**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 13 02:59:57 2010 Mar 13 03:00:43 where's haeffb? Mar 13 03:01:42 he's here Mar 13 03:01:44 or was Mar 13 03:03:29 * haeffb pops head around corner... Mar 13 03:03:36 hehe Mar 13 03:04:05 putting final touches on Myles upgrade Mar 13 03:04:36 I see Mar 13 03:04:52 I've got that sample/demo for you Mar 13 03:10:37 weee main scene GUI is pretty much done, just 4 more to go and its done Mar 13 03:10:50 nice Mar 13 03:11:23 I been working on google maps Mar 13 03:11:27 doing the GUI and GUI code is harder than i thought the GPS and Background stuff was gonna be Mar 13 03:11:55 i was thinking about toying with google maps Mar 13 03:11:55 yeah ... gui can be a pain in the ass Mar 13 03:12:06 like maybe showing all the set profile radius's Mar 13 03:12:59 yeah it's taken me several days, but I've got fully functional embedded google maps with searching and reverse geocoding Mar 13 03:13:08 Unfortunately, that's all I have at this point :) Mar 13 03:13:22 nice Mar 13 03:58:07 woohoo! You can delete an app submission before finalizing the process. Mar 13 03:58:18 yeah Mar 13 03:58:19 yay Mar 13 03:58:43 found a nasty bug. Mar 13 03:59:18 Hate to admit it, but I probably pushed my last submission out before finding all the bugs. I just couldn't take not submitting it any more. :) Mar 13 03:59:42 This one would have caused users to lose all their data. Mar 13 03:59:52 DO IT Mar 13 03:59:54 Or made them think they'd lost it all. Mar 13 04:00:11 Well, that's unfortunate. Or would have been. Mar 13 04:10:57 anyone know how to put a spinner inside a button? Mar 13 04:11:19 nevermind ;p Mar 13 04:11:26 damn Mar 13 04:25:21 hi all, i need some help with the xml parser in the data sample app Mar 13 04:26:00 any takers? Mar 13 04:26:42 Just saw you posted your code on the forum. Let me see if I can get it into a project over here. Mar 13 04:27:13 cool, thx man Mar 13 04:28:01 i left the error scripting off, but i didnt change it from the sample Mar 13 04:34:43 Don't have an empty framework, so I'm having to pull together a new app to drop the code into. Sorry it takes a while. Mar 13 04:38:02 First thing I'm noticing (now that I'm actually looking at it) is that you're using "console.log()" for a lot of stuff. Mar 13 04:38:07 I'm not sure that will do anything in webOS. Mar 13 04:38:17 Try using Mojo.Log.info() instead, and see how that does for you. Mar 13 04:38:35 i'll give it a shot Mar 13 04:38:42 (Note that you'll need to be monitoring /var/log/messages to see anything coming from that, and you'll need to set the log level as well.) Mar 13 04:38:49 Mojo.Log.error() should always show up. Mar 13 04:38:56 Meantime I'll see if I can finish bootstrapping this. Mar 13 04:44:35 Next couple of items, you referenced methods called "send" and "failure", but they were not defined, meaning the .bind calls on them failed. Lots of this stuff wasn't getting set up in the first place. Mar 13 04:44:55 (For reference, console.info apparently does work. Who knew?) Mar 13 04:52:53 I think once you clear those up, you'll be on your way. I can't really push it much further since it seems to be working okayish with those updated. Not sure about the XPath query you're running, but that's just my unfamiliarity with XPath. Mar 13 04:54:26 yes, dumb mistake, i deleted some items i guess on the copy/paste. edit undo fixed it. i'll repost the code in entirity (it truly is the sample from the sdk at this point - no ammendments by me except a different url Mar 13 04:54:44 and json-false Mar 13 04:55:03 Try using one of the paste sites, like pastie or pastebin. Mar 13 04:55:11 Better than junking up the forums with lots of code. Mar 13 04:55:20 Also, if you could include the HTML, it'd help. Mar 13 04:55:45 (Or as an alternate, point me to where you grabbed this from the SDK; been a while since I went diving in it.) Mar 13 05:02:00 Found it. Mar 13 05:03:59 hrm Mar 13 05:04:17 * Monroe perks up Mar 13 05:04:28 * haeffb hates coding around mistakes I made early on. Mar 13 05:04:34 i get a relaunch call when i use filepicker Mar 13 05:05:28 who'd have thought the difference between "text" and "integer" types in a SQLite database would have caused so much trouble...? Mar 13 05:05:52 doh Mar 13 05:07:03 ahh, just posted the "fixed" sample Mar 13 05:07:11 i see you found it Mar 13 05:08:10 alternate between any feed xml and mine, and u'll see the issue Mar 13 05:08:10 on the bright side, I haven't had any of the eclipse errors I was used to since upgrading to Win7. Mar 13 05:13:01 I think I'm done for the evening Mar 13 05:30:56 g'night all Mar 13 05:31:58 Sorry. Just not seeing what's different about it. Mar 13 05:34:53 r u able to receive any data from my url? Mar 13 05:35:06 or from usgs i should say Mar 13 05:35:25 The data comes back fine. It's the XPath query that seems to not be working as I'd expect. Mar 13 05:35:37 oh no... Mar 13 05:35:42 Data comes back, you parse it into an XML document which can be traversed and has stuff. Mar 13 05:35:47 no batteries and my mouse is blinking a red light at me.. Mar 13 05:35:57 But for some reason the XPath query doesn't seem to be returning anything. Mar 13 05:36:58 right - however, use feed url (like the one they include), and u get results from any path u choose Mar 13 05:37:31 makes me crazy Mar 13 05:37:47 ahh there.. robbed a remote.. Mar 13 05:40:16 but thx for trying. i may just forget the dom altogether and go the basic route Mar 13 05:40:45 well i'm off to bed. later all Mar 13 05:41:35 anyone know if you can open up help on the device to a certain spot programatically and how you would do so? i assume it would probably be in the params you pass the applicationManager, but I cant find info on it. Mar 13 05:42:39 Can anyone help out with plugin instantiation? Mar 13 05:46:48 anyone who is making money with advertising on tonight? Mar 13 05:48:33 i am curious how many impressions you have to get daily to start getting contracts for cpm advertising instead of cpc Mar 13 05:56:12 so sleepy Mar 13 05:56:36 so sleep Mar 13 05:56:46 bah Mar 13 05:57:19 so i am up to 110,826 impressions after a week maik Mar 13 05:57:24 wow Mar 13 05:57:56 i really need to get some cpm advertising going, but i dont think admob does any cpm Mar 13 05:58:26 hmmm Mar 13 05:59:00 i am not 100% sure that my server can handle a wide launch either though, been thinking about what to do about that Mar 13 05:59:21 what app again digitalpowers? Mar 13 05:59:29 Territory Mar 13 05:59:32 http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/countdownintro.png new countdown update! :) Mar 13 05:59:47 what's the next upgrade and how much does it cost? Mar 13 06:00:03 gps based game, you run around claim / fight over territories in the real world Mar 13 06:00:07 Tibfib: cool Mar 13 06:00:13 hmmmm Mar 13 06:00:18 that is troublesome Mar 13 06:00:38 Tibfib: i've been meaning to ask you. in the blackout puzzles why do the 3-5th difficutly levels appear to play exactly like countdown? Mar 13 06:01:00 maik: have you seen the leaderboard tonight? Mar 13 06:01:04 nope Mar 13 06:01:08 are we even in the top 10 anymore? Mar 13 06:01:11 i am 9th Mar 13 06:01:13 :S Mar 13 06:01:21 you are 4th Mar 13 06:01:35 