**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 26 02:59:57 2010 Feb 26 03:00:35 Got a question about DOM manipulation in Mojo. How do I register a manipulation event? Feb 26 03:09:12 How about this is there any event triggered when a div is removed from the DOM? Feb 26 03:16:10 rlovelett: what are u trying to do? Feb 26 03:23:19 basically I want to add a button in my list, I want to make sure that when the list item is no longer in the list it's event listener is unregistered (memory leaks) Feb 26 03:24:32 I'm listening for a Mojo.Event.holdEnd on each list item as it's rendered. I want to stop listening whenever that list item is removed from the DOM Feb 26 03:26:39 anyone here used the downloadmanager for uploads? Feb 26 03:27:39 driving me crazy Feb 26 03:46:50 dumb question: when i've set up a textfield Feb 26 03:46:56 how do i reference it to get the value? Feb 26 03:47:01 model.value Feb 26 03:48:35 is there a way to make calls with skype on the pre Feb 26 03:49:15 thanks Feb 26 03:56:05 for some reasons, none of my postParameters are showing up in the PHP script Feb 26 03:56:17 though, the file uploads ARE in fact working now, which is a huge relief Feb 26 04:13:28 woo Feb 26 04:13:34 its almost friday! Feb 26 04:28:18 wwoo Feb 26 04:28:25 hey, how can you grab the device id? Feb 26 04:52:51 codeslaw: u still need it? Feb 26 04:52:59 nope, got it Feb 26 04:53:02 k Feb 26 04:53:21 everything is now working Feb 26 04:53:22 on both ends Feb 26 04:53:30 after too many hours Feb 26 04:55:08 codeslaw: sometimes it takes to many hours to get the shit right Feb 26 04:55:13 yep Feb 26 04:57:13 glad u got it working Feb 26 05:10:52 * phil_bw wanders by Feb 26 05:12:46 so is there a prefered guide to learning WebOS programming particularly using Ares? Feb 26 05:16:12 i dont think there is a whole lot of ares documentation available Feb 26 05:16:36 but i know there will be a book coming eventually Feb 26 05:16:46 I wrote PalmOS programs for about 5 years and whip them up half asleep Feb 26 05:16:56 yet I just can't seem to wrap my head completely around webos Feb 26 05:17:12 I read a good deal of the mitch allen book and understand how everything is all setup Feb 26 05:17:26 but when it comes to writing the actual JavaScript I just go blank Feb 26 05:18:05 phil_bw: if you build it they will come Feb 26 05:18:25 right now I'm building a quite simple app Feb 26 05:18:37 displays the google tasks mobile site in a webview widget Feb 26 05:18:44 the samples in the SDK are good to get started Feb 26 05:19:14 so far it pretty much does exactly the same thing as the browser (except that a back gesture minimizes instead of going to the stupid bookmarks screen) Feb 26 05:19:29 nice Feb 26 05:19:51 the end objective is quite simple, view multiple google tasks lists in one app Feb 26 05:21:32 is it possible to have the same scene (with different attributes) open multiple times? Feb 26 05:21:59 hmmm.. not sure... Feb 26 05:22:31 I basically want the different lists loaded all at the same time Feb 26 05:22:38 and just use SwapScene to go between them Feb 26 05:23:55 oh well, I give up for the night, I can't think straight Feb 26 05:24:19 * phil_bw wanders off Feb 26 06:04:46 How do you reveal the bottom of a scroller? Feb 26 06:05:24 $('scrollerId').mojo.revealBottom(); Feb 26 06:07:05 hi sugar dave Feb 26 06:07:24 hey hey Feb 26 06:08:19 oh it's .mojo.revealBottom(). Thanks sugardave Feb 26 06:08:27 np Feb 26 07:24:35 hey all Feb 26 07:26:54 howdy Feb 26 07:48:11 man can't wait for the 1.4 Feb 26 07:50:19 when is it suppose to be released? Feb 26 07:52:20 well rumors say that a guy in thailand got it Feb 26 07:52:35 no, it was vietnam Feb 26 07:53:09 4 confirmed 1.4 patch feed accesses. vietnam, japan, taipei, germany