x-mojo-tap-highlight='momentary'" styles? Feb 02 05:53:52 is there a way of making rounded divs with out images? Feb 02 05:54:36 what are out images? :) Feb 02 05:54:47 without Feb 02 05:55:29 instead of the regular rectangle or square... Feb 02 06:05:30 LoneStar99: I don't believe the border radius is working 100% right now. Feb 02 06:10:26 oh ok Feb 02 06:16:51 border radius worked in older sdks...but you couldn't use a background color or image for the div Feb 02 06:20:28 sugardave: actually background color with border radius works just fine Feb 02 06:20:34 image is no go though Feb 02 06:21:05 the appropriate thing for images would be the webkit mask thingy...but that's not supported either Feb 02 06:21:40 LoneStar99: what issues are you having with border radius? Feb 02 06:23:21 what the hell does this mean: EXCEPTION [Relaunch failed.], (TypeError): "Object # has no method 'assistantHandleLaunch'" my app-assistant doesn't have handleLaunch, but shouldn't the framework add one? Feb 02 06:23:23 jfelectron: have not messed with border raodps Feb 02 06:23:26 radios Feb 02 06:23:50 LoneStar99: ahh....just saw Roy-Pre101s comment re border radius Feb 02 06:24:22 I don't understand the relaunch part because this is a new launch...restarted emu and all Feb 02 06:24:24 border-radius: 3px: Feb 02 06:24:30 is that how is works? Feb 02 06:24:44 yes...it sets the curvative Feb 02 06:24:48 curvature Feb 02 06:24:59 5-10px is pretty pleasing Feb 02 06:25:00 oh ok, let me try it out Feb 02 06:25:22 should be -webkit-border-radius btw Feb 02 06:25:40 k thnaks Feb 02 06:26:00 I'll be back...laundry Feb 02 06:29:10 k Feb 02 06:39:13 jfelectron: cool, haven't messed with it since 1.2 or so Feb 02 06:39:35 sugardave: ahhh...guess it was less supported then Feb 02 06:41:32 damn my emu is acting wonky...no internet....restarted VB, no luck....restarting laptop now...be back Feb 02 07:05:51 does webos have a similar networking service avilable via the sdk to bonjour? Feb 02 14:54:22 hi Feb 02 14:54:43 morning! Feb 02 14:54:56 morning) Feb 02 14:55:49 stop living in the past Feb 02 14:55:52 it's afternoon Feb 02 14:56:02 don't remind me. just got to work :( 7am local Feb 02 14:56:21 15:56 :) Feb 02 15:03:00 who can help me with list Widget ? Feb 02 15:04:23 when i update a large list widget model the widget becomes a solid gray block without content. Feb 02 15:05:40 what is your renderLimit? Feb 02 15:05:52 what is renderLimit ? ) Feb 02 15:07:27 list widget attribute? Feb 02 15:07:56 morning folks Feb 02 15:08:14 haeffb: got the code working thanks Feb 02 15:08:47 good Feb 02 15:09:07 Hi,does anyone know if it's possible to hide default apps in the launcher? Feb 02 15:09:25 * haeffb_pre is sitting in land disturbance training this morning Feb 02 15:09:58 damada: i know you can remove and replace, but not sure how, have not tried it.... Feb 02 15:10:53 haeffb_pre, thank you! it has helped Feb 02 15:11:24 LoneStar99: so, you don't know how to do it? Feb 02 15:17:52 hey Feb 02 15:17:54 damada: http://uoid.me/palm7 page 60 Feb 02 15:18:10 can anyone help me put two lines of text on a Button ? Feb 02 15:19:53 zrgiu: what are you trying to do? Feb 02 15:20:15 I have a question, with two possible answers Feb 02 15:20:44 i have the answers as labels on two buttons Feb 02 15:20:46 sometimes the answers are long, and don't fit on a single line Feb 02 15:23:10 this is killing me Feb 02 15:23:31 wait a minute, i'll try to create demo app for it Feb 02 15:23:41 check the css style of the button label? Feb 02 15:23:54 yes, it might be line-height Feb 02 15:24:22 i have tried that but.. please check for yourself too :) Feb 02 15:27:49 zrgiu what are you wanting your long answers to do? Feb 02 15:28:04 because the text-styling on buttons is utterly over-rideable. Feb 02 15:28:39 when the user taps an answer, a the app will move to the next question Feb 02 15:29:22 zrgui it works Feb 02 15:29:42 zrgiu I understand that, but what's the problem you're having zrgiu I read back and I don't understand the problem Feb 02 15:30:16 I can't put two lines of text on a single Button Feb 02 15:30:28 damada, if you want to hide apps in the launcher you have to edit the appinfo.json to set visilble to false. Feb 02 15:30:37 zrgiu of course you can. Feb 02 15:31:43 * sugardave waits for ThinkGeek to get restocked on the personal soundtrack shirt. Feb 02 15:33:17 zrgiu what class are you applying to the button when you put it into the scene's html? because you can absolutely custom-css the button and do anything you want to with it. Feb 02 15:34:32 fanatsumy helped me with a class that does this Feb 02 15:34:34 and it works Feb 02 15:34:42 now I just have to make the button taller :D Feb 02 15:34:49 nodnod Feb 02 15:34:49 thanks fanatsumy! Feb 02 15:34:53 which you can also do. Feb 02 15:35:09 anyone know where i can find the prototype irc channel? Feb 02 15:35:30 why do you need it? Feb 02 15:35:49 prototype has good documentation Feb 02 15:36:01 it is (cleverly) #prototype on freenode, which is where we are. Feb 02 15:36:04 need ask a question regarding some ajax stuff Feb 02 15:36:19 yeah - it says invalid channel... Feb 02 15:36:29 is it working? Feb 02 15:36:47 Is your nick registered with nickserv? Feb 02 15:36:53 yeah Feb 02 15:36:59 and identified right now? Feb 02 15:37:05 yeap Feb 02 15:37:10 LoneStar99 works for me. Feb 02 15:37:13 hmm. worked for me Feb 02 15:37:17 the channel is working Feb 02 15:37:22 everything is ok Feb 02 15:37:25 yep Feb 02 15:37:40 ok, gonna restart my browser, maybe that is it Feb 02 15:37:51 wow, browser) Feb 02 15:37:54 LoneStar99 you're using a BROWSER to chat? Feb 02 15:37:59 that's your problem. Feb 02 15:38:05 yeah: opera Feb 02 15:38:05 :) Feb 02 15:38:22 LoneStar99 get a real chat client. xchat is free and works well. Feb 02 15:38:26 it works prefect for webos and webos-internals Feb 02 15:39:01 opera does have a real client, Feb 02 15:45:12 web irc? really? Feb 02 15:45:15 ouch Feb 02 15:45:33 no local irc using opera's internal client. Feb 02 15:45:42 ah Feb 02 15:46:05 never seen it....I like terminal windows Feb 02 15:46:20 xchat. Feb 02 15:46:32 i use trillian astra) Feb 02 15:46:36 well, windows...so irssi in cygwin Feb 02 15:46:45 Colloquy... with a theme that makes it look like xchat :) Feb 02 15:47:31 I do -not- like irssi but to each their own Feb 02 15:47:58 Most of my co-workers swear by irssi + screen, but I like colloquy + znc Feb 02 15:48:58 cool, needed to restart my browser, now in prototype Feb 02 15:49:20 wirc + magnifying glass Feb 02 15:49:31 Careful with that in direct