haha holy crap Mar 13 06:01:57 yeah Evyor has over 4k Mar 13 06:02:04 maik: in v0.7.1? Mar 13 06:02:08 both 1 and 2 do Mar 13 06:02:23 oh yeah i didnt notice peace makers was above 4k sheesh Mar 13 06:02:42 Tibfib: it appears so yes Mar 13 06:02:49 **** Mar 13 06:02:52 oops Mar 13 06:02:59 Ah well, update will roll out in a week or so Mar 13 06:03:07 heh, k Mar 13 06:03:29 That's really weird... Never noticed it before... I must have snuck that in before updating it Mar 13 06:04:30 Ha shirt Mar 13 06:04:35 Toyota: "Once you drive one, you'll never stop" Mar 13 06:07:11 nighgt Mar 13 06:07:13 -g Mar 13 06:08:24 gnight Mar 13 06:12:36 cya Mar 13 06:23:58 hi Mar 13 06:24:26 no se english Mar 13 06:29:08 woot Mar 13 06:29:24 main scene, creation scene done.. just got manage, edit, preferences and help to finish Mar 13 06:29:45 blasted error checking and input validation is killing me Mar 13 06:32:09 dawm: what is this for? Mar 13 06:32:20 an app that Monroe is also working on Mar 13 06:32:28 im trying to beat him to the catalog :P Mar 13 06:32:35 lol. nice. Mar 13 06:32:47 heh it sucks :P Mar 13 06:33:02 i had the idea a week or so ago and the other day he was chatting up basically telling the same idea Mar 13 06:33:26 but i kept it quiet :P he had to blab so now its like we stole each others ideas, but its a friendly race (i think) Mar 13 06:33:36 For those that want to know I have fixed a long list of bugs (internally). New Project works, scene creation, quick edit for version. The list goes on for tons of small things. Still a lot to code. Mar 13 06:33:48 awesome Mar 13 06:34:09 any chance you'll allow user input for the luna-send gps? Mar 13 06:34:49 lol. I might already have let me check the command list. Mar 13 06:35:01 dawm: it's there Mar 13 06:35:10 Templarian: glad to hear! Mar 13 06:35:12 if you type "help" into the command list. But it seems to say coming soon. Mar 13 06:35:36 So nope, right not it's hard coded the Palm HQ in it. :) Mar 13 06:35:37 dawm: wait just kidding. :) Mar 13 06:35:42 lol Mar 13 06:49:17 heh Mar 13 06:49:25 my phone is doing the transparent lock screen again.. Mar 13 06:49:37 normal 'desktop' but i have the lock jewel :P Mar 13 06:53:45 lol mine did that yesterday. Mar 13 06:54:02 Did you get the launcher without any icons yet? Mar 13 06:55:58 hi all Mar 13 06:57:20 hello JenP. :) Mar 13 06:57:38 hey Templarian how the komodo coding going? Mar 13 06:59:20 constant. but good lots of stuff fixed new scene being the largest, but since it's a large recode everything is broken and has to be fixed one at a time on a long list (new project creation works also with the new system). Mar 13 06:59:37 oh i'm sorry... Mar 13 06:59:57 lol, it had to be done and will make it unbreakable for the future. :) Mar 13 07:00:08 smiles...great attitude Mar 13 07:00:15 * halfhalo_T400 will then go and break it in spite Mar 13 07:00:31 LOL dork Mar 13 07:00:37 Good luck I wrapped everything in catch statements. Mar 13 07:01:04 With half useful errors now. :) no more "ummms" Mar 13 07:01:05 Then I'll go with the kneecaps Mar 13 07:01:53 silly boys...best way to break is to pour pepsi on it... Mar 13 07:01:59 My friend just got linux to compile for webos. :) Mar 13 07:02:20 wow really? thats like... easy Mar 13 07:02:35 Not sure he is working to compile haskell since he's weird like that. Mar 13 07:06:29 doh, i just realized i should prolly be allowing for kmeters and not just miles Mar 13 07:09:24 dawm: it should work in the southern hemisphere too. Palm's first few versions of GPS didn't. Mar 13 07:09:54 meh, their not important Mar 13 07:09:58 :p Mar 13 07:10:10 Templarian: does he know that haskell is probably in optware already? Mar 13 07:10:14 i dont see why it wouldnt work Mar 13 07:11:24 rwhitby: let me see if he does he doesn't really follow along. Mar 13 07:12:03 i dunno what the exceptible ranges in km's, i've got 1,2,5,10,20,50 for miles, Mar 13 07:12:36 dawm: what does the distance represent? Mar 13 07:12:46 the app changes your ringtone based on gps Mar 13 07:12:57 the distance is distance from gps point to change Mar 13 07:14:30 hah, that's a neat idea for an app Mar 13 07:14:42 yeah Mar 13 07:14:53 even better when i can use the other ringtone api's like volume.. Mar 13 07:15:08 for some reason its limited to the com.palm.* namespace Mar 13 07:15:27 what can you do? just change it? Mar 13 07:15:35 thats all Mar 13 07:15:50 i dont see why the ringtone volume would be a risk to anything ;p Mar 13 07:16:03 Hah yeahh... these apis need a bit of changing Mar 13 07:19:28 rwhitby: oh he said he is doing it the right way. Mar 13 07:19:42 And replied "gross" Mar 13 07:20:13 Templarian: awesome. is he going to contribute the improved version? Mar 13 07:20:43 dawm: 50Km seems far enough for a ringtone change :-) Mar 13 07:20:58 lol yah i know Mar 13 07:21:10 he probably will he is open source in terms of haskel work usually. Mar 13 07:21:24 Km's being smaller than miles, you can use the same set of numbers and just have better resolution as a result Mar 13 07:21:38 yeah i just didnt want it to look funny in a list Mar 13 07:22:07 dawm: what resolution can you get? Mar 13 07:22:27 depends on the accuracy setting i guess Mar 13 07:22:31 i.e. is 100m, 200m, 500m, 1Km, 2Km, 5Km, 10Km doable? Mar 13 07:22:56 if so, I'd skip the 10Km Mar 13 07:23:20 my house to my work is only 15Km :-) Mar 13 07:23:31 and that's the two most likely settings, right? Mar 13 07:23:46 home <-> work 12km Mar 13 07:24:14 in building GSM tower location: error ~2km Mar 13 07:34:21 whoa.. 2:30am.. gotta get to bed :P Mar 13 07:34:26 gnite Mar 13 07:49:59 MetaView: do you have a minute. Mar 13 07:50:51 You were the one that told me the options for the framework_config.json drop down was wrong right? Mar 13 07:51:49 I just remember one of these properties wasn't suppose to be turned on and off when debug was off or something. Mar 13 07:57:21 3 in the morning I'm going to go to bed coded so much of this hopefully pre101 or jcrawford are on in the morning and we can go over what it's suppose to look/work like. Mar 13 07:58:21 hi Mar 13 07:58:41 no, wasn't me Mar 13 07:58:58 I complained about the edit field sizes in the webos panel Mar 13 07:59:25 they are too small at start, you need to grow the panel before you can use it Mar 13 07:59:38 but it might be a resolution problem, hard to track and fix Mar 13 07:59:45 <-- breakfast Mar 13 08:03:16 MetaView: is that the linux bug you told me about? Mar 13 08:04:32 I'll put a fix in for that I think I know what was the issue. Mar 13 08:06:11 * Templarian passes out, sleep celebrating st patricks tomorrow since middle of week doesn't work out the best. Mar 13 08:18:43 anyone have any experience with oauth? Mar 13 08:24:26 will outgoing mail always use your palm profile name...? Mar 13 08:26:51 hm, nevermind. seems i found that setting. i was panicking and asked before looking thoroughly. let's see if it applies to gtalk too though.. Mar 13 08:46:01 Qt on the Pre, now in Preware: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/10413837393 Mar 13 09:13:28 nice Mar 13 10:11:47 hi Mar 13 10:19:35 is it possible to use jQuery with WebOS dev ? don't see any reasons why, but well.. Mar 13 10:31:33 question! Mar 