**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 09 02:59:58 2010 Mar 09 03:00:37 i would like to pull a downlaoded app off the phone - where are the IPKs? can the be gotten to? Mar 09 03:29:41 stupid connection Mar 09 03:34:23 ok Mar 09 03:34:32 supid question needs a stupid answer Mar 09 03:34:46 If I stick an image into the image folder, how do I get to it Mar 09 03:36:31 wait Mar 09 03:36:33 found it Mar 09 03:36:54 WIN Mar 09 03:37:09 I epically have the xbox achievement icon in my program Mar 09 03:56:31 http://twitpic.com/17h3xo Mar 09 03:57:22 I'm having trouble bypassing activation with meta doctor Mar 09 03:59:08 in the makefile i enabled BYPASS_ACTIVATION MAKE_FIRSTUSE_VISIBLE and ENABLE_DEVELOPER_MODE Mar 09 03:59:20 can anyone help? Mar 09 03:59:37 your best bet is to ask in #webos-internals Mar 09 03:59:38 not here Mar 09 04:59:17 hihi Mar 09 05:01:21 hello Mar 09 05:15:55 note to self: childNode does not equal childNodes Mar 09 05:16:07 Does anyone know what exactly changed for the new scene from the command line. Mar 09 05:16:46 nope Mar 09 05:22:31 Does it still allow an absolute path? Mar 09 05:35:00 and away it goes! Mar 09 07:02:57 ladies Mar 09 07:03:16 whatcha talking bout willis? Mar 09 07:03:28 same ol same ol problem Mar 09 07:03:34 awww Mar 09 07:03:53 something as stupid as this and I solve way way way way bigger problems at work every day Mar 09 07:03:53 * halfhalo_T400 whistles since his app doesnt use audio Mar 09 07:04:19 haha Mar 09 07:04:26 I understand Mar 09 07:04:35 I imagine folks in here would have chimed in if they did have answers Mar 09 07:04:59 just frustrating Mar 09 07:05:16 I know people over at palm... I'll ask if there is some magical voodoo Mar 09 07:05:59 actually my problems are probably that html5 isnt a complete standard yet Mar 09 07:06:09 and support for audio/video in it is more or less rudimentary Mar 09 08:46:26 ok wtf Mar 09 08:46:38 I cannot get any more than exactly 1 sound to play, exactly one time Mar 09 08:47:19 even with multiple audio objects? Mar 09 08:48:21 well how I was doing it yesterday Mar 09 08:48:24 yep Mar 09 08:48:27 one sound, one time Mar 09 08:48:34 I can see my button click events firing off in the log Mar 09 08:48:50 no amount of setting source to null, loading, setting src to actual value and playing is working Mar 09 08:53:30 hmm I found out a slighly better way of doing things Mar 09 08:53:34 I may be able to get this going yet Mar 09 11:47:23 * dthought says hello to everybody Mar 09 11:47:31 hi! Mar 09 11:47:34 does anyone know about a SIP appliaction for webos? Mar 09 12:00:18 drnull: IT WORKED !!! thank you :) email also sent to ya. Mar 09 14:57:20 morning all Mar 09 15:05:28 hey all Mar 09 15:06:45 hey Mar 09 15:10:31 hi atlanta , Monroe Mar 09 15:10:44 good morning Mar 09 15:11:01 dthought: hey hey Mar 09 15:11:04 wheres the pdk Mar 09 15:11:13 i still fail to see a download link Mar 09 15:13:21 atlanta: seems it isnt available yet... Mar 09 15:14:57 but sense its gonna be out i guess ill go learn c++ Mar 09 15:15:29 hehe I'm going to need a serious c++ refresher course :) Mar 09 15:15:39 so the pdk allows you to write apps in c++? Mar 09 15:15:58 * jcrawford kicks his Jabra HALO bluetooth headset, can't get it to connect to anything :( Mar 09 15:16:01 may be defective Mar 09 15:16:44 jcrawford: ouch Mar 09 15:16:45 and yes Mar 09 15:16:52 you can write your apps in c/c++ Mar 09 15:17:15 (you can do this now, using the webos internals sdk...) Mar 09 15:17:27 true Mar 09 15:17:31 but its not from palm lol Mar 09 15:17:32 Palm has released their Plug-in Development Kit Beta for developers to allow them to create rich, 3D games and other native linux apps for webOS. Mar 09 15:19:04 and by "released" he means, "has not yet put up a working link" :) Mar 09 15:19:16 yea Mar 09 15:19:20 maybe they should edit hat Mar 09 15:19:21 lol Mar 09 15:19:21 that Mar 09 15:19:53 It'll probably start working when they get the 1.4 Eclipse plugin working Mar 09 15:21:32 well, they DID release it... Mar 09 15:21:43 somehow EA msut have ported NFSU and so on Mar 09 15:22:15 oh .. I just checked the eclipse plugin .. looks like they finally got that updated to 1.4 Mar 09 15:22:34 Wonder when that happened? I stopped trying a couple days after the 1.4 sdk came out Mar 09 15:26:49 komodo is better :-p Mar 09 15:27:11 jcrawford: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2294144#post2294144 Thanks for being willing to try out the 1.4 streaming audio fix. Those aren't the exact steps you did, but I that's the best way for people to get those files I think. Mar 09 15:27:32 yeah I'm going to switch to komodo after my current project Mar 09 15:28:09 Monroe: does the eclipse plugin support debugging yet? Mar 09 15:28:32 * drnull is tired of Mojo.Log.error all over his code Mar 09 15:28:38 Not that I know of. But I just updated to the 1.4 plugin about 3 minutes ago :) Mar 09 15:33:17 drnull: ah i did those steps (copy back in the luna-media-shim files) on my wifes pre... she could not preview ringtones Mar 09 15:33:42 dthought: awesome, so there's something else missing maybe? Mar 09 15:33:52 not sure. Mar 09 15:34:00 she can preview ringtones again, and is happy :-) Mar 09 15:34:21 oh, you're saying that those steps fixed the preview ringtones issue? Mar 09 15:34:26 the really weird thing is: she said she first was able to preview ringtones... Mar 09 15:34:34 yes. Mar 09 15:34:55 cool Mar 09 15:34:56 i did tar the media-shim dir on my pre and copied it to hers, though... but its basically the same Mar 09 15:35:17 right, that's what I did to test it, but I couldn't exactly post the tar to the forums... :) Mar 09 15:40:03 her pre was factory-new... (1.1.x was on it, german o2 pre). first thing was 1.4 update... Mar 09 15:40:38 afterwards, that bug did emerge... so no patches or whatever had been in contact with that pre Mar 09 15:41:06 hi atlanta: Mar 09 15:41:09 Public PDK Beta is out now Mar 09 15:41:18 It looks like it gives access to the mic Mar 09 15:41:24 Bmyers: wsup my lost buddy Mar 09 15:41:30 SDL (Simple DirectMedia Layer), a cross-platform multimedia library designed to provide low-level access to audio, keyboard, mouse, joystick, 3D hardware via OpenGL ES, and a 2D video frame buffer Mar 09 15:41:31 twbbas: whre Mar 09 15:41:32 ? Mar 09 15:41:36 atlanta: where u been? Mar 09 15:41:36 www.precentral.net Mar 09 15:41:41 Read first article Mar 09 15:41:45 there it is Mar 09 15:41:47 they finally updated Mar 09 15:41:52 coo coo heads Mar 09 15:42:06 Pretty neat I think Mar 09 15:42:13 A lot of cool apps will be coming out soon Mar 09 15:42:23 Bmyers: man work, school (got more focused), finishing my business plan, and working on a php project Mar 09 15:42:31 twbbas: yup yup Mar 09 15:42:35 im waiting for the tpain APP Mar 09 15:42:35 lol Mar 09 15:42:36 ahahahahah Mar 09 15:42:48 atlanta: well nice to see ya Mar 09 15:43:07 Bmyers: SAME Mar 09 15:43:08 dthought: right, with 1.4, the audio system changed, right? Palm put in a shim to redirect all requests to the old api through to the new api. Apparently, on a VERY small percentage of users, that failed to install properly. I don't think we know why. The only advice I've heard is either to doctor the phone or wait for the next (post 1.4) update. Mar 09 15:43:23 i had to come chat with my main man from webso Mar 09 15:43:23 webos Mar 09 15:43:23 lol Mar 09 15:43:25 oh. there will be another webos update in the first half of this year... Mar 09 15:43:37 Yea, there will have to be another webos update shortly to let these new pdk apps be available Mar 09 15:43:44 Palm says it when they explain the pdk beta Mar 09 15:43:49 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1850&Itemid=20 Mar 09 15:43:55 yeah, fetched the information there :) Mar 09 15:44:11 now the app i'm really waiting for: VoIP Mar 09 15:44:30 dthought: im working on it Mar 09 15:44:31 brb Mar 09 15:46:09 hmm. there is no public beta for linux :-( Mar 09 15:48:13 wtf, just read that too Mar 09 15:48:32 what kind of public beta is that when there is no linux support yet? Mar 09 15:49:00 a semi-public beta? Mar 09 15:49:09 a...uh...beta Mar 09 15:49:40 The PDK has Pixi support! Mar 09 15:49:55 haeffb ... did you get my email with the gps info? Mar 09 15:49:59 (they note that it does not yet support video and has no power management, aka low battery life) Mar 09 15:51:25 joetweeply: well, i guess the most valueable parts are the header files, and information how to compile... but its weird, yes Mar 09 15:53:36 it's very sad... palm keeps doing this stuff... releasing just to one part of the community... this is really disturbing Mar 09 15:56:13 so the accelerometer is a simple joystick to sdl programs Mar 09 15:56:39 joetweeply: i *guess* its... 80% of the users are using win or mac, we are on a tight schedule... Mar 09 15:57:13 joetweeply: no need to exaggerate. It's not disturbing. It's a beta. People kept bugging Palm to get stuff out sooner. So they did. Now you're complaining. Sheesh. Mar 09 15:57:18 Monroe: yes, Thanks! haven't looked at it yet, tho. Mar 09 15:57:26 yeah i understand the hardships of the company itself... it's just that as a european linux developer and palm user... you are in the worst position Mar 09 15:58:42 you don't have a spare win machine laying around? Mar 09 15:58:44 joetweeply: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -o simple simple.cpp "-I..\..\..\include" Mar 09 15:58:47 "-I..\..\..\include\SDL" "-L..\..\..