doesn't really matter Mar 03 06:05:00 oh ok Mar 03 06:05:16 the tapping into it with the wiring of the click handlers isnt anything specific to webos, its just prototype? Mar 03 06:05:24 just attaches an onclick on a html element? Mar 03 06:07:55 the Mojo.events are just custom events added through the prototype framework Mar 03 06:08:10 there is no 'onclick' Mar 03 06:08:24 but the point is I can register a tap on anything Mar 03 06:08:29 div, image, etc etc etc Mar 03 06:08:40 that was supposed to be a question Mar 03 06:08:55 ron_frown: yes you can listen to taps on anything Mar 03 06:09:05 sweet tits Mar 03 06:52:01 any changes in the WebOS world, been away for 5 days Mar 03 07:08:34 ok Mar 03 07:09:57 is there anything I need to enable debugging in the simulator? Mar 03 07:12:27 ron_frown: what kind of debugging? Logs? Mar 03 07:16:46 well I wanted to just stop on a breakpoint Mar 03 07:16:53 but maybe that was android I was using that it actually worked for Mar 03 07:19:05 ron_frown: use Ares for debuggin Mar 03 07:19:19 you can set breakpoints using the command line debugger....but its a pain to use Mar 03 07:20:10 hrmm Mar 03 07:20:15 I can see logging working Mar 03 07:20:35 should I be able to push a scene for navigational purposes from another scenes assistance? Mar 03 07:20:49 I copied the stuff that was in the stage-assistants by default Mar 03 07:21:01 and obviously thats not going to work quite like that Mar 03 07:21:23 yes. you can push scenes from any other scene Mar 03 07:21:46 this.controller.stageController.pushScene('newsceneName',args) Mar 03 07:21:59 ahh Mar 03 07:22:10 because its not a stagecontroller hte method shouldnt be there Mar 03 07:22:28 I appreciate you tolerating my questions I dont mean to sound like I expect you to spoon feed me Mar 03 07:22:45 I'm an experienced programmer, even in web stuff, this is just diff than what I am used to Mar 03 07:22:53 Hi Mar 03 07:22:57 :) Mar 03 07:23:18 anyone here could help me with the pdk? :) Mar 03 07:23:28 is pdk out? Mar 03 07:23:40 no the webos-internals Mar 03 07:23:50 ? Mar 03 07:24:05 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK Mar 03 07:25:34 ahh Mar 03 07:25:38 I was gonna say Mar 03 07:27:04 ron_frown: no problem....we're all here to learn :) Mar 03 07:27:06 is it possible to directly capture the screen with the 1.4 video stuff on the device? Mar 03 07:27:19 Holliefant: what are you wondering about? Mar 03 07:27:55 has 1.4 been released? Mar 03 07:28:08 been gone for some days Mar 03 07:28:26 jfelectron, its just not working to me Mar 03 07:28:29 yes Mar 03 07:28:29 no no that is just a rumor Mar 03 07:28:34 1.4 was out yesterday/today Mar 03 07:28:46 oh wow Mar 03 07:28:56 Holliefant: are you having difficult building it? Mar 03 07:28:56 dont update Mar 03 07:29:00 looks like I am way too stupid for that one :) Mar 03 07:29:03 jfelectron how are you? Mar 03 07:29:15 you don't want the major great experience, don't you? Mar 03 07:29:22 jfelectron, yes i always have the same problem Mar 03 07:29:28 ? Mar 03 07:29:45 LoneStar99: OK....spent all evening trying to get the WebView widget to have controllable size...but to no avail Mar 03 07:30:19 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld: warning: libedbus-ver-pre-svn-05.so.0, needed by Mar 03 07:30:38 there is a problem just don�t know why :) Mar 03 07:31:22 why cant palm put webos on some good hardware? Mar 03 07:31:46 I love the os... I mean so far I still really believe they nailed the fluidity and the sdk etc Mar 03 07:31:54 jfelectron: early in my experiments, messed with webview Mar 03 07:31:58 