13 10:31:45 a device is needed for all PDK *plugin* testing, right? Mar 13 10:32:13 note: mixed web/pdk-built binary, not standalone pdk app. Mar 13 10:34:11 on a semirelated note: being an unrepentant Cocoaista, I'm producing an Apple Core Foundation-like base framework whose main feature is that you can build it with gcc -shared -o blah.so *.c; no deps, no nothin'. Mar 13 10:34:15 http://github.com/millenomi/cumin Mar 13 10:34:46 in case somebody wants to Have Funâ„¢(*) making cross-platform app engines. Mar 13 10:34:54 (*) Important: may not actually be fun. Mar 13 10:57:01 um, did my announcement come through? Mar 13 10:57:27 connection died as I was typing (stupid IRC client didn't quite pick that up) Mar 13 12:38:14 millenomi: it did Mar 13 12:38:25 but the channel seems to be sleeping :) Mar 13 12:41:38 :) Mar 13 12:52:53 heya Mar 13 12:53:54 hi Mar 13 12:58:18 the lib above is just a hobby for now, but I do plan to use it to port stuff. Mar 13 12:58:31 at least I hope this one works better than "port cocotron". Mar 13 12:59:05 so again: is it possible to use jQuery with webos dev ? :) Mar 13 12:59:07 (second try ;)) Mar 13 12:59:21 I see no reason why not Mar 13 12:59:41 the only thing is, Prototype grabs $, so you have to do jQuery("#blah .blah") instead of $("same") Mar 13 12:59:56 make sure the jQuery script tag is after Mojo's. Mar 13 13:00:15 which is the gsm device? sprint or verizon pixi? Mar 13 13:00:22 IIRC neither. Mar 13 13:00:34 O2's is. Mar 13 13:00:38 mmh, ok Mar 13 13:00:40 thanks Mar 13 13:00:42 no GSM Pixi out for now. Mar 13 13:01:06 i thought there is :( Mar 13 13:01:09 I'd love to get my evil hands on a Pré, but my budget for the month is a little, uh, already taken :( Mar 13 13:02:04 no problem in using jQuery instead of $ Mar 13 13:02:18 thanks Mar 13 13:21:00 will SFR (in france) receive the pixi? and the pre plus? Mar 13 13:25:55 will Palm stop this charade and start selling them unlocked? Mar 13 13:26:00 like all other Palm devices? Mar 13 13:26:05 at least here. Mar 13 13:39:14 swisstomcat: they're supposed too Mar 13 13:39:27 date should be around mid-april Mar 13 13:39:41 but there hasn't been any official release date yet Mar 13 13:39:58 I'm still waiting for it Mar 13 13:40:10 the funny thing is that i'm working at sfr and nobody seems to be aware of it Mar 13 13:40:46 Pre is unlocked here Mar 13 13:43:41 they won't be unlocked for sure in france.. Mar 13 13:43:44 hmm.. are you sure Mar 13 13:44:38 engadget run a story about contract-free phones, but still locked to carriers.... Mar 13 13:44:47 http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/12/palm-offering-discounted-contract-free-phones-to-developers-t/ Mar 13 13:46:56 Pre in Germany is unlocked Mar 13 13:47:21 you can user it with every SIM available, and yes, I'm sure I have one Pre with O2 and one with Simyo Mar 13 13:47:50 alright Mar 13 13:47:56 but it's qwerty keyboard Mar 13 13:48:03 how expensive are they ? Mar 13 13:51:05 qwertz it is Mar 13 13:51:20 is about 400€ Mar 13 13:51:55 ok Mar 13 13:52:06 400 euros you mean (got a weird character) Mar 13 13:52:09 ? Mar 13 13:52:43 euros, right, I use Latin-1 here as encoding Mar 13 13:52:46 wasn't france the first country to sell unlocked iphones because of the law? Mar 13 13:53:02 right, that's what I remember too Mar 13 13:53:14 yes, i think so Mar 13 13:53:43 how much are unlocked iphones btw ? Mar 13 14:02:19 is there an easy way to write some text on a SDL surface? Mar 13 14:03:24 there is an sdl ttf extension iirc Mar 13 14:18:13 vc++ express is a really naff ide :) Mar 13 14:18:44 What's everyone else using? Mar 13 14:23:50 notepad Mar 13 14:23:51 :) Mar 13 14:27:36 gedit Mar 13 14:28:00 what more would you need :) Mar 13 14:31:26 It's taken me an hour but I've gotten a linked list working. Mar 13 14:31:31 This is slow going :) Mar 13 14:32:16 Getting there though Mar 13 14:34:52 doohan: it's a start ;) Mar 13 14:35:04 doohan: I'm still reading the docs and working on graphics lol Mar 13 14:35:53 Took ages to work out how to get it to do classes and things. Mar 13 14:36:00 It's so backwards feeling Mar 13 14:36:06 really ? Mar 13 14:36:17 Well I do java and c# Mar 13 14:36:28 So headers are a bit new Mar 13 14:36:33 sure Mar 13 14:36:37 but java is for lazy devs ;) Mar 13 14:36:46 eclipse even corrects your code nowadays.. Mar 13 14:36:47 Java is for fast devs :) Mar 13 14:37:16 seeing the time it needs to learn these complex huge frameworks, and the time it needs to display a simple hello world page, I wouldn't call that fast ;) Mar 13 14:37:27 php is for fast devs ;) Mar 13 14:37:34 PHP is for girls :P Mar 13 14:37:40 then I'm a girl Mar 13 14:37:41 :) Mar 13 14:37:53 Everytool has it's place really. Mar 13 14:37:56 i prefer dynamic languages Mar 13 14:38:00 (my gf will be glad to here it ;)) Mar 13 14:38:16 I've been using groovy, which is a dynmic language on the jvm Mar 13 14:38:17 sure Mar 13 14:38:39 All the java libs and a dynamic language, saved me loads of time recently Mar 13 14:39:16 but seeing you need 50+ classes to run a simple hello world I wouldn't call that fast.. or simple... that said, java is great for other things... Mar 13 14:39:33 You don't need to *write* 50 classes Mar 13 14:39:41 It might load em up, but you didn't need to write them. Mar 13 14:39:47 sure Mar 13 14:40:23 And that's probably not that different from what goes on in phps back end. Mar 13 14:40:49 Or python, or c#, or Mar 13 14:43:11 And besides, who just writes hello world all the time? :) Mar 13 14:44:15 SDL is making some of this stuff easier than I though it would be though Mar 13 14:44:35 Like using the accelerometers is really easy Mar 13 14:44:44 As is the touch screen Mar 13 14:45:09 It's just learning the nuances of c++ that's getting me Mar 13 14:48:07 Like why is that I can't use MyClass m = new MyClass(); myList.push_front(m); ? Mar 13 15:04:09 well, I tend to start with HelloWorlds.. I'm no carmak: I won't start with a quake clone ;) Mar 13 15:04:23 it's supposed to be easy and simple.. sometimes it's not ;) Mar 13 15:04:33 then make a commander keen clone Mar 13 15:04:49 it wouldn't be easy eather Mar 13 15:05:20 btw why couldn't you do that ? Mar 13 15:06:45 var myClassConstruction = function() { this.myAttribute = 'blabla'; }; Mar 13 15:07:04 That doesn't look much like commander keen to me :P Mar 13 15:07:12 then you do myClass = new myClassConstruction(); myArray.push(myClass) and so on... Mar 13 15:07:40 i wasn't responding to that ;) Mar 13 15:23:56 anyone up for concept-testing my new app? Mar 13 15:24:27 sure Mar 13 15:25:25 hold on Mar 13 15:25:46 ops, found a bug Mar 13 15:34:49 found it Mar 13 15:37:07 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta_1.0.1_all.ipk Mar 13 15:37:11 please test Mar 13 16:00:03 swisstomcat> what kind of feedback do you need ? Mar 13 16:00:48 loic: any you have Mar 13 16:01:00 i only can test on emulator Mar 13 16:01:05 that's fine Mar 13 16:01:39 maybe a "lesson" part could be interesting Mar 13 16:01:41 i'm testing if the concept works Mar 13 16:01:46 to learn about animals Mar 13 16:02:04 because nobody knows every footprints ;) Mar 13 16:02:24 good point Mar 13 16:02:38 yeah, i was wondering wtf i was