**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 21 02:59:56 2010
Mar 21 06:12:02 <alexfner> anyone here?
Mar 21 06:15:31 <halfhalo_T400> no
Mar 21 06:21:17 <halfhalo_T400> well THIS is an interesting side effect....
Mar 21 06:24:07 <JenP> halfhalo_T400: what happened now?
Mar 21 06:24:23 <halfhalo_T400> Well, half my friendslist does not appear in my app
Mar 21 06:31:17 <JStraitiff> anyone know the hotkey to get to the lockscreen in the webOS simulator?
Mar 21 06:31:29 <halfhalo_T400> don't think you can....
Mar 21 06:33:19 <JStraitiff> well when you start it up sometimes it goes to the lockscreen
Mar 21 06:33:34 <JStraitiff> for some reason it started doing it to me just today
Mar 21 06:33:40 <halfhalo_T400> never knew that...
Mar 21 06:33:48 <JStraitiff> is there a gesture or something that locks it?
Mar 21 06:33:54 <JStraitiff> or is it the button on top only
Mar 21 06:34:11 <JStraitiff> on the actual device
Mar 21 06:34:25 <halfhalo_T400> button only
Mar 21 06:34:35 <halfhalo_T400> well looook who it is!
Mar 21 06:35:44 <halfhalo_T400> you know, I should probly stopoverriding my db every pageview, but meh
Mar 21 06:46:44 <alexfner> I'm having a problem guys
Mar 21 06:46:46 <alexfner> and gals
Mar 21 06:46:53 <halfhalo_T400> orly
Mar 21 06:50:06 <alexfner> I am trying to figure out a data structure so that I can use a setInterval to repeatedly execture an objects method
Mar 21 06:50:06 <alexfner> the other posibility is to make a function that increments an object's parameter, using setInterval
Mar 21 06:50:06 <alexfner> in the first case, the problem is vast
Mar 21 06:50:13 <alexfner> the second case, the only problem I'm having is trying to write a function that can run on any object, as if it was a method of that class
Mar 21 06:50:17 <alexfner> are you following me?
Mar 21 06:51:03 <halfhalo_T400> why not make a class containing the object and method and be done?
Mar 21 06:51:17 <alexfner> well here's the deal
Mar 21 06:51:29 <alexfner> There are one hundred of these objects of the same class
Mar 21 06:51:49 <alexfner> so the reason for the repetition is two fold
Mar 21 06:52:38 <halfhalo_T400> Don't know how to help you, sorry....
Mar 21 06:52:42 <alexfner> BOO
Mar 21 07:03:22 <ron_frown> so what do you guys think
Mar 21 07:03:32 <ron_frown> all these rumors about palm tanking going to fail?
Mar 21 07:03:54 <ron_frown> er
Mar 21 07:06:57 <alexfner> who knows
Mar 21 07:07:07 <alexfner> I was trying to think about why they haven't taken off
Mar 21 07:07:11 <ron_frown> its easy
Mar 21 07:07:16 <alexfner> I really like their idea of what a phone should be
Mar 21 07:07:21 <ron_frown> pre and pixi are substandard hardware
Mar 21 07:07:22 <alexfner> webOS really turns me on :D
Mar 21 07:07:31 <ron_frown> they really should put it on a premium phone
Mar 21 07:07:32 <alexfner> but the pre is the same hardware as the iphone 3gS
Mar 21 07:07:36 <ron_frown> the os itself works really quite well
Mar 21 07:07:42 <alexfner> and no one says that about the iphone 3gS
Mar 21 07:07:47 <ron_frown> alexfner: the keyboard is so crappy they should have just left it off
Mar 21 07:07:58 <ron_frown> bigger screen would have been better
Mar 21 07:08:05 <alexfner> I really like the physical keyboard, and probably wouldn't have bought it if they didn't have it
Mar 21 07:08:17 <alexfner> admittedly it isn't super clicky, but I like it
Mar 21 07:08:21 <ron_frown> wtf
Mar 21 07:08:24 <alexfner> I mean, I guess all that stuff is true
Mar 21 07:08:25 <ron_frown> I got my sound playing stuff going
Mar 21 07:08:30 <alexfner> but for a certain market
Mar 21 07:08:32 <ron_frown> but the volume is all over the place on playback
Mar 21 07:08:42 <alexfner> I mean, I like that the phone isn't mega huge or anything
Mar 21 07:09:00 <ron_frown> well I have the google phone
Mar 21 07:09:03 <ron_frown> and that thing is slick
Mar 21 07:09:54 <ron_frown> media stuff in html5 sucks big fatty
Mar 21 07:10:00 <ron_frown> thus media in webos suck big fatty
Mar 21 07:11:12 <alexfner> hmm, I'm not sure
Mar 21 07:11:22 <alexfner> It's just not quite ready for prime time
Mar 21 07:12:39 <alexfner> I noticed that the difference between palm and apple is that palm is willing to put things on it's phone that aren't quite ready for prime time, as represented by html5, and the necessity of the PDS
Mar 21 07:12:41 <alexfner> PDK*
Mar 21 07:12:49 <alexfner> as well as flash
Mar 21 07:12:53 <alexfner> is another good example
Mar 21 07:13:52 <alexfner> I don't mean html5 isn't ready for prime time, but it isn't finished yet, and it isn't ready (at least not in 1.4) to be used as the primary media interface for webOS SDK apps
Mar 21 07:15:02 <ron_frown> well the media apis in html5 are just crap in the first place
Mar 21 07:15:09 <ron_frown> looks like 10 year olds designed it
Mar 21 07:15:15 <ron_frown> but if it worked reliably I'd be down
Mar 21 07:15:22 <ron_frown> its really nto responsive
Mar 21 07:15:36 <ron_frown> I am considering writing a pdk plugin and wrapper so people can use sound from their apps reliably
Mar 21 07:28:06 <alexfner> well do it
Mar 21 07:28:14 <alexfner> you've been talking about it for years
Mar 21 07:28:25 <ron_frown> I know I thought I had worked out the kinks
Mar 21 07:28:28 <ron_frown> I got it working mostly
Mar 21 07:28:35 <ron_frown> but still way too laggy and way too unreliable
Mar 21 07:28:55 <ron_frown> tap same sound over and over, and it starts varying audio levels and starts IN the wav at the wrong location
Mar 21 07:29:08 <ron_frown> alexfner: I am working on it now as we speak
Mar 21 07:29:17 <ron_frown> I'll open source it
Mar 21 07:29:33 <ron_frown> seeing as its going to just be a wrapper it shouldnt matter anyway
Mar 21 07:32:24 <alexfner> do you think anyone cares about canvas games?
Mar 21 07:32:28 <alexfner> I'm working on one now
Mar 21 07:32:38 <alexfner> with the pdk though, are they irrelevant?
Mar 21 07:32:42 <ron_frown> I'd definately be interested to see what people come up with
Mar 21 07:32:50 <ron_frown> alexfner: the point is with those games
Mar 21 07:32:52 <ron_frown> if you can run them fast
Mar 21 07:32:55 <ron_frown> why not do it with mojo
Mar 21 07:33:04 <alexfner> wait, what?
Mar 21 07:33:11 <alexfner> you mean 2d games
Mar 21 07:33:14 <ron_frown> I mean
Mar 21 07:33:21 <ron_frown> no sense in using pdk jsut to use pdk
Mar 21 07:33:28 <ron_frown> if the game runs fine via regular mojo sdk
Mar 21 07:34:17 <alexfner> yeah but with the mojo sdk I always run into shuttering
Mar 21 07:34:21 <ron_frown> haha
Mar 21 07:34:22 <alexfner> and lagg at some point
Mar 21 07:34:44 <alexfner> so my thoughts are if I could give my app an elevated priority perhaps the problem would be fixed?
Mar 21 07:34:55 <alexfner> I don't know though
Mar 21 07:34:58 <ron_frown> no idea
Mar 21 07:35:04 <ron_frown> I think my app would be suitable on this hardware
Mar 21 07:35:13 <ron_frown> but implementation and html5 media elements prove that wrong
Mar 21 07:36:13 <alexfner> I'm curious just what causes those html5 problems though
Mar 21 07:36:28 <alexfner> it seems to me like the switch to webKit 4 was a bit too fast perhaps?
Mar 21 07:45:16 <alexfner> hey ron, ya there?
Mar 21 07:48:36 <ron_frown> yessir
Mar 21 07:48:49 <ron_frown> html5 is not a complete specification
Mar 21 07:49:01 <ron_frown> and the sounds in html5 were designed for simple stuff
Mar 21 07:49:14 <ron_frown> like streaming a mp3 or wav, or playing a wave real quick one time
Mar 21 07:49:16 <ron_frown> not for repeated
Mar 21 07:49:19 <ron_frown> not for buffered
Mar 21 07:49:22 <ron_frown> not for use like a sound mixer
Mar 21 08:12:54 <alexfner> well, hmm
Mar 21 08:12:57 <alexfner> ron, ya here?
Mar 21 08:13:38 <ron_frown> yeah boyee
Mar 21 08:13:44 <ron_frown> got sound playing via sdl
Mar 21 08:13:53 <ron_frown> gotta build the mixing helpers and test =)
Mar 21 08:25:45 <alexfner> haha
Mar 21 08:25:49 <alexfner> nice
Mar 21 08:28:16 <swisstomcat> morning
Mar 21 08:28:20 <swisstomcat> rainy sunday morning
Mar 21 08:28:56 <ron_frown> yes yes it is
Mar 21 08:29:14 <ron_frown> c++ isnt my native lang so it may take me another hour to get the sound cache inserting/removing like I want
Mar 21 08:29:31 <swisstomcat> hey ron_frown
Mar 21 08:29:34 <ron_frown> yessir
Mar 21 08:29:44 <ron_frown> well I never got my mojo sound engine going
Mar 21 08:29:47 <ron_frown> so PDK it is
Mar 21 08:30:03 <swisstomcat> sounds good too
Mar 21 08:30:07 <swisstomcat> i have to work on sound too
Mar 21 08:30:14 <ron_frown> I got sound working in pdk
Mar 21 08:30:17 <ron_frown> just want to clean it up
Mar 21 08:30:29 <swisstomcat> as a plugin?
Mar 21 08:30:31 <ron_frown> well I should say, compiling with pdk bits on osx runs and plays sounds as expected
Mar 21 08:30:47 <ron_frown> so it should just install and run on webos
Mar 21 08:36:20 <ron_frown> swiss you have pdk bits?
Mar 21 08:36:26 <swisstomcat> nah
Mar 21 08:36:32 <swisstomcat> i'm no c/c++ guy
Mar 21 08:36:45 <ron_frown> hha neither am I
Mar 21 08:36:49 <ron_frown> but I learn quickly =)
Mar 21 08:37:48 <swisstomcat> i'll try it out when we get the linux version
Mar 21 08:37:59 <ron_frown> linux version of what
Mar 21 08:38:00 <ron_frown> pdk?
Mar 21 08:38:05 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 21 08:38:15 <swisstomcat> guess i could already play with the WIDK
Mar 21 08:38:23 <swisstomcat> but i'm finishing up my next app
Mar 21 08:38:58 <ron_frown> sweet
Mar 21 08:39:04 <ron_frown> what might that be or you cant say just yet
Mar 21 08:39:16 <swisstomcat> you can test the beta if you want
Mar 21 08:39:30 <ron_frown> if you want me too
Mar 21 08:39:36 <ron_frown> I am interested in what people are working on
Mar 21 08:39:54 <ron_frown> especially since this kinda feels like a community, something I am working on may be something you are working on and if I can help good
Mar 21 08:39:59 <ron_frown> and hopefully vice versa =)
Mar 21 08:40:26 <swisstomcat> yeah, i usually beta test other apps too
Mar 21 08:40:54 <ron_frown> what is this one
Mar 21 08:41:29 <swisstomcat> http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta_1.0.1_all.ipk
Mar 21 08:44:49 <ron_frown> dumb question
Mar 21 08:44:57 <ron_frown> is there a move cursor left in webos?
Mar 21 08:45:15 <swisstomcat> which cursor? :)
Mar 21 08:45:22 <ron_frown> text editing cursor
Mar 21 08:45:27 <ron_frown> I typed in url apparently its bad
Mar 21 08:45:30 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 21 08:45:33 <ron_frown> but I can see beginning of url
Mar 21 08:45:43 <swisstomcat> press and hold the orange button
Mar 21 08:45:48 <swisstomcat> move the cursor
Mar 21 08:45:53 <ron_frown> pixi
Mar 21 08:46:21 <swisstomcat> doesn't it have something like a orange button too? grey button?
Mar 21 08:47:00 <ron_frown> haha
Mar 21 08:47:00 <ron_frown> white
Mar 21 08:47:08 <ron_frown> that is basically useless on the pixi plus
Mar 21 08:48:58 <ron_frown> actually url just doesnt work for me
Mar 21 08:48:59 <ron_frown> I see
Mar 21 08:49:04 <ron_frown> option swipe
Mar 21 08:49:09 <ron_frown> no drag of the little dot
Mar 21 08:59:22 <swisstomcat> did you look at the app?
Mar 21 08:59:32 <ron_frown> it gave me a server error
Mar 21 08:59:38 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 21 08:59:38 <ron_frown> couldnt fetch
Mar 21 09:00:18 <swisstomcat> http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta_1.0.1_all.ipk
Mar 21 09:00:57 <swisstomcat> works here
Mar 21 09:00:58 <ron_frown> looks like its doing something diff
Mar 21 09:01:16 <ron_frown> ahh I had a period instead of the first underscore
Mar 21 09:01:26 <ron_frown> I cant install from the web?
Mar 21 09:01:32 <ron_frown> says unable to open file type
Mar 21 09:01:38 <ron_frown> format not supported
Mar 21 09:01:40 <swisstomcat> on the device?
Mar 21 09:02:19 <ron_frown> yea
Mar 21 09:02:22 <ron_frown> how else do you fetch
Mar 21 09:02:29 <ron_frown> download then palm-install?
Mar 21 09:02:33 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 21 09:03:31 <rwhitby> on the device, wget it then ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install <file>
Mar 21 09:03:58 <swisstomcat> hey rwhitby
Mar 21 09:04:31 <rwhitby> hey.  who's interested in writing me a front-end to a general purpose WebOS Internals Save&Restore utility?
Mar 21 09:04:54 * swisstomcat raises ha...paw
Mar 21 09:05:12 <rwhitby> The first thing it does so far is make sure your NFS and Glyder saved games are preserved across a webOS Doctoring
Mar 21 09:05:26 <rwhitby> oh, and your netstat stats and your DrPodder feeds
Mar 21 09:05:32 <swisstomcat> sounds good
Mar 21 09:05:46 <swisstomcat> it interfaces with a service?
Mar 21 09:06:23 <swisstomcat> rown_frown: have you seen this: http://github.com/maygrait/1.4-Media-App ?