sunlight Feb 02 15:51:35 Rick_work: oh yeah, I have a question...I have an Ajax request reading a local json file and I wanted to test functions...so I found that eval(my function string) works, but new Function(my function string) does not. If I pass the string off to another function that does new Function(that string) it works....any idea why we wouldn't be able to do new Function in the onsuccess handler of an ajax call? Feb 02 15:52:36 is the on-success an anonymous function? Feb 02 15:53:40 because if you create a new function from within an anonymous function, I would be very very confused about what scope it would try to be in, and if it would dissappear when the anonymous function completed..... Feb 02 15:53:41 yeah Feb 02 15:54:12 If you promote the on-success to a function outside the ajax call, and then call it, it ought to work fine. Feb 02 15:54:19 okay, but as a test, inside the anon func, I do var test = new Function(blah) and then immediately try to run test(); Feb 02 15:54:31 should that not work, either? Feb 02 15:54:42 well, good point. it should Feb 02 15:54:44 hmmmm Feb 02 15:54:46 weird. Feb 02 15:54:50 yeah, it's weird Feb 02 15:54:53 you may have found an "oddity' in v8 Feb 02 15:54:58 woohoo Feb 02 15:55:13 sugardave but why are you using new Function() to eval your string? Feb 02 15:55:25 Rick_work: because eval is evil? Feb 02 15:55:42 is it really a function, or is it just data? Feb 02 15:55:48 it's a function Feb 02 15:55:57 kk Feb 02 15:56:01 then nevermind. Feb 02 15:56:03 heh Feb 02 15:56:25 alright...I'll do some more testing later on and then post a bug/question about it Feb 02 15:56:26 sugardave I just usually have data and use prototypes safe eval function to get the data. Feb 02 15:56:33 sugardave I have an idea. Feb 02 15:56:35 safe eval? Feb 02 15:56:49 oh for data Feb 02 15:57:04 http://api.prototypejs.org/language/string.html#evaljson-instance_method Feb 02 15:57:34 sugardave try prototype's evalScripts() instead of new Function() Feb 02 15:57:51 ah, okay...thanks Feb 02 15:57:54 got a meeting now Feb 02 15:58:04 bbl Feb 02 16:04:47 howdy sugardave Feb 02 16:12:54 anyone have any suggestions how to fix listscrolling in the case where each listitem has a (small) image? Feb 02 16:13:04 It gets really choppy for me, if I remove the icon, it works fine Feb 02 16:13:51 how big (file size) is the icon? Feb 02 16:14:27 3577bytes it includes both the regular and the "active" mode of the button Feb 02 16:14:53 jbjoerk is it the SAME image on each line? Feb 02 16:14:59 Rick_work: yes Feb 02 16:15:12 and are you rendering the image at 100% or is it resizing? Feb 02 16:15:38 rendering using css, background: url(..) no-repeat top center; and background: .... bottom center; Feb 02 16:19:53 wow, now google is getting into the table business Feb 02 16:20:17 what is next a google hybrid car Feb 02 16:20:29 or google toaster Feb 02 16:21:01 ????? Feb 02 16:22:58 * haeffb_pre remembers when Gates wanted windows in microwaves & toasters Feb 02 16:23:22 sorry tablet Feb 02 16:24:21 android? Feb 02 16:28:57 Rick_work, maik : Any suggestions? I just now tried to use 2 seperate images, same thing :( Feb 02 16:31:20 weird thing is it doesn't seem to have anything to do with renderLimit, it's just as slow no matter what Feb 02 16:31:50 what kind of images? Feb 02 16:32:06 jbjoerk: sorry, no. that seems like a reasonable file size Feb 02 16:32:24 Rick_work: png Feb 02 16:32:40 have you tried jpg or gif? Feb 02 16:32:49 maik: will try that now Feb 02 16:37:01 hm, weird, if I only use the image, it scrolls fine.. so it seems like a combination of my item that causes the slowdown Feb 02 16:37:06 wirc keeps timing out Feb 02 16:37:07 http://uoid.me/evil1 Feb 02 16:40:01 don't know why Feb 02 16:44:48 http://pastebin.com/dc9b7b12 <-- my html and css. Anyone see anything really stupid (slow?) in there? Feb 02 16:47:32 and it's a filterlist, but I don't think that matters Feb 02 16:48:26 what are the native dimensions of the image? Feb 02 16:48:47 35x104 Feb 02 16:49:08 does what you have there scale the image down or is it a bounding box? Feb 02 16:49:33 ? Feb 02 16:49:40 nevermind, stupid question Feb 02 16:49:45 i have no good reason Feb 02 16:49:57 that said, i'm not well-versed in most of this stuff :) Feb 02 16:50:26 thanks for trying. I'm really pulling my hair on this one. been avoiding dealing with it for the longest time Feb 02 16:50:40 heh Feb 02 16:50:46 you might want to try the developer forums Feb 02 17:13:30 chuqui: hi Chuq Feb 02 17:13:39 hey hey Feb 02 17:14:01 I've got a litte problem and I wrote you also an email about this Feb 02 17:14:05 I hope this is possible :/ Feb 02 17:14:24 I want to change my normal account to an open source account Feb 02 17:14:32 anything is possible. Except stuff that isn't. Feb 02 17:14:44 no, you can't change your normal account to an open source. I was looking into that last night. Feb 02 17:14:55 oh :( Feb 02 17:14:58 how is the workaround? Feb 02 17:15:11 have to create a new account as an open source. The way the system is set up, you can't convert to open source. I've asked whether that should be possible, but right now,it's not. Feb 02 17:15:12 should I cancel my account an re-open it? Feb 02 17:15:26 can't do that. need to create a new one. Feb 02 17:15:35 "anything is possible. Except stuff that isn't." Feb 02 17:15:37 that's a classic Feb 02 17:15:43 oh that's not good :( Feb 02 17:15:51 what happens if i cancel my account? Feb 02 17:16:05 yeah, I'm going to file a feature request on that today. Feb 02 17:16:23 honestly, I don't think we cancel accounts. They go dormant. We don't free up account names to be re-used. Feb 02 17:16:29 hey chuq... how about mic APIs... that's a pretty good feature that I'd guess is NOT coming in 1.4 Feb 02 17:16:35 (which we probably should at some point, also) Feb 02 17:16:42 ok. Than I am waiting for the solutin I think Feb 02 17:16:45 Logdog82 just make a new one logdog_open Feb 02 17:17:07 Rick_work: and then? I have to pay 99$ next year for my "normal" account Feb 02 17:17:12 altough I don't use it Feb 02 17:17:32 you can dormant it like he said. Feb 02 17:17:43 interesting question on the renewal. I think I'll go ask that. Feb 02 17:17:45 if you dont pay,it goes dormant anyway Feb 02 17:17:59 also I can't register an open source account with my e-mail because "It's already in use" Feb 02 17:18:37 If I don't pay and refuse the PayPal transaction.... I think that's not the right way Feb 02 17:18:37 correct. email can only be tied to one account. Feb 02 17:18:40 change the email on your current