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Feb 15 03:10:59 <LoneStar99> so it can written in any launguage?
Feb 15 03:19:04 <Bmyers> heading out haeefb_pre: ?
Feb 15 03:19:14 <Bmyers> haeffb_pre: ?
Feb 15 03:19:52 <haeffb_pre> watchin' 30 rock on DVD
Feb 15 03:20:10 <Bmyers> no figure skating for you?
Feb 15 03:22:26 <haeffb_pre> watched a little sled riding & got bored
Feb 15 03:22:33 <LoneStar99> watching figure skating
Feb 15 03:32:42 <Bmyers> haeffb_pre: same email on your pre?
Feb 15 03:32:48 <Bmyers> gonna email u a pic
Feb 15 03:34:19 <haeffb> yep
Feb 15 03:38:00 <haeffb> here's a shot I captured on Friday: http://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/20100212PresidentsDayBirdHunt#5438308854209151202
Feb 15 03:47:21 <Bmyers> is there one of you in there haeffb: ?
Feb 15 03:47:35 <haeffb> no, I wield the camera
Feb 15 03:48:50 <Bmyers> i hear ya.. none of me either .
Feb 15 03:49:05 <haeffb> here's my feet: http://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/Portfolio#5145520737778492194
Feb 15 03:49:06 <Bmyers> i dont even exist on our picasa site
Feb 15 03:49:13 <Bmyers> saw your feet
Feb 15 03:49:19 <Bmyers> recognized you in that one
Feb 15 03:49:33 <Bmyers> get the screen shot?
Feb 15 03:49:58 <haeffb> yep. color is better.
Feb 15 03:50:02 <haeffb> wife: http://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/Portfolio#5145521309009142674
Feb 15 04:02:22 <LoneStar99> what is the equivent to "window.addEventListener" in mojo?
Feb 15 04:07:21 <haeffb_asleep> this.controller.listen(this.controller.document, ..., ...);
Feb 15 04:09:56 <LoneStar99> k thanks
Feb 15 05:17:54 <LoneStar99> how  I convert the following so it can work with mojo  "if(window.addEventListener) { window.addEventListener('load', function () {}"
Feb 15 06:20:29 <scottb> Evening folks
Feb 15 06:20:45 <digitalpowers> anyone know if it is possible to store images in the HTML5 database and then display them? or to download an image to the app directory? or ... not sure what else.  but basically to ship the app with a few images and download more as you go without having to recompile and redistrubute the app?
Feb 15 06:21:07 <digitalpowers> scottb: evening :)
Feb 15 06:21:41 <scottb> digitalpowers: Using the canvas you can draw an image using a data uri and export it as a data uri and store that in the database
Feb 15 06:22:50 <scottb> You should also be able to save images to the device's files system
Feb 15 06:22:58 <scottb> Dont know how though, haven't needed to as of yet
Feb 15 06:23:12 <digitalpowers> scottb: excelent, i will get to reading up on canvas then. i havent seen anything that allows you to directly save files yet
Feb 15 06:23:54 <scottb> digitalpowers: What kind of app are you working on?
Feb 15 06:24:08 <digitalpowers> i am writing a GPS based game
Feb 15 06:24:37 <scottb> Very nice :)
Feb 15 06:24:38 <scottb> https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1790&Itemid=20
Feb 15 06:24:42 <digitalpowers> and i will be adding quite a few images as the game goes on and the possibility of user submitted images as well so recompiling will be frustrating
Feb 15 06:24:44 <scottb> Check that link out, may be what you are after
Feb 15 06:25:22 <scottb> What about hosting them remotely?
Feb 15 06:25:49 <scottb> Wow =/
Feb 15 06:25:52 <scottb> Just checked admob
Feb 15 06:25:54 <scottb> Kinda lame
Feb 15 06:26:03 <scottb> 51 clicks is worth 79 cents
Feb 15 06:26:04 <zomg> digitalpowers: images can be directly displayed via <img src="http://whatever.com/img.jpg"> (afaik anyway)
Feb 15 06:26:11 <scottb> Pardon me 71 cents
Feb 15 06:26:27 <zomg> scottb: wow that's pretty poor o_O
Feb 15 06:26:28 <digitalpowers> i will be hosting them remotely but i dont want to download them every run, because i dont want the user to have to dl them every time they use it, although if that is what it comes down to i will
Feb 15 06:26:49 <zomg> digitalpowers: perhaps try sending caching headers if the images don't change often
Feb 15 06:26:52 <scottb> zomg: Tell me about it =/
Feb 15 06:27:15 <scottb> 13k impressions, 68 clicks for a grand total of 81 cents
Feb 15 06:27:38 <digitalpowers> man you guys are not makign me feel good about the ad supported bussiness
Feb 15 06:28:04 <scottb> digitalpowers: I know
Feb 15 06:28:15 <zomg> well if you can get specific sponsors instead of some generic (crappy?) ad network it'll be better
Feb 15 06:28:25 <scottb> I figured I would give it a try and see if I could give my apps away and still make money but I don't know if I can
Feb 15 06:28:50 <scottb> zomg: Wouldn't know the first place to start with that
Feb 15 06:29:23 <digitalpowers> someone made a good point earlier, the thing about ad supported is that the money keeps coming as long as people are using it, with paid apps the money stops after everyone who wants it buys it
Feb 15 06:29:34 <scottb> I do have to keep in mind that this app has only been out a few hours in beta and only has about 1k downloads
Feb 15 06:29:52 <digitalpowers> scottb: was admob hard to get setup with?
Feb 15 06:29:56 <scottb> digitalpowers: Exactly why I'm giving it a shot
Feb 15 06:30:07 <zomg> scottb: does't mochiads or something like that have ads for apps too?
Feb 15 06:30:14 <scottb> digitalpowers: Extremely easy
Feb 15 06:30:19 <zomg> not sure if their payments are any better though
Feb 15 06:30:24 <digitalpowers> scottb: excelent
Feb 15 06:30:25 <scottb> Filled out the registration form and pasted 8 lines of code into my app
Feb 15 06:30:44 <scottb> There is quattro who pays per impression
Feb 15 06:30:47 <scottb> Going to try them next
Feb 15 06:30:51 <scottb> Still feeling things out
Feb 15 06:31:28 <scottb> My first app has sold about 600 to 700 copies since friday morning (when it went public) at 1.99 each
Feb 15 06:31:55 <zomg> Nice
Feb 15 06:31:57 <scottb> Which is decent money but I don't know that I'll keep seeing chunks of change like that so I'm exploring the ad supported route
Feb 15 06:32:09 <zomg> I wish they got off their arses and released the Pre in Finland so I could do some apps too :P
Feb 15 06:32:36 <zomg> Or maybe I should just aim for Ovi Store, though I recall Ovi Store required you to be a company to be able to submit apps
Feb 15 06:32:38 <scottb> I hope they wait off
Feb 15 06:32:55 <scottb> I wan't to get a good foothold in the us market before they open up the store to the entire world
Feb 15 06:33:00 <zomg> hehe =)
Feb 15 06:33:16 <digitalpowers> scottb: let me know what you find, i am definately planning on doing ad supported.  what is your app anyways?
Feb 15 06:33:20 <scottb> You could go web distribution
Feb 15 06:33:32 <scottb> Minefinder
Feb 15 06:33:42 <zomg> oo a minesweeper game?
Feb 15 06:33:42 <scottb> err
Feb 15 06:33:45 <scottb> Minefield
Feb 15 06:33:54 <scottb> Mine Finder is the alternate game mode I'm working on
Feb 15 06:33:56 <scottb> Yeah :)
Feb 15 06:34:00 <zomg> Classic =)
Feb 15 06:34:09 <digitalpowers> nice
Feb 15 06:34:10 <scottb> Just submitted an update with two new themes and a bug fix
Feb 15 06:34:19 <zomg> I should try porting my Sim City clone to the Pre
Feb 15 06:34:23 <scottb> Going to add in 3 variant game modes :)
Feb 15 06:34:41 <scottb> zomg: You should :)
Feb 15 06:34:46 <zomg> It already runs in Opera widget runtime so it shouldn't be too tricky
Feb 15 06:34:52 <zomg> and it's optimized for small screens =)
Feb 15 06:35:04 <zomg> I just can't find the time
Feb 15 06:35:34 <scottb> I'll port it for you :D
Feb 15 06:36:07 <zomg> :D
Feb 15 06:36:10 <scottb> Oh made another penny!
Feb 15 06:36:32 <scottb> 1083 downloads at a 4.5 rating :)
Feb 15 06:37:29 <scottb> By Jason C: Best. Description. Ever.
Feb 15 06:37:56 <scottb> "You are here because you are bored, you are here because you need to waste time, and you are here to clear a minefield."
Feb 15 06:41:30 <zomg> Yeah that's pretty clever :D
Feb 15 06:43:37 <scottb> Hoo Ra
Feb 15 06:43:59 <digitalpowers> haha
Feb 15 06:44:31 <digitalpowers> anyone know the quickest way to copy files to the emulator? i am guessing sftp or somthing but ahvent found anything yet
Feb 15 06:45:25 <scottb> palm-install ?
Feb 15 06:45:35 <scottb> Or individual files?
Feb 15 06:45:51 <scottb> Use scp
Feb 15 06:45:59 <digitalpowers> individual files, to the storage card
Feb 15 06:46:07 <scottb> Yeah, use scp
Feb 15 06:46:07 <digitalpowers> scottb: cool scp it is, i google :0
Feb 15 06:46:20 <scottb> Or USB mode :P
Feb 15 06:46:37 <digitalpowers> the emulator doesnt appear to have an emulator mode
Feb 15 06:46:41 <scottb> Put it on /media/internal
Feb 15 06:46:42 <digitalpowers> * usb mode
Feb 15 06:48:00 <digitalpowers> sweet, loading images from /media/internal works great, and it looks like downloading them will work as well thanks scottb
Feb 15 06:48:15 <scottb> np
Feb 15 06:49:05 <scottb> Well it's time for bed
Feb 15 06:49:08 <scottb> Work in the morning
Feb 15 06:49:15 <digitalpowers> gnight
Feb 15 06:49:17 <scottb> Good luck with you app :)
Feb 15 06:49:27 <digitalpowers> thanks :)
Feb 15 06:49:34 <scottb> And check out code breaker on the catalog and minefield in the beta feed :P
Feb 15 06:49:53 <digitalpowers> will do
Feb 15 07:00:12 <rwhitby> http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/9130934194 <- Preware 0.9.25 released
Feb 15 07:04:34 <juancferrer> How are you supposed to work with a lazy loaded list?  It seems I have to keep the array that holds the data around
Feb 15 07:06:45 <juancferrer> In my items callback I make a request to get the most recent youtube vids, then in the onSucces of that request, I make an empty array, and iterate over the response from youtube and add the data to the array, then i call noticeUpdatedItems on the list.
Feb 15 09:10:37 <juancferrer> Does video playback work in the emulator?  I'm trying to test the embedded player, but I see nothing.  I don't have a real device to test on.