Feb 26 07:55:21 wow, taipei, Feb 26 07:55:43 probably one jacked during production... Feb 26 07:56:31 germany? Feb 26 07:56:35 why don't i have it yet? Feb 26 07:57:04 LoneStar99: there are *heaps* of Sprint Pre's in china, with the radio's re-jigged for the local network Feb 26 07:58:08 nice, did u every see the knock off iPhone? Feb 26 08:00:50 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2010/02/19/what-you-get-when-you-buy-a-25-iphone-down-the-pub/ Feb 26 08:17:32 morning, everybody! Feb 26 08:18:52 what about WebOS update? Feb 26 08:19:07 is it today? Feb 26 08:19:48 German Pre phones are getting it right now Feb 26 08:20:56 not me Feb 26 08:21:58 joetweeply: you have a German Pre? Feb 26 08:22:49 jup over here in germany Feb 26 08:22:53 with my pre Feb 26 08:24:08 interesting Feb 26 08:25:21 I have German Pre Feb 26 08:25:30 and I does not see any updates Feb 26 08:25:32 the first confirmed update was from a German Pre using a a Dutch SIM, and the 4 user to access Preware 1.4.0 Pre came from Germany Feb 26 08:25:46 the 4th user* Feb 26 08:25:49 oh Feb 26 08:26:42 the first 3 seem to be roaming in Asian countries Feb 26 08:27:33 so, if I'm not in Germany when I receive update? Feb 26 08:28:44 you don't have to be in Germany, no. Feb 26 08:29:28 ok Feb 26 08:29:42 I'll wait... Feb 26 08:29:47 :) Feb 26 08:30:12 still no update :/ Feb 26 08:30:28 it's suggested by rwhitby that updates depend on serial number batches. So maybe your German Pre hasn't been added to the approved list Feb 26 08:30:36 yet Feb 26 08:35:11 the waiting is the part that is really annoying Feb 26 08:35:25 and especially here in europe with the appstore being completely crippled Feb 26 08:36:12 until this month i was quite fond of the pre... but as of now even i start to be really annoyed by palms europe policy Feb 26 08:36:58 I think that paid apps are coming to Europe (and presumably Canada) in March Feb 26 08:37:36 morning...does anyone else get a "certificate expired error" while trying to sign in to ebay.com? Feb 26 08:37:46 will it be possible to pay the apps over the service provider? Feb 26 08:41:33 paying via provider is questionable, where would that leave unlocked Pre phones on non-associated providers Feb 26 08:42:17 couldn't that be a special option that you could subscribe to or something? Feb 26 08:43:25 currently US providers don't have this feature and those phones are basically locked to their provider Feb 26 08:43:55 which would be a good testing ecosystem for such a system Feb 26 08:44:30 but if US doesn't have it, doesn't make much sense doing it in a more unpredictable market Feb 26 08:45:30 Palm is probably caught up in some legal verifications to allow international software transactions Feb 26 10:13:00 is there any mode on the pre that block every phone call but 3g/edge+wifi works normally Feb 26 10:30:46 on gsm, just forward all calls to voicemail Feb 26 12:20:46 Does anyone else get a "certificate expired error" on a pre/pixi while trying to sign in to ebay.com? Feb 26 13:24:15 I have a radioButton and a ListSelector in my app. When I change the item in the list, somehow the previously selected element in the radio button gets deselected. When I press that element nothing happens, but I can select other elements in the radioButton. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Feb 26 14:07:42 can someone help me with dynamically adding elements to a scroller? Feb 26 14:10:20 I now call modelChanged on the radioButton model when the list onchanged gets called. Is it normal that this is necessary? Feb 26 15:01:14 hi Feb 26 15:01:40 who use emacs as editor for webOS coding? Feb 26 15:02:01 i can not make mojo.el works Feb 26 15:20:19 is there a palm debugger? Feb 26 15:20:36 something i can step thru code with and inspect a variable? kinda like firefox? Feb 26 15:21:04 im talking to an API and im getting back [object Object] - but i want to see inside of it? Feb 26 15:21:15 maybe there is a dump() command or something? Feb 26 15:27:18 cobalt027: you can use Object.toJSON( yourObject ); Feb 26 15:27:19 this gives you a string representation of your object Feb 26 15:28:56 Does .toSource() work in Mojo? I always forget Feb 26 15:32:06 my people Feb 26 15:38:38 Is there any spreadsheet application for webOS available Feb 26 15:38:39 ? Feb 26 15:42:20 green eggs and ham Feb 26 15:43:45 rohit1: no. although you can kinda use google docs. Feb 26 15:49:23 Hi everyone Feb 26 15:49:47 hello Feb 26 15:49:49 <_azdak> Hi everyone as well. Hey Yatharth Feb 26 15:49:53 How can i make a dynamic listselector ? Feb 26 15:50:12 Hi _azdak Feb 26 15:51:14 What i mean is that the number of elments in the drop down list are added dynamically Feb 26 15:55:22 <_azdak> - There's a pretty decent example in the UIWidgets sample code I think Feb 26 15:56:02 actually its given about dynamic list but not about dynamic list selector.. Feb 26 15:56:17 And they both are pretty different Feb 26 15:59:09 <_azdak> Have you tried just pushing more elements into the list selector array and then calling setupWidget again? Feb 26 15:59:57 actually i dont have any idea how to push more items into the list dynamicaaly Feb 26 16:00:08 i mean list selector Feb 26 16:02:15 <_azdak> the list selector is pulling it's items from objects in an array Feb 26 16:03:07 Yatharth: if I remember right, you have to have your attributes be a variable that sticks around, (a member property, or whatever) and then make changes to the choices there and tell the object there has been an update Feb 26 16:05:47 oh wait. Yatharth I had some trouble with this. You can update the model of a widget with "modelChanged()" Feb 26 16:05:57 but not the attributes, which is where your options are. Feb 26 16:06:06 lyht:Its given in the mojo widgets that * - a choices array must be present in either the attributes or model. If the choices are dynamic, meaning changeable after setup, then it should be in the model, otherwise in attributes. Feb 26 16:06:37 Really? I didn't know you could put them into the model. Feb 26 16:06:52 anyone which deal with websites and sql http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/anatomy-sql-injection-attack-022510 Feb 26 16:07:09 there you go, put them in the model, make changes to the option and call modelChanged. Feb 26 16:07:12 I also read this just now.:-D Feb 26 16:07:37 yes the thing stiked me also Feb 26 16:07:45 any special reason that before I registered my nick I couldn't chat in here but I could in #webos-internals? Feb 26 16:07:59 let me try this Feb 26 16:08:12 RagingMind: I thought it was freenode-wide... so no clue Feb 26 16:09:34 *shrugs* registered now so crisis averted Feb 26 16:13:23 brb Feb 26 16:25:15 when I run startSpinner in the following code I get an error that this.controller.get('spinner') returns undefined, but when I run stopSpinner it works. Why is that? http://paste.lisp.org/display/95656 Feb 26 16:27:08 somehow the spinner element is not found when calling startspinner but is found when calling stopSpinner. Does this have to do with the loading time for the widget? Feb 26 16:27:28 is it because you didn't capitalize 'Spinner' in 'startspinner'? :) Feb 26 16:28:32 Kuraiou: it's called spinner with small s twice Feb 26 16:35:30 for chrissakes... my brother is downloading something or SOMETHING, it's taking 800-900ms to ping Google Feb 26 16:35:53 sepisultrum: I could never figure out how to use the default spinner your scene is supposed to get so I just made my