account to something else. Feb 02 17:19:05 oh guys that's not all good ;) I just want to transfer my current account to an open source Feb 02 17:19:06 rick, that's not easily done. it has to be handled through me. seriously. Feb 02 17:19:20 damn... I am one of the early guys from the beta phase Feb 02 17:19:21 chuqi -- OUCH Feb 02 17:19:22 logdog82 -- I'm writing up an email to the business team on this to see how we can handle stuff. Feb 02 17:19:30 thanks chuqui Feb 02 17:19:58 rick_work yeah. I've asked how we shipped a portal without that functionality. (eye roll) Feb 02 17:20:02 in the past, in the beta phase, there was no open source accounts available. If this were so, I subscribed to one in the past Feb 02 17:20:41 chuqui: do I hear from you via e-mail? Feb 02 17:21:28 I should. if you don't, ping me. Feb 02 17:21:40 you can argue to the business team that I was one of the early access guys and at that point there was no option for open source Feb 02 17:21:49 I guess you could make a new gmail account and have it forward to your main account and use that to register open. :-) Feb 02 17:22:11 that's what I'd do Feb 02 17:22:24 aha.... not really Feb 02 17:22:47 and the 99$ fee? No no that's all not good I think Feb 02 17:24:16 ah one question: If I really open a second open source account, can I also add the same company name and so on like in my normal account? Feb 02 17:25:57 yes, you should be able to Feb 02 17:26:05 Ok. All I want to do with that open source account is to save the 99$ and the 50$ per app :) Feb 02 17:27:43 hhmmmmm just a moment. I am think about it.... Feb 02 17:27:52 Rick_work: so the answer is....don't do anything, just define the function(s) in the JSON, and they get evaluated and usable with no need to eval or new Function Feb 02 17:29:21 hhmm no. That's all not good. I want to share my code and only develop a few free open source apps Feb 02 17:29:58 chuqui: please let me know if you hear from your business team. Argue that I was one of the early access guys and only want to switch. That should be a argue I think Feb 02 17:30:07 will do. Feb 02 17:30:13 thanks a lot :) Feb 02 17:30:48 Rick_work: maik: seems to work better when not using float:right, and instead using absolute positioning Feb 02 17:31:22 * sugardave is trying out Eclipse today. Feb 02 17:31:33 seems like Komodo has better code completion Feb 02 17:32:06 code completion? Komodo has code completion? How far? Feb 02 17:32:11 only for build in JavaScript functions? Feb 02 17:32:21 not REAL far, but it's got some good base stuff Feb 02 17:32:37 Logdog82 no, for Mojo and etc. Feb 02 17:32:41 nah, it's got Mojo.Controller and a bunch of others Feb 02 17:32:53 ok. Like Eclipse with Aptana Feb 02 17:32:55 it's really pretty good. Feb 02 17:33:04 Logdog82 better than that Feb 02 17:33:04 if you type this. what happens? Feb 02 17:33:06 nothing? Feb 02 17:33:13 no Feb 02 17:33:19 Logdog82: I guess, though I have aptana presumably installed and it chokes on completing things that have no issue in komodo Feb 02 17:33:22 so not sure Feb 02 17:33:52 in Komodo this. will start showing you a list of all the stuff defined in your current assistant Feb 02 17:34:14 Komodo is an IDE for Windows? And is it free? I don't know Komodo Feb 02 17:34:26 Komodo Edit is free, multi-platform Feb 02 17:34:30 komodo is an editor, but they do make an IDE Feb 02 17:34:41 i will second komodo, i have been using it, WAY better than eclipse Feb 02 17:34:42 then you want what is here: webos.templarian.com Feb 02 17:34:48 preach it Feb 02 17:34:50 for the extension and code completion Feb 02 17:35:04 the extension works in the free version? Feb 02 17:35:08 only using eclipse until the scene creation issue with my komodo is fixed Feb 02 17:35:10 yep Feb 02 17:35:12 http://webos.templarian.com/komodo/ Feb 02 17:35:12 Logdog82: yes Feb 02 17:35:24 Logdog82 the free one yes Feb 02 17:35:25 do you have an url for komodo free edition? Feb 02 17:35:35 Logdog82 I just posted Feb 02 17:35:49 you postet a link to the webos plugin for komodo Feb 02 17:35:56 hit the downloads button Feb 02 17:36:07 Logdog82: http://www.activestate.com/komodo_edit/ Feb 02 17:36:17 hi everyone Feb 02 17:36:32 thanks sugardave Feb 02 17:36:53 can anyone tell me how can i pass some value from one scene to aonther?? Feb 02 17:37:07 Rick_work: I hit the downloads button and only see three things. Add-on, Code Completion and eautifier Feb 02 17:37:22 http://www.activestate.com/komodo_edit/ Feb 02 17:37:34 Logdog82: that's it for the webos stuff...you still need to download komodo edit and install it first Feb 02 17:37:35 ah one last question: can I make "Run in device/emulator" like in Eclipse and can I create a new scene like in Eclipse? Feb 02 17:37:40 yes Feb 02 17:37:58 yep yep Feb 02 17:38:15 it's pretty fantastic if i had to say so Feb 02 17:38:19 oh oh oh :) I download it now and test it Feb 02 17:38:21 just a moment :) Feb 02 17:38:36 why is it not listet on developer.palm.com? Feb 02 17:38:36 Yatharth: you just pass it as an extra parameter to your push/swapScene Feb 02 17:38:42 i bound F5 to package/install/run in emulator and cntrl-F5 to package/install/run on device cause it reminds me of visual studio Feb 02 17:38:54 and then in the constructor, set up a this.whatever = whatever; Feb 02 17:39:47 sugardave:can you please tell me the syntax? Feb 02 17:40:09 pushScene('name', myValue); Feb 02 17:40:34 in NameAssistant constrcutor: this.myValue = myValue; Feb 02 17:41:02 sugardave:thanx. Feb 02 17:41:12 np Feb 02 17:43:51 for what is the Beautifier for komodo? Feb 02 17:45:49 hello Feb 02 17:46:12 Logdog82: that's for jslint Feb 02 17:46:13 i need an advice about a scroller Feb 02 17:46:23 I think... Feb 02 17:46:40 or maybe it's just a 'get your code looking nice' formatter Feb 02 17:47:04 Logdog82: all I've ever downloaded were the extension and the code complete thing Feb 02 17:47:12 ok. I also make it so Feb 02 17:47:22 lol how can I create a new Mojo project? I don't find it Feb 02 17:47:24 do you know how can i scroll scroller to the given element ? Feb 02 17:47:37 Logdog82: go to the view menu and make sure to select 'webOS' Feb 02 17:47:48 that should make a new tool area at the bottom of the editor Feb 02 17:48:03 then there are buttons for new project and new scene, etc. Feb 02 17:48:32 fanatsumy: I've never done the scrollTo stuff Feb 02 17:49:04 scrollTo works, but i don't know the top position of my element) Feb 02 17:49:23 so i think i need revealElement but it doesnt work Feb 02 17:49:32 oh, try revealTop() Feb 02 17:50:47 revealTop and revelBottom