but its lacking adoption because pixi and pre arent that impressive =( Mar 03 07:32:28 what are you trying to get from webview? Mar 03 07:32:36 Holliefant: that looks to me like you are running a newer version of libedbus than the WIDK wants....downgrade Mar 03 07:32:56 ok ill try that one :) Mar 03 07:33:20 LoneStar99: I need it to not consume the entire card, its running off screen Mar 03 07:33:35 virtualpageheight and virtualpagewidth don't seem to do anything Mar 03 07:34:28 is there a common way of passing vars? Say I want to click on a series of dynamically rendered list... and push a scene with an id or something Mar 03 07:34:31 is that common? Mar 03 07:34:56 liek a div with some attribute so I can take that attribute later and pass to resulting scene? Mar 03 07:36:55 jfelecton: how big is the page in width and height? Mar 03 07:41:30 jfelectron, ok I am really stupid... I didn�t even have this lib.. :) Mar 03 07:41:46 Holliefant: ah...well there you go :) Mar 03 07:42:25 ron_frown: everything after the scene name gets passed to the initialize function of the scene assistant Mar 03 07:42:47 well yeah that makes sense but then theres the matter of getting that data Mar 03 07:42:51 should I jsut set the attributes Mar 03 07:43:11 bind all objects with class of x, in the handler get the source and then the attribute I am looking for from the source then pass that on? Mar 03 07:43:11 the tap handler gets passed the target Mar 03 07:43:19 cool Mar 03 07:43:21 event.target Mar 03 07:43:47 or if its in a list or something you'll want event.originalTarget Mar 03 07:44:06 or event.target.originalTarget....don't remember which Mar 03 07:44:36 LoneStar99: the page is mobile formated....not sure. But I thought I could have the webview have a fixed size but allow scrolling and zooming etc Mar 03 07:44:43 well eventually that will be the case, but I'll start small and move forward Mar 03 07:49:37 ron_frown: you can even just pass event.target to the next scene and extract the attributes there. The scene is still in the DOM when the next scene is pushed so the element reference is still valid Mar 03 07:49:50 jfelectron: did some testing when I was first developing, and was dissapointed with the results of webview... Mar 03 07:50:14 you mean because the navigation push just tosses the next page on the stack, and that it'll only truly go away when I pop it? Mar 03 07:50:28 LoneStar99: yeah....giving up for the moment....I'll just use the browser. The WebView would be nice because I can listen to redirects and such and act accordingly Mar 03 07:50:35 ron_frown: yes Mar 03 07:51:18 the framework just applies display: none to the container div of the underlying scene Mar 03 07:52:03 interesting Mar 03 07:52:14 LoneStar99: I've got flickr uploading working Mar 03 07:52:29 LoneStar99: well auth+upload Mar 03 07:52:32 Usesome Mar 03 07:54:32 I think there is a reason we haven't seen custom browsers for WebOS....its because the WebView sucks Mar 03 07:54:37 That is killer Mar 03 07:55:24 i have my theories, one of them so no other browsers can compete Mar 03 07:55:26 adding picassa tomorrow...already have the auth, just need to implement the upload api portions Mar 03 07:55:59 the WebOS browser is OK....but pretty barebones Mar 03 07:59:11 are u excited? Mar 03 08:00:50 about my app nearing 'complete'? Mar 03 08:01:05 yeah...I want to set it free Mar 03 08:01:27 yeah, it will be brilliant Mar 03 08:02:34 man...I freaking love when the emu internet just craps out randomlu Mar 03 08:02:43 LoneStar99: aww...thanks man Mar 03 08:02:55 gotta walk the dog...be back in a bit