**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 03:00:02 2010 Mar 22 03:00:21 NOMKEYS Mar 22 03:00:50 hi folks Mar 22 03:01:00 hola que tal como estas Mar 22 03:05:08 hi Bmyers Mar 22 03:06:05 hi JenP Mar 22 03:12:01 hi haeffb_pre or haeffb Mar 22 03:58:45 anyone around? Mar 22 03:58:51 nein Mar 22 03:59:08 sup halfhalo Mar 22 03:59:25 trying to get this stupid algorithm working Mar 22 03:59:29 hehe Mar 22 03:59:34 same Mar 22 04:00:03 Any idea how to keep a textfield widget from being focused when my scene loads? Mar 22 04:00:10 nope Mar 22 04:00:18 the autoFocus: false attribute doesn't seem to have any effect Mar 22 04:00:41 Dammit. I'm off by a grand total of 5 between my result and the real result Mar 22 04:01:18 doh! Mar 22 04:06:11 there is no reason this should not work Mar 22 04:06:16 hehe Mar 22 04:06:17 WHY DOES THIS NOT WORK Mar 22 04:06:35 I bet it's the same thing that's forcing focus on my text field! Mar 22 04:06:43 I'm giving up for the night Mar 22 04:06:54 bleh don't want to go to work tomorroe Mar 22 04:44:25 OK, WTF Mar 22 04:44:33 Javascript is messing up my number Mar 22 04:47:23 s/Javascript/IEEE754/ Mar 22 04:48:32 Its taking this number 76561197960265728 and making it 76561197960265730 Mar 22 04:48:57 sounds about right for ieee754 Mar 22 04:49:12 I hate IEEE754 Mar 22 04:49:20 have to deal with that in my ASM class Mar 22 04:49:32 screw it, making it a string Mar 22 06:27:21 hi everyone! :D Mar 22 06:45:48 Hello,, Can I have more then one JS file for a particular scene? Mar 22 06:46:14 rohit1: sure! Mar 22 06:46:25 you mean like, a class? Mar 22 06:46:43 good morning Mar 22 06:47:32 noaXess: good morning? where are you? Mar 22 06:47:38 not exactly,, like if we have a scene we include the JS assistant for it in the sources.json file.. so can i include more than one file for a scene? Mar 22 06:47:46 jlazaroff: switzerland Mar 22 06:47:57 it's 07:48 here Mar 22 06:47:59 am Mar 22 06:48:06 noaXess: oh, wow. good night from america! (2:48 am) Mar 22 06:48:25 jlazaroff: :) Mar 22 06:48:33 BTW 12:18 PM in india Mar 22 06:48:39 jlazaroff: you're a night worker? Mar 22 06:49:03 rohit1: lunch time ;) Mar 22 06:49:06 noaXess: oooh yes. Mar 22 06:49:26 rohit1: sure, just add it to the sources.json (or you can include it in index.html i think). what are you using a second js file for if not a class, though? Mar 22 06:49:54 noaxess: yeah,, m hungry.. Mar 22 06:50:13 you'd give it its own line in sources.json though Mar 22 06:50:24 so like {"source": "app/blahblah.js"} Mar 22 06:50:40 i keep all my classes in app/classes/ Mar 22 06:51:05 jlazaroff: The other file also have classes.. actually i'm porting an old JS app,, so it has 4-5 JS files each for different purpose.. like one having constants etc etc.. Mar 22 06:51:38 rohit1: aaaah, okay Mar 22 06:52:10 So if i include all the files for one scene it'll work fine? Mar 22 06:53:29 if you include a js file in sources.json, you should be able to access it in your scenes, yeah Mar 22 06:54:13 and can the JS files interact with each other? Mar 22 06:54:50 yup! Mar 22 06:55:05 Thanks.. :) Mar 22 06:56:43 man, i have such a wonky workflow right now Mar 22 06:57:07 i'm sleeping over at my grandma's house, and she doesn't have a wireless router Mar 22 06:57:19 wat do u do? Mar 22 06:57:50 so i'm IRCing on her desktop, programming on my laptop, and testing on my pre (since i need network connectivity for my app, the emulator won't work Mar 22 06:58:02 it's okay except for the long time it takes to install the ipk to the pre Mar 22 07:03:12 oh. um. bye rohit1! Mar 22 07:05:31 morning Mar 22 07:06:13 hi swisstomcat! :) Mar 22 07:07:00 hey Mar 22 07:10:23 how's it going over in switzerland? Mar 22 07:10:43 pretty good Mar 22 07:10:47 i've a new app in beta Mar 22 07:10:48 http://www.myappbox.com/a/com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta/ Mar 22 07:10:59 feedback appreciated Mar 22 07:14:33 can i download that from preware? Mar 22 07:21:01 jlazaroff: think no .. and swisstomcat enjoy's now hes breakfast ;) Mar 22 07:22:54 noaXess: oh, do you two know each other in meatspace? Mar 22 07:23:24 jlazaroff: no.. but i know swisstomcat in person ;) Mar 22 07:24:26 meatspace = in person/in real life Mar 22 07:24:58 jlazaroff: aha.. sorry... swisstoncat wrote that in webos-intarnals channel .... just read Mar 22 07:25:28 jlazaroff: doesn't know that word, meatspace.. so.. every day we can learn ;) Mar 22 07:26:17 we are in the mment the only swiss webos developer, that are also in this channel.. Mar 22 07:26:26 noaXess: i don't think anyone actually uses it except for me. they use it sometimes in wired magazine when they want to be funny, so i just started using it xD Mar 22 07:26:34 oh wow, really? Mar 22 07:26:56 jlazaroff: yes... Mar 22 07:27:04 what carrier do you use over there? Mar 22 07:27:26 jlazaroff: orange, swisscom, and also sunrise, i think all are working... Mar 22 07:27:36 aaaah Mar 22 07:27:39 jlazaroff: but we had to buy the pre in germany on a O2 shop Mar 22 07:27:48 gsm unlocked? Mar 22 07:27:55 jlazaroff: jep.. Mar 22 07:28:01 so.. breakfast time.. bbs Mar 22 07:28:06 enjoy :) Mar 22 07:32:04 rehi Mar 22 07:32:15 yeah, animalmemory is in preware too Mar 22 07:39:20 swisstomcat: i don't see it :( all i see is animal sound box Mar 22 07:39:47 actually, let me update my feeds and try again Mar 22 07:39:49 go to