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Apr 06 03:03:13 <Bmyers> Adora: my congrats on Palm FINALLY getting rid of the lame ad agency..
Apr 06 03:04:43 <Adora> haha, thx  =]
Apr 06 03:05:53 <Kuraiou> :P
Apr 06 03:06:31 <haeffb_pre> Adora: what is policy on using images from refcode in SDK for apps?
Apr 06 03:07:23 <Adora> haeffb_pre:  you know, that sounds like a good question to ask on the forum
Apr 06 03:20:19 <BigBiff> what is the error: animatewithtimer?, and does it matter?
Apr 06 03:23:26 <BigBiff> interesting - and "theme"-"dark" no longer works in appinfo.json
Apr 06 03:23:43 <BigBiff> i'm behind the times - just got the 1.4 sdk/emu
Apr 06 03:23:45 <BigBiff> hehe
Apr 06 03:26:24 <BigBiff> new question - anyone have an app to cure a teething baby?
Apr 06 03:26:37 <BigBiff> my life = difficult
Apr 06 03:27:38 <bpadalino> com.jackdaniels.shot4shot ?
Apr 06 03:27:57 <BigBiff> goin with captain morgan
Apr 06 03:28:26 <BigBiff> for me
Apr 06 03:29:12 <bpadalino> just a little dab on those gums will pacify the baby
Apr 06 03:29:59 <jlazaroff> question: can i put an array in a cookie?
Apr 06 03:30:20 <sugardave> jlazaroff: it'll be toStringed
Apr 06 03:30:27 <sugardave> I think
Apr 06 03:30:49 <jlazaroff> sugardave: argh, so if i want actual info in a cookie i need to use a JSON object?
Apr 06 03:31:02 <jlazaroff> "actual info" as opposed to a string
Apr 06 03:31:14 <sugardave> jlazaroff: I'm not 100%, but I do just use objects in my cookies
Apr 06 03:32:23 <jlazaroff> sugardave: i'm trying to store information for multiple accounts -_- should i just use a database?
Apr 06 03:33:22 <sugardave> jlazaroff: I guess it depends on how much data per account you want to store...it might be simpler to do it in a cookie, but probably more robust in a db
Apr 06 03:34:04 <sugardave> with cookies, you could justb have an one object in it, and a different cookie name based on the user/account name
Apr 06 03:34:20 * sugardave looks at his fingers.
Apr 06 03:34:45 <jlazaroff> sugardave: but then i need some way to figure out which cookies to read... okay, database it is
Apr 06 03:35:09 <sugardave> jlazaroff: it's mucho satisfying getting the db stuff working, anyway
Apr 06 03:39:09 <haeffb_pre> s/satisfying/frustrating
Apr 06 03:39:49 <sugardave> awww, you only have to do it once
Apr 06 03:55:58 <jlazaroff> on a related note, is there any way to go through every record in a database?
Apr 06 03:56:02 <jlazaroff> (i'm using depot)
Apr 06 04:36:16 <JenP> haeffb_pre: did you finish your tweaks?
Apr 06 04:39:03 <rwhitby> Anyone know anything about periodic background processes in Mojo ?  We need to add automatic periodic saving to Save/Restore
Apr 06 04:39:28 <JenP> rwhitby: not me. but did the icons i sent work ok?
Apr 06 04:40:03 <rwhitby> JenP: You did exactly what I requested, but it didn't turn out how I hoped  it might (not your fault)
Apr 06 04:40:35 <rwhitby> the circuitry can't be seen when it's icon size, so it looses the meaning
Apr 06 04:40:49 <JenP> mmm understood i was wondering about that one
Apr 06 04:41:11 <rwhitby> (just shows that I have no graphics ability, as anyone who does would have been able to see that up front)
Apr 06 04:42:03 <JenP> not necesarily but i'll see if Josh has any free time this weekend to work on it. He's on a project now but he thinks he'll be done by sunday.
Apr 06 04:42:07 <JenP> ill let you know
Apr 06 04:48:41 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: I've been begging someone to write up something on webos101.com for background / multi-stage apps but nothing yet.
Apr 06 04:51:30 <sugardave> good evening everyone
Apr 06 04:54:00 <JenP> hi sugardave
Apr 06 04:54:20 <sugardave> hi JenP, want to see a pic of my Drupal stuff?
Apr 06 04:54:25 <JenP> yeah
Apr 06 04:54:38 <sugardave> http://twitpic.com/1dk02f
Apr 06 04:54:52 <sugardave> it's pretty simple atm
Apr 06 04:54:59 <sugardave> more reporting is being worked on
Apr 06 04:55:23 <sugardave> but the awesome is that any dev could make their app definition there and drop in the .js and have the same stuff
Apr 06 04:55:29 <JenP> looks cool!
Apr 06 04:55:40 <JenP> what does it mean?
Apr 06 04:55:56 <sugardave> well, it's basically stat tracking for your webOS apps
Apr 06 04:56:07 <JenP> ohhhh
Apr 06 04:56:12 <JenP> super cool
Apr 06 04:56:16 <sugardave> this first view is a list of unique endpoints and what version of the app is on them
Apr 06 04:56:19 <sugardave> when it was installed, etc.
Apr 06 04:56:46 <sugardave> I'm about to post for alpha testers on the dev forum
Apr 06 04:56:49 <sugardave> I need more data
Apr 06 04:56:54 <JenP> cool cool
Apr 06 04:57:30 <JenP> well i'll be happy to help where i can...
Apr 06 04:57:58 <sugardave> if you've got an app or update releasing soon, you can be a tester :D
Apr 06 04:58:29 <sugardave> I'll paste the forum post in here when I'm ready ready
Apr 06 04:58:29 <JenP> i'll be submitting a new one soon...i'll let you know when it's ready
Apr 06 04:58:33 <sugardave> cool
Apr 06 04:58:35 <JenP> cool!
Apr 06 05:00:42 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: That'd be nice to add to my apps at some point
Apr 06 05:09:01 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: you bet
Apr 06 05:15:22 <Roy-Pre101> Rick_work: Still up?
Apr 06 05:30:07 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101 and JenP: http://bit.ly/bhxNuf
Apr 06 05:30:39 <JenP> awesome thanks dave!
Apr 06 05:30:59 <sugardave> thank you!
Apr 06 05:31:13 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: so... would this require that I install drupal on my server to use it?
Apr 06 05:31:33 <sugardave> no, this would require you to use some .js I have and copy into your app
Apr 06 05:31:38 <sugardave> you'd ahve an account on my server
Apr 06 05:31:44 <sugardave> log in to see your stats, etc.
Apr 06 05:31:57 <JayCanuck> anyone know it's possible to set imageview image source via binary? I know you can with <img> tage, but not sure about ImageView widget
Apr 06 05:32:42 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: I got the captch wrong 4 times in a row. :P
Apr 06 05:32:51 <Roy-Pre101> But I finally got it right.
Apr 06 05:32:53 <sugardave> oh crap...sorry about that
Apr 06 05:34:07 <Roy-Pre101> No worries.
Apr 06 05:34:16 <Roy-Pre101> Logged in, do you want me to send you an e-mail about it? :P
Apr 06 05:34:30 <sugardave> nah, hang on a sec
Apr 06 05:35:37 <rwhitby> sugardave: so is this a system for usage tracking?
Apr 06 05:35:37 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: okay, so if you refresh you should see 2 new links in the left sidebar
Apr 06 05:36:00 <sugardave> rwhitby: yeah, it can be...still have some other stats ideas I"m working on
Apr 06 05:36:17 * rwhitby wonders about Preware usage ...
Apr 06 05:36:35 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: create a new application that matches your app id, and then go to the forums/private area
Apr 06 05:36:43 <sugardave> that's where the "API" .js is
Apr 06 05:36:46 <sugardave> rwhitby: I
Apr 06 05:36:54 <sugardave> can imagine your numbers would be huge
Apr 06 05:37:16 <rwhitby> sugardave: what information does it record?
Apr 06 05:37:22 <sugardave> I have an initial report that shows launch, install, and upgrade events
Apr 06 05:37:45 <sugardave> rwhitby: not too much, actually...appinfo, and SOME deviceInfo, plus an event string and timestamp
Apr 06 05:37:53 <noaXess> good morning.....
Apr 06 05:37:59 <sugardave> noaXess: hello
Apr 06 05:38:12 <noaXess> 1.4.1 available? right? my pre says that ;)
Apr 06 05:38:18 <noaXess> public available ;)
Apr 06 05:38:20 <rwhitby> sugardave: do you expect that apps that use this .js snippet would need to alert the user that such information was being captured?
Apr 06 05:38:39 <sugardave> rwhitby: probably so, I should add that to my information
Apr 06 05:38:54 <rwhitby> sugardave: and I guess a means to opt-out
Apr 06 05:38:56 <sugardave> and then devs would need to add a kill switch
Apr 06 05:39:01 <sugardave> yeah
Apr 06 05:39:38 <rwhitby> sugardave: oh, are you envisaging anti-piracy usage?
Apr 06 05:40:00 <Roy-Pre101> I don't think any devs so far are alerting their users they're collecting info.
Apr 06 05:40:16 <sugardave> no, I meant an opt-out, as in the dev would kill the code via some dialog presented to the user
Apr 06 05:40:40 <sugardave> rwhitby: though I do have grand plans to enable some kind of messaging capability
Apr 06 05:41:32 <sugardave> where a dev can just pick a phone that has their app and the next time it runs they can get a message...hey, you've run this app 1000 times, here's a xxxxxxx
Apr 06 05:44:14 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone use Ares a lot?
Apr 06 05:44:35 <sugardave> not I, have hardly used it
Apr 06 05:49:24 <rwhitby> sugardave: do you have the server capacity to handle popular apps?
Apr 06 05:49:59 <sugardave> well, that's a good question....it is a shared solution
Apr 06 05:50:44 <sugardave> maybe I can get a few weeks of some test numbers and see what it's going to be like
Apr 06 05:51:30 <rwhitby> hmm - I wonder how the average Preware user would react to a dialog box asking to collect usage statistics ...
Apr 06 05:54:27 <sugardave> rwhitby: well, at least they'd get the option...
Apr 06 05:54:41 <sugardave> I have
Apr 06 05:55:06 <sugardave> "unlimited" transfer and disk space, but not sure how much pipe I get under really high loads
Apr 06 05:56:26 <sugardave> there's always the "pray for phased updates/installs" method :D
Apr 06 07:45:28 <noaXess> so wasup after eastern?
Apr 06 07:45:36 <noaXess> 1.4.1 is available.. some other good news?
Apr 06 07:58:54 <rwhitby> noaXess: http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew
Apr 06 07:58:56 * rwhitby bbl
Apr 06 07:59:41 <noaXess> rwhitby: wow... all done noe?
Apr 06 07:59:43 <noaXess> now?
Apr 06 07:59:54 <rwhitby> noaXess: yes, in the testing feed now
Apr 06 08:00:07 <noaXess> cool... testing soon ;)
Apr 06 08:48:18 <willwill> Hi. How could I call other scene assistant's function?
Apr 06 08:48:56 <willwill> I'm going to fire an AJAX call, pop that scene out immediatly and when AJAX call finished add the result to the active scene
Apr 06 10:46:41 <teknolog> not very active in here...
