**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 18 02:59:56 2010
Mar 18 03:12:06 <Roy-Pre101> poor twitter.
Mar 18 03:17:44 <zsoc> hm?
Mar 18 03:20:09 <Bmyers> anyone know how to get the user agent of the browser?
Mar 18 04:16:25 <jlazaroff> anyone know how to disable the default styles?
Mar 18 04:56:21 <JenP> are you saying you want to?
Mar 18 06:01:47 <rwhitby> javascript question: how do I grab the last N characters from a string in javascript?
Mar 18 06:03:47 <rwhitby> aha, substring with a negative number for start.  I wonder what happens if it's too negative ...
Mar 18 06:12:44 <rwhitby> http://docs.sun.com/source/816-6408-10/string.htm#1194618 - it works like I want it to.
Mar 18 13:21:03 <Kuraiou> yo ho
Mar 18 13:21:08 <Bmyers> yo yo yo
Mar 18 13:22:06 <Bmyers> any ubuntu or linux users know the trick to get the pre to cleaning umount as a USB drive?
Mar 18 13:22:27 <Bmyers> cleanly...
Mar 18 13:32:50 <Kuraiou> nope :(
Mar 18 13:32:55 <Kuraiou> I'm using ubuntu, but only as my work computer.
Mar 18 13:37:16 <Bmyers> hi haeffb_pre:
Mar 18 13:37:38 <haeffb_pre> morning
Mar 18 13:38:28 <Bmyers> hows trix?
Mar 18 13:45:09 <haeffb_pre> haven't seen her
Mar 18 14:54:04 <halfhalo_T400> ...
Mar 18 14:54:18 <halfhalo_T400> WOOOO!!!! ITS NOT BROKEN ANYMORE
Mar 18 14:57:19 <jlazaroff> halfhalo_T400: w00t w00t!
Mar 18 14:57:23 <jlazaroff> ...what's not broken anymore?
Mar 18 14:58:30 <halfhalo_T400> last night #webos would not let me talk
Mar 18 15:01:18 <jlazaroff> ...really
Mar 18 15:01:21 <jlazaroff> odd
Mar 18 15:01:37 <jlazaroff> well, welcome back :)
Mar 18 15:52:27 <codeslaw_> yo
Mar 18 16:01:43 <halfhalo_T400> HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO SPRINGFIELD!
Mar 18 16:02:24 <joetweeply> holla wisconsin
Mar 18 16:02:35 <halfhalo_T400> heh
Mar 18 16:08:02 <codeslaw_> yoyoyo
Mar 18 16:08:17 <halfhalo_T400> yippie yo kai ey
Mar 18 16:08:19 <codeslaw_> anyone know how to read a value from your appinfo.json file? are tehy loaded into mojo params somewhere
Mar 18 16:08:34 <halfhalo_T400> Mojo.appInfo.version
Mar 18 16:08:37 <halfhalo_T400> like that
Mar 18 16:08:47 <halfhalo_T400> Forgot who told me that
Mar 18 16:11:19 <jlazaroff> question: how do i use an external javascript file as the assistant for a custom dialog?
Mar 18 16:13:09 <codeslaw_> jlazaroff: this.controller.showDialog({
Mar 18 16:13:10 <codeslaw_> 		template: 'dialogs/my-dialog',
Mar 18 16:13:10 <codeslaw_> 		assistant: new MyDialogAssistant(this)
Mar 18 16:13:10 <codeslaw_> 	});
Mar 18 16:13:28 <codeslaw_> have your dialog template in the views/dialogs
Mar 18 16:13:40 <codeslaw_> and your assistant in the assistants path
Mar 18 16:14:11 <jlazaroff> and it'll figure it out on its own?  i don't have to add it to sources.json or anything?