Feb 15 09:25:44 <juancferrer> i can't get youtube working, so I guess it doesn't work... How am I supposed to test my app??
Feb 15 10:01:44 <zomg> juancferrer: html5 video or flash video?
Feb 15 10:02:07 <juancferrer> hmm...not sure.  I'm guessing html5
Feb 15 10:02:20 <zomg> you don't know what video your app is trying to show?
Feb 15 10:02:22 <juancferrer> i just went to youtube in the browser and clicked on a few of the videos on the main page
Feb 15 10:02:36 <juancferrer> oh, my app??
Feb 15 10:02:43 <zomg> Have you enabled the html5 video beta for youtube?
Feb 15 10:02:51 <zomg> it will default to flash unless you opt-in to the beta
Feb 15 10:03:03 <zomg> (and tbh I don't even know whether Pre supports html5 video to begin with)
Feb 15 10:03:05 <juancferrer> oh, i guess i gotta do that
Feb 15 10:03:29 <juancferrer> i just wrote a quick app that uses the youtube api and gets links to youtube videos
Feb 15 10:03:46 <zomg> Yeah that most likely just gets you the flash ones, which won't work
Feb 15 10:03:49 <juancferrer> i made it return just the ones that are encoded for mobile phones.  It gives me a rtsp link to a 3gp file
Feb 15 10:03:58 <juancferrer> but it still doesn't work, but it could be my code
Feb 15 10:04:34 <juancferrer> i don't have a real device to verify
Feb 15 10:08:44 <juancferrer> doesn't seem to be working in the emulator
Feb 15 10:11:14 <ohuerta> how can i log the debug to my project with novaterm?
Feb 15 10:31:28 <ohuerta> i type debug in novaterm, but now how can i run the project in the debug?
Feb 15 10:49:41 <ohuerta> anyone know how to debug with palm sdk?
Feb 15 11:21:41 <ohuerta> help guys, i need to know how to debug using the terminal , i have a terminal linked to the device, i type debug and now i dont know what to do, tx
Feb 15 12:00:37 <hucksy> ohuerta: what do you want to debug?
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Feb 15 12:10:00 <rwhitby> drnull: ping
Feb 15 13:35:18 <ohuerta> hucksy are u there?¿
Feb 15 13:35:29 <hucksy> yes
Feb 15 13:35:31 <ohuerta> hi
Feb 15 13:35:36 <hucksy> hi
Feb 15 13:35:42 <ohuerta> i want to debug a simple project of palmos
Feb 15 13:36:02 <ohuerta> i have to use the command line with novaterm and the debug command
Feb 15 13:36:11 <ohuerta> but  idont know how to link with my project
Feb 15 13:36:36 <hucksy> huh, palmos or webos?
Feb 15 13:36:54 <ohuerta> is the same
Feb 15 13:36:55 <ohuerta> webos
Feb 15 13:36:56 <ohuerta> if u want
Feb 15 13:36:57 <ohuerta> sorry
Feb 15 13:37:00 <ohuerta> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1672
Feb 15 13:37:45 <ohuerta> it tell me to open a terminal to device and type debug
Feb 15 13:37:52 <digitalpowers> ohuerta: you dont link it to the project precicely, when you add a breakpoint to it you give the full path tot he script you want to debug
Feb 15 13:38:05 <ohuerta> aha
Feb 15 13:38:20 <ohuerta> but i run the app and the debug doesnt stop
Feb 15 13:38:37 <ohuerta> at the breakpoint
Feb 15 13:39:12 <ohuerta> have i change any option while compiling?
Feb 15 13:39:14 <ohuerta> i use eclipse
Feb 15 13:39:33 <digitalpowers> ohuerta: right start debug first, then add a break point (the source is somewhere aroudn /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/) then run the app
Feb 15 13:39:37 <digitalpowers> it should break on that line
Feb 15 13:39:44 <ohuerta> yes
Feb 15 13:39:49 <ohuerta> i take that steps
Feb 15 13:40:06 <digitalpowers> can i see your "break" line? mind pasting it
Feb 15 13:40:13 <ohuerta> sure
Feb 15 13:41:08 <ohuerta> b /var/usr/palm/applications/com.dylvian.loterias/apps/assistants/app-assistant.js:7
Feb 15 13:41:08 <ohuerta> set breakpoint #2
Feb 15 13:41:54 <ohuerta> after write the breakpoint i compile and launch the app in eclipse
Feb 15 13:42:09 <ohuerta> and it doesnt stop at the break
Feb 15 13:42:12 <digitalpowers> i think the problem is that /var/usr isnt where the app is, it is almost surely at /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.dylvian.loterias/apps/assistants/app-assistant.js
Feb 15 13:42:13 <ohuerta> it runs completely
Feb 15 13:42:34 <ohuerta> ok
Feb 15 13:42:55 <ohuerta> but
Feb 15 13:43:05 <ohuerta> if im using the emulator?
Feb 15 13:43:38 <digitalpowers> should be the same place, you can go verify that by cd'ing into that directory
Feb 15 13:43:38 <ohuerta> is the same address?
Feb 15 13:43:50 <digitalpowers> yeah on my emulator it is the same as the device
Feb 15 13:44:16 <digitalpowers> also i think it is /app/assistants not /apps/assistants
Feb 15 13:44:23 <ohuerta> aaa
Feb 15 13:44:27 <ohuerta> okok
Feb 15 13:44:28 <ohuerta> tx
Feb 15 13:44:30 <ohuerta> ill try it
Feb 15 13:44:34 <ohuerta> now i have to go
Feb 15 13:44:38 <ohuerta> thank u a lot
Feb 15 13:44:44 <ohuerta> bb
Feb 15 13:45:20 <digitalpowers> have a good one
Feb 15 13:45:34 <ohuerta> :)
Feb 15 14:20:54 <digitalpowers> stupid download manager, why doesnt it have an option to fail if the file already exists, would be so handy
Feb 15 14:42:14 <drnull> rwhitby: pong
Feb 15 15:14:25 <haeffb_asleep> anybody have tips for using eclipse for (normal) web development?
Feb 15 15:19:48 <scottb> Hey
Feb 15 15:20:14 <scottb> What even is triggered when you go into card view? I need to clear an interval
Feb 15 15:20:46 <haeffb> scene deactivate() or stage deactivate()
Feb 15 15:21:30 <scottb> Is that an event?
Feb 15 15:21:53 <haeffb> no, the deactivate() function of your scene and stage are called
Feb 15 15:22:03 <scottb> =/
Feb 15 15:22:21 <scottb> I have a clear interval in there, wonder whats going wrong
Feb 15 15:24:35 <digitalpowers> anyone know if the download manager can be asked nicely to not downlaod a file if it already exists instead of writing over it or adding and _1 copy of it?
Feb 15 15:27:33 <digitalpowers> and/or/also on a related but different note, anyone know how to access the .src attribute on a img that i can get with $("imgID")? other than use .innerHTML?
Feb 15 15:48:56 <scottb> Holly cow! I'm rich!
Feb 15 15:49:13 <scottb> $1.27 in ad money so far :D
Feb 15 15:49:15 <digitalpowers> scottb: you up over $1 now?
Feb 15 15:49:16 <digitalpowers> nice
Feb 15 15:49:31 <scottb> 19k impressions
Feb 15 15:49:40 <digitalpowers> jeeze, that is some serious use
Feb 15 15:49:42 <scottb> 96 clicks
Feb 15 15:50:02 <VincentLaw> after taxes that's like 10 cents!
Feb 15 15:50:04 <VincentLaw> nice! :p
Feb 15 15:50:20 <scottb> Yeah, 1572 downloads :)
Feb 15 15:50:56 <scottb> So ~ 10 games per person who downloaded it :)
Feb 15 15:51:09 <scottb> 4.5 stars out of 5 :D
Feb 15 15:52:11 <digitalpowers> nice
Feb 15 15:54:12 <scottb> well g2g, work
Feb 15 16:28:34 <joetweeply> so where is the update that has been anounced for today?
Feb 15 16:41:28 <haeffb> joetweeply: announced by whom?
Feb 15 16:41:55 <joetweeply> i read it somewhere... i think precentral?
Feb 15 16:43:20 <haeffb> that's not an announcement by Palm, though.
Feb 15 16:43:36 <haeffb> there has been speculation, but no announcement.
Feb 15 16:46:39 <joetweeply> ah okay
Feb 15 16:51:32 <Bmyers> hi haeffb:
Feb 15 16:56:30 <noaXess> hi all
Feb 15 16:56:49 <noaXess> the icon.png.. what dimensions should that have? 64x64?
Feb 15 16:58:11 <jbjoerk> noaXess, depends
Feb 15 16:58:20 <noaXess> jbjoerk: on what?
Feb 15 16:58:22 <jbjoerk> noaXess, icon is 64x64, smallicon is 32x32
Feb 15 16:58:28 <jbjoerk> and miniicon is . uh. smaller
Feb 15 16:58:34 <noaXess> ok..
Feb 15 16:58:43 <noaXess> so a 64x64 should work..
Feb 15 16:58:48 <haeffb> hey Bmyers
Feb 15 16:59:04 <haeffb> trying to get the realty website ready to go live
Feb 15 16:59:09 <jbjoerk> 24x24
Feb 15 16:59:59 <Rick_work> noaXess  you need TWO icons.  a 64x64 and a 32x32
Feb 15 17:00:15 <Rick_work> if you're doing notifications you also need the 24 but only if you're doing notifications.
Feb 15 17:00:17 <noaXess> okay
Feb 15 17:00:22 <VincentLaw> I tohught the smaller one was 48x48
Feb 15 17:00:31 <noaXess> ??
Feb 15 17:01:13 <VincentLaw> the one they ask for during app submission was 64x64 and 48x48 :/
Feb 15 17:01:18 <jbjoerk> noaXess, you specify in your appinfo.json icon, smallicon, and miniicon (where the last one is optional)
Feb 15 17:11:22 <Rick_work> oh crud puppies you're right vincent 48 x 48
Feb 15 17:11:41 <Rick_work> my bad.  They changed that a while back.  the 48 is only for the app catalog, but you have to have it to submit.
Feb 15 17:11:43 <Rick_work> :-(
Feb 15 17:26:03 <surgex> hi
Feb 15 17:26:14 <lyht> hi surgex
Feb 15 17:26:17 <Rick_work> hi
Feb 15 17:26:28 <surgex> i am thinking of getting the preplus from verizon
Feb 15 17:26:34 <surgex> but i have a ton of questions :|
Feb 15 17:26:50 <Rick_work> fire away.
Feb 15 17:26:50 <surgex> that i cant find answers to w/ google or vzw sales
Feb 15 17:26:56 <surgex> ms exchange support?
Feb 15 17:27:31 <CTLAdvance> bing it...
Feb 15 17:27:32 <Rick_work> built into webos
Feb 15 17:27:36 <CTLAdvance> yes it has eos support
Feb 15 17:27:36 <surgex> yay
Feb 15 17:27:44 <surgex> video recording on the plus?