suppsoed to do Mar 13 16:03:03 me too at first try Mar 13 16:03:20 clever game tho Mar 13 16:03:22 once you can learn, it should be nicer to play Mar 13 16:03:38 there's no "score" or kind of thing Mar 13 16:04:13 something that say "well done ! it took only 345 try to finish" Mar 13 16:04:22 there should be Mar 13 16:04:28 when you match all of them Mar 13 16:05:12 although no score, just the message "good job" Mar 13 16:05:20 did you get that? Mar 13 16:05:31 i did Mar 13 16:05:46 swisstomcat> "good job" and "new game" button Mar 13 16:05:51 yeah Mar 13 16:05:54 no score tho Mar 13 16:06:08 should be fun to have the numbers of try Mar 13 16:06:13 do kids care about scores? Mar 13 16:06:22 do kids have palm pre's? Mar 13 16:06:36 no, but their parents do Mar 13 16:07:16 good point about displaying the number of tries Mar 13 16:07:33 heh i love when other users leave comments helping other users with problems ;D Mar 13 16:07:48 app reviews? Mar 13 16:07:51 yeh Mar 13 16:07:54 way better than letting that one idiot, ruin a sale Mar 13 16:08:01 yeah, got a good one too Mar 13 16:08:33 once i get this ringtone app done, ill start back on enhancing swap&drop Mar 13 16:08:34 "Also, wanted to say this to other users. You can't rate an app based on that fact it doesn't have the features you want or has some you don't. If you don't like the app the way it is, DON't DOWNLOAD IT. Geez, people are so nitpicky these days! Rate it on whether it works and does what is says it's supposed to do." Mar 13 16:08:43 I would also add a button to restart Mar 13 16:08:52 (a new one) Mar 13 16:09:01 some score would be nice too Mar 13 16:09:03 before finishing the current game? Mar 13 16:09:07 yes Mar 13 16:09:12 hmmm Mar 13 16:09:13 or just shake to make a new game Mar 13 16:09:14 you wanna do a perfect one... Mar 13 16:09:21 and "damn it, wrong, let's try again" Mar 13 16:09:25 i see Mar 13 16:09:29 like the shake idea Mar 13 16:10:03 ill bbl, gotta go run out and pick up some track rims/tires and some more wire for the project car Mar 13 16:10:08 hmm.. btw, how do you switch the display from your software ? Mar 13 16:10:12 thanks for the feedback, dawm Mar 13 16:10:16 yeh Mar 13 16:10:26 guess i found a bug Mar 13 16:10:28 i figure if its geared towards kids, shaking would be a better option Mar 13 16:10:37 got three unmatched images at the same time right now Mar 13 16:10:40 i like this review "The greatest ap in the world! A "must have"!!!" Mar 13 16:10:45 :) Mar 13 16:11:00 30k downloads as of today Mar 13 16:11:12 warpdesign: a bug .. can you get the log for me? Mar 13 16:11:25 swisstomcat: if you tell me how I can yes :) Mar 13 16:11:29 i LOVE when reviewers go back and update their review and state why they updated Mar 13 16:11:57 dawm: in another app i have parents complaining about shaking because they don't want their kids to shake the phone .. because it may fly out of their hands and break Mar 13 16:12:04 can't please everyone Mar 13 16:12:06 lol Mar 13 16:12:29 warpdesign: on the command-line ... palm-log com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta Mar 13 16:13:21 swisstomcat> will it be a free or paid app ? Mar 13 16:15:09 wow.. Mar 13 16:15:36 paid Mar 13 16:15:43 $10 :P Mar 13 16:15:52 askismet is totally not working on my bbPress Mar 13 16:16:02 loic: it has 2 other play-modes Mar 13 16:19:32 swisstomcat> really 10$ ? Mar 13 16:19:42 i was kidding, loic Mar 13 16:19:58 it will be my first paid app Mar 13 16:20:05 i was wondering if it was a joke or not ;) Mar 13 16:20:14 hmm any pdk folks about? Mar 13 16:20:22 not if i wanted to get rich quickly Mar 13 16:20:34 no .. i'm afraid of c++ Mar 13 16:20:52 usual prices are around 2$, isn't it ? Mar 13 16:21:27 I'm all for avoiding the $0.99 iphone mess tbh Mar 13 16:21:55 a lot of apps are 0.99 Mar 13 16:21:56 doohan> you mean you don't want too cheap apps ? Mar 13 16:22:01 I've never seen a profession devalued so quickly :) Mar 13 16:22:10 sure Mar 13 16:22:19 yeah, mobile games are really cheap compared to other games (pc,consoles) Mar 13 16:22:49 $1.99 seems like a fair price Mar 13 16:22:57 yep Mar 13 16:24:04 It's a bit strange to think that a game is about the same price is a chocolate bar. Mar 13 16:24:55 doohan> the problem is the mass developers sell games at a cheap price Mar 13 16:25:24 so selling a game at 9.99$ for example is a concern as no one will buy it Mar 13 16:25:27 They had a rather rapid race to zero. Mar 13 16:28:09 swisstomcat: check your pm Mar 13 16:28:13 k Mar 13 16:32:23 so! I'm having a fun problem with -webkit-palm-mouse-target:ignore. Mar 13 16:32:57 ohayoo gozaimasu, kuraiou Mar 13 16:33:12 ohayou Mar 13 16:33:34 kyo wa ii da ne Mar 13 16:34:39 got me there :) Mar 13 16:34:40 anyways, the webkit palm mouse target ignore doesn't seem to work on text. like, the div itself is click-through-able, but the text in the div, if you click on it, just 'clicks' on the parent div (it's a sub-div). Mar 13 16:34:44 "today's nice, eh?" Mar 13 16:35:21 hehe Mar 13 16:35:50 that's really peculiar, no? Mar 13 16:39:55 haven't used something like that yet Mar 13 17:13:45 hello all! Mar 13 17:14:27 hello Mar 13 17:14:40 boy I've got a strange problem Mar 13 17:14:57 I've got a white square on my desktop that does not go away Mar 13 17:15:00 even on reboot Mar 13 17:15:24 Moving desktop icons, they go under it. Mar 13 17:15:31 Can't click on it (left or right) Mar 13 17:15:34 weird Mar 13 17:16:10 do you have a screenshot? Mar 13 17:16:17 I can Mar 13 17:16:20 one sec Mar 13 17:16:48 howdy lonestar Mar 13 17:16:53 and monroe Mar 13 17:18:14 howdy swisstomcat, was gonna email you about a tranlation the yesterday, but need to think, if I will make a european version or and us or all in one.... Mar 13 17:18:42 make a separate version you mean? Mar 13 17:20:04 yeah Mar 13 17:20:06 a separate version is more expensive for you Mar 13 17:20:14 and a pain to mainain Mar 13 17:20:18 maintain Mar 13 17:20:31 yeah, exactly Mar 13 17:20:33 what would be the reason? Mar 13 17:20:46 for separation Mar 13 17:21:39 alot of services will cater more to eurpean market and the same for us... might just disable and enable options according to settings.... Mar 13 17:21:50 yeah Mar 13 17:22:01 it would be easier Mar 13 17:22:35 K Lonestar Mar 13 17:22:38 http://www.bradball.net/files/webos/screenshot.jpg Mar 13 17:22:45 will probably email you next week, once i decide what to do. already have the email ready, just need to revise it Mar 13 17:22:48 lonestar: want to test animalmemory again? http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta_1.0.1_all.ipk Mar 13 17:23:34 Monroe: it looks so weird, jsut started happening? Mar 13 17:23:51 swisstomcat: is it time sensitive? cuss I am out of town? Mar 13 17:23:58 nah Mar 13 17:24:04 still working on it for a while Mar 13 17:24:25 yeah. Just started yesterday Mar 13 17:24:28 yeah, will test it no later tonight US time Mar 13 17:24:35 what laptop maker? Mar 13 17:24:40 great, thanks Mar 13 17:24:52 you want my email or link? Mar 13 17:25:02 use the link Mar 13 17:25:05 k Mar 13 17:25:24 brb in 10 minutes Mar 13 17:25:45 Lonestar .. It's a Lenovo T61 Mar 13 17:26:15 I've had it for awhile. Installed Windows 7 last November. problem