Apr 06 10:47:59 <zomg> You've been here for 8 minutes
Apr 06 10:48:01 <zomg> :P
Apr 06 10:48:08 <zomg> well okay, 10 minutes now
Apr 06 10:50:40 <teknolog> yep
Apr 06 10:51:00 <teknolog> a lot more talk in #android :)
Apr 06 10:51:24 <zomg> This channel seems to have a lot of US people so they're probably mostly asleep =)
Apr 06 10:54:06 <teknolog> man are you smart
Apr 06 10:54:27 <teknolog> i'm in the uk, and they've sold like 2000 pres here
Apr 06 12:33:46 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: were you getting scanning hangs on Preware or Preware Alpha ?
Apr 06 12:35:17 <l_a_m> hi
Apr 06 12:35:29 <l_a_m> i try to creates an object in lib/foo.js
Apr 06 12:38:10 <l_a_m> like that : http://paste.lisp.org/display/97380
Apr 06 12:38:16 <l_a_m> does someone knows why ?
Apr 06 13:25:48 <warpdesign> hi
Apr 06 13:26:43 <warpdesign> seems like the search form is broken on the developer center
Apr 06 13:26:48 <warpdesign> can anyone confirm this ?
Apr 06 13:53:38 <l_a_m> i ve got some text like this in HTML page :
Apr 06 13:53:39 <l_a_m> \x3ctd class=\"ok\"\x3e\x3cstrong\x3e17\x3c/strong\x3e
Apr 06 13:53:46 <l_a_m> how can i decode this ?
Apr 06 14:06:10 <dthought> l_a_m: \x3c und \x3e looks like encoded < and >
Apr 06 14:06:46 <dthought> so it should be <td class="ok"><strong>17</strong>
Apr 06 14:07:57 <l_a_m> dthought: is there any function to decode ?
Apr 06 14:09:54 <dthought> l_a_m: where do you get strings like that from?
Apr 06 14:10:24 <l_a_m> in HTML page
Apr 06 14:10:26 <l_a_m> from website
Apr 06 14:11:11 <dthought> l_a_m: its std. javascript notation...
Apr 06 14:12:01 <dthought> >>> x
Apr 06 14:12:01 <dthought> "\x3ctd class=\"ok\"\x3e\x3cstrong\x3e17\x3c/strong\x3e"
Apr 06 14:12:01 <dthought> >>> eval("a='"+x+"'");
Apr 06 14:12:01 <dthought> "<td class="ok"><strong>17</strong>
Apr 06 14:12:18 <dthought> so eval would be a choice. but eval is dangerous
Apr 06 14:21:12 <sugardave_sleepi> warpdesign: looks like search is working for me
Apr 06 14:24:22 <willwill> How could I call other scene assistant's function? I'm going to fire an AJAX call, pop that scene out immediatly and when AJAX call finished add the result to the active scene.
Apr 06 14:25:50 <sugardave> pass the function as an argument, then run that argument in onSuccess
Apr 06 14:27:20 <sugardave> good morning, Adora
Apr 06 14:34:44 <willwill> thanks for the idea. working it out
Apr 06 14:36:28 <willwill> it works. thanks a lot
Apr 06 14:36:35 <sugardave> np
Apr 06 14:46:09 <Rick_work> morning
Apr 06 14:47:03 <sugardave> morning
Apr 06 14:49:19 <sugardave> Rick_work: did you see my call for testers?  I put it in the off-topic forum, not sure where to put stuff now that it's been re-vamped:  http://bit.ly/bhxNuf
Apr 06 14:49:34 <rwhitby> hey Rick_work
Apr 06 14:55:15 <Rick_work> no, I didn't.
Apr 06 14:55:34 <Rick_work> hey rwhitby -- up lare again.  The "holy grail of homebrew" post is extremely neat.
Apr 06 15:02:49 <rwhitby> Rick_work: yeah, was working on a bug in the palm feed processing for ipkg.preware.org - it now shows all the non-USA packages too.
Apr 06 15:03:13 <rwhitby> I didn't have good test cases up until recently ;-)
Apr 06 15:10:12 <BigBiff> morning
Apr 06 15:11:08 <sugardave> morning
Apr 06 15:12:35 <codeslaw_> record time
Apr 06 15:12:38 <codeslaw_> my update when live in 2 days
Apr 06 15:13:05 <sugardave> nice
Apr 06 15:14:22 <codeslaw_> makes me want to push another one
Apr 06 15:14:45 <codeslaw_> they probably still have lots of extra reviewers, from the international push
Apr 06 15:14:53 <sugardave> before you do, consider: http://bit.ly/bhxNuf
Apr 06 15:15:48 <codeslaw_> hhmmm
Apr 06 15:16:11 <codeslaw_> so its a tracking API, with webservice?
Apr 06 15:16:36 <sugardave> pretty much, yeah
Apr 06 15:17:02 <BigBiff> guys, ive got what should be a simple question for ya
Apr 06 15:17:08 <BigBiff> http://www.pastie.org/905730
Apr 06 15:21:23 <codeslaw_> BigBiff: what's the ?
Apr 06 15:21:36 <sugardave> BigBiff: are you just trying to add new items in the existing items array?
Apr 06 15:21:46 <codeslaw_> there is no array[] notation
Apr 06 15:21:50 <codeslaw_> it's either Array()
Apr 06 15:21:53 <codeslaw_> or []
Apr 06 15:22:01 <codeslaw_> new Array()
Apr 06 15:22:15 <codeslaw_> new [] is wrong
Apr 06 15:22:27 <codeslaw_> unless you are just showing us some pseudo code
Apr 06 15:22:28 <sugardave> BigBiff: you can also put new items at the end with push....so itemsArray.push(newItem);
Apr 06 15:23:03 <BigBiff> i just want this initial list to have a few items from the array
Apr 06 15:23:20 <BigBiff> i'm actually generating them randomly, but i didnt show that function
Apr 06 15:23:32 <BigBiff> so Array() is the fix
Apr 06 15:23:51 <Bmyers> anyone use adsense ads in their webos app?
Apr 06 15:24:20 <sugardave> not yet, been out of the ad game for a bit
Apr 06 15:24:48 <BigBiff> i'll give it a shot
Apr 06 15:25:34 <Bmyers> sugardave: plans for handling updates to apps and update notification?
Apr 06 15:26:34 <sugardave> it'll probably just be update notifications, dev will be able to set a message and when a new version is detected (or marked by dev), then existing devices will get a notice
Apr 06 15:26:45 <sugardave> but, that's in a while
Apr 06 15:26:58 <codeslaw_> i already kind of do that
Apr 06 15:27:06 <codeslaw_> i pull a live news feed onto the intro screen of my app
Apr 06 15:27:16 <sugardave> I need to get some more reporting options
Apr 06 15:27:18 <codeslaw_> with some JS to check the version
Apr 06 15:27:32 <codeslaw_> if they aren't the latest, it throws a link to the update page
Apr 06 15:27:39 <Bmyers> yeah i do it with mine checkin script too. and point them to the link for the update
Apr 06 15:27:52 <codeslaw_> it makes a huge difference
Apr 06 15:28:09 <sugardave> it's really simple at this point, but it's also being designed for people that don't want to implement it themselves ;)
Apr 06 15:28:21 <sugardave> crap, meeting
Apr 06 15:28:31 <BigBiff> woohoo meeting
Apr 06 15:39:17 <Rick_work> successful demo.  Just sold web-based time&attendance product upgrade!!! Yippee!!!
Apr 06 15:39:43 <sugardave> niiice
Apr 06 15:39:44 <willwill> How could I enable Location Service's getReverseLocation to work in the emulator? Currently it returns code 6 TOS not accepted
Apr 06 15:40:35 <sugardave> willwill: you have to enable the overall location services in the account prefs on the emu
Apr 06 15:41:11 <codeslaw_> Rick_work: grats
Apr 06 15:45:23 <willwill> works, thank
Apr 06 15:45:54 <sugardave> np, that's an easy one :D
Apr 06 15:47:48 <sugardave> morning, chuqui
Apr 06 15:49:42 <chuqui> morning!
Apr 06 15:49:49 <zinge> Hi all. Question: Since the addition of the splash screens while an app is loading, how do you open a dashboard app?
Apr 06 15:50:18 <zinge> When I use handleLaunch to load the dashboard with no card, it loads the dashboard scene in a card...
Apr 06 15:50:27 <sugardave> neat!
Apr 06 15:51:01 <Bmyers> do it again. i missed it
Apr 06 15:52:43 <zinge> Any ideas?
Apr 06 15:53:05 <codeslaw_> haven't messed with dashboard apps myself
Apr 06 15:53:06 <sugardave> zinge: sorry, I'm too simple to get beyond single-stage apps :D
Apr 06 15:53:25 * sugardave eyeballs haeffb_wirc and Bmyers.
Apr 06 15:53:59 <zinge> I used to be able to do it fine, and I know other apps do it (Facebook/sms/etc) so I know I'm just missing something silly.
Apr 06 15:57:06 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: It was on Preware (non alpha)
Apr 06 15:58:21 <zinge> If I already have a card opened, the dashboard works fine.
Apr 06 15:58:38 <zinge> But if I try to start the app in the dashboard without an open car, it loads the dashboard scene into a card.
Apr 06 16:03:57 <Rick_work> are you using an app controller?
Apr 06 16:04:28 <zinge> Interesting... changing from "dashboard" to "Mojo.Controller.StageType.dashboard" seems to have fixed that part of the problem.
Apr 06 16:04:37 <zinge> But it still loads the splash screen first...
Apr 06 16:04:56 <Woody4u> i have a simple question - how can i lode data from an json file to my app? with ajax.request do i need something other?
Apr 06 16:05:18 <Woody4u> a json file that i deliver with the app
Apr 06 16:05:27 <zinge> Or not.. that didn't fix it.
Apr 06 16:05:53 <zinge> I'm using app-assistant
Apr 06 16:06:45 <sugardave> Woody4u: not sure on the current sandbox settings, but you should be able to load a local file via AJAX...but if you're including it in the app anyway, why not just make the JSON object in your regular app code?
Apr 06 16:08:06 <zinge> I'm using http://webos.pastebin.com/TgAh3LpW is my AppAssistant.handleLaunch to open the dashboard when the app is launched
Apr 06 16:08:28 <Rick_work> you can read a local json object in your code.  You have to be able to, that's how the various ebook reader apps work (bible, simple big book, etc
Apr 06 16:08:57 <Rick_work> just ajax request ./jsonfiles/thatjsonfile.json
Apr 06 16:09:08 <zinge> When I run it from eclipse, it works correctly, but if I close it and launch it from the launcher (either on device or in emulator), it loads the scene in a card instead of a dashbaord
Apr 06 16:13:28 <Woody4u> thx Rick_work ill try this
Apr 06 16:16:33 <sugardave> NOOOOO, another Aggie!
Apr 06 16:18:24 <zinge> So the simplest version of the question is: How do I open a dashboard without a card?
Apr 06 16:56:35 <Bmyers> what do you think a good widget is for a ratings type input? I want users to rate my content
Apr 06 16:56:49 <zinge> After spending an hour reading through palm developer forum threads, its a known bug and there's no way around it for now without opening a card first. Great....