own. Feb 26 16:36:51 Somehow, I have a sense I do quite a bit of webos dev wrong since the problems I end up having are always things that should be simple. Feb 26 16:41:01 sloloem: yeah, well I've also created my own spinner, which is called 'spinne' and I can't find it all the time. only in one method. very strange Feb 26 16:41:20 sloloem: it's also strange that the default spinner is not documented anywhere Feb 26 16:41:55 sloloem: I have the same feeling about those simple things. but thats also because the documentation is weird and incomplete Feb 26 16:44:06 getElementsByName doesnt work either. It guess that the "this" context is just not correct in one of the cases Feb 26 16:48:39 I had to do some weird back-alley hackery to get autofocus on a text field in a dialog to work. Feb 26 16:50:14 And I've yet to figure out how to persist the state of anything in a list between scene pushes. Feb 26 16:51:08 even if I store the model in my main scene and pass the next scene a reference to my main scene so it can look at the model that way, it gets reset. Feb 26 16:52:29 sloloem: why not pass the model directly? Feb 26 17:02:14 wtf? Feb 26 17:03:54 sepisultrum: I either tried that too and it didn't work either, or I didn't even bother because I was thinking parameters are passed by copy in JS. Either way my scene assistant constructor was being called each time which I'm told is weird Feb 26 17:08:42 crap Feb 26 17:20:03 Hi Feb 26 17:20:40 How can i add elements to a list selector dynamically Feb 26 17:26:05 how can I get the reference to the toplevel div in my scene from a sceneassistant? Feb 26 17:26:05 ' Feb 26 17:31:11 <_azdak> jbjoerk- as in the document, or just the div? Feb 26 17:31:37 _azdak: just the div.I was previously using scene.document, but I found a bug where it would fetch the div from the previous scene Feb 26 17:31:56 _azdak: I'm trying to use .getSceneScroller() now, I think that should work Feb 26 17:32:14 <_azdak> gotcha Feb 26 17:33:59 How can i add elements to a list selector dynamically? Feb 26 17:37:25 put the choices array in the listSelector model. Feb 26 17:37:39 <_azdak> Yathart- did putting the choices array in the model not work? Feb 26 17:37:46 update the model.choices array Feb 26 17:38:23 call this.controller.modelChanged(whatever you call the model) Feb 26 17:39:52 haeffb_pre:but how to add the elements at run time?I mean whats the syntax for that? Feb 26 17:41:22 _azdak:i think i am making some syntax error due to which its not happening...N i am unable to figure out what the error is? Feb 26 17:41:41 Yatharth, youre trying to add something to an array? Feb 26 17:42:02 <_azdak> .push() Feb 26 17:42:04 Yes. Feb 26 17:42:15 arrayVar.push() Feb 26 17:42:26 http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_push.asp Feb 26 17:42:39 that will add to the array Feb 26 17:42:50 then you call the modelChanged function to update the widget Feb 26 17:43:12 Ok, I finally got komodo working, I think I might like it. Smaller footprint than Eclipse. Feb 26 17:43:23 myListModel.choices = [{value: 1, label: 'one'}, {value: 2, label: 'two'}] Feb 26 17:43:44 dawm,_azdak:thanx....let me try it now Feb 26 17:44:29 myListModel.choices.push({value: 3, label: 'three'}) Feb 26 17:44:47 haeffb_pre:Thanx. Feb 26 18:15:44 Is Ad-Hoc WiFi support gone for good? Feb 26 18:17:00 negative Feb 26 18:17:15 use the mobile hotspot app Feb 26 18:18:31 Ok... About to start writing an app that requires an Ad-Hoc connection to a WiFi appliance we manufacture, and noticed the support doesn't seem to be there anymore. Feb 26 18:20:37 well yea its not documented Feb 26 18:20:50 it would have to a homebrew app i believe Feb 26 18:22:54 I see. When the Pre first came out, it could connect (natively) to