just started yesterday. I didn't really make any changes Mar 13 17:26:30 perhaps video driver... Mar 13 17:26:36 some background process having problems displaying something Mar 13 17:26:50 yeah I'm looking in the process list now Mar 13 17:27:16 probably time to update my nvidia drivers anyway Mar 13 17:27:36 or install linux :) Mar 13 17:28:48 hmm.. is anyone aware of the logging class for webos apps ? that would display error messages inside some overlayed div ? Mar 13 17:28:55 of a*, not the Mar 13 17:29:20 hehe .. can't install linux on this machine. It's technically not mine (belongs to my work) Mar 13 17:29:59 monroe: who cares :) Mar 13 17:30:33 remove harddisk, install an ssd and your operating system of choice Mar 13 17:30:41 it'll fly Mar 13 17:30:54 warpdesign .. are you talking about something built in? I sometimes put a div in my scene to use for debugging and then add a method that I can call to update the div with debug info as needed. Mar 13 17:30:56 morning all Mar 13 17:31:03 morning jen Mar 13 17:31:20 i do that too, warpdesign .. but not as an overlay Mar 13 17:31:41 Monroe: I don't know.. I'm new to webos dev.. if it's builtin, it's fine, but I'm not aware of a builtin lib for that Mar 13 17:31:55 :) Mar 13 17:32:00 so there's nothing, right ? Mar 13 17:32:14 i just use $('results').innerHTML=whatever; Mar 13 17:32:23 cheap but it works Mar 13 17:34:28 alright Mar 13 17:34:31 yeah ... I do similar to swisstomcat Mar 13 17:34:32 I'll do something then Mar 13 17:35:08 I also have debugObject() and debugArray() methods that I use for showing the content of those items as needed Mar 13 17:35:48 debugObject () is handy cause it'll show you all the properties of an object and their values Mar 13 17:37:33 that's great Mar 13 17:37:44 only thing needed is a way to display that :) Mar 13 17:37:51 oh Mar 13 17:38:08 It returns a txt string, that can then be used with debug methods described above Mar 13 17:38:15 btw, anyone know if there is a way to get app log inside the eclipse's console when running an app from the debugger ? would be gandy Mar 13 17:38:28 handy* Mar 13 17:38:44 i.e. $('debugdiv').innerHTML = debugObject(myObject); Mar 13 17:42:55 yay! It's haeffb Mar 13 17:44:16 yay it's me! Mar 13 17:44:24 hehe Mar 13 17:44:27 uh. I mean, Monroe! Mar 13 17:44:30 no need for innerhtml, i'll be using jQuery :) Mar 13 17:44:33 ok, let's go ! Mar 13 17:44:38 hi haeffb! what are we celebrating? Mar 13 17:44:55 where are we going? Mar 13 17:45:31 yay! Mar 13 17:46:46 waking up for another day, JenP. At my age, that's no longer guaranteed. Mar 13 17:46:47 hey ... what's with the observe() method used on widgets? Mar 13 17:47:07 smiles...well double yeah you Mar 13 17:47:22 just installed a wifi router at the inlaws so I can sit here on my laptop & get stuff done. Mar 13 17:47:23 ok laters, taking off to the galleria Mar 13 17:47:33 c ya LS99 Mar 13 17:47:36 it appears to be about the same as Mojo.Event.listen(), but without having to include the stopListening() call in the cleanup Mar 13 17:47:57 Monroe: never looked at it. Mar 13 17:47:59 later Lonestar Mar 13 17:48:14 I haven't either. I just noticed it when looking at the code for one of the palm apps Mar 13 17:48:22 need to get a cheap laptop for the mother-in-law. Any suggestions? Mar 13 17:48:48 gotta reboot Mar 13 17:48:51 swisstomcat: will email on the testing for your app Mar 13 17:51:20 Well, I got rid of my white box Mar 13 17:51:25 NOt sure how though :) Mar 13 17:55:57 Monroe: my presence works wonders Mar 13 17:56:04 agree Mar 13 17:56:41 "haeffb has joined #webos" .... Monroe's desktop problem disappears ... coincidence? I think not ... Mar 13 17:56:49 lonestar: thanks Mar 13 17:57:02 haeffb: laptop or netbook? Mar 13 17:57:19 laptop Mar 13 17:57:23 how big? Mar 13 17:57:28 14,15,17? Mar 13 17:57:38 15+ Mar 13 17:57:40 I went into msconfig and turned off all the startup processes that aren't necessary, and yay, white box gone Mar 13 17:58:18 i had no problems so far with my hp business model Mar 13 17:58:36 hard to give a specific recommendation Mar 13 18:01:08 hmm.. are tap events mapped to mouseclick events ? Mar 13 18:04:57 Well, I can tell you that with embedded google maps ... double tap works to zoom in ... which seems to indicate that the google maps double click event is firing ... Mar 13 18:09:57 hmm.. yes Mar 13 18:09:59 I'm stupid Mar 13 18:16:26 UK game .. I'm AFK Mar 13 18:17:24 anyone knows where the SDL libs on my Pre are ? Mar 13 18:19:10 found them Mar 13 18:24:24 Templarian: hows the upgrade going? Mar 13 18:25:05 pff I just woke up but I'm not doing day drinking for st patricks like others so I'm coding up till tonight. Mar 13 18:25:39 lol..well good morning Mar 13 18:29:14 JenP: http://webos.templarian.com/ suscribe to the rss feed hehe. Mar 13 18:29:26 yes sir Mar 13 18:30:08 omg Templarian i love the penguin and pres on side Mar 13 18:32:41 lol thanks. There was a secript around here to add it to websites I made. hehe. Mar 13 18:35:00 smiles Mar 13 18:39:24 jcrawford or ANYONE do you know how the framework_config.json options should be http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3258/screenwx.png Mar 13 18:44:56 Hey. Anybody know how to set up GDB debugging for Eclipse on the Mac. I only see instructions for Windows. Mar 13 18:56:27 oh now I see log events needed to be it's own option... instead of bundling it with on and off. Mar 13 18:57:26 crap. Google no longer accepting my ClienLogin. Mar 13 18:58:17 hallo noaXess Mar 13 18:59:15 y Mar 13 18:59:20 hi Mar 13 18:59:31 here's a question ... Mar 13 18:59:47 Let's say I write an app that uses undocumented api's ... Mar 13 19:00:13 If I want to submit it to palm, is it enough to just comment out sections that use those api's, or do I need to remove them completely? Mar 13 19:00:44 Commenting them out would be fine most likely. Mar 13 19:00:57 cool Mar 13 19:01:00 Depends on how bored of their lives their app reviewers are Mar 13 19:01:01 =) Mar 13 19:01:05 :) Mar 13 19:01:19 You could just comment + run minifier on it Mar 13 19:01:25 which would kill the comments Mar 13 19:01:30 you could ask a reviewer beforehand Mar 13 19:01:44 you could just do it and see what happens Mar 13 19:01:46 Dear Monroe, Normally this would be OK, but my girlfriend just dumped me, so I'm going to reject this ... Mar 13 19:01:56 btw do you guys usually minify your apps? Mar 13 19:02:17 I'm thinking it might speed up load time if you have a large codebase if you did that Mar 13 19:02:34 As we all know webos isn't exactly the fastest in loading apps =) Mar 13 19:02:43 It's not? ;) Mar 13 19:02:53 here is someone from the app review team: http://twitter.com/dominiclovell Mar 13 19:03:18 Thanks swiss Mar 13 19:06:52 i don't minify Mar 13 19:08:04 What about obfuscation? Mar 13 19:08:15 for security? Mar 13 19:08:36 for source code security Mar 13 19:08:46 security through obfuscation never works Mar 13 19:09:03 well yeah .. I don't really worry about it anyway Mar 13 19:09:34 95% of app catalog user's don't have the know how to get to app code anyway Mar 13 19:09:52 The 5% who do ... Kudos to them for using their brain Mar 13 19:10:00 put your secure code into a pdk service Mar 13 19:10:01 