all packages? Mar 22 07:40:04 it should be under yesterdays packages Mar 22 07:42:46 got it! Mar 22 07:45:52 allright Mar 22 07:47:10 swisstomcat: 15 tries for matching pics, and 17 tries for matching pics and prints -_- Mar 22 07:47:25 did you do your icon in a vector program? Mar 22 07:48:05 someone did them for me Mar 22 07:48:13 photoshop/illustrator i think Mar 22 07:49:46 aaah Mar 22 07:50:08 get them to send you a bigger version too Mar 22 07:50:21 it gets pixellated when it becomes the splash image Mar 22 07:50:29 er, blurry Mar 22 07:50:41 So I think I worked out how someone outside the US can buy stuff from the app catalog. Mar 22 07:50:53 oh Mar 22 07:51:04 jlazaroff: how do you like it? Mar 22 07:51:44 First, you need a Sprint device, with an active palm profile. You can use Meta-Doctor to bypass activation (don't know whether it needs to have been activated once in the US or not). Mar 22 07:52:02 like a developer device? Mar 22 07:52:50 swisstomcat: the app is great :) Mar 22 07:52:55 Then the next thing is to get a US credit card. http://www.simon.com/giftcard/ seems to be a good place for that. Someone with a US credit card needs to purchase it for you, and gift it to you. Mar 22 07:53:21 ah, it's a debit card Mar 22 07:53:23 Then you need a US address that you can enter in as the new address for the card. Mar 22 07:53:41 (so you don't use the original purchaser's address in your app catalog profile) Mar 22 07:55:34 not sure if you can buy these from not in the US, but https://www.americanexpress.com/gift/giftcardslanding.shtml Mar 22 07:56:10 swisstomcat: i'll have to ask you how you made that overlay sometime Mar 22 07:56:27 jlazaroff: there are plenty of different gift cards. the key point is being able to change the billing address after purchase, in addition to no monthly fee. Mar 22 07:56:41 jlazaroff: just a div that has display: none and display: block swapped Mar 22 07:57:48 jlazaroff: apart from that, there is the small issue that you can only use Visa or Mastercard with the Palm App Catalog, so an American Express card is not much help ... Mar 22 07:58:08 rwhitby: ah, okay. sorry Mar 22 07:59:38 swisstomcat: oh, cool. i 'm thinking of trying out something like this instead of error dialogs for my app, is why i asked http://humanized.com/weblog/2006/09/11/monolog_boxes_and_transparent_messages/ Mar 22 08:02:25 oh, cool Mar 22 08:02:53 a dialog box didn't seem to fit the theme of the game Mar 22 08:03:54 swisstomcat: the sounds don't always work in the "match pictures and sounds" level Mar 22 08:04:10 really? Mar 22 08:04:28 could you send me the log? Mar 22 08:04:55 swisstomcat: sure! Mar 22 08:04:58 ...how do i get it xD Mar 22 08:05:13 palm-log com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta Mar 22 08:06:34 oh, right Mar 22 08:07:33 hey guys Mar 22 08:07:44 i just saw this article, http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/rip-palm-its-over-and-heres-why.ars Mar 22 08:07:59 umm, it said the executives wanted the palm pre to be for women? Mar 22 08:08:01 is that true? Mar 22 08:08:06 my best friends a dude and he has one Mar 22 08:10:34 hey tripknotix Mar 22 08:10:43 heya Mar 22 08:14:59 zomg! let's not buy a phone because some executive said it should appeal to women! Mar 22 08:15:54 ok.. Mar 22 08:16:03 well no i just wanted to let him know Mar 22 08:16:05 just saying Mar 22 08:16:12 i don't see why that matters Mar 22 08:16:16 it doesnt Mar 22 08:16:22 but to others it might Mar 22 08:16:22 so he should know Mar 22 08:16:28 a fair article i think Mar 22 08:16:31 hes my best friend Mar 22 08:16:31 anywayz Mar 22 08:16:32 thanks Mar 22 08:16:37 im not sure if its true Mar 22 08:16:38 but Mar 22 08:16:50 i guess ill just link him the article in an email Mar 22 08:16:50 thanks all bye Mar 22 08:17:00 -_____- Mar 22 08:18:52 does that dude come in here a lot? Mar 22 08:20:33 swisstomcat: what's your email, i'll send you the log? Mar 22 08:20:55 wait, actually i can do it via the help screen Mar 22 09:26:21 okay, sleepytime Mar 22 09:26:23 gnite! Mar 22 09:26:27 cu Mar 22 09:57:49 how do i convert a js object to json again? Mar 22 10:41:45 How do I find out what JS Version WebOS is using? Mar 22 10:44:19 I guess 1,6 but for each() doesn't seem to be supported yet :( Mar 22 11:03:06 Hi Mar 22 11:03:24 hi Mar 22 11:03:32 hühnerhose? :) Mar 22 11:15:34 schweizerkatze Mar 22 11:15:57 i've seen a schweizerkatze, but never a hühnerhose :D Mar 22 11:28:16 hmm :( this.controller.modelChanged(this.infoListModel); gives me the error "WARNING: modelChanged found no watchers..." and it does not make the list pretty :( Mar 22 11:28:28 cool new site: http://theymakeapps.com/ Mar 22 11:32:24 thomaschaaf: code? Mar 22 11:33:00 wait Mar 22 11:34:22 first answer is always: show me the code :) Mar 22 11:35:07 http://pastie.org/880778 Mar 22 11:35:37 resulting in: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2010-03-22_1235.png Mar 22 11:37:44 where do you call success? Mar 22 11:37:57 in the setup right now Mar 22 11:38:06 how? Mar 22 11:38:17 this.success('asd'); Mar 22 11:38:28 (result gets overwritten anyway) Mar 22 11:38:55 remember from yesterday that this has it's own context Mar 22 11:39:21 how did you call the smsapi code? Mar 22 11:41:17 but it is changing the stuff as you can see in the screenshot Mar 22 11:41:23 just not adding the values :( Mar 22 