Apr 06 16:57:44 <sugardave> stars are good
Apr 06 16:58:37 <Bmyers> zinge: have u tried: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1572&Itemid=19
Apr 06 16:59:07 <Bmyers> sugardave: would that be a JS img thing or a reskinned mojo widget ya think?
Apr 06 16:59:51 <sugardave> Bmyers: oh, I see....hmm.  I bet there's some fancy js out there to use for that
Apr 06 17:00:15 <sugardave> integrate it with a Drupal ratings module ;)
Apr 06 17:00:31 <sugardave> time for naplunch, bbl
Apr 06 17:00:33 <Bmyers> drupel smchoopel.. were talking mojo here buddy..
Apr 06 17:00:48 <Bmyers> thx sugardave: pleasent nappy time 2 u
Apr 06 17:01:05 <zinge> Bmyers: I know how to topen a dashboard; but since 1.4, opening an app from the launcher icon forces it to display a splash screen, which forces a card view for the first scene opened, even if that first scene is a dashbaord.
Apr 06 17:01:28 <zinge> Aside from opening a "splash screen" type card, which then closes when the dashboard is open, there doesn't seem ot be a way around it.
Apr 06 17:02:07 <Bmyers> lemme try it with my app
Apr 06 17:02:17 <zinge> And since the point of opening straight to dashboard was to avoid the splash screen and avoid having anything pop up, even immediately closing the card is a problem.
Apr 06 17:02:42 <zinge> Because its not immediate, and even when it is, it still flashes a fullscreen card instead of just pooping up a dashboard icon.
Apr 06 17:04:08 <zinge> I'm assuming that facebook can do it with notifications because it is being called from an alarm, not the launcher. That doesn't help me though, because even if my launcher icon just sets an alarm that goes off immediately, it has to open the splash screen/card view to set that alarm.
Apr 06 17:06:55 <Rick_work> you have to have a scene _once_ per reset I think.
Apr 06 17:07:24 <JenP> hi all
Apr 06 17:07:28 <Rick_work> in other words, your app needs to have run to set the alarm.
Apr 06 17:07:30 <Rick_work> Hi JenP
Apr 06 17:07:40 <JenP> morning rick
Apr 06 17:07:47 <Rick_work> there is a way to turn off what you're calling the splash screen.
Apr 06 17:07:59 <Rick_work> which I can't remember.
Apr 06 17:08:45 <zinge> The only thing I could find is how to set your own images for it
Apr 06 17:08:57 <Rick_work> Ahhh...  zinge -- are you doing a banner notification?
Apr 06 17:09:06 <Rick_work> or are you launching the dashbord directly?
Apr 06 17:09:07 <zinge> Yea.
Apr 06 17:09:16 <zinge> Uhh... either one?
Apr 06 17:09:19 <Bmyers> anyone know off the top of their head the builtin prototype version?
Apr 06 17:09:34 <zinge> What do you mean?
Apr 06 17:10:45 <Bmyers> haeffb_pre know off the top of your head the builtin prototype version?
Apr 06 17:10:45 <zinge> If I have th app-assistant launch the dashboard without a card, it opens the dashboard in a card. If I have the app-assistant just send a banner notification without opening a dashboard, it opens the splash screen and just keeps it there forever until it is swiped away
Apr 06 17:11:05 <haeffb_pre> no idea
Apr 06 17:11:07 <Rick_work> zinge, are you doing Mojo.Controller.getAppController().showBanner  and then have the on-tap of that push your daskboard?
Apr 06 17:11:13 <zinge> Nope
Apr 06 17:11:34 <Rick_work> ok, because the splash screene never goes away?
Apr 06 17:11:42 <zinge> Correct.
Apr 06 17:11:54 <Rick_work> ok, hang tough here for a moment.
Apr 06 17:12:01 <zinge> Well, for one app. The other I just want to include an option to open straight to dashboard
Apr 06 17:13:02 <zinge> For the one that has the never-ending splash screen, I don't even care about opening the dashboard. I'm calling showBanner in the app-assistant, and if it doesn't get tapped, the app shold just close
Apr 06 17:13:05 * haeffb_pre is in a survey workshop the rest of the day
Apr 06 17:13:28 <Bmyers> haeffb_pre: goofing off in other words?
Apr 06 17:13:44 <haeffb_pre> learnin'
Apr 06 17:14:50 <Rick_work> zinge, thought number one... create a card stage that is intentionally blank or contains "My App is setting up, just a moment" and then, closes the card and launches the banner.   so, it flashes a card for a fraction of a second.
Apr 06 17:16:12 <zinge> Yeah, I tried that. It works, but its not great. On the actual phone (instead of just the emulator), its still not immediate, and it flashes full screen. That's why I was trying to open the dashboard, so I could just have it flash the dashboard icon instead of flashing the whole screen.
Apr 06 17:17:15 <zinge> It's very annoying that it actually works fine, just not from the launcher icon... if you run the app from CLI (by installing it or something), it works correctly.
Apr 06 17:17:42 <zinge> But the launcher forces the splash screen, and the splash screen forces card view on the first open scene so that it can do a pretty transition.
Apr 06 17:18:29 <zinge> So I can't open an app directly to the dashboard without a splash screen and flashing the whole screen some color because Palm was trying to make pretty transitions.
Apr 06 17:19:12 <Rick_work> The "loading icon" is not a splash screen.
Apr 06 17:19:15 <zinge> If I could even just have the splash screen close itself while in mimized card mode, it wouldnt be so bad.
Apr 06 17:19:16 <zinge> Sorry
Apr 06 17:19:19 <zinge> Loading screen.
Apr 06 17:19:21 <Rick_work> and that was confusing me for a moment....
Apr 06 17:19:21 <zinge> you are correct.
Apr 06 17:19:34 <Rick_work> there is a way to suppress the loading icon
Apr 06 17:19:42 <Rick_work> gimme a minute, then you could use the banner thing
Apr 06 17:19:46 <zinge> I was avoiding saying "loading screen" because I have my own loading screen in one of my apps.
Apr 06 17:21:43 <willwill> what's the default stage's name?
Apr 06 17:23:41 <JenP> willwill: everything is built through index.html (acts like a shell waiting for stuff). Stage-assistant.js is the first js loaded
Apr 06 17:24:45 <willwill> I received appassistant's handleLaunch from a notification, and I want to pass it to the stage so I need to know it name.
Apr 06 17:28:35 <Rick_work> willwill your app only have one stage?
Apr 06 17:28:49 <willwill> currently, yes but I plan to have 2
Apr 06 17:29:29 <Rick_work> and you're in the app controller, and you need the active stage controller?
Apr 06 17:30:04 <willwill> I want a specific stage controller as sometime the user might focus at compose screen
Apr 06 17:32:33 <Rick_work> mojo.controller.appcontroller.getactivestagecontroller
Apr 06 17:33:28 <Rick_work> you can specify a type as well, so you get the card stage, not the dashboard stage
Apr 06 17:34:19 <Rick_work> that's what you need willwill
Apr 06 17:34:25 <willwill> thanks
Apr 06 17:34:34 <halfhalo_T400> My dog has a very fluffy tail....
Apr 06 17:34:58 <Rick_work> my whole dog is very fluffy.
Apr 06 17:35:14 <halfhalo_T400> Mine isn't anymore
Apr 06 17:35:50 <halfhalo_T400> He got shaved since he is alsays running aroung in the canyon near my house
Apr 06 17:36:02 <zinge> I don't have a dog :-(
Apr 06 17:36:11 <halfhalo_T400> But before that, he was full golden
Apr 06 17:36:28 <zinge> Rick_work: Were you able to find anything on suppressing the loading screen?
Apr 06 17:38:01 <Rick_work> no,  I know I've seen it but chuqui's breaking//////// reorganization of the forums broke my bookmark.
Apr 06 17:38:32 <chuqui> oops
Apr 06 17:38:34 <chuqui> (ducking)
Apr 06 17:39:49 <zinge> Lol. I was searching through the forums forever, and the only thing I was able to find was how to change the loading icon, but not how to supress it entirely.
Apr 06 17:39:50 <Rick_work> chuqui the forums NEEDED reorganizing.  I did not try to disuade you.
Apr 06 17:40:26 <zinge> But I also don't have access the the beta/earlyaccess/whatever-they're-called section, so maybe there was a post in there.
Apr 06 17:40:58 <chuqui> they seem to be working better, too. but I prefer no breakage.
Apr 06 17:41:12 <halfhalo_T400> But breaking stuff is fun!
Apr 06 17:41:13 <zinge> I'm not an "official" developer, 'cause at the moment I don't have a business, and the form was asking for a business tax id.
Apr 06 17:41:23 <zinge> halfhalo_T400: Especially if you use fire!
Apr 06 17:41:32 <halfhalo_T400> Yeah...
Apr 06 17:41:47 * halfhalo_T400 goes to play with his sodering iron that doubles as a torch
Apr 06 17:41:55 <Rick_work> zinge  sole proprietors use their ssn for the business tax id.
Apr 06 17:42:05 <Rick_work> unless you're not in the us.
Apr 06 17:42:13 <zinge> Nope, I'm in the U.S.
Apr 06 17:42:17 <Rick_work> in which case, you would use whatever your national tax id is.
Apr 06 17:43:49 <zinge> What do I have to do to set up a sole proprietorship/how much does it cost? I'm assuming there is still some kind of application/registration process?
Apr 06 17:44:35 <halfhalo_T400> I have to rework my apps use of Mojo Depot
Apr 06 17:45:30 <halfhalo_T400> to make it faster, and to change what gets stored in the two Depots I'm using
Apr 06 17:45:30 <Rick_work> why would you use depot at all?  Ick ick ick
Apr 06 17:46:10 <halfhalo_T400> Because its miles faster to initially load the data from depot then call a background function to update it
Apr 06 17:46:56 <haeffb_pre> SQLite
Apr 06 17:47:20 <halfhalo_T400> You are understimating my level of lazyness right now
Apr 06 17:47:42 <Rick_work> first tuesday in April.  Today is "Fountain Day"  It's the day that all the fountains in the Kansas City are turned on.
Apr 06 17:48:17 <Rick_work> halfhalo_T400  but sql isn't harder, and is substantially faster.
Apr 06 17:48:26 <halfhalo_T400> LAZYNESS
Apr 06 17:48:27 <Rick_work> How much data?
Apr 06 17:49:06 <halfhalo_T400> And trust me, I know SQL is faster.  tis what i use in my day job
Apr 06 17:49:13 <halfhalo_T400> well, for now
Apr 06 17:49:21 <halfhalo_T400> Gonna have to learn nosql crap soon
Apr 06 17:49:32 <zinge> Hey chuqui, since you reorganized the forums and all... any idea where the thread about possibly suppressing the loading screen might be? O:-)
Apr 06 17:49:33 <Rick_work> about how much data???
Apr 06 17:50:08 <halfhalo_T400> The data depends on the user, and each DB would have two different types of entries
Apr 06 17:50:28 <chuqui> zinge -- um... no.
Apr 06 17:50:37 <Rick_work> about how much data,  tens of K ?  Hundreds of K ?