\device\lib" -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined -lSDL -lGLESv2 Mar 09 15:58:50 ... Mar 09 15:58:53 that should be all thats really needed Mar 09 15:58:57 joetweeply: at least it doesn't require development only on a mac. :) Mar 09 15:59:08 haeffb_pre: i have access to windows, but... i dont want to use that Mar 09 15:59:12 thats true drnull Mar 09 15:59:47 haeffb_pre i don't have any Mar 09 16:00:03 thanks dthought ... i'll give it a try Mar 09 16:03:11 wtf Mar 09 16:03:24 the PDK supports Ogg Vorbis but webos doesnt Mar 09 16:03:59 hehe. :) Mar 09 16:04:10 heh Mar 09 16:04:25 i bet Audible support isn't far off now Mar 09 16:29:09 anyone else on Mac having issues getting PDK simple proj working? Mar 09 16:29:14 Templarian, hows the Komodo debugging going any update? Mar 09 16:29:33 drnull, did you see your suggestion WORKED! Mar 09 16:30:17 ah nice i see you posted on precentral about it :) Mar 09 16:30:29 jcrawford: i'm not doing debugging. Mar 09 16:30:42 Templarian, doh thought that was planned lol Mar 09 16:30:49 I'm trying to fix the stuff that has broken over time with more unbreakable future proof systems. Mar 09 16:31:16 jcrawford: nah I think I mentioned that it was far to complex for a simple open source job. Mar 09 16:31:33 It's something a full time salary person at Palm will have to provide. Mar 09 16:32:06 Templarian, call em up tell em you can do it but that they need to make you a salaried employee lol Mar 09 16:32:14 with what you have it might get your foot in the door hah Mar 09 16:32:19 jcrawford: did you see this http://random.templarian.com/appinfo.html Mar 09 16:32:35 haven't had time to follow any webos stuff so no, but looking now ;) Mar 09 16:32:55 very nice Mar 09 16:32:58 that should save some time :) Mar 09 16:33:01 That's what I'm trying to find time to integrate into the addon. Mar 09 16:33:20 jcrawford: I did, thanks for helping me find a solution for it! Mar 09 16:33:22 i thought that stuff was already in the addon ? Mar 09 16:33:34 ah cool Mar 09 16:33:41 nah that stuff is all hard coded and very very broken in 1.4 Mar 09 16:33:46 oh gotcha Mar 09 16:34:14 Templarian, have not had time due to life/work and now I work for Nokia so I may have to get into Maemo development lol j/k. Since I am an employee I cannot write apps for pay :( Mar 09 16:35:22 lol, nice about the jobs. I don't write apps for pay so you could just do the open source side of Maemo. Mar 09 16:36:45 I want to get this all fixed up as fast as possible because as you guys know i'm not likely going to start developing for WP7 as I believe it's future is more stable. Mar 09 16:37:17 http://random.templarian.com/appinfo.html nice Mar 09 16:37:34 s/not likely/very likely/ Mar 09 16:38:08 WP7? Mar 09 16:38:18 Windows Phone 7 Series. Mar 09 16:38:32 oh well Mar 09 16:38:39 MIX 2010 is coming up. I plan to own one of the phones at launch and a Courier so. :) Mar 09 16:39:09 And both will most likely use the same OS. Mar 09 16:39:10 Templarian, you suck :) stick with WebOS forget Windows like most others have LOL j/k Mar 09 16:39:39 I like the idea of not having to develop tools for developing applications. lol. Mar 09 16:40:16 * Templarian looks over at the fancy VS 2010 :) Mar 09 16:42:17 Templarian: the PDK uses VS Mar 09 16:42:21 can use it Mar 09 16:42:49 I don't know any low level languages. C# is as far as it goes since I come from a web background. Mar 09 16:43:44 So how is the PDK? Mar 09 16:44:18 I saw a little discussion. I guess it's what everyone had expected. Mar 09 16:48:22 drives me up the wall how many sites don't actually issue to-spec JSON Mar 09 16:50:30 How does one mess up json? Mar 09 16:52:46 sad... no Chuq or Adora Mar 09 16:57:59 Templarian: single quotes instead of double quotes, missing quotes entirely, commas where they don't belong... Mar 09 16:58:55 I guess they think that since JS can parse it, it's correct >.> Mar 09 16:59:07 unfortunately, that doesn't apply to many other JSON parsers, like PHP's :/ Mar 09 17:00:06 mmmm Mar 09 17:00:07 php Mar 09 17:08:36 http://pastie.org/861629 This is going to be the new project's default file. What info do most of you guys commonly have right now? Mar 09 17:10:31 pretty much that stuff, except for support. I roll my own support scene. Mar 09 17:11:59 splashicon and splashscreen Mar 09 17:12:07 haeffb_pre: welcome follower Mar 09 17:12:39 what, now you want people to worship you? Mar 09 17:12:40 :p Mar 09 17:12:47 I kid, kid Mar 09 17:12:49 hehe Mar 09 17:13:06 halfhalo: don't you? Mar 09 17:13:22 touche Mar 09 17:13:30 * MetaView grows and grows and becomes as big as the earth Mar 09 17:13:39 I bought a DVD boxset a couple weeks ago Mar 09 17:13:46 * halfhalo pops metaview Mar 09 17:14:03 whoops wrong chan Mar 09 17:14:07 pfffffffff Mar 09 17:14:25 yay for asm quizes Mar 09 17:14:26 alt+# fail Mar 09 17:15:11 app catalog reviews are funny Mar 09 17:15:17 MetaView: what are the properties for that I should definately add those. Mar 09 17:15:43 halfhalo: usually either funny or sad Mar 09 17:15:46 maybe: splashicon: icon.png Mar 09 17:15:55 MetaView: it is my pleasure to follow such an accomplished tweeter as yourself. Mar 09 17:16:07 and splashscreen: images/splashscreen.png Mar 09 17:16:08 well, I meant their retarted Mar 09 17:16:16 MetaView: thanks. Mar 09 17:16:52 sry: it's splashBackground Mar 09 17:16:57 and splashicon Mar 09 17:17:15 capital B? Mar 09 17:17:29 yes, that's what I have here Mar 09 17:17:32 and it works Mar 09 17:17:39 I upgraded my ipk bat script yesterday Mar 09 17:17:43 is json case sensititve? Mar 09 17:17:48 Yes. Mar 09 17:17:57 if the pre is plugged in, it installs to that Mar 09 17:18:04 then it's a capital B Mar 09 17:18:16 else, it launches the emulator and installs to that Mar 09 17:18:22 not bad Mar 09 17:18:34 * haeffb_pre is having tons of trouble with FireFox lately Mar 09 17:19:00 I can also send folders to palm-package by right clicking and going to send to Mar 09 17:19:02 halfhalo: isn't that the default? Mar 09 17:19:06 Hey chuqui. Quick question. Now that the PDK is freely available, If we now modify an existing app to include a plugin built with the PDK, would that app still be included in the contest? Mar 09 17:19:13 this is in windows Mar 09 17:19:18 via explorer Mar 09 17:20:30 * Templarian makes comment about addon doing same thing. Mar 09 17:21:33 off the top of my head, not sure. I can check, but note that wide distribution of PDK releases won't happen until later anyway.... Mar 09 17:21:35 (Note that distribution of apps built with the public beta PDK will require functionality provided in an upcoming Palm webOS update, to be released within the first half of this year. The current version of webOS supports limited distribution of games built with the private early-access PDK, but the technologies and processes that enable this limited distribution don’t allow for wider distribution.) Mar 09 17:21:47 yeah, but mines for lazyness type people Mar 09 17:22:23 all it is is a bat script that launches palm crap Mar 09 17:22:48 although I stand by my statement that webos phones need device stage Mar 09 17:23:06 * halfhalo puts his foot down on the devicestage issue Mar 09 17:23:58 it's just a better experience on windows 7 Mar 09 17:25:04 so, chuqui, are you saying that if we start building browser plugins, it is possible that we may not be able to distribute those apps quite yet... Mar 09 17:25:04 and it could be so epic for device management Mar 09 17:27:12 basically gotta wait til they disable PDK apps running as root, :P Mar 09 17:28:02 Kyusaku: right... I wondered about that. Mar 09 17:28:39 Does "theme" and "noWindow" still exist in the appinfo.json? Mar 09 17:29:22 i somehow suspect they'll do a chroot and restricted user... Mar 09 17:29:56 (documentation is still as absolutely horrible chuqui lots of outdated and unsupported information) Mar 09 17:31:14 hmmmm Mar 09 17:31:28 I may be tasked to write a csun webos app Mar 09 17:31:36 that should be fun Mar 09 17:32:28 chuqui: if you get second go over to the documenation people and show them this page: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1748&Itemid=43 Mar 09 17:33:04 * Templarian heads off to lunch while trying to figure what still should be in an appinfo.json and what shouldn't. Mar 09 17:33:24 lol Mar 09 17:33:38 * halfhalo preparea for a asm quiz right now Mar 09 17:34:41 what about that page? Mar 09 17:35:29 I think he is referring to the fact it has none of the new fields. Like splashBackground or support, etc. Mar 09 17:36:00 and that is still says "miniicon" rather than "smallicon" Mar 09 17:36:04 stuff like that Mar 09 17:37:15 i think he just had a low sugar level and needed food. Mar 09 17:37:22 :) Mar 09 17:37:39 haha. Templarian needs a cookie. Mar 09 17:37:49 ah, I see the issue higher up. passed along to doc folks. Mar 09 17:53:42 chuqui: thanks. :) Mar 09 17:53:51 ok im back Mar 09 17:54:26 anybody found anything fun in the pdk Mar 09 17:54:44 access to the mic Mar 09 17:54:45 ? Mar 09 17:55:47 Other than ogg I think it has been pretty standard. Mar 09 18:14:25 omg i freaking love javascript Mar 09 18:18:40 * ball starts reading about WebOS Mar 09 18:20:25 I either aced that or just failed Mar 09 18:22:56 let's hope for the former Mar 09 18:25:00 well, I think I added wrong Mar 09 18:25:10 which may have screwed me up Mar 09 18:25:24 sadpandaface Mar 09 18:25:30 I remember one of my programming classes, the final had 4 problems. I managed to finish 2 of them, and just barely start on the third. I knew I had failed miserably. When I got the results, I had gotten a B, thank god for the curve :) Mar 09 18:26:51 I do not like quiz's that require me to dissasemble assembly programs Mar 09 18:29:04 * dkirker hates programming on paper Mar 09 18:29:30 * halfhalo does also Mar 09 18:30:17 * halfhalo also totally forgot how to go from hex to binary until the teacher moved revealing a diagram on the board Mar 09 18:31:06 halfhalo: I do that on my fingers Mar 09 18:31:15 (well, I used to. Now I do it in my head) Mar 09 18:31:20 My brain is slow at numbers... :/ Mar 09 18:31:33 halfhalo: hex, binary and octal are fine, it's base-10 that messes with my mind. Mar 09 18:31:34 heh Mar 09 18:31:56 I was just drawing a blank as to what they even meant Mar 09 18:32:06 * Templarian being an accounting major only has to deal with base 10. Mar 09 18:32:24 and then I realized how binary works again and all was good Mar 09 18:33:26 My brother reads binary almost since he's written his packet manager in like 4 different languages. lol. He has fun pointing at binary going isn't this awesome. Mar 09 18:33:51 heh Mar 09 18:33:56 Just watch out when he wakes up one morning and all he knows how to write is in binary. Mar 09 18:34:06 I'm not a fan, but I needed another class Mar 09 18:34:29 hence why I'm also taking adv data structures Mar 09 18:34:46 Silly CS majors, just be happy your not a CIS major I think everyone looks down on them. lol. Mar 09 18:34:53 PDK finished installation Mar 09 18:34:58 * MetaView starts VS Mar 09 18:35:17 Check if VS 2010 works (if that is what you are using). Mar 09 18:35:22 Templarian: I should probably be a CS with a CIS minor. Not just plain CS. Mar 09 18:35:31 I would presume it would since it's basically the same thing for this stuff. Mar 09 18:35:40 * halfhalo is not dealing with pdk stuff Mar 09 18:35:46 to much effort Mar 09 18:37:05 I need to write a method to cache images Mar 09 18:37:07 dkirker: i've found the CS majors make the CIS majors look like beginners. Not sure if is the same where you are. Mar 09 18:37:59 CS classes start with the idea you know the language and all fundamentals. CIS classes start with the basic. Kind of funny. Mar 09 18:38:07 Templarian: It is. They are also different areas of interest. So I would expect that a CIS wouldn't sit at a computer and write C++, rather, he'd be a sys admin, or managing sys admins (or even other programers). Mar 09 18:39:26 Time to get ready and go to work. :) Mar 09 18:39:27 dkirker: I'm sure there are good CIS majors I worked with a CIS senior and I'm an accounting major... dude barely knew how to structure a database. Mar 09 18:39:40 first doc error: It's Palm/PDK/Host/lib Mar 09 18:39:55 Templarian: I use VC++ 6.0 Mar 09 18:40:01 Templarian: I think that the CS and CIS departments here should work together. Mar 09 18:40:12 visual studio here i come Mar 09 18:40:33 * Templarian thinks all this talk about VS makes him excited for MIX 2010. Mar 09 18:40:47 what is MIX Mar 09 18:40:47 ? Mar 09 18:41:00 nevermind Mar 09 18:41:03 google was my friend Mar 09 18:41:16 lol Mar 09 18:41:40 "The simple solution file is not backward compatible with 2003. " Who speaks about 2003? 