Feb 15 17:27:48 <surgex> some say it doesnt some say it does
Feb 15 17:27:52 <CTLAdvance> Not yet
Feb 15 17:27:56 <CTLAdvance> 1.4 should give it
Feb 15 17:27:59 <surgex> oh kay
Feb 15 17:28:01 <Rick_work> as soon as  1.4 comes out, possibly as early as next week
Feb 15 17:28:04 <surgex> what about mass storage mode
Feb 15 17:28:09 <Rick_work> what about it?
Feb 15 17:28:16 <surgex> :P does it work?
Feb 15 17:28:27 <VincentLaw> Rick_work: I'm just glad I was right cause if you were right that meant I submitted my app incorrectly :p
Feb 15 17:28:30 <CTLAdvance> The pre plus does everything the pre does just with 8 gigs more and vzw network
Feb 15 17:28:37 <sugardave> YOU MEAN 1.4 IS NOT OUT TODAY?!?!?!
Feb 15 17:28:41 <CTLAdvance> maybe more ram....
Feb 15 17:28:43 <VincentLaw> CTLAdvance: and 256 more ram
Feb 15 17:28:45 <surgex> so can i plug the pre plus into a usb host
Feb 15 17:28:51 <surgex> and have it identify itself as a mass storage device
Feb 15 17:28:54 <Rick_work> I have no idea  what you're asking, but if you put your pre into usb mode it acts like a flash drive.
Feb 15 17:28:57 <VincentLaw> and a non-homebrewed mobile hotspot :p
Feb 15 17:29:00 <surgex> awesome
Feb 15 17:29:02 <surgex> yes
Feb 15 17:29:11 <surgex> what else..
Feb 15 17:29:14 <surgex> no sd card slot right?
Feb 15 17:29:18 <VincentLaw> no card slots
Feb 15 17:29:22 <Rick_work> surgex  you -can't- have done much googling....  all this is stock faq stuff.
Feb 15 17:29:27 <surgex> what about .avi support
Feb 15 17:29:30 <surgex> or xvid codec
Feb 15 17:29:33 <surgex> ogg flac, etc
Feb 15 17:29:34 <VincentLaw> this is all on the wikipedia page really >.>
Feb 15 17:29:38 <surgex> LOL
Feb 15 17:29:39 <CTLAdvance> Surgex... bing Palm Pre... ugh these are noob questions ;)
Feb 15 17:29:53 <VincentLaw> bing? BING?
Feb 15 17:29:58 <VincentLaw> BLASPHEMER
Feb 15 17:30:02 <Rick_work> surgex  www.webos-internals.org -- and www.webos101.com
Feb 15 17:30:06 <lyht> surgex: no extended codecs
Feb 15 17:30:08 <sugardave> surgex: also ##preirc is more for users
Feb 15 17:30:11 <Rick_work> the two DEFINITIVE wiki's for webos stuff.
Feb 15 17:30:19 <surgex> extended codecs?
Feb 15 17:30:22 <surgex> so only mp4
Feb 15 17:30:23 <Rick_work> lyht  extended codecs available via homebrew.
Feb 15 17:30:24 <surgex> meh
Feb 15 17:30:28 <surgex> oh yeah?
Feb 15 17:30:30 <surgex> awesome
Feb 15 17:30:31 <Rick_work> oh yeah
Feb 15 17:30:38 <VincentLaw> at least, it's coming.
Feb 15 17:30:47 <lyht> Rick_work: I did not know that. Cooleo.
Feb 15 17:30:49 <Rick_work> zsoc has flac and others working.
Feb 15 17:30:52 <surgex> see
Feb 15 17:30:57 <surgex> :)
Feb 15 17:31:01 <surgex> tv out?
Feb 15 17:31:03 <Rick_work> nope
Feb 15 17:31:06 <VincentLaw> zsoc needs to package it for preware IMO :p
Feb 15 17:31:14 <lyht> surgex: dont listen to them... ask all the noob questions you want.
Feb 15 17:31:15 <Rick_work> VincentLaw  not quite ready
Feb 15 17:31:16 <sugardave> Rick_work: sorry no notes, we've come done to my mother-in-law's house after her pacemaker implant
Feb 15 17:31:20 <surgex> lol
Feb 15 17:31:23 <surgex> ty lyht
Feb 15 17:31:24 <sugardave> s/done/down
Feb 15 17:31:29 <Rick_work> sugardave  sokay
Feb 15 17:31:44 <VincentLaw> the pre has little to nothing as far as accessories when it comes to hardware
Feb 15 17:31:46 <surgex> wifi \ usb \ bluetooth tethering without paying tether fee?
Feb 15 17:31:50 <VincentLaw> all the openness comes from the software platform
Feb 15 17:32:02 <Rick_work> surgex yes but ...
Feb 15 17:32:08 <pacemkr> has anyone gotten the mobile hotspot on verizon phones to work without having to pay verizon $50/mo for nothing?
Feb 15 17:32:12 <lyht> surgex: you will pay a tethering fee on verizon...
Feb 15 17:32:12 <pacemkr> just curious
Feb 15 17:32:17 <surgex> that sucks
Feb 15 17:32:23 <surgex> no way around that?
Feb 15 17:32:31 <sugardave> of course there is
Feb 15 17:32:33 <VincentLaw> yes but you're violating your contract essentially
Feb 15 17:32:37 <surgex> lol
Feb 15 17:32:44 <surgex> well ive beenusing windows mobile wifi router for years on verizon
Feb 15 17:32:48 <surgex> without paying a tether fee
Feb 15 17:32:52 <surgex> so i guess im a violator
Feb 15 17:33:10 <Rick_work> there are ways around it.  We're not going to discuss them in a channel started by a palm employee and publicly logged.
Feb 15 17:33:11 <pacemkr> id rather violate their contract then have them violate my a**
Feb 15 17:33:16 <surgex> ah
Feb 15 17:33:19 <Rick_work> Do some searches on precentral.net
Feb 15 17:33:25 <surgex> i did not know that
Feb 15 17:33:27 <VincentLaw> what that boils down to is don't come crying to us when your carrier disconnects you :p
Feb 15 17:33:29 <surgex> thanks
Feb 15 17:33:47 <surgex> no flash support in browser right
Feb 15 17:33:50 <surgex> or flash lite?
Feb 15 17:33:52 <sugardave> not yet
Feb 15 17:33:53 <sugardave> soon
Feb 15 17:33:53 <VincentLaw> not /yet/
Feb 15 17:33:57 <Rick_work> flash support within 3 weeks
Feb 15 17:33:57 <CTLAdvance> coming in 1.4
Feb 15 17:34:02 <Rick_work> full flash 10
Feb 15 17:34:02 <surgex> great
Feb 15 17:34:04 <surgex> thanks
Feb 15 17:34:06 <CTLAdvance> yeah shortly after 1.4
Feb 15 17:34:13 <VincentLaw> Rick_work: 3 weeks? putting money down on that date? :p
Feb 15 17:34:17 <Rick_work> and adobe announced air support as well at the mobile conference in barcelona
Feb 15 17:34:18 <surgex> LOL
Feb 15 17:34:23 <surgex> yeah adobe have pushed back that date so many times
Feb 15 17:34:25 <surgex> for symbian, wm, etc
Feb 15 17:34:29 <surgex> i think its 5 times now
Feb 15 17:34:44 <Rick_work> VincentLaw  I have a bright shiny new nickle here for you
Feb 15 17:34:50 <pacemkr> any love for pixi users as far as flash?
Feb 15 17:35:03 <sugardave> that and another $5 will gert you almost a fancy coffee
Feb 15 17:35:05 <surgex> how ould you guys rate the keyboard on the pre?
Feb 15 17:35:07 <sugardave> get, too
Feb 15 17:35:07 <surgex> i kind of like it
Feb 15 17:35:08 <sugardave> jeez
Feb 15 17:35:11 <surgex> but i heard alot of people dont
Feb 15 17:35:15 <Rick_work> pacemkr  as soon as palm manages to work the bugs out of the SDL drivers for the qualcomm chip
Feb 15 17:35:18 <VincentLaw> Rick_work: A nickel it is :p
Feb 15 17:35:37 <Rick_work> i like it
Feb 15 17:35:53 <pacemkr> i have the pixi plus, i love the keyboard
Feb 15 17:36:00 <surgex> great
Feb 15 17:36:29 <lyht> surgex: I am quite happy with the keyboard on my pre. Works great for me.
Feb 15 17:36:36 <surgex> i dont think i have any other questions...
Feb 15 17:36:41 <surgex> im gonna miss slingbox support
Feb 15 17:36:42 <surgex> but oh well
Feb 15 17:36:51 <surgex> think im gonna pick one up today
Feb 15 17:36:54 <lyht> I am sure it will come.
Feb 15 17:36:56 <surgex> they are already out on vzw right?
Feb 15 17:37:00 <lyht> yes
Feb 15 17:37:02 <surgex> great
Feb 15 17:37:04 <surgex> thanks everyone
Feb 15 17:37:07 <lyht> n.p.
Feb 15 17:37:23 <Rick_work> slingbox flash client again as soon as flash ships
Feb 15 17:37:39 <surgex> i really like the OS
Feb 15 17:37:44 <surgex> and the way the cards and notifications work
Feb 15 17:37:51 <surgex> so much better than anyone else has to offer
Feb 15 17:38:08 <surgex> ohh one more thing
Feb 15 17:38:09 <VincentLaw> never understood the point of slingbox. my upload speed is nowhere near fast enough to produce good looking video anyway :/
Feb 15 17:38:19 <surgex> :P i have 30mbps uploads
Feb 15 17:38:22 <surgex> verizon fios internet
Feb 15 17:38:23 <surgex> hehe
Feb 15 17:38:28 <pacemkr> jebus...
Feb 15 17:38:31 <pacemkr> thats fast
Feb 15 17:38:38 <surgex> one more question about pre
Feb 15 17:38:44 <surgex> good navigation \ gps apps?
Feb 15 17:39:15 <lyht> Haven't used verizons... so couldn't say. But I mostly just use google maps anyway.
Feb 15 17:39:19 <sugardave> okay, ready to unleash my creative attempt...what do y'all think of www.gomlsoftware.com ?
Feb 15 17:39:21 <surgex> verizons sucks
Feb 15 17:39:29 <surgex> i will never use their programs
Feb 15 17:39:31 <surgex> on any device
Feb 15 17:39:43 <sugardave> surgex: the only gps app I have used so far is the sprint one
Feb 15 17:39:47 <surgex> ah
Feb 15 17:39:55 <surgex> wonder if theres tomtom\etc
Feb 15 17:40:00 <lyht> Sprints navigation app is quite good. But I am not aware of any other turn-by-turn app that actually talks to you like it does
Feb 15 17:40:24 <Rick_work> tomtom not yet.
Feb 15 17:40:26 <sugardave> btw, my theme will not show if you are using IE
Feb 15 17:40:28 <Rick_work> pdk not released yet
Feb 15 17:40:29 <lyht> surgex: yah, the sprint app is basically just like tomtom.