agreed, pretty much Mar 13 19:10:14 I was just wondering what others think/do Mar 13 19:10:29 no minifing/obfuscation Mar 13 19:10:37 open source (well, for one app) Mar 13 19:10:41 The only person I want to keep my source code from is dawm ... :) Mar 13 19:11:19 lol Mar 13 19:11:30 Damn I hate halftime Mar 13 19:11:46 haha speak of the devil ... :) Mar 13 19:11:58 my client notifies me if someone speaks my name :P Mar 13 19:12:18 I blinks furiously if Monroe speaks your name ... Mar 13 19:12:24 s/I/and Mar 13 19:29:31 * haeffb rebooting on the off chance that will fix my Google ClientLogin issue. Mar 13 19:33:41 anyone familiar with using templates in the view/command menu? Mar 13 19:34:18 how? Mar 13 19:35:12 well, the documentation shows that one of the properties you can use in the items json is "template" Mar 13 19:35:40 description is: Path to HTML template for custom content to be inserted instead of a standard menu item. The template is rendered using this item model object for property substitution. Mar 13 19:36:16 nope. but when you figure it out, let us know how it works... Mar 13 19:36:21 hehe Mar 13 19:36:29 (we won't tell dawm) Mar 13 19:36:37 lol Mar 13 19:37:10 son of a beach. Rebooting did fix the Google issue. Mar 13 19:37:17 yay Mar 13 19:37:28 wonder what was going on... I've spent the last hour trying to debug. Mar 13 19:37:47 you sound like me with the white box issue Mar 13 19:38:21 hi all Mar 13 19:38:40 yay, it's BMyers_Pre! Mar 13 19:39:01 it is. barber time 4 the boy Mar 13 19:39:02 * haeffb remembers how it feels to be greeted in that fashion... Mar 13 19:39:23 it was a big deal way back when. Mar 13 19:39:34 like december? Mar 13 19:39:47 haeff: :) Mar 13 19:39:54 no, this was about an hour ago. I can't remember December. Mar 13 19:40:01 hey bmyers Mar 13 19:40:04 how myles doing? Mar 13 19:40:06 in fact, an hour is pushing it for me. Mar 13 19:40:10 Bmyers: Indeed it is barber time .. I took my boy this morning Mar 13 19:40:17 hiya swiss Mar 13 19:40:31 Myles is .... depends on when you ask. Mar 13 19:40:45 lttl sis bday party tomorrow. gotta look good Mar 13 19:41:05 I was submitting an update to the catalog last night. During the middle of which I remembered I needed to test overwriting the app catalog version with the new version. Mar 13 19:41:12 found a nasty bug! Mar 13 19:41:24 fixed that & then my Google login stopped working. Mar 13 19:41:25 bmyers: is your boy up to test an app? Mar 13 19:42:16 So, I just got another email about my api Mar 13 19:42:17 the template stuff with the view menu seems pretty straight forward, save for the property substitution part Mar 13 19:42:50 not at the moment. he has the 'i just ate a vegetable' look on this face Mar 13 19:42:55 my turn now Mar 13 19:44:32 * haeffb needs a lap cooler Mar 13 19:44:40 lol Mar 13 19:44:51 well fuck that Mar 13 19:44:51 laptop putting out a lot 'o heat Mar 13 19:45:02 halfhalo_T400: who's emailing you? Mar 13 19:45:10 whitepages Mar 13 19:45:32 I exceeded the free api's 2 query per second limit Mar 13 19:45:32 cease & desist? Mar 13 19:45:48 give us our cut? Mar 13 19:46:01 no, just that I exceeded it Mar 13 19:46:21 Yay, it all works again! Mar 13 19:46:27 I'm waiting to hear back an an email i sent earlier regarding some sort of arrangement for more queries Mar 13 19:46:33 (I think)... Mar 13 19:47:42 * halfhalo_T400 just bumped the wait time between queries from 4x30 to 12x30 in order to not run out before tonight Mar 13 19:48:37 anybody want to test Myles? Mar 13 19:49:44 what's new? Mar 13 19:50:22 need to test upgrade from app cat version to new version. auto-export, export to Google, display total miles Mar 13 19:50:45 sure, i can test Mar 13 19:51:14 Really just want to make sure nothings seriously broken before putting it out there. My PreCentral beta testers are providing no feedback. Mar 13 19:51:32 maybe it's all well then Mar 13 19:52:21 no, *I* keep finding bugs that they don't. Mar 13 19:54:39 device or emu? Mar 13 19:56:45 oooh Mar 13 19:56:56 i found code that talks about finding out if its on the touchstone Mar 13 19:57:10 * Monroe_UKgame perks up Mar 13 19:57:26 That's what I need for work Mar 13 19:57:54 isn't that just charging detection code? Mar 13 19:58:03 hate when my phone gives me email notificaitons while I'm at my desk ... Mar 13 19:58:25 swisstomcat, prolly, but its completely commented out Mar 13 19:58:43 oh Mar 13 19:58:48 interesting Mar 13 19:58:59 and inductive usb connection would be cool Mar 13 19:59:21 yeah i wish.. would save me lots of trouble fiddling with the usb cord for dev mode Mar 13 19:59:30 swisstomcat: either will work. Sending email with 2 versions & instructions. Mar 13 20:00:04 ok, let me know what to test Mar 13 20:00:17 that's in the email. Mar 13 20:00:18 * halfhalo_T400 is watching his app rating fall.... Mar 13 20:00:54 my ratings are actually going up .. from 3.2 to 3.7 Mar 13 20:01:05 well, its at 4.5 right now Mar 13 20:01:09 was at 4.7 Mar 13 20:01:10 anyone know the french for 'tap' as in: 'tap to continue....' ? Mar 13 20:01:37 but its just going to keep dropping since I have to keep upping the query delay Mar 13 20:01:41 le tap to continue ?? Mar 13 20:01:57 ha i don't think so :P Mar 13 20:02:00 :) Mar 13 20:02:42 according to Google: Appuyez sur Mar 13 20:03:10 Appuyez ici pour continuer Mar 13 20:03:12 ya Appuyez ici pour continuer Mar 13 20:03:29 Google wouldn't lie. Mar 13 20:03:31 i guess i'll go with that until a french customer educates me with a 1-star rating Mar 13 20:03:51 appuyez ici seems ok Mar 13 20:03:51 ici is 'here' so it's not totally literal Mar 13 20:04:09 what about german? Mar 13 20:04:23 german's next one thing at a time! :) Mar 13 20:04:34 * swisstomcat does a shameless plug: www.thinmachine.ch/en/service.html Mar 13 20:04:35 of course if you know it off hand i'll take it :) Mar 13 20:04:59 Drücken Sie hier um fortzufahren Mar 13 20:05:55 awesome thanks stc Mar 13 20:06:25 swisstomcat: what do you use for your site development? Mar 13 20:06:39 haeffb: gedit :) Mar 13 20:06:47 hand crafted Mar 13 20:06:52 all hand-coded? Mar 13 20:06:54 yeah Mar 13 20:06:55 awesome. Mar 13 20:07:13 I'm thinking I might go back to that myself. Not happy with Joomla. Mar 13 20:07:15 my app is free so i'll just "confuse my audience and discrediting my company" thanks Mar 13 20:07:28 html is pretty basic and then css adds all the bells and whistles Mar 13 20:07:44 dylanmei: hehe Mar 13 20:08:12 aha. WordPress for the blog. :) Mar 13 20:08:44 machine translations are really confusing .. i see those in the german app catalog all the time .. they don't help .. rather have them in english Mar 13 20:09:00 oh wait i'm open source maybe you can help. i'd be happy to donate. i'll send a mail in a couple hours Mar 13 20:09:07 yes! Mar 13 20:09:10 GO CATS! Mar 13 20:09:34 dylanmei: open source apps are translated without a charge Mar 13 20:09:47 as a service to the community Mar 13 20:10:16 yeah i read that but i'd be more that happy to donate something through paypal. not trying to grease the wheel just karma y'know? Mar 13 20:10:20 ok. Mar 13 20:10:22 swiss ... do you use translation memory in your translations? Mar 13 20:10:45 translation memory? Mar 13 20:10:47 