6.0 is the way to go... Mar 09 18:41:44 Yea... think of it as developer heaven for 3 days. I'm mostly hoping they release the sdk soon. Mar 09 18:42:47 cool Mar 09 18:42:49 MetaView: Why not use the current version? Mar 09 18:42:52 MetaView: u thinbk Mar 09 18:42:54 lol Mar 09 18:44:02 Templarian: everything newer is horrible slow Mar 09 18:44:13 MetaView: negative Mar 09 18:44:18 MetaView: must be your computer Mar 09 18:44:18 lol Mar 09 18:44:23 especially 2003 had all dialogs made of HTML files, terrible Mar 09 18:44:27 VS 2010 is nice and smooth. Mar 09 18:44:38 you never had 6.0 Mar 09 18:44:41 * atlanta seconds Templarian opinion Mar 09 18:44:57 2010 u can select what type Mar 09 18:45:06 Plus the UI changes are all for the better. Kind of suprised to not find a ribbon. Mar 09 18:45:49 On that note hopefully they release the 2010 Office UI soon. Mar 09 18:46:00 I like 6.0, lot of space for the source code, small icons, and the build can be interrupt, something 2007(?) is lacking Mar 09 18:47:19 MetaView: larger monitor? Mar 09 18:47:53 http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/ << :) Mar 09 18:48:29 Templarian: lol Mar 09 18:54:53 evening Mar 09 18:55:17 mornin Mar 09 18:56:28 if i wanted to implement ajax into a real website i'm making i'll need to import a library like prototype, right? Mar 09 18:56:44 yeah Mar 09 18:57:09 not really Mar 09 18:57:18 Or write the JS by hand (but you are use to prototype probably so go with it). Mar 09 18:57:37 using prototype/jquery is probably easier Mar 09 18:57:53 yea prototype and jquery ftw Mar 09 18:57:54 but by hand is also not rocket science .. if you want to know how it works Mar 09 18:58:18 btw: http://www.jqtouch.com/ .. cool stuff Mar 09 18:59:39 needs some css for the mojo look of the widgets Mar 09 19:01:14 swisstomcat: the controlls take 2 seconds to recreate (the WoW Armory application doesn't even use Mojo). Mar 09 19:01:26 have you used it, templarian? Mar 09 19:02:08 Nope. But in general the CSS for creating the widgets is pretty basic. Mar 09 19:03:21 i'll have to try it out .. looks interesting Mar 09 19:03:27 and cross-platform Mar 09 19:30:20 Templarian: damn... jqtouch looks slick Mar 09 19:31:00 Never used it looks nice. Mar 09 19:31:53 e.g http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/post/3029/campaign-monitor-for-your-iphone/ Mar 09 19:32:19 time to create a webos/mojo skin Mar 09 19:43:11 cool ... "The following API calls allow developers to connect Javascript (Mojo) applications to their own PDK-based services and functions" Mar 09 19:43:18 reading more about the PDK Mar 09 19:44:21 That's kind of the whole idea behind it being "plugins". Mar 09 19:44:32 interesssting........... Mar 09 19:44:41 I have to have a middleman thing set up Mar 09 19:44:57 it's new to me that you can have mojo apps calling your own pdk-services/functions Mar 09 19:45:36 The whole reason why I started to extend my framework rather than mojo since this functionality was enevitable. Mar 09 19:47:15 man Mar 09 19:47:27 i hate coding for hours.. so much untested junk to sort out Mar 09 19:47:40 you hsould just give up .... ;) Mar 09 19:47:49 oh no im so ahead ;p Mar 09 19:47:54 hehe Mar 09 19:47:57 just working on background and gui now Mar 09 19:47:58 I'm sure you are Mar 09 19:49:09 * Templarian is writing XUL trying not to go crazy. Mar 09 19:51:08 "Just as soon as Palm adds the required functionality for SDK apps to communicate with the PDK plugins." -> that must be the OS update they are talking about. (mid year) Mar 09 19:56:19 swisstomcat: where's that quote from? Mar 09 19:57:44 discussion in the developer forums Mar 09 19:57:55 I need to go from my php script to xml Mar 09 19:58:04 since I can know poll game info for certain games Mar 09 20:03:37 hey noaXess Mar 09 20:06:09 swisstomcat: hey :) Mar 09 20:06:23 netubu? Mar 09 20:07:10 my netbook.. asus eeepc t91mt :) with kubuntu.. testet also with ubuntu netbook edition Mar 09 20:07:44 it have a multitouch screen.. and kernel dev's are working on it to get running as a HID device.. Mar 09 20:08:30 heh Mar 09 20:08:50 Amy (she told me her name 6 times ..) from the Palm Specialist team just called me to see if my issue was ever fixed Mar 09 20:09:02 she told me i did great trouble shooting.. lol Mar 09 20:09:11 chat support wanted me to wipe my phone Mar 09 20:10:06 but i figured it out, you cannot update info for purchasing apps in the catalog, but you can remove the account and readd it. Mar 09 20:10:17 updating always ends up with a purchase failure Mar 09 20:12:18 Howdy folks. Mar 09 20:12:32 hello there Mar 09 20:12:55 hey Mar 09 20:15:02 what about the new games from ea, need for speed? can't install them Mar 09 20:15:35 can't install or download? Mar 09 20:16:03 i get information that they are not available inmy country.. i thought that with 1.4 is that solved? Mar 09 20:16:54 hey all Mar 09 20:17:27 hey codeslaw Mar 09 20:17:48 codeslaw: salute Mar 09 20:17:53 did you read all about the pdk, codeslaw .. especially mojo/pdk service interaction? Mar 09 20:18:22 not yet, been busy being sick in my bed Mar 09 20:19:14 oh no Mar 09 20:20:03 ill check it out Mar 09 20:20:21 gallery got approved today, and when i woke up, about 140 submissions to approve/delete Mar 09 20:20:39 including real photographs Mar 09 20:20:43 and wall papers Mar 09 20:20:49 and random shit people decided to upload Mar 09 20:20:55 but also some really good paintings Mar 09 20:28:02 i needto writea sdk in javascript for funambol.. they target is, to create a webos client, with this sdk... need some help to build this sdk.. Mar 09 20:28:52 noaXess_netubu: there might be multiple versions of need for sppe, monopoly ... Mar 09 20:30:40 dthought: ifi search in preware i get: Need for Speed Undercover (Free) v20.0.48 and Need for Speed Undercover v20.0.29 Mar 09 20:31:13 soo Mar 09 20:31:39 (free) .48 is the version i can install. (germany) Mar 09 20:31:42 in multistage, if i have a function in AppAssistant, i can access that from my scene assistants by using this.functionName() ? Mar 09 20:32:12 dthought: i can't install .48.. switzerland Mar 09 20:33:07 * Monroe formulates response that will lead dawm far down the wrong path ... Mar 09 20:33:12 hah Mar 09 20:33:13 ITS ALIVE!!!!!! Mar 09 20:33:43 the appcatalog catalog is starting and the the above message..not available Mar 09 20:36:04 dawm: I don't think so Mar 09 20:36:12 wahahahahahahahha Mar 09 20:36:21 I know have server querying for source games Mar 09 20:37:00 Monroe: sorry Mar 09 20:37:07 hehe Mar 09 20:37:34 SEe if I help you with GPS stuff again!!! :) Mar 09 20:38:09 i have way too much untested code to even be sure any of this works heh Mar 09 20:38:21 altho the code looks stellar ;P Mar 09 20:38:37 Hard to make me too upset today, as I found out I may be going to Austria for a week for free! Mar 09 20:38:50 dawm: in AppAssist constructor: Gbl.appAssist = this; Mar 09 20:39:06 huh Mar 09 20:39:15 noaXess: can't install? get any errors? Mar 09 20:39:29 in Scene Gbl.appAssist.MyFunc(); Mar 09 20:39:48 monroe: hop over to switzerland on your way Mar 09 20:39:51 that's worked for me. may be a better way. Mar 09 20:40:11 where Gbl is a global object Mar 09 20:41:28 Monroe: I take no sides... :) Mar 09 20:41:33 i just saw a movie wheren dion was doing an app without mojo .. just some prototype stuff (e.g handler) Mar 09 20:42:01 No can do ... The trip would be with my folks. My dad won a trip through his work, and someone backed out so me & wifey might be able to go in their place. Itinerary is set Mar 09 20:42:20 oh well Mar 09 20:42:30 could have showed you zurich or so Mar 09 20:44:37 I've already lamented the fact that my Pre is not GSM, and so I'll be out of luck while over there :( Mar 09 20:46:43 Monroe: austria? they should have wifi here and there... Mar 09 20:46:56 yeah Mar 09 20:47:04 * dthought is from germany... Mar 09 20:47:28 That's too bad. Mar 09 20:47:30 But at this point I'm addicted .. If I had to go a day here where my phone only worked in wifi locations ... Oh man I'd go insane! Mar 09 20:48:04 * Monroe would be flying into Germany ... Munich to be exact Mar 09 20:48:16 nice airport :) Mar 09 20:48:45 I've been to Berlin ... This will be my first trip to Munich Mar 09 20:49:29 * digitalpowers is jealous cause i have never been outside to US Mar 09 20:49:52 to speak of, i have been to canada but that is just north minnesota Mar 09 20:50:51 I've never been to the great white north Mar 09 20:51:17 i once was in new york... but that was 10 years ago Mar 09 20:51:22 or 8 *thinking* Mar 09 20:51:38 10 Mar 09 20:51:47 I was in Berlin about a week before the 2006 World Cup ... awesome! Mar 09 20:51:48 have been . Mar 09 20:52:42 Too bad it wasn't DURING the WC though .. That would've been even better Mar 09 20:57:15 anyone got a decent timer app? Mar 09 20:57:25 like bigeclock for palm os? Mar 09 21:00:41 muhahah Mar 09 21:00:46 no serious errors ;D Mar 09 21:00:58 depot works as intended too Mar 09 21:37:33 My work keeps requiring too much work ... I'll never catch dawm at this rate! Mar 09 21:37:42 same here Mar 09 21:37:48 PDK isn't available for Linux, but I get the impression it's not really doing anything beyond standard tools like gcc. Mar 09 21:37:59 So, in theory, I should just be able to use the standard tools, yeah? Mar 09 21:38:26 Everyday I think about all the webOS programming I'm going to get done at work ... And then I get here and have all this work to do .. lame ... Mar 09 21:38:54 find a job where you can do webOS programming :) Mar 09 21:38:55 PDK makes me want to learn about the LLVM compilation process. :) Mar 09 21:39:40 Maybe dawm will give me a job to finish his app that I'm writing anyway :) Mar 09 21:39:51 hah Mar 09 21:40:46 jeffwheeler: for Linux, just use the WIDK Mar 09 21:41:32 rwhitby: it looks like frankly, I don't need any specialized tools at all Mar 09 21:41:41 I can just look at their scripts and link to SDL Mar 09 21:41:59 jeffwheeler: if you know how to cross-compile already, and use the right CS toolchain for glibc 2.5, you're set. Mar 09 21:42:00 I'm just playing so that I can compile from Haskell. Because that'd be amazing. Mar 09 21:42:19 It'll require going through LLVM. Which I want to learn about anyways. Mar 09 21:42:40 The Haskell compiler has a new LLVM backend that should have no trouble going to ARM. Mar 09 21:43:08 waits to see if his app refires in 1 minute Mar 09 21:43:23 woot Mar 09 21:44:44 I don't see how to connect via SSH; the PDK guide seems to connect to root@localhost:10022, which won't work without some daemon. Mar 