work Feb 02 17:51:40 ah, sorry...was confused by what you meant Feb 02 17:51:51 i have a long list and i need to scroll for its element automatically Feb 02 17:52:01 I wonder if you need to do snapElements, then pass it the list index of the element Feb 02 17:52:42 hm, good idea, thanks Feb 02 17:54:37 hmmm Komodo is nice but I see no advantage over eclipse :( Feb 02 17:54:51 if I type "this." I only see the prototyped functions (like in eclipse) Feb 02 17:55:07 what are you expecting to see? Feb 02 17:55:12 and if I type "this.controller." I see nothing (as expected) Feb 02 17:55:17 any other this.whatever you create will also be there Feb 02 17:56:04 yep, this.controller isn't implemented, it's on the "improve this" list. Feb 02 17:56:36 Logdog82 in terms of komodo vs eclipse, it's more a matter of personal style, I dislike eclipse's User Interface. Feb 02 17:56:48 ah whats really great is: var foobar = ""; foobar. shows me all on strings :) Feb 02 17:56:56 Rick_work: I also don't like Eclipse Feb 02 17:57:02 so I give Komodo a try :) Feb 02 17:58:42 ah can I open existing eclipse projects in Komodo? Feb 02 17:58:47 sugardave, setSnapIndex doesnt work Feb 02 17:58:52 fanatsumy: lame Feb 02 17:58:55 be aware that there is NOT a 1.4 update out for komodo, so according to some rumors that I have heard, but can not verify, because after all, the 1.4 beta is under NDA, I would suggest that the add-a-scene funcctionality in komodo under 1.4 would be broken until Austin fixes it. Feb 02 17:59:05 Logdog82 the project syntax is different. Feb 02 17:59:29 You'll need to create and empty webos project in Komodo and copy the files into the src directory under the project directory Feb 02 17:59:32 Logdog82: yeah, best to make a new project in Komodo, then copy your existing source to the right dirs Feb 02 17:59:42 oki doki :) Feb 02 18:00:07 the src folder is a must have? Feb 02 18:00:11 yep Feb 02 18:00:18 project looks in src Feb 02 18:00:37 ok. I will give it a try the next few days Feb 02 18:00:54 it builds IPK's in a different folder Feb 02 18:01:04 and wait what chuqui says about my open source account :) Feb 02 18:01:27 it build the IPK's, deploys it to the device and then deleting it? Feb 02 18:03:53 anyone from palm here who can help me with publishing an app to the catalog? Feb 02 18:04:22 Logdog82: it shouldn't delete it Feb 02 18:04:40 should be in bin/debug under your project folder Feb 02 18:05:09 the folks at prototype are very helpful, fixed a month old bug Feb 02 18:06:56 can someone remind me the link to go straight to the app catalog page for your app? Feb 02 18:07:26 urloid.com/palm4 Feb 02 18:07:38 just add your name Feb 02 18:07:56 http://urloid.com/palm4 Feb 02 18:08:02 the webChannel link goes straight to the catalog from a phone? Feb 02 18:08:13 nope, hold on Feb 02 18:08:19 what is your app? Feb 02 18:08:29 com.codeslaw.paintrlite Feb 02 18:08:55 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.codeslaw.paintrlite Feb 02 18:09:06 sweet thanks Feb 02 18:09:15 np Feb 02 18:10:39 awesome works quick Feb 02 18:11:13 yeah Feb 02 18:11:57 app catalog seems to not have updated since late last night Feb 02 18:12:12 or early last night, actually Feb 02 18:12:21 sebastianha you want to submit an app to PALM or to the PRECENTRAL feed for preware? Feb 02 18:12:37 Rick_work: to Palm Feb 02 18:13:01 sebastianha you will have to go to developer.palm.com and create an account and sign up as a developer. Feb 02 18:13:17 sebastianha are you wanting to do open source apps or close source private apps ??? Feb 02 18:13:41 Rick_work: I know. I submitted it weeks ago but it is stuck in "beeing reviewed" and "published" state. But it is not in the catalog Feb 02 18:13:49 ahhh Feb 02 18:13:53 I told my reviewer already Feb 02 18:14:03 sebastianha email chuqui Feb 02 18:14:19 chuqui@palm.com? Feb 02 18:16:35 I think that works, but "Chuq Von Rospach" , works for certain Feb 02 18:16:48 Rick_work: thank you very much Feb 02 18:18:35 codeslaw_work: reading your instructions in Paintr Lite and found a typo Feb 02 18:18:44 nnnnnoooooooooooooooo Feb 02 18:18:49 heh Feb 02 18:18:52 where at? Feb 02 18:19:17 2nd paragraph in drawing technique: " ... slightly behind your finger when moving slowing, getting further ... " Feb 02 18:19:58 ah damn Feb 02 18:20:09 took me reading that 5 times to find the typo Feb 02 18:20:31 heh, i know how that is Feb 02 18:20:38 i need to hire, then fire, and editor, for this debacle Feb 02 18:20:44 an editor* Feb 02 18:20:47 haha Feb 02 18:20:49 case in point ^ Feb 02 18:21:14 thanks for the heads up though, much appreciated Feb 02 18:21:22 not a problem Feb 02 18:25:18 wow, very well done, codeslaw_lunch, i like it! Feb 02 18:34:13 hmmmm Komodo is really nice :) Feb 02 18:37:23 Hello everyone Feb 02 18:37:34 hello Feb 02 18:38:47 maybe someone has an experience of working with scroller snapElements and setSnapIndex ? Feb 02 18:50:53 Any Komodo specialists still here? Feb 02 18:51:17 ping Templarian Feb 02 18:51:24 Logdog82 what do you want? Feb 02 18:51:37 most of us on the core team use komodo Feb 02 18:52:09 cool :) Feb 02 18:52:29 :( Feb 02 18:52:40 how can I make tabs instead of spaces intendation? Feb 02 18:52:50 Templarian is the guy who wrote the Komodo add-on Feb 02 18:53:07 ick tabs. Ick Feb 02 18:53:15 ick? Feb 02 18:53:19 what does this mean? Feb 02 18:53:35 I am from germany and don't know all the english "insider" words ;) Feb 02 18:53:36 I just prefer spacing with tabs for a lot of reasons. Feb 02 18:53:53 ick means that something is unpleasent. Feb 02 18:54:06 ah ok. You mean "iiihhhh" :) Feb 02 18:54:07 (tabs are evil btw) Feb 02 18:54:14 My Visual Studio uses tabs, my Eclipse uses tabs Feb 02 18:54:22 so I tought that i also use tabs in Komodo Feb 02 18:54:34 It's under preferences Feb 02 18:54:35 tabs are not evil Feb 02 18:54:38 Edit Preferences. Feb 02 18:54:43 Logdog82 that's fine. I dislike tabs because they render differently in different places. Feb 02 18:54:45 im the same way, used to tabs. Feb 02 18:54:53 can change the size. very convenient Feb 02 18:55:11 I was still there under preferences Feb 02 18:55:18 then Editor => Indentation? Feb 02 18:55:22 Yea Feb 02 18:55:53 yeah. And then prefer tabs over spaces? Feb 02 18:55:54 If not "Edit" > "Current File Settings" Feb 02 18:55:58 Yea Feb 02 18:56:03 try it out. I doesn't work Feb 02 18:56:05 it makes still tabs Feb 02 18:56:16 You wanted spaces or tabs. Feb 02 18:56:18 ahh sapces Feb 02 18:56:19 can we start the great ide wars of 2010 today? Feb 02 18:56:24 it makes still spaces Feb 02 