Apr 06 17:50:46 <zinge> chuqui: I figured
Apr 06 17:50:57 <halfhalo_T400> both json objects, but one is relatively small, as in under 50 lines per entry
Apr 06 17:51:01 <zinge> chuqui: Just making conversation, mostly.
Apr 06 17:51:25 <Rick_work> zinge, the technical term used for that is the "startup card" from the 1.4 release notes.
Apr 06 17:51:37 <halfhalo_T400> And the other entry is basically a custom json that contains most of this: http://steamcommunity.com/id/halfhalo?xml=yes
Apr 06 17:51:54 <zinge> Rick_work: okay, thanks.
Apr 06 17:52:23 <halfhalo_T400> And sweeet.  Ze groups have a custom ID which makes my life alot easier
Apr 06 17:53:23 <halfhalo_T400> soo... anyone like the hp slate?
Apr 06 17:53:25 <chuqui> yeah. sorry.
Apr 06 17:53:34 <chuqui> I don't have the entire forum memorized. I suck..
Apr 06 17:53:43 * halfhalo_T400 pats chuqui on the back
Apr 06 17:54:08 <zinge> chuqui: It's ok... we still like you anyway.
Apr 06 17:54:46 <chuqui> thanks! (wags tail...)
Apr 06 17:55:27 <Rick_work> halfhalo_T400  no one has SEEN an HP slate.
Apr 06 17:55:44 <halfhalo_T400> yeah, but purported specs are out and about
Apr 06 18:05:13 <zinge> Oh well. Time for class. Thanks for the help Rick_work & Bmyers
Apr 06 18:11:58 <haeffb_pre> zzzzzz....
Apr 06 18:12:06 <halfhalo_T400> zing?
Apr 06 18:13:12 <haeffb_pre> snoozer presentation
Apr 06 18:13:19 <halfhalo_T400> ah
Apr 06 18:14:29 <swisstomcat> evening
Apr 06 18:15:22 <halfhalo_T400> murning
Apr 06 18:15:49 <willwill> Thanks everyone, good night :)
Apr 06 18:22:27 <Monroe> good afternoon
Apr 06 18:22:42 <halfhalo_T400> murnin
Apr 06 18:23:37 <Monroe> I shoulda paid attention in calculus
Apr 06 18:25:53 <Monroe> I'm trying to come up with an algorithm for setting a delay based on distance from a point and current velocity ... i.e. if i'm 5 miles from the point and moving slow, then wait awhile to update my position. If I'm 5 miles away and moving fast, then update my position sooner. etc.
Apr 06 18:26:09 <Monroe> There has to be a formula I can come up with ...
Apr 06 18:26:31 <halfhalo_T400> Don't look at me, I have to retake calc this summer
Apr 06 18:26:35 <Bmyers> have u done a google search for "7th grade math" ?
Apr 06 18:26:37 <Monroe> hehe
Apr 06 18:26:40 <Bmyers> :)
Apr 06 18:26:55 <Bmyers> just kidding Monroe..
Apr 06 18:27:07 <Monroe> :)
Apr 06 18:27:36 <Monroe> Google has not been my friend ... and don't worry about offending me. I feel quite stupid on my own for not being able to figure this out
Apr 06 18:27:53 <Monroe> It should be relatively easy
Apr 06 18:28:29 <pandora--> can we move palm dev days to this thursday? i'm going to be up in sunnyvale then anyways
Apr 06 18:28:31 <pandora--> kthx!
Apr 06 18:30:54 <swisstomcat> probably too late for that, pandora
Apr 06 18:31:26 * swisstomcat is excited to be able to go to the dev days and meet many people
Apr 06 18:37:19 * codeslaw_ is sad he can't go, but happy he'll be in europe instead
Apr 06 18:38:06 <codeslaw_> monroe
Apr 06 18:38:24 <Monroe> one sec .. client on the phone
Apr 06 18:41:44 <codeslaw_> what is your desired update rate?  update once every mile moved?
Apr 06 18:42:36 <swisstomcat> hey codeslaw
Apr 06 18:42:41 <swisstomcat> going to europe?
Apr 06 18:42:58 <Monroe> ok I'm off the phone
Apr 06 18:43:59 <Monroe> codeslaw: I'm looking for something more complex, were as I get closer and closer to the destination, the updates occure more and more frequently.
Apr 06 18:45:00 <haeffb_pre> not sure if current velocity should be part of the calc...
Apr 06 18:45:45 <gggritso> Hey guys, I have a UI question. Is there some way to prevent the Enter key from tabbing between textfields?
Apr 06 18:45:55 <Monroe> But "closer" is a relative term. If I'm a mile from my destination and on the highway (moving 60mph), then I'm close and updates should happen frequently so I don't miss it. But, if I'm a mile away and on foot (moving 2mph), then I don't need to update so soon cause it's going to be awhile before I get there ...
Apr 06 18:46:47 <haeffb_pre> unless you jump in the car and change velocity...
Apr 06 18:46:52 <Monroe> right
Apr 06 18:47:29 <Monroe> I definately need to impose a "maxwaittime" to account for such a situation (like if it polls while I'm stopped at a traffic light)
Apr 06 18:47:32 <haeffb_pre> but if you base it on footspeed, you may arrive before the next update
Apr 06 18:47:39 <codeslaw_> you need to decide if updates happen based on velocity, or proximity
Apr 06 18:48:03 <haeffb_pre> I would suggest a max vel would be better
Apr 06 18:48:04 <Monroe> I'm saying it should be a combination of the two
Apr 06 18:48:53 <codeslaw_> well your velocity requirements change based on proximity
Apr 06 18:48:54 <codeslaw_> or
Apr 06 18:49:02 <codeslaw_> your proximity requirements change based on velocity
Apr 06 18:49:08 <Monroe> ah
Apr 06 18:49:46 <Monroe> I think proximity requirements change based on velocity
Apr 06 18:50:07 <haeffb_pre> I am Superman. I can drasticly change my velocity at a moments notice
Apr 06 18:50:34 <Monroe> haeffb:  if (velocity > 120) { this.OhShit("!");}
Apr 06 18:50:35 <Monroe> :)
Apr 06 18:51:02 <codeslaw_> ok, so you make a linear (or exp, or log) relation between the distance (proximity) and the frequency of updates
Apr 06 18:51:03 <codeslaw_> so
Apr 06 18:51:07 <codeslaw_> for example
Apr 06 18:51:16 <codeslaw_> at 100 miles away, you update each 10 miles
Apr 06 18:51:22 <codeslaw_> and at 10 miles away
Apr 06 18:51:23 <Monroe> Basically, this is a background app, so I'm trying to make the polling as efficient as possible, so as to save battery
Apr 06 18:51:25 <codeslaw_> you update every 1 mile
Apr 06 18:51:42 <Monroe> yeah something like that
Apr 06 18:51:58 <codeslaw_> so that's a linear correlation of 10 to 1
Apr 06 18:52:31 <codeslaw_> so then, each time you poll, you use their current velocity to approximate the time at which they will reach the next update point
Apr 06 18:52:55 <codeslaw_> so they are going 60 mph and they are 100 miles away at the first poll
Apr 06 18:53:13 <codeslaw_> you know 10 miles will be in 10 minutes
Apr 06 18:53:30 <Monroe> This is what I was doing when I decided that there has to be a forumula I can use to get the time for the next update:
Apr 06 18:53:40 <Monroe> err
Apr 06 18:53:41 <Monroe> crap
Apr 06 18:53:44 <Monroe> Stupid meetings
Apr 06 18:54:05 <Monroe> Why does my real job have to get in the way of my webOS development? :)
Apr 06 18:54:07 <codeslaw_> then at 90 miles away going 60, you know that they will be there 9/60 * f(d)
Apr 06 18:54:11 <swisstomcat> hehe
Apr 06 18:54:14 <swisstomcat> same here
Apr 06 18:54:16 <codeslaw_> where if is your correlation functoin, and d is your current distance
Apr 06 18:54:22 <codeslaw_> where f()
Apr 06 18:54:24 <codeslaw_> not if
Apr 06 18:54:29 <Monroe> :)
Apr 06 18:54:42 <Monroe> seems reasonable codeslaw ...
Apr 06 18:54:54 <codeslaw_> hit me up later if you need more help
Apr 06 18:55:02 <Monroe> thanks
Apr 06 18:55:03 <codeslaw_> or if something i said doesnt make sense
Apr 06 18:55:11 <codeslaw_> i like math
Apr 06 18:56:11 <swisstomcat> going to europe, codeslaw?
Apr 06 18:56:15 <Woody4u> hi - is there a simple solution to add new items to an list widget - i load some data from an json file and want to add this this items to a list
Apr 06 18:56:27 <swisstomcat> hi woody4u
Apr 06 18:56:51 <pandora--> woot europe is cool
Apr 06 18:57:11 <swisstomcat> woody4u: you'd probably use noticeUpdatedItems
Apr 06 19:00:03 <Woody4u> problem i use ares and i dont have a ref to the model or the list widget
Apr 06 19:00:43 <swisstomcat> oh
Apr 06 19:00:52 <swisstomcat> you don't see the lists model in ares?
Apr 06 19:02:52 <codeslaw_> swisstomcat: ya vacation with my girlfriend
Apr 06 19:03:04 <swisstomcat> going to switzerland?
Apr 06 19:03:10 <codeslaw_> not this time =(
Apr 06 19:03:11 <swisstomcat> you should :)
Apr 06 19:03:25 <codeslaw_> my parents went there in october
Apr 06 19:03:32 <codeslaw_> said it was amazing
Apr 06 19:03:41 <swisstomcat> come visit me next time
Apr 06 19:03:51 <codeslaw_> will do
Apr 06 19:04:26 <swisstomcat> where are you going?
Apr 06 19:04:29 <swisstomcat> paris?
Apr 06 19:04:37 <codeslaw_> edinburgh, paris, barcelona
Apr 06 19:04:45 <pandora--> badasssss
Apr 06 19:04:47 <swisstomcat> nice
Apr 06 19:04:51 <swisstomcat> barcelona is very cool
Apr 06 19:04:52 <pandora--> I love edinburgh
Apr 06 19:05:02 <codeslaw_> what's good to do there? we have 3 days there
Apr 06 19:05:21 <swisstomcat> if you like architecture you can look at all the gaudi buildings
Apr 06 19:05:23 <codeslaw_> my girlfriend used to live in barcelona, she has a bunch of stuff planned
Apr 06 19:05:33 <swisstomcat> then you're all set i think
Apr 06 19:05:54 <pandora--> plenty to do all around princess street in edinburgh. and the castle is sitting right there the whole time, well worth a walk up to it from the downtown area
Apr 06 19:06:01 <swisstomcat> i'm sure paris is nice too, never been there tho
Apr 06 19:06:22 <codeslaw_> cool
Apr 06 19:06:26 <swisstomcat> been to edinburgh but i only remember the weather :)
Apr 06 19:06:33 <codeslaw_> rainy?
Apr 06 19:06:45 <swisstomcat> 1 minute sun, next minute rain, next minute wind
Apr 06 19:06:53 <pandora--> codeslaw: honestly, I'd recommend being an ubertourist for 2 hours and take the bus tour. it's like 6-10 pounds, and you get to see allllll kinds of stuff, and you can later decide from that where you want to explore more :)
Apr 06 19:07:17 <codeslaw_> pandora--: in edinburgh?