ad-hoc connections, but that seems to no longer be the case. I was wondering if anyone here knows if that is a temporary removal, or if it's officially gone for good. Feb 26 18:23:00 Thanks for the advice. Feb 26 18:55:11 I am not able to add the elements dynamically to the list selector....:-( Feb 26 18:55:30 It is not showing any error but its not working also... Feb 26 19:16:45 Yatharth: I had to not only change the option in the selector, but the label as well... I cheated by reloading the scene through swapScene Feb 26 19:17:02 I swapped to the same scene which real-loaded it. Feb 26 19:17:46 lyht:how can i reload my scene? Feb 26 19:18:04 say your scene was named "prefs". Feb 26 19:18:15 ok Feb 26 19:18:50 in my handler for something in that scene, I called this.controller.stageController.swapScene("prefs"); Feb 26 19:19:05 so it was swapping the scene with itself. Feb 26 19:19:11 ok Feb 26 19:22:37 lyht:But swapping the scene with itself is calling the setup function again n again....n in my case its causing problem.. Feb 26 19:24:03 true. You will probably need to have the options stored in a different object, that setup pulls from. Then before you do the swap, add the values to your options. Then when setup is called again it will include the new stuff. Feb 26 19:29:21 lyht:I am not getting exactly what are you saying.....If you a little bit of time then Should i paste my code in pastie so that you can have a look at it and then tell me how to go about it? Feb 26 19:30:01 tell you what, I will pastebin some of mine Feb 26 19:31:46 kk....Sure Feb 26 19:39:02 http://pastebin.com/MDxXkrcu Feb 26 19:40:11 lyht:thanx:) Feb 26 19:49:36 Yatharth: paste your code. Feb 26 19:55:56 haeffb_pre:http://pastie.org/844667 Feb 26 19:57:55 oh, figure I might as well link this again, in case it helps -- I wrote a pretty basic base class that might simplify development of scenes: http://github.com/Kuraiou/WebOS-Tools Feb 26 19:59:13 Yatharth: several issues... Feb 26 20:01:28 like? Feb 26 20:01:59 why setupChoices ? Feb 26 20:02:19 just put that data into the model from the beginning... Feb 26 20:03:35 modelProperty is the property in your model's choices array that determines the value of the selector. in your case, should probably be 'value' Feb 26 20:04:31 it was working in that case also but the list was displaying just two options ...Not the options added through .push() function. Feb 26 20:04:33 not 'currentDonor' which is not even a property of your choices array Feb 26 20:05:46 line 69 should be this.donor_status.push( ... ) not = Feb 26 20:06:46 and not have the brackets [ ] because you're adding an item, not an array Feb 26 20:09:18 thanx alot haeffb_pre... Feb 26 20:09:36 The main problem was the incorrect use of push function Feb 26 20:10:13 other things are working fine.... Feb 26 20:10:40 haeffb_pre:tThanx alot...:) Feb 26 20:11:54 entering a chili cooking contest in a few hours, will be hammered! Feb 26 20:12:58 still, the modelProperty: CurrentDonor will not work. Feb 26 20:13:19 LS99: sounds like fun Feb 26 20:16:28 yeah should be, will be drinking brew like water Feb 26 20:17:32 LoneStar: excelleenntttt Feb 26 20:17:46 I am having trouble motivating myself to work on my current app. fahh. Feb 26 20:17:51 help! Feb 26 20:18:18 yeah retiring from webos - till hangover goes away tommorrow Feb 26 20:18:27 Good Luck everyone! Feb 26 20:27:11 WebOSQuickInstall.jar fails installing at WebOSDoctordownload for European GSM. Any Hints? Feb 26 20:35:59 morning Feb 26 20:44:09 * BoomerET nods towards rwhitby Feb 26 20:47:35 When i am updating my list selector dynamically i am able to display the strings but i am unable to display the numbers.... Feb 26 20:48:31 In case of numbers the size of