Mar 21 09:06:49 <rwhitby> I need something that looks just like the manage feeds screen in Preware, with a list of applications which will be retrieved from the service, each with a toggle button on the right, and three buttons down the bottom for Select/Deselect All, Save and Restore.
Mar 21 09:06:56 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: send me the customer  requirement  specification? :)
Mar 21 09:07:27 <rwhitby> oh, and it needs to be open source and be org.webosinternals.saverestore
Mar 21 09:07:36 <swisstomcat> no problem with that
Mar 21 09:07:44 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Save_and_Restore
Mar 21 09:08:34 <rwhitby> It currently handles save files in the app directory (e.g. NFS, Glyder) and app databases (e.g. DrPodder and netstat).
Mar 21 09:08:48 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: let my finish my audio testing then i'll whip something up as a prototype
Mar 21 09:09:09 <rwhitby> The list of apps it supports is easily extendable by creating a script that just moves the files to and from /media/internal/saverestore/<appid>
Mar 21 09:09:33 <rwhitby> then after you doctor, you just install preware and saverestore and make sure all the apps you want are installed, and then hit restore
Mar 21 09:16:50 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:applications/saverestore.git - I've left room there to put an application in place at the top-level.  It'll be a single package install of both mojo app and service.
Mar 21 09:18:13 <swisstomcat> cloned
Mar 21 09:20:14 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: the service is org.webosinternals.saverestore, and it has list, save and restore methods.  The list method has no parameters and returns an array of appid's.  The save and restore methods take an id parameter.
Mar 21 09:20:40 <swisstomcat> i will probably need help to interface with the service .. but first things first
Mar 21 09:20:56 <swisstomcat> what you you usually have as the appid?
Mar 21 09:20:59 <swisstomcat> do you
Mar 21 09:21:16 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: you call the list method on startup, and display the list of items, each with a toggle.  Just like in the preware manage feeds screen (feel free to grab code from that to start, cause I'd like it to have the same look and feel as preware)
Mar 21 09:21:17 <swisstomcat> guess i could look at the preware source
Mar 21 09:21:48 <rwhitby> then when the save or restore buttons are hit, you call the service repeatedly with the appids that are selected
Mar 21 09:23:59 <rwhitby> hmm, or maybe a front screen like in Preware, with Save and Restore selections (like Available Applications and Available Patches), and a Select Applications screen with the checkboxes
Mar 21 09:24:18 <rwhitby> and a go button at the bottom.
Mar 21 09:24:37 <swisstomcat> that could look good too
Mar 21 09:25:02 <rwhitby> I'm aiming for a common look and feel with Preware, including the front-screen with the title-bar and the taglines and stuff
Mar 21 09:25:14 <swisstomcat> aye
Mar 21 09:25:25 <rwhitby> App name is "Save & Restore"
Mar 21 09:25:34 <swisstomcat> org.webosinternals.saverestore
Mar 21 09:25:38 <rwhitby> yep
Mar 21 09:26:29 <swisstomcat> i'll reuse some preware code ... open source rocks :)
Mar 21 09:26:55 <swisstomcat> just saw another translation error
Mar 21 09:40:19 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: i also need to push those updated german preware translations
Mar 21 09:40:36 <swisstomcat> at least it's a rainy sunday morning
Mar 21 09:40:44 <swisstomcat> no reason to go outside :
Mar 21 09:51:10 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: feel free to push german translations whenever you please
Mar 21 09:51:10 <swisstomcat> still here, ron_frown?
Mar 21 09:51:20 <ron_frown> yes
Mar 21 09:51:21 <ron_frown> sorry
Mar 21 09:51:24 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: yeah, i have to test them first
Mar 21 09:51:27 <ron_frown> compiling compiling compiling
Mar 21 09:51:33 <ron_frown> I havent touched c++ in ~15yr
Mar 21 09:51:35 <ron_frown> well c
Mar 21 09:51:39 <ron_frown> never touched c++
Mar 21 09:52:04 <swisstomcat> ron_frown: do you have some code from your audio player i can compare against mine?
Mar 21 09:53:00 <ron_frown> it was extremely messy
Mar 21 09:54:12 <swisstomcat> i'm trying to make sense of the palm example i posted earlier
Mar 21 09:55:11 <ron_frown> which one
Mar 21 09:55:13 <ron_frown> enda's?
Mar 21 09:55:15 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 21 09:55:29 <ron_frown> I can walk you through that if you have speciic questions
Mar 21 09:55:42 <swisstomcat> did you make it work?
Mar 21 09:56:08 <ron_frown> not out of box like she/he had it there, that was more of a audio cotnrol wiht play ff/resume/etc
Mar 21 09:56:25 <swisstomcat> first, ist this needed in the view? <audio id="audio-nav" controls="false" x-palm-media-audio-class="navigation">
Mar 21 09:56:49 <ron_frown> uhh no thats needed to play
Mar 21 09:56:52 <ron_frown> oh yes
Mar 21 09:56:58 <ron_frown> if you are using the tag route yes
Mar 21 09:57:07 <ron_frown> or you could just create audio() and reference it directly
Mar 21 09:57:10 <ron_frown> in the assistant
Mar 21 09:57:17 <swisstomcat> yeah, i was using that before .. create an audio-object
Mar 21 09:57:41 <ron_frown> basically that person was using the audio ctronol but flipping all the default controls off, and supplying their own
Mar 21 09:58:32 <swisstomcat> hrmm
Mar 21 09:59:29 <swisstomcat> guess a different audio sample is needed
Mar 21 10:01:20 <swisstomcat> the documentation only uses the mediaextension library on a tag, not an audio-object
Mar 21 10:02:13 <swisstomcat> could you post some of your code? i'm a bit confused
Mar 21 10:02:19 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: testing feed now has org.webosinternals.saverestore service ipkg version 0.1.2
Mar 21 10:02:39 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: you can install that ipkg with palm-install - it has super new palm-install scripting powers
Mar 21 10:02:52 <swisstomcat> cool
Mar 21 10:03:03 <rwhitby> yes, an advanced homebrew ipkg that you can install with palm-install, and remove the orange+tap !
Mar 21 10:03:10 <swisstomcat> super cow powers? :)
Mar 21 10:03:32 <swisstomcat> something i can show next week at the expo
Mar 21 10:04:00 <rwhitby> should be able to get aupt-4 to have the same powers
Mar 21 10:04:03 <swisstomcat> ron_frown: could you post some of your code? i'm a bit confused
Mar 21 10:04:43 <ron_frown> I really wouldnt mind other tan I am full bore into working with this c++
Mar 21 10:04:49 <ron_frown> got a preferred pastecode service?
Mar 21 10:04:59 <ron_frown> and you have to be fair about it... its a mess
Mar 21 10:05:00 <swisstomcat> not a preferred one
Mar 21 10:05:06 <swisstomcat> pastie.org
Mar 21 10:05:07 <ron_frown> I dont know any =)
Mar 21 10:05:20 <swisstomcat> i won't publish it, no worries :)
Mar 21 10:05:53 <swisstomcat> just need to see a working example to wrap my head around it
Mar 21 10:07:53 <ron_frown> http://pastie.org/879417
Mar 21 10:07:54 <ron_frown> I dont care
Mar 21 10:08:03 <ron_frown> just if you make improvements please let me know
Mar 21 10:08:14 <swisstomcat> allright
Mar 21 10:08:46 <ron_frown> <script src="/usr/palm/frameworks/mojoloader.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
Mar 21 10:08:51 <ron_frown> thats needed in index.html too
Mar 21 10:09:19 * swisstomcat pukes ;)
Mar 21 10:09:33 <ron_frown> told you it was ugly =)
Mar 21 10:12:01 <swisstomcat> i see, you're using one audio object for each sound
Mar 21 10:12:06 <ron_frown> ye
Mar 21 10:12:07 <ron_frown> yep
Mar 21 10:12:29 <ron_frown> for me I have a dynamic number of sounds, and each one needs to be avaliable more or less instantaneous
Mar 21 10:12:35 <ron_frown> so I load and keep them ready for playing
Mar 21 10:14:35 <swisstomcat> load them at startup i assume
Mar 21 10:14:48 <ron_frown> well I have it set so that you can just play, and it'll cache
Mar 21 10:15:00 <ron_frown> but if you call initialize exclusively it should do that as well
Mar 21 10:15:54 <rwhitby> who has been testing Preware 0.9.31 and Package Manager Service 0.9.44 ?
Mar 21 10:16:09 <swisstomcat> i'm still on 0.9.30
Mar 21 10:16:13 <swisstomcat> but i can test if you like
Mar 21 10:16:21 <rwhitby> they're both in the testing feed, and ready to go
Mar 21 10:16:31 <swisstomcat> use the bootstrap?
Mar 21 10:16:34 <rwhitby> yep
Mar 21 10:16:40 <swisstomcat> aye
Mar 21 10:16:57 <rwhitby> root@qemux86:/# luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.saverestore/list '{}'
Mar 21 10:16:57 <rwhitby> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":true,"scripts":["com.drnull.drpodder-hb","com.ea.app.nfsuc","com.glu.app.glyder2","org.daemon.de.netstat"]}
Mar 21 10:17:05 <rwhitby> that's how to test the service
Mar 21 10:17:13 <swisstomcat> i see
Mar 21 10:17:39 <rwhitby> root@qemux86:/# luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.saverestore/save '{"id":"com.drnull.drpodder-hb"}'
Mar 21 10:17:40 <rwhitby> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":true,"output":["com.drnull.drpodder-hb not installed
Mar 21 10:17:43 <rwhitby> "]}
Mar 21 10:18:02 <rwhitby> same for restore
Mar 21 10:18:22 <rwhitby> returnValue will be false for an error while saving or restoring
Mar 21 10:18:33 <rwhitby> (the application not being installed is not an error)
Mar 21 10:18:52 <rwhitby> (it just gets skipped)
Mar 21 10:19:02 <swisstomcat> if the app is installed could be tested, right?
Mar 21 10:19:06 <rwhitby> yep
Mar 21 10:19:20 <rwhitby> test on the emulator, don't use real data
Mar 21 10:19:35 <rwhitby> packages are there for emulator, pre and pixi
Mar 21 10:19:58 <swisstomcat> testing preware
Mar 21 10:21:34 <swisstomcat> ron_frown: does playSound work without initialization?
Mar 21 10:21:41 <ron_frown> should yes
Mar 21 10:21:49 <ron_frown> it just lazy initializes sounds
Mar 21 10:22:22 <swisstomcat> let me test
Mar 21 10:25:59 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: no errors so far .. one thing i notice (a few versions back already) .. while the scene loads i see just three dots (...) in the middle of the screen
Mar 21 10:30:07 <swisstomcat> it's alive  .. e.g playing a sound
Mar 21 10:32:55 <swisstomcat> ron_frown: what were the problems you had with it?
Mar 21 10:33:10 <ron_frown> repeatedly playing same sound was problematic
Mar 21 10:33:16 <ron_frown> didnt always start at beginning of sound effect
Mar 21 10:33:21 <ron_frown> and volume jumped all over the place
Mar 21 10:33:32 <swisstomcat> i had no such problems (so far)
Mar 21 10:33:43 <swisstomcat> but i'm just playing animal noises
Mar 21 10:34:04 <ron_frown> so if you tap it rapidly?
Mar 21 10:34:11 <swisstomcat> works
Mar 21 10:34:24 <swisstomcat> and starts from the beginning .. as far as i can tell
Mar 21 10:34:31 <ron_frown> well shit
Mar 21 10:34:35 <ron_frown> you are in better shape than I
Mar 21 10:34:43 <swisstomcat> i'm using your code :)
Mar 21 10:34:54 <swisstomcat> shall i try with your sound?
Mar 21 10:35:11 <ron_frown> honeslty for testing my sounds were wavs that were barn yard sounds
Mar 21 10:35:23 <swisstomcat> i'm using mp3's
Mar 21 10:35:28 <swisstomcat> e.g rooster.mp3
Mar 21 10:35:49 <swisstomcat> testing on the device
Mar 21 10:38:39 <swisstomcat> let my put it in my app and test .. i'll send it to you as well
Mar 21 10:39:36 <ron_frown> ok
Mar 21 10:39:45 <ron_frown> I make no guarentees with that code either btw
Mar 21 10:39:49 <ron_frown> I think its good
Mar 21 10:39:56 <ron_frown> still need to clean up the audio objects on unload
Mar 21 10:49:01 <swisstomcat> solid
Mar 21 10:50:05 <ron_frown> works?
Mar 21 10:50:17 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 21 10:50:38 <swisstomcat> i can upload the new version
Mar 21 10:50:43 <swisstomcat> if you want to test
Mar 21 10:51:09 <ron_frown> its all good
Mar 21 10:51:15 <ron_frown> I am going to build this mixer anyhow
Mar 21 10:51:20 <swisstomcat> sure
Mar 21 10:51:21 <ron_frown> and kinda caught up in that atm
Mar 21 10:51:37 <swisstomcat> a multi-channel mixer is cool too
Mar 21 10:54:28 <ron_frown> that thing would do multi channels easy
Mar 21 10:54:30 <ron_frown> what you have there
Mar 21 10:56:37 <ron_frown> just need to change current sound to a new Array()
Mar 21 10:56:49 <ron_frown> and when you go to play, find a !.IsPlaying and replace it
Mar 21 10:57:55 <swisstomcat> i only need one channel right now
Mar 21 10:57:59 <swisstomcat> pretty basic
Mar 21 10:58:23 <swisstomcat> i wonder if i could use it in a multi-scene app
Mar 21 10:58:36 <swisstomcat> e.g share the sound object between the scenes
Mar 21 10:58:55 <swisstomcat> because every scene only need one audio-object for it's one sound
Mar 21 10:59:01 <swisstomcat> but scenes can be called several times
Mar 21 10:59:06 <swisstomcat> same scenes
Mar 21 11:02:01 <ron_frown> awwwwwwww yeah
Mar 21 11:02:43 <ron_frown> so the way my pdk shit is going to work is you instantiate it, tell it how many channels you want
Mar 21 11:02:50 <ron_frown> then just .play(path)
Mar 21 11:03:00 <ron_frown> it does lazy loading and plays the sound in its entirety
Mar 21 11:03:01 <thomaschaaf> hey guys I think I'm getting mag because of lists.. I just can't get it to give me feedback on tap
Mar 21 11:03:40 <swisstomcat> hey thomaschaaf
Mar 21 11:04:07 <swisstomcat> can you show some code?
Mar 21 11:04:32 <swisstomcat> ron_frown: how would you go about having global audioobjects?
Mar 21 11:05:42 <swisstomcat> based on your old code
Mar 21 11:05:43 <ron_frown> to the whole app?