Apr 06 19:07:26 <codeslaw_> swisstomcat: sounds like texas
Apr 06 19:07:27 <pandora--> codeslaw: the buses leave right of of princess st. (you can't miss it)
Apr 06 19:07:31 <pandora--> codeslaw: yeah edinburgh
Apr 06 19:07:37 <codeslaw_> we'll be in a hostel 5 minutes from the castle
Apr 06 19:07:42 <swisstomcat> i don't remember texas being that way tho
Apr 06 19:07:44 <pandora--> sweeeeeeeeeet :)
Apr 06 19:07:51 <swisstomcat> i've only seen sun in texas
Apr 06 19:08:02 <codeslaw_> depends if it's drought season
Apr 06 19:08:13 <codeslaw_> right now, it's raining across the street, and sunny behind me
Apr 06 19:08:16 <swisstomcat> austin is really cool
Apr 06 19:08:29 <swisstomcat> loved the street with all the music bars
Apr 06 19:08:29 <codeslaw_> i'm in austin!
Apr 06 19:08:32 <codeslaw_> 6th street
Apr 06 19:08:33 <swisstomcat> oh really
Apr 06 19:08:49 <Woody4u> i will go to Berlin on Thursday
Apr 06 19:08:56 <swisstomcat> the capitol building is nice too
Apr 06 19:09:12 <codeslaw_> i work 6 blocks down from the capitol, on congress street
Apr 06 19:09:32 <swisstomcat> the only thing i didn't like about texas is that's just too damn big to drive through
Apr 06 19:09:49 <codeslaw_> haha ya
Apr 06 19:09:50 <swisstomcat> it took me ages to get to new orleans
Apr 06 19:10:04 <codeslaw_> ya, it's as big as most countries
Apr 06 19:10:14 <codeslaw_> ridiculous
Apr 06 19:10:16 <swisstomcat> houston was good too
Apr 06 19:10:17 <pandora--> Woody4u: nice! biz or pleasure?
Apr 06 19:10:25 <Woody4u> both
Apr 06 19:10:26 <swisstomcat> and the island right there
Apr 06 19:10:30 <codeslaw_> ya
Apr 06 19:10:38 <pandora--> Woody4u: perfect, expense account ftw
Apr 06 19:10:40 <swisstomcat> what is it called again?
Apr 06 19:11:00 <swisstomcat> had a camping place right at the seafront
Apr 06 19:11:13 <Woody4u> pandora--, berlin is just a trainride of about 1:15h from here
Apr 06 19:11:21 <pandora--> where's here?
Apr 06 19:11:46 <codeslaw_> galveston?
Apr 06 19:11:59 <swisstomcat> probably
Apr 06 19:12:04 <pandora--> Woody4u: lucky man. it's about 13 hour flight from here
Apr 06 19:12:05 <swisstomcat> woody4u is german?
Apr 06 19:12:07 <Woody4u> magdeburg, germany
Apr 06 19:12:16 <swisstomcat> hallo aus der schweiz :)
Apr 06 19:12:32 <Woody4u> schickes hallöle zurück
Apr 06 19:13:02 <codeslaw_> my IRC client is complaining about your german encodings!
Apr 06 19:14:15 <Woody4u> my client is fine with my encoding :p
Apr 06 19:14:16 <swisstomcat> i only see hall?le
Apr 06 19:35:06 <Woody4u> i HATE this - i forgot to add the scroller
Apr 06 19:35:07 <Kuraiou> bahhh
Apr 06 19:35:13 <Kuraiou> march reports are in and my numbers are lower than I thought they were
Apr 06 19:35:15 <Kuraiou> by like a lot
Apr 06 19:35:27 <Kuraiou> I need to buckle down and focus more on webOS :|
Apr 06 19:37:23 <swisstomcat> what's your app?
Apr 06 19:39:05 <sugardave> well, I'm pretty sure I have $100 + from Feb/March (I didn't get paid in Feb), but no payment this month, either
Apr 06 19:50:28 <BigBiff_> ok, starting my first filterlist
Apr 06 19:50:39 <BigBiff_> not sure what 'offset' refers to
Apr 06 19:52:39 <haeffb> I believe it's offset from beginning of list to the index of the current request.
Apr 06 19:53:55 <haeffb> maybe.
Apr 06 20:21:32 <swisstomcat> g'night everyone
Apr 06 20:21:51 <halfhalo_T400> night
Apr 06 20:24:28 <Monroe> codeslaw?
Apr 06 20:27:07 <AtomicPlayboy> Ping
Apr 06 20:27:16 <halfhalo> ?
Apr 06 20:27:16 <Monroe> Png
Apr 06 20:27:20 <Monroe> err Pong
Apr 06 20:27:27 <AtomicPlayboy> chuqui is not in?
Apr 06 20:27:35 <sugardave> BMP
Apr 06 20:27:37 <Kuraiou> hyong
Apr 06 20:27:47 <AtomicPlayboy> I'll take that as a "no."
Apr 06 20:27:49 <sugardave> chuqui quit 20 minutes ago
Apr 06 20:28:13 <Monroe> hehe I was waiting for that sugardave
Apr 06 20:28:33 <sugardave> sometimes I am on the ball
Apr 06 20:28:59 <AtomicPlayboy> D'oh.
Apr 06 20:29:43 <AtomicPlayboy> Anybody use the Pre (SPT) wifi on a WPA2-PEAP network with MSCHAPv2 auth?
Apr 06 20:29:58 <sugardave> that's pretty specific...no :D
Apr 06 20:30:01 <halfhalo> AtomicPlayboy: says you need another cert, right?
Apr 06 20:30:10 <AtomicPlayboy> No, it just says "authentication failed."
Apr 06 20:30:13 <AtomicPlayboy> No error.
Apr 06 20:30:19 <halfhalo> hmm
Apr 06 20:30:25 <halfhalo> thats a change of pace
Apr 06 20:30:27 <AtomicPlayboy> The only way I know why it won't connect is because I read the logs using a terminal.
Apr 06 20:30:48 <AtomicPlayboy> It defaults to EAP-TTLS authentication, and doesn't retry with any other method.
Apr 06 20:30:51 <halfhalo> Usually its due to it not liking self signed certs
Apr 06 20:30:59 <AtomicPlayboy> No, it doesn't care about the cert.
Apr 06 20:31:09 <halfhalo> lucky sob
Apr 06 20:31:24 <AtomicPlayboy> My work network doesn't support TTLS, it pushes PEAP/MSCHAP.
Apr 06 20:31:35 <halfhalo> heh
Apr 06 20:31:51 <AtomicPlayboy> But there's no option in the wifi preference pane to specify what kind of auth option you want. "Enterprise" doesn't cut it.
Apr 06 20:32:04 <halfhalo> yeah
Apr 06 20:32:39 <AtomicPlayboy> Is there a site for submitting bug reports? I want to see if there's already one out there, and if not, I want to create it.
Apr 06 20:32:46 <AtomicPlayboy> Or maybe a UI suggestion box or something.
Apr 06 20:32:55 <sugardave> developer.palm.com
Apr 06 20:33:02 <halfhalo> ^^ what he said
Apr 06 20:33:06 <AtomicPlayboy> So, forumes.
Apr 06 20:33:08 <AtomicPlayboy> forums
Apr 06 20:33:09 <sugardave> yep
Apr 06 20:33:52 <AtomicPlayboy> Not finding anything.
Apr 06 20:34:16 <sugardave> post it up and cross your fingers
Apr 06 20:37:46 <AtomicPlayboy> My workaround is creating a config with my specific network settings and restarting wpa_supplicant using that config file. It connects, gets an IP, etc., but the UI doesn't update because the WiFi service isn't aware of the changes I made on the backend. And, it gets reset every time I restart the wifi service.
Apr 06 20:47:52 <noaXess_pre> hi al
Apr 06 20:49:00 <halfhalo> hola
Apr 06 20:49:00 <noaXess_pre> all
Apr 06 20:49:03 <halfhalo> oh my god
Apr 06 20:49:06 <halfhalo> OH MY GOD
Apr 06 20:49:09 <noaXess_pre> how big is the gz of palm-catalog? it takes really long to download it in preware
Apr 06 20:49:16 <halfhalo> WHY DID I KNOW KNOW THIS BEFORE?!?
Apr 06 20:49:42 <noaXess_pre> what?
Apr 06 20:50:08 <halfhalo> That the aptana JS editor in eclipse properly sees prototype/ajax stuff
Apr 06 20:50:15 <halfhalo> which means I can minimize functions again
Apr 06 20:50:16 <halfhalo> !!!
Apr 06 20:52:08 <Monroe> I like how you can type "proto" and hit enter and i'll insert: Classname.prototype.method_name = function(args) {}
Apr 06 20:52:47 <Monroe> err .. it'll insert, not I'll insert ... don't type that and then expect me to show up at your door to write some code for you :)
Apr 06 20:54:08 <joetweeply> are there any known muses for programmers?
Apr 06 20:58:34 <pandora--> coffee
Apr 06 20:58:35 <noaXess_pre> just read information on developer.palm.com
Apr 06 20:58:35 <noaXess_pre> basics, javascript and html
Apr 06 20:59:07 <joetweeply> no problem with the languages... i kinda miss the last straw of the puzzle
Apr 06 20:59:54 <Monroe> Coffee is one heck of a muse ... Especially for folks like me who have a real job and 19 month old to deal with all day, and have to do most of our webOS dev work at night after everyone else has gone to bed ...
Apr 06 21:00:28 <joetweeply> yeah.. work at night is the only resort i could work in peace on my pre apps
Apr 06 21:00:41 <joetweeply> yet i miss a muse to kick me to the last piece of the puzzle
Apr 06 21:00:56 <Monroe> yeah ...
Apr 06 21:01:20 <Monroe> I've gottent to the hard part of my current app, and suddenly I'm much less motivated to work on it every night
Apr 06 21:01:40 <joetweeply> yeah... that means you are not certain where it should lead you
Apr 06 21:01:45 <joetweeply> means you need more specification
Apr 06 21:02:07 <Monroe> Well, that's probably true
Apr 06 21:02:40 <Monroe> But I tell myself it's cause there's no easy stuff left to do and if I start now, I won't be able to get to a good stopping point before I have to go to bed
Apr 06 21:02:42 <Monroe> :)
Apr 06 21:02:59 <joetweeply> hehe yeah.. this point really sucks
Apr 06 21:03:42 <Monroe> OK, time to shove off, got to get home and get the grass cut before LOST!!!
Apr 06 21:03:44 <pandora--> Monroe: those nights are the nights when i make some coffee and throw on some headphones, and plan on not going to bed before 3-4am
Apr 06 21:04:19 <joetweeply> have fun Monroe ... mowing the lawn kinda relaxes me
Apr 06 21:04:21 <Monroe> pandora ... I'd do that, but I have a 19 month old, which means I'm getting up at 7:30AM, no matter what time I go to bed :)
Apr 06 21:04:51 <Monroe> This weekend though I did stay up till 2am both nights working on my app
Apr 06 21:05:25 <Monroe> hmm .. cutting the grass relaxes you eh? Feel free to come over and cut mine any time. I hate it!