the list is increasing but the numbers in the list are not getting displayed Feb 26 20:49:01 template issue, maybe? Feb 26 20:50:12 How to reslove it? Feb 26 20:59:35 Anyone around? Feb 26 21:00:07 Trying to find a list of available keys for the System Service, setPreferences method ... any ideas? Feb 26 21:05:14 Yatharth: what numbers are yoi trying to display? Feb 26 21:06:08 var myNum = 1; Feb 26 21:06:38 var myString = '' + myNum; Feb 26 21:06:55 too bad he's gone. Feb 26 21:10:10 bleh, why make these methods available if they aren't going to give developers the necessary info to use them? Feb 26 21:14:01 1.4 roll-out stats: http://forums.precentral.net/2253566-post36.html Feb 26 21:27:05 thanks for the update rwhitby Feb 26 21:34:54 Bradley: you know, when I wake up from my nap that I'm going to take now, I think I'll go looking for system preferences to put in webos101.com Feb 26 21:35:01 because it is B.S. that it's not documented anywhere Feb 26 21:35:08 but I imagine that it shouldn't be too hard to find in the reference code Feb 26 21:36:22 I'll keep an eye on webos101.com. Let me say "thanks" in advance, and good luck, I've scoured about everything I know to scour, and haven't been able to come up with much Feb 26 21:38:53 ah. Feb 26 21:38:57 that does not bode well for me^^; Feb 26 21:40:39 Well, just cause I can't find anything, doesn't mean it's not out there. I'm pretty much a n00b when it comes to poking around the OS souce code Feb 26 21:44:01 any way to copy files from the emulator to the disk? Feb 26 21:45:09 Like to a local disk on the PC? I've done it before, but it was a huge pain in the rear. I had to jump through a bunch of hoops. Feb 26 21:45:17 I don't even remember how I did it Feb 26 21:57:41 Hey, do you guys know how to listen for when you minimize the app? I remember someone posted it but i can't find it in the logs... Feb 26 22:04:52 Bradley: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5473 Feb 26 22:04:57 hopefully that will bait one of the palm devs Feb 26 22:06:15 hopefully ... DanPLC (Music Player Remix developer) posted something similar awhile back. I bumped it last week, but got no responses Feb 26 22:07:17 I like how the SDL example for setPreferences() uses a key and value of "food":"pizza" ... I'm pretty sure that's not a valid preference key :) Feb 26 22:08:21 Kuraiou: Use novacom, e.g. novacom get file://media/internal/foo > foo Feb 26 22:08:30 Here's DanPLC's post http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3788&start=0&hilit=setpreferences Feb 26 22:11:06 Kuraiou: I gotta run. If you find anything useful, shoot an email to me: webos at bradball dot net ... I'll keep an eye on that thread and webos101.com as well. Thanks for the help Feb 26 22:16:46 Kuraiou: I use winscp. Works great. Feb 26 22:56:33 Anyone know how to get the height of a widget(specifically text widget)? $('textField').height; returns undefined Feb 26 22:58:54 woot, using offsetHeight worked Feb 26 22:59:33 Well, there you go Feb 26 22:59:40 :) Feb 26 22:59:58 I'd use a ruler. Feb 26 23:00:23 but, then, I usually take a more direct approach than most. Feb 26 23:00:59 heh, i need to change something dynamically, but using a ruler is a good idea Feb 26 23:01:03 Weird. It's 5pm CST, and it's still daylight outside. Feb 26 23:01:15 sun still shining. Feb 26 23:01:24 Is spring nearly here? Feb 26 23:03:13 saaweeeeeeeeeeet Feb 26 23:03:43 My chat application is just about ready for the public to see Feb 26 23:07:30 what kind of chat is it Feb 26 23:07:42 bbm style Feb 26 23:08:59 or Ping! for iPhone Feb 26 23:21:22 huh. turns out the device DOES log info's and warnings...you just have to set the log level with palm-log. http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1805 