Mar 21 11:05:57 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 21 11:06:03 <thomaschaaf> http://utilitybase.com/paste/28253
Mar 21 11:06:11 <ron_frown> theoretically toss the Sounds property on stageassistant
Mar 21 11:06:15 <ron_frown> but I've never tried it
Mar 21 11:06:33 <ron_frown> I was going to build a soundmanager that handled all the initializing etc  and offer a bit more control
Mar 21 11:06:40 <ron_frown> but I still dont think that route is going to be suitable for me
Mar 21 11:06:51 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: no tap handlers?
Mar 21 11:07:06 <thomaschaaf> this.controller.listen("selectList", Mojo.Event.listTap, this.handleUpdate);
Mar 21 11:07:14 <thomaschaaf> didn't think that was important
Mar 21 11:07:44 <swisstomcat> and then your handler? handleUpdate?
Mar 21 11:08:35 <thomaschaaf> I hope this si how you do it: http://utilitybase.com/paste/28254 I am new to js
Mar 21 11:08:43 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: I
Mar 21 11:08:58 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: am off to bed.  Have fun with the saverestore service.
Mar 21 11:09:07 * rwhitby bbt
Mar 21 11:09:17 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: g'night ... hope to have some code for you when you wake up
Mar 21 11:10:13 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: set it up like this
Mar 21 11:10:19 <swisstomcat> this.handleTap = this.TapHandler.bindAsEventListener(this);
Mar 21 11:10:20 <swisstomcat> Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get('ResultList'),Mojo.Event.listTap,this.handleTap);
Mar 21 11:11:18 <swisstomcat> you need to bind this, otherwise the context will be wrong
Mar 21 11:11:58 <thomaschaaf> where do I get that TapHandler from?
Mar 21 11:12:02 <thomaschaaf> handleUpdate?
Mar 21 11:12:18 <swisstomcat> yeah, you have to use your functions (it's an example from my app)
Mar 21 11:12:33 <swisstomcat> tapHandler is your handleUpdate
Mar 21 11:12:49 <ron_frown> sleep time or should I just pull an all nighter and try to wrap up my mixer
Mar 21 11:12:54 <ron_frown> I think I'll sleep
Mar 21 11:12:57 <swisstomcat> hehe
Mar 21 11:13:06 <swisstomcat> good night
Mar 21 11:13:14 <swisstomcat> and thanks for the examples
Mar 21 11:13:15 <ron_frown> its literally adding the methods the js support requires wrapping whats there
Mar 21 11:13:17 <thomaschaaf> http://utilitybase.com/paste/28259
Mar 21 11:13:26 <ron_frown> np man... like I said so long as they help thecommunity
Mar 21 11:13:33 <ron_frown> if you find better ways to do certain things, let me know
Mar 21 11:13:55 <ron_frown> Ideally I'd like to not have to go the route I have but performance over there was unnacceptable
Mar 21 11:14:15 <ron_frown> I figure I'll hand this audio engine out, and you install once, all apps can use it
Mar 21 11:14:40 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: looks good .. does it work?
Mar 21 11:16:00 <thomaschaaf> I think it didn't work because the handleUpdate thing the Mojo.Log.info(event) was to big just looked at the logs and it's telling me error: RangeError am repacking with a shorter mojolog
Mar 21 11:16:25 <thomaschaaf> DAMN IT!
Mar 21 11:16:30 <thomaschaaf> that was the error :D
Mar 21 11:16:39 <thomaschaaf> the mojo.log died D:
Mar 21 11:17:05 <thomaschaaf> now I also get why the emulator kept freezing :(
Mar 21 11:17:24 <thomaschaaf> thanks man!
Mar 21 11:18:18 <swisstomcat> np
Mar 21 11:18:38 <swisstomcat> that way you can also stop listening at the cleanup
Mar 21 11:19:32 <thomaschaaf> oh I don't have anything in cleanup yet
Mar 21 11:27:44 <thomaschaaf> this.controller.get('code').update(this.controller.get('selectList').innerHTML); how would I go about doing this? because the list does not look like I want it to look..
Mar 21 11:28:04 <thomaschaaf> and with that I can't see the code
Mar 21 11:28:33 <swisstomcat> haven't tried anything like that
Mar 21 11:31:25 <golfer> is there a way to change the max attribute of the integer picker after it's been set up?
Mar 21 11:32:08 <swisstomcat> don't think you can change attributes after setup .. just stuff in the model
Mar 21 11:33:42 <golfer> bummer
Mar 21 11:35:41 <golfer> is the integer picker straight forward to extend?
Mar 21 11:37:41 <thomaschaaf> so so I am listeningon the list what part of the "event" thats get thrown by Mojo.Event.listen should I analyse to find out which list item got tapped?
Mar 21 11:38:04 <golfer> I've only seen the min and max as attributes, but are they also supported in the model? Or is 'value' the only model value?
Mar 21 11:39:58 <thomaschaaf> got it :D sorry for asking stupid questions :D
Mar 21 11:44:51 <thomaschaaf> Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene(event.item.id); is that safe enough or should I write a switch statement here?
Mar 21 11:50:45 <swisstomcat> i'm using event.item.x too
Mar 21 11:50:54 <swisstomcat> there are no stupid questions
Mar 21 12:11:24 <thomaschaaf> what is x-mojo-loc
Mar 21 12:11:33 <swisstomcat> where?
Mar 21 12:11:40 <thomaschaaf> I found that in the wizard scene in the email app
Mar 21 12:11:47 <thomaschaaf> <div class="palm-group-title" x-mojo-loc=''>Password</div>
Mar 21 12:11:56 <thomaschaaf> and it seems to be tranlsated somehow..
Mar 21 12:12:11 <thomaschaaf> oh I guess its a view
Mar 21 12:12:17 <thomaschaaf> wounder what it does
Mar 21 12:13:01 <swisstomcat> no idea
Mar 21 12:21:27 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2010-03-21_1321.png :( doesn't look as nice as I intended
Mar 21 12:21:58 <thomaschaaf> anyone have a better idea?
Mar 21 12:22:20 <swisstomcat> why is this a list?
Mar 21 12:22:43 <thomaschaaf> I just did it like the email app
Mar 21 12:23:47 <swisstomcat> hmm
Mar 21 12:24:02 <swisstomcat> use a listselector instead?
Mar 21 12:24:42 <thomaschaaf> I wounder why they don't have screenshot on these pages: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1922&Itemid=299
Mar 21 12:25:06 <thomaschaaf> oh for the provider
Mar 21 12:25:17 <thomaschaaf> could I add images in there?
Mar 21 12:25:27 <thomaschaaf> just curious for maybe later
Mar 21 12:26:19 <swisstomcat> good question
Mar 21 12:26:26 <haeffb> thomaschaaf: install the UIWidgets sample app
Mar 21 12:26:35 <haeffb> and the StyleMatters sample app
Mar 21 12:26:39 <swisstomcat> true
Mar 21 12:26:43 <haeffb> and the MojoMatters sample app
Mar 21 12:26:45 <swisstomcat> and hi haeffb
Mar 21 12:26:51 <haeffb> hi swisstomcat
Mar 21 12:27:36 <thomaschaaf> I do.. but stiyle matters only shwos the html.. so I'm always looking at the source..
Mar 21 12:27:54 <haeffb> for username/email you just need textfields in a palm-group
Mar 21 12:28:12 <haeffb> you don't need a list
Mar 21 12:28:18 <haeffb> if that's what you're doing
Mar 21 12:28:18 <swisstomcat> isn't the stylematters source included in the SDK?
Mar 21 12:28:24 <thomaschaaf> yep
Mar 21 12:28:47 <swisstomcat> /opt/PalmSDK/...
Mar 21 12:29:37 <haeffb> here's an example I'm using: http://www.pastie.org/879518
Mar 21 12:30:15 <haeffb> altho I'm not using radio buttons
Mar 21 12:30:39 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: screenshot would be sweeT
Mar 21 12:31:48 <haeffb> assistant: http://www.pastie.org/879519
Mar 21 12:33:27 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: can I see a screenshot somewhere?
Mar 21 12:33:30 <haeffb> screenshot: http://img403.imageshack.us/i/captureov.png/
Mar 21 12:33:52 <thomaschaaf> okay that looks like the mail app
Mar 21 12:34:44 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: just seemed like wasted space to do it like that.. but I guess not really much besides that I want to display :D
Mar 21 12:35:18 <haeffb> here's another with both in the same group: http://img31.imageshack.us/i/capture1jj.png/
Mar 21 12:37:33 * haeffb going for coffee.
Mar 21 12:39:12 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: yea the second one I was more after but this is fine too.. want to finally get the app to do something.. not have a pretty login screen at the end :D
Mar 21 12:57:42 <thomaschaaf> how do I modify a running Widget? (want to disable it)
Mar 21 12:57:56 <thomaschaaf> when Login is tapped
Mar 21 12:58:32 <swisstomcat> you update it's model
Mar 21 12:59:06 <swisstomcat> e.g
Mar 21 12:59:14 <swisstomcat> this.commandInputTextModel.disabled = true;
Mar 21 12:59:14 <swisstomcat> this.controller.modelChanged(this.commandInputTextModel);
Mar 21 13:00:42 <haeffb_pre> or try the Tonya Harding method...
Mar 21 13:01:03 <swisstomcat> can't you do this.controller.serviceRequest in the stage-assistant?
Mar 21 13:01:21 <swisstomcat> maybe this.controller is undefined at that point?
Mar 21 13:01:40 <thomaschaaf> I always just wrote the model in the setupWidget function :(
Mar 21 13:02:08 <swisstomcat> just take it out of the setupwidget call
Mar 21 13:02:17 <swisstomcat> and define it in setup (the model)
Mar 21 13:04:37 <haeffb> you can define it in the setupWidget as well
Mar 21 13:05:06 <haeffb> setupWidget('myWidget', { }, this.widgetModel = {...});
Mar 21 13:05:17 <swisstomcat> but can you change the model afterwards then?
Mar 21 13:05:21 <haeffb> yes.
Mar 21 13:05:42 <thomaschaaf> I am not getting it to "lock" the input form
Mar 21 13:05:43 <thomaschaaf> :(
Mar 21 13:05:48 <thomaschaaf> this.passwordModel.disabled = true;
Mar 21 13:05:53 <thomaschaaf> this.controller.modelChanged(this.passwordModel);
Mar 21 13:06:10 <haeffb> that should work. maybe pastie some code?
Mar 21 13:06:32 <haeffb> swisstomcat: serviceRequest is a method of sceneController...?
Mar 21 13:06:53 <swisstomcat> so mojo.sceneController.serviceRequest?
Mar 21 13:07:38 <haeffb> here's what I do: Miles.prefs.exportTimerId = new Mojo.Service.Request("palm://com.palm.power/timeout",
Mar 21 13:07:54 <haeffb> works no matter in scene, stage, app assistant
Mar 21 13:08:05 <haeffb> or external.js for that matter
Mar 21 13:08:15 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 21 13:08:17 <swisstomcat> let me try that
Mar 21 13:08:32 <haeffb> nope. it's a secret, you're not allowed to try it.
Mar 21 13:08:37 <swisstomcat> dang
Mar 21 13:08:43 <haeffb> oh. uh. wait.
Mar 21 13:08:43 <swisstomcat> how much do you want?
Mar 21 13:09:05 <haeffb> I may have already let the swisstomcat out of the bag, so to speak
Mar 21 13:09:22 <swisstomcat> it seems to actually work
Mar 21 13:09:53 <swisstomcat> i'll write "provided by haeffb" as a comment next to it
Mar 21 13:10:03 <haeffb> I will be immortal
Mar 21 13:10:17 <thomaschaaf> actually my function doesn't seem to get called becuase I have an error somewhere in the setup function http://www.pastie.org/879555
Mar 21 13:10:26 <thomaschaaf> [20100321-14:09:02.854947] error: An exception occurred in the 'login' scene's s
Mar 21 13:10:41 <thomaschaaf> loginButton has no AddEventlistener
Mar 21 13:10:48 <thomaschaaf> what does that tell me?
Mar 21 13:11:07 <thomaschaaf> oh I should probably not bind it like thaT?
Mar 21 13:11:13 <swisstomcat> hold on
Mar 21 13:11:49 <swisstomcat> uh, oh
Mar 21 13:12:00 <swisstomcat> this.validateForm  = this.validateForm
Mar 21 13:12:09 <swisstomcat> i don't think you can use the same vars there
Mar 21 13:12:11 <haeffb> I do not see an error
Mar 21 13:12:11 <haeffb> are you using a mojo button? or a regular js button?
Mar 21 13:12:20 <haeffb> button widget or js button?
Mar 21 13:12:24 <thomaschaaf> widget
Mar 21 13:12:33 <haeffb> yes, many people do.
Mar 21 13:12:34 <swisstomcat> this.validateFormHandler=this.validateForm.bind...
Mar 21 13:12:46 <haeffb> I don't like it myself, but many people do that
Mar 21 13:12:48 <swisstomcat> this.validateForm  = this.validateForm.bindAsEventListener(this); works?
Mar 21 13:12:52 <haeffb> yes
Mar 21 13:12:54 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 21 13:13:13 * swisstomcat rests his case
Mar 21 13:13:24 <swisstomcat> can you post the exact error, thomaschaaf?
Mar 21 13:13:31 <haeffb> oh, I see the error.
Mar 21 13:14:00 <haeffb> Mojo.Controller.listen(this.controller.get("loginbutton"), ...)
Mar 21 13:14:13 <haeffb> or this.controller.listen("loginbutton", ...)
Mar 21 13:14:32 <haeffb> of which I prefer the second form, because it's shorter to type.
Mar 21 13:14:41 <thomaschaaf> http://www.pastie.org/879559 but is was different verfore
Mar 21 13:15:00 <thomaschaaf> http://www.pastie.org/879560 everything
Mar 21 13:15:14 <thomaschaaf> danm:D
Mar 21 13:15:27 <thomaschaaf> had validateFormHandler at bottom
Mar 21 13:15:44 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 21 13:15:44 <haeffb> oh, you should really not be reusing "this.attributes" and "this.model" for every widget.
Mar 21 13:16:24 <thomaschaaf> okay
Mar 21 13:16:28 <thomaschaaf> is that the problem?
Mar 21 13:16:34 <haeffb> give them each a different name. this.widget1attribs = {}, this.widget2attribs = {}
Mar 21 13:16:41 <haeffb> no, I told you the problem above.
Mar 21 13:17:26 <thomaschaaf> http://www.pastie.org/879563 I fixed the this.validateForm = this.validateForm
Mar 21 13:17:31 <thomaschaaf> added the error at the bottom
Mar 21 13:18:20 <haeffb> replace Mojo.Event.listen with this.controller.listen
Mar 21 13:18:40 <haeffb> (I shall not tell you the answer a third time...!) :)
Mar 21 13:18:53 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: you are god :)
Mar 21 13:19:08 * thomaschaaf thanks you!