Feb 15 17:40:32 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Feb 15 17:40:34 <sugardave> it's just Drupal's default
Feb 15 17:41:29 <sugardave> verizon is also dumb...I mean, who puts FIOS in Baytown, TX but not Austin?  Baytown?  Really?
Feb 15 17:41:38 <surgex> yep
Feb 15 17:41:44 <surgex> they deploy fios in weird areas
Feb 15 17:41:48 <surgex> i dont get it
Feb 15 17:42:07 <LoneStar99> what would i replace the following to "mousedown" "mousemove" "mouseup" to work with mojo?
Feb 15 17:42:25 <VincentLaw> you don't /have/ to replace them at all
Feb 15 17:42:28 <Rick_work> at&t fios is TWO BLOCKS from my house.   ARRRGGHH
Feb 15 17:42:42 <VincentLaw> FIOS used to be a lot cheaper than it is now, didn't it?
Feb 15 17:42:46 <surgex> two blocks
Feb 15 17:42:53 <VincentLaw> I looked at the pricing and was surprised, it wasn't that good as I remembered
Feb 15 17:42:54 <Rick_work> those work fine LoneStar99
Feb 15 17:42:55 <surgex> thats short enough to build a cantenna
Feb 15 17:42:59 <surgex> and use aircrackng
Feb 15 17:43:00 <surgex> :P
Feb 15 17:43:00 <LoneStar99> they work, but - one has some glitches
Feb 15 17:43:16 <surgex> fios pricing is pwnage now
Feb 15 17:43:19 <surgex> they have the tripple play
Feb 15 17:43:27 <surgex> vzw wireless, fios tv, and fios internet
Feb 15 17:43:29 <surgex> all bundled
Feb 15 17:43:29 <sugardave> mousedown + mouseup = Mojo.Event.tap
Feb 15 17:43:38 <sugardave> you're not going to be able to do mousemove, I think
Feb 15 17:43:38 <VincentLaw> but I wouldn't want verizon wireless nor the TV
Feb 15 17:43:47 <surgex> well then ur fuct :P
Feb 15 17:43:47 <sugardave> we can't detect where the finger is when it's not touching the screen
Feb 15 17:43:47 <Rick_work> LoneStar99  the alternative is the mojo drag  but it only pays attention if you drag outside the os's dragradius
Feb 15 17:43:52 <LoneStar99> what the following: "if(window.addEventListener) { window.addEventListener('load', function () {}"
Feb 15 17:44:51 <sugardave> LoneStar99: all that is doing is checking for the existence of addEventListener method, then attaching a listener to onload
Feb 15 17:45:00 <sugardave> so...that's 'activate'
Feb 15 17:45:29 <LoneStar99> "onload" = "activate" ?
Feb 15 17:45:43 <sugardave> close enough, yeah?
Feb 15 17:45:47 <sugardave> a page is loaded
Feb 15 17:45:51 <sugardave> but a scene is activated
Feb 15 17:46:32 <pacemkr> LoneStar99: you should really read the getting started guide: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1758&Itemid=20
Feb 15 17:47:11 <pacemkr> LoneStar99: since listening for onload is really not the pattern when developing webos apps
Feb 15 17:48:35 <pacemkr> sugardave: i think thats common code to test if the browser is IE or something else _i think_ and since we know the browser thats just the wrong pattern
Feb 15 17:51:14 <Bmyers> sugardave loves IE
Feb 15 17:53:32 <lyht> anyone wanna install the beta of switcharoo? http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.orbsix.app.switcharoobeta and the code on first run is "Startup!"
Feb 15 17:54:01 <lyht> You can give me feedback if you find any issues, through the support email in the app.
Feb 15 17:57:14 <VincentLaw> where does it get wallpapers from?
Feb 15 18:02:05 <VincentLaw> palm should put up an "expected wait time" for app submissions :/
Feb 15 18:02:19 <VincentLaw> based on calculations of how many apps they have in queue and such
Feb 15 18:09:09 <sugardave> pacemkr: yeah, I'm a total Web dev n00b...just looks like they're testing for addEventListener (which probably IS  check for ie)
Feb 15 18:09:48 <sugardave> Bmyers: IE can die in a fire...I had a page up last night: "You are using the dead weight which holds back meaningful and effective Web development."
Feb 15 18:10:05 <sugardave> but I took it down once I found the drupal modules I needed to redirect IE to a different theme
Feb 15 18:12:00 <scottb> Is pinch to zoom available to devs?
Feb 15 18:12:20 <Rick_work> yes
Feb 15 18:12:56 <scottb> Can you point me in the direction of an example / documentation? I cant seem to find it in the docs on dev.palm
Feb 15 18:13:10 <Bmyers> sugardave: even the latest greatest IE8 ?
Feb 15 18:13:40 <Bmyers> even firefox and chrome have their faults..
Feb 15 18:14:27 <Bmyers> seems like firefox every once in a while wants to calculate how long it takes to run an infinate loop.
Feb 15 18:14:58 <sugardave> Bmyers: haven't looked at 8...does it do border-image?
Feb 15 18:15:11 <pacemkr> sugardave: in drupal i used the Zen starter theme with great success to avoid IE issues
Feb 15 18:15:25 <sugardave> even with the faults of firefox, et al, they at least render what I want to show
Feb 15 18:15:26 <Bmyers> gimme a page
Feb 15 18:15:30 <sugardave> pacemkr: that's what I'm trying
Feb 15 18:15:36 <pacemkr> also in drupal you can use jQuery on the JavaScript side to get rid of most ie issues
Feb 15 18:15:54 <sugardave> Bmyers: okay, hang on a sec, got to remove the redirect
Feb 15 18:16:04 <LoneStar99> "window.addEventListener('DOMActivate', function () {"  works
Feb 15 18:16:30 <sugardave> Bmyers: www.gomlsoftware.com
Feb 15 18:17:23 <sugardave> pacemkr: my problem is that I'm using border-image and I don't want to have to go make an entirely new theme JUST for ie to see my stuff....fark 'em they can look at the default
Feb 15 18:17:32 <Bmyers> well i have it open in chrome and ie8
Feb 15 18:17:38 <VincentLaw> IE8 is still bad, especially with JS
Feb 15 18:17:40 <Bmyers> they are not the same page
Feb 15 18:17:54 <VincentLaw> it bombs on my js I used for my app, yet it works fine in firefox and chrome with no warnings/errors
Feb 15 18:17:54 <Bmyers> ie8 black background
Feb 15 18:18:11 <sugardave> Bmyers: yep, chrome should show my div backgrounds
Feb 15 18:18:15 <Bmyers> chrome purplie gay colors..
Feb 15 18:18:19 <sugardave> yeah
Feb 15 18:18:21 <Bmyers> :)
Feb 15 18:18:41 <Bmyers> gay like, "happy"
Feb 15 18:18:47 <sugardave> so, I rest my case....IE blows
Feb 15 18:19:05 <Bmyers> could be some default setting tho
Feb 15 18:19:07 <Bmyers> i dunnp
Feb 15 18:19:10 <Bmyers> i dunno..
Feb 15 18:19:15 <Bmyers> ie does stuff like that
Feb 15 18:19:25 <VincentLaw> for instance, IE8 gives me an error "Object doesn't support this property or method", and refers to this line: 	 bet = 0;
Feb 15 18:19:37 <VincentLaw> Apparently IE can't handle a variable
Feb 15 18:19:40 <sugardave> haha
Feb 15 18:19:46 <sugardave> = undefined
Feb 15 18:19:58 <lyht> VincentLaw: It gets it's wallpapers from a server we set up where we house all the wallpapers we have picked and optimized for it.
Feb 15 18:20:16 <VincentLaw> lyht: ah so it doesn't rotate my wallpapers
Feb 15 18:20:43 <lyht> Not yours... still waiting on access to the MediaDB for that
Feb 15 18:20:59 <Bmyers> you know what sucks is inspector
Feb 15 18:21:08 <Bmyers> doesnt do multistage app
Feb 15 18:21:16 <sugardave> that does suck
Feb 15 18:21:44 <VincentLaw> no, what sucks about inspector is how it will break on the emulator after about 3 reloads
Feb 15 18:21:53 <VincentLaw> and you have to restart the emulator to fix it
Feb 15 18:21:53 <Bmyers> what do you do? un-multi-stage the app for the purposes of inspector?
Feb 15 18:22:06 <Rick_work> scottb  there's no example in the docs.
Feb 15 18:22:16 <lyht> Although that wait seems to be never ending... We are talking about making it so people can have their own account on our server where they could upload their images. So even though they wouldn't be on the phone, it would be images people picked and had full controll over.
Feb 15 18:22:18 <sugardave> Bmyers: yeah, you have to add back in a stage-assistant and kludge it to launch
Feb 15 18:22:21 <Rick_work> but it isn't a PRIVATE api, you can use it it just undocumented.
Feb 15 18:23:00 <Rick_work> pull up webview_widget.js and look for gesturestart gesturechange and gestureend
Feb 15 18:23:04 <Bmyers> really? I use my stage-assistant even tho i have app-assistant
Feb 15 18:23:26 <Rick_work> you absolutely can listen for those and capture and use pinch and spread gestures.
Feb 15 18:23:28 <sugardave> Bmyers: ah, I used haeffb's example....createStageWithCallback and no stagte-assistant
Feb 15 18:23:52 <LoneStar99> sugardave: the site also looks black with opera
Feb 15 18:24:10 <sugardave> LoneStar99: not opera beta
Feb 15 18:24:17 <VincentLaw> lyht: couldn't you use the photo picker and have it copy those picked images into the app's db?
Feb 15 18:24:58 <lyht> VincentLaw: yes. Started down that path... but it ends up being tedious if you have a bunch of images you want to include
Feb 15 18:25:00 <Bmyers> well then he gave it to you too early cause I think i gave him mine..
Feb 15 18:25:45 <haeffb> you can do with or without stage-assistant. I don't use one.
Feb 15 18:26:04 <Bmyers> its kinda handy
Feb 15 18:26:14 <Bmyers> but it doesnt seem to let me run inspector even still
Feb 15 18:27:46 <pacemkr> VincentLaw: the inspector drove me nuts, I switched to Komodo editor with the webOS plugin and that works for me with no reload problems at all
Feb 15 18:28:03 <pacemkr> as in you can reload as many times as you want
Feb 15 18:28:05 <VincentLaw> still does it for me even with komodo using the inspector
Feb 15 18:28:06 <Bmyers> yeah i use komodo
Feb 15 18:28:17 <VincentLaw> after a while the inspector just stops talking to the emulator
Feb 15 18:28:29 <Bmyers> but i am trying to see how the page is rendered
Feb 15 18:28:52 <pacemkr> thats odd, happens to me every time in eclipse, unless i kill the previos debug session, in komodo its fine
Feb 15 18:29:06 <haeffb> to run inspector, you have to remove noWindow: true and launch a stage in stage-assistant
Feb 15 18:29:24 <haeffb> and comment out your app-assistant handleLaunch
Feb 15 18:29:49 <Bmyers> pita
Feb 15 18:30:02 <haeffb> true dat
Feb 15 18:30:36 <Bmyers> push first-scene in stage assistant you mean?