i'll send the email in just a bit. if you have a moment you can find Whendle in the app catalog Mar 13 20:10:58 dylanmei: i won't say no to donations :) Mar 13 20:11:04 kool then :) Mar 13 20:11:28 TM lets you leverage previous translations so that you can do futures jobs quicker/more efficient Mar 13 20:11:50 well, my brain is my translation memory :) Mar 13 20:11:55 hehe Mar 13 20:12:43 dylanmei: oh .. very nice looking app! Mar 13 20:12:48 I was just wondering. I work for a company that has developed a web based system for managing translations projects and hooking into the Trados translation memory servier Mar 13 20:13:08 sounds intersting Mar 13 20:13:11 interesting Mar 13 20:13:43 thx. i am tidying it up before i move onto something else. obviously more languages will help a lot. Mar 13 20:13:45 i know of supertext.ch which might use something like that too Mar 13 20:14:25 Probably ... Trados has about 90% marketshare in the language translations space in the US Mar 13 20:15:26 dylanmei: i'll gladly help by translating it Mar 13 20:15:43 awesome you're a hero. Mar 13 20:19:31 haeffb auto upgrade to myles now? Mar 13 20:20:50 nope. Mar 13 20:20:52 auto export Mar 13 20:23:29 o. Mar 13 20:23:48 my checkin.js works well Mar 13 20:23:56 I dont upgrade often enough to make auto-upgrade worthwhile. Mar 13 20:24:01 did you write a backend to it? Mar 13 20:24:11 heh Mar 13 20:24:13 nope. Mar 13 20:24:19 Google docs Mar 13 20:24:25 I have a "pingme" feature in my apps Mar 13 20:24:57 It will go and ask the server if there are any messages for the phone, and if there are, pops up a scene with the message Mar 13 20:25:55 yeah, that's a feature i'm thinking about too Mar 13 20:26:00 good for communication Mar 13 20:26:20 I just have mine report stuff like device nduid, appid appver Mar 13 20:26:33 well, you can take it one step farther and use it for analytics type stuff Mar 13 20:26:33 device type Mar 13 20:26:54 all I'm using in my current version is deviceid Mar 13 20:27:01 osversion, devicetype, carrier, locale Mar 13 20:27:46 hell, in the currently pushed version of steamfriends its not even looking at the response from the server Mar 13 20:28:15 my auth system in prePages is better Mar 13 20:28:33 I also compare appver if if there is an update I let you user know and link back to the app cat to the app Mar 13 20:28:52 server gets deviceid and version, checks it against a db to see if its authorized yet, and returns the response Mar 13 20:29:09 and if the version is lower than a server-side version, it locks out the device Mar 13 20:30:35 maybe up could point them to the upgrade link Mar 13 20:31:58 I hate the lttl kb for actually trying to writes sentences Mar 13 20:32:26 lol Mar 13 20:32:40 Well, I'm going to re-write my auth system anyways Mar 13 20:32:54 after a rewrite of steamfriends to make it more usable Mar 13 20:39:59 BMyers_Pre: there's an autocorrect dictionary editor in PreCentral somewhere Mar 13 20:40:14 totally unrelated css question: how do you align a background image .. e.g right? Mar 13 20:40:39 swisstomcat use top left Mar 13 20:40:41 i ht th ltl kb fr actly trying to rit sntcs Mar 13 20:41:03 haven't gotton that running again since 1.4 Mar 13 20:41:13 ha ha Mar 13 20:42:35 jen: where? Mar 13 20:42:51 i have ... background-image,background-repeat Mar 13 20:44:48 jen: found it :) Mar 13 20:45:54 oh sorry swisstomcat i didn't even realize you were talking to me Mar 13 20:46:17 now the background image is gone .. hmm Mar 13 20:46:26 background-image: url(../stripe.jpg) top right; Mar 13 20:49:13 guess my css skills suck Mar 13 20:49:16 swisstomcat: background: url(../images/stripe.jpg) top left repeat; Mar 13 20:49:21 see if that works Mar 13 20:50:23 nope Mar 13 20:50:36 firebug doesn't even show the background statement anymore Mar 13 20:50:40 weird Mar 13 20:54:38 jenp: i'm an idiot .. was using background-image instead of background Mar 13 20:55:13 it's working now Mar 13 20:57:41 hey swisstomcat Mar 13 20:59:25 hey noaXess Mar 13 21:01:00 goodnight everyone Mar 13 21:03:19 nite Mar 13 21:06:12 just released Duke3D 1.0.7 Mar 13 21:08:16 man.. wish the google address lookup was on the emulator, hate going into devmode.. Mar 13 21:09:06 isn't it? Mar 13 21:09:38 man, i can't believe google maps on webos still, in march 2010, does not support kml Mar 13 21:10:07 MapTool doeas Mar 13 21:10:10 does Mar 13 21:10:34 thanks, but not much help in an app ;) Mar 13 21:10:46 :) Mar 13 21:44:06 ok, how the hell do I use Mojo.drag Mar 13 22:12:29 hello! Mar 13 22:15:03 hey, anyone around willing to help for a silly question? Mar 13 22:15:12 mebe Mar 13 22:15:27 I'm having some weird warnings with the app menu. It's nothing that affects functionality so far as I can tell... Mar 13 22:15:39 that's normal Mar 13 22:15:50 when I open up the app menu, I get "warning: WidgetController: Could not instantiate widget ' ', since it has not been set up." Mar 13 22:15:52 normal? Mar 13 22:18:42 normal Mar 13 22:19:34 :( Mar 13 22:19:50 "error: animateWithTimer: 113"? Mar 13 22:20:03 thats from the emulator Mar 13 22:20:51 ohhh. Mar 13 22:20:51 ok. Mar 13 22:28:22 for people that are using "hold down to open menu" type functionality, how long are you setting your timeout for before popping up the information? I'm going with 650ms but it feels almost too slow. Mar 13 22:30:25 oh, right, I want to have a "new version notes" page, d'urrr. Mar 13 22:30:29 * Kuraiou gets back to work. Mar 13 22:47:46 More Komodo Add-on news http://webos.templarian.com/komodo/oh-the-joy/ (misleading blog titles are fun). Mar 13 22:49:15 lol Mar 13 22:49:27 i likes your color scheme Mar 13 22:49:30 you should share it Mar 13 22:50:11 ugh Mar 13 22:50:18 i need to rename a scene.. so much to rename Mar 13 22:51:06 ;_; Mar 13 22:52:16 oh yah Mar 13 22:52:32 i figured out how to get setTimeout working for the person that was asking the other day :P Mar 13 22:57:20 that may or may not have been me. I use setTimeout pretty frequently, though... so I guess it depends on the question! Mar 13 23:02:53 dawm: not much to share just right click inspect and snag the colours. :) I personally edit on white, but my black theme uses all neons. Mar 13 23:06:17 there.. main scene and creation scene done, now to make the manage/edit scenes Mar 13 23:07:48 dawm: what is this application you are making again that you are trying to beat him to the catalog with? Mar 13 23:08:06 the ringtone setter via gps coords Mar 13 23:08:16 cause i had the idea a week before he did :P Mar 13 23:08:41 Oh, actually that will be a nice application. Mar 13 23:08:59 yeah, at church you can have a churchy ringer :P Mar 13 23:09:14 and at the bar, a drunknin ringer Mar 13 23:09:24 and the strip club another ringer Mar 13 23:09:54 my ex wanted it so she could have quieter ringers at work, so i figured i'd look into it. Mar 13 23:09:57 maik: are video ringtones possible? Mar 13 23:10:08 im sure with a patch Mar 13 23:10:16 instead of playing the ringer, it fires off a video Mar 13 23:10:49 i'm not sure why you're asking me, but i suppose anything's possible Mar 13 23:10:58 lol Mar 13 23:11:01 though i have to wonder "why the hell would someone want a video ringtone?" Mar 13 23:11:22 same reason