Mar 21 13:19:17 <haeffb> the third time, I will come to your house and fix it myself.
Mar 21 13:19:27 <haeffb> "get outta the way"
Mar 21 13:19:30 <thomaschaaf> hehe live in germany to do you?
Mar 21 13:19:31 <thomaschaaf> :D
Mar 21 13:19:43 <haeffb> no, but I'll charge the plane tix to your Visa.
Mar 21 13:19:50 <thomaschaaf> good :)
Mar 21 13:19:55 <haeffb> I've always wanted to visit Germany.
Mar 21 13:20:01 <swisstomcat> hehe
Mar 21 13:20:18 <thomaschaaf> you can do some couch surfing if you are nice :P
Mar 21 13:20:23 <haeffb> but, really, stop reusing this.attributes and this.model
Mar 21 13:20:34 <thomaschaaf> am fixing it right now :)
Mar 21 13:20:36 <haeffb> ESPECIALLY this.model
Mar 21 13:20:59 <haeffb> because you don't want two widgets changing the same data.
Mar 21 13:22:00 <swisstomcat> if you live near switzerland, you can come to bern next week, thomaschaaf
Mar 21 13:22:00 <haeffb> and, finally, add this.controller.stopListening("loginbutton",...); to your cleanup() function.
Mar 21 13:22:27 <haeffb> to avoid memory leaks
Mar 21 13:23:30 <swisstomcat> haeffb: Mojo.Service.Request craps out on the device, but works on the emulator?!
Mar 21 13:26:08 <swisstomcat> oh, i know what i can do
Mar 21 13:28:54 <haeffb> works both places for me
Mar 21 13:28:56 <thomaschaaf> how do I reset a Mojo.Widget.activityButton? (wrong password it should stop spinning ;))
Mar 21 13:29:30 <haeffb> this.controller.get('UpdateButtonId').mojo.deactivate();
Mar 21 13:29:42 <thomaschaaf> thx
Mar 21 13:29:51 <swisstomcat> probably with modelChanged too to stop the spinner?
Mar 21 13:32:03 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: why do you never user $('updateButtonID')? any reason
Mar 21 13:32:19 <thomaschaaf> sicne its prototype that should work or?
Mar 21 13:40:06 <swisstomcat> i have updated my beta app: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta_1.0.1_all.ipk
Mar 21 13:40:12 <swisstomcat> please test it if you have some time :)
Mar 21 13:41:30 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat what is it?
Mar 21 13:41:33 <thomaschaaf> memory?
Mar 21 13:41:37 <thomaschaaf> for kids?
Mar 21 13:41:39 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 21 13:41:50 <swisstomcat> it has some modes tho that are pretty hard
Mar 21 13:42:02 <swisstomcat> match animals and their tracks
Mar 21 13:42:04 <swisstomcat> for example
Mar 21 13:42:09 <swisstomcat> it has 3 different modes
Mar 21 13:42:44 <haeffb> thomaschaaf: because if you ever go to a multistage app (like adding a Dashboard) $() no longer works.
Mar 21 13:42:58 <haeffb> so, I just avoid it entirely
Mar 21 13:43:09 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: why do you have elephant sized font?
Mar 21 13:43:38 <swisstomcat> because you don't need glasses that way :)
Mar 21 13:43:47 <thomaschaaf> if this is for kids make the go button as far up as you can
Mar 21 13:44:20 <thomaschaaf> it crashed :(
Mar 21 13:44:29 <swisstomcat> emulator?
Mar 21 13:44:32 <thomaschaaf> yep
Mar 21 13:44:49 <thomaschaaf> I selected cow and duck if that is any help :|
Mar 21 13:44:53 <swisstomcat> best to test it on a device
Mar 21 13:44:59 <swisstomcat> since sound doesn't work in the emulator
Mar 21 13:45:00 <thomaschaaf> okay let me get it :D
Mar 21 13:46:01 * haeffb learned how to use formatters in a list
Mar 21 13:46:05 <thomaschaaf> is there a way to not let it turn off the screen WHILE attached to the computer?
Mar 21 13:46:08 <haeffb> wooooo!
Mar 21 13:47:32 <thomaschaaf> the chicken made me go apeshit :D
Mar 21 13:47:38 <thomaschaaf> so hwo do I switch modes?
Mar 21 13:47:50 <thomaschaaf> or go back to the introduction thingy?
Mar 21 13:47:52 <swisstomcat> after you finish one level you can choose the next level
Mar 21 13:48:07 <swisstomcat> it's set to random but you can choose it too
Mar 21 13:48:24 <swisstomcat> the introduction is only shown once
Mar 21 13:50:01 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: press all of the icons really fast :D
Mar 21 13:50:11 <swisstomcat> what happens?
Mar 21 13:50:43 <swisstomcat> hmm
Mar 21 13:50:46 <thomaschaaf> it seems to not hide some again :D
Mar 21 13:50:54 <thomaschaaf> hehe could you repro?
Mar 21 13:50:58 <haeffb> cheat mode!
Mar 21 13:51:10 <thomaschaaf> just something a toddler would do ;)
Mar 21 13:51:17 <swisstomcat> damn testers!
Mar 21 13:51:33 <swisstomcat> you're not supposed to do that :
Mar 21 13:51:39 <thomaschaaf> brb have to get my diapers cleaned
Mar 21 13:51:40 <thomaschaaf> :P
Mar 21 13:52:20 <thomaschaaf> how would I go about creating one file with functions I need though out the app?
Mar 21 13:52:34 <thomaschaaf> like a function library (i am very new to js)
Mar 21 13:52:43 <swisstomcat> i usually create a models directory where app and views is
Mar 21 13:52:51 <swisstomcat> and put the file there
Mar 21 13:52:57 <swisstomcat> e.g audio.js or whatever
Mar 21 13:53:05 <swisstomcat> include that in sources.json
Mar 21 13:54:40 <thomaschaaf> just create a new file and then how do declare functions? just typing function BlaFunction() {}; ? How would I go about accessing it from my assistant?
Mar 21 13:56:40 <swisstomcat> whatever = new BlaFunction (xyz);
Mar 21 13:59:22 <thomaschaaf> that was easy :)
Mar 21 13:59:31 <thomaschaaf> (I love those staples buttons)
Mar 21 14:02:59 <thomaschaaf> I feel like i am slowly getting the hang of this js thing :)
Mar 21 14:03:43 <swisstomcat> yeah, it takes some time to get used to it
Mar 21 14:04:36 <thomaschaaf> I am trying to write a little library but have some constants where would I write that? I thought the prototype.setup functions would get called everytime :( but that doesn't seemt to be the case
Mar 21 14:05:11 <swisstomcat> i use this: AppData = {}
Mar 21 14:05:21 <swisstomcat> and then AppData.x= 123;
Mar 21 14:07:37 <haeffb> have received about 9 inches of snow here over the past two days. It's supposed to be spring.
Mar 21 14:07:48 <swisstomcat> yikes
Mar 21 14:08:18 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: where are you from?
Mar 21 14:08:44 <haeffb> Macon, Missouri, USA
Mar 21 14:09:28 <haeffb> thursday it was 65 deg F.
Mar 21 14:09:52 <haeffb> today it's 32 deg F
Mar 21 14:10:19 <thomaschaaf> hehe
Mar 21 14:10:36 <thomaschaaf> wait WHY ARE YOU UP!?
Mar 21 14:10:49 <thomaschaaf> isn't it really early?
Mar 21 14:12:29 <swisstomcat> it's 10:12 in new york
Mar 21 14:12:36 <swisstomcat> and 7:12 in california
Mar 21 14:12:58 <thomaschaaf> http://www.pastie.org/879611
Mar 21 14:13:49 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: yea but it was 6 am when he started chatting with me in CDT
Mar 21 14:14:02 <swisstomcat> early bird gets the worm
Mar 21 14:14:47 <haeffb> 9:14 here
Mar 21 14:14:58 <thomaschaaf> and we started chatting 3 hours ago :P
Mar 21 14:15:23 <haeffb> it was 7:36 when I started.
Mar 21 14:15:34 <thomaschaaf> not better :P
Mar 21 14:15:46 <thomaschaaf> oh well how do I access the information?
Mar 21 14:15:48 <haeffb> I'm working by 7:30 during the week.
Mar 21 14:16:06 <swisstomcat> some people are early risers others are night-owls
Mar 21 14:16:15 <thomaschaaf> I want to get the domain i need to access
Mar 21 14:16:18 <swisstomcat> some are both :)
Mar 21 14:16:51 <haeffb> you have this in a file.js ?
Mar 21 14:17:02 <haeffb> and you included file.js in sources.json?
Mar 21 14:17:44 <thomaschaaf> yep but with the 1 in there I can't access it for some reason
Mar 21 14:18:51 <thomaschaaf> AppData.provider.1.domain
Mar 21 14:18:56 <thomaschaaf> that part doesn't work :(
Mar 21 14:22:38 <haeffb>  Mojo.Log.info(Object.toJSON(AppData.provider[1].domain));
Mar 21 14:23:01 <haeffb> for some reason, it doesn't like a single integer in the .1. format
Mar 21 14:23:06 <haeffb> don't know why... ?
Mar 21 14:23:38 <thomaschaaf> thanks.. I could have come up with that :D
Mar 21 14:24:04 <haeffb> error: Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected number, app/assistants/app-assistant.js:81
Mar 21 14:24:22 <haeffb> maybe if it had been expecting a number, everything would have been OK.
Mar 21 14:24:23 <thomaschaaf> yea it won't include the file anymore..
Mar 21 14:24:27 <thomaschaaf> sicne its not valid
Mar 21 14:27:52 <haeffb> son of a beach. My cookies aren't being deleted when I delete the app.
Mar 21 14:28:58 <swisstomcat> works here
Mar 21 14:29:12 <swisstomcat> i'm using first-use cookie
Mar 21 14:29:15 <haeffb> yeah, don't know what's going on.
Mar 21 14:29:23 <swisstomcat> palm-install -r or delete on device?
Mar 21 14:29:31 <haeffb> delete on emu
Mar 21 14:29:39 <swisstomcat> try palm-install -r?
Mar 21 14:29:40 <haeffb> orange-tap
Mar 21 14:29:53 <haeffb> switching to the Pre emu instead of Pixi
Mar 21 14:31:07 <haeffb> duh.
Mar 21 14:31:11 <haeffb> never mind
Mar 21 14:31:41 <swisstomcat> what?
Mar 21 14:31:42 <haeffb> just an FYI: don't pre-populate preference settings with stuff that you expect to be blank.
Mar 21 14:32:00 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 21 14:46:33 <thomaschaaf> hmm I don't like AJAX seems confusingwith it's callback functions
Mar 21 14:47:54 <swisstomcat> where are you having problems?
Mar 21 14:48:30 <haeffb> with AJAX and callback functions.
Mar 21 14:48:44 <swisstomcat> example?
Mar 21 14:48:52 <thomaschaaf> so I have this library class and it basically calls this service saying that either the user could be logged in or not.. I'd much rather just wait for the transaction to be complete and then be able to read out a variable
Mar 21 14:48:58 <swisstomcat> he said he doesn't like it, haeffb ;)
Mar 21 14:50:37 <haeffb_pre> that's what the callback does...waits for it to complete
Mar 21 14:51:33 <haeffb_pre> webOS is asynchronous. get used to it...
Mar 21 14:52:55 <thomaschaaf> so what would I make the callback do? I'd love to have a global variable with whether he is logged in right now or not
Mar 21 14:53:18 <thomaschaaf> can I attach a listener to a variable to do something when it changes?
Mar 21 14:54:02 <haeffb> the AJAX request is to determine if logged in?
Mar 21 14:54:15 <thomaschaaf> if he can log in..
Mar 21 14:54:25 <thomaschaaf> and get back account info like how much credit he has
Mar 21 14:55:35 <haeffb> so the callback function should take the response from the server and do whatever it is that you need to do with the response...
Mar 21 14:56:24 <haeffb> (sorry if that seems like an overly obvious statement)
Mar 21 14:56:47 <swisstomcat> you can only do something after the callback completes
Mar 21 14:57:18 <thomaschaaf> yea.. just I don't like js a lot :D it's giving me stupid errors (basically I am a newby;))
Mar 21 14:57:35 <swisstomcat> e.g in your example you can only do something if you know how much credit he has anyway?
Mar 21 14:58:53 <swisstomcat> right?
Mar 21 14:59:01 <thomaschaaf> so im in my library class how do I call the function which I defined like this: LoginAssistant.prototype.loggedIn = function() {} in the login assistant?
Mar 21 14:59:26 <thomaschaaf> ah okay with LoginAssistant.prototype.loggedIn -.-
Mar 21 14:59:32 <thomaschaaf> is that bad practice?
Mar 21 15:01:30 <haeffb> no, that is good.
Mar 21 15:01:48 <haeffb> elsewhere in LoginAssistant you can call this.loggedIn();
Mar 21 15:03:31 <swisstomcat> probably pass this.loggedIn to your library class function
Mar 21 15:03:37 <swisstomcat> so you can use it as a callback there
Mar 21 15:26:41 <haeffb> 403 downloads of Myles as of today...
Mar 21 15:27:33 <swisstomcat> cool
Mar 21 15:29:52 <haeffb> this ListSelector doesn't like me changing the modelProperty
Mar 21 15:30:40 <haeffb> doesn't like it at all.
Mar 21 16:02:20 <thomaschaaf> how do I get an elements value? this.controller.get('username').getValue() doesn't give me the value :(
Mar 21 16:02:34 <haeffb> a widget?
Mar 21 16:02:39 <thomaschaaf> yes
Mar 21 16:02:50 <haeffb> this.myWidgetModel.value
Mar 21 16:03:05 <haeffb> this is why you save a ref to the widge model.
Mar 21 16:04:12 <thomaschaaf> great! thanks again
Mar 21 16:20:22 <swisstomcat> hrmm
Mar 21 16:20:36 <swisstomcat> i'm trying to submit a beta app, but "submit" is greyed out .. what gives?
Mar 21 16:23:18 <thomaschaaf> http://www.pastie.org/879750 executing this function with true works :D with false not so much :D
Mar 21 16:24:11 <thomaschaaf> so now I always have disabled buttons :D
Mar 21 16:36:48 <thomaschaaf> actually I seem to not be able to access "this.controller" correctly :(
Mar 21 16:36:48 <JenP> hi all
Mar 21 16:37:02 <thomaschaaf> from my error function
Mar 21 16:37:04 <thomaschaaf> Hi Jen
Mar 21 16:37:11 <swisstomcat> hi jenp
Mar 21 16:37:24 <JenP> morning guys
Mar 21 16:46:03 <thomaschaaf> I am hopelessly lost :( http://www.pastie.org/879781 I call the error function from the SMSApi function
Mar 21 16:47:34 <swisstomcat> what's the problem?