Feb 15 18:30:41 <sugardave> LoneStar99: check it now?  It works with Opera beta
Feb 15 18:31:57 <haeffb> is there an Aptana php editor?
Feb 15 18:32:01 <sugardave> yes
Feb 15 18:32:10 <haeffb> or php editor to run in eclipse?
Feb 15 18:32:12 <pacemkr> sugardave: http://browsershots.org/
Feb 15 18:32:27 <haeffb> Bmyers: yes
Feb 15 18:32:36 <LoneStar99> sugardave: u using 10.50Beta? using 10.10 and still looks black
Feb 15 18:32:46 <sugardave> pacemkr: neat-o, thanks
Feb 15 18:32:53 <sugardave> LoneStar99: yes
Feb 15 18:32:58 <pacemkr> haeffb: both infinitely worse than netbeans ide for php
Feb 15 18:33:01 <pacemkr> also free
Feb 15 18:33:21 <pacemkr> ive used eclipse for months with php it was a pain
Feb 15 18:33:33 <sugardave> I just put an editor in it last week
Feb 15 18:33:35 <pacemkr> switched to netbeans and that "just works"
Feb 15 18:33:36 <haeffb> but I'm already using eclipse/aptana and just need to be able to quickly view/edit a .php file
Feb 15 18:33:51 <LoneStar99> i use komodo for php, and eclipse for webos dev.
Feb 15 18:33:53 <pacemkr> ah then PDT is the way to go probable
Feb 15 18:33:55 <pacemkr> probably
Feb 15 18:34:11 <swisstomcat> heya
Feb 15 18:34:24 <LoneStar99> hello swisstomcat
Feb 15 18:34:48 <VincentLaw> ah so that IE error? apparently IE makes every ID in your HTML bound as an object globally in JS. *facepalm*
Feb 15 18:35:05 <VincentLaw> so if you have an id and a global var with the same name, bam, error >.>
Feb 15 18:35:29 <haeffb> .= in PHP is ????
Feb 15 18:35:36 <pacemkr> concat two things
Feb 15 18:35:41 <VincentLaw> . is concat
Feb 15 18:35:46 <pacemkr> string .= "more string"
Feb 15 18:35:47 <VincentLaw> like + in javascript with strings
Feb 15 18:35:57 <swisstomcat> yeah
Feb 15 18:36:01 <haeffb> cool, thx
Feb 15 18:36:14 <pacemkr> the dot for strings is probably the ONLY elegant part about php lol
Feb 15 18:36:54 <swisstomcat> ask if you have php questions .. my backend stuff is all in php
Feb 15 18:37:00 <pacemkr> same here
Feb 15 18:38:16 <swisstomcat> what do you do in the backend?
Feb 15 18:38:22 <scottb> Oi, css zoom doesn't seem to work on the pre =/
Feb 15 18:39:59 <pacemkr> swisstomcat: not on webos, have used drupal for years on other projects
Feb 15 18:40:06 <swisstomcat> ah, i see
Feb 15 18:40:13 <Rick_work> scottb  it is rumored that css zoom and css transitions and translations work far better in 1.4
Feb 15 18:40:14 <swisstomcat> i'm doing some app metrics
Feb 15 18:40:23 <pacemkr> in webos?
Feb 15 18:40:26 <swisstomcat> yeah
Feb 15 18:40:36 <pacemkr> profiling you mean?
Feb 15 18:40:56 <swisstomcat> profiling and metrics are planned .. e.g who turns on/off which features
Feb 15 18:41:07 <pacemkr> ooh
Feb 15 18:41:22 <scottb> Rick_work: Needing css zoom or equivalent from 1.2 up
Feb 15 18:41:36 <pacemkr> so your app contacts the metrics server or something like that?
Feb 15 18:41:44 <swisstomcat> correct
Feb 15 18:41:50 <scottb> Tried *{zoom:0.5 !important} and nothing seems to have been effected
Feb 15 18:41:54 <pacemkr> great idea
Feb 15 18:42:05 <swisstomcat> that way i can see if certain features are turned off and not needed
Feb 15 18:42:07 <Rick_work> not supported at all prior to 1.5
Feb 15 18:42:10 <Rick_work> 1.4
Feb 15 18:42:16 <pacemkr> as long as you dont store the "who" =P
Feb 15 18:42:16 <scottb> =/
Feb 15 18:42:31 <swisstomcat> yeah, i don't care who .. just how many
Feb 15 18:42:37 <pacemkr> yp yp
Feb 15 18:42:46 <scottb> Zoom is standard css. Weird that they dont support it.
Feb 15 18:44:02 <pacemkr> just curious why would you need zoom
Feb 15 18:44:04 <pacemkr> ive never used that
Feb 15 18:44:24 <scottb> I want to be able to zoom in and out on a gameboard that is larger than the screen.
Feb 15 18:44:29 <scottb> -webkit-transform: scale(0.5 works :D);
Feb 15 18:44:30 <pacemkr> aaa
Feb 15 18:44:38 <scottb> *-webkit-transform: scale(0.5);  works :D
Feb 15 18:45:16 <haeffb> sugardave: turns out I don't need to modify the php. In fact, I shouldn't modify the php.
Feb 15 18:45:44 <CTLAdvance> scottb, I think zoom is depricated now
Feb 15 18:45:51 <CTLAdvance> except for in IE land
Feb 15 18:46:58 <scottb> Hmm, I'll have to find out
Feb 15 18:49:26 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I think Zoom is IE only
Feb 15 18:49:38 <CTLAdvance> maybe not depricated but IE only actually
Feb 15 18:51:26 <sugardave> haeffb: which php are you messing with?
Feb 15 18:52:03 <haeffb> I'm not anymore. http://www.open-realty.org is the CMS I'm using for http://haeffb.com
Feb 15 18:52:46 <haeffb> And I was looking at modifying the PHP to customize some things. But I'm better off not touching the PHP, or I'd have to redo it every time they put out a new version.
Feb 15 18:54:58 <CTLAdvance> What is everyone here using for tethering?
Feb 15 18:54:59 <sugardave> haeffb: your CMS sounds painful: "I will blow my brains out"
Feb 15 18:55:25 <swisstomcat> ctladvance: just the built-in bluetooth pan
Feb 15 18:55:30 <sugardave> CTLAdvance: never tethered
Feb 15 18:56:24 <haeffb> sugardave: some people need to have their brains blown out once in a while. Gets dusty in there.
Feb 15 19:05:23 <Bmyers> in inspector, should it change the rendered page when you remove a checkmark next to a css element (in the right hand side screen) or otherwise change the css element?
Feb 15 19:09:06 <sugardave> Bmyers: now you're just talking crazy
Feb 15 19:09:37 <haeffb> Bmyers: I think it should.
Feb 15 19:10:42 <Bmyers> sugardave: you know in inspector where you can change css elements?
Feb 15 19:16:28 <sugardave> Bmyers: yeah, but I didn't try it...figured it wasn't working :O
Feb 15 19:21:12 <rolsworth> j
Feb 15 20:10:36 <JenP> hi all
Feb 15 20:10:54 <swisstomcat> hey
Feb 15 20:11:08 <haeffb> jenp
Feb 15 20:11:14 <kmudrick> hi
Feb 15 20:11:17 <JenP> hi guys!
Feb 15 20:15:35 <SqyArc> Doesn't matter how many backups I do, hitting "Full Erase" still makes me shit myself
Feb 15 20:16:34 <LoneStar99> hello JenP
Feb 15 20:16:50 <JenP> hey LoneStar99
Feb 15 20:17:43 <Mousey> ^_^
Feb 15 20:18:24 <Yatharth> hi everyone
Feb 15 20:18:54 <Yatharth> can anybody tell me how to implement the foreign key constraint
Feb 15 20:19:13 <MetaView> hi
Feb 15 20:19:20 <swisstomcat> hallo metaview
Feb 15 20:19:31 <MetaView> grüzi
Feb 15 20:23:42 <pandora--> so i guess the update to 1.4 for today was bogus?
Feb 15 20:24:03 <swisstomcat> yeah
Feb 15 20:25:58 <pandora--> lames
Feb 15 20:26:52 <swisstomcat> it needs some time still
Feb 15 20:27:44 <swisstomcat> before it's ready
Feb 15 20:31:35 <LoneStar99> anyone here messed with a canvas for webos?
Feb 15 20:31:41 <swisstomcat> yeah
Feb 15 20:32:01 <swisstomcat> hey codeslaw
Feb 15 20:32:09 <rolsworth> so no 1.4 today confirmed? the only thing i want to see is flash
Feb 15 20:32:09 <swisstomcat> thought you vanished from the earth :)
Feb 15 20:32:26 <codeslaw_> hey swisstomcat
Feb 15 20:32:44 <codeslaw_> i practically did =P been searching for a house to buy for the past week, non stop
Feb 15 20:32:49 <LoneStar99> hi codeslaw_
Feb 15 20:32:52 <codeslaw_> my brain hurts
Feb 15 20:33:09 <swisstomcat> found any?
Feb 15 20:33:19 <codeslaw_> a couple that didn't work out =(
Feb 15 20:33:34 <codeslaw_> couple more i'm looking into
Feb 15 20:33:57 <codeslaw_> still working on those icons for you though, don't worry =D
Feb 15 20:34:10 <codeslaw_> sup LoneStar99
Feb 15 20:34:14 <swisstomcat> :)
Feb 15 20:34:16 <LoneStar99> codeslaw_:  you work on canvas right?
Feb 15 20:34:20 <codeslaw_> yez
Feb 15 20:34:34 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: hope you like the translation
Feb 15 20:34:44 <swisstomcat> what are you trying to do, lonestar99?
Feb 15 20:35:43 <codeslaw_> does anyone know if the drag radius ever got resolved, so that we could get immediate drag data? i.e. this thread: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3403&p=15178&hilit=drag+delay#p15178
Feb 15 20:36:12 <LoneStar99> noticed a simple drawing script is very glitchy
Feb 15 20:36:33 * MetaView hates this kind of people buying some software and later request a refund
Feb 15 20:37:14 <LoneStar99> but not sure why it would be glitchy if it is pretty simple and straight foward
Feb 15 20:37:18 <swisstomcat> why did they request a refund?
Feb 15 20:37:26 <LoneStar99> http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/html5-canvas-painting/
Feb 15 20:37:45 <rolsworth> i find it strange there is no IM client out
Feb 15 20:37:55 <rolsworth> well there is one but i hear it does not work
Feb 15 20:38:25 <MetaView> swisstomcat: no clue, it just happens over mobihand.com, I only get the notice about it
Feb 15 20:38:39 <MetaView> IM client?