09 21:44:57 5522? Mar 09 21:45:16 swisstomcat, http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1938&Itemid=337 Mar 09 21:45:20 In the Putty config Mar 09 21:45:38 Not sure what's listening to 10022 Mar 09 21:46:09 5522 is the emulator Mar 09 21:46:33 Oh, that might be part of the standard SDK, so that it can install packages? Mar 09 21:46:37 I should probably bother to install that. Mar 09 21:47:04 It's kinda a pain, because I'm running Ubuntu+1, for which there isn't a vbox yet. Mar 09 21:47:19 oh Mar 09 21:51:25 jeffwheeler: which ubuntu do you use? Mar 09 21:51:27 hi Mar 09 21:51:44 is it possible to test pdk-based apps using the emulator ? Mar 09 21:51:47 dthought, Lucid alpha Mar 09 21:51:53 jeffwheeler: ah. 11-04 ? Mar 09 21:52:00 dthought, 10.04 Mar 09 21:52:05 10-04 , sorry ,) Mar 09 21:52:25 Yeah, I like to be on the cutting edge. It's like a rush. Mar 09 21:52:36 did you try installing the virtualbox from ubuntu 9.4? Mar 09 21:52:46 I just did that. I don't like it, but heh. Mar 09 21:53:24 it's chuq! Mar 09 21:53:46 quickly, hide the loot Mar 09 21:53:48 * Monroe ducks to avoid the swarm of questions about to fly Mar 09 21:54:42 jeffwheeler: i ssh into my pre using openssh from preware... Mar 09 21:54:49 warpdesign: haven't tested it yet Mar 09 21:55:02 swisstomcat: ok Mar 09 21:55:10 dthought, I think novacomd should provide whatever functionality I need Mar 09 21:55:24 whas goin on mah? Mar 09 21:55:27 swisstomcat: I guess opengl apps won't work for sure.. but there's no reason why 2d stuff shouldn't work Mar 09 21:55:53 what is the param for the splash icon? is it just "splashIcon"? Mar 09 21:56:48 they only seem to mention the device in the docs Mar 09 21:58:11 g'night everyone Mar 09 22:00:25 lyht, splaceIcon? Mar 09 22:01:17 splace, splash. I was taking a blath. Mar 09 22:01:43 night swiss Mar 09 22:01:52 doh! too late Mar 09 22:02:00 HAHAHA Mar 09 22:02:02 Monroe Mar 09 22:02:04 IT WORKS Mar 09 22:02:08 Nooo Mar 09 22:02:10 !!!! Mar 09 22:02:24 now i just have to do the GUI Mar 09 22:02:24 I bet it's a huge battery drain! Mar 09 22:02:29 s/bet/hope Mar 09 22:02:40 only if the user wants it to be Mar 09 22:02:44 its got settings ;p Mar 09 22:03:01 damn! Why did I suggest that publicly ... ;) Mar 09 22:03:10 oh i already had those ideas Mar 09 22:03:47 hrm Mar 09 22:04:20 So this PDK is going to cause a lot more cross-talk between #webos and #webos-internals :-) Mar 09 22:04:43 dawm: hrm? Mar 09 22:04:59 ill have to test on the device, i think my emu's broke Mar 09 22:05:14 I think your App is broke! ;) Mar 09 22:05:26 no not my app Mar 09 22:05:42 my app is running on auto Mar 09 22:05:53 but the stock ringtone app isnt working Mar 09 22:06:06 but that could be due to it being an emu Mar 09 22:06:43 rwhitby: could be, could be. But maybe webos-internals will shift more into continued modification of webos, and patching, etc. and less about app development. Mar 09 22:08:05 night all (except you dawm) :) Mar 09 22:11:22 is it bigIcon? Mar 09 22:11:49 lol Mar 09 22:12:31 oh, its splashicon... not a capital "i" Mar 09 22:13:07 why can't they be consistent. Mar 09 22:13:18 anyone ever encounter "upgrade not upgraded correctly contact palm" in blue letters? when trying to update a IPK? Mar 09 22:14:44 'afternoon Adora Mar 09 22:14:58 dkirker-calpoly: heya! Mar 09 22:15:38 Looks like this channel has grown. :) Mar 09 22:16:09 lots to talk about now! Mar 09 22:16:10 hehehe Mar 09 22:16:34 Indeed. I downloaded the PDK earlier. Spending time looking over it. Seems to be a lot to understand. Mar 09 22:17:02 nah, there is nothin much going on in webos-land Mar 09 22:17:19 dkirker-calpoly: I haven't even gone over the docs yet, myself Mar 09 22:17:36 going to have to lock myself in a room with them and a pot of coffee before GDC Mar 09 22:17:40 I haven't either. :/ Just poking through the headers. Mar 09 22:17:43 (the expo doesn't start for a few more days) Mar 09 22:29:44 dkirker-calpoly: it's just SDL, OpenGL and PDL packaged for Windows and Mac. You could have been using the WIDK for the last three months and you'd know all about it now :-) Mar 09 22:30:30 rwhitby: Yeah. That's what I can tell so far. I installed the WIDK. Didn't really have time a couple of months ago to do much of anything. :/ Mar 09 22:30:58 PDL_Services.h does intrigue me, though. Mar 09 22:30:59 dkirker-calpoly: don't get me wrong, the packaging for Windows and Mac is huge for kick-starting development compared to the experts-only WIDK. Mar 09 22:31:19 Indeed :) Mar 09 22:31:30 So I'm big thumbs up for the PDK personally. Mar 09 22:39:02 hrm.. Mar 09 22:39:30 ? Mar 09 22:39:56 ran into a api issue.. which makes no sense to me why we shouldnt be allowed to use it Mar 09 22:40:06 heh Mar 09 22:40:07 you cant change ringtone volume Mar 09 22:40:13 steamcommunities isn't up Mar 09 22:40:16 which sucks... Mar 09 22:40:18 PDK came out with 1.4 SDK? Mar 09 22:40:27 pdk came out this morning Mar 09 22:40:33 sdk last week Mar 09 22:40:37 oh sweet Mar 09 22:40:39 /drool Mar 09 22:40:46 or 2 weeks, dunno been awhile Mar 09 22:40:50 ya Mar 09 22:40:53 stupid real work getting in the way of playing with the pdk Mar 09 22:41:05 digitalpowers: nodoubt Mar 09 22:41:09 i never really looked into it, i just figured it came out with the SDK. fun times Mar 09 22:42:41 LAME Mar 09 22:42:51 another api issue Mar 09 22:43:02 hah Mar 09 22:43:19 at least I think my game server middleware is working Mar 09 22:43:48 I query it for a list of supported games and their protocols Mar 09 22:44:00 then do a lookup on the phone and see if the current game is supported Mar 09 22:44:06 then query it again for player information Mar 09 22:45:11 well that makes it simple.. only 1 friggen option allowed Mar 09 22:45:22 will have to petition access Mar 09 22:47:22 dawm: can you at least ring/not ring? Mar 09 22:47:32 what are you fighting with dawm? Mar 09 22:47:51 only way would be a null ringer Mar 09 22:48:20 i dont see why we dont have access to ringtone volume and vibrate settings, the API is there just not allowed for non com.palm.* Mar 09 22:48:47 ive got all the code already built, so ill continue and just uncomment when access is granted Mar 09 22:49:04 now to make the GUI ;D Mar 09 22:49:29 lol Mar 09 22:50:04 I should really stick in a check to see if steam is down or not Mar 09 22:50:23 dawm: make a version for homebrew Mar 09 22:50:42 sure Mar 09 22:55:52 alrighty then Mar 09 22:55:53 bbl Mar 09 23:06:56 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2293642 - WebOS Internals and Preware server outage starting now!!! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 09 23:10:55 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 10 21:48:18 2010 Mar 10 22:07:29 the slowness of the imageview widget is absurd. it HAS to be doing somehting ridiculous on the backend Mar 10 22:08:02 30 seconds to view an image, that took 3-4 seconds on the previous scene? Mar 10 22:08:05 there is a problem Mar 10 22:24:50 any php peeps in here? Mar 10 22:25:44 i prefer the rabbit and chick peeps. Mar 10 22:26:02 only when microwaved though **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 11 09:00:14 2010 Mar 11 09:11:58 good morning Mar 11 09:12:04 oi Mar 11 09:12:06 bad morning Mar 11 09:12:15 think so too Mar 11 09:12:36 webos is frustrating to dev for Mar 11 09:12:45 pdk for a linuxphone but not a linux pdk? Mar 11 09:12:48 FAIL Mar 11 09:12:49 FAIL Mar 11 09:12:53 BIG FAIL Mar 11 09:13:59 meh Mar 11 09:14:07 who cares pdk was kind of anticlimatic Mar 11 09:15:02 rly? Mar 11 09:15:29 dude Mar 11 09:15:49 lets build a "sdk" called pdk, allow you to draw with opengl and play media Mar 11 09:15:52 done... ok Mar 11 09:15:54 build amazing apps Mar 11 09:15:55 wtf Mar 11 09:22:06 ron_frown, what's wrong with using a virtual machine? Mar 11 09:22:32 boundaries are for the weak minded ;) Mar 11 09:22:57 I guess what I mean to say is if you were wanting to soley write games with it Mar 11 09:23:30 and wanted a 3d game with opengl and sound Mar 11 09:23:34 I guess pdk makes sense Mar 11 09:23:35 o Mar 11 09:23:42 therwise most of everything else is kind of pointless Mar 11 09:28:52 * bhuey hopes that Palm will survive Mar 11 09:29:49 they got a pretty impressive thing going with the os Mar 11 09:30:06 if they opened that up, or plopped it into a next gen device... things could get REAL cool Mar 11 09:32:57 seems like somethings in the sdk need to go bye bye Mar 11 09:33:07 html5 media stuff for anything other than streaming is a waste Mar 11 09:33:17 too damn slow to start up an audio object and repeatedly hit it Mar 11 09:33:22 as you might do in a video game Mar 11 09:40:10 welcome meesta Mar 11 09:40:30 did u test the new pdk? Mar 11 09:40:33 ;) Mar 11 09:41:12 meh Mar 11 09:49:03 Does http://www.webos-internals.org/ resolve to the right place for anyone yet or does everyone still see the outage page? Mar 11 09:49:54 outage Mar 11 09:50:00 (germany) Mar 11 09:50:07 works for me Mar 11 09:50:22 grndslm: wiki is working fine? Mar 11 09:50:45 yup Mar 11 09:50:50 excellent Mar 11 09:51:17 now to make me really happy you're supposed to say that it's much faster than it was before the upgrade ... Mar 11 09:51:26 actually, it is Mar 11 09:51:43 a bit faster indeed Mar 11 09:52:59 how much faster (I don't have DNS propagation yet) Mar 11 09:54:12 honestly, i don't exactly remember the speed before... i usually load multiple background tabs all at once, so i don't notice it Mar 11 09:54:27 but it is damn near instantaneous for me... which it wasn't before Mar 11 09:55:35 I guess we didn't have a 36 hour outage for nothing then :-) Mar 11 09:55:50 rwhitby: i bet if you added some SSDs in RAID, it'd be even quicker!! :P Mar 11 09:56:19 It's likely to be serving all pages out of RAM now ... Mar 11 09:56:30 (once the varnish cache fills) Mar 11 09:56:34 i'm gonna have to sit down and actually study the wiki now Mar 11 09:56:48 should have some free time in the next couple days :) Mar 11 12:31:02 hi Mar 11 12:31:29 Does anyone have any ideas when the Adult Filtering will be up and running? Mar 11 12:32:10 Hello? Mar 11 12:33:35 erm, this channel is not as useful as I thought it would be...! Mar 11 12:34:36 Does anyone actually talk on here...at all? Mar 11 12:36:17 Guess not. Mar 11 12:52:17 lol... patience is a virtue Mar 11 13:25:36 Is anyone talking today? Mar 11 13:26:12 I think a better question would be is anyone awake. Mar 11 13:29:29 True! Mar 11 13:29:34 Is anyone awake? Mar 11 13:31:09 kinda Mar 11 13:31:18 and you really gotta be patient Mar 11 13:31:35 Good point! Mar 11 13:32:12 so whats up? Mar 11 13:32:16 I was chatting with Chuq yesterday...does anyone know when to expect the Adult Filtering to come into operation in the catalogue? Mar 11 13:32:39 can't help you with that, sorry Mar 11 13:36:46 Hey Joe, are you a developer? Mar 11 13:43:41 yup Mar 11 13:43:46 but not for palm Mar 11 13:55:49 Is anyone here an active Palm