Mar 21 16:48:24 <thomaschaaf> I can't get the changeState to do anything
Mar 21 16:48:35 <thomaschaaf> basically I think I can't access "this.controller" anymore
Mar 21 16:48:51 <thomaschaaf> am woundering if I have to call it somehow
Mar 21 16:49:22 <swisstomcat> well
Mar 21 16:49:38 <swisstomcat> it seems that the problem is context related
Mar 21 16:50:58 <swisstomcat> this.changeState(true) works?
Mar 21 16:51:04 <thomaschaaf> the changeState works if I call it from validateForm even doing changeState(false) but in error I can't seem to get it to do anything
Mar 21 16:51:27 <swisstomcat> how is validateForm called? or from where?
Mar 21 16:52:10 <thomaschaaf> from the setup function
Mar 21 16:52:19 <swisstomcat> as a handler?
Mar 21 16:52:24 <thomaschaaf> yep
Mar 21 16:52:47 <swisstomcat> post the 2 lines from setup?
Mar 21 16:53:09 <thomaschaaf> this.validateFormHandler = this.validateForm.bindAsEventListener(this);
Mar 21 16:53:17 <thomaschaaf>    this.controller.listen("loginButton", Mojo.Event.tap, this.validateFormHandler);
Mar 21 16:53:22 <swisstomcat> right
Mar 21 16:53:35 <swisstomcat> this.validateForm.bindAsEventListener(this); is the key
Mar 21 16:53:48 <swisstomcat> the (this) part
Mar 21 16:54:03 <thomaschaaf> oh okay so how do I transfer the this to other functions?
Mar 21 16:54:18 <thomaschaaf> can I do that?
Mar 21 16:54:25 <swisstomcat> that way you have the context of your setup function
Mar 21 16:54:46 <swisstomcat> and there you have defined your models as this.whatevermodel
Mar 21 16:55:18 <swisstomcat> where does error get called?
Mar 21 16:55:27 <thomaschaaf> from SMSApi
Mar 21 16:55:38 <swisstomcat> SMSApi.prototype.login?
Mar 21 16:55:42 <thomaschaaf> a different function which I call in ValidateForm
Mar 21 16:55:44 <thomaschaaf> yep
Mar 21 16:56:09 <swisstomcat> this insides smsapi.prototype.login is local to that function
Mar 21 16:56:28 <swisstomcat> you can't see this.whatevermodel from the setup
Mar 21 16:56:51 <swisstomcat> hey reality9110 .. long time not seen
Mar 21 16:57:04 <thomaschaaf> probably not
Mar 21 16:57:31 <swisstomcat> i think you need to do:  SMSApi.prototype.login(this.usernameModel.value,    this.passwordModel.value,    this.providerModel.value).bind(this);
Mar 21 16:57:37 <reality9110> Indeed
Mar 21 17:00:06 <thomaschaaf> [20100321-17:59:23.841774] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'bind' of undefined, app/assistants/login-assistant.js:95
Mar 21 17:00:21 <swisstomcat> hmm
Mar 21 17:00:27 <swisstomcat> maybe i remember it incorrectly
Mar 21 17:03:40 <thomaschaaf> stupid :( and no one seems to be able to help
Mar 21 17:04:02 <swisstomcat> this is tricky in javascript
Mar 21 17:04:07 <swisstomcat> the context
Mar 21 17:04:38 <thomaschaaf> I just want a way to get the loginButton and deactivate it's spinner
Mar 21 17:04:58 <swisstomcat> http://www.prototypejs.org/api/function
Mar 21 17:05:12 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: the problem is that I can't access it ;)
Mar 21 17:06:13 <thomaschaaf> this.controller.get would be equal to LoginAssistant.SceneController.get right?
Mar 21 17:06:26 <swisstomcat> not sure
Mar 21 17:06:58 <swisstomcat> this.changeState(true) only works because the context is correct
Mar 21 17:07:15 <swisstomcat> if the context is not correct, this.controller is not valid
Mar 21 17:07:18 <swisstomcat> or empty
Mar 21 17:07:49 <swisstomcat> hold on
Mar 21 17:07:56 <swisstomcat> SMSAPi.prototype.login?
Mar 21 17:07:59 <swisstomcat> why this?
Mar 21 17:08:05 <swisstomcat> SMSAPI.login?
Mar 21 17:08:33 <swisstomcat> prototype is only used in the definition of a function
Mar 21 17:10:24 <swisstomcat> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript#Geltungsbereich_von_Variablen
Mar 21 17:10:32 <swisstomcat> see "Vererbung  über Prototypen"
Mar 21 17:17:33 <thomaschaaf> http://pastie.org/879812 I seem to get this error :( added the relavant code
Mar 21 17:18:54 <swisstomcat> the login function should be inside the smsapi function
Mar 21 17:19:14 <swisstomcat> function bla() {
Mar 21 17:19:14 <swisstomcat>   this.init = function() {
Mar 21 17:19:26 <swisstomcat> then you can call bla.init();
Mar 21 17:21:36 <thomaschaaf> can I get it so it looks like the assistants?
Mar 21 17:21:48 <swisstomcat> ?
Mar 21 17:22:34 <thomaschaaf> in the login-assistant.js I have function LoginAssistant(){} and then every function
Mar 21 17:22:58 <thomaschaaf> oh so you are saying I don't need the prototype stuff?
Mar 21 17:24:05 <swisstomcat> you can do it with prototype too
Mar 21 17:25:34 <thomaschaaf> http://pastie.org/879827 this doesn't help me :(
Mar 21 17:26:39 <swisstomcat> how do you call it?
Mar 21 17:27:11 <thomaschaaf> SMSApi.login(this.usernameModel.value, ...);
Mar 21 17:27:29 <thomaschaaf> in the LoginAssistant.prototype.validateForm
Mar 21 17:27:31 <ohjens> new SMSApi().login(...)
Mar 21 17:27:43 <swisstomcat> i'd add var smsapi = new SMSApi(); at the end of smsapi.js
Mar 21 17:27:56 <swisstomcat> then you have an object that you can use in your code
Mar 21 17:28:20 <swisstomcat> smsapi.login(...
Mar 21 17:29:54 <thomaschaaf> still has not helped with the bind problem :D
Mar 21 17:30:01 <swisstomcat> step by step
Mar 21 17:30:10 <swisstomcat> does that work now?
Mar 21 17:30:13 <thomaschaaf> yep
Mar 21 17:30:17 <thomaschaaf> can call it
Mar 21 17:30:38 <swisstomcat> does smsapi.login(bla,blu).bind(this); work now?
Mar 21 17:31:16 <thomaschaaf> no :( cannot call method bind on undefined
Mar 21 17:31:25 <swisstomcat> you can read the book "javascript: the good parts" ... warning, you will pull your hair out :)
Mar 21 17:31:42 <ohjens> smsapi.login.bind(this, (this.usernameModel.value, ...)
Mar 21 17:31:51 <swisstomcat> really?
Mar 21 17:31:58 <ohjens> login() doesnt return a function you can bind to
Mar 21 17:32:07 <swisstomcat> ok, maybe i remembered bind uncorrect
Mar 21 17:32:09 <ohjens> you want to bind to login i assume
Mar 21 17:32:14 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 21 17:32:25 <swisstomcat> pass the context this to the function
Mar 21 17:32:29 <swisstomcat> to the login function
Mar 21 17:32:33 <ohjens> not sure why though, given the code that i saw. you have to give bind to something like a callback
Mar 21 17:32:56 <swisstomcat> doesn't bind make sure that the context of this gets passed?
Mar 21 17:33:26 <ohjens> no it creates a function that, when invoked, will resolve the context of this. but i don't think that's what our friend is trying to do....?
Mar 21 17:33:40 <swisstomcat> no
Mar 21 17:33:52 <swisstomcat> see, i'm not an expert in js either :)
Mar 21 17:34:08 <ohjens> well it's hard to know what someone else's  intentions are on a chat ;)
Mar 21 17:34:23 <swisstomcat> so what if you have this utility object smsapi and want to call it's method login with the local context?
Mar 21 17:34:54 <thomaschaaf> ohjens: okay so I'll explain :) I have a login stage on which I have e form which I lock on submit then I send the request smsapi.login... to smsapi.js
Mar 21 17:35:07 <thomaschaaf> that file send of an ajax request
Mar 21 17:35:14 <swisstomcat> guess we could start to speak german by now :)
Mar 21 17:35:30 <haeffb> smsapi.login.bind(this, param1, param2...)
Mar 21 17:35:37 <ohjens> just call it. with the code i am looking at i assume that validateForm is called, which calls changeState and then smsapi.login
Mar 21 17:35:40 <thomaschaaf> then I try to call LoginAssistant.prototype.error.bind(this, (transport.responseText));
Mar 21 17:35:52 <swisstomcat> haeffb: that's what i recommended
Mar 21 17:35:57 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 21 17:36:19 <thomaschaaf> the error function then is supposed to undisable the form if an error occured
Mar 21 17:36:37 <haeffb> or, even better, don't bind the login. send a callback from the sceneAssistant.
Mar 21 17:37:04 <thomaschaaf> how can I do that?
Mar 21 17:37:06 <haeffb> smsapi.login(myCallBackFunc.bind(this));
Mar 21 17:37:21 * swisstomcat is officially confused now
Mar 21 17:37:27 <haeffb> this.myCallBackFunc.bind(this)
Mar 21 17:37:51 <ohjens> ahhhh haeffb sees it better than we do
Mar 21 17:37:54 <haeffb> pass a function from your scene assistant to the smsapi login.
Mar 21 17:38:15 <haeffb> when you get ajax results, call that callback function from the onSuccess.
Mar 21 17:38:20 <haeffb> and/or on failure.
Mar 21 17:38:28 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 21 17:38:31 <haeffb> with the params that you want from the ajax
Mar 21 17:38:34 <haeffb> so...
Mar 21 17:38:56 <ohjens> so SMSApi.prototype.login(username, password, provider, on_complete, on_error) as the method definition, where on_complete and on_error are callback methods defined in the assistant?
Mar 21 17:39:02 <haeffb> SceneAssistant.prototype.myCallBacFunc = function (response) {....disable/enable button...}
Mar 21 17:39:40 <swisstomcat> it's starting to make sense :)
Mar 21 17:39:51 <haeffb> smsapa.login(param1, param2, this.myCallBackFunc.bind(this));
Mar 21 17:40:10 <thomaschaaf> to be honest I am confused: this is what I understoof http://pastie.org/879847
Mar 21 17:41:33 <swisstomcat> bbl
Mar 21 17:41:35 <ohjens> LoginAssistant.prototype.loginSuccessful doesn't work. you need a callback just  like your error callback for success
Mar 21 17:42:28 <thomaschaaf> http://pastie.org/879855
Mar 21 17:42:44 <thomaschaaf> ARR!!!
Mar 21 17:42:45 <thomaschaaf> YEA!
Mar 21 17:42:54 <ohjens> better?
Mar 21 17:43:09 <thomaschaaf> YEA where do you live? can I buy you a beer?
Mar 21 17:43:32 <ohjens> i think you should buy it for haeff he saw it first ;)
Mar 21 17:43:45 <thomaschaaf> everyone here is AWESOME!
Mar 21 17:43:47 <ohjens> glad thats worked out for you
Mar 21 17:44:07 <thomaschaaf> LOL I started on this login screen at 11 am :|
Mar 21 17:44:11 <ohjens> heheh
Mar 21 17:44:51 <ohjens> ahh like life of a webos dev. it's kinda hard at first but really it's uber simple when you get over a couple humps.
Mar 21 17:45:46 <thomaschaaf> I broke my glasses too so I am squinting at my screen like a crazy person
Mar 21 17:48:43 <ohjens> for the love of the web are they ever going to fix text aliasing for canvas in webkit????
Mar 21 17:50:44 <thomaschaaf> how do I make my thing submit when pressing enter and not going from textbox to textbox?
Mar 21 17:51:04 <thomaschaaf> do I have to put a <form> around it? I set enterSubmits to true already
Mar 21 17:51:15 <thomaschaaf> or should I add a listener?
Mar 21 17:53:33 <ohjens> no <form>
Mar 21 17:54:32 <thomaschaaf> so a listener then?
Mar 21 17:54:34 <haeffb_pre> leave it alone...that is std webOS bahavior
Mar 21 17:54:53 <DarkMalloc> Any WebOS devs here?
Mar 21 17:54:57 <thomaschaaf> so I actually have to "tap" Login?
Mar 21 17:55:03 <thomaschaaf> DarkMalloc: all hiding :P
Mar 21 17:55:11 <DarkMalloc> hmph.
Mar 21 17:55:35 <thomaschaaf> what do you mean by webos devs? palms developers? or developers working with webos sdk or pdk?
Mar 21 17:55:59 <DarkMalloc> Palm devs.
Mar 21 17:56:19 <thomaschaaf> why what do you need from them?
Mar 21 17:56:27 <DarkMalloc> Need some info.
Mar 21 17:56:48 <thomaschaaf> okay I guess if you are not telling us what you can't be helped..
Mar 21 17:57:13 <DarkMalloc> It's kind of sensitive information. No one wants it leaked.
Mar 21 17:57:29 <ohjens> did they implement svg in 1.4 ?
Mar 21 17:57:30 <thomaschaaf> I'd guess IRC would be the perfect place then :D
Mar 21 17:57:52 <thomaschaaf> ohjens: I think I read that..
Mar 21 17:57:55 <DarkMalloc> thomaschaaf : IRC is a nice and private place.
Mar 21 17:58:03 <DarkMalloc> In PM, that is.
Mar 21 17:58:52 <thomaschaaf> ohjens: seems to be not the case
Mar 21 17:59:37 <haeffb_pre> thomaschaf: you can do it differently, but I wouldn't
Mar 21 17:59:54 <ohjens> ya i suppose not.
Mar 21 18:00:25 <thomaschaaf> ohjens: actually just went on wikipedia and tried and svg
Mar 21 18:00:27 <ohjens> enterSubmits means the model is updated when they press enter. there is no "form" submit per say
Mar 21 18:01:34 <thomaschaaf> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Palm_webOS_logo.svg seems to create a png :|
Mar 21 18:01:50 <thomaschaaf> only place I knew where they had svgs
Mar 21 18:01:53 <ohjens> its absurd i want to draw shapes and render text svg not supported and canvas has crappy text rendering. dont want to do some hybrid with divs of text.
Mar 21 18:33:04 <ken2022> hello
Mar 21 18:33:10 <halfhalo_T400> ola
Mar 21 18:33:28 <ken2022> got a quick question for the mojo masters
Mar 21 18:33:41 <ken2022> is it possible to get the contacts data or is that blocked off?
Mar 21 18:34:16 <halfhalo_T400> right now you can only get data that you make, or ask the user to select a single contact at a time through the api's
Mar 21 18:34:58 <ken2022> is there any intention to expose all contacts?