Feb 15 20:38:41 <VincentLaw> that's because the pre has a rather good IM client system as it is
Feb 15 20:39:05 <MetaView> IM+ for skype, well it works but it's just a website
Feb 15 20:40:13 <codeslaw_> LoneStar99: whats the script doing, what are the glitches?
Feb 15 20:40:37 <rolsworth> the pre im client isn't good
Feb 15 20:40:43 <rolsworth> no MSn messenger?
Feb 15 20:41:19 <rolsworth> don't like the fact that all the Im clients are in my address book
Feb 15 20:41:20 <MetaView> rolsworth: hwo would you write a IM client in Mojo?
Feb 15 20:41:38 <rolsworth> i don't know. I am not a developer
Feb 15 20:41:54 <rolsworth> there is an IM client in app catalog for 10 bucks but reviews say it does not work
Feb 15 20:41:58 <LoneStar99> on the browser, you can draw 1.) really small circles and the "emulator" device you can not,  2.) try to draw really quickly and it takes seconds to update the drawing
Feb 15 20:42:32 <rolsworth> trillian is said to be making a client. don't know what happened to it
Feb 15 20:42:44 <VincentLaw> I never heard of trillian making a client for the pre
Feb 15 20:42:50 <VincentLaw> they made one for the iphone, that's it
Feb 15 20:43:17 <MetaView> atm you only can have something based on a 3rd party server or with homebrew
Feb 15 20:43:34 <VincentLaw> any mojo-based IM client would need a server to talk to to translate everything to ajax calls
Feb 15 20:43:37 <MetaView> you might use IM+ on Palm OS in Classic :D
Feb 15 20:43:39 <rolsworth> i think it was another developer
Feb 15 20:43:43 <rolsworth> cannot remember the name
Feb 15 20:44:04 <VincentLaw> I doubt trillian would be happy about someone making a client using their services and name without their approval >.>
Feb 15 20:44:50 <MetaView> call it FordPrefect
Feb 15 20:45:04 <rolsworth> I made a mistake. i cannot remember the name of the client
Feb 15 20:45:36 <rolsworth> agilemobile
Feb 15 20:45:53 <rolsworth> http://www.agilemobile.com/palmpre.php
Feb 15 20:46:56 <rolsworth> i don't like the pre messenger client. hardly ever used it and one of the reason i didn't get one for the wife. She would hate it since she uses MSN a lot
Feb 15 20:48:16 <VincentLaw> I hate MSN
Feb 15 20:48:29 <VincentLaw> so I like the pre messenger client because it's forcing me to move away from msn >.>
Feb 15 20:48:40 <rolsworth> everyone i know use msn
Feb 15 20:48:55 <VincentLaw> whoever thought at microsoft it would be a good idea to enforce one login at a time was an idiot
Feb 15 20:49:16 <VincentLaw> also, whoever wrote the file transfer system of MSN is also an idiot
Feb 15 20:49:19 <rolsworth> messenger on the pc can log in at more than one location
Feb 15 20:49:31 <VincentLaw> yes, the latest ones, and only the ones from microsoft.
Feb 15 20:49:46 <VincentLaw> god forbid you want to use trillian or adium or digsby or pidgin or anything else
Feb 15 20:49:52 <rolsworth> i don't like it though
Feb 15 20:50:17 <rolsworth> i could be using the phone and signed in on the pc. messages showing up at both locations. not good to me
Feb 15 20:50:27 <VincentLaw> that's EXACTLY why I /do/ want it
Feb 15 20:50:39 <VincentLaw> I don't want my messages to suddenly not appear because I'm logged in on my phone
Feb 15 20:51:03 <VincentLaw> besides, there's also away message filtering. aim does it well. if you're away, it routes the messages only to those that aren't away
Feb 15 20:51:10 <VincentLaw> if everything's away, it routes to every client
Feb 15 20:54:24 <SqyArc_desktop> "We were unable to restore your Palm Profile data."
Feb 15 20:54:31 <SqyArc_desktop> panic time!
Feb 15 20:54:36 <swisstomcat> ouch
Feb 15 20:55:00 <SqyArc_desktop> Hopefully it's only because so many people are pinging the update servers
Feb 15 20:56:12 <MetaView> swisstomcat: wanna play beta-tester?
Feb 15 20:56:18 <swisstomcat> sure
Feb 15 21:06:42 <rolsworth> what is up with people trying to sell these ridiculous apps like amazing butts, asian hotties etc
Feb 15 21:06:51 <swisstomcat> yeah
Feb 15 21:06:58 <swisstomcat> let's just hope no one buys them
Feb 15 21:06:58 <MetaView> hm, sex sells?
Feb 15 21:07:23 <rolsworth> you can google some better pics and transfer to the phone
Feb 15 21:07:31 <swisstomcat> 155 downloads for amazing butts
Feb 15 21:08:02 <rolsworth> is that good?
Feb 15 21:08:34 <swisstomcat> 155x0.99
Feb 15 21:08:35 <CTLAdvance> rolsworth - thats why I came out with bing wallpaper search
Feb 15 21:08:38 <CTLAdvance> got sick of stupid .99 cent apps that only have a few pictures that the devs dont even own
Feb 15 21:08:56 <MetaView> 155 is more than I have :(
Feb 15 21:09:08 <swisstomcat> see, you need a butt app too
Feb 15 21:09:08 <MetaView> but I don't sell nudes, well
Feb 15 21:09:28 <CTLAdvance> Just add, hot and or sexy to your pap title and you will sell them
Feb 15 21:09:30 <CTLAdvance> sexy 411
Feb 15 21:09:30 <MetaView> I'm going to make a picture of my butt tomorrow :p
Feb 15 21:09:34 <CTLAdvance> hot mess paint app
Feb 15 21:09:36 <CTLAdvance> etc etc
Feb 15 21:09:39 <rolsworth> i can assume it is really simple to make one of those picture apps
Feb 15 21:09:41 <CTLAdvance> sexy farts
Feb 15 21:09:45 <swisstomcat> not sure if that will sell well, metaview :P
Feb 15 21:09:55 <CTLAdvance> the ones that have them built in yes
Feb 15 21:09:57 <rolsworth> ebony hotties
Feb 15 21:10:21 <rolsworth> is it legal to sell pics they don't own though
Feb 15 21:10:23 <swisstomcat> 155x0.99/100*70-50 .. profit?
Feb 15 21:10:26 <CTLAdvance> no
Feb 15 21:10:39 <CTLAdvance> it is not legal however the owner would need to stop them from doing it
Feb 15 21:10:45 <CTLAdvance> and most likely they dont have a clue
Feb 15 21:11:21 <swisstomcat> $50 dollars profit
Feb 15 21:11:47 <swisstomcat> for an app that you can throw together in ares
Feb 15 21:11:49 <rolsworth> well it probably didn't take much to make in the first place
Feb 15 21:12:15 <haeffb> @open source = $100 profit
Feb 15 21:12:17 <CTLAdvance> I should just open source some tidbits of code
Feb 15 21:12:24 <CTLAdvance> and we all should submit the apps in a flood
Feb 15 21:12:29 <CTLAdvance> of wallpaper apps
Feb 15 21:12:41 <haeffb> dog wallpapers
Feb 15 21:12:44 <haeffb> cat wallpapers
Feb 15 21:12:50 <haeffb> labrador wallpapers
Feb 15 21:12:59 <CTLAdvance> Hot Cars, Spicey Chilli, computer mice, mother boards, lcd panels
Feb 15 21:13:00 <haeffb> golden retriever wallpapers
Feb 15 21:13:02 <CTLAdvance> etc etc etc
Feb 15 21:13:12 <swisstomcat> profit
Feb 15 21:13:23 <CTLAdvance> goat.se wallpaper
Feb 15 21:13:34 <MetaView> find nearby "establishments"
Feb 15 21:13:35 <CTLAdvance> Tinfoil wallpaper
Feb 15 21:13:58 <MetaView> haeffb: btw, I've got my app in the catalog which uses fileMgr if installed
Feb 15 21:14:15 <CTLAdvance> do do what?
Feb 15 21:14:24 <CTLAdvance> MetaView what app is it
Feb 15 21:14:25 <MetaView> to save gpx files
Feb 15 21:14:28 <MetaView> MapTool
Feb 15 21:14:58 <CTLAdvance> Can you share the code you used to save the files
Feb 15 21:15:07 <SqyArc_desktop> I wonder when Palm will be able to preserve contact associations using the OTA backup
Feb 15 21:15:08 <CTLAdvance> using file mgr
Feb 15 21:15:23 <MetaView> CTLAdvance: you better ask Canuck
Feb 15 21:16:32 <jfelectron> SqyArc:  yeah....that would be nice...its an annoyance every time I doctor my phone
Feb 15 21:16:47 <qillerneu> all: re there any ad networks for Palm apps?
Feb 15 21:16:47 <qillerneu> *are
Feb 15 21:17:05 <swisstomcat> yeah
Feb 15 21:17:06 <swisstomcat> admob?
Feb 15 21:17:07 <jfelectron> qillerneu:  AdMob and Quattro
Feb 15 21:17:28 <jfelectron> qillerneu: AdMob has an SDK, Quattro takes a little more work
Feb 15 21:17:41 <MetaView> which one is better?
Feb 15 21:17:45 <qillerneu> don't like admod banner looks :)
Feb 15 21:17:57 <qillerneu> thanks for quattro reference, will take a look
Feb 15 21:18:13 <Rick_work> MetaView  you need to program to multiple networks or your fill rate will be horrific.
Feb 15 21:18:31 <MetaView> my fill rate is almost 1000%
Feb 15 21:18:34 <MetaView> 100%
Feb 15 21:18:41 <MetaView> with admob
Feb 15 21:18:48 <Rick_work> that makes you "unusual"
Feb 15 21:18:54 <MetaView> my CPM was better in january
Feb 15 21:19:09 <MetaView> maybe it depends on impressions?
Feb 15 21:19:53 <MetaView> what about http://www.mobclix.com/ ?
Feb 15 21:21:01 <CTLAdvance> My admob fill rate is at 50% but I am not using the new setup yet
Feb 15 21:21:17 <MetaView> how much impressions?
Feb 15 21:21:17 <CTLAdvance> on admob
Feb 15 21:21:19 <MetaView> pre day?
Feb 15 21:21:59 <CTLAdvance> around 30k right now
Feb 15 21:23:24 <MetaView> ok, I have around 10k
Feb 15 21:23:54 <CTLAdvance> Yeah mine are better in the beginning of the cycle but as the day goes on its worse
Feb 15 21:24:07 <CTLAdvance> It could be that I am checking for ads to quickly
Feb 15 21:24:19 <CTLAdvance> I will be changing that once I get the new versions ready
Feb 15 21:24:27 <MetaView> too quickly?
Feb 15 21:24:40 <MetaView> I use the js class from admob
Feb 15 21:25:03 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I have my own version going
Feb 15 21:25:09 <CTLAdvance> I wrote a while ago
Feb 15 21:25:26 <CTLAdvance> not as nice though as theirs is as I dont get the banner ads, only text at the moment
Feb 15 21:38:49 <MetaView> swisstomcat: any ideas or comments?