Feb 26 23:21:30 Haven't tested to see if this actually works... Feb 26 23:24:53 sun of a beach! Feb 26 23:25:10 full logging on device works. Feb 26 23:26:44 haeffb: I saw that today and wondered, but my palm-log is borked so I couldn't test it. That is cooleo Feb 26 23:27:10 it's awesomeeo Feb 26 23:27:24 for things like sound, gps, etc. Feb 26 23:37:04 well, I've found a decent amount of preferences used in getPreferences Feb 26 23:37:15 probably not nearly all of them Feb 26 23:45:51 http://webos101.com/System_Service Feb 26 23:45:56 I just got a Seidio 2600mh battery, just wondering, has anyone tried to move the the panels from the back of the touchstone back and put it on the seidio backing? Feb 26 23:47:37 hooray for not much detective work Feb 26 23:47:39 bobbob1016: I've seen it done on precentral Feb 26 23:48:25 Kyusaku, Any chance you could dig up the link? Feb 26 23:48:57 bobbob1016: trying Feb 26 23:49:13 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-accessories/218638-sucess-modded-seidio-2600-extended-battery-back-work-touchstone.html Feb 26 23:49:50 bobbob1016: that help? Feb 26 23:51:28 Kyusaku, Yeah. Also, first charge with it should be 8 hours, right? Feb 26 23:51:49 think so Feb 26 23:52:46 Kuraiou: good stuff Feb 26 23:52:53 I'd have thought it'd be shipped empty, but they shipped it with 42% battery, maybe it's a sign I should watch some hhgttg Feb 26 23:53:26 How this is strange, when I touch update, it scans, and then has a button that says show updates. I click that, and it doesn't show any apps that need updating, but does list all my apps. Feb 26 23:54:12 BoomerET, Same here Feb 26 23:54:42 i thought the update would be out by now\ Feb 26 23:55:17 The cookie I use to store the user's id in my app keeps disappearing every couple days. Any ideas? I don't remove it anywhere and it doesn't have an expiration, it's quite mysterious. Feb 26 23:56:07 Will it disappear if the system is rebooted, or luna restarted? Feb 26 23:56:22 I have no idea, just grasping at straws. Feb 26 23:56:43 mikeo: haven't had that happen to me.... :/ Feb 26 23:57:09 some people solved the app updates issue by reinstalling an app they had previously installed and removed it again(suggesting it was poorly removed the first time it was removed) Feb 26 23:57:35 also a faulty mytether install can create the issue Feb 26 23:58:03 It happens to me when I start the app from eclipse, very occasionally. I tried reinstalling and thought that had solved it, but no dice. Feb 26 23:58:08 I installed mytether, and it is working, could that still be faulty and causing my problem? Feb 26 23:58:37 I had a faulty epocrates Feb 26 23:59:30 bobbob1016: possible, happened to me. Feb 26 23:59:51 how did you install it Feb 27 00:00:07 With the Mac installer app Feb 27 00:00:59 you could try removing it via Preware, check your updates app to see if it solved it Feb 27 00:01:14 if not it might not be related to mytether Feb 27 00:02:20 hi Feb 27 00:02:35 damn palm to hell for not giving me 1.4 today Feb 27 00:02:42 it is still today Feb 27 00:03:03 I have 6 hours until it is tomorrow Feb 27 00:03:12 i doubt they will release it after 5pm Feb 27 00:03:22 you never know Feb 27 00:03:24 Do you know how can i display the symbols table on the emulator (like i've pressed the Sym key on the phone) ? Feb 27 00:03:46 It seems more likely it will be later to me Feb 27 00:04:17 it's 4pm in California Feb 27 00:04:30 wheres the palm lab? Feb 27 00:04:51 cali Feb 27 00:05:13 then they got one hour cause i know those hippies won't work past 5 Feb 27 00:05:20 Update's not until friday Feb 27 00:05:31 it is friday Feb 27 00:05:36 ... oh shit it is Feb 27 00:05:38 Saturday here Feb 27 00:05:38 oh god Feb 27 00:05:40 agghhhh