app developer? Mar 11 13:57:29 define 'active' Mar 11 13:58:10 engaged in action; characterized by energetic work, participation, etc. Mar 11 13:59:35 oh. then, no. Mar 11 13:59:59 hehe .. I just got here, so I have no idea what you are talking about :) Mar 11 14:00:58 is there a category of half-hearted passive Palm app developers? Mar 11 14:01:19 I know at least one :) Mar 11 14:01:45 TheBounder asked 'Is anyone here an active Palm app developer?' Mar 11 14:02:04 well i am a developer for palm applications, just not an employed palm corp. developer, that's what i meant Mar 11 14:09:29 Ah ... I'm a lazy Palm app developer ... does that count? Mar 11 14:13:39 i guess every good developer is a lazy developer Mar 11 14:13:49 * dthought finished the first parts of my first application yesterday, managed to fill and format a list widget with predefined data... Mar 11 14:14:12 so i create code where i use as little lines of code for as much funcitonality as possible, with as little redundancy as possible Mar 11 14:14:30 Has anyone released a paid app yet? Mar 11 14:14:33 with ares dthought? Mar 11 14:14:42 nope.. here in europe i can't right now Mar 11 14:14:52 I've done a couple with Ares. Mar 11 14:15:27 i like ares a lot Mar 11 14:15:34 eases up much with widgets Mar 11 14:15:38 Yeah, it's not bad. Mar 11 14:15:52 Has anyone released a paid app yet? Mar 11 14:16:01 all this binding of listeners and releasing them is done by it Mar 11 14:16:16 i am planning to as soon as i am able here in europe Mar 11 14:16:51 I have not .. people keep stealing my ideas Mar 11 14:17:02 * Monroe glares at dawm Mar 11 14:17:04 :) Mar 11 14:17:27 i guess i stole one of your ideas too Monroe Mar 11 14:17:41 or wasn't it you who showed to me that todo list page? Mar 11 14:18:00 hmmm I don't think so? Mar 11 14:18:14 okay then ^^ Mar 11 14:18:30 anyone familiar with google searcha api's? Mar 11 14:18:30 Any ideas when the Europe paid app section will be ready? Mar 11 14:18:39 only thing i did not use yet is multistage apps and background jobs Mar 11 14:18:47 well i got an email that told.. end of march Mar 11 14:20:45 I recieved an email saying the Adult Filter may be working by the end of this week. Mar 11 14:21:16 what's the Adult Filter? Mar 11 14:24:07 They're going to allow saucier content. Mar 11 14:24:21 as I understand. Mar 11 14:24:32 Ah and a filter to be able to turn it off? Mar 11 14:24:48 I just had an App rejected and was told to wait for the Adult Filter when it would be approved. Mar 11 14:26:21 And the app wasn't even any nakedness or anything. Mar 11 14:29:06 more like a Carry On film. Mar 11 14:35:13 joetweeply: you may have stolen one of my ideas...! Mar 11 14:37:14 Anyone ever used templates in conjunction with a command menu? Mar 11 14:53:55 haeffb_pre ... nah not stolen.. just checked it with my system Mar 11 17:00:42 hey Mar 11 17:00:52 ho Mar 11 17:02:33 so... i hit my webservice via AJAX.request Mar 11 17:02:47 k Mar 11 17:02:49 if it returns 320 objects in a json file (~69k) everything works Mar 11 17:03:03 if i up the limit over 320, it breaks Mar 11 17:03:07 :( Mar 11 17:03:14 doh! Mar 11 17:03:56 file limit? parsing error? 10 second timeout? Mar 11 17:03:57 i dont know Mar 11 17:04:04 but wtf Mar 11 17:04:48 I thinks I am going to split my lookup app into 2 Mar 11 17:04:50 or 3 Mar 11 17:05:49 that's a head scratcher codeslaw Mar 11 17:06:00 ya Mar 11 17:06:07 what did you break codeslaw Mar 11 17:06:20 repeat incoming: Mar 11 17:06:26 i hit my webservice via AJAX.request Mar 11 17:06:32 if it returns 320 objects in a json file (~69k) everything works Mar 11 17:06:38 if i up the limit over 320, it breaks Mar 11 17:06:40 I assume the returned data contains several properties for each item? Mar 11 17:06:47 Monroe: yes Mar 11 17:07:03 HOWEVER, it works in the emulator Mar 11 17:07:11 forgot to mention that Mar 11 17:07:21 i have a feeling it is the 10 second time out, parsing that massive json Mar 11 17:07:22 Perhaps try only parsing 1 property for each item and see if that gets you past 320. If so, you can probably bet on timeout error Mar 11 17:07:28 I know what it is! Mar 11 17:07:35 I think Mar 11 17:07:47 <- is excited to hear what you think Mar 11 17:08:02 What is the main difference between the emulator and the phone with regards to network Mar 11 17:08:13 speed Mar 11 17:08:21 AND? Mar 11 17:08:28 Its limited to 64KB Mar 11 17:08:36 seriously? Mar 11 17:08:42 64KB/s Mar 11 17:08:55 ok Mar 11 17:08:56 doh! Mar 11 17:09:13 I'm betting that has somehting to do with it Mar 11 17:09:17 but there isn't a filesize limit Mar 11 17:09:28 just a bandwidth limit Mar 11 17:09:43 I don't think there is a filesize limit Mar 11 17:09:55 well, thats not really truee Mar 11 17:10:39 if its big enough to take longer than 10 seconds to transfer ajax.request will fail Mar 11 17:10:51 Well ... if it's 64K/s ... then you should be able to get 640K before the 10 second limit ... Of course then you have no time left to parse Mar 11 17:11:19 time limit shouldn't be imposed on the actual act of downloading the data, because its asynchronous Mar 11 17:11:21 only the parsing Mar 11 17:11:21 but, Mar 11 17:11:29 i think i am hitting 10 seconds on the parsing limit... Mar 11 17:11:49 store it as a variable in the scene Mar 11 17:11:58 then parse in another function? Mar 11 17:12:35 parsing will take the same amount of time no matter where its done Mar 11 17:13:07 * Monroe is wondering how the 10 second limit will affect his google maps api loading ... Mar 11 17:13:18 yeah, but if the ajax.request is waiting for it to finish and thats where its timing out, then that should solve that problem Mar 11 17:13:24 good thing i put a "beta" tag on my gallery scene Mar 11 17:13:38 * facepalm Mar 11 17:14:21 if the parsing is violating the 10 sec. rule, you could probably break that up fairly easily Mar 11 17:15:03 ideally, i could break up parsing a SINGLE json function into chunks Mar 11 17:15:19 but likely, i'll have to get multiple json files Mar 11 17:17:53 Hmmm Mar 11 17:18:10 methinks I am going to need some peoples helps soon to get something Mar 11 17:18:35 lay it down clown Mar 11 17:19:10 I need to trigger a query overload for my api im using Mar 11 17:19:25 it only allows 2 queries a sec and 1500 per day with the free version Mar 11 17:20:27 and right now I have no function to queue the queries Mar 11 17:22:22 anyone want to test out the first version of the reverse phone lookup? Mar 11 17:26:34 how would one test it Mar 11 17:26:55 well, the version I have packed does not have the test crap on it Mar 11 17:27:12 the test version is just going to query the server every second Mar 11 17:27:35 I just want to see what people think of it so far Mar 11 17:27:47 ya send it over Mar 11 17:29:38 sent Mar 11 17:32:48 phone only? or emu Mar 11 17:33:06 no, I meant reverse phone lookup only Mar 11 17:35:05 The app right now is very basic Mar 11 17:35:08 ok what do ido Mar 11 17:35:20 enter a landline and see what pops up Mar 11 17:35:29 format 1234567890 Mar 11 17:35:42 and I found out that 5555555555 works Mar 11 17:37:17 I know of two big things that I need to do in the background Mar 11 17:37:33 run the queries through a middleware php page on my server Mar 11 17:37:57 and in the middleware, preform caching of data for, lets say 24 hours Mar 11 17:38:16 and if one api key for one program is overloaded, run the query in another Mar 11 17:38:32 nothing happens Mar 11 17:38:40 the search button doesn't seem to click Mar 11 17:38:58 hmmm Mar 11 18:02:15 ok, wow Mar 11 18:02:30 apparently my api DOES return results on mobile numbers Mar 11 18:03:28 morning foles Mar 11 18:03:32 folks Mar 11 18:03:33 mornin Mar 11 18:04:02 morning Mar 11 18:04:23 yeah, codeslaw, it DOES grab all the data, it just doesn't show it Mar 11 18:04:29 right on Mar 11 18:04:39 just need to parse it differently? Mar 11 18:04:51 yeah Mar 11 18:05:12 would the following prevent a function from starting: if(!abc){ myFuction() } ?? Mar 11 18:05:24 yes Mar 11 18:05:37 if abc is true, your function will execute Mar 11 18:05:47 i mean false Mar 11 18:05:48 * Mar 11 18:08:57 i have the following: http://pastebin.com/NseQVYWL Mar 11 18:09:37 need the function in activate, but need to deactivate it temporarily when another function is called Mar 11 18:09:54 the above does not seem to work... Mar 11 18:10:45 not enough code to see what's happening Mar 11 18:11:52 my question i guess is, when a function is called, is there a way to uncall it and then recall? Mar 11 18:12:46 you can use events Mar 11 18:13:03 wawawaaaaaa Mar 11 18:13:15 function is called, if it shouldnt run, listen for an event that means its ok to run, Mar 11 18:13:19 and then exit Mar 11 18:13:46 every single time i've stood up from my desk to go to the bathroom, its freakin occupied. WHAT IS GOING ON Mar 11 18:14:28 that sucks, what about a can? Mar 11 18:15:34 ha Mar 11 18:15:39 wawawaaaaaa Mar 11 18:15:45 codeslaw: can provide a quick snipplet of "events" you have in mind? Mar 11 18:17:25 Yippee!! I got the PDK working, and got the rotating red thing to display on my Pre! Mar 11 18:17:52 nice! Mar 11 18:20:04 LS99: what does your function do that you want to 'uncall' ? Mar 11 18:20:33 LoneStar99: http://pastebin.com/dvPqmT7w Mar 11 18:22:09 Wow, so I think I finally have my embedded google maps with search and reverse geocoding working well Mar 11 18:23:09 nice Mar 11 18:23:40 Yeah it's pretty slick. the UI for handling search results isn't what I wanted, but it gets the job done Mar 11 18:24:09 Err crap ... still gotta put the "loading" scrim on Mar 11 18:24:30 loads fast as hell on wifi on the emu :) Mar 11 18:24:44 everything is fast as hell on the emu Mar 11 18:24:56 dont let it fool you Mar 11 18:25:24 if only my phone ran like my 8core mac Mar 11 18:25:40 -only cores? Mar 11 18:25:43 8 Mar 11 18:26:30 ya, i thought about 16 but held off Mar 11 18:26:44 damn Mar 11 18:26:58 i kid Mar 11 18:27:00 what is it mac pro? Mar 11 18:27:04 ya mac pro Mar 11 18:27:10 I dont Mar 11 18:27:11 i bought it when i was doing a lot of video editing Mar 11 18:27:20 which, i do none of currently Mar 11 18:27:53 nice, Mar 11 18:27:56 I have a 8 core dell I use as a footrest now Mar 11 18:28:05 ince Mar 11 18:28:23 I went to a mpb for rails Mar 11 18:32:56 mpb? Mar 11 18:33:38 mac book pro Mar 11 18:34:16 i want another mac Mar 11 18:34:43 word Mar 11 18:34:45 my brother has 4 mac laptops... Mar 11 18:35:14 * Templarian mumbled something like "oh that's too bad" Mar 11 18:35:27 here i am Mar 11 18:35:28 yeah =( Mar 11 18:35:33 rock you like a hurricane Mar 11 18:35:37 * Monroe crosses fingers and closes eyes as he prepares to run embedded google maps on the phone for the first time Mar 11 18:35:52 Monroe in a div, apart from the google maps service? Mar 11 18:36:13 * Templarian is slowly starting to believe that the documentation people at palm is 1 intern that likes to play video games. Mar 11 