Feb 15 21:39:11 <swisstomcat> still playing with it
Feb 15 21:39:17 <MetaView> ok :)
Feb 15 21:40:42 <swisstomcat> the map will definitly help, metaview
Feb 15 21:41:00 <swisstomcat> or maybe categories
Feb 15 21:41:09 <swisstomcat> to group the results
Feb 15 21:44:12 <MetaView> yes, there is some type of info, I think about some icons for it too
Feb 15 21:46:28 <codeslaw_> just read some earlier comments:  Spicy Chili wallpaper -- i am sold
Feb 15 21:48:40 <SqyArc_desktop> Performed full erase -> doctored device -> update -> "new app updates!" -> only PDF Viewer listed -> *click* -> "This is not a valid WebOS Application"
Feb 15 21:48:51 <SqyArc_desktop> wtf :D
Feb 15 21:49:28 <MetaView> I'm off, good night
Feb 15 21:50:17 <swisstomcat> cu
Feb 15 21:56:03 <codeslaw_> does anyone know if they ever fixed the mouse-events not registering within the drag radius, or if they made the radius adjustable?
Feb 15 21:57:34 <codeslaw_> enda said a fix was coming back on dec 29th, but i haven't seen anything else on it
Feb 15 21:57:49 <codeslaw_> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3403
Feb 15 22:08:15 <scottb> Wasn't 1.4 coming out today?
Feb 15 22:08:32 <swisstomcat> just a rumour
Feb 15 22:08:42 <scottb> Ah
Feb 15 22:08:48 <scottb> Any one have an idea of when?
Feb 15 22:08:56 <Tibfib> Hopefully in February
Feb 15 22:09:03 <swisstomcat> i'd say end of february
Feb 15 22:15:18 <Tibfib> oh by the way, thanks for the review scottb
Feb 15 22:15:24 <swisstomcat> goodnight
Feb 15 22:15:28 <LoneStar99> gn
Feb 15 22:15:28 <scottb> Ah np :)
Feb 15 22:15:41 <Tibfib> cya swiss
Feb 15 22:15:51 <Tibfib> hah woops
Feb 15 22:17:19 <Yatharth> hey can anyone tell me is this the write method to update a record?UPDATE' Benefitiary' SET amount_required=amount_required + ?  where benefitiary_id = ?
Feb 15 22:20:24 <scottb> Any one know where mojo is on the pre's file system?
Feb 15 22:30:38 <rwhitby> drnull: ping again :-)
Feb 15 22:30:43 <jfelectron> Yatharth:  'UPDATE Benefitiary SET....WHERE ...
Feb 15 22:32:32 <drnull> rwhitby: caught me this time
Feb 15 22:33:24 <rwhitby> drnull: sweet.  I've just started using DrPodder, and was wondering if you're open to contributions?
Feb 15 22:34:30 <rwhitby> (yes, hard to believe I've only just started using it, but I had to find the right bluetooth dongle for my earphones first, and finally found one in Tokyo)
Feb 15 22:34:47 <drnull> drnull: Definitely open, yes.  In the interest of full disclosure, I was planning on selling it in the app catalog (just a buck) but keeping the exact same version on precentral.  If that doesn't change your feelings.. then sure. ;)
Feb 15 22:35:14 <drnull> cool, I'm talking to myself now
Feb 15 22:35:23 <Rick_work> drnull if you do that, be absolutely certan when you release to the catalog to use a different program id
Feb 15 22:35:46 <Rick_work> com.mydomain.drpodder and com.mydomain.appcat.drpodder or something
Feb 15 22:35:55 <rwhitby> drnull: similar arrangement in the app catalog as Spaz?  remains open source but paid in the app cat?
Feb 15 22:36:04 <drnull> Rick_work: I've learned from other's bad experiences there.  Already renamed the homebrew one to be com.drnull.drpodder-hb
Feb 15 22:36:16 <drnull> rwhitby: That's the idea, yeah.
Feb 15 22:36:17 <Rick_work> ahh  good.
Feb 15 22:36:21 <funkatron> fwiw, I think I'm just going to not charge for Spaz
Feb 15 22:36:28 <funkatron> like, at all
Feb 15 22:36:28 <rwhitby> drnull: I'm all for that.  Authors should be able to make a buck.
Feb 15 22:36:40 <Rick_work> funkatron  am I glad to see you.
Feb 15 22:36:45 <funkatron> hola 8)
Feb 15 22:36:52 <drnull> funkatron: go and blow away a successful example why don't ya?  :)
Feb 15 22:36:56 <funkatron> hahaha
Feb 15 22:37:14 <funkatron> it's nothing against the idea; I think charging for open source software is fine and good, in fact
Feb 15 22:37:16 <rwhitby> funkatron: the hot apps changes the playing field, right?
Feb 15 22:37:27 <Rick_work> funkatron  did you get an email from me?  Because I was trying to reach you with a request.
Feb 15 22:37:30 <funkatron> I just personally don't want to charge for it
Feb 15 22:37:40 <funkatron> rick, I don't know… sorry, what email address? I will search for it
Feb 15 22:37:58 <Rick_work> nevermind, I can ask you here.
Feb 15 22:37:58 <funkatron> rwhitby: I am unfamiliar with "hot apps" and generally actively try to ignore that
Feb 15 22:38:13 <funkatron> sure
Feb 15 22:38:42 <rwhitby> drnull: the feature that I'm thinking of is a preference so that you tap to go into an episode, but it doesn't start to download or play, and you have buttons on the bottom row to mark it as old and move to the next episode, so you can quickly "tick off" episodes you don't want to download or listen to
Feb 15 22:39:04 <Rick_work> I'm working on an ares book, and wondered if I could, with full credit, use the functions in Spaz to power a stripped down twitter client as the primary development app for that book.
Feb 15 22:39:06 <rwhitby> drnull: whilst the in-play buttons are not there, there is room for another button on either side of the play button
Feb 15 22:39:27 <funkatron> Rick_work: of course. use SpazCore. It's on Github
Feb 15 22:39:35 <funkatron> http://github.com/funkatron/spazcore
Feb 15 22:39:41 <drnull> rwhitby: Gotcha.  Somebody already requested a fast delete to do the same idea.  I was thinking just map it to the D key maybe?  Easier than hitting a button or choosing a menu option?
Feb 15 22:40:02 <Rick_work> funkatron  thank you.  That saves me about a month :-)
Feb 15 22:40:18 <rwhitby> drnull: I'm thinking a button on the right of the play button, which disappears (replaced by fast forward) if you hit play
Feb 15 22:40:35 <rwhitby> drnull: since I'm likely not to have the keyboard open at that point
Feb 15 22:40:40 <funkatron> Rick_work: it's one of the reasons I open-source the code: so other people will use it
Feb 15 22:40:47 <drnull> rwhitby: and the preference would be app-wide?  i.e., "Auto-play: Yes/No"?
Feb 15 22:41:00 <rwhitby> drnull: yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Feb 15 22:41:23 <Rick_work> funkatron right, well, I'll post back the Ares fork.
Feb 15 22:41:36 <funkatron> Rick_work: even better
Feb 15 22:41:42 <rwhitby> drnull: the use case for me is that I download in bulk on wifi, and listen when not connected to the network (cellular data charges are too high)
Feb 15 22:41:49 <drnull> rwhitby: I've got nothing against it, sounds like a great idea.  I could narrow down the code you'd have to look at if you'd like.  (the problem with open source code is ... it's embarassing...)
Feb 15 22:42:06 <rwhitby> drnull: so I'd update at home, click through all the episodes I don't want to download, and then download all the others.
Feb 15 22:42:33 <rwhitby> drnull: any code that works is good code.  it's up to others to clean it up if they don't like it.
Feb 15 22:42:51 <Rick_work> Now, all I have left is a name problem. Ares, the god of war, and Spaz, which evokes a seizure, and twitter, a bubbling tweet sound.   Mix them all together and you get...
Feb 15 22:42:55 <drnull> rwhitby: so maybe a "delete and next" and a "delete and prev" type functionality?
Feb 15 22:43:02 <funkatron> hahaha
Feb 15 22:43:17 <funkatron> Arspeizure
Feb 15 22:43:31 <Rick_work> naaaa   I want to call it "Marvin."
Feb 15 22:43:36 <funkatron> oh, I like that better anyway
Feb 15 22:43:46 <rwhitby> drnull: yeah.  I also was thinking about how to tell it to download all the remaining episodes after I've done that.
Feb 15 22:44:08 <rwhitby> funkatron: maybe "delete and next" and "download and next"
Feb 15 22:44:28 <drnull> rwhitby: you need coffee, I need sleep.
Feb 15 22:44:29 <funkatron> I bet that's wasn't for me
Feb 15 22:44:34 <Rick_work> and the "post" button is labeled "Earth Shattering Kaboom"
Feb 15 22:44:46 * rwhitby bbiab
Feb 15 22:45:45 <Rick_work> Saddly, no way to get permission to use the character as the program's logo. :(
Feb 15 22:47:11 <Rick_work> anyway, thanks funkatron  -- you've made my life MUCH better.
Feb 15 22:47:25 <funkatron> alas
Feb 15 22:47:46 <funkatron> Rick_work: of course. please let me know if you have any questions. I'm on Twitter and all that.
Feb 15 22:48:45 <Rick_work> understood.  Twitter rboatright -- and actually I managed to make the same name work for twitter facebook and linkedin  amazingly enough.   :)
Feb 15 22:48:58 <Rick_work> and I'm 100% certain I'll have questions.
Feb 15 22:52:59 <rwhitby> funkatron: oops, yep that was for drnull not you.
Feb 15 22:53:07 <funkatron> rwhitby: no worries 8)
Feb 15 22:53:25 <funkatron> Rick_work: please ask, yeah. I could use more outside observers
Feb 15 22:53:33 <rwhitby> drnull: I'll take a look at the code and start getting my head around it.
Feb 15 22:54:08 <drnull> rwhitby: you could just add another choice to the app menu dropdown for the episode list: download all, and/or the popup for a feed in feed list (the one that currently has "edit feed" and "clear new")
Feb 15 22:54:19 <drnull> rwhitby: those might be *really* nice to have anyway.
Feb 15 22:54:30 <rwhitby> drnull: yeah, good idea.
Feb 15 22:55:05 <rwhitby> drnull: the other thing I was thinking about was making the episode list entries touch position sensitive - e.g. touch on the name and you get the episode details, touch on the icon and you auto-play.
Feb 15 22:55:33 <drnull> rwhitby: I already get complaints that it's not obvious that the "button" on the right is "touchable".  :)
Feb 15 22:56:57 <rwhitby> drnull: now I just need to find some more people to help out on Preware :-)
Feb 15 22:57:18 <drnull> rwhitby: what are some things that need to be done, just out of curiosity?