Mar 21 18:35:17 <halfhalo_T400> I have no idea
Mar 21 18:35:25 <ken2022> ok
Mar 21 18:36:35 <ken2022> so if i wanted to make an app that goes through all contacts and selects the ones that live nearby... really no way to do that huh?
Mar 21 18:36:47 <halfhalo_T400> Nope, sorry
Mar 21 18:36:59 <halfhalo_T400> Can't do it using the native API's
Mar 21 18:37:02 <Templarian> Contacts don't keep address 99% of the time.
Mar 21 18:37:29 <ken2022> i know, i was just putting out an example
Mar 21 18:37:30 * halfhalo_T400 would like to point out prePagesPhoneLite which technically could solve this problem all at once
Mar 21 18:43:47 <thomaschaaf> you can get the user to select one contact? cool can you filter too? I need this function..
Mar 21 18:43:59 <ken2022> yea peoplepicker
Mar 21 18:44:13 <thomaschaaf> in what demo app is that?
Mar 21 18:44:24 <thomaschaaf> can I find that in the stylemasters or somewherE?
Mar 21 18:45:11 <ken2022> im not sure if its in a demo app
Mar 21 18:45:32 <thomaschaaf> found it in ui
Mar 21 18:45:44 <thomaschaaf> uiwidgets
Mar 21 18:46:00 <MetaView> hi
Mar 21 18:46:08 <halfhalo_T400> no
Mar 21 18:46:18 <halfhalo_T400> no pie for you
Mar 21 18:46:26 <MetaView> pie?
Mar 21 18:46:35 <halfhalo_T400> you don't get any
Mar 21 18:46:40 <thomaschaaf> :D!
Mar 21 18:46:44 <MetaView> well...
Mar 21 18:48:54 <thomaschaaf> can I filter the list to only include people with phonenumbers?
Mar 21 18:50:24 <ken2022> dont think so
Mar 21 19:02:14 <ken2022> u guys think palm will be around for our apps to get downloaded? lol
Mar 21 19:02:38 <ken2022> i hate these analysts that are pounding the stock
Mar 21 19:03:22 <swisstomcat> doom and gloom
Mar 21 19:04:51 <swisstomcat> i keep developing webos apps
Mar 21 19:05:23 <swisstomcat> wohoo
Mar 21 19:05:28 <swisstomcat> try me new app in beta: http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta
Mar 21 19:05:36 <swisstomcat> my ^^
Mar 21 19:05:41 <halfhalo_T400> nice
Mar 21 19:05:52 <thomaschaaf> i really want easy things to get implemented.. so that I can show my friends that its even cooler.. like seriously copy paste one that you can actually use
Mar 21 19:06:10 <thomaschaaf> or hole and get a little zoomed version like the iphone has
Mar 21 19:06:45 <thomaschaaf> actually wrote a blog post http://blog.komola.de/2010/01/16/what-i-hate-about-my-favorite-phone/
Mar 21 19:07:43 <thomaschaaf> or icq and msn support would be sooo EASY to implement since they are using the libpurple lib
Mar 21 19:07:45 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: http://www.nexave.de/forum/38751-webos-internals-auf-der-schweizer-open-source-konferenz-in-bern-24-25-maerz-2010.html
Mar 21 19:08:04 <swisstomcat> there's already a replacement libpurble that adds some protocols
Mar 21 19:09:11 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: would love to go :( but it's to far away and I have to get some stuff done :(
Mar 21 19:10:28 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: maybe next time in germany
Mar 21 19:11:17 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: choose a weekend..
Mar 21 19:12:14 <thomaschaaf> but my article tells really what I think about the phone..
Mar 21 19:12:21 <thomaschaaf> and what features I want :d
Mar 21 19:12:33 <thomaschaaf> Also please let me get out of USB Drive mode without unplugging the device.. das ist doch nicht sooos chwer
Mar 21 19:12:49 <thomaschaaf> einfach nen Knopf auf das Interface bauen damit man es rausziehen kann
Mar 21 19:13:06 <thomaschaaf> woops wrong lanugage
Mar 21 19:19:27 <Tibfib> heh, hate when that happens
Mar 21 19:19:40 <thomaschaaf> Tibfib: what language are you?
Mar 21 19:20:09 <swisstomcat> check out http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta, tibfib
Mar 21 19:23:40 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: did you get the "cheat mode" out of the way :D
Mar 21 19:23:50 <swisstomcat> not yet
Mar 21 19:23:55 <thomaschaaf> why is it only available for "palm Pre?"
Mar 21 19:24:07 <thomaschaaf> just curious about that ;)
Mar 21 19:24:13 <swisstomcat> i just have "cheating is forbidden" in my terms of use :)
Mar 21 19:24:28 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: doesn't work on the pixi (yet) .. screen-size
Mar 21 19:25:35 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: how did you find me..
Mar 21 19:25:58 <swisstomcat> find where?
Mar 21 19:26:06 <thomaschaaf> twitter
Mar 21 19:26:22 <swisstomcat> from your website
Mar 21 19:26:46 * swisstomcat with a chuck norris voice "because i find people"
Mar 21 19:32:52 <Tibfib> thomaschaaf: haha, I just speak english
Mar 21 19:33:12 <Tibfib> well... and some spanish I guess
Mar 21 19:36:02 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: downloaded the app... what are you plans for updates?
Mar 21 19:36:33 <swisstomcat> beta expires end of march .. final version will be ready by then :)
Mar 21 19:36:47 <Tibfib> I mean like in the app itself
Mar 21 19:37:07 <swisstomcat> hm?
Mar 21 19:37:26 <Tibfib> Like what are your plans for the main version?
Mar 21 19:37:37 <Tibfib> Additions/updates
Mar 21 19:37:51 <Tibfib> (so with my feedback, I don't tell you stuff you are already going to do)
Mar 21 19:38:41 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 21 19:38:43 <swisstomcat> i see
Mar 21 19:39:00 <swisstomcat> i'm going to add a help scene, an animal information page
Mar 21 19:40:05 <swisstomcat> and fix everything that doesn't work
Mar 21 19:40:53 <Tibfib> I think you should dsiplay the "Good Job" box when you first open the app... (remove the "Good Job! It took you XX tries" text) so that I can pick what type of game I want.
Mar 21 19:41:05 <Tibfib> Also, the level selector is a little hidden
Mar 21 19:41:27 <swisstomcat> agreed, it's rather hidden ... ideas welcome to make it clearer
Mar 21 19:41:42 <swisstomcat> good idea on the first start
Mar 21 19:42:10 <Tibfib> maybe, have it look like a list row
Mar 21 19:42:17 <Tibfib> spread it out more
Mar 21 19:42:25 <swisstomcat> where you see all the options?
Mar 21 19:42:36 <Tibfib> the "level" line
Mar 21 19:42:58 <Tibfib> so yes
Mar 21 19:44:00 <Tibfib> I think if you spread it out more, and add a visual indicator that you can change it (a arrow or triangle), it would be good
Mar 21 19:44:46 <Tibfib> Also, maybe display the name of the animal on the track?
Mar 21 19:46:48 <Tibfib> I assume you know that the sounds page is glitched
Mar 21 19:47:25 <thomaschaaf> How many people here would like to see some kind of plugin for visual studio for development and how many would like balsamiq stensils?
Mar 21 19:47:32 <thomaschaaf> poll please!
Mar 21 19:47:52 <Tibfib> yes to both
Mar 21 19:48:06 <ohjens> no visual studio. it's a dog.
Mar 21 19:48:15 <thomaschaaf> woof!
Mar 21 19:48:33 <ohjens> go ahead and make one though :)
Mar 21 19:48:37 <swisstomcat> +1 for balsamic stencils
Mar 21 19:48:39 <thomaschaaf> sorry was playing the puzzanimal memory
Mar 21 19:48:49 <swisstomcat> tibfib: glitched how?
Mar 21 19:49:09 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: why is there no dog?
Mar 21 19:49:16 <swisstomcat> there is one
Mar 21 19:49:26 <swisstomcat> just not every time
Mar 21 19:49:31 <swisstomcat> animal selection is random
Mar 21 19:49:34 <ohjens> balsamic stencils ?
Mar 21 19:49:51 <swisstomcat> for the balsamic mockup tool
Mar 21 19:50:07 <ohjens> nothing comes up  on google
Mar 21 19:50:21 <thomaschaaf> balsamiq mockups
Mar 21 19:50:29 <ohjens> k got it
Mar 21 19:50:32 <thomaschaaf> balsamiq.com i think
Mar 21 19:50:47 <thomaschaaf> use it for everything our company creates
Mar 21 19:50:56 <thomaschaaf> makes you think about the ui
Mar 21 19:51:06 <swisstomcat> before you start programming :)
Mar 21 19:51:08 <thomaschaaf> and you get a clear view of what you are programming
Mar 21 19:51:08 <ohjens> i've seen this before. it's free right? as opposed to graffle
Mar 21 19:51:15 <thomaschaaf> no
Mar 21 19:51:22 <thomaschaaf> its 80$ but worth all of it!
Mar 21 19:51:35 <thomaschaaf> and free for opensource software devs
Mar 21 19:52:14 <ohjens> that's cool. most devs can't draw to save their lives
Mar 21 19:53:00 <thomaschaaf> also you can make interactive things here what I created for my palm pre app its not pretty at all and not that well planed through :D
Mar 21 19:53:02 <thomaschaaf> wait
Mar 21 19:54:27 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2010-03-21_2054.swf not the best example :D *ashamed look*
Mar 21 19:55:05 <swisstomcat> wow, that makes me dizzy :)
Mar 21 19:55:26 <swisstomcat> tibfib: how is the sounds page glitchy for you?
Mar 21 19:55:33 <ohjens> that's handy
Mar 21 19:55:35 <Tibfib> swiss: do you want the sound to show?
Mar 21 19:56:03 <swisstomcat> hm?
Mar 21 19:56:43 <Tibfib> the sound icon
Mar 21 19:57:06 <swisstomcat> yes
Mar 21 19:57:11 <Tibfib> why?
Mar 21 19:57:11 <swisstomcat> it should be shown
Mar 21 19:57:50 <swisstomcat> that way you know which one is a sound as opposed to an image .. will get added to the tracks mode too
Mar 21 19:58:03 <swisstomcat> you mean it makes the game easier and it should not?
Mar 21 19:58:35 <thomaschaaf> I wouldn't do it
Mar 21 19:58:38 <Tibfib> yeah, I guess I do
Mar 21 19:58:46 <thomaschaaf> its memory.. you should not see what is is ;)
Mar 21 19:58:49 <Tibfib> Just display the sound icon once you click on it
Mar 21 19:58:52 <thomaschaaf> not even what type
Mar 21 19:59:52 <Tibfib> Another useful thing: something to distinguish what card you clicked on and revealed (but haven't matched) so it looks different than the matched pairs
Mar 21 20:00:00 <thomaschaaf> I wounder what prices will be available for germany
Mar 21 20:00:06 <thomaschaaf> for paid apps
Mar 21 20:01:06 <swisstomcat> tibfib: ok, i see what you mean
Mar 21 20:01:22 <ken2022> are there any webos dev team ppl in here?
Mar 21 20:01:29 <ken2022> like ppl who make the apis?
Mar 21 20:01:38 <swisstomcat> sometimes there are
Mar 21 20:01:43 <swisstomcat> but it's weekend
Mar 21 20:01:51 <Tibfib> in here, yes. paying attention? not sure
Mar 21 20:02:28 <ken2022> isee
Mar 21 20:02:32 <thomaschaaf> why does this super stupid question keep getting asked?
Mar 21 20:02:42 <swisstomcat> the community manager is here sometimes .. and an engineer too
Mar 21 20:02:55 <thomaschaaf> can someone change the topic to say "yes there are developers in here, no probably no one from palm1"
Mar 21 20:03:21 <swisstomcat> someone from developer relations is here too from time to time
Mar 21 20:03:27 <ken2022> sorry thomaschaaf...
Mar 21 20:03:41 <swisstomcat> thank you tibfib .. need any feedback on countdown?
Mar 21 20:03:53 <thomaschaaf> ken2022 no problem just have been one of many ;)
Mar 21 20:04:44 <ken2022> i asked a question earlier about exposing the contact lists... from what i have been reading its a privacy measure
Mar 21 20:05:11 <swisstomcat> apparently, yes
Mar 21 20:05:18 <ken2022> why can't they just have a "Share all contacts with <APP NAME>? Yes/No" dialog
Mar 21 20:05:40 <thomaschaaf> ken2022 yes! I need this too
Mar 21 20:05:41 <ken2022> it seems awfully silly that such a social phone would deny devs to make so many social apps
Mar 21 20:05:45 <swisstomcat> yeah, i've heard that proposal before
Mar 21 20:06:01 <thomaschaaf> or just during the install.. like with location
Mar 21 20:06:10 <ken2022> yea precisely
Mar 21 20:06:27 <ken2022> there are so many cool apps that take advantage of synergy waiting to happen
Mar 21 20:06:28 <thomaschaaf> http://www.myappbox.com/a/com.inorbit.moo/ I want the Party Sign app :( wanted to skype me gf :(
Mar 21 20:06:40 <thomaschaaf> my
Mar 21 20:06:53 <ken2022> also, a similar option to allow a calendar to get exposed
Mar 21 20:07:20 <swisstomcat> same as with contacts, you can only access your own (created with the app)
Mar 21 20:07:46 <thomaschaaf> btw what happens if you create an app the user installs it it doesn't have gps yet then the update gets gps support does the user notice?
Mar 21 20:08:10 <ken2022> yeah i understand that... after reading the api a few times. it took a while to notice it although it is so clear from the docs just because its so unintuitive
Mar 21 20:08:14 <swisstomcat> servus rotinaj
Mar 21 20:08:25 <rotinaj> Hi all
Mar 21 20:08:44 <swisstomcat> lots of european people in here today.. good
Mar 21 20:08:55 <thomaschaaf> lots of german speaking ones :P
Mar 21 20:09:06 <swisstomcat> DACH so far
Mar 21 20:10:10 <rotinaj> I have troubles with the 1.4 SDK debugger on Mac OS X. When the debugger hits the breakpoint, it just exits. Has anyone seen this behaviour before?
Mar 21 20:10:39 <rotinaj> It's annoying because i can't debug the code -.-
Mar 21 20:12:04 <rotinaj> I'm using Virtual Box 3.0.12 btw.
Mar 21 20:12:15 <rotinaj> It was fine with the SDK 1.3.5
Mar 21 20:12:17 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: sure! If you've got ideas
Mar 21 20:12:25 <swisstomcat> no mac here, sorry
Mar 21 20:12:29 <swisstomcat> tibfib: playing it now
Mar 21 20:12:46 <Tibfib> also, there is at least one person from palm in here, don't think he's paying attention
Mar 21 20:12:55 <swisstomcat> who?