11:50:21 i was refering to the modelchanged error you were getting Mar 22 11:55:04 just not adding the values :think it's just a warning.. Mar 22 11:55:19 but I want to know why it's not displaying the values :( Mar 22 12:05:09 if it can't add the values how could it display them? Mar 22 12:08:09 it's jsut displaying the "name" attributes Mar 22 12:09:45 the list is empty before? Mar 22 12:09:59 yep Mar 22 12:10:13 hmm Mar 22 12:11:25 lol I found it :( itemTemplate: 'start/list' wrong template.. Mar 22 12:13:09 ph Mar 22 12:13:10 oh Mar 22 12:15:35 I want a better api :( with more pictures.. damn it.. Mar 22 12:16:00 * rwhitby bbt Mar 22 12:16:45 is there a class "hiden" or something? I want the empty list not to show Mar 22 12:17:09 there's a style: none (css) Mar 22 12:19:32 this.controller.get('listGroup').hide(); Mar 22 12:19:39 fyi :) Mar 22 12:19:55 works too Mar 22 12:20:16 lunch ... bbl Mar 22 12:40:49 has anyone built in any easter eggs into their app? Mar 22 12:45:13 does anybody work with funambol? Mar 22 12:46:51 fieldValue: if(newList[8]==1) {return 'Yes';} else() { return 'No';} can I do that? Mar 22 12:47:31 how can I have an if statement in there? Mar 22 12:49:21 fieldValue: (newList[8]=='1') ? 'Yes' : 'No' ;) got it Mar 22 13:06:32 no users that want syncing the pre with any groupware solution? Mar 22 13:07:34 noaXess: not really.. Mar 22 13:07:57 why? Mar 22 13:08:28 noaXess: I have all my contacts in my phone.. Mar 22 13:08:41 thomaschaaf: and only there? Mar 22 13:08:56 and on palms servers, google and facebook Mar 22 13:09:21 so you use only the solutions that pre defaults give you.. Mar 22 13:09:23 hm.. Mar 22 13:09:38 I'd like the *VZ which are native to germany Mar 22 13:09:49 meinVZ, schuelerVZ and studiVZ Mar 22 13:09:55 ?? Mar 22 13:09:59 rehi Mar 22 13:10:05 rehi? Mar 22 13:10:32 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ReHi Mar 22 13:10:49 oh never heard of that! Mar 22 13:10:58 like maetspace.. Mar 22 13:11:01 meatspace ^ Mar 22 13:11:03 yeah Mar 22 13:11:14 funny word Mar 22 13:11:39 i don't really support, that no one is interessted in other syn methods.. Mar 22 13:11:49 I know :P Mar 22 13:11:52 just said.. Mar 22 13:12:26 and what about helping instead? Mar 22 13:12:42 someone know funambol? Mar 22 13:12:46 noaXess: no I dont Mar 22 13:13:08 thomaschaaf: are you familiar with java or just with javascript? Mar 22 13:22:04 what is the name of the site where you can see the download numbers and stuff of apps again? Mar 22 13:22:06 some project.. Mar 22 13:22:08 I forgot :( Mar 22 13:22:42 projectappetite.com Mar 22 13:22:45 myappbox.com Mar 22 13:22:47 cyrket.com Mar 22 13:22:56 i usually use the second one Mar 22 13:23:08 how many pres are there in the DACH area do you know? Mar 22 13:23:24 guess you would have to ask o2 that Mar 22 13:24:02 the bild app and spiegel both only have ~27k dls Mar 22 13:24:18 swisstomcat: does it offer any functionality cyrket doesn't? Mar 22 13:24:42 hey saurik, long time not seen Mar 22 13:24:46 when I looked at it it was really really slow, had a bad search engine, and seemed to concentrate more on graphical effects than functionality Mar 22 13:25:32 cyrket doesn't have my app anymore Mar 22 13:25:38 I am trying to figure out whether I am even going to get 100 dls with an app which going to give you 10 free sms Mar 22 13:25:39 and myappbox is prettier :) Mar 22 13:25:43 for 79cents Mar 22 13:25:49 swisstomcat: is your app still in the catalog? Mar 22 13:25:54 yeah Mar 22 13:26:01 swisstomcat: what is it called? Mar 22 13:26:03 moo Mar 22 13:31:04 ok, I see what happened Mar 22 13:31:42 i was wondering why it disappeared. but then myappbox started to show the comments too so i used that Mar 22 13:33:55 when I added deleted package detection for the palm catalog no one told me that I apparently screwed up ;P Mar 22 13:35:28 is there a way to get my contact linkings backed up? Mar 22 13:37:53 saurik: yeah, instead i just jumped ship :) Mar 22 13:39:29 if you search for something in myappbox (using the search engine that does no relevance ranking, it seems), and then scroll down and click on a link (such as to your package, which I was just looking at), and then X it away, you can't scroll up anymore without highlighing the page and scrolling around, as they removed the scrollbar ;P Mar 22 13:39:59 I must say I'm still surprised you didn't just complain to me about your listing disappearing from cyrket ;P Mar 22 13:44:40 * saurik (goes back to the cave from whence he was summoned by the word "cyrket" ;P) Mar 22 13:45:39 hehe Mar 22 13:45:54 yeah, i saw that weird scrolling behaviour too Mar 22 13:48:02 thanks for getting moo back, saurik :) Mar 22 14:30:45 how to write a class? is it's normal to write it like this: ClassName = Class.create({ initialize: function(...) {.....}, .....