Apr 06 21:05:45 <joetweeply> hehe
Apr 06 21:05:56 <pandora--> ah
Apr 06 21:06:09 <Monroe> ok
Apr 06 21:06:11 <pandora--> Monroe: i just have cats. they don't mind :)
Apr 06 21:06:13 <Monroe> I'm out
Apr 06 21:06:20 <joetweeply> have fun
Apr 06 21:06:21 <Monroe> hehe
Apr 06 21:06:24 <Monroe> laterz all
Apr 06 21:06:31 <joetweeply> cat's? boy i can't stand these things
Apr 06 21:06:33 <pandora--> joetweeply: i HATE mowing lawns
Apr 06 21:06:45 <pandora--> or any yardwork
Apr 06 21:06:46 <Monroe> dawm suck
Apr 06 21:06:50 <Monroe> sucks
Apr 06 21:06:55 <Monroe> j/k Dawm :)
Apr 06 21:07:00 <pandora--> this is why i bought a condo
Apr 06 21:07:04 <pandora--> no lawns!
Apr 06 21:07:14 <joetweeply> well... my girl wanted a house... so a house we got
Apr 06 21:07:20 <joetweeply> with yard and all
Apr 06 21:07:25 <pandora--> heh
Apr 06 21:07:37 <pandora--> my next place will be a house, with a yard and a gardener
Apr 06 21:08:05 <joetweeply> here in germany it is not usual to have a gardener... also it's too expensive i guess
Apr 06 21:09:03 <pandora--> ah
Apr 06 21:09:08 <pandora--> it's pretty common in california
Apr 06 21:09:14 <pandora--> not very expensive
Apr 06 21:09:23 <pandora--> but... my next place i buy won't be in california
Apr 06 21:09:28 <pandora--> probably colorado
Apr 06 21:09:45 <sugardave> Colorado is nice
Apr 06 21:09:47 <joetweeply> i've never been to usa
Apr 06 21:10:11 <pandora--> sugardave: yeah it is, i like it. but i've lived in CA all my life. it's hard to give it up :)
Apr 06 21:10:31 <pandora--> i'm 6 blocks from the beach, and I went snowboarding last weekend... gotta love los angeles
Apr 06 21:10:36 <pandora--> heh
Apr 06 21:10:37 <sugardave> pandora--: my uncle bought a cabin in Gunnison National Forest near Pitkin....love going up there in the summer
Apr 06 21:19:55 <haeffb_pre> usb charging leaves a burn-in spot on my screen
Apr 06 21:20:18 <Bmyers> get a touchstone
Apr 06 21:21:01 <haeffb_pre> got one. don't take it on the road
Apr 06 21:21:34 <Bmyers> where u charging AND sprintnav'n?
Apr 06 21:22:00 <joetweeply> a burn-in spot?
Apr 06 21:22:49 <haeffb_pre> charging & wircing
Apr 06 21:23:27 <haeffb_pre> it's a light spot on the screen about 1/4 inch from usb port
Apr 06 21:26:04 <joetweeply> how can this happen?
Apr 06 21:26:27 <joetweeply> did not happen to me yet
Apr 06 21:27:02 <zsoc> I've seen it on two devices
Apr 06 21:27:46 <joetweeply> this sucks
Apr 06 21:27:57 <joetweeply> how old is the device for it to happen?
Apr 06 21:29:38 <haeffb_pre> 5 months.
Apr 06 21:30:41 <joetweeply> uh oh... don't scare me here
Apr 06 21:30:55 <joetweeply> i'd like my device to be non-light-spotted
Apr 06 21:31:15 <BigBiff_> it adds flare
Apr 06 21:31:23 <BigBiff_> think of it as 'ornamenting'
Apr 06 21:31:23 <haeffb_pre> character
Apr 06 21:31:30 <BigBiff_> ups the resale
Apr 06 21:32:25 <haeffb_pre> I will never sell my Pre!
Apr 06 21:32:39 <haeffb_pre> it's a piece of history.
Apr 06 21:32:42 <BigBiff_> heh, me neither
Apr 06 21:32:44 <sugardave> cold dead hands, pry, etc.
Apr 06 21:32:50 <BigBiff_> until i take it into the ocean
Apr 06 21:32:56 <BigBiff_> like i did my centro last summer
Apr 06 21:33:15 <BigBiff_> salt water's bad for phones.... who knew?
Apr 06 21:33:28 <sugardave> and Swiss Army knives
Apr 06 21:33:50 <BigBiff_> there you go - no more apps - phone accessories
Apr 06 21:33:57 <BigBiff_> swiss army pre
Apr 06 21:35:00 <zsoc> For anyone interested in slightly unnecessarily overcomplicated linux developer speak, and definitely unnecessary post size, coupled with grammar and spelling errors, please see the thread I posted on the PDK feature requests forum.
Apr 06 21:35:18 <sugardave> alright, sounds fun
Apr 06 21:35:18 <BigBiff_> heh
Apr 06 21:37:40 <BigBiff_> speaking of mowing yards - time for me to get to it
Apr 06 21:37:57 <BigBiff_> basically have to mow a cliff
Apr 06 21:41:04 <joetweeply> sounds cool
Apr 06 21:47:40 <haeffb> how do I disable scene scroller?
Apr 06 21:49:17 <zsoc> haeffb: vulcan pinch
Apr 06 21:49:55 <haeffb> zsoc!!!
Apr 06 21:50:12 <haeffb> that was an awesome answer!!!
Apr 06 21:50:19 <zsoc> ...
Apr 06 21:50:32 <zsoc> haeffb: go post in my thread :p
Apr 06 21:50:43 <zsoc> if you're going to be enthusiastic about something ;)
Apr 06 22:03:02 <Bmyers> sugardave: what was that insert or replace sqlite command? I want to insert a new row if there isnt one or update a row if there is a match.
Apr 06 22:03:35 <sugardave> I think it's INSERT OR REPLACE INTO ...
Apr 06 22:04:25 <Bmyers> thx
Apr 06 22:04:36 <haeffb> REPLACE INTO
Apr 06 22:05:08 <haeffb> var sqlUpdateTask = "REPLACE INTO 'tasks'
Apr 06 22:05:21 <haeffb> altho sugardave's will work as well
Apr 06 22:05:50 <haeffb> my scroller wont scroll...
Apr 06 22:06:02 <sugardave> that's bogus
Apr 06 22:06:53 <haeffb> I'm thinking about firing it and getting a new one.
Apr 06 22:07:09 <Bmyers> cant
Apr 06 22:07:17 <Bmyers> union worker
Apr 06 22:08:12 <Bmyers> your sql method is an alias for sugardave 's haeffb
Apr 06 22:08:18 <JenP> hey guys is there a way to restart the debugger in ares? mine keeps telling me it's disconnected
Apr 06 22:09:54 <haeffb> yes, that's why I said his will work to.
Apr 06 22:10:13 * haeffb don't do ares
Apr 06 22:10:37 <Bmyers> haeffb: ok ok, i was throwing u a bone
Apr 06 22:11:20 <haeffb> fix my scroller...
Apr 06 22:11:34 * JenP about to turn away from ares and never look back
Apr 06 22:11:52 <sugardave> JenP: use it as a UI modeler
Apr 06 22:12:00 <JenP> ?
Apr 06 22:12:06 <JenP> oh...
Apr 06 22:12:10 <sugardave> you know prototyping
Apr 06 22:12:19 <JenP> well Rick said it was a great debugger so i was trying it out
Apr 06 22:12:31 <sugardave> ah, haven't tried the debugger
Apr 06 22:12:33 <JenP> and it's cool....almost
Apr 06 22:12:34 <sugardave> I"m stubborn
Apr 06 22:12:41 <JenP> smiles...
Apr 06 22:12:45 <Rick_work> I'll help you in a bit, I'm on the phone
Apr 06 22:12:52 <JenP> kk
Apr 06 22:13:24 <sugardave> haeffb: how can you have a non-working scroller?
Apr 06 22:13:53 <haeffb> well, I guess at the moment it's a non-scroller
Apr 06 22:13:56 <sugardave> is it a disabled scene scroller?
Apr 06 22:14:14 <haeffb> I have disabled scene scroller, and want to wrap my list in a new scroller.
Apr 06 22:14:25 <haeffb> but the new scroller don't scroll.
Apr 06 22:14:33 <haeffb> the new non-scroller don't scroll
Apr 06 22:14:45 <sugardave> I think the only time I had a problem with scrollers was when I disabled the scene scroller
Apr 06 22:14:53 <sugardave> but I don't remember how I fixed it :s
Apr 06 22:15:40 <haeffb> 	this.controller.setupWidget('tasks_scroller', {	mode: 'vertical'});
Apr 06 22:15:58 <haeffb> that seems pretty damn simple.
Apr 06 22:16:50 <sugardave> yeah, can't you do a vert scroller without specifying attrs/model?
Apr 06 22:17:17 <Bmyers> i dont think i even have a setupwidget line for mine
Apr 06 22:17:32 <haeffb> 		<div id="tasks_scroller" x-mojo-element="Scroller" class="tasks-list-scroller">
Apr 06 22:17:32 <haeffb> 				<div x-mojo-element='List' id='taskListing'></div>	
Apr 06 22:17:32 <haeffb> 		</div>
Apr 06 22:18:03 <sugardave> haeffb: what if you comment out the setupWidget?
Apr 06 22:18:17 <Bmyers> +1
Apr 06 22:18:20 <haeffb> this.controller.setupWidget('tasks_scroller');
Apr 06 22:18:25 <haeffb> same thing.
Apr 06 22:18:36 <sugardave> no, completely comment it out
Apr 06 22:18:39 <haeffb> by same thing, I mean non-scrolling scroller
Apr 06 22:19:29 <haeffb> with or without setupWidget, my scroller don't scroll.
Apr 06 22:19:33 <sugardave> lame
Apr 06 22:19:45 <Bmyers> does it need to?
Apr 06 22:19:56 <Bmyers> it wont if there isnt enough content
Apr 06 22:20:10 <haeffb> there's content.
Apr 06 22:20:13 <Bmyers> or perhaps you have an overflow = hidden?
Apr 06 22:20:42 <haeffb> it worked fine before disable scene scroller and adding this one.
Apr 06 22:20:56 <Bmyers> well dont do that
Apr 06 22:21:06 <sugardave> well, sure...that's the scene scroller
Apr 06 22:21:36 <Bmyers> sugardave: you have a syntax for the replace? u use the where clause to find the row u might want to replace right?
Apr 06 22:21:44 <sugardave> what if you re-enable the scene scroller, can you make just the sub-scroller sroll?
Apr 06 22:22:05 <sugardave> Bmyers: actually, I just replace on the primary key
Apr 06 22:22:48 <haeffb> Bmyers: me too.
Apr 06 22:22:49 <Bmyers> well that doesnt sound very useful. what if i dont know if there is a primary key?
Apr 06 22:23:09 <sugardave> your table doesn't have a primary key?