18:56:39 it will be better to start mojo.scroller wars))) Feb 02 18:56:42 he he no. Komodo looks very fine. The only thing I want is spaces:) Feb 02 18:56:48 haeffb_pre: yes. Notepad 1.0 rocKs ! Feb 02 18:56:51 komodo isnt cheap Feb 02 18:56:52 haeffb_pre: not really I believe I have won this battle. Feb 02 18:57:06 Komodo Edit is "free" hehe. Feb 02 18:57:10 komodo no workie for me. Feb 02 18:57:18 why laugh? Feb 02 18:57:22 is it bad? Feb 02 18:57:47 dylanmei: what bad? Feb 02 18:58:10 you said Komodo Edit is "free" hehe <-- why hehe? Feb 02 18:59:09 hmmm and how can I change spaces to tabs? ;) Feb 02 18:59:23 haeffb_pre: what's not working? Feb 02 19:00:08 can i debug with komodo ide? if not its feature list doesnt any better than komodo edit Feb 02 19:00:33 dylanmei: I use putty Feb 02 19:00:34 :D Feb 02 19:00:44 :/ Feb 02 19:00:57 that would be krazy Feb 02 19:01:00 works great Feb 02 19:05:35 ooooh package-install-launch to emulator. debug and release setting. jslint. i think i will like this komodo edit + add on Feb 02 19:08:04 sugardave: I don't recall, exactly. tried it a couple of times, got frustrated quickly, & went crawling back to eclipse Feb 02 19:09:11 haeffb_pre: well, you should try again (but not right now) Feb 02 19:35:04 you know the trouble I have had with komodo edit: I dont want to restructure my projects, they are all in svn etc, and I havent been able to figure out how to get them into komodo without some pain. Feb 02 19:36:28 sugardave: you where right the ajax problem was an array problem, ended up wrapping single result in an array Feb 02 19:36:48 dylanmei - ya the WebOS Add-on is totally great Feb 02 19:41:51 <_azdak> before I waste time trying, am I right in guessing webOS won't layer audio? Feb 02 19:47:40 _azdak correct Feb 02 19:47:51 <_azdak> pooh Feb 02 19:48:37 lyht it's simple, create an empty project in komodo , delete everything from the src folder, then check out your version control system into the empty folder. Done. Feb 02 20:02:48 can anyone tell me how can i pass some value from one scene to aonther?? Feb 02 20:03:33 pushscene(sceneName, Param1, Param2 ...) Feb 02 20:03:37 or swapScene Feb 02 20:03:38 Yatharth, when you push, or between 2 different scenes currently displayed? Feb 02 20:03:48 dosn't matter. Feb 02 20:04:13 Rick_work: ah, swapscene... never used that. Always pushin' and popin'. :) Feb 02 20:04:27 fiftycal nodnod Feb 02 20:06:53 <_azdak> anybody know the syntax for starting the palm-worm thing? I can't figure it out Feb 02 20:07:18 is it possible to invoke a screenshot command via code? Feb 02 20:08:44 someone posted that code in the palm forums a while back I think Feb 02 20:08:54 ya when i push Feb 02 20:09:26 and how can i use this parameter in another scene? Feb 02 20:09:58 Yatharth, it shows up as a parameter in activate Feb 02 20:11:32 lyht:can you please explain with an example Feb 02 20:11:59 MyScene.prototype.active = function(param) { Feb 02 20:12:22 Mojo.Log.error("here is what was passed.", param); Feb 02 20:12:23 } Feb 02 20:12:48 active gets called when the scene is activated Feb 02 20:13:04 sorry Feb 02 20:13:07 activate Feb 02 20:13:26 ...prototype.activate = function Feb 02 20:13:36 lyht:the parameters passed from one scene are not accessed in the pushed scene through the constructor function of that scene? Feb 02 20:14:15 let me double check, but I believe that is correct. Feb 02 20:14:24 HAPPY GROUNDHOG DAY! Feb 02 20:15:47 I was wrong. Feb 02 20:15:59 pushScene sends it to the constructor Feb 02 20:16:25 popScene sends it to the activate function Feb 02 20:16:31 yep Feb 02 20:16:49 when you pop from a scene above, the activate gets the parameter from popscene Feb 02 20:17:16 but pushscene and swapScene pass it to the constructor, and you want to IMMEDIATELY copy the passed parameters into a this. property Feb 02 20:17:18 ok Feb 02 20:17:58 that's what I said :D Feb 02 20:21:53 sugardave:Yes you were right...:)...Actually i was making some silly mistakes.:-D Feb 02 20:22:12 thanx everyone Feb 02 20:22:20 oops, np Feb 02 20:33:27 have the following pagination code and can not figure out why the next button does not disappear when Pagination is Greater than results found: http://pastebin.com/d751e8086 Feb 02 20:37:14 your logic is probably wrong...if you are showing 10 results per page and results are 100, you should get a 'next' button on pages 1-9 Feb 02 20:40:16 can anyone help me figure out why my list isn't working? http://pastebin.com/d61c07158 Feb 02 20:41:21 where the list should be, it says "template load failed: views/dashboard/dashboard-blogListTemplate.html" Feb 02 20:41:42 and the error it gives is [20100202-15:40:57.984885] error: Error: Caught exception in List widget 'blogsList' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'parentNode' of null Feb 02 20:42:30 sugardave: yeah trying to figure out the logic, it seems rather simple... Feb 02 20:43:06 jlazaroff: maybe because the drawers are closed....? Feb 02 20:43:52 sugardave: it gives the same error if i take it out of the drawer Feb 02 20:44:00 bummer Feb 02 20:44:20 does your other list work if you don't try to setup the blogsList Feb 02 20:44:20 ? Feb 02 20:44:51 the problem is that your item hasn't been RENDERED yet, so it doesn't exist to have aparentnode OF at that point. Feb 02 20:45:00 ah Feb 02 20:45:57 is it because this is a dashboard? I haven't done anything with them Feb 02 20:46:24 sugardave: wait, is that a reserved thing? i just called it dashboard because that's sorta what this scene is Feb 02 20:46:41 oh, well, probably not Feb 02 20:46:53 dasjboard is the banner tinginys under the launch bar. Feb 02 20:47:06 there is a 'dashboard' in Mojo that they talk about with multi-stage apps Feb 02 20:47:07 yeah that Feb 02 20:47:19 hm, maybe i'll rename the scene then Feb 02 20:49:39 LoneStar99: if (results per page * current page) + results per page <= total results, show the 'next' button Feb 02 20:50:17 nope, still nothing Feb 02 20:51:48 it doesnt work when i rename the scene OR take it out of the drawer Feb 02 20:52:26 jlazaroff: that sucks, it all looks right to me....is there other code that might be causing the dom to not load properly? Feb 02 20:53:12 sugardave: i have no clue. i might just get rid of all the widgets in the scene and start over :\ Feb 02 20:55:00 sugardave: thanks let me try something like that Feb 02 21:08:13 How can we display some variable text in a text box.e.g.i retrieve single record from a table and i want to display the various fields of that record in text boxes,so can anyone tell me how can i do so? Feb 