18:36:15 yes ... google maps using the google api embedded in my app Mar 11 18:37:06 that is so true Templarian Mar 11 18:37:20 i hope that is better than the service Monroe Mar 11 18:37:27 Templarian: LOL Mar 11 18:37:33 because my application came to an halt because of the downsides of the service Mar 11 18:37:34 and likes to take naps Mar 11 18:38:33 hmm Mar 11 18:38:38 Well ... it works! Mar 11 18:38:41 yay! Mar 11 18:38:53 Performance is ... Mar 11 18:38:55 um ... Mar 11 18:39:00 tollerable? Mar 11 18:39:56 Actually it's great once the map gets loaded Mar 11 18:40:08 but it takes awhile to load the map over EDVO Mar 11 18:40:18 err Mar 11 18:40:20 EVDO Mar 11 18:40:42 1xRTT? Mar 11 18:41:06 intolerable? Mar 11 18:41:27 hehe Mar 11 18:41:36 I'm guess the 10 sec timeout will be reached Mar 11 18:42:01 yeah Mar 11 18:42:41 when that happens, it loads the map controls (zoom in, zoom out, switch from map to satellite view, etc), but the map itself never shows up Mar 11 18:42:50 indeed Mar 11 18:44:49 http://www.pastebin.org/109999 Mar 11 18:45:18 any ideas why do_2 would work but not do_1 ? Mar 11 18:46:21 in a desktop browser? or the palm browser Mar 11 18:48:33 both? Mar 11 18:49:55 actually, I want this to work in webOS app. Mar 11 18:51:07 the prototype version doesn't work in a desktop browser, but the plain XMLHttpRequest does Mar 11 18:51:43 ya not sure what the deal is, but you won't need to check for activex controls Mar 11 18:53:25 right. I haven't tried it from an app yet, but can't see the difference between the two. Mar 11 18:54:11 Monroe: what are you using mapping for in your app? Mar 11 18:56:07 anyone know how to tell a text field it is a password field? Mar 11 18:56:26 is it a different element type? Mar 11 18:56:55 lyht .. there is a PasswordField widget Mar 11 18:57:22 monroe, awesome. and easy. thanks. Mar 11 18:57:26 :) Mar 11 19:01:43 WEll eff me! Mar 11 19:02:33 10 second rule = no embedding of google maps Mar 11 19:04:43 Monroe: really. What is the google maps app doing then? Mar 11 19:04:44 what do you mean by that Monroe Mar 11 19:05:19 Monroe why not embedding? it takes longer than 10 seconds? Mar 11 19:06:05 It appears that everything works, except that it takes longer than 10 seconds to download/diplay the map panes in the assigned div Mar 11 19:06:55 ooh Mar 11 19:06:58 wai Mar 11 19:06:59 wait Mar 11 19:07:00 these are json calls to goog? Mar 11 19:07:51 nm ... it works! Mar 11 19:07:57 I had a bug Mar 11 19:08:22 Wow, even double tap to zoom works Mar 11 19:08:34 nice Mar 11 19:08:42 pinch does not though :( Mar 11 19:08:49 was gonna say, something seems weird Mar 11 19:08:53 although I could probably get it to Mar 11 19:09:02 Monroe: i have been looking at the v3 of the google maps instead of v2, supposely it loads faster Mar 11 19:09:04 it just doesn't work "natively" Mar 11 19:09:22 if you want i can let you knwo how it goes when i get it up and running Mar 11 19:09:29 definately Mar 11 19:09:30 have you all tried yahoo maps? Mar 11 19:09:46 v2 is loading pretty quick though now that I've fixed my own stupid bugs :) Mar 11 19:10:25 4 seconds start to finish on EVDO with 2 bars Mar 11 19:10:33 nice Mar 11 19:10:56 are they mobile maps or full size? Mar 11 19:10:58 that includes downloading all the google js crap and loading the map Mar 11 19:11:06 full size Mar 11 19:11:38 I'm also downloading the search crap too so I can let my users do searches Mar 11 19:11:47 yeah mine isnt going to bad but if v3 will improve it i am goign to jump over Mar 11 19:11:51 so if you take that out, it could be faster Mar 11 19:11:53 I need a way to limit the number of queries that a device performs..... Mar 11 19:11:54 hmmmm Mar 11 19:12:04 I think I have to write middle ware for this Mar 11 19:12:41 satellite view ... check Mar 11 19:14:26 i've had good success with using mapquest Mar 11 19:22:44 how do I pull the value out of a textfield widget if i dont have a handler specific to that widget? In other words, I want to pull the values as the scene closes. Mar 11 19:23:09 mywidgetModel.value Mar 11 19:24:02 oh. I guess I should keep the model then. :P Mar 11 19:24:08 :) Mar 11 19:24:26 yes. You can get the value from the model at any time Mar 11 19:32:22 codeslaw: ping Mar 11 19:33:08 evening Mar 11 19:33:26 afternoon Mar 11 19:33:35 but you were close Mar 11 19:33:38 yo Mar 11 19:33:53 I fixed the no results error Mar 11 19:34:16 It now correctly identifies whether the number is public, private, or mobile Mar 11 19:34:18 Ok, here is a tricky one: what is the css class that controls hintText. So I can change how the hint text looks. Mar 11 19:35:19 ok, why is it that my buttons do not act like they have been tapped Mar 11 19:35:51 evening swisstomcat Mar 11 19:35:57 hey lonestar Mar 11 19:36:00 and haeffb Mar 11 19:36:06 yo codeslaw Mar 11 19:36:28 could be something with your widget setup halo Mar 11 19:36:31 sup swisstomcat Mar 11 19:38:28 ok Mar 11 19:38:30 fixed it Mar 11 19:38:35 html for the button was bad Mar 11 19:38:42 not much, app update is out and i get funny reviews Mar 11 19:39:51 close to hit 20k unique downloads Mar 11 19:39:59 nice Mar 11 19:40:29 Monroe, i did not steal your idea Mar 11 19:40:45 I did though! Mar 11 19:40:52 and sold it to the highest bidder Mar 11 19:42:11 Monroe, I was given the idea by my ex-gf on 3/2/2010 9:09PM EST Mar 11 19:42:15 :P Mar 11 19:42:42 which is now his gf :P Mar 11 19:44:46 has anyone seen adora? Mar 11 19:48:27 !seen adora Mar 11 19:48:31 :) Mar 11 19:49:22 no bot here Mar 11 19:49:30 just ask nickserv Mar 11 19:49:34 she's at GDC i'd say Mar 11 19:49:39 -NickServ- Last seen : Mar 10 01:36:58 2010 (1 day, 18:12:35 ago) Mar 11 19:52:35 lyht: browse through the .css files in your SDK dir Mar 11 19:59:35 haeffb_pre: could not find a specific example, but it did tell me a little better what their naming standard is like. it is "hint-text" Mar 11 20:02:36 aaahhhh. There. Now my hint text looks nice. Mar 11 20:04:31 codeslaw: i noticed that there's some funny looking german in the new app description Mar 11 20:04:49 haha no doubt, i had to google translate again Mar 11 20:04:52 emergency update Mar 11 20:05:02 thought i feel like all my updates are rushed Mar 11 20:05:14 i can update it for you Mar 11 20:05:25 the german, not the app :) Mar 11 20:05:30 haha Mar 11 20:05:44 ya that'd be great, the next update will be minor, don't need new text for it Mar 11 20:05:56 send me an email Mar 11 20:06:10 mogwai - friend of the night ... good sound to code by Mar 11 20:06:20 i like mogwai Mar 11 20:11:05 hi Mar 11 20:11:47 is there a way to see if a service is available without an error popping up? Mar 11 20:11:58 hallo metaview Mar 11 20:12:04 hi swisstomcat Mar 11 20:12:34 I got a review from palm, MapTool now pops up an error window at start if the fileMgr isn't running :) Mar 11 20:12:55 well, they still let it go through, but I would like to make it go away... Mar 11 20:14:41 My computer gives me access violations when trying to run the PDK sample, which indicates OpenGL 2.0 drivers. Are these built into my video driver, or is there a separate download I need to find? Mar 11 20:15:11 check opengl.org Mar 11 20:15:33 there should be a website dedicated to opengl, it might be helpful Mar 11 20:16:52 I feel I may be out of luck. My tabletPC probably just doesn't support 2.0 (lucky if it supports 1.0) Mar 11 20:21:43 lol Mar 11 20:21:51 someone sent me a 0.50 donation for prejeweled Mar 11 20:22:23 heh Mar 11 20:23:50 50 cents? Mar 11 20:24:01 yeah Mar 11 20:24:14 if you would be honest, you would have more work to make the TAX stuff than its worth Mar 11 20:24:51 i think that makes the total donations $15.50, they could have just kept the 0.50 and bought swap&drop and had a newer version and whatnot Mar 11 20:25:48 for such small amounts it is much easier for the developer they would just buy any of the other apps from him, instead sending such a small amount Mar 11 20:34:54 i'm trying to translate Theme to german .. any takes? Mar 11 20:35:20 theme? Thema? Mar 11 20:35:27 you're not allowed to sleep, chuq .. too much work to do :) Mar 11 20:35:30 I would say yes, but you'd be VERY dissapointed with the results ... Mar 11 20:35:33 Aussehen? Mar 11 20:35:50 hi chuqui Mar 11 20:35:55 swisstomcat: you accept paypal right? Mar 11 20:36:02 Thema just seems akward Mar 11 20:36:03 me too, me too Mar 11 20:36:09 lonestar: yep Mar 11 20:36:09 hey hey Mar 11 20:36:09 not really Mar 11 20:36:17 depends on the context Mar 11 20:36:31 i will need your translation services as soon as the europe store opens, maybe sooner Mar 11 20:36:34 in the context, it's more Aussehen .. but that doesn't fit Mar 11 20:36:39 Aussehen, Oberfläche, Erscheinungsbild Mar 11 20:36:51 lonestar: cool .. just drop me an email for a quote Mar 11 20:37:28 * MetaView does the same as swisstomcat but in high-german :p Mar 11 20:37:29 hey chuq .. glad to have you back Mar 11 20:37:36 haha Mar 11 20:39:40 need an easy XML parser for VS C++ Mar 11 20:41:35 swisstomcat: what is your email? Mar 11 20:42:18 translations@thinmachine.ch Mar 11 20:43:29 ok sent a bs email, jsut so it can be in my system Mar 11 20:43:41 k Mar 11 20:45:48 german and which others? Mar 11 20:46:58 probably french Mar 11 20:47:10 working out details there Mar 11 20:47:32 ok Mar 11 20:47:44 ping roy-pre101 Mar 11 20:47:52 le vanche est bleu Mar 11 20:47:56 chuqui: app rating averages are fixed!! Mar 11 20:47:58 vache Mar 11 20:48:09 oh yeah Mar 11 20:48:10 yeah, my rating jumped from 3.2 to 3.7 Mar 11 20:48:35 yeah, one of my apps went from 3.3 to 4.0 Mar 11 20:49:20 yes, app ratings are fixed! Mar 11 20:49:45 sweet Mar 11 20:49:57 for people who haven't seen the details, look here: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=5806 Mar 11 20:50:24 now if we could only fix those reviewers too :) Mar 11 20:50:27 not mine Mar 11 20:50:56 swisstomcat: Pong Mar 11 20:51:03 chuqui: Welcome back, you vacationing guy, you. Mar 11 20:51:29 3.2 to 3.9 Mar 11 20:51:30 yeah, thanks roy. now all I need to do is find the bottom of my inbox. it's sitting at 600 and counting. Mar 11 20:51:46 damn Mar 11 20:51:53 thats more than me Mar 11 20:51:58 chuqui: your fault for taking off. Mar 11 20:52:12 chuqui: just sent you 35 emails Mar 11 20:52:12 never ever do that again Mar 11 20:52:15 lol Mar 11 20:52:16 yup. and I'd do it again. Mar 11 20:52:22 especially given the results. Mar 11 20:52:31 You took some great shots. Mar 11 20:52:41 is it possible to dynamically change the commandmenu? Mar 11 20:53:03 wootwoot Mar 11 20:53:05 for those that haven't seen the photos, they're here: Mar 11 20:53:06 http://chuqui.smugmug.com/photos/swfpopup.mg?AlbumID=11430329&AlbumKey=huoKj Mar 11 20:53:09 got a time limit on queries set up Mar 11 20:53:18 some will soon to be Palm Pre wallpapers. Mar 11 20:53:45 so thats your justification for calling it a "working vacation" and all those high bar tabs? Mar 11 20:53:46 :p