Mar 03 08:03:19 k Mar 03 08:29:25 jfelecton: my search for the app catalog is getting bad feedback, should I kill it? Mar 03 08:30:19 prototype.js is already on the phone and everything? Mar 03 08:32:56 yeah prototype is built in Mar 03 08:33:47 you know hwo I could find documentation on that? Mar 03 08:34:02 I see .get() to do what I believe is effectively document.getelementbyid() Mar 03 08:34:06 but I want to grab by classname Mar 03 08:34:41 in controller I dont see any references to ties with the prototype helpers Mar 03 08:34:56 ron_frown: what are you trying to do? Mar 03 08:35:16 I am using template in prototype to build a string Mar 03 08:35:31 I'd like to have a predefined basic template that gets repeated for each item in an array Mar 03 08:36:05 and just set innerHtml Mar 03 08:36:40 but elsehwere I want to say every div that is class "characterButton" Mar 03 08:36:45 gets the tap event Mar 03 08:38:28 hmm doesnt seem like it likes the template crap anywya Mar 03 08:41:14 http://www.webos101.com/Accessing_Web_Services Mar 03 08:42:51 hmm sucks about the templating Mar 03 08:43:35 that code works, if you want it work Mar 03 08:49:32 good morning Mar 03 08:49:55 characterData.each( function(conv){htmlcharacters = htmlcharacters + template.evaluate(conv);}); Mar 03 08:49:58 thats what I did Mar 03 08:50:00 worked great Mar 03 08:50:09 no string concatenation Mar 03 08:50:11 just works Mar 03 08:52:51 nice Mar 03 08:52:59 but the real question wasnt really ever that Mar 03 08:53:02 it was... Mar 03 08:53:07 say that generates a bunch of divs Mar 03 08:53:14 all have a class of characterButton Mar 03 08:53:30 can I register tap event like Mar 03 08:53:39 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("characterButton"), Mojo.Event.tap, Mar 03 08:54:35 yes you can build everything on a tap Mar 03 08:54:55 not really what I mean Mar 03 08:55:02 I know I can wire one at a time fairly eay Mar 03 08:55:03 easy Mar 03 08:55:28 I am saying can I just do a blanket "anything that has classof characterbutton should wire to that event Mar 03 08:56:03 yes you can Mar 03 08:56:29 like dynamically? Mar 03 08:56:38 yes Mar 03 08:59:58 watch the video then tell me if you want things that dynamic htttp://urloid.com/vid1 Mar 03 09:04:37 link no worky Mar 03 09:19:54 surely somone is awake up in here Mar 03 09:25:04 to do what? Mar 03 09:26:28 theres got to be a simple way to handle this Mar 03 09:26:38 I've got a bunch of html I am generating Mar 03 09:27:07 I want to effectively have a div I define the html of, then do something like foreach div that has classname of characterButton, wire it to the same listen handler Mar 03 09:27:17 like commands in some languages Mar 03 09:27:45 where you just tell it all these buttons are firing "deleteuser" and passing commandparameter = "1" Mar 03 09:28:49 so all the buttons will trigger the very same event, just passing diff targets Mar 03 09:31:34 damn it Mar 03 13:21:34 morning Mar 03 13:21:49 So the cat's out of the bag: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/9923414195 Mar 03 13:21:56 What do the devs here think? Mar 03 14:24:54 ohayou Mar 03 14:25:58 Morning (evening or afternoon, as appropriate) Mar 03 14:26:30 (ohayou means "good morning". konnichi wa for noon-time, konban wa for evening) Mar 03 14:26:33 (now you know Japanese!) Mar 03 14:28:44 for handling a list widgets select Mar 03 14:28:48 do I have to use list selector Mar 03 14:29:01 or can I jjust handle the lists tap event? Mar 03 14:33:12 rwhitby: I personally don't care. Mar 03 14:33:53 ron_frown: listSelector and list are two completely