02 21:09:07 Yatharth: update the appropriate model property, probably 'value' of the widget and call modelChanged Feb 02 21:10:29 sugardave:can you please elaborate a little.. Feb 02 21:11:00 Yatharth: are you using Mojo TextField widgets? Feb 02 21:11:05 right Feb 02 21:11:10 yes Feb 02 21:11:23 so you do setupWidget and all that on them in setup or whenever... Feb 02 21:11:35 in their model, there is a property that represents the value Feb 02 21:11:48 yes i am doing that thing in setup function Feb 02 21:11:48 it's usually called 'value' but can be changed on some of them Feb 02 21:11:51 ok Feb 02 21:11:55 yes Feb 02 21:11:56 so later in code Feb 02 21:12:05 you update the model.value Feb 02 21:12:14 and then do this.controller.modelChanged(model); Feb 02 21:12:19 and pass it the newly updated model Feb 02 21:12:26 it should update the textfield Feb 02 21:12:32 argh, now nothing's coming up at all Feb 02 21:12:33 http://pastebin.com/da8b1ee7 Feb 02 21:12:40 and there's no error in the log Feb 02 21:14:46 jlazaroff: where are appMenuAttributes and appMenuModel being set? Feb 02 21:15:25 sugardave: in stage-assistant.js Feb 02 21:15:47 sugardave:i am doing like this: this.model1.value = results.rows.item(0).name; Feb 02 21:15:47 this.controller.modelChanged(model1); Feb 02 21:16:05 and its not working this way Feb 02 21:16:06 oh wait wait wait Feb 02 21:16:23 jlazaroff: I don't think you need 'views' in your path Feb 02 21:16:29 for the templates Feb 02 21:17:10 sugardave: that fixed it! Feb 02 21:17:12 Yatharth: are you sure that model property for the widget is 'value'...it is possible to change some of them via the attributes Feb 02 21:17:20 hold on, let me see if that fixes the other scene Feb 02 21:17:31 i didn't delete it, i just moved it :) Feb 02 21:18:45 ya should i paste my code in pastie to show how i have done? Feb 02 21:18:47 anyone know if it is possible to take a screenshot programmatically? Feb 02 21:18:51 Yatharth: for instance, if you set 'modelProperty' in the attributes, that would be it Feb 02 21:18:55 yeah, pastebin what you have Feb 02 21:19:13 codeslaw_work: I think so...there's a forum post about it somewhere Feb 02 21:19:33 sugardave: palm forums, or elsewhere? haven't had luck finding it yet Feb 02 21:19:43 yeah, the palm dev forums Feb 02 21:19:51 saw it a couple weeks ago...maybe in the api or services thread Feb 02 21:20:09 er section Feb 02 21:20:11 forum Feb 02 21:20:14 whatever Feb 02 21:20:24 checking Feb 02 21:20:52 Yatharth: bbs Feb 02 21:21:04 sugardave: YOU FIXED IT :D Feb 02 21:21:23 http://pastie.org/806574 Feb 02 21:21:23 found something on luna-send... can that be invoked in an app? Feb 02 21:21:41 sugardave:sure Feb 02 21:24:29 jlazaroff: excellent Feb 02 21:24:44 Yatharth: this looks okay, I'd change line 28 to bindAsEventListener, though Feb 02 21:24:56 er line 29 Feb 02 21:25:35 ok Feb 02 21:25:40 Yatharth: and then show me what you have for trying to change the value Feb 02 21:27:41 can someone running 1.3.5 do me a favor? (itll take 2 mins) Feb 02 21:27:53 If even two minutes Feb 02 21:28:00 on a phone? Feb 02 21:28:02 yeah Feb 02 21:28:08 depends.... :D Feb 02 21:28:21 I need em to go to the catalog... and search countdown puzzles Feb 02 21:28:24 sure Feb 02 21:28:27 hang on Feb 02 21:28:28 http://pastie.org/806584 Feb 02 21:28:30 and tell me what version comes up Feb 02 21:28:32 thanks Feb 02 21:29:45 Tibfib: 0.4.3 Feb 02 21:29:54 ARGG Feb 02 21:29:56 thanks dude Feb 02 21:29:58 np Feb 02 21:30:11 My dev portal says 0.6.0 should be out Feb 02 21:30:17 but in the catalog it hasn't been updated Feb 02 21:30:29 when did the dev portal update? Feb 02 21:30:30 wait for the cache Feb 02 21:30:32 today? Feb 02 21:30:45 okay, we're back to this version now. http://pastebin.com/d61c07158 new question: why are my lists no longer in my drawers? Feb 02 21:30:46 last night Feb 02 21:30:50 http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/countdown-puzzles' Feb 02 21:30:50 it's ahead of the actual store update Feb 02 21:31:03 That's whats weird Feb 02 21:31:29 the precentral page only has half of the updated info (like I updated the screen shots and description which don't show on the precentral page) Feb 02 21:31:43 Oh well, I'll wait another day and see what happens Feb 02 21:32:29 <_azdak> anybody tried switching the .src on a new Audio object? Feb 02 21:32:46 no Feb 02 21:33:09 http://pastie.org/806584 Feb 02 21:33:11 Yatharth: I think I'm following this...are you sure a> your success handler is being called and b> there is data in results.rows.item? Feb 02 21:34:04 yes in the success handler i tried displaying this value directly on the screen it worked perfectly Feb 02 21:34:47 can you Mojo.Log.info(results.rows.item(0).name); at the top of your named function and see the value? Feb 02 21:34:52 but when i am trying to display it in a text box it is not showing any value in the text box. Feb 02 21:35:04 oh Feb 02 21:35:05 wait Feb 02 21:35:05 is there some comparable to php "number_format" in javascript? add commas to numbers? Feb 02 21:35:22 Yatharth: when you call modelChanged...you are passing model1 and not this.model1 Feb 02 21:35:49 ok Feb 02 21:35:57 that is probably it Feb 02 21:36:00 model1 is undefined Feb 02 21:36:57 sugardave:hey thanx alot Feb 02 21:37:01 np Feb 02 21:37:15 LoneStar99, check out phpjs.org Feb 02 21:37:18 <_azdak> LoneStar99- not really. Have to edit strings directly, so far as I know Feb 02 21:37:48 http://phpjs.org/functions/number_format:481 Feb 02 21:38:11 js function that replicates the php function Feb 02 21:38:47 dawm: to much code, gonna convert it on the server side Feb 02 21:39:32 so, if someone were crazy enough to want to design a new quasi-distributed MUD...what db schema considerations should be addressed? Feb 02 21:39:52 LoneStar99: Mojo.Format.formatNumber Feb 02 21:39:53 <_azdak> haha Feb 02 21:40:27 I'm thinking tables that instead of having a column for each 'stat' or value of whatever, it will just be a 'model' table for a certain type of thing, and a 'big string' representing the properties (so a JSON string) Feb 02 21:40:43 LoneStar99, too much code? Feb 02 21:40:46 remove the comment Feb 02 21:41:09 its 17 lines ;p just throw it in a common_functions.js Feb 02 21:41:17 then you can use it whenever where ever Feb 02 21:41:30 ;P Feb 02 21:41:45 hi, maybe someone has an experience of working with scroller snapElements and setSnapIndex ? Feb 02 21:42:03 jsut need to add commas to numbers like 1000 10000 etc (1,000 10,000) Feb 02 21:42:09 fanatsumy: I got snapElements to work once...but I hated