people have ringbacks.. Mar 13 23:11:26 my samsung a900 had that feature (came with a sample larry the cable guy one) Mar 13 23:11:27 cause they ca Mar 13 23:11:32 oh don't get me started on that crap Mar 13 23:11:42 like the phone with a projector on it Mar 13 23:11:56 i can at least see the practicality in that Mar 13 23:13:23 i think, video-ringtones are an invention of the content rip-off industrie... (jamba et al here in germany). Mar 13 23:13:56 as in "we are sure there are some idiots (and/or teenies), who think they'll need that when we offer them to buy it... Mar 13 23:27:35 wewt. Just submitted next version of Dice Roller to the app catalog. Mar 13 23:27:56 soo Mar 13 23:27:57 funny, I was going to work on a completely different program today... ah well. Mar 13 23:28:33 does activate() get fired on my first scene if my second scene ends? (gets popped) Mar 13 23:28:59 yep. Mar 13 23:29:07 activate() is fired every time that scene is made active. Mar 13 23:29:09 hrm Mar 13 23:29:11 regardless of whether it's from a push or a pop. Mar 13 23:29:22 doesnt appear to be working on my end Mar 13 23:30:35 :F Mar 13 23:30:53 ok now it is :P Mar 13 23:32:41 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1627&Itemid=43 Mar 13 23:32:46 that explains everything in detail. Mar 13 23:33:08 oh it was working Mar 13 23:33:14 i just had a interval set longer than i wanted :p Mar 13 23:36:46 heh Mar 13 23:37:04 alright, I'm gonna go take a break. Today was really, really productive, so I earned it /o/ Mar 13 23:38:34 * Templarian is killing time till he celebrates st patricks day at 9:00 Mar 13 23:38:44 (half off drinks :) ) Mar 13 23:42:29 i really need to make the manage profiles scene.. im getting sick of uninstalling and reinstalling to test since i cannot delete the premade/user created data ;p Mar 13 23:45:08 * Templarian thinks this is why komodo has macros. Mar 13 23:50:17 (I'm rewriting them completely to make them rediculously easy for people to use). Mar 13 23:54:45 good Mar 14 00:58:54 hrm Mar 14 00:59:01 no Mar 14 00:59:04 my toggles dont work after a canceled SwipeToDelete Mar 14 00:59:54 * halfhalo_T400 is definity NOT playing with ruby, irc, and xmpp Mar 14 01:02:09 srly Mar 14 01:02:17 how long does it take gem to update itself Mar 14 01:13:14 hi all Mar 14 01:13:33 soo.. ive got a toggle in a dynamic list, but i want to disable it.. how would i do that? Mar 14 01:13:59 also.. after a cancelled swipetodelete the toggle stops working in that list item Mar 14 01:16:09 Is there another place to discuss PDK or is it here too? Mar 14 01:17:29 awesome.. i figured out how to disable the toggle ;D Mar 14 01:17:37 now to fix the swipetodelete cancelled bug Mar 14 01:19:52 OH Mar 14 01:19:53 MY Mar 14 01:19:55 GOD Mar 14 01:19:58 It worked Mar 14 01:23:09 hi JenP Mar 14 01:23:44 hi haeffb! Mar 14 01:26:48 argjh.... why is this freaking broke Mar 14 01:39:55 hmmm Mar 14 01:50:13 damn it Mar 14 01:50:26 all i need to do is fix this one bug.. Mar 14 01:50:39 and i can spit out a 'beta' copy for someoen to test Mar 14 01:55:39 hey monroe, im pretty much done :P just need to make the help scene, preferences and fix one bug Mar 14 01:55:54 oh and make the icon Mar 14 01:56:22 whoop tee doo! Mar 14 01:56:24 :) Mar 14 01:57:14 seriously though .. congrats Mar 14 01:57:48 learned alot, bunch of stuff i didnt use yet Mar 14 01:58:53 speaking of learning a lot ... is it possible to detect if/when user hits Enter when typing in a textfield? Mar 14 01:59:10 sure Mar 14 01:59:23 just watch for the keyPress event Mar 14 02:00:28 hmm that would certainly get the job done Mar 14 02:00:56 the documentation only lists the propertyChange event for the textfield Mar 14 02:01:13 yeah Mar 14 02:01:17 but inside event Mar 14 02:01:20 theres a ton of data Mar 14 02:01:24 ah Mar 14 02:01:30 just dump event to the log Mar 14 02:01:36 yeah I will Mar 14 02:01:40 Mojo.Log.info(Object.toJSON(event)); Mar 14 02:02:28 I just didn't know if it would fire the propertyChange event when Enter is pressed, since it's not a "character" per se Mar 14 02:02:51 i can look Mar 14 02:03:00 I'll check it out Mar 14 02:03:29 hrm Mar 14 02:03:55 it doesnt appear to Mar 14 02:03:58 hmm Mar 14 02:04:01 but i also dont have enterSubmits set Mar 14 02:04:14 yeah .. enterSubmits is what I really want to do Mar 14 02:04:19 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1932&Itemid=239 Mar 14 02:05:09 you you have to have multiline = true to use enterSubmits? Mar 14 02:05:23 no idea Mar 14 02:05:49 Enter is special Mar 14 02:06:22 yeah, basically, I'm trying to achieve enterSubmits with a single line box Mar 14 02:07:46 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=4632&hilit=enter+key+textfield Mar 14 02:08:28 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4169&hilit=enter+key+textfield Mar 14 02:12:01 nice haeffb .. looks like that second post has what I need Mar 14 02:12:10 Now if I could just get some styling to work Mar 14 02:15:06 hrm this bug is frustrating Mar 14 02:17:24 Cancel in swipeToDelete list item disables widgets in list Mar 14 02:17:54 hmm Mar 14 02:30:13 bleh Mar 14 02:30:27 * Monroe needs a TextField control that's more flexible for styling Mar 14 02:33:04 monroe how do you need it styled? Mar 14 02:33:33 Wow, palm just can't seem to stop screwing me. Mar 14 02:33:55 Palm changed my app from paid to free on me then suspended it to then restore it's price and republish it. Mar 14 02:34:21 nice Mar 14 02:34:30 i was wondering why it went free then paid Mar 14 02:35:07 Because palm wanted to give away 3800 copies it seems.... Mar 14 02:35:34 In better news, I broke 10k downloads of minefield :) Mar 14 02:42:53 Jen .. I need to change the textfield's height, and have the background stay white, even when it's not focused Mar 14 02:43:02 gnite Mar 14 02:43:09 timechange means i lose sleep :( Mar 14 02:43:11 Monroe: Change the css Mar 14 02:43:13 night dawm Mar 14 02:43:28 im gonna 'field test' my app tomorrow Mar 14 02:43:38 i hope it breaks ;) Mar 14 02:43:41 just kidding Mar 14 02:44:05 I'd offer to help test, but I'm guessing you won't be up for that :) Mar 14 02:44:28 lol Mar 14 02:45:06 Tibfib .. you are saying to re-declare the css classes that apply to the textfield in my app's css file, setting them as I need them? I thought about doing that ... Mar 14 02:45:19 Monroe: to keep the background white: http://webos.pastebin.com/3v7XDnp1 Mar 14 02:45:22 try that Mar 14 02:45:32 copy the picture from the sdk Mar 14 02:45:44 wait that might be the wrong image Mar 14 02:46:12 this one: http://webos.pastebin.com/xArLWLB8 Mar 14 02:46:41 Should cover em, just need to copy over the images from the sdk... Mar 14 02:46:58 yep .. I'll have to give that a try Mar 14 02:47:13 .textfield-group{ Mar 14 02:47:13 margin-top: -1px; Mar 14 02:47:13 border-width: 15px; Mar 14 02:47:13 -webkit-border-image: url(../images/group-textfield-shadow-52.png) 15 15 15 15 stretch stretch; Mar 14 02:47:13 } Mar 14 02:47:23 I'll have to alter it a bit as my text field is in a palm-header, not a palm-group, but I get the idea Mar 14 02:48:05 Yep Mar 14 02:50:03 * halfhalo_T400 is playing with air **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 14 02:59:56 2010