different widgets. Mar 03 14:34:31 so, you can just handle the list's listTap event Mar 03 14:34:48 yeah I think I am understanding Mar 03 14:34:56 Kuraiou: hi Mar 03 14:35:12 Roy-Pre101: seen the free apps commotion ? Mar 03 14:35:29 yes Mar 03 14:35:38 yesterday somone told me I could push a scene with parameters.... so I am passing an object, but how do I fetch it out on the new scene side? Is the old assistant around for the second scene load? Mar 03 14:35:43 what's the commotion? Mar 03 14:36:08 Kuraiou: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/9923414195 Mar 03 14:36:38 Roy-Pre101: as a respected webOS commentator, what's your thoughts? Mar 03 14:37:14 ron_frown: You retrieve the parameters in the 'construtor' for your new scene Mar 03 14:37:28 e.g. function BoardAssistant(boardName) { Mar 03 14:37:28 this.boardName = boardName; Mar 03 14:37:41 boardName being a parameter Mar 03 14:38:00 ahh ok Mar 03 14:38:01 danke Mar 03 14:38:07 and could be an entire object Mar 03 14:38:32 good for using the Command software design pattern Mar 03 14:39:01 haeffb_pre: thats exaclty what I am doing... gonna take my list model from the page prior and send the entire object of the selected row over Mar 03 14:39:03 should work good Mar 03 14:40:18 you can also send a function in the first scene to call from the second scene... :) Mar 03 14:42:28 ? Mar 03 14:42:32 oh Mar 03 14:42:33 CAN Mar 03 14:42:35 ok Mar 03 14:43:09 it took me awhile to understand the concept of a callback function... Mar 03 14:44:25 I understand callbacks here just fine Mar 03 14:48:23 Roy-Pre101: no thoughts? Mar 03 14:48:38 rwhitby: Sorry, was AFK Mar 03 14:48:45 mostly. Mar 03 14:48:59 should I see my Mojo.Log.Info() Mar 03 14:49:01 from Mar 03 14:49:11 palm-log -d tcp Mar 03 14:49:18 I see lots of other stuff including errors Mar 03 14:49:23 but not my actual tracing Mar 03 14:49:28 I think you are correct that there is a dilema there. Mar 03 14:49:47 ron_frown: You must set the log level. Also: It's Mojo.Log.info not .Info. Mar 03 14:50:43 I think you summed it up correctly in your post on PreCentral, though. Mar 03 14:54:08 Roy-Pre101: it's 1:30am here. I'm looking forward to an interesting read when I wake up later this morning :-) Mar 03 14:55:03 No doubt. Mar 03 14:55:13 night all Mar 03 14:56:41 night rwhitby Mar 03 14:57:47 huh oO Mar 03 15:41:58 what's with the "Not installing" reviews with zero stars Mar 03 15:42:22 that just killed my rating and it looks like its not even a customer Mar 03 15:48:23 one of the comments on my app had a complaint about the UI, but didn't elaborate, and I have no way of contacting him/her :/ Mar 03 15:48:29 and (s)he's not emailing me, either Mar 03 15:48:30 fahhhh Mar 03 15:50:02 well i understand when a real customer reviews, good or bad, i have a review that says "Slow load" even though i tried my best to make sure that the app starts quickly and the other reviews reflect that Mar 03 15:50:17 but a review "By Not installing" doesnt even make sense Mar 03 15:50:26 its not even a real customer Mar 03 15:50:34 thats just spam and i dont know where its coming from Mar 03 15:50:41 bye Mar 03 15:50:48 pacemkr: was it zero star? Mar 03 15:50:53 yes Mar 03 15:51:30 yeah, chuq is supposed to periodically clean them out Mar 03 15:51:41 its due to a bug on palms behalf Mar 03 15:51:48 poor chuq Mar 03 15:52:04 unfortunately it drags down your reviews and average rating in the month or more where they sit out there Mar 03 15:52:05 some bug... Mar 03 15:52:19 well it drags down sales Mar 03 15:52:26 oh yeah that too Mar 03 15:52:53 this is really