Mar 18 16:15:34 <haeffb_pre> the assistant needs to be in sources.json
Mar 18 16:16:25 <codeslaw_> yes
Mar 18 16:16:55 <codeslaw_> every js file needs to be in sources, or included in the index
Mar 18 16:18:22 <jlazaroff> gotcha
Mar 18 16:21:02 <jlazaroff> [20100318-12:20:34.988662] error: Uncaught ReferenceError: goToUserAssistant is not defined, app/assistants/stage-assistant.js:34
Mar 18 16:21:17 <jlazaroff> here's my code: http://pastebin.com/u2GCHtHW
Mar 18 16:22:07 <jlazaroff> the template file is at views/dialogs/goToUser.html, and the javascript file is at assistants/gotouser-assistant.js
Mar 18 16:22:31 <jlazaroff> and i added this to sources.json: 	{ "dialogs": "goToUser", "source": "app/assistants/gotouser-assistant.js" }
Mar 18 16:24:19 <codeslaw_> change the sources.json entry to this
Mar 18 16:24:35 <codeslaw_> {"source": "app/assistants/gotouser-assistant.js"}
Mar 18 16:24:50 <codeslaw_> don't need to specify
Mar 18 16:25:09 <codeslaw_> though that might not make a difference
Mar 18 16:25:20 <codeslaw_> i also put them at the top of sources.json
Mar 18 16:25:30 <codeslaw_> i can't remember everything i did to get them working, its been a while since i messed with them
Mar 18 16:33:05 <Kuraiou> jlazaroff: are you making your dialog assistants via Class.create() or standard prototyping?
Mar 18 16:35:42 <codeslaw_> what is the link to send someone to the app catalog in the phone?
Mar 18 16:35:44 <codeslaw_> http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.codeslaw.paintrlite
Mar 18 16:35:48 <codeslaw_> sends to the web feed
Mar 18 16:36:14 <halfhalo_T400> use the sms thingie and see what thar says?
Mar 18 16:36:23 <codeslaw_> bah ok
Mar 18 16:36:40 <jlazaroff> Kuraiou: here's my code http://pastebin.com/u2GCHtHW
Mar 18 16:36:55 <jlazaroff> case "goToUser" in the handleCommand()
Mar 18 16:39:38 <codeslaw_> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.codeslaw.paintrlite
Mar 18 16:40:22 <codeslaw_> putting a news feed on the front page of the app == link to the latest version for people who havent upgraded
Mar 18 16:40:34 <codeslaw_> i'll see today if it causes a larger download spike than usual
Mar 18 16:41:43 <codeslaw_> its cool because i can include javascript in the news feed to determine the app version
Mar 18 16:41:55 <halfhalo_T400> OR
Mar 18 16:42:02 <halfhalo_T400> just use Mojo.appInfo.version
Mar 18 16:42:08 <codeslaw_> i did
Mar 18 16:42:40 <codeslaw_> i wrote a small script tag on my webserver that checks mojo version, and displays an update message if they haven't yet
Mar 18 16:43:09 <codeslaw_> that get's ajaxed into the app
Mar 18 16:43:21 <halfhalo_T400> heh
Mar 18 16:43:48 <halfhalo_T400> mine connects to auth.php on my server passing version up with it and getting json back
Mar 18 16:44:42 <codeslaw_> that's a much more secure method
Mar 18 16:44:51 <codeslaw_> this version checking is an afterthought
Mar 18 16:44:51 <codeslaw_> BUT
Mar 18 16:45:04 <codeslaw_> i just realized... i can PATCH BUGS from the ajax feed!
Mar 18 16:45:30 <halfhalo_T400> lol
Mar 18 16:45:34 <codeslaw_> my god...
Mar 18 16:45:41 <Kuraiou> jlazaroff: that's not what I'm asking. I'm talking about gotouser-assistant.js
Mar 18 16:45:50 <codeslaw_> trying this
Mar 18 16:48:49 <codeslaw_> IT WORKS
Mar 18 16:49:21 <jlazaroff> Kuraiou: oh, standard prototyping
Mar 18 16:49:26 <codeslaw_> modifying the prototype from within a javascript downloaded via ajax, i can hotfix any bug in the app
Mar 18 16:49:33 <codeslaw_> does anyone see any major security issues with this?