Feb 15 22:57:46 <rwhitby> drnull: top internal item is pipelining the update and load process to reduce the startup time
Feb 15 22:58:00 <rwhitby> drnull: top external item is a mechanism for blacklisting apps or vendors
Feb 15 22:58:21 <rwhitby> (e.g. swipe on an app and get asked to blacklist app or vendor)
Feb 15 22:59:20 <rwhitby> drnull: top service item is removing cookies and app database when an app is uninstalled
Feb 15 22:59:52 <drnull> rwhitby: I think I've seen you guys talking about a tracker over in -internals, is that publicly accessible?
Feb 15 23:00:14 <rwhitby> drnull: publicly readable, and accounts available to any devs on request
Feb 15 23:00:24 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/
Feb 15 23:00:34 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/ipkgservice/
Feb 15 23:01:01 <rolsworth> 1.4 came out?
Feb 15 23:01:17 <Rick_work> 1.4 delayed at least a week
Feb 15 23:01:27 <Rick_work> bbl heading home.
Feb 15 23:03:33 <drnull> rwhitby: nice tracker system. Do you prefer to keep that webos-internals based projects only, or if I get drPodder source over there (eventually) would you be open to me using the tracking system myself?  My google document is getting scattered.
Feb 15 23:03:44 <Tibfib> I don't know if it was "delayed"... I don't think it was ever supposed to come out today
Feb 15 23:04:16 <rwhitby> drnull: you're very welcome to use git.webos-internals.org and the corresponding trac for any open source project.
Feb 15 23:04:39 <rwhitby> drnull: the Trac is really set up as a developer work-flow and planning mechanism, not as a public bug-reporting site.
Feb 15 23:04:44 <drnull> rwhitby: cool.  I'll move off of gitorious someday hopefully then.
Feb 15 23:04:57 <drnull> rwhitby: right, I wouldn't want people reporting bugs there.  Yikes.
Feb 15 23:05:12 <rwhitby> drnull: just send me an ssh key and preferred username and htpasswd entry.
Feb 15 23:05:32 <rwhitby> drnull: and I can set up a repo for you on git.webos-internals.org immediately.
Feb 15 23:06:01 <rwhitby> drnull: so what I do is monitor bug reports on the forum and stuff, and when I see something that is real, I add it to the Trac
Feb 15 23:06:26 <rwhitby> similarly for feature requests - the Trac holds those that we think are a good idea.
Feb 15 23:06:46 <drnull> rwhitby: that's a little bit better than my current method of moving things around in a document... yep.
Feb 15 23:10:45 <drnull> rwhitby: my google foo is weak tonight... I know the ssh key & username part... but htpasswd entry has me ??.
Feb 15 23:10:59 <rwhitby> drnull: htpasswd is for the tra
Feb 15 23:11:00 <rwhitby> c
Feb 15 23:11:50 <rwhitby> drnull:  "htpasswd -n drnull" on a Linux box
Feb 15 23:13:44 <drnull> rwhitby: grokked. Thanks.
Feb 15 23:32:34 <JenP> hi all
Feb 15 23:48:59 <Bmyers> hi Jenp
Feb 15 23:49:13 <JenP> hey stranger hows it going?
Feb 15 23:49:38 <Bmyers> canada womens hockey..
Feb 15 23:49:52 <JenP> cool
Feb 15 23:50:02 <Bmyers> i used to live in canada so if i dont watch it i loose my dual citizenship
Feb 15 23:50:02 <JenP> i'm watching undercover boss
Feb 15 23:50:08 <JenP> lol
Feb 15 23:50:19 <Bmyers> they know somehow..
Feb 15 23:51:01 <JenP> keep ties on you huh
Feb 15 23:51:23 <Bmyers> i have a cabin in cape breton nova scotia
Feb 15 23:51:50 <JenP> nice!
Feb 15 23:51:53 <Bmyers> they'll ask me if I have any unwatched hockey games to declare at the border.
Feb 15 23:52:48 <Bmyers> 150 acres, post and beam 1 1/2 story steel roof. wood stove..
Feb 15 23:52:53 <Bmyers> and thats about it..
Feb 15 23:53:03 <Bmyers> oh wait, a kitchen counter i made last year
Feb 15 23:53:24 <Bmyers> a box against nature..
Feb 15 23:53:32 <JenP> sounds nice
Feb 15 23:54:00 <Bmyers> it is. if it had high speed internet i'd be all over it like white on rice
Feb 16 00:09:23 <scottb> Oi!
Feb 16 00:09:34 <scottb> The debugger never seems to catch any errors =/
Feb 16 00:31:39 <pacemkr> hey everyone
Feb 16 00:31:53 <pacemkr> got a question, what are the guidelines for the application menu
Feb 16 00:32:14 <pacemkr> i dont really need it in my app, but the standard items are there, edit, prefs, and help
Feb 16 00:32:59 <pacemkr> is it safe to remove them? since i read somewhere that its a good way to get rejected in the app store review process
Feb 16 00:36:47 <kmudrick> pacemkr: i think it is safe to remove them if you have no need for them
Feb 16 00:38:05 <kmudrick> pacemkr: i got a comment from a reviewer not to have disabled options in the app menu - instead just remove them completely
Feb 16 00:38:31 <pacemkr> aha, interesting
Feb 16 00:38:35 <pacemkr> thanks
Feb 16 00:41:34 <Bmyers> did u fix your bug in debt free?
Feb 16 00:41:45 <JenP> not yet
Feb 16 00:41:57 <JenP> will after i finish this other project first
Feb 16 00:42:28 <Bmyers> ok, i'm quiet. you need to concentrate..
Feb 16 00:42:37 <JenP> lol
Feb 16 00:46:49 <qillerneu> btw, is flash supposed to be included with 1.4?
Feb 16 00:48:36 <gkatsev> qillerneu: no
Feb 16 00:48:42 <gkatsev> qillerneu: flash support will be included.
Feb 16 00:49:03 <gkatsev> qillerneu: flash itself will show up whenever adobe decided to submit it to the app catalog
Feb 16 01:07:12 <qillerneu> so, it's going to be independent of os itself?
Feb 16 01:07:38 <qillerneu> i.e. can't for example embed into an app?
Feb 16 01:08:18 <gkatsev> i dont think anyone knows yet. or they are under nda, prolly
Feb 16 01:14:46 <jfelectron> its unclear if it will be strictly a browser plugin or whether it will also be a plugin for the UI WebKit interpreter
Feb 16 01:14:59 <jfelectron> the later would be beneficial to app development for obvious reasons
Feb 16 01:15:27 <jfelectron> I can't really see why they would sandbox it in the browser only unless battery life or something is a real issue
Feb 16 01:41:08 <Bmyers> hi haeffb
Feb 16 01:41:54 <haeffb> hi Bmyers
Feb 16 01:45:00 <reality9110> hi reality
Feb 16 01:45:03 <reality9110> Oh hey there
Feb 16 01:48:33 <haeffb> hi reality9110
Feb 16 01:48:38 <reality9110> hey
Feb 16 01:49:05 <haeffb> whats up in the world of healing/music?
Feb 16 01:49:30 <reality9110> Good ad day.  That's about it
Feb 16 01:51:13 <haeffb> Myles is over 100 dl's from app catalog
Feb 16 01:53:44 <reality9110> That's good
Feb 16 01:53:49 <reality9110> Free or pay?
Feb 16 01:53:55 <haeffb> $1.23
Feb 16 01:54:09 <haeffb> I'm raking in $0.86 per dl!
Feb 16 01:54:44 <reality9110> it's a start
Feb 16 01:55:07 <haeffb> :)
Feb 16 01:57:30 <Tibfib> haeffb: nice to get a payout atleast
Feb 16 01:57:40 <haeffb> sure is.
Feb 16 01:57:54 <haeffb> I may be able to pay for that Valentine's Day dinner now... :)
Feb 16 01:58:58 <Tibfib> haha
Feb 16 01:59:17 <haeffb> gotta reboot. bbiab.
Feb 16 01:59:53 <Tibfib> Anyone here want to to test a new version of countdown?
Feb 16 02:06:18 <pacemkr> what is the standard way to provide help for the app
Feb 16 02:06:45 <pacemkr> how do i tie into palm help, the docs mention a standard help scene, where can i find that?
Feb 16 02:07:20 <haeffb> I am back!
Feb 16 02:20:48 <reality9110> haeffb: You get that image?
Feb 16 02:21:39 <haeffb> uh. what image?
Feb 16 02:22:03 <reality9110> In private message...
Feb 16 02:40:17 <LoneStar99> testing
Feb 16 02:41:32 <pandora--> ya
Feb 16 02:42:15 <LoneStar99> k, my wifi really sucks, and i do not think win7 helps
Feb 16 02:42:40 <LoneStar99> notice win7 really sucks to connect to a wifi connection
Feb 16 02:44:23 <renegaid> just saw the pre on 24
Feb 16 02:45:10 <LoneStar99> 24? the show?
Feb 16 02:45:25 <renegaid>  did 1.4 come out
Feb 16 02:45:37 <renegaid> yes the show
Feb 16 02:45:53 <Tibfib> don't think so
Feb 16 02:49:14 <renegaid> they showed off the pre in 24 then a verizon Pre commercial came on
Feb 16 02:49:22 <kmudrick> where did this rumor of 1.4 being released today get started?
Feb 16 02:49:35 <Tibfib> a "picture" of a sprint inventory screen
Feb 16 02:50:10 <kmudrick> hmm
Feb 16 02:50:27 <renegaid> don't know. all I want is to see flash.
Feb 16 02:50:39 <Tibfib> that's not coming with 1.4
Feb 16 02:51:36 <Kyusaku> right now I rather see the PDK released before 1.4
Feb 16 02:52:21 <Tibfib> I wouldn't... I haven't started learning C++ yet... >.<
Feb 16 02:52:30 <Tibfib> s/wouldn't/don't
Feb 16 02:52:38 <Kyusaku> people are getting too crazy on precentral and some trolls keep making obnoxious threads
Feb 16 02:53:09 <Tibfib> worse than that... precentral needs a comment system
Feb 16 02:53:20 <Tibfib> I don't pay attention to the forums much
Feb 16 02:53:24 <Tibfib> except for the developer ones
Feb 16 02:53:47 <Kyusaku> comment system? as in?
Feb 16 02:53:55 <Tibfib> Engadgets or Gizmodos
Feb 16 02:54:03 <Tibfib> Engadget's prefereably
Feb 16 02:54:07 <Kyusaku> where you can rank comments?
Feb 16 02:54:10 <Tibfib> Yeah
Feb 16 02:54:18 <Tibfib> something to hide the losers
Feb 16 02:54:21 <Tibfib> FIRST!!!!
Feb 16 02:54:45 <Kyusaku> meh I don't think precentral gets enough comments on articles to have such a feature
Feb 16 02:54:57 <Tibfib> they get 100+ on decent articles
Feb 16 02:55:34 <Tibfib> the rest they get 20 or so
Feb 16 02:57:34 <Kyusaku> speaking of Engadget  eeds to update their app
Feb 16 02:57:49 <Tibfib> Dangggggggggg anyone really good at countdown that wants to test the master difficulty? I can't beat it...haha
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