} or is there an other way? Mar 22 14:39:42 bla=function(x) { Mar 22 14:40:22 swisstomcat: but that's only method's.. no constructor an so on. Mar 22 14:41:07 i think webos uses Prototype's API too.. http://www.prototypejs.org/api Mar 22 14:41:14 yes Mar 22 14:41:56 ich brauche the webos-client für funambol...aaaa Mar 22 14:42:11 var meinObjekt= { Mar 22 14:42:14 zahl: 42, Mar 22 14:42:21 gibZahl: function() { Mar 22 14:42:26 return meinObjekt.zahl; Mar 22 14:42:28 $ Mar 22 14:42:32 } Mar 22 14:42:32 } Mar 22 14:42:53 think same as with Class.create Mar 22 14:43:18 do you know now what === means? Mar 22 14:43:24 have found the information.. Mar 22 14:43:29 same content and sam type.. Mar 22 14:44:25 ah, as opposed to == (same content) Mar 22 14:45:30 jep.. so if(a === b) returns true, then b has same content as a and b has also same type as a.. Mar 22 15:01:37 === compares type and with objects the instance Mar 22 15:01:53 so if you do [1, 2, 3] === [1, 2, 3] the result is actually false Mar 22 15:02:02 (it's false with == too) Mar 22 15:17:21 hey everyone Mar 22 15:19:06 anybody else bummed by all the doom and gloom lately? Mar 22 15:21:21 hey Mar 22 15:21:35 i'm still developing apps Mar 22 15:21:37 hey swisstomcat Mar 22 15:21:45 not matter what the stock price of palm does Mar 22 15:21:50 same Mar 22 15:22:25 yeah i just ordered the webos dev book with the pineapple on it. so i'm sticking to. Mar 22 15:22:38 that's an excellent book, dpivs Mar 22 15:23:13 i'm looking forward to getting it, hopefully today or tomorrow. Mar 22 15:23:29 btw, anybody here in the southern california area? Mar 22 15:23:30 i got it as an e-book, one less dead tree :) Mar 22 15:24:00 swisst, so you just read it off your computer? or do you have a kindle? Mar 22 15:24:01 zomg: ans what means !==? Mar 22 15:24:42 dpivs: computer or sony reader Mar 22 15:25:04 das gegenteil von ===, noaxess Mar 22 15:25:20 as != and == are opposites Mar 22 15:25:36 so if not the same data type.. and also same content?.. i know what !=... so just be sure ;) Mar 22 15:25:51 not same content ^ Mar 22 15:26:10 does it check only same data type or same data type and same content? Mar 22 15:26:12 i'm off .. cul8er .. going to the mobile developer apero in zurich Mar 22 15:26:23 swisstomcat: soso... Mar 22 15:26:41 let's see how many palms i see there :) Mar 22 15:26:42 swisstomcat: tomorrow online? Mar 22 15:26:54 probably Mar 22 15:27:30 ok .. nice apéro ;) Mar 22 15:27:34 cu Mar 22 15:46:32 i just want to make a recommendation to Palm SDK guy if there is one listening Mar 22 15:52:20 there's an sdk guy? Mar 22 15:57:58 I am very impressed with steamfriends evdo performance if I do say so myself Mar 22 15:58:23 halfhalo: did you get your algorithm figured out? Mar 22 15:58:41 it wasn't the algorithm Mar 22 15:59:01 the number was to big so javascript rounded it Mar 22 15:59:14 stupid js! Mar 22 15:59:34 yeah Mar 22 15:59:47 saved it as a string annd it works now Mar 22 15:59:53 We had a problem at work last week where javascript parseInt() as automatically converting numbers to base 7 .. WTF?!?! Mar 22 16:00:14 s/as/was Mar 22 16:00:33 ha Mar 22 16:01:07 you know why? Mar 22 16:01:37 someone else looked at/fixed it Mar 22 16:01:48 I think he said that it was cause the number had a leading 0 Mar 22 16:01:50 ah Mar 22 16:02:00 lol Mar 22 16:02:07 he forced it to use base10 and that fixed it Mar 22 16:03:14 silly base10, thinking its better than everyone else Mar 22 16:04:36 should I get a theme or not for my pre... Mar 22 16:08:44 what's up everyone? tire fell off my car after having it worked on so i'm sitting at ntb waiting and figured i'd check out wirc Mar 22 16:08:50 pretty cool Mar 22 16:09:11 wirc, that is, not the car problem :/ Mar 22 16:09:23 lol Mar 22 16:10:50 need to get my pc set back up. wish there was a way I could develop on my pre :) Mar 22 16:11:55 this is why you always carry a backup car with you Mar 22 16:12:05 has anyone tried getting the command-line tools working on their device? just occurred to me that might be possible Mar 22 16:12:19 lol Mar 22 16:14:42 I think I might try that today. would be sweet to be able to work on my app on the go Mar 22 16:17:12 pretty slow in here. guess most of us have day jobs ;) Mar 22 16:43:33 How's everyone? Mar 22 16:43:39 siny Mar 22 16:43:41 shiny Mar 22 16:43:51 That's good Mar 22 16:50:49 Are there still no working examples of a PDK javascript plugin? Mar 22 16:53:18 no idea Mar 22 16:53:25 but I'm playing with zumodrive Mar 22 17:05:12 Win a free copy of VirtualCrossGolf. Just follow @omocopalm and retweet. http://vcg.omoco.de #palm #vcg Mar 22 17:06:00 that looks suspiciously like spam.... Mar 22 17:06:33 mmh, sorry Mar 22 17:49:04 not meaning to sound repetitive, but any southern california webos people in here? Mar 22 17:49:19 Here Mar 22 17:49:23 as in people in socal who use webos? Mar 22 17:49:25 here Mar 22 17:51:15 yeah, awesome! have any of you checked out the meetup group for webos devs i think it's los angeles based. Mar 22 17:51:30 Haven't checked them out. Mar 22 17:51:32 theres a meetup group? Mar 22 17:51:36 and its in LA? Mar 22 17:51:50 stupid traffic gets in the way... Mar 22 17:52:19 Where are you , dpvis? Mar 22 17:52:24 dpivs Mar 22 17:52:26 i'm in north orange county Mar 22 17:52:40 but here's the thing there is a meetup group and it's supposed to be based in l.a. Mar 22 17:52:58 good afternoon folks Mar 22 17:53:04 but the dude that sets it up, i think he lives in NY so i dunno why he did that. he set it up in july and it hasn't ever had a meeting. Mar 22 17:53:36 so i emailed him to see if it was still active, if i don't get a response from him by wednesday i was thinking about starting a webos dev group for the socal area. Mar 22 17:54:07 You should. Mar 22 17:56:44 yeah, i'm like 90% sure he won't respond so on wednesday i'm going to put one together so i guess i'll give you guys a heads-up when it