it Feb 02 21:42:15 me too) Feb 02 21:43:04 but i dont see another solution for my case Feb 02 21:43:09 <_azdak> sugardave- seems like that'd be slower in the long run Feb 02 21:43:54 _azdak: probably...but trying to come up with an extensible system that doesn't require mucking around the db too much (or at all) Feb 02 21:44:08 I guess a schema manager to take a property file to alter the table... Feb 02 21:44:09 sop Feb 02 21:44:33 sugardave: were there vertical or horizontal elements? (snapElements) Feb 02 21:44:51 mine was just a regular vert crolling list Feb 02 21:45:12 can you tell how have you passed the snapElements param Feb 02 21:45:36 oh man, I think I ditched that code, but it has to be an array of DOM elements Feb 02 21:45:45 i use model.snapElements = {y: $('.myclassname')}; Feb 02 21:45:52 am I right ? Feb 02 21:45:58 not $ but $$ Feb 02 21:46:00 sorry Feb 02 21:46:09 um....I don't know Feb 02 21:46:13 ok) Feb 02 21:46:15 I don't use the $ much Feb 02 21:46:43 fanatsumy: I think I just used the list.model.items Feb 02 21:46:48 anyone here using a touchstone Feb 02 21:46:50 which should be the dom elements Feb 02 21:46:55 CTLAdvance: I have one Feb 02 21:47:22 any idea if we can get some of the items like phone and the clock to work in landscape mode? Feb 02 21:48:09 I know we have a patch for email Feb 02 21:48:14 fanatsumy: sorry, I deleted that code and didn't keep an example Feb 02 21:48:37 no problem, thank you anyway Feb 02 21:49:04 you are the man who always answers my questions :) Feb 02 21:49:06 CTLAdvance: oh, hell no, I have no idea :D Feb 02 21:50:21 fanatsumy: but, if that's a model property...you should be able to update it after the fact with model.snapElements = {y: model.items}, I'd think Feb 02 21:51:09 yes, this is a good idea) Feb 02 21:51:37 awesome!! Feb 02 21:51:52 was selling a grille from my car (i replaced it) on ebay, the auction ended with no buyer Feb 02 21:51:58 just relisted it and it just sold 5mins later Feb 02 21:52:11 nice Feb 02 21:53:10 and i finally broke down and bought a printer last week so i can print a shipping label and not have to hand write one ;D Feb 02 21:53:18 heh Feb 02 21:57:05 <_azdak> has anybody messed with audio a bunch? Feb 02 22:04:10 is chuq still taking a nap? Feb 02 22:06:16 Is Adora watching? Feb 02 22:09:05 google must be doing something to google docs cause its not working for anything, even in Chrome.. Feb 02 22:11:17 _azdak: reality9110 has messed with audio a LOT Feb 02 22:11:22 dawm: hp printer ink is more expensive than human blood Feb 02 22:11:37 he usually gets on in the mid-evening US time Feb 02 22:12:07 <_azdak> sweet. I'm gonna go eat dinner, be back later to see if he's poking around Feb 02 22:12:10 <_azdak> thanks Feb 02 22:12:11 np Feb 02 22:12:24 <_azdak> lates Feb 02 22:14:37 yawn... someone called? Feb 02 22:18:59 codeslaw_work, good thing i got a canon then ;p Feb 02 22:19:08 haha Feb 02 22:19:36 almost got an HP tho, but the canon came with the usb cable so i was sold on not having to spend more money Feb 02 22:19:48 laser printers ftw Feb 02 22:26:42 chuqui_napping: on developer.palm.com why does a search for "mojo.format" return results, but "Mojo.Format" does not? Feb 02 22:27:04 probably because our search sucks? Feb 02 22:27:12 Woot! Feb 02 22:27:14 someone agrees Feb 02 22:27:27 which search. the one on the top of the pages? or the forum spefic search on the front page? Feb 02 22:27:40 top of page Feb 02 22:28:11 chuq: are improvements on the way? Feb 02 22:28:12 Try going to the home page of the forum; there's a forums specific search in the left navbar. Feb 02 22:28:32 yeah, but I wanted to search the api refs. Feb 02 22:28:37 we're talking over what to do. Feb 02 22:28:48 that's good to hear Feb 02 22:28:59 hopefully it's "get a better search." Feb 02 22:29:16 it looks like you don't convert the search string to lowercase, but you do convert what you're searching thru. Feb 02 22:29:24 since the actual API is "Mojo.Format" Feb 02 22:29:58 is the luna package something that can be accessed via code within an app? Feb 02 22:30:04 i.e. luna-send Feb 02 22:30:18 specifically: luna-send luna://com.palm.systemmanager/takeScreenShot '{"file":"screenshot.png"}' Feb 02 22:33:39 time to go watch some HS ball. Feb 02 22:39:06 are the luna commands for the emulator only? i am confused. Feb 02 22:41:51 codeslaw: "luna-send" is a comand-line utility that does a service request (in your example) to the systemmanager to request a screen shot. You should be able to do the same thing with an XMLHttpRequest (provided the call you're making is in the public API)... Feb 02 22:45:03 (though I'm not sure takeScreenShot is a public API...) Feb 02 22:46:51 you should be able to do a serviceRequest Feb 02 22:47:13 ok Feb 02 22:47:27 there is an app in teh catalog that currently does this, and I am assuming using this command Feb 02 22:47:43 this.controller.serviceRequest(palm://com.palm.systemManager',{method: 'takeScreenShot'} Feb 02 22:48:03 right, like that. :-) Feb 02 22:48:16 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1590&Itemid=20 Feb 02 22:48:24 awesome Feb 02 22:48:40 note that while lemketron is the magic emulator guy, he's not ACTUALLY a mojo guy so much Feb 02 22:48:50 not so much Feb 02 22:49:02 note also codeslaw_work that you'll need to pass it a parameters object with the file name. Feb 02 22:49:05 see the documentation Feb 02 22:49:10 but I did search developer.palm.com and my search came up empty. :-/ Feb 02 22:49:49 so, it being documented here, I should be ok to submit an app utilizing it? Feb 02 22:50:14 not HERE here, but in the link Rick_work provided Feb 02 22:51:04 if the SERVICE is public, then you're fine Feb 02 22:51:12 cool Feb 02 22:51:12 and if it isn't when you try it call it, it won't work. Feb 02 22:51:36 Rick: What were you actually pointing to? You didn't find docs on takeScreenShot, did you? I don't see it in that link. Feb 02 22:51:47 no Feb 02 22:51:53 ah. Feb 02 22:52:05 do you know if the 'file' parameter of a screenshot is a full path, or a filename to be put in the screenshots directory Feb 02 22:52:08 so either (A) it's not a public API, or (B) it's missing form the docs. Feb 02 22:52:14 I pointed to this.controller.serviceRequest() Feb 02 22:52:17 if it's missing from the docs, I can get that fixed. Feb 02 22:52:26 which is the generic way of doing a Luna Send from within Mojo. Feb 02 22:52:46 there's LOTS of stuff missing from the docs that are public. Feb 02 22:52:49 lots and lots . Feb 02 22:52:54 this page might've been better for service