ticking me off... Mar 03 15:52:55 what's annoying to me is people putting reviews up like "no sound, 1 star!" when I've added sound. Mar 03 15:53:09 I think swisstomcat had 0-star "cannot install" reviews going back to january Mar 03 15:53:25 this is just unacceptable Mar 03 15:53:55 whats the point of making a top of the notch product if you're gonna be pulled down the list by a damn bug thats been around for months Mar 03 15:53:56 too bad reviews aren't really monitored. app developers should not be punished because a user's pre is broken to the point where they can't install apps Mar 03 15:54:35 or complaining about a missing option that, if they bothered to actually look in the menu for it, they would notice exists. Mar 03 15:54:52 pacemkr: i agree - very frustrating to have no recourse except to complain to a single, overworked person at palm. it sucks. Mar 03 15:55:00 still no 1.4 update for the Eclipse plugin? Mar 03 15:58:07 im not making more apps untill they fix this Mar 03 15:58:22 this is just a super serious bug that has been around for months Mar 03 16:05:45 Monroe: i think sdk 1.4 includes the new eclipse plug in Mar 03 16:06:32 at least thats what it said in the release notes, im using Komodo Mar 03 16:06:49 heya Mar 03 16:07:10 Well, the install instructions point you to the same URL that has always been used to get the eclipse plugin. But when you try that URL, it gives you "There is nothing to update" .. or if you are on a fresh install, it downloads the 1.3.5 version Mar 03 16:09:05 I've been thinking about switching to Komodo ... Has the developer who made the webos plugin for Komodo updated it for 1.4 already? Mar 03 16:09:50 i dont think so, but im using it on an existing project with 1.4 and it seems to launch the emulator and inspector just fine Mar 03 16:09:57 thats mainly what i use it for Mar 03 16:10:33 you would probably have to use palm-generate or something to get a new project off the ground Mar 03 16:12:04 Monroe: you're right about eclipse, same problem here Mar 03 16:13:31 im off Mar 03 16:13:35 later everyone Mar 03 16:13:44 thanks for the info on those zero star reviews Mar 03 16:20:47 is lunasysmgr crashing a known problem? Mar 03 16:22:13 i get it from time to time when waking my pre from sleep Mar 03 16:23:36 dunno Mar 03 16:23:38 I have an issue from time to time when waking from sleep where the backlight doesn't come on ... weird Mar 03 16:23:51 but no restart? Mar 03 16:24:23 works fine on restart Mar 03 16:24:37 I can also put it back to sleep and then re-wake it and it'll be fine Mar 03 16:25:28 And ... Right after I updated to 1.4, I lost my wallpaper, and setting a new one had no effect ... black screen ... a reboot fixed that though Mar 03 16:27:14 Should I put my javascripts directory as a sibling or child of the app directory? Does it matter? Mar 03 16:29:01 I'm trying to learn jQuery, so I assumed I should put jquery.js in my /javascritps dir. Mar 03 16:29:23 i don't think it matters .. i usually put it into models at the same level as app and views Mar 03 16:29:51 I do the same Mar 03 16:30:04 Ok, so when I call it, I should have src="/javascripts/jquery.js"? or just "javascripts/jquery.js"? Mar 03 16:30:19 or even ./ Mar 03 16:30:47 I'm just trying to get a simple alert to display, but it isn't :( Mar 03 16:30:58 Maybe I need to take a step back. Mar 03 16:31:46 who the hell is buying all this appible crap? Mar 03 16:32:00 people with more money than they know what to do with? Mar 03 16:32:12 People with more money than brains? Mar 03 16:32:24 Boomer .. can't you just reference the .js in the sources.json ? Mar 03 16:32:35 Oh, I forgot to put it there, jeesh. Mar 03 16:32:38 :) Mar 03 16:32:43 heh Mar 03 16:32:43 I do that all the time Mar 03 16:33:13 WTF won't this code work?!?!?!?! .... oh yeah, forgot to put the sources.json entry in ... :) Mar 03 16:38:44 Similiar things in every language, PHP I forget semi-colons, because I work mostly w/ Ruby, which doesn't use them. Mar 03 16:39:29 is there a better way to shorten up the vertical distance between two palm-buttons than using negative margin/padding (and will that even work?) Mar 03 16:39:47 codeslaw: did you see that the forward gesture bug is already fixed but did not make it into 1.4? Mar 03 16:40:04 but php is fun! Mar 03 16:40:21 swisstomcat: ya i saw lemketrons post, and spoke with him here Mar 03 16:40:33 hopefully that comes out quick, its somewhat the pinnacle of my UI Mar 03 16:40:35 let's hope 1.4.1 will go out soon Mar 03 16:40:46 Wait, now I'm reading a site that says jquery and Prototype may cause conflicts due to naming? Mar 03 16:41:00 the canvas changes also broke my app on the Pixi, submitting an update tonight finally Mar 03 16:41:03 Ok, time to quit w/ jquery and focus on Prototype. Mar 03 16:41:03 also the "LunaSysMgr performing unaligned read and crashing" Mar 03 16:41:34 No clue on that Boomer .. I've not used jquery Mar 03 16:42:30 I think my time may best be served learning Prototype then. Mar 03 16:42:40 Stinking shiny object syndrome. Mar 03 16:42:51 Typical Engineer I guess. Mar 03 16:42:58 hehe Mar 03 16:43:14 lol Mar 03 16:43:24 Oh, you laugh now :) Mar 03 16:43:40 wtf, Nagios is bitching up a storm about my database, crap. Mar 03 16:44:40 Ewwww, databases..... :p Mar 03 16:44:46 Yea, exactly. Mar 03 16:45:02 I'm in charge of Nagios, but not the DB's, thank goodness. Mar 03 16:45:25 ha Mar 03 16:46:07 most of my stuff is done on a dev db Mar 03 16:46:19 so if it crashes it's all goos Mar 03 16:46:24 good* Mar 03 16:46:45 I used to work for Sybase, but that doesn't mean I know a damn thing about SQL. I wish management would understand that. I'm not a dev anymore. Mar 03 16:47:33 Hell, I'm not so sure I ever was, I think the term would be Code Monkey. Mar 03 16:47:40 ha. I just know enough to be able to fake the rest Mar 03 16:47:52 and I AM a code monkey Mar 03 16:48:02 and I like it Mar 03 16:48:13 I used to write firmware for DSL modems, but now I'm a network dude. Mar 03 16:48:23 any Palm folks who can look into a registration issue for my friend? Mar 03 16:48:57 was discussing things lastnight w/ Adora Mar 03 16:49:16 I like doing backend web dev styff Mar 03 16:49:21 stuff* Mar 03 16:49:39 ie the classes for db interaction Mar 03 16:50:03 wow, it's hard to ttype on my pre right now Mar 03 16:51:13 Just right now? Mar 03 16:52:02 yeah. fingers are cold and it's ona table Mar 03 16:59:14 well, time to go learn more about 'data abstraction and layers' this should be fun Mar 03 16:59:52 Your idea of fun and mine seem to be worlds apart :) Mar 03 17:00:07 abstract data has no meaning ;) Mar 03 17:00:45 I, unlike Sheldon, understand sarcasm. Mar 03 17:01:07 Bazinga Mar 03 17:01:13 i don't like abstraction Mar 03 17:01:58 go code asm Mar 03 17:02:14 hehe Mar 03 17:03:44 I used to write z80 asm, it was quite a bit of fun actually. Mar 03 17:04:11 I wouldn't want to write general purpose apps with it Mar 03 17:04:16 I think Hanible Smith said it best, 'I love it when a plan comes together'. Mar 03 17:04:21 shoring up some performance issues in a game is one thing Mar 03 17:04:26 Oh, I was writing GBA games. Mar 03 17:04:36 right on Mar 03 17:04:46 oh, my asm class is on