happens! Mar 22 17:56:52 Awesome. Mar 22 17:58:01 btw, there was another pre meetup group a while back called 'premongers' and i think they had one meetup for predevcamp, did you guys go to that? Mar 22 17:58:24 I went to the predevcamp last summer, but don't think it was associated with any meetup group. Mar 22 17:59:05 oh yeah prob not officially you're right, i think one of the organizers was this dude named greg and he was the organizer for premongers. just asking because after that event that meetup group went silent too. Mar 22 17:59:22 all i know is that after some dipshit gave me a 4 rating so my app has gone from a 5 to 4.8 and have only sold 3 apps in about 3 days used to sell 10+ a day.... Mar 22 17:59:27 I went to a different one in LA. Mar 22 17:59:49 My app has a 2.5 for some godamn reason Mar 22 18:00:32 it sucks... i have an app with a 1 rating Mar 22 18:01:17 oh yeah, i think greg ran the oc predevcamp. so makes sense i guess. Mar 22 18:02:33 halfhalo_T400: people hate you...isn't it obvious? ;) Mar 22 18:02:43 meh, I can live with that Mar 22 18:03:34 oh well, time to pull a few all nighters revamping the apps Mar 22 18:03:51 saw a Palm Commercial yesterday - kinda interesting Mar 22 18:16:17 new toys in the early access toybox.... Mar 22 18:18:11 is there a choo-choo train?!?!?! Mar 22 18:20:31 interesting chuqui Mar 22 18:40:07 Hi,, I downloaded an ipk file from the internet Mar 22 18:40:15 how to run it on the emulator Mar 22 18:40:23 ? Mar 22 18:40:38 palm-install Mar 22 18:41:04 rehi Mar 22 18:42:25 went to a mobile developer apero: 10 iphones, 1 nexus one and me with palm pre :) Mar 22 18:43:09 lol Mar 22 18:43:19 you show em what their missing? Mar 22 18:44:50 yeah Mar 22 18:45:00 good Mar 22 18:45:07 at least they heard that palm is in trouble Mar 22 18:45:23 not much else to hear about palm here otherwise Mar 22 18:45:32 true... Mar 22 18:48:16 we need a damn dropbox client on the pre Mar 22 18:50:35 howdy swisstomcat Mar 22 18:52:55 howdy lonestar Mar 22 18:53:11 also, most people seemd to use foursquare, not gowalla Mar 22 19:04:54 thank you for the new toys, chuq .. appreciated! Mar 22 19:05:49 anyone know if the new v8 json parser in 1.41 means rewritting code for parsing json? Mar 22 19:06:12 1.4? Mar 22 19:06:58 1.4.1 = Replacement of the JSON parser used in webOS 1.4 with the v8 parser Mar 22 19:08:56 any way to run ipk through eclipse..? my palm-install isn't working Mar 22 19:09:12 sorry if the question was answered earlier Mar 22 19:09:20 I'm geting disconnected Mar 22 19:09:40 palm-install isn't working .. how is it not working? Mar 22 19:09:57 it's not identifying the command Mar 22 19:10:04 not even palm-generate Mar 22 19:10:09 eclipse probably uses palm-install behind the scenes too Mar 22 19:10:21 like command not found or what? Mar 22 19:10:57 command not found Mar 22 19:11:04 eclipse is working fine Mar 22 19:12:01 what os are you on? Mar 22 19:12:11 windows Mar 22 19:12:41 change to the directory where the palm stuff is installed? Mar 22 19:13:05 i'll try Mar 22 19:13:15 rohit ... you probably just need to add the palm sdk folder to your PATH environment variable Mar 22 19:13:25 i guess i did it Mar 22 19:13:37 actually since the time i installed Mar 22 19:13:42 have been using eclipse Mar 22 19:13:46 so don't remember Mar 22 19:14:33 Look at my environment vars in Windows, I have Path set to: Mar 22 19:14:35 C:\Program Files\Palm\SDK\bin;C:\Program Files\Palm\SDK\bin\novacom Mar 22 19:15:00 I also have a PalmSDK variable. It's set to: Mar 22 19:15:01 C:\Program Files\Palm\SDK\ Mar 22 19:15:41 i have all these added Mar 22 19:16:21 as of now can u please tell me how to run ipk file through eclipse? Mar 22 19:16:33 i'll try rebooting the system Mar 22 19:16:54 hmm .. I don't know if you can Mar 22 19:17:03 ooh wait Mar 22 19:17:21 isn't the ipk just a zip file that you can open with 7zip? Mar 22 19:18:09 if so, you can use 7zip to extract the project files, import them into a project in eclipse, and use eclipse to install the app ... Mar 22 19:19:38 if the path i set correctly, palm-install should work Mar 22 19:20:03 otherwise change to the right directory and try from there (c:\program files\palm\sdk\bin) Mar 22 19:21:52 i tried from the right directory Mar 22 19:21:58 palm-generate is working there Mar 22 19:23:14 but not palm-install? Mar 22 19:23:55 i'm trying it now Mar 22 19:25:55 it's working Mar 22 19:25:58 there only Mar 22 19:26:12 maybe your PATH is set wrong or not at all Mar 22 19:26:17 i copied the ipk file in c:\program files\palm\sdk\bin Mar 22 19:26:30 maybe Mar 22 19:27:04 bt is there no wa to run ipk from eclipse Mar 22 19:27:09 ? Mar 22 19:28:16 sorry, i'm not using eclipse Mar 22 19:28:20 noaXess? Mar 22 19:28:37 hi swisstomcat, et al. Mar 22 19:28:42 hey haeffb Mar 22 19:29:19 also now after running the ipk file where can i see the source code for it? Mar 22 19:32:54 rohit1: ask noaXess_netubu .. he's using eclipse Mar 22 19:33:20 thank you swisstomcat Mar 22 19:33:55 Can u tell me where can i found the files for the app installed through the ipk file Mar 22 19:36:36 downloaded the new Opera 10.51 it seems to be the fastest browser I have Mar 22 19:38:07 rohit1: the .ipk includes source code. just need to unzip (untar?) it. Mar 22 19:43:10 i use izarc.. it doesnt unzip it Mar 22 19:44:32 it a gzipped tar Mar 22 19:44:37 7zip works Mar 