Mar 21 20:13:06 <Tibfib> lemketron
Mar 21 20:13:25 <swisstomcat> he's usually just logged in
Mar 21 20:13:30 <swisstomcat> inactive
Mar 21 20:13:43 <Tibfib> Yes, but he is _here_
Mar 21 20:13:51 <swisstomcat> tibfib: i want a german version :)
Mar 21 20:14:11 <thomaschaaf> of what?
Mar 21 20:14:23 <swisstomcat> countdown, tibfib's app
Mar 21 20:14:38 <swisstomcat> i can provide one, but you already know that
Mar 21 20:14:46 <Tibfib> thomaschaaf said he'd translate it as well
Mar 21 20:14:51 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 21 20:14:57 <swisstomcat> translator fight :)
Mar 21 20:15:12 <Tibfib> haha, idc, whoever is willing to help would be great!
Mar 21 20:15:37 <swisstomcat> need to figure out how to complete just one level :)
Mar 21 20:15:41 <thomaschaaf> I think I found the perfect thing I should write!
Mar 21 20:15:52 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: did you go throught the tutorial?
Mar 21 20:16:05 <Tibfib> s/throught/through
Mar 21 20:16:07 <swisstomcat> no :)
Mar 21 20:16:08 <thomaschaaf> an exported you can run your app through it creates translation files
Mar 21 20:16:19 <swisstomcat> already exists
Mar 21 20:16:23 <thomaschaaf> really?
Mar 21 20:16:24 <swisstomcat> do you know pypalm?
Mar 21 20:16:31 <thomaschaaf> no ;)
Mar 21 20:17:25 <Tibfib> palm os?
Mar 21 20:17:40 <Tibfib> oh nevermind webOS too
Mar 21 20:18:02 <swisstomcat> http://github.com/grundprinzip/PyPalm
Mar 21 20:18:08 <swisstomcat> - localize - generate and update localization files
Mar 21 20:18:21 <swisstomcat> haven't played with it yet
Mar 21 20:18:27 <Tibfib> nice, going to bookmark that for later
Mar 21 20:18:33 <swisstomcat> tibfib: even the tutorial is too hard for me :)
Mar 21 20:18:55 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: how could I make it easier?
Mar 21 20:19:09 <swisstomcat> it's probably my problem
Mar 21 20:19:16 <Tibfib> I tried to dumb it down for the simple folk ;)
Mar 21 20:19:26 <swisstomcat> guess i'm simpler than simple folk
Mar 21 20:19:38 <Tibfib> haha
Mar 21 20:20:11 <swisstomcat> aha
Mar 21 20:20:16 <ken2022> how do apps achieve persistent storage in webos
Mar 21 20:20:30 <swisstomcat> make it clear what "each click affects the ajacent squares" means
Mar 21 20:20:41 <swisstomcat> ken2022: cookies or depot or sqllite
Mar 21 20:21:02 <swisstomcat> tibfib: it was not clear to me that the pattern of adjacent squares is shaped like star
Mar 21 20:21:07 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: agreed... now how to do that
Mar 21 20:21:12 <swisstomcat> thought it was a square
Mar 21 20:21:15 <Tibfib> I think a + is more accurate
Mar 21 20:21:27 <Tibfib> :P
Mar 21 20:21:28 <swisstomcat> mark it with a color in the tutorial
Mar 21 20:21:54 <swisstomcat> yeah, now the games starts to make sense
Mar 21 20:22:09 <Tibfib> okay, good idea, it'll make 1.0.1
Mar 21 20:22:19 <swisstomcat> i always assumed it was a square and got confused
Mar 21 20:23:17 <swisstomcat> also, for some reason the title page doesn't look as polished as the other ones
Mar 21 20:23:23 <Tibfib> what about "Each click affects the adjacent squares as well (a + shape)"
Mar 21 20:23:34 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: any indication why?
Mar 21 20:23:39 <swisstomcat> not sure
Mar 21 20:23:54 <swisstomcat> maybe the bright white font
Mar 21 20:24:23 <Tibfib> what color do you think would work better?
Mar 21 20:24:52 <rwhitby> morning
Mar 21 20:25:16 <swisstomcat> i would mark the + shape with red or so
Mar 21 20:25:22 <swisstomcat> in the tutorial
Mar 21 20:25:26 <swisstomcat> g'day rwhitby
Mar 21 20:25:37 <halfhalo_T400> murnin
Mar 21 20:26:48 <Tibfib> swisstomcat: touch feedback for the buttons will come soon-ish (like how the Puzzle of the day highlights when you touch it)
Mar 21 20:45:08 <BigBiff> can anyone point me in the direction of a good "list" tutorial besides the super basic ones noted on the forums?
Mar 21 20:45:16 <BigBiff> actually there's only one
Mar 21 20:45:19 <BigBiff> that i found
Mar 21 20:46:19 <swisstomcat> there's a good one on linuxdevices i think?
Mar 21 20:46:23 <swisstomcat> and probably webos101
Mar 21 20:47:44 <BigBiff> ya i've done those, but the functionality is a bit limited.  the samples on the sdk provide good examples, but lack explanation
Mar 21 20:48:23 <swisstomcat> what do you need?
Mar 21 20:49:19 <BigBiff> just trying to learn - have dumb questions that probably should be answered elsewhere
Mar 21 20:49:55 <swisstomcat> there are no dumb questions
Mar 21 20:50:02 <halfhalo_T400> fffffffffff
Mar 21 20:50:07 <halfhalo_T400> it no likey new DB
Mar 21 20:50:19 <BigBiff> heh, hi halo
Mar 21 20:50:57 <halfhalo_T400> hola
Mar 21 20:52:28 <BigBiff> dumb question 1:  $ = getElementById in prototype, however when followed by some letter like $L(),
Mar 21 20:53:05 <BigBiff> is this just a variable with more "profound" meaning?
Mar 21 20:53:09 <swisstomcat> $L is translation
Mar 21 20:53:23 <BigBiff> ok
Mar 21 20:53:34 <swisstomcat> $L('bla') translates bla into another language if setup correctly
Mar 21 20:53:59 <BigBiff> interesting - it's all over the sdk samples
Mar 21 20:54:10 <BigBiff> cool
Mar 21 20:57:53 <rwhitby> I'm taking a stand against all this irrelevant market news about Palm: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/10836245909
Mar 21 20:59:24 <swisstomcat> i agree .. retweeted
Mar 21 20:59:30 <halfhalo_T400> tr'ed
Mar 21 20:59:34 <halfhalo_T400> rt'ed
Mar 21 20:59:42 <halfhalo_T400> fffffffff, cant type today
Mar 21 21:00:50 <thomaschaaf> rwhitby: awseome
Mar 21 21:01:15 <thomaschaaf> retweeted
Mar 21 21:01:49 <swisstomcat> it's not that irrelevant .. palm with a share price of $0 is not going to survive long .. although they still have quite a bit of money
Mar 21 21:02:17 <swisstomcat> need to figure out a way to put webos on any device we want
Mar 21 21:03:41 <thomaschaaf> I don't get why webOS is not being sold..
Mar 21 21:03:55 <thomaschaaf> to vendors who want to have it on their phones ;)
Mar 21 21:04:14 <thomaschaaf> it seems to be writen very elastically or am I wrong about that?
Mar 21 21:04:27 <thomaschaaf> need medium sizes hardware to run..
Mar 21 21:05:03 <thomaschaaf> many people I show webos to like it.. not the hardware though which I can understand..
Mar 21 21:05:10 <thomaschaaf> not the biggest fan either
Mar 21 21:05:40 <halfhalo_T400> Issue is people don't actually know about it, or they play with it for 5 mintues in the store and walk away confused
Mar 21 21:05:49 <jlazaroff> rwhitby: retweeted :)
Mar 21 21:10:50 <thomaschaaf> halfhalo_T400: lol no if I didn't like the software I would have called that device total shit..
Mar 21 21:10:56 <thomaschaaf> getting a new one on money..
Mar 21 21:11:09 <thomaschaaf> oreos *yummy*
Mar 21 21:11:17 <thomaschaaf> oreos and phones not so much
Mar 21 21:11:38 <thomaschaaf> also the little wabbly plastic thingy.. REALLY?!
Mar 21 21:12:26 <Templarian> Anyone that needs the code for any type of billard or ball game: http://www.assaultwars.com/javascriptgame/tests/circletocircle.html
Mar 21 21:12:56 <thomaschaaf> Templarian: oh I would think that would be amazing!
Mar 21 21:13:30 <Templarian> My little bro got bored and wrote it for a friend but figured one of you guys could make a game with it by adding simple graphics and some goals or something.
Mar 21 21:13:33 <rwhitby> Templarian: package that and sell it for $1 in the app catalog
Mar 21 21:14:01 <rwhitby> make the circles change to a random colour each time they collide
Mar 21 21:14:04 <Templarian> lol, it's like 2min of coding lol.
Mar 21 21:14:23 <Templarian> This is why the app catalog is full of crap. :(
Mar 21 21:14:36 * Templarian keeps looking at his WP7 SDK download. :)
Mar 21 21:15:09 <jlazaroff> question: if i have a list with a drawer inside each list item, how do i instantiate the drawers?
Mar 21 21:15:11 <thomaschaaf> if webos dies I hope the pre will get wp7 at least :D
Mar 21 21:15:28 <thomaschaaf> and not be stuck dead
Mar 21 21:15:45 <jlazaroff> thomaschaaf: it'd be the pre dying and webos surviving, not the other way around
Mar 21 21:16:13 <thomaschaaf> jlazaroff: I guess a phone only lasts 2 years now a days..
Mar 21 21:17:26 <jlazaroff> thomaschaaf: i... am not really old enough to remember a time when it didn't xD
Mar 21 21:17:39 <dawm|laptop> lols
Mar 21 21:17:40 <jlazaroff> i meant that in the sense of the webos software being more important than the pre hardware
Mar 21 21:18:10 <thomaschaaf> lol I got my nokia with 6.. and lasted me 6 years :D
Mar 21 21:18:28 <thomaschaaf> Nokia 3210 <3
Mar 21 21:18:29 <Templarian> thomaschaaf: the pre doesn't even come close the the 1ghz requirement.
Mar 21 21:19:13 <thomaschaaf> Templarian: oh thats the requierment.. okay if the pre had that much lag would be ouf the question for the pre too :D
Mar 21 21:19:17 <thomaschaaf> for webos
Mar 21 21:19:55 <thomaschaaf> I thought the pre had 600mhz but they really made it slower to save battery how are others going to manage..
Mar 21 21:20:02 <thomaschaaf> battery wise..
Mar 21 21:20:05 <halfhalo_T400> cannot call method transaction of null
Mar 21 21:20:07 <thomaschaaf> bigger phones?
Mar 21 21:20:08 <halfhalo_T400> WHAT
Mar 21 21:20:09 <halfhalo_T400> THE
Mar 21 21:20:10 <halfhalo_T400> HEll
Mar 21 21:20:27 <jlazaroff> hi Tibfib! :D
Mar 21 21:20:51 <swisstomcat> some people have their pre at 800mhz
Mar 21 21:20:53 <MetaView> ...
Mar 21 21:21:14 <Templarian> thomaschaaf: the pre runs at 500mhz lol :)
Mar 21 21:21:28 <Tibfib> hi jlazaroff
Mar 21 21:22:45 <thomaschaaf> Templarian: yea 600mhz processor running at 500 mhz
Mar 21 21:22:48 <thomaschaaf> thsts what I read
Mar 21 21:23:03 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: how is that working out? less lag?
Mar 21 21:23:11 <thomaschaaf> noticibly less battery?
Mar 21 21:23:11 <swisstomcat> not mine
Mar 21 21:23:21 <swisstomcat> just saw a video of one that has
Mar 21 21:24:37 <thomaschaaf> what can you see on the video :D
Mar 21 21:24:56 <swisstomcat> that it's fast .. very fast
Mar 21 21:25:01 <thomaschaaf> video?
Mar 21 21:25:03 <thomaschaaf> link
Mar 21 21:25:05 <thomaschaaf> pls
Mar 21 21:25:06 <swisstomcat> (and smoke coming out at the back) :D
Mar 21 21:25:11 <reality9110> HTC Supersonic should be revealed next week
Mar 21 21:25:39 <swisstomcat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS39yzGOZCw
Mar 21 21:26:09 <thomaschaaf> wow okay
Mar 21 21:26:25 <thomaschaaf> can i get a new cpu now?
Mar 21 21:37:04 <swisstomcat> put an old cpu-heatsink on it
Mar 21 21:37:05 <rohit1> hello
Mar 21 21:37:07 <swisstomcat> hello
Mar 21 21:37:28 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat sure going to help with my battery problems :D
Mar 21 21:37:38 <rohit1> I want to use database features of the webOS can u tell me from where should i start?
Mar 21 21:37:42 <swisstomcat> just strap a bigger battery on it
Mar 21 21:38:04 <swisstomcat> rohit1: look for a tutorial
Mar 21 21:38:11 <swisstomcat> e.g on webos101
Mar 21 21:38:11 <thomaschaaf> rohit1: Data APP
Mar 21 21:38:21 <thomaschaaf> look at it
Mar 21 21:39:28 <rohit1> ok,, If u have any other suggestions,, or someone knows a good tutorial link,, please share.. Thank yoou..
Mar 21 21:39:31 <rohit1> :)
Mar 21 21:40:16 <swisstomcat> there's also a good book on that and other topics "practical palm pre webos projects"
Mar 21 21:40:45 <rohit1> is the book free??
Mar 21 21:42:11 <swisstomcat> no, not free
Mar 21 21:42:18 <swisstomcat> there's an ebook
Mar 21 21:44:19 <rohit1> ok
Mar 21 21:44:53 <swisstomcat> the book is on apress
Mar 21 21:46:11 <swisstomcat> allright, time to hit the sack
Mar 21 21:53:34 <jlazaroff> anyone know how to instantiate widgets inside of a list?
Mar 21 21:59:46 <MetaView> is there any wordpress blog app?
Mar 21 21:59:54 <halfhalo_T400> no idea
Mar 21 22:01:14 <MetaView> ok
Mar 21 22:13:10 <thomaschaaf> http://pastie.org/880190 tryign to build in a new function here and I can't seem to get after this.cacheGenerate :( this doesn not work like I want it to huh?
Mar 21 22:13:19 <thomaschaaf> what do I have to do different?
Mar 21 22:13:24 <thomaschaaf> (new to js)
Mar 21 22:16:25 <haeffb> thomaschaaf: "this" is no longer what you thought it was inside your Ajax request.
Mar 21 22:16:46 <thomaschaaf> so I would access it with parent?
Mar 21 22:16:53 <thomaschaaf> or how would I access the function down there?
Mar 21 22:17:29 <haeffb> stick a .bind(this) at the end of line 40, after the parens.