Feb 27 00:05:42 )) Feb 27 00:05:44 * Kuraiou dies Feb 27 00:07:13 us hippies do plenty of work past 5 lol Feb 27 00:07:47 fanatsumy: option key maps to symbol but the one thing that doesn't (currently) work is bringing up the generic table. You can use option with other keys to get the key-specific symbol tables. Feb 27 00:08:08 sorry, make that "control with other keys" Feb 27 00:08:55 thank you) it works in textfield widget but how can i make it works in my custom scene ? Feb 27 00:09:21 not sure. Feb 27 00:09:43 thank you anyway :) Feb 27 00:12:12 lemketron: how many of you hippies are still working tonight? Feb 27 00:12:29 hippies? tonight? It's only 4pm... Feb 27 00:12:35 wow i'm not going to live down that hippie comment am i? Feb 27 00:12:46 see above. Feb 27 00:13:06 some folks don't arrive all that much before 5pm Feb 27 00:13:25 I was about to ask, how do you have time to chat when you are supposed to be working on 1.4... :) Feb 27 00:13:38 [18:04] then they got one hour cause i know those hippies won't work past 5 Feb 27 00:13:58 * BoBoYsDaDDa runs to everyones computer and types /clear Feb 27 00:14:06 :) Feb 27 00:14:09 haha Feb 27 00:14:16 is friday bongo short day there? Feb 27 00:14:23 I envy you, I have a 1 am Feb 27 00:14:28 lol Feb 27 00:14:48 so, i'm in saturday right now) Feb 27 00:14:55 * BoBoYsDaDDa is currently working 24 hour shifts from noon to noon Feb 27 00:14:55 work all night + weekend, and last i checked bonafide hippie here Feb 27 00:15:42 hippie, I can walk to Haight/Ashbury, but I sure wouldn't want to, not even in daylight. Feb 27 00:16:03 smoke break Feb 27 00:16:41 coffee brake Feb 27 00:18:08 Now I try doing an update, and it just hangs there forever. Feb 27 00:18:20 and I'm 802.11 Feb 27 00:22:01 hi all! Feb 27 00:22:18 Kyusaku, I removed it, and the updates thing went away, I reinstalled it and it's showing "Show Updates" again Feb 27 00:22:19 hi jenp Feb 27 00:22:20 * BoomerET waves Feb 27 00:22:27 * haeffb waves too Feb 27 00:22:38 hi guys Feb 27 00:22:58 * BoomerET nods Feb 27 00:24:28 hey JenP Feb 27 00:24:38 hi rod! Feb 27 00:24:42 39 people with 1.4 patches so far Feb 27 00:25:05 http://forums.precentral.net/2253566-post36.html Feb 27 00:25:10 * BoBoYsDaDDa wants to be #40 Feb 27 00:25:15 39 huh Feb 27 00:25:29 My phone just stays on the checking for updates, like it's frozen Feb 27 00:27:00 next week i'm going to check for updates and i'll have 1.5 before i ever see 1.4 Feb 27 00:31:30 does anybody know if that "Application updates are now available thing" may block the 1.4 update? Feb 27 00:33:08 dannns: I doubt it Feb 27 00:33:24 OTA and app catalog systems are quite separate Feb 27 00:33:47 danns: no it will take priority over it Feb 27 00:34:15 bobbob1016: you'll have to ask the developer of mytether about that Feb 27 00:37:34 Kyusaku, Where would I find said developer? Feb 27 00:38:05 Kyusaku, Or just the mytether forums? Feb 27 00:38:18 mytether forums Feb 27 00:43:26 Kyusaku, One other thing, I installed the Assassin's Creed demo through the App Catalog, but when I press it, it doesn't load. Any ideas? Feb 27 00:52:11 bobbob: does it have a blue circle on the icon? Feb 27 00:52:24 Actually, first, restart your phone Feb 27 00:54:18 try what Tibfib suggests. Personally I had no troubles with Assassin's Creed demo Feb 27 00:55:01 man, large db design is hard Feb 27 00:55:09 left join Feb 27 00:55:10 righ tjoin Feb 27 00:55:16 equijoins Feb 27 00:55:21 the mind boggles Feb 27 01:00:46 Tibfib, I've rebooted, and no there is no blue icon, it installed completely Feb 27 01:01:05 select * from sugardave left outer join coolness using (coolness_id); Feb 27 01:01:52 sugardave: did you see that you can now log info & warning on device? Feb 27 01:02:55