Mar 11 20:54:32 Chriswebos: yes it is possible Mar 11 20:54:45 chuqui: those are fantastic! Mar 11 20:55:04 just change the model.items array and call modelChanged Mar 11 20:55:06 thanks. I was really happy with the results. Mar 11 20:55:11 haeffb_pre: how? i tried doing the modelchanged on it, and that didn't work Mar 11 20:55:39 hmmm...didn't work for me for some reason. Mar 11 20:56:11 chuqui: you took those photos? Mar 11 20:56:50 yup. My photos. Mar 11 20:57:05 chuqui: love the bridalveil greyscale Mar 11 20:57:26 thanks. I don't do much B/W, but it seemed obvious, and I love the results. Mar 11 20:57:32 damn, that is crazy, you are like a pro photographer Mar 11 20:57:50 can you post some code, chriswebos .. i can compare it to a working sample Mar 11 20:58:09 lonestar: www.markusleutwyler.com Mar 11 20:58:17 my pics Mar 11 20:58:20 I'm hoping to go pro at some point. Been putting a lot of work into it. Mar 11 20:58:35 Is there a site I can post to? Mar 11 20:58:40 pastie.org Mar 11 20:58:41 or should I paste it here? Mar 11 20:58:55 pastebin.com Mar 11 20:59:01 or pastie.org Mar 11 20:59:07 chuqui, you want one of your fotos on a mobile app? Mar 11 20:59:35 markus -- well done! Mar 11 20:59:50 thanks :) Mar 11 20:59:57 i assume you know http://luminous-landscape.com/, chuq? Mar 11 21:00:19 swisstomcat: very nice! Mar 11 21:00:30 my camera is my pre Mar 11 21:00:31 my other side job :) Mar 11 21:00:41 thanks lonestar Mar 11 21:01:13 one of my many app ideas is a remote display for my camera (using the pre) Mar 11 21:01:14 be happy to talk about folks who want to use my images. it's not a huge focus yet, I'm still working on making my stuff better. Mar 11 21:01:31 yeah, know those guys. like their stuff Mar 11 21:01:44 chuqui: i want to use one of your images in my search app Mar 11 21:03:34 chuqui: http://urloid.com/palm4 where it would appear, but folks choose there own images Mar 11 21:04:02 swisstomcat: http://www.pastie.org/865585 Mar 11 21:05:03 hmm Mar 11 21:06:34 chriswebos: http://www.pastie.org/865590 Mar 11 21:06:52 dorop me an email (chuqvr@gmail.com) and we'll work it out and I'll prep it for you. Mar 11 21:06:55 that's disabling an item tho Mar 11 21:07:18 this... this is interesting Mar 11 21:07:25 my middleware stopped updating Mar 11 21:07:34 its not runing the times rihgt Mar 11 21:07:36 try this.cmdMenuModel.items=this.menuitems in the handleCommand Mar 11 21:08:01 MySubClass.prototype = new SomeParentClass(); doesn't work :( Mar 11 21:10:42 YAAAYYYYY that worked...for somereason, the commandmenu isn't re-centered, but I guess I can handle that. Mar 11 21:11:53 hello Mar 11 21:11:57 hey Mar 11 21:12:53 howdy Mar 11 21:12:54 chuq: i assume adora is handling dev relations regarding my swiss open source expo request? Mar 11 21:14:25 my camera is a rebel XT 350D Mar 11 21:14:55 my camera "palm" pre Mar 11 21:15:39 40d and 1000d here Mar 11 21:17:37 swisstomcat yeah, I believe so. Mar 11 21:18:12 quite a long time i haven't touched VC++ 6 Mar 11 21:18:46 I also have cheap lenses... :) Mar 11 21:19:14 chuq: k, guess i better don't bug her too much right now with GDC an all Mar 11 21:19:38 anyone know how to make canvas element dragable? Mar 11 21:19:48 only got fixed-focus lenses Mar 11 21:20:11 erm, fixed-focal-length Mar 11 21:20:26 back to topic :) Mar 11 21:20:56 LoneStar99: put it onto a scroller? Mar 11 21:21:07 or want to listen to drag eventS? Mar 11 21:21:13 Am i the only one having memory problems since the update/ Mar 11 21:21:13 when will the PDK give access to devices like wifi or bluetooth Mar 11 21:21:14 ? Mar 11 21:21:16 thats a good question Mar 11 21:21:16 lol Mar 11 21:21:23 Chriswebos: no Mar 11 21:21:28 i get that damn message all the time Mar 11 21:21:35 with like 1 card open Mar 11 21:21:44 maybe chuqui should have the guys look into it :-) Mar 11 21:21:49 okay, just wanted to make sure...hopefully it's fixed in the next update Mar 11 21:21:51 'too many cards' is a freq occurrence for me Mar 11 21:21:58 haeffb_pre: yup yup Mar 11 21:22:20 my fone just decided it wanted to reboot itself...with nothing open Mar 11 21:22:25 don't get it that much, except when starting pdk 3d apps Mar 11 21:23:32 rebooting luna is one of my phone favorites Mar 11 21:23:35 since 1.43 Mar 11 21:23:37 1.4 Mar 11 21:23:57 it appears to be something with the browser server...i always have messages in the log saying it's taking low memory actions Mar 11 21:24:20 get some luna reboots too from time to time Mar 11 21:24:25 let's hope 1.4.1 will be out soon Mar 11 21:24:39 i downloaded that jstop tool from preware...it always says i'm using around 20MB, but I still get the too many cards thing Mar 11 21:25:04 it also says a lot of processes are going on, like the phone and camera, even tho they aren't open Mar 11 21:25:41 im waiting for a webos auto focus phone Mar 11 21:25:43 that would be BOMBBB! Mar 11 21:25:50 palm is secretly videotaping all of us... Mar 11 21:26:09 doesn't it already auto focus? Mar 11 21:26:10 ...to see if we like Folgers coffee Mar 11 21:26:37 my pics are always crystal clear Mar 11 21:26:52 haeffb: huh? Mar 11 21:27:30 the only problem with the pre's camera is the close-focus distance (or the lack of it) Mar 11 21:27:31 my pics in my pre are always clear also Mar 11 21:27:43 okay guys...i need a quick thought on this app i'm nearing beta on... Mar 11 21:28:03 shoot Mar 11 21:28:31 it's basically does to email what quickcontacts and the like do to contacts Mar 11 21:28:44 Chriswebos: negative Mar 11 21:28:50 if u get close on something it blurs Mar 11 21:29:26 atlanta: I thought u were talking about my app...I was gonna say, "Man, he hasn't even let me tell him about it yet :)" Mar 11 21:29:38 lmfaooo Mar 11 21:30:15 okay, here are some of the features....you guys know how Yahoo mail grabs emails from contacts for you? my app will do that Mar 11 21:30:39 you know how in gmail you can bring up all emails from sender when looking at it? my app does that Mar 11 21:31:37 it'll also allow you to flag email addresses, so when you get an email from the sender it'll be automatically set aside Mar 11 21:31:46 g'night everyone Mar 11 21:32:46 well, feedback? Mar 11 21:38:14 lates Mar 11 21:38:19 swisstomcat Mar 11 21:47:17 http://silentbluesystems.com/Downloads/com.silentbluesystems.prepagesphonelite_0.1.5_all.ipk Mar 11 21:47:23 chuqui: Do you know if we'll be able to add new countries to our distribution prior to the new global sales stuff? Mar 11 21:48:40 roy, info on that coming soon. Mar 11 21:48:51 (typing furriously in the other window...) Mar 11 21:49:32 only ONE other windows? For shame... Mar 11 22:01:31 hmm. is there any app to prefill web forms in the browser *gnah* Mar 11 22:14:50 to repeat my question for before: is there any way to test the existance of a service without poping up an error box? Mar 11 22:15:22 no idea Mar 11 22:16:51 a pity Mar 11 22:25:43 Sorry for the lameness, but can anyone hear me? Registering a nickname is hellish. Mar 11 22:25:50 does anyone have/use the verizon "mobile hotspot" feature? When you enable hotspot, do you drop all current connections on the handset? ie: if you're listening to streaming audio and you turn on/off hotspot mode does the streaming stop/start? Mar 11 22:26:00 DougReeder: I can "hear" you. Mar 11 22:26:23 Can You Head me now that the rain is gone? Mar 11 22:26:24 Thank you! Sorry, I"m on Sprint. Mar 11 22:26:43 need to put on my "hear"ing aid... Mar 11 22:28:35 Has anyone been able to create an Xcode project that links? I get errors like Mar 11 22:28:35 "_glAttachShader", referenced from: Mar 11 22:28:36 Init() in stuff.o Mar 11 22:28:36 Init() in stuff.o Mar 11 22:28:36 ... and setting the Architecture in Project Settings doesn't help. Mar 11 22:39:44 is it possible to parse a single string into json in multiple chunks, to avoid getting 10second punched in the face? Mar 11 22:39:58 no idea Mar 11 22:40:13 fark Mar 11 22:41:46 codeslaw: about how is your string arranged? Mar 11 22:42:18 i'll show you a sample Mar 11 22:42:24 digitalpowers: so is there a function in db.vb that you can toss a SQL statement into and get a dataset back? Mar 11 22:42:26 I don't know any way to break up json decoding; are you sure that's all that's going on in the thread? (as in, the thread isn't waiting around for AJAX to finish or something?) Mar 11 22:43:08 DougReeder: i am calling for the callbackEvent.responseJSON object once the ajax call has finished Mar 11 22:44:17 i was told there would be punch and pie Mar 11 22:44:17 maik: http://readthedocumentation.com Mar 11 22:44:21 below Mar 11 22:44:31 i ... dont ... get it Mar 11 22:44:53 oh i bet you do, trebek Mar 11 22:45:59 virtual box shows me two different versions of emu. Is there a way to get rid of one version? Mar 11 22:46:16 dthought: [{"featured":"0","image":"http:\/\/www.codeslaw.net\/gallery...","artist_name":"Doc10house","title":"Maybe next year.."},{"featured":"0","image":"http:\/\/www.codeslaw.net\/gallery... etc etc Mar 11 22:46:35 mysql results parsed via php's json_encode Mar 11 22:46:55 wait, your loading in all the results at once? Mar 11 22:47:16 for all your galleries? Mar 11 22:47:25 Codeslaw, presumably you've checked for this, but to be sure, asynchronous is true, evalXML is not set to force, and the server is returning the result with content-type application/json? Mar 11 22:48:44 DougReeder: true, true, and true Mar 11 22:48:47 codeslaw: what about putting a offset:0,limit:100 in your ajax request, and request seperate subchunks from your server? Mar 11 22:48:49 haeffb Run the VirtualBox app (not the Palm Emulator app) and use the commands therein. Mar 11 22:49:09 dthought: that's my running option, but i wanted to explore ways to avoid multiple service hits Mar 11 22:49:28 DougReeder: it works when the service returns <320 objects Mar 11 22:49:45 over 320, it runs great in the emulator, but returns null on the phone Mar 11 22:51:23 codeslaw: service hits = multiple requests to your server? Mar 11 22:51:42 bbl: driving home Mar 11 22:51:43 DougReeder: it only shows 1 version when I run VirtualBox (and only one resolution) Mar 11 22:51:56 dthought: yes Mar 11 22:51:58 maybe when you return a huge string; but multiple small json strings within... Mar 11 22:52:17 and use split with a carefully choosen seperator string Mar 11 22:53:03 * haeffb unfortunately ignored the instructions to uninstall one SDK before installing another... Mar 11 22:53:06 interesting idea Mar 11 22:53:14 Codeslaw, I'm surprised that 320 objects takes 10 seconds to process. You might double-check that your thread isn't inadvertantly asking the system to do extra work somehow. If not, I suspect you'll need to request smaller chunks of data. :-( Mar 11 22:54:36 Gotta go; thanks all! Mar 11 22:55:13 later doug Mar 11 23:15:47 codeslaw: I agree with Doug. I am fairly sure I have had objects with more than that, that get processed instantly. Mar 11 23:16:13 indeed Mar 11 