tues thurs Mar 03 17:04:50 homebrew stuff or commercial? Mar 03 17:05:02 java is mon wed Mar 03 17:05:07 Homebrew, mainly for Bung competitions. Mar 03 17:05:20 I also did some work for various release groups. Mar 03 17:05:29 Venom, TC, etc. Mar 03 17:05:32 not familiar, but that's really cool Mar 03 17:06:02 My apologies, I'm sure those names mean nothing. I was just a coder. Mar 03 17:06:19 "just" Mar 03 17:06:34 As opposed to one of the rank and file pirates. Mar 03 17:07:09 I never got round to writing real asm in school, just that fake asm, forget what it was called Mar 03 17:07:13 Contractor if you will. Sell my soul for a fleeting moment of glory. Mar 03 17:07:18 hehe Mar 03 17:07:25 sure sure Mar 03 17:07:33 All to see my nick in a scrollie :) Mar 03 17:07:43 even so it's fun Mar 03 17:08:52 time to learn more about linked lists. because regular arrays are pansies Mar 03 17:09:17 ha! Mar 03 17:09:39 i really liked data structures + algorithms classes Mar 03 17:09:50 although memorizing a bazillion tree types was not fun Mar 03 17:10:09 oh snap. I have to take apart my laptop to remove the bluetooth card Mar 03 17:11:50 onsite warrenty ftw Mar 03 17:12:34 Onsite for a laptop? Mar 03 17:13:12 yeah Mar 03 17:13:21 next day as well Mar 03 17:13:34 I want your budget :) Mar 03 17:13:47 ha Mar 03 17:13:57 it was worth it Mar 03 17:14:20 300 for 3 year next day on site plus accidental Mar 03 17:15:05 brb, switching to laptop Mar 03 17:16:39 soooo much better Mar 03 17:17:19 I'm finally getting my T400's screen replaced Mar 03 17:19:17 Innnnteresting. Apparently if I go to safari books via my campus wifi I have unlimited access Mar 03 17:19:22 to.... Everything Mar 03 17:19:51 Can you give me the vpn info for your campus wifi? ;) Mar 03 17:20:16 I have never used the vpn Mar 03 17:20:19 EVER Mar 03 17:20:47 I just always got along with the open network, which just sorta let you use the web and nothing else Mar 03 17:20:59 and now I use the encrypted network which replaces the vpn Mar 03 17:21:06 except my phone will not connect to it Mar 03 17:21:11 grrr Mar 03 17:21:55 For some reason it will not accept the certificate, even when I manually load it onto the phone Mar 03 17:23:04 Is it a wildcard? Mar 03 17:23:11 No Mar 03 17:23:36 Its a custom Thawte Mar 03 17:24:47 But then again, there really is no need for my phone to be on the network, since the one class that I have where I get no signal is a computer class Mar 03 17:24:57 ha! finally figured out why my users are losing data. they are flicking the entry screen away w/o going back to main scene Mar 03 17:25:28 time to rewrite the entry scene to save on each field change... Mar 03 17:26:27 @haeffb: on change or on blur? O_o Mar 03 17:26:27 :p Mar 03 17:26:55 good question. Mar 03 17:27:14 Why not just save on deactivate? Mar 03 17:27:27 if on blur, they'll still lose any change to that last field. Mar 03 17:28:04 because the app closes before the DB transaction finishes. Boom. data gone. Mar 03 17:28:40 I believe you can catch that thuogh, and have the app wait for the transaction to finish before closing Mar 03 17:29:03 anyway ... time for lunch! Mar 03 17:29:15 lunch.... thats not in my future for today Mar 03 17:29:21 heh Mar 03 17:29:25 not hungry? Mar 03 17:29:28 or no money? Mar 03 17:29:32 No time Mar 03 17:29:44 there's always enough time available Mar 03 17:29:56 I have 15 minutes between classes Mar 03 17:29:56 24hours every day Mar 03 17:30:02 it takes 10 to get from one to another Mar 03 17:30:11 no lunch break? Mar 03 17:30:22 not on mon or wed Mar 03 17:30:26 that sucks Mar 03 17:30:34