Mar 21 22:19:35 <thomaschaaf> parens are ) right?
Mar 21 22:20:16 <haeffb> yes
Mar 21 22:20:22 <thomaschaaf> that didn't work
Mar 21 22:20:32 * haeffb wasn't sure it would.
Mar 21 22:20:37 <thomaschaaf> Object anonymous has no method bind
Mar 21 22:21:51 <haeffb> sorry, I'm out of ideas...
Mar 21 22:22:17 <haeffb> besides, it's past your bedtime.
Mar 21 22:22:30 <thomaschaaf> with SMSApi().cacheGenerate(response) maybe?
Mar 21 22:27:46 <haeffb> maybe
Mar 21 22:27:47 <MetaView> onSuccess(...) {...}.bind(this),
Mar 21 22:28:38 <MetaView> ok, I'm off, it's going late soon
Mar 21 22:29:01 <MetaView> still not getting done what I want
Mar 21 22:30:15 <thomaschaaf> MetaView: thanks!
Mar 21 22:30:43 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: thanks for trying though was almost correct :D
Mar 21 22:47:15 <halfhalo_T400> hmmm
Mar 21 22:47:18 <halfhalo_T400> zumodrive
Mar 21 22:54:38 <thomaschaaf> is there a way to access the pres storage via wifi yet?
Mar 21 22:54:50 <rwhitby> OpenSSH SFTP Server is what I use
Mar 21 22:55:04 <halfhalo_T400> Im checking out zumodrive now..
Mar 21 22:55:08 <thomaschaaf> I was thinking as an app but then I think the api is to limited
Mar 21 22:55:46 <halfhalo_T400> you give me a pdk plugin that lets me get folders/files, I will give you an app catalog syncing app
Mar 21 22:56:11 <rwhitby> just write a gui app which has a single screen which says "Yes, the OpenSSH SFTP Server is running, you can use it any time you like."
Mar 21 22:57:30 <halfhalo_T400> but how will that help people like me who have a stick pre......
Mar 21 22:57:42 <halfhalo_T400> wait, nevermind, I have preware installed
Mar 21 22:57:43 <thomaschaaf> what the hell is a stick pre?
Mar 21 22:58:36 <halfhalo_T400> stock....
Mar 21 22:58:42 <thomaschaaf> :D
Mar 21 22:58:49 <halfhalo_T400> cant really see the screen with irc on it right now
Mar 21 22:58:49 <rwhitby> halfhalo_T400: it won't help them.  You either install Preware and escape the documented API chains, or you stay within the documented API chains and don't do what you want to do.  It's a simple choice.
Mar 21 23:00:37 <halfhalo_T400> Well, in order to stay withing the API chains all we need is a pdk plugin to view files/folders in the /media/internal portion of the pre.  Everything else can be taken care of using Mojo just fine, including the uploading/downloading part of it
Mar 21 23:03:32 <rohit1> How to include more than one js files
Mar 21 23:03:33 <rohit1> ?
Mar 21 23:04:14 <destinal-home1> rwhitby: the PDK means C and C++ are fair game and you can expose new arbitrary native code to be run by mojo.  Not sure how that affects stick pre though.
Mar 21 23:04:34 <destinal-home1> and of course mere mortals can't submit PDK apps yet, right?
Mar 21 23:04:50 <halfhalo_T400> not yet
Mar 21 23:05:28 <destinal-home1> oh stock pre.  yeah, they'd work on stock pre :)
Mar 21 23:07:08 <halfhalo_T400> TECHNICALLY, once way syncing can happen without the pdk right now
Mar 21 23:08:20 <rwhitby> destinal: we'll wait and see exactly what permissions a PDK application has when it is opened to public submissions in the middle of the year.  I doubt they will run as root, or outside of a chroot.
Mar 21 23:33:18 <haeffb> rohit1: add them to sources.json
Mar 21 23:34:21 <rohit1> they can be put into use using my html files?
Mar 21 23:57:05 <thomaschaaf> are there any good headers where I can have text and a little thing which states the balance?
Mar 21 23:57:25 <thomaschaaf> basically I need a header with text on the right and on the left
Mar 22 00:09:23 <thomaschaaf> Mojo.Log.info(Mojo.Format.formatDate(Date(), 'short')); any ideas?
Mar 22 00:09:33 <thomaschaaf> getting has no method getDate
Mar 22 00:22:40 <thomaschaaf> new Date() :)
Mar 22 00:53:30 <JenP> hi all!
Mar 22 00:58:33 <rwhitby> hi JenP
Mar 22 00:58:42 <JenP> hi rod!
Mar 22 00:58:47 <rwhitby> JenP: http://bit.ly/saverestore
Mar 22 00:59:15 <JenP> rod that's awesome!
Mar 22 00:59:38 <JenP> i still need your help with my ssh keys...
Mar 22 01:00:32 <rwhitby> JenP: do you have novaterm access?
Mar 22 01:00:34 <JenP> hey Rod we need instructions or a link in the topic for the irc on how to register with the nickserv
Mar 22 01:00:39 <JenP> yeah i do
Mar 22 01:03:46 <rwhitby> JenP: I have no power in this channel :)
Mar 22 01:03:58 <JenP> rod what's the link to register?
Mar 22 01:04:08 <JenP> but i thought you had power over everything...i'm crushed
Mar 22 01:09:44 <rwhitby> JenP: ls -l /home/root/.ssh/
Mar 22 01:12:06 <JenP> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 400 mar 21 00:43 authorized_keys
Mar 22 01:13:00 <JenP> rwitby: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 400 mar 21 00:43 authorized_keys
Mar 22 01:15:48 <thomaschaaf> I'm getting a new pre tomorrow anything I should backup except pics which are not saved on palm backup thingy?
Mar 22 01:16:19 <JenP> rwhitby: i also have an "known_hosts" file in there
Mar 22 01:17:01 <rwhitby> JenP: ls -ld /home/root/.ssh
Mar 22 01:17:54 <JenP> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root
Mar 22 01:18:24 <rwhitby> JenP: ok, which openssh or dropbear packages do you have installed in Preware?
Mar 22 01:18:24 <JenP> rwhitby
Mar 22 01:18:38 <JenP> gotta check one sec
Mar 22 01:21:50 <JenP> rwhitby: dropbear 0.52-10 & OpenSSH 5.3.1.5 & OpenSSH SFTP SERVER 5.3.1-3
Mar 22 01:22:15 <rwhitby> JenP: ok.  you should uninstall dropbear then
Mar 22 01:22:28 <JenP> kk
Mar 22 01:22:57 <rwhitby> Preware 0.9.31 and Package Manager Service 0.9.44 released
Mar 22 01:23:21 <JenP> do i need to get updates?
Mar 22 01:24:16 <JenP> rwhitby: uninstalled now what?
Mar 22 01:26:38 <rwhitby> JenP: reboot Pre and try to connect again
Mar 22 01:27:29 <JenP> rwhitby: after reboot....plug in as USB? and turn wifi on?
Mar 22 01:27:47 <rwhitby> JenP: yep
Mar 22 01:27:51 <JenP> kk
Mar 22 01:33:30 <RavenBF> hello?
Mar 22 01:35:23 <halfhalo_T400> screw
Mar 22 01:35:24 <halfhalo_T400> you
Mar 22 01:35:26 <halfhalo_T400> lunua
Mar 22 01:35:47 <JenP> hi RavenBF
Mar 22 01:45:37 <JenP> hi all
Mar 22 01:46:15 <JenP> rwhitby: k rebooted still unable to log in
Mar 22 01:46:35 <rwhitby> JenP: ls -l /etc/event.d/mobi.*
Mar 22 01:47:33 <JenP> rwhitby: -rw-r--r-- 1 root ..../etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh
Mar 22 01:47:58 <rwhitby> JenP: ps -ef | grep openssh
Mar 22 01:48:33 <JenP> rwhitby: root 2188  2046  ...... grep openssh
Mar 22 01:49:17 <rwhitby> JenP: ps -ef | grep ssh
Mar 22 01:50:08 <RavenBF> JenP: thx much
Mar 22 01:50:30 <JenP> rwhitby: root  1211 ....  /opt/sbin/sshd -D -p 22 -o PasswordAuthentication no -o PermitRootLogin without..
Mar 22 01:50:35 <JenP> RavenBF you're welcome
Mar 22 01:51:00 <RavenBF> man i really need to get a unix system to play with, taking Unix this semester, i wanna take Unix II just for giggles because i feel like i have been missing out on a really powerful tool for the last 12 years i have been a computer user
Mar 22 01:51:27 <rwhitby> JenP: ok, so the ssh sever is running
Mar 22 01:51:40 <JenP> nodnod
Mar 22 01:51:48 <rwhitby> JenP: now, do you have the output from ssh -v on the desktop?  webos.pastebin.com please
Mar 22 01:52:07 <JenP> no...
Mar 22 01:52:13 <JenP> how do i copy it out of novaterm
Mar 22 01:53:18 <JenP> rwhitby?
Mar 22 01:53:47 <rwhitby> JenP: hmm - dunno.  I just cut and paste on the Mac
Mar 22 01:53:56 <JenP> hmmm
Mar 22 01:53:57 <JenP> ok
Mar 22 01:54:14 <JenP> well what do you want me to get from novertem?
Mar 22 01:54:56 <rwhitby> JenP: oh, hang on.  What client are you using on the desktop to connect to the Pre?
Mar 22 01:55:04 <JenP> novaterm
Mar 22 01:55:13 <rwhitby> JenP: for ssh?
Mar 22 01:55:18 <JenP> oh sorry
Mar 22 01:55:29 <JenP> winscp
Mar 22 01:55:59 <rwhitby> JenP: is it accessing your private key, and logging in as root?
Mar 22 01:56:53 <JenP> no I get a network connection time out error
Mar 22 01:57:11 <JenP> hmm should i still have it in usb mode?
Mar 22 01:57:16 <rwhitby> doesn't matter
Mar 22 01:57:24 <rwhitby> JenP: can you ping the Pre from the desktop?
Mar 22 01:57:35 <JenP> one sec
Mar 22 01:58:38 <JenP> yeah all packets returned rwhityby
Mar 22 01:59:24 <JenP> oh i got a server's host key does not match the one winscp has in cache....
Mar 22 01:59:38 <JenP> should i trust it?
Mar 22 02:00:43 <JenP> rwhitby or update it?
Mar 22 02:02:23 <JenP> rwhitby: http://www.screencast.com/users/g33kgirl/folders/Jing/media/2ec6830e-3c07-44b9-a69e-84b6d413fe25
Mar 22 02:04:37 <rwhitby> JenP: trust it, it's likely to be because of the dropbear to openssh change
Mar 22 02:05:31 <JenP> awesome rwhitby...thank you
Mar 22 02:05:41 <rwhitby> JenP: did it work?
Mar 22 02:05:48 <JenP> yeah it did
Mar 22 02:07:30 <rwhitby> anyone who is sick of hearing about Palm's stock price should retweet http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/10836245909
Mar 22 02:07:43 <halfhalo_T400> ben there, done that
Mar 22 02:10:26 <JenP> retweeted away...
Mar 22 02:29:02 <JenP> hey guys question...i want to make a global cookie object
Mar 22 02:29:09 <JenP> var makeCookie =  function(name, val){
Mar 22 02:29:09 <JenP> 	VariableName = name;
Mar 22 02:29:09 <JenP> 	value = val;	
Mar 22 02:29:09 <dawm_> no
Mar 22 02:29:17 <JenP> dawm? no?
Mar 22 02:29:26 <dawm_> lol
Mar 22 02:29:30 <JenP> lol
Mar 22 02:29:33 <dawm_> bad timing at the random word :P
Mar 22 02:29:36 <JenP> lol
Mar 22 02:29:37 <dawm_> you can
Mar 22 02:30:07 <JenP> ok...http://pastebin.com/N7UFJD4i
Mar 22 02:30:11 <dawm_> i stole the cookie/db wrappers from the facebook app cause their so simple and useful
Mar 22 02:30:15 <JenP> take a look at that please
Mar 22 02:30:21 <JenP> i didn't even look there
Mar 22 02:30:33 <JenP> what are they?
Mar 22 02:31:17 <dawm_> your function is a bit redundant
Mar 22 02:31:24 <JenP> nodnod
Mar 22 02:31:25 <dawm_> no need to assign twice
Mar 22 02:31:39 <dawm_> no need for the this either
Mar 22 02:32:02 <JenP> what would be better?
Mar 22 02:32:49 <dawm_> http://pastebin.com/zJg82VrQ
Mar 22 02:33:25 <dawm_> but again
Mar 22 02:33:27 <JenP> cool...that didnt' even occur to me
Mar 22 02:33:30 <JenP> ?
Mar 22 02:33:32 <dawm_> you could just have your cookie global
Mar 22 02:33:55 <dawm_> var myCookie = new Mojo.Model.Cookie("appName");
Mar 22 02:34:05 <dawm_> and then you just myCookie.put(data);
Mar 22 02:34:21 <dawm_> or var getData =  myCookie.get();
Mar 22 02:34:43 <JenP> i'm sorry you've confused me now...because i thought i was making it global
Mar 22 02:34:47 <dawm_> then your cookie is set and assigned only once
Mar 22 02:34:52 <dawm_> no you were just making a function
Mar 22 02:35:05 <dawm_> each time you called it it would be creating and destroying a cookie object
Mar 22 02:35:11 <JenP> mmm kk
Mar 22 02:35:16 <dawm_> hold on ill make a sample
Mar 22 02:35:32 <JenP> thanks
Mar 22 02:36:01 <Templarian> JenP: http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1567/screene.png < hehe. :)
Mar 22 02:36:22 <JenP> Templarian lol what am i looking at?
Mar 22 02:36:55 <dawm_> winmo sdk
Mar 22 02:37:02 <JenP> ohhhh
Mar 22 02:37:27 <JenP> templarian: are you having fun with it?
Mar 22 02:38:58 <dawm_> JenP, heres a snipplet taken from the facebook app
Mar 22 02:39:00 <dawm_> http://pastebin.com/SxqX1hSK
Mar 22 02:39:16 <dawm_> might give you some ideas of how to do whatever your trying to do
Mar 22 02:39:24 <Templarian> dawm_: Windows Phone*
Mar 22 02:39:36 <JenP> thanks dawm
Mar 22 02:39:40 <dawm_> oh its winphone now? not winmo?
Mar 22 02:39:42 <Templarian> JenP: it's amazing, I rendered a little 32x32 tile so far.
Mar 22 02:39:57 <dawm_> oops off to bed
Mar 22 02:39:57 <Templarian> dawm_: yea everything got rebranded.
Mar 22 02:39:59 <dawm_> cya
Mar 22 02:40:07 <Templarian> gnite dawm_
Mar 22 02:40:07 <JenP> i'll have to get it and see who quickly i can break it
Mar 22 02:40:12 <JenP> nite dawm
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