23:16:18 i need to rework some stuff Mar 11 23:33:09 is it cool to start multiple ajax requests all at the same time? Mar 12 00:00:57 "In preparation for the launch we encourage you to localize your application and metadata immediately for each country and language you plan to select for distribution, prior to Palm's international e-commerce launch." Mar 12 00:01:20 it's coming... Mar 12 00:01:30 Everyone got the "draft"? Mar 12 00:01:37 don't know Mar 12 00:01:45 Heh, oops Mar 12 00:01:48 everyone with a paid app maybe? Mar 12 00:02:00 Mine's free Mar 12 00:02:21 ok Mar 12 00:06:45 I got one draft and one not draft Mar 12 00:07:32 none-draft? Mar 12 00:07:39 not here Mar 12 00:08:34 just a draft here Mar 12 00:11:12 jsut got an email from Palm, the international app stores are almost ready!! Mar 12 00:12:19 LoneStar99, calm down.. Mar 12 00:12:29 end of month Mar 12 00:12:46 one account (my original) got a draft. The other account (my open source) got a non-draft. Mar 12 00:12:49 ups, it's past 1 here Mar 12 00:12:50 lol Mar 12 00:12:54 time for my bed Mar 12 00:13:03 i got the draft Mar 12 00:13:18 me too, g'night Mar 12 00:13:33 nite MetaView Mar 12 00:13:37 dawmL just excited, have some european APIs to mess with! Mar 12 00:14:09 wow Mar 12 00:14:16 you actually type out names? Mar 12 00:15:38 yeah, use irc built into opera Mar 12 00:15:42 all-in-one Mar 12 00:16:05 d tab tab Mar 12 00:16:27 oh wow Mar 12 00:16:29 thanks Mar 12 00:16:47 :) Mar 12 00:17:04 does that work with all irc clients? Mar 12 00:17:09 usually Mar 12 00:17:17 looks like i have SDK/eclipse back up and running under Win7 Mar 12 00:17:23 some use a different keystroke but its commonly tab Mar 12 00:17:32 wIRC uses orange Mar 12 00:17:35 sometimes Mar 12 00:17:42 k Mar 12 00:17:44 sometimes it doesn't work Mar 12 00:18:07 haeffb: what happened to your installlation? Mar 12 00:28:10 anyone know which syntax? Mar 12 00:28:20 Mojo.Controller.getAppController()? or this.controller.getAppController()? Mar 12 00:28:26 i cant ever trust the docs Mar 12 00:28:34 i use this. Mar 12 00:29:47 upgraded from Vista to Win7 Mar 12 00:30:03 oh ok, i did the same some months ago Mar 12 00:30:07 64? Mar 12 00:30:31 no its not this. Mar 12 00:32:20 Have "Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene('support');" and below that "this.controller.stageController.pushScene('img');" and both work Mar 12 00:32:37 maybe getAppController isnt valid Mar 12 00:34:00 Mojo.Controller.StageController.getAppController() Mar 12 00:35:08 no Mar 12 00:36:08 dawm: depends on where you're calling it from. Mar 12 00:36:26 according to the docs i can call it from anywhere to get the appController Mar 12 00:37:00 Mojo.Controller.getAppController() should work from anywhere Mar 12 00:37:18 i know, its not Mar 12 00:37:30 oops, did a search... that is what it returned, - have not used "getAppController" myself Mar 12 00:40:30 this what a search brought up: "Mojo.Controller.getAppController().showBanner("Error saving your venue.", {source: 'notification'});" Mar 12 00:41:29 sure you don't have a case typo? Mar 12 00:41:35 no im sure Mar 12 00:41:55 I use Mojo.Controller.getAppController in both app assistant and scene assistant and it works fine both places. Mar 12 00:42:12 ill just make a duplicate function in the assistant, no need to continue running circles Mar 12 00:42:26 oh, wait. Mar 12 00:42:41 you're trying to use it to call a function in the AppAssistant? Mar 12 00:42:48 yerp Mar 12 00:42:51 Assistant != Controller Mar 12 00:43:50 http://www.pastie.org/865924 Mar 12 00:44:11 dawm: I mentioned this a couple of days ago Mar 12 00:44:14 gotcha Mar 12 00:44:59 like I said then, there may be a better way, but I found this works to call AppAssistant.prototype.myFunc = function () {}; Mar 12 00:45:07 from elsewhere. Mar 12 00:45:18 Miles.appAssistant.myFunc(); Mar 12 00:47:31 thanks! Mar 12 00:49:22 hi all Mar 12 00:49:37 hello! Mar 12 00:49:58 hey halfhalo_T400 how's your app doing? Mar 12 00:50:02 JenP Mar 12 00:50:13 haeffb! hiya Mar 12 00:50:38 you wanna make me a video? Mar 12 00:50:39 My steamFriends one is coming along nicely, and I just uploaded a new lite version of my new app Mar 12 00:51:12 haeffb...i could take that in so many ways....LOL Mar 12 00:51:21 sure what do you need Mar 12 00:51:24 bowchikawowow Mar 12 00:51:30 lol Mar 12 00:55:35 Well, I'll take whatever...but need a Myles video. Mar 12 00:55:54 do i have your latest build? Mar 12 00:56:12 you will. Mar 12 00:56:29 as soon as he hits the read button Mar 12 00:56:30 you have a script of callout or areas you want highlighted? Mar 12 00:56:46 * halfhalo_T400 wished he had a red button tied to his computer thad does something Mar 12 00:56:56 and...male or female... Mar 12 00:57:07 duh. I guess I will. Mar 12 00:57:31 huh? Mar 12 00:57:33 what's the palm-? to build the ipk? Mar 12 00:57:40 palm-generate Mar 12 00:57:40 will have a script? Mar 12 00:57:50 no, that's to create a new app Mar 12 00:58:01 palm-package Mar 12 00:58:03 derrr Mar 12 00:58:04 palm-package Mar 12 00:58:19 I have a script that does it for me Mar 12 00:58:40 lol i'm so confused... Mar 12 00:58:55 I right click on the folder, then in the context menu theres a link to a bat file that runs palm-package %1 Mar 12 01:00:28 halfhalo: thats not a bad idea Mar 12 01:00:40 yeah Mar 12 01:00:44 I have two more like it Mar 12 01:00:47 Maybe then i could use notepad++ like i really want to Mar 12 01:02:52 the easy way to do it is just make the bad script in the sendto folder in windows Mar 12 01:03:00 no context menu modding or any of that Mar 12 01:03:45 JenP: I will send you an email with the app and the script. Later 2night. Mar 12 01:03:53 sounds like a plan Mar 12 01:04:04 male/female, I don't care. Unless its the other kinda video. Mar 12 01:04:04 don't forget to indicate if you want the male or female hand Mar 12 01:04:15 LOL omg! Mar 12 01:04:29 if it's the other type...you're getting male Mar 12 01:08:09 halfhalo_T400: I'll have to ask you more about it later. Mar 12 01:10:29 lol Mar 12 01:10:46 its super simple for the sendo version, esp on vista/7 Mar 12 01:12:17 heh, well I'm a noob at that stuff, so excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuseeeeeeeee me Mar 12 01:12:38 what os Mar 12 01:12:43 7 Mar 12 01:12:48 I have the sendto file open Mar 12 01:12:58 you mean the sendto folder? Mar 12 01:13:04 yah Mar 12 01:13:46 in the starmenu type shell:sendto. Make a new bat file (I called mine Package.bat) with palm-package %1 in it Mar 12 01:13:48 save Mar 12 01:13:50 done Mar 12 01:15:28 I have other scripts to either install an ipk or run palm-log for both the emu and the pre Mar 12 01:15:33 Hi JenP Mar 12 01:15:45 hi LoneStar99 how are you? Mar 12 01:16:07 good, had been busy rolling out updates Mar 12 01:16:13 and fixing bugs Mar 12 01:16:21 i saw that 2 came out today Mar 12 01:16:42 really 2? let me see, i thought just one... Mar 12 01:16:42 halfhalo_T400: awesome, I will be using that now! Mar 12 01:17:10 yeah, its nice Mar 12 01:17:56 On my laptop I also set ipk's default app to the install bat file, so I can just double-click to install them Mar 12 01:19:07 hmmm...pizza or chicken.... Mar 12 01:19:10 double nice Mar 12 01:19:20 pizza! Mar 12 01:19:41 lol yeah i'm leaning that way too Mar 12 01:20:08 halfhalo_T400: thanks! Mar 12 01:23:16 alright brb need to fix more bugs Mar 12 01:24:10 argh Mar 12 01:24:24 i cant for the life of me find the call for the built in support scene Mar 12 01:25:52 gah found it.. wish things were a little bit easier to relocate ;p Mar 12 01:52:45 anyone know how to make the HBox container thats in Ares.. outside of Ares? Mar 12 02:01:23 why does do_2 work, but do_1 does not? http://www.pastebin.org/109999 Mar 12 02:03:01 Ajax.Request implements XMLHttpRequest Mar 12 02:03:14 and XMLHttpRequest supports POSTing files Mar 12 02:04:39 so both should work Mar 12 02:04:48 nope Mar 12 02:05:06 Ajax.Request does not support all the stuff that XMLHttpRequest does Mar 12 02:06:33 huh Mar 12 02:07:03 Ajax.request is basically an easy to use wrapper of xmlhttprequest Mar 12 02:07:10 yes Mar 12 02:07:15 simple to implement, but not as powerful Mar 12 02:07:19 but not all of XMLHttpRequest... ? Mar 12 02:07:31 nope Mar 12 02:07:39 dumb Mar 12 02:08:02 well, how often are you going to be using xmlhttprequest to post stuff Mar 12 02:08:16 most of the time ajax.request is all you need Mar 12 02:12:03 The first parameter is the URL of the request; the second is the options hash. The method option refers to the HTTP method to be used; default method is POST. Mar 12 02:19:22 trying to disable a button Mar 12 02:19:37 via buttonModel.disable = true; Mar 12 02:20:15 and? Mar 12 02:20:29 nm, should be disabled* Mar 12 02:20:38 lol Mar 12 02:21:57 ok still not working Mar 12 02:22:00 And.... pingme is.... up Mar 12 02:22:05 are you reloading the model? Mar 12 02:22:11 this.buttonModel.disabled = true; Mar 12 02:22:11 this.controller.modelChanged(this.buttonModel, this); Mar 12 02:22:43 hmmmm Mar 12 02:22:46 I have no idea Mar 12 02:23:34 ya dont know Mar 12 02:24:14 codeslaw: are you sure you need the extra ', this'? Mar 12 02:24:31 no, just thought that was the syntax Mar 12 02:24:35 then remove it Mar 12 02:24:38 as per webos101 Mar 12 02:24:46 Hmmmm, that's not how i do it Mar 12 02:24:51 and mine works ;) Mar 12 02:25:28 still doesnt work without Mar 12 02:25:40 haha Mar 12 02:25:49 lameness Mar 12 02:26:17 codeslaw: add the "disabled property" Mar 12 02:26:22 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1913&Itemid=289 Mar 12 02:26:31 well "disabledProperty: "disabled" Mar 12 02:26:37 word Mar 12 02:26:46 you had it?? Mar 12 02:26:54 woops, only meant for one ? Mar 12 02:27:46 I mean the disabledProperty in the attributes Mar 12 02:27:48 i didnt Mar 12 02:27:57 Try that Mar 12 02:27:57 and i added Mar 12 02:28:02 and.. it's not working Mar 12 02:28:31 hmmm Mar 12 02:28:44 paste it? Mar 12 02:29:42 ya Mar 12 02:31:45 http://www.pastebin.org/110336 Mar 12 02:34:33 honestly, that should work... Mar 12 02:34:56 have you done palm-log? Mar 12 02:35:21 ya Mar 12 02:35:41 this.coloredmodel.value = true; Mar 12 02:35:41 she has nothing for me Mar 12 02:35:41 this.controller.modelChanged(this.coloredmodel); Mar 12 02:35:50 that works in one of my apps Mar 12 02:35:55 it is changing a text box Mar 12 02:36:05 woops, i meant check box Mar 12 02:36:48 i'll try something else Mar 12 02:37:31 for one of my apps, I just added and removed the disabled button class to simulate disabled Mar 12 02:38:37 ya i'll just do that Mar 12 02:39:25 The button will still execute code when clicked, so you'll have to adjust to that Mar 12 02:44:26 whats the actual css class called Mar 12 02:44:49 $('submit').addClassName('disabled'); Mar 12 02:44:52 should that work? Mar 12 02:45:13 maybe Mar 12 02:46:50 yep Mar 12 02:47:01 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 12 02:59:57 2010