22 19:44:46 ok.. let me try Mar 22 19:47:45 yeah 7zip rocks Mar 22 19:48:08 ubuntu opens ipks without any additional software :) Mar 22 19:48:17 wow nice Mar 22 19:48:24 got win7 here =( Mar 22 19:48:38 i'm very happy with it Mar 22 19:48:42 I like win7 Mar 22 19:49:13 i only have a xp virtual machine left Mar 22 19:49:37 Man .. what did we do before virtual machines? Mar 22 19:49:44 yeah Mar 22 19:50:06 win7 is nice but prefer macOS Mar 22 19:50:37 good thing the sdk is available for all platforms Mar 22 19:50:51 yeah Mar 22 19:51:23 lately have noticed some instability with Win7 Mar 22 19:51:51 thnks for the help Mar 22 19:51:53 :) Mar 22 19:52:23 no prob Mar 22 19:52:29 Speaking of the SDK ... Mar 22 19:53:04 When I have a scene with a textfield as the first widget ... How the hell do I get it to NOT be focused when the scene loads? Mar 22 19:53:29 the autoFocus attribute seems to have no effect Mar 22 19:55:25 did everyone see http://theymakeapps.com? Mar 22 19:55:31 and register hopefully Mar 22 20:02:02 wow neat site Mar 22 20:02:25 what is that site exactly? Mar 22 20:02:35 a catalog of devs? Mar 22 20:02:38 yeah Mar 22 20:02:41 for all platforms Mar 22 20:03:20 the idea is great... wonder if it's worked for anyone Mar 22 20:03:30 guess i'll find out Mar 22 20:03:46 i could just stop looking for a job and become an app developer. sounds dreamy. Mar 22 20:04:22 stc whendle went online today. is there a german-specific app catalog it should show up on? Mar 22 20:04:41 or is there just one app catalog Mar 22 20:04:54 just one Mar 22 20:04:58 app catalog Mar 22 20:05:08 i did the translation for whendle :) Mar 22 20:05:12 i see, is there a filter to just show german apps? how do german people find their stuff? Mar 22 20:05:22 and see the german screenshots Mar 22 20:05:38 it filters the app based on your palm profile Mar 22 20:06:01 ok. cuz there doesn't seem to be a german-only filter when i look at my app catalog Mar 22 20:06:27 there's a website which just shows the german-only apps Mar 22 20:07:44 sometimes i get nice emails from users that makes all the pain go away Mar 22 20:07:46 :) Mar 22 20:08:05 so how do i see this german app catalog? Mar 22 20:08:33 i'm searching for the link Mar 22 20:09:05 thx. i wanted to see the screenshots got posted right. in the english app catalog it still uses really old screenshots Mar 22 20:09:30 what's your app? Mar 22 20:10:11 ah you forget i changed nicks :P Whendle is the app Mar 22 20:10:26 dylan? Mar 22 20:10:45 ya. i notifyed in an email yesterday Mar 22 20:11:09 think i missed that Mar 22 20:11:11 did the sound image work or should i think of something else? Mar 22 20:11:28 err... the 'off' animal track Mar 22 20:12:28 somehow i didn't get that email where you announed your name-change :) Mar 22 20:13:09 it's the one that goes 'Also, I'm on #webos today as ohjens so feel free to answer in chat if you like. :)' Mar 22 20:14:00 ok, i see it now .. must have overread that :) Mar 22 20:14:15 but regardless can you see the german screenshots? Mar 22 20:14:41 i can't even change my phone to be german so i have no idea! :P Mar 22 20:14:41 hold on, i just doctored my device Mar 22 20:14:44 no ideas on the textfield issue? Mar 22 20:14:49 ok no hurry :) Mar 22 20:15:14 are you moving to germany? Mar 22 20:15:22 your name seems very german now :) Mar 22 20:15:32 haha wouldn't that be nice. Mar 22 20:15:55 it's OH JENS, what you say when jens lehman messes up again Mar 22 20:16:08 jens lehman? Mar 22 20:16:12 sounds german to me Mar 22 20:16:25 he's a famous goal keeper Mar 22 20:16:47 german screenshots are up, so is the app description Mar 22 20:16:52 just checked Mar 22 20:17:05 yahoo! thanks for looking into it Mar 22 20:17:14 about the animal images Mar 22 20:17:18 yes Mar 22 20:17:24 i'm not going to use the sound icon at all i think Mar 22 20:17:27 makes the game too easy Mar 22 20:17:33 ): Mar 22 20:17:38 if you know where a sound is and not Mar 22 20:17:46 ok. cuz it doesn't work or because the design changes Mar 22 20:18:02 nothing wrong with the image Mar 22 20:18:19 ok. design issue. i understand. Mar 22 20:18:20 you should try the app .. it's in beta since yesterday Mar 22 20:18:43 and enjoy the very cool animal track images Mar 22 20:18:45 i will admit... i am a decent developer but i don't know basic things about where beta apps are and stuff. Mar 22 20:19:04 beta apps are in the app catalog too Mar 22 20:19:27 look for animalmemory Mar 22 20:20:05 nothing comes up in search Mar 22 20:20:52 hrm Mar 22 20:21:18 do you have preware? Mar 22 20:21:50 no. Mar 22 20:22:08 that doesnt come up either Mar 22 20:22:14 is this a precentral thing? Mar 22 20:22:24 yeah, homebrew Mar 22 20:22:37 appscoop should show beta apps too Mar 22 20:22:39 i have avoided precentral Mar 22 20:22:46 this should be in the app catalog Mar 22 20:22:55 preware is from webos-internals.org Mar 22 20:23:00 ok installing that Mar 22 20:24:55 found it on appscoop. Mar 22 20:25:47 that's the older beta that still uses the sound icons tho Mar 22 20:26:02 Monroe: I know the answer but can't get to it right now. ask @ 8pm CDT Mar 22 20:26:47 ahh its cute. how do i get to all the modes? Mar 22 20:27:24 after you complete the first level, you can choose the next level (random,match images,match sounds,match tracks) Mar 22 20:27:27 we should have the app's logo embossed on the grey