Mar 18 16:51:58 <Kuraiou> I have had issues with dialogues when using Class.create()
Mar 18 16:52:05 <Kuraiou> but... hrmm
Mar 18 16:52:09 <Kuraiou> it's possible if the new Blah() fails
Mar 18 16:52:11 <Kuraiou> that it won't work
Mar 18 16:52:16 <Kuraiou> if there's some other kind of bufg
Mar 18 16:53:16 <jlazaroff> is there something in particular i have to call it?
Mar 18 16:53:26 <jlazaroff> or will it work just as well with new Blah(this)
Mar 18 16:53:28 <maik> bob
Mar 18 16:53:34 <maik> you must call it bob
Mar 18 16:54:15 <jlazaroff> error'd! ReferenceError: bob is not defined
Mar 18 16:54:16 <jlazaroff> :(
Mar 18 16:54:19 <jlazaroff> poor bob
Mar 18 16:55:12 <maik> awe
Mar 18 16:58:31 <jlazaroff> how does it know which javascript file Blah refers to, though?
Mar 18 17:17:39 <halfhalo> so, apparently my bugs are still preswnt on my phone
Mar 18 17:18:12 <halfhalo> I think it's the diff between 1.3.5 and 1.4 that's giving me issues
Mar 18 17:18:42 <halfhalo> and I think i'm going to cache the images on the phone now
Mar 18 17:23:52 <codeslaw_> my god, the ImageView widget is taking YEARS to show an image that i ALREADY LOADED on the previous scene
Mar 18 17:24:01 <codeslaw_> something is really screwed
Mar 18 17:42:52 <LoneStar99> good morning folks
Mar 18 17:43:21 <halfhalo_T400> elephant
Mar 18 18:00:04 <haeffb> jlazaroff: did you get the dialog working?
Mar 18 18:24:27 <jlazaroff> haeffb: nope :(
Mar 18 18:24:49 <jlazaroff> i took a break from it to work on the styling
Mar 18 18:31:04 <haeffb_pre> did you change the sources.json as suggested above
Mar 18 18:40:49 <jlazaroff> yup -_-
Mar 18 18:41:22 <jlazaroff> what i don't understand is how the program knows to look to that javascript file
Mar 18 18:41:36 <jlazaroff> like there's nothing that says "hey, when making this dialog, use that assistant"
Mar 18 18:41:40 <haeffb_pre> remove the dialogs line?
Mar 18 18:42:23 <jlazaroff> yeah
Mar 18 18:42:28 <jlazaroff> here's the errror: [20100318-14:42:14.308600] error: error'd! ReferenceError: goToUserAssistant is not defined
Mar 18 18:42:40 <haeffb_pre> that is the assistant property in showDialog
Mar 18 18:42:58 <jlazaroff> yup
Mar 18 18:43:32 <haeffb_pre> that tells it what assistant to use
Mar 18 18:44:41 <warpdesign> hi
Mar 18 18:44:52 <codeslaw_> is the download count in My Apps up to date?
Mar 18 18:44:59 <haeffb_pre> so. you have gotouser-assistant defined in sources.json
Mar 18 18:45:40 <haeffb_pre> and in that file is goToUserAssistant = function(...) ...
Mar 18 18:45:59 <Is_907> I'm having trouble getting my Palm Developer Account upgraded so I can start actually distributing apps etc... is this the right place to ask for advice about that? hoping someone here has had a similar experience
Mar 18 18:46:09 <haeffb_pre> is it small g or big G ?
Mar 18 18:46:51 <codeslaw_> Is_907: forums are usually best for that, but you may find someone here
Mar 18 18:47:16 <Is_907> codeslaw_: I've been reading the forums but haven't seen any info about this issue yet... hoping for the "quick fix" ;)
Mar 18 18:47:28 <Is_907> basically I can't get Palm to accept my credit card via PayPal to do the $99 fee
Mar 18 18:47:36 <codeslaw_> what happens when you try
Mar 18 18:47:42 <Is_907> it keeps asking for a *new* credit card, won't use one i have on  file at paypal
Mar 18 18:48:02 <Is_907> so i delete the card from my paypal account and try to add it during the payment process from developer.palm.com and it refuses
Mar 18 18:48:14 <codeslaw_> haeffb: constructors can be defined like: function GoToUserAssistant(args) { .... }
Mar 18 18:48:36 <codeslaw_> Is_907: how does it refuse?