request: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1649&Itemid=20 Feb 02 22:52:59 email me a list. Feb 02 22:53:58 i like where this is going Feb 02 22:58:23 codeslaw_work let me know if that take screenshot call I sent you works. Feb 02 22:58:48 Rick_work: will do, though not till I get home later tonight Feb 02 22:59:09 i basically look stuff up all day at work, don't get to have any fun Feb 02 23:18:57 wonderful...in the middle of updating .bash_profile and my web host goes down Feb 02 23:25:08 sugardave: damn Feb 02 23:25:27 who's your host Feb 02 23:41:09 greetings everybody Feb 02 23:41:25 I am a newbie webos developer and have a question Feb 02 23:41:53 let's - say - I've developed a cool game and distributed it to appstore. Feb 02 23:43:08 now since my game is mostly in JavaScript, all it takes to look at my source code is downloading the game on a rooted device and and doing "less /path/to/my/source/code.js". Feb 02 23:43:29 How am I supposed to protected my code against piracy with Pre ? Feb 02 23:43:31 yep Feb 02 23:43:41 eclockwor you are exactly correct. Feb 02 23:43:47 eclockwor you can't. Feb 02 23:43:57 eclockwor why is this a problem for you? Feb 02 23:43:58 you just decide not to worry about it Feb 02 23:44:15 or you go develop for another platform Feb 02 23:44:31 or you wait for PDK Feb 02 23:44:35 I do not want someone to take advantage of the code I've spent time to develop and debug. Feb 02 23:44:37 eclockwor apps that provide good value to the customer, which are appropriately priced for the work that went into them, and which provide services the customer needs will sell. Feb 02 23:44:56 eclockwor have you written substantial commercial apps before? Feb 02 23:45:20 for iPhone. Feb 02 23:45:30 ahhh... Feb 02 23:45:40 how does PDK help? Feb 02 23:46:01 well, this is different than iphone apps, more similar to android or blackberry apps... in that apps written in Java can always be de-compiled to source as well. Feb 02 23:46:14 note, how little that gets abused their either.... Feb 02 23:47:05 eclockwor the PDK allows you to compile C or C++ apps written against an SDL or GL-ES output structure Feb 02 23:47:16 and then to sell those binary apps through the app store. Feb 02 23:47:24 ok, thanks. Feb 02 23:48:06 note that if you do that, you are, to a large extent cutting yourself off from the mojo environment and the core palm apps. The API's exist (using luna-send) to call into many (but not all) core apps from binary. Feb 02 23:48:42 eclockwor if you want to pursue that path, the place to chat about it is in #webos-internals where the pdk is used to compile stuff all the time rather than here, where the development is primarily javascript. Feb 02 23:49:36 eclockwor but honestly for the last 25 years, I've provided my customers with source. And I keep selling what I wrote. I know I'm not such a master magnificent programmer that someone else can't write what I do.... so I don't worry about it. Feb 02 23:50:04 ok, thanks for input. Feb 02 23:50:12 welcome Feb 02 23:50:45 * Rick_work scratches his head. I never -will- understand that worry. Feb 02 23:53:16 eclockwor: I even dumped our iPhone source on the interwebs Feb 02 23:54:08 eclockwor: Im using examples on the net etc to do stuff I consider if Im doing it then theres no reason someone else shouldnt be able to do the same with ours to help them along. Feb 02 23:55:52 exactly. and I've -never- had code ripped off in 25 years of posting and shipping source. Feb 02 23:55:54 eclockwor: at the end of the day you are only going to make it in the software dev world if you can keep ahead of the competition and if they are only up to what you have already done there is no real issue right? ;) Feb 02 23:56:10 swishy, there's another part too. Feb 02 23:56:10 Rick_work: :) Feb 02 23:56:32 Those who give, get. If you share and participate in the community, and help folks, then when you need it, you get help. Feb 02 23:56:36 indeed Feb 02 23:56:36 :) Feb 02 23:56:51 got it Feb 03 00:21:17 anyway I can tell the difference between doctor files? I guess I could always just go download 1.3.5.1 again... But I am sure I already have it. Feb 03 00:28:39 lyht: md5sums are listed on the webos-internals wiki page Feb 03 00:28:49 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Feb 03 00:28:56 if you find one that is not listed, please add it Feb 03 01:04:33 anyone know what this file does it is in php, found it in a friends server Feb 03 01:04:35 http://forbesrealtyunion.com/ueegn/xqksp/vulture.txt Feb 03 01:08:29 it checks if the web client is a bot, and if not, it redirects to http://finestats1.net/in.cgi?11 Feb 03 01:08:56 That way the bots will see actual content. Feb 03 01:09:11 but humans get the redirect Feb 03 01:10:17 Looks like the content is just crap... Feb 03 01:10:24 anyone know what this file does? it is in php, found it in a friends server: http://forbesrealtyunion.com/ueegn/xqksp/vulture.txt Feb 03 01:10:51 sorry, LoneStar99, I was actually responding to you Feb 03 01:11:10 oh ok, yeah weird, Feb 03 01:12:04 Doesn't do anything bad to the server... but if it was named index.php it could have been hijacking his traffic Feb 03 01:12:16 it seems like some sort of word generator.... probably for spamming results Feb 03 01:12:55 although why anyone would want to snag "vulture" I dont know. Feb 03 01:13:05 snag=spam Feb 03 01:13:39 http://forbesrealtyunion.com/ueegn/xqksp/livejournal.php Feb 03 01:13:54 just a bunch of useless phrases Feb 03 01:13:59 weird Feb 03 01:15:40 oh gonna delete all the crap Feb 03 02:12:07 mornin' rwhitby Feb 03 02:12:19 g'day Feb 03 02:30:03 morning rwhitby Feb 03 02:30:16 finally got the pre sorted out Feb 03 02:30:20 profile and all Feb 03 02:30:44 thanks for all your help Feb 03 02:35:52 haeffb-wirc: are there? Feb 03 02:36:22 sorta Feb 03 02:36:33 at a bball game... Feb 03 02:36:48 oh ok... cool Feb 03 02:37:23 what you need? Feb 03 02:37:25 i'll show u the screenshot later Feb 03 02:38:31 enjoy the bb-game Feb 03 02:41:14 woot, my app has 5 reviews. at least according to "My Apps." looks like there's a delay until they show up somewhere else? Feb 03 02:43:44 where in my apps are the reviews? Feb 03 02:44:25 ambackstrom: that 5 is I think the rating your app has, no the number of review Feb 03 02:49:31 weird wording, then Feb 03 02:50:14 yeah I know. I thought the same, but then it went down Feb 03 02:52:07 where are the ratings located? Feb 03 02:53:57 i've been checking my app page on the phone via AppScoop Feb 03 02:56:22 k **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 03 02:59:56 2010