tiles Mar 22 20:27:53 oh i have to pass a level? Mar 22 20:29:04 i love the cow icon Mar 22 20:29:07 i've added a level selector to the first start for the next beta version Mar 22 20:29:11 whats a good way to set a timeout on an Ajax call in prototype? I am getting data from a cloud server and would like to handle a timeout situation with the call. Mar 22 20:29:46 ohjens: whendle hangs at the splash screen :( Mar 22 20:30:03 did you uninstall the pre-release one you had? Mar 22 20:30:17 i think i should Mar 22 20:30:23 i think you should too :P Mar 22 20:30:57 ohjens: i might need a new cow icon, the illustrator has not responed yet to my queries for licensing Mar 22 20:31:23 did you find this out on the webs? Mar 22 20:31:41 yeah .. and they said ok for personal use but ask for commercial .. so i did Mar 22 20:33:35 no answer tho Mar 22 20:33:37 :( Mar 22 20:33:42 because i like that cow Mar 22 20:34:00 i like that cow too Mar 22 20:34:17 we could whip something up that's original but similar Mar 22 20:35:15 Bymers: it seems we're expected to roll our own timer for that kind of functionality Mar 22 20:36:14 ohjens: that'd be cool Mar 22 20:36:58 send me what you have and give me a day or two. if you have any changes in mind, like color etc, let me know. Mar 22 20:37:56 ping roy-pre101 Mar 22 20:38:44 hello all Mar 22 20:38:56 pong Mar 22 20:39:26 ohjens: what did u use ? a timer in onCreate? Mar 22 20:41:56 i haven't done it myself but it seems that's what others are doing Mar 22 20:44:11 hey tibfib Mar 22 20:44:56 swisstomcat: hi Mar 22 20:45:09 so is the menu panel example in stylematters not a standard widget? Mar 22 20:45:21 tibfib: i added some of your suggestions to animalmemory (highlight title, level selector at startup) Mar 22 20:45:52 nice Mar 22 20:47:15 the highlight looks very nice, thanks for that Mar 22 20:47:51 is the app online? Mar 22 20:47:59 ... I mean, is the update online? Mar 22 20:48:33 not yet Mar 22 20:48:37 i'll updated it later Mar 22 20:48:43 i can send you the ipk if you want Mar 22 20:49:41 I can wait for the update Mar 22 20:51:02 allright Mar 22 20:54:29 so anyone have an answer to my menu panel question? Mar 22 20:55:20 Yoo Mar 22 20:55:36 hi Mar 22 20:55:52 I'm lookin at buyin a pre when it comes out on AT&T, and was wondering if Gmail on it has 'push' Mar 22 20:55:58 yep Mar 22 20:56:02 awesome Mar 22 20:56:24 but, be warned, the email app isn't the best for gmail. Mar 22 20:56:42 It's good, just not as good as android's Mar 22 20:56:42 oh heh Mar 22 20:56:46 Ah Mar 22 20:56:49 or iPhone's Mar 22 20:56:50 lol Mar 22 20:56:53 lol Mar 22 20:56:58 but don't let that stop you from getting a pre plus. Mar 22 20:57:05 why not i have never had issues with it? Mar 22 20:57:17 If you are a heavy gmail user, you have issues Mar 22 20:57:24 * AakashPatel is Mar 22 20:57:33 i guess i'm not a heavy gmail user :p Mar 22 20:57:34 I use google voice and have it push my SMS's to gmail Mar 22 20:57:38 so eh Mar 22 20:57:40 can't archive stuff Mar 22 20:58:00 AakashPatel: hopefully by the time it gets to AT&T we'll get a major email app update Mar 22 20:58:28 ah i never bother to clear my inbox Mar 22 20:58:32 Why not have google voice push SMS to another SMS? Mar 22 20:58:46 like your phone's number? Mar 22 20:58:52 I'm too cheap to pay for SMS Mar 22 20:58:53 >.< Mar 22 20:59:14 Hah, just to let you know... I'm making a BBM style messaging app ;) Mar 22 20:59:26 Nice Mar 22 20:59:34 * AakashPatel has a nexus one right now Mar 22 20:59:47 I'm building my phone collection Mar 22 20:59:47 oooh, nice... beautiful hardware Mar 22 20:59:48 haha. Mar 22 21:00:35 used to have an n900 Mar 22 21:00:40 but sold in >.. Mar 22 21:01:37 Tibfib: Yeah, comparing the nexus to my ADP1 makes it seem like 'wtf did i buy that thing for again?' Mar 22 21:01:48 (the ADP) Mar 22 21:02:14 Nexus one hardware > Pre Hardware... BUT webOS >>>>>>>>>> Android Mar 22 21:02:23 Oh pshhh Mar 22 21:02:27 Android is nice also Mar 22 21:02:33 >.< Mar 22 21:02:44 (says I in the #webos channel) Mar 22 21:02:45 hah Mar 22 21:03:19 Meh... I'm not a fan. Mar 22 21:04:07 is your nexus one on AT&T? Mar 22 21:04:12 Yeah Mar 22 21:04:35 You'll be fine for email... just swap out SIMs when you need a serious gmail client :) Mar 22 21:04:55 Haha Mar 22 21:05:02 Perfect solution :P Mar 22 21:05:26 do you have an iPhone also? Mar 22 21:05:30 Nah Mar 22 21:05:35 never got around to buyin that Mar 22 21:05:43 * AakashPatel prefers multitasking Mar 22 21:06:22 nice Mar 22 21:06:47 Are you a developer? Mar 22 21:06:58 Yessir Mar 22 21:07:10 nice, android? Mar 22 21:07:24 Yeah Mar 22 21:07:40 Google sent all 'top' devs free nexus's or droids Mar 22 21:07:44 gonna do webOS development? Mar 22 21:07:46 so mine should be coming this week :0 Mar 22 21:07:51 AakashPatel: whoa, nice Mar 22 21:08:18 Yeah probably gonna dev for webOS if I like it lots Mar 22 21:08:23 google has lots of money Mar 22 21:08:39 palm does have the hot apps program Mar 22 21:08:53 cheap dev phones would be great Mar 22 21:09:01 now that they have excess inventory anyway Mar 22 21:09:06 Haha Mar 22 21:09:24 Saw an article about that Mar 22 21:09:30 what was it...over a million sets? Mar 22 21:09:36 apparently Mar 22 21:09:39 they sold half of their million Mar 22 21:09:57 IIRC Mar 22 21:10:06 Any Palm employees ever come in here? Mar 22 21:10:10 yep Mar 22 21:10:19 