Mar 18 18:49:00 <Is_907> says I need to use one of the payment types mentioned below... but when i put in the card number it highlights the Visa logo, so it knows i'm using a real visa card
Mar 18 18:49:27 <Is_907> that's why i was hoping i could tell it to use a card on file at paypal... becuase paypal confirms the card just fine
Mar 18 18:50:21 <haeffb_pre> codeslaw:  yes but his assistant ia 'undefined'
Mar 18 18:52:44 <codeslaw_> Is_907: sounds like a pretty specific issue.  try emailing pdc@palm.com
Mar 18 18:52:58 <Is_907> codeslaw_: Okay, I'll do that. Thanks anyway (=
Mar 18 18:53:01 <codeslaw_> jlazaroff: post your latest code
Mar 18 18:53:07 <codeslaw_> np, sorry i can't help you further
Mar 18 18:53:36 <Is_907> (=
Mar 18 18:56:03 <_lance_> Anyone here know the trileet guys?
Mar 18 18:57:13 <jlazaroff> haeffb: ah, sorry
Mar 18 18:57:40 <jlazaroff> i'm in the middle of wading through after effects issues for an assignment due at 4
Mar 18 18:57:44 <jlazaroff> it's rendering now, though, so i'll post the code
Mar 18 18:58:06 <Tibfib> _lance_: are they the peeps that did newsroom?
Mar 18 18:58:11 <_lance_> yup
Mar 18 18:58:28 <Tibfib> Yeahh, I don't think they hang around here
Mar 18 18:58:46 <_lance_> ah
Mar 18 18:59:07 <jlazaroff> http://pastebin.com/XVaHKLLN
Mar 18 18:59:13 <_lance_> I'm hoping I can buy an ipk from them, sick of waiting for bell to enable canadian app store
Mar 18 18:59:19 <_lance_> delicious morsel said no
Mar 18 19:00:46 <Tibfib> aren't there free rss readers?
Mar 18 19:01:03 <Tibfib> http://www.getsatisfaction.com/trileet
Mar 18 19:01:04 <_lance_> not one that does opml import, or offline browsing, or syncs with greader
Mar 18 19:01:20 <_lance_> most of my reading gets done in the subway with no reception
Mar 18 19:01:20 <Tibfib> news room doesn't sync with greader
Mar 18 19:01:41 <_lance_> no, but offline browsing is nice, and i think i can opml import
Mar 18 19:01:54 <haeffb_pre> jlazaroff:  little g vs BIG G
Mar 18 19:01:56 <jlazaroff> Tibfib: that's so annoying -_-
Mar 18 19:02:10 <jlazaroff> haeffb_pre: new error now [20100318-15:00:43.985630] error: error'd! TypeError: Object #<an anonymous> has no method 'showDialog'
Mar 18 19:02:28 <Tibfib> jlazaroff: what is?
Mar 18 19:03:09 <jlazaroff> Tibfib: that newsroom doesn't support google reader
Mar 18 19:03:13 <jlazaroff> the interface is so nice, though
Mar 18 19:03:35 <Tibfib> Ah, I like it. I don't really use G reader...
Mar 18 19:03:41 <Tibfib> So no big deal here.
Mar 18 19:03:52 <Tibfib> It's perfect for me
Mar 18 19:04:40 <jlazaroff> the only reason i really want google reader sync is so i can have persistence between the read items on newsroom and the reader on my computer
Mar 18 19:05:12 <Tibfib> Yeah, I can understand that...But for me, I read the real sites on my computer, and rss feeds on my pre.
Mar 18 19:05:22 <haeffb_pre> jlazaroff:  showDialog is method of sceneAssistant, not stageAssistant
Mar 18 19:06:24 <_lance_> Tibfib: I create screen scrapers that give me full feed RSSes and read that on my ereader
Mar 18 19:06:37 <_lance_> Also paid $5 for the premium ars technica sub
Mar 18 19:06:44 <_lance_> for the full feed rss
Mar 18 19:07:28 <_lance_> python + beautifulsoup = <3
Mar 18 19:08:26 <Tibfib> _lance_: nice
Mar 18 19:08:38 <_lance_> yahoo pipes are great for it too
Mar 18 19:10:42 <jlazaroff> haeffb_pre: oh.  can i not call showDialog from stage-assistant?
Mar 18 19:11:23 <haeffb_pre> you can if you can get a reference to the sceneController
Mar 18 19:11:46 <codeslaw_> just drank some awful, AWFUL coffee
Mar 18 19:11:52 <codeslaw_> i think i need to clean my thermos
Mar 18 19:13:41 <jlazaroff> haeffb_pre: hey, it works!
Mar 18 19:13:42 <jlazaroff> thanks a lot :)
Mar 18 19:13:45 <_lance_> i was going to ask if you went to tim hortons
Mar 18 19:26:58 <jlazaroff> hmm, another weird error
Mar 18 19:27:03 <jlazaroff> or warning, actually
Mar 18 19:27:07 <jlazaroff> this happens when i pull up the app menu
Mar 18 19:27:09 <jlazaroff> [20100318-15:26:07.634187] warning: WidgetController: Could not instantiate widget '  ', since it has not been set up.
Mar 18 19:29:25 <jlazaroff> i'm not sure which widget it's trying to set up though
Mar 18 19:33:11 <haeffb_pre> normal warning msg
Mar 18 19:34:22 <jlazaroff> oh
Mar 18 19:34:24 <jlazaroff> fair enough, then
Mar 18 19:34:39 <jlazaroff> do i need to pass the scene's context to the dialog assistant?
Mar 18 19:37:47 <codeslaw_> jlazaroff: yes, if you need to access it
Mar 18 19:38:11 <codeslaw_> anyone have experience with the FilterList?
Mar 18 19:38:37 <haeffb> codeslaw: some
Mar 18 19:38:46 <jlazaroff> i need to set up widgets...
Mar 18 19:39:34 <haeffb> jlazaroff: in that case, yes.
Mar 18 19:39:52 <jlazaroff> win!
Mar 18 19:39:54 * MetaView listens to Fehlfarben
Mar 18 19:39:55 <jlazaroff> thanks :)
Mar 18 19:40:22 <haeffb> codeslaw: here's code that works for me: http://www.pastie.org/875987
Mar 18 19:41:17 <codeslaw_> perfect, i was just about to ask how the filter function should behave
Mar 18 19:41:19 <codeslaw_> thanks
Mar 18 19:41:59 <codeslaw_> my list is about 1k long and growing, i'm hoping the string searches don't royally hang
Mar 18 19:44:32 <MetaView> I use it with 100 longer strings and it works fine
Mar 18 19:44:44 <MetaView> even if I convert to UPPERCASE before
Mar 18 19:45:24 <codeslaw_> word
Mar 18 19:47:05 <Tibfib> I used a search function on a file that was 564kbs and it was a laggy... So i changed it to only search when you press the search button, instead of on every keypress
Mar 18 19:50:03 <_lance_> oh good, can+mex paid apps announced "soon"
Mar 18 19:53:43 <codeslaw_> hey haeffb, quick optimization in your search loop
Mar 18 19:54:08 <codeslaw_> if you replace AGENDA.someEvents.push(AGENDA.allEvents[i]) with AGENDA.someEvents.push(s), you'll save on array lookups
Mar 18 19:56:31 <haeffb> codeslaw: thanks.
Mar 18 19:57:32 <haeffb> where is media/internal folder for emu?
Mar 18 20:04:15 <swisstomcat> evening
Mar 18 20:09:23 <_azdak> Hey yall
Mar 18 20:15:06 <haeffb> hi swisstomcat & _azdak
Mar 18 20:15:17 <swisstomcat> hey haeffb
Mar 18 20:15:20 <swisstomcat> and azdak
Mar 18 20:18:26 <_azdak> Has anybody gotten WebOS to play multi-channel sound? The API docs seem to sort of imply it's possible, but after trying several different ways, it's not looking doable
Mar 18 20:21:34 <codeslaw_> so if i have a long list that has images in it, do i need to invalidate items as they are scrolled away in order to keep memory in control?