Apr 06 22:23:11 <haeffb> var sqlUpdateTask = "REPLACE INTO 'tasks' (id, parent, children, title, tag, " +
Apr 06 22:23:11 <haeffb> 		"folder, context, goal, added, modified, duedate, started, " +
Apr 06 22:23:11 <haeffb> 		"duetime, starttime, reminder, repeat, completed, rep_advanced, status, " +
Apr 06 22:23:11 <haeffb> 		"star, priority, length, timer, note, value) VALUES " +
Apr 06 22:23:11 <haeffb> 		"(?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?); GO;";
Apr 06 22:23:12 <sugardave> are you mad?!
Apr 06 22:23:23 <Bmyers> why not just update if you have the primary key?
Apr 06 22:23:51 <sugardave> because I wanted a one-liner to do insert on new or update on existing
Apr 06 22:23:55 <haeffb> value is my primary key
Apr 06 22:24:03 <haeffb> if value is null, it will create a new task
Apr 06 22:24:13 <haeffb> if value already exists, it will update
Apr 06 22:24:13 <zsoc> SPAM!!! K-LINE HIM111!!!111/
Apr 06 22:24:35 <haeffb> zsoc. you are so funny!!!!
Apr 06 22:24:54 <zsoc> i am :(
Apr 06 22:25:01 <sugardave> and when I looked up the syntax, it looked like I needed to do INSERT OR REPLACE INTO
Apr 06 22:25:27 <sugardave> but it looks like I can save 10 characters per instance now
Apr 06 22:25:36 <Bmyers> hmm..
Apr 06 22:25:40 <haeffb> http://www.sqlite.org/lang_insert.html
Apr 06 22:25:54 <sugardave> Bmyers: update won't do if there isn't a record already
Apr 06 22:26:56 <haeffb> var sqlCreateTasksTable = "CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS 'tasks' " +
Apr 06 22:26:56 <haeffb> 		"(id INTEGER, .... value INTEGER PRIMARY KEY); GO;";
Apr 06 22:27:09 <haeffb> for zsoc's sake, I cut out about 5 lines.
Apr 06 22:27:19 <sugardave> wth is this GO shit I keep seeing?
Apr 06 22:27:22 <haeffb> where the ....'s are
Apr 06 22:27:33 <haeffb> it means do it.
Apr 06 22:28:06 <haeffb> sugardave: all this database stuff is voodoo magic to me. I just say the right incantations & it works.
Apr 06 22:28:37 <haeffb> Zammetti claims in his book that sometimes the transactions fail if you don't use GO;
Apr 06 22:28:47 <sugardave> interesting
Apr 06 22:29:09 <haeffb> whether that's true or not I don't know, but I do know that they seem to work with it.
Apr 06 22:29:29 <haeffb> interesting, true. BUT IT'S STILL NOT FIXING MY SCROLLER!
Apr 06 22:29:35 <Bmyers> i thinks there another syntax to check for conflict so you dont have to get the id first
Apr 06 22:29:37 <Bmyers> REPLACE INTO [database-name .] table-name [( column-list )] select-statement
Apr 06 22:29:46 <Bmyers> http://www.newobjects.com/pages/ndl/SQLite2/SQL.htm#replace
Apr 06 22:30:54 <Bmyers> maybe not. seems silly to have to check for the primary key first
Apr 06 22:31:12 <sugardave> Bmyers: oh yeah, you don't HAVE to use the primary key, but in my code I keep track of it anyway, so I just use it
Apr 06 22:31:50 <haeffb> you don't need to know the primary key of the record you're trying to insert
Apr 06 22:31:50 <Bmyers> haeffb: can u run inspector and look for you precious scroller?
Apr 06 22:32:07 <haeffb> I deleted the damn scroller.
Apr 06 22:32:22 <sugardave> bitch had it coming
Apr 06 22:32:29 <haeffb> 's what I thought.
Apr 06 22:32:31 <Bmyers> biatch
Apr 06 22:33:02 <Bmyers> scroller is stupid anyway..
Apr 06 22:33:46 <haeffb> users just need to keep their task lists short.
Apr 06 22:33:54 <haeffb> users are stupid anyway.
Apr 06 22:34:11 <zsoc> very
Apr 06 22:34:11 <Bmyers> so, based on 2 unique values, i can replace another column value or insert a new row w/all 3 values?
Apr 06 22:34:12 <haeffb> I just won't let anybody use this app.
Apr 06 22:34:33 <Bmyers> u can charge more for it that way
Apr 06 22:34:40 <haeffb> it's exclusive
Apr 06 22:35:46 <sugardave> Bmyers: yes
Apr 06 22:35:55 <sugardave> I have done it that way also
Apr 06 22:36:28 <Bmyers> but i dont need to include the id. just the values i know and want to update
Apr 06 22:36:33 <sugardave> yep
Apr 06 22:36:46 <haeffb> wait, what?
Apr 06 22:37:00 <sugardave> with insert or replace, you don't need the primary key
Apr 06 22:37:27 <haeffb> how does it know to update if you don't feed it a key?
Apr 06 22:37:29 <sugardave> if what you're inserting conflicts with an existing key, it gets replaced with the new values instead
Apr 06 22:38:13 <sugardave> that's why it reads INSERT OR REPLACE, it attempts to insert, if it's a key violation, it replaces instead
Apr 06 22:39:07 <Bmyers> lets say i have this table
Apr 06 22:39:13 <Bmyers> it has 4 columns
Apr 06 22:39:23 <sugardave> you have a table with 4 colums
Apr 06 22:39:24 <Bmyers> id, gr_id, nduid, value
Apr 06 22:39:28 <haeffb> oooh. a story!
Apr 06 22:39:38 <Bmyers> (sorry , once upon a time)
Apr 06 22:39:44 <Bmyers> there was this table...
Apr 06 22:39:50 <Bmyers> id, gr_id, nduid, value
Apr 06 22:40:02 <haeffb> id is primary key?
Apr 06 22:40:04 * JenP giggles
Apr 06 22:40:08 <sugardave> you betcha
Apr 06 22:40:19 <Bmyers> please raise your hand during story time
Apr 06 22:40:33 <Bmyers> yes, id is primary
Apr 06 22:40:40 * haeffb looks at ground & mumbles
Apr 06 22:40:47 <Bmyers> so, little-bo-query comes along
Apr 06 22:40:57 <Bmyers> mrs. query know 3 things
Apr 06 22:41:07 <Bmyers> gr_id, nduid, and value
Apr 06 22:41:13 <haeffb> stop right there!
Apr 06 22:41:21 <Bmyers> but doesnt know if mrs. query is already in the table
Apr 06 22:41:22 * sugardave raises his hand.
Apr 06 22:41:24 <haeffb> before you go any further...
Apr 06 22:41:34 <Bmyers> sugardave: go ahead.
Apr 06 22:41:39 <haeffb> ...do you love me? will you love me forever?!?
Apr 06 22:41:45 <Bmyers> you raised ir hand
Apr 06 22:41:52 * Mousey shakes the magic 8-ball
Apr 06 22:41:56 <halfhalo> THAT was not what I was excpecting...
Apr 06 22:42:06 <haeffb> channeling meatloaf. sorry.
Apr 06 22:42:15 <sugardave> are gr_id and/or nduid unique keys, as well?
Apr 06 22:42:25 <Bmyers> never meet loaf..
Apr 06 22:42:36 <Bmyers> not unique
Apr 06 22:42:49 * haeffb meekly raises hand
Apr 06 22:42:50 <Bmyers> just the combination of gr_id, nduid is unique
Apr 06 22:42:59 <Bmyers> bathroom again haeffb?
Apr 06 22:43:00 <sugardave> okay, got it
Apr 06 22:43:09 <haeffb> please, headmaster?
Apr 06 22:43:15 <Bmyers> yes haeffb..
Apr 06 22:43:25 <haeffb> create your own id from unix timestamp
Apr 06 22:43:38 <haeffb> 'cuz thats what I do.
Apr 06 22:44:00 <sugardave> so, it will be INSERT OR REPLACE INTO table .... WHERE gr_id = ? AND nduid = ?
Apr 06 22:44:09 <Bmyers> it's ok if mrs. query comes back later and want to update table.value
Apr 06 22:44:27 <Bmyers> sugardave: thats what i am wondering
Apr 06 22:44:31 <sugardave> yes
Apr 06 22:44:34 <sugardave> that works
Apr 06 22:44:46 <Bmyers> well that was easy..
Apr 06 22:44:55 <sugardave> that's how I do my Mind Master multi-user thing
Apr 06 22:45:51 <Bmyers> but i wont need to know the primary key, id.
Apr 06 22:45:56 <sugardave> nope
Apr 06 22:46:20 <Bmyers> i'm doing a star rating thing for each guyrule based of what the gr_id is and the nduid
Apr 06 22:46:28 <sugardave> because it will result in a key violation, so the values get replaced instead on the conflicting record
Apr 06 22:47:02 <Bmyers> right. and gr_id and nduid are not unique columns..
Apr 06 22:47:17 <sugardave> no, but combination-wise they are
Apr 06 22:47:36 <sugardave> you basically have a unique key defined across two columns, yeah?
Apr 06 22:47:41 <Bmyers> right. you do that for your checkin script to update run-counts?
Apr 06 22:47:44 <haeffb> so, if I get a new phone, I can re-rate guy rules?
Apr 06 22:48:08 <Bmyers> your nduid is NOT unique across phones?
Apr 06 22:48:19 <sugardave> no no, that is unique
Apr 06 22:48:25 <Bmyers> shoot..
Apr 06 22:48:28 <Rick_work> be back later.
Apr 06 22:48:55 <sugardave> the nduid is always going to be unique...
Apr 06 22:48:59 <Bmyers> isnt there one that is NOT unique across phones? like your palm id or something?
Apr 06 22:49:14 <sugardave> oh...hmmm
Apr 06 22:49:16 <sugardave> not sure
Apr 06 22:49:18 <Bmyers> my other thought was to register the nduid to your club_guy account
Apr 06 22:49:35 <Bmyers> to which you could change it
Apr 06 22:50:54 <sugardave> it doesn't matter if you have multiple instances of nduid or gr_id, as long as there is only one combination of nduid+gr_id
Apr 06 22:51:05 <haeffb> interesting. If I disable scene scroller and don't add a scroller around my list, I get an error and the list doesn't show up.
Apr 06 22:51:07 <sugardave> I think I'm confused
Apr 06 22:51:16 <haeffb> add the scroller back in, and the list shows up but doesn't scroll.
Apr 06 22:51:17 <Bmyers> or i could just ignore ppl who get new phones.
Apr 06 22:51:43 <haeffb> sorry, sugardave, I changed the subject in the middle of your conversation.
Apr 06 22:51:46 <Bmyers> haeffb run inspector and see whats up.
Apr 06 22:52:01 <sugardave> oh, you want to keep track of users across new devices?  probably going to need to do some sort of user registration/login system for that
Apr 06 22:52:16 <Bmyers> sugardave: yes. or just ignore them
Apr 06 22:52:20 <sugardave> right
Apr 06 22:52:28 <Bmyers> let them rate it twice
Apr 06 22:52:33 <Bmyers> WDIC?
Apr 06 22:52:41 <Bmyers> more ad revenue..