Sweet Mar 22 21:10:21 there's at least two in here now Mar 22 21:11:19 Cool Mar 22 21:11:46 I count four ;-) Mar 22 21:12:03 hah, dang. I only know three of em Mar 22 21:12:26 oh, the other one is Jon. he uses an alias. Mar 22 21:12:43 Well the third being Adora, who isn't here Mar 22 21:13:09 Nice Mar 22 21:21:52 palm employees? here? nah. Mar 22 21:24:10 :P Mar 22 21:24:54 only the slackers from palm come here Mar 22 21:28:38 This is me calling shenanigains on my phone. Its telling me I'm getting 3/5 Evdo bars right here. I DON'T GET SERVICE HERE Mar 22 21:30:15 well hello halfhalo_T400 Mar 22 21:30:18 Or maybe I traded crap evdo for crap wifi Mar 22 21:30:26 I can live with this.... Mar 22 21:36:32 g'night Mar 22 21:48:52 halfhalo_T400: YOU DOUBT YOUR PHONE!? Mar 22 21:49:01 yes Mar 22 21:49:28 oh. k. Mar 22 21:49:39 at home my phone is usually jumping between x1 sprint and verizon roaming **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 22:48:09 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 22:54:14 2010 Mar 22 23:08:18 hi all Mar 22 23:08:35 LoneStar99 you in here? Mar 22 23:23:24 JenP: Howdy. Mar 22 23:23:40 hi roy **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 23:25:21 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 23:44:14 2010 Mar 22 23:44:50 hi JenP Mar 23 01:59:09 hello, people Mar 23 02:02:20 i brokked mah interwebs Mar 23 02:04:03 I hate when that happens Mar 23 02:05:19 got my first payment from Palm today. Mar 23 02:05:26 I don't hate when that happens Mar 23 02:05:29 nice Mar 23 02:24:10 rick-home: sorry about your hawks. Mar 23 02:27:37 on the pre for 2 weeks - i am really starting to miss my treo Mar 23 02:28:38 why? Mar 23 02:29:12 because this phone doesnt do even near half that the treo did Mar 23 02:29:19 i thought i was upgrading Mar 23 02:29:21 like... Mar 23 02:29:31 too many people are killing the ratings for some of these apps by giving them 0 stars because they get too many card error Mar 23 02:29:55 they shouldn't allow 0 star ratings Mar 23 02:29:58 vnc, card slot , read more than one format of regualr office documents Mar 23 02:30:09 sync to evolution without a cloud Mar 23 02:30:19 man the list is really long Mar 23 02:30:40 smb Mar 23 02:30:44 ftp Mar 23 02:31:02 There should be a vnc app in preware, card slot I guess, although I have my stuff on the cloud right now, and without a full editiing suite i never use the doc viewer Mar 23 02:31:14 and there are smb and ftp servers in preware Mar 23 02:31:26 yeah the doc viewer is useless if you cant edit Mar 23 02:31:44 its a doc viewer Mar 23 02:31:46 :P Mar 23 02:31:52 i havent seen the smb in preware Mar 23 02:32:03 right so ids the pdf reader Mar 23 02:32:35 cmon it should at least have treo functions this is silly Mar 23 02:34:08 .... Mar 23 02:34:14 anyone know if there is documentation about the doc viewer and exactly what formats it can read ? Mar 23 02:34:43 is there an ftp client in preware ? Mar 23 02:34:47 no Mar 23 02:34:51 not yet Mar 23 02:34:58 methinks soon in the official catalog Mar 23 02:35:12 jason is making one for internalz 1.4 Mar 23 02:35:46 i think it has a really long way to beat a treo 700p - my last phone Mar 23 02:36:01 then go back Mar 23 02:36:20 i think i might have to Mar 23 02:36:43 pretty sad that phone is what 4 years old now Mar 23 02:37:31 you cant even click on a map in google maps to get directions to it Mar 23 02:37:40 you have to type an address Mar 23 02:37:41 * haeffb_pre never edited docs on my Treo Mar 23 02:37:43 gpgp: go complain in the forums Mar 23 02:37:56 like _everyone_ else Mar 23 02:38:22 no complaints just straight forward facts Mar 23 02:38:35 then get the classic app and run all the old stuff Mar 23 02:38:41 i have classic Mar 23 02:38:46 no. you are complaining...about facts. Mar 23 02:39:07 whatever Mar 23 02:39:29 you do realize this is a whole new OS built from the ground up. it takes a while for apps to mature. Mar 23 02:39:37 whateva, whateva, ill do what i want Mar 23 02:40:04 i realize the phone has been out 9 months and is on its second release Mar 23 02:40:45 and i realize now that it doesnt do half of what a tre0 700 p did for the last 4 years Mar 23 02:41:05 i realize that is very said Mar 23 02:41:17 sad Mar 23 02:41:55 oh, well. I think you're preachin to the wrong crowd. Mar 23 02:42:06 not preaching either Mar 23 02:42:40 i came in here so folks who i thought were in the know could tell me that its going to be ok, and this will be better very soon Mar 23 02:43:22 this is a discussion about webos ? Mar 23 02:43:31 webos Development Mar 23 02:43:44 oh. if that's all you want... Mar 23 02:44:08 (as in developing apps for webOS) Mar 23 02:44:49 well its a long list good luck Mar 23 02:44:55 heh Mar 23 02:46:03 Sorry, I'm a little abrasive tonight. I generally avoid the forums because I'm tired of the complaining/venting. Mar 23 02:46:27 well man there is really a lot to complain about Mar 23 02:46:47 its pretty sad. it seems only the interface is an improvement Mar 23 02:47:03 ..... goodnight all Mar 23 02:47:04 i have been using palm for over 12 years Mar 23 02:47:38 maybe. there's also a list of things webOS can do that your Treo could never dream of Mar 23 02:48:52 so long. Mar 23 02:56:27 * halfhalo_T400 hopes he doesnt come back to just complain **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 23 02:59:57 2010