Mar 18 20:27:43 <swisstomcat> azdak: there was someone here trying it but you're probably better off using the PDK
Mar 18 20:27:51 <swisstomcat> hey codeslaw
Mar 18 20:29:16 <MetaView> for the PDK you can do it
Mar 18 20:29:22 <MetaView> WIDK at least
Mar 18 20:29:53 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: would you like to beta-test my new app?
Mar 18 20:32:49 <_azdak> swisstomcat & MetaView - yeah, I'd just really prefer to release the app this quarter. I was just wondering if anybody had gotten it to work *at all*. I may just end up releasing with a simpler single-track sound set up and working on a PDK sound system for update
Mar 18 20:38:06 <swisstomcat> hey lonestar
Mar 18 20:40:42 <codeslaw_> anyway to make the filter field in a filterlist always be showing?
Mar 18 20:41:58 <codeslaw_> and have the spinner stop spinning up there when it's done?
Mar 18 20:42:23 <swisstomcat> bah, all the cool stuff is happing in san francisco :(
Mar 18 20:42:35 <haeffb> try the open() method?
Mar 18 20:44:59 * haeffb going mobile.
Mar 18 20:50:28 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: check the app whendle (open source) where the filterlist in the scene is always active
Mar 18 20:56:32 <MetaView> codeslaw_: the spinner stops when you set the count
Mar 18 20:56:48 <codeslaw_> MetaView: ya just found it, error in my filter function wasn't setting it
Mar 18 20:59:18 <MetaView> ok
Mar 18 21:12:30 <MetaView> hehe, multi voice works fine with WIDK (aka SDL)
Mar 18 21:12:45 <MetaView> but all my sounds are looped.. oh, oh , oh
Mar 18 21:13:13 <MetaView> Music, Duke speech, and some shot sounds make a nice sound box
Mar 18 21:13:26 <MetaView> ah, over
Mar 18 21:19:58 <MetaView> sound is lagging
Mar 18 21:54:24 <swisstomcat> d'night
Mar 18 21:54:28 <swisstomcat> g'night even
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Mar 18 22:57:32 <jfelectron> haeffb:   got a little something for you http://github.com/jfelectron/OAuth-for-WebOS
Mar 18 22:58:09 <pandora--> whats up #webos?
Mar 18 23:00:51 <noaXess> not mutch :)
Mar 18 23:04:36 <noaXess> hello :) wasup really?..
Mar 18 23:07:36 <pandora--> erm
Mar 18 23:07:38 <JenP> hi all!
Mar 18 23:07:39 <pandora--> chillin
Mar 18 23:07:41 <pandora--> having coffee
Mar 18 23:07:44 <pandora--> hey JenP :)
Mar 18 23:07:45 <noaXess> or chill out :)
Mar 18 23:07:55 <noaXess> it's 0_07 am.. here
Mar 18 23:07:57 <JenP> pandora omg it's sooo hot
Mar 18 23:11:09 <pandora--> JenP: where are you again?
Mar 18 23:11:21 <pandora--> JenP: it was crazy hot here earlier this week
Mar 18 23:11:43 <pandora--> in los angeles
Mar 18 23:11:45 <JenP> san diego
Mar 18 23:11:46 <JenP> got the AC running
Mar 18 23:12:12 <pandora--> ah ya
Mar 18 23:12:12 <pandora--> i was reallllly close to kicking on the AC yesterday
Mar 19 00:06:02 <halfhalo_T400> well dang
Mar 19 00:06:14 <halfhalo_T400> Gotta re-write my app to use local imags
Mar 19 00:13:04 <_azdak> Has anybody gotten multi-channel audio to work using just the SDK?
Mar 19 00:13:48 <_azdak> (as in simultaneous sounds)
Mar 19 02:58:45 * haeffb back in after 3 hrs at the Irish pub
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