Apr 06 22:52:44 <sugardave> that's right
Apr 06 22:52:47 <haeffb> what's the cmd for making it inspectable?
Apr 06 22:52:53 <Bmyers> -i
Apr 06 22:53:01 <Bmyers> palm-launch -i
Apr 06 22:53:17 <Bmyers> oh wait. templarian has a button for that
Apr 06 22:53:21 <sugardave> if you use komodo it's the one with the magnifying glass
Apr 06 22:53:22 <Bmyers> using komodoedit?
Apr 06 22:53:39 <Bmyers> i think he's using rocks and sticks
Apr 06 22:53:50 <haeffb> pencil and paper
Apr 06 22:53:54 <Bmyers> oh um, eclipse..
Apr 06 22:53:57 <haeffb> I've evolved
Apr 06 22:54:49 <sugardave> I remember last year and only having a phone with no sdk....good times
Apr 06 22:54:56 <Bmyers> i'm sure the other 87 ppl in here are like "WTF r these guys doing!"
Apr 06 22:55:15 <halfhalo> Yeah, but thats par for the course here...
Apr 06 22:55:35 <Bmyers> funny stuff.. story time...
Apr 06 22:55:45 <sugardave> heh
Apr 06 22:55:53 <Bmyers> gotta be a guyrule in there somewhere
Apr 06 22:55:59 <haeffb> ok, what am I looking for?
Apr 06 22:56:12 <sugardave> "You must raise your hand during story time."
Apr 06 22:56:29 <Bmyers> look for scroller
Apr 06 22:56:31 <sugardave> haeffb: a scroller, I think
Apr 06 22:56:33 <haeffb> got that
Apr 06 22:56:38 <Bmyers> and again
Apr 06 22:56:46 <haeffb> overflow
Apr 06 22:56:54 <Bmyers> hidden?
Apr 06 22:56:56 <haeffb> well, that didn't work
Apr 06 22:56:57 <haeffb> nope
Apr 06 22:57:25 <haeffb> overflow: -webkit-palm-overflow;
Apr 06 22:57:25 <haeffb> position: relative;
Apr 06 22:57:33 <Bmyers> size?
Apr 06 22:58:03 * sugardave checked BOFH Excuse Generator.  "I had to leave the scene scroller enabled."
Apr 06 22:58:21 <haeffb> 1288px x 320px
Apr 06 22:58:35 <haeffb> (1288 is up 'n down)
Apr 06 22:58:46 <haeffb> (320 is crossways)
Apr 06 22:59:07 <sugardave> 1288 is too much, yeah?
Apr 06 22:59:13 <haeffb> -webkit-box-sizing: content-box
Apr 06 22:59:18 <haeffb> what is that?
Apr 06 22:59:24 <sugardave> that means the scroller is as big as the list, and won't scroll
Apr 06 22:59:45 <sugardave> try setting its height in the html and see what happens
Apr 06 23:00:18 <haeffb> ah, ok.
Apr 06 23:00:26 <sugardave> that's another thing...I think I tried setting scroller element height in css and it didn't work
Apr 06 23:00:30 <sugardave> but in the html it does
Apr 06 23:00:49 <Bmyers> yup
Apr 06 23:00:59 <Bmyers> me 2
Apr 06 23:01:11 <Bmyers> biatch...
Apr 06 23:01:28 <sugardave> those damn scrollers....no good, the lot
Apr 06 23:02:33 <haeffb> .tasks-list-scroller {
Apr 06 23:02:33 <haeffb> 	height:100%;
Apr 06 23:02:33 <haeffb> 	width:100%;
Apr 06 23:02:33 <haeffb> }
Apr 06 23:02:41 <haeffb> Saweettt!
Apr 06 23:02:47 <sugardave> aww yeah
Apr 06 23:03:08 <haeffb> thanks guyz. gotta run to get some supper. Going mobile.
Apr 06 23:03:10 <halfhalo> ok, broke my code and there should be no reason its broken
Apr 06 23:03:24 <haeffb> ooh.. halfhalo: tell us a story!
Apr 06 23:03:27 <sugardave> halfhalo: sure, that happens to mne all the time
Apr 06 23:03:46 <halfhalo> bah, storytime is for when its working
Apr 06 23:03:48 <codeslaw_> halfhalo: in soviet rush, code breaks you.
Apr 06 23:03:53 <codeslaw_> ... russia ...
Apr 06 23:04:00 <sugardave> haha
Apr 06 23:04:28 <halfhalo> iuhadfiphjfsdpafvipub
Apr 06 23:04:39 <codeslaw_> that's what happens when you say everything you are typing out loud to yourself
Apr 06 23:04:58 <codeslaw_> soviet rush sounds like a hardcore fraternity event
Apr 06 23:05:12 <zsoc> codeslaw_: one day i will eat you
Apr 06 23:05:18 <zsoc> and i will become the best programmer of all time
Apr 06 23:05:30 <sugardave> wtf, this isn't highlander
Apr 06 23:05:34 <halfhalo> Ok, I feel stupid
Apr 06 23:05:52 <zsoc> sugardave: or is it?
Apr 06 23:05:56 <Bmyers> sounds like a haeffb question..
Apr 06 23:05:57 <sugardave> THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE WEBOS PROGRAMMER
Apr 06 23:06:06 <halfhalo> It was working, but I was expecting it to show up after my opened db statements in mojo.log
Apr 06 23:06:09 <halfhalo> which it wasn't
Apr 06 23:06:58 <haeffb_pre> yes, this is highlander
Apr 06 23:07:06 <halfhalo> I drive a highlander...
Apr 06 23:07:09 <sugardave> shit, codeslaw is near me
Apr 06 23:07:31 <dawm> is there a way to update (change) a list widgets attributes?
Apr 06 23:07:41 <halfhalo> yes
Apr 06 23:07:57 <halfhalo> staticThis.listmodel.items=friendsarray.compact();      staticThis.controller.modelChanged(staticThis.listmodel,this);
Apr 06 23:08:04 <sugardave> you have to re-setup it, I think
Apr 06 23:08:09 <halfhalo> like that, but less staticThis in it
Apr 06 23:08:23 <sugardave> halfhalo: attrs, not model
Apr 06 23:08:31 <halfhalo> SEMANTICS
Apr 06 23:08:33 <dawm> yah, i know how to change the model :P
Apr 06 23:08:38 <dawm> ill try resetting up
Apr 06 23:08:46 <halfhalo> SEMANTICS!!! ITS ALL SEMANTICS
Apr 06 23:08:59 <sugardave> after resetting, you might have to refresh the window, too
Apr 06 23:09:03 <sugardave> depends on the widget
Apr 06 23:09:11 <dawm> can i just referesh the window?
Apr 06 23:09:35 <sugardave> you have to re-run setupWidget first
Apr 06 23:09:42 <sugardave> I'm pretty sure
Apr 06 23:10:07 <Bmyers> alot of attributes can be put in the model instead.
Apr 06 23:10:14 <sugardave> that's true, too
Apr 06 23:10:19 <Bmyers> dont make more work for yourself if you dont have to
Apr 06 23:10:43 <Bmyers> what r u looking to change halfhalo?
Apr 06 23:10:50 <Bmyers> ooops
Apr 06 23:11:02 <Bmyers> whomever that was
Apr 06 23:11:08 <dawm> i just need to update verbage on a preference change
Apr 06 23:11:21 <dawm> but on the main scene
Apr 06 23:12:41 * haeffb_pre feels like I'm getting close on this tasks app
Apr 06 23:12:58 <dawm> whoa..
Apr 06 23:13:00 <haeffb_pre> another six months should do it.
Apr 06 23:13:05 <dawm> dont try to use document.location.reload()
Apr 06 23:13:35 <zsoc> haeffb_pre: i'm making you alpha test my app
Apr 06 23:14:04 <sugardave> omg, you can make people alpha test stuff?
Apr 06 23:14:15 <zsoc> Yep. I have the power.
Apr 06 23:14:33 <haeffb_pre> she IS highlander
Apr 06 23:14:57 <zsoc> haeffb_pre: is that it, really? the real reason you're nice to me?
Apr 06 23:15:09 <halfhalo> DAMMIT
Apr 06 23:15:16 <halfhalo> steam community is down again
Apr 06 23:15:41 <haeffb_pre> no, it's the hungarian thing
Apr 06 23:15:54 <sugardave> zsoc: I could use your help then: http://bit.ly/bhxNuf   I'm getting no love from the forum
Apr 06 23:16:21 <halfhalo> that link makes my ff crash
Apr 06 23:16:37 <sugardave> it goes to palm dev forums ?
Apr 06 23:16:48 <halfhalo> and?
Apr 06 23:16:51 <halfhalo> still makes it crash
Apr 06 23:16:55 <sugardave> lame
Apr 06 23:17:02 <sugardave> use Iron
Apr 06 23:17:03 <zsoc> sugardave: maybe people think it's a privacy concern?
Apr 06 23:17:55 <sugardave> yes, good point....these are things I hoped to discuss with people in the test.  I need feedback, etc.
Apr 06 23:18:30 <halfhalo> heh, sugardave, I'm making my friend make a BOFH excuse generator as a intro to webos project
Apr 06 23:18:31 <zsoc> That's ok, my post was 10 times that length and I just got some guy who doesn't speak english to argue with me.
Apr 06 23:19:21 <sugardave> halfhalo: I will bury your friend
Apr 06 23:19:34 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 06 23:19:50 <sugardave> actually, if he can get more than 50 people to buy it, I'll buy him a beer
Apr 06 23:19:55 <halfhalo> Hell, its one of the first projects I do in any language
Apr 06 23:20:01 <sugardave> hehe
Apr 06 23:20:26 <zsoc> s/BOFH Excuse Generator/Random Excuse Generator/
Apr 06 23:20:38 <zsoc> instant app catalog popularity increase
Apr 06 23:20:49 <halfhalo> but in this case, its going to teach him how to do ajax.requests, update divs, handle buttons, and update lists
Apr 06 23:21:35 <halfhalo> I'm making him pull the categories off my server each time its run.
Apr 06 23:22:14 <sugardave> halfhalo: nah, you got to go all the way and at least make him do depot storage of the categories...then check after some time for updates
Apr 06 23:22:27 <halfhalo> Depots the project after that
Apr 06 23:22:36 <halfhalo> Well, its an update to it
Apr 06 23:22:59 <halfhalo> Baby steps here...
Apr 06 23:23:45 <sugardave> halfhalo: honestly, I would skip depot and go straight to sqlite
Apr 06 23:24:00 <dawm> hey dave heh
Apr 06 23:24:01 <halfhalo> Ehhhh
Apr 06 23:24:02 <dawm> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4410&p=16689&hilit=update+attributes#p16689
Apr 06 23:24:11 <halfhalo> I think right now sqlite is a little out of his range
Apr 06 23:24:13 <dawm> looks like haeffb pretty much shot down everything you suggested
Apr 06 23:24:38 <dawm> ill just use the model method
Apr 06 23:25:13 <sugardave> damn...oh, I think I was thinking of how to insert and set up a widget after a scene has been loaded for some time
Apr 06 23:25:36 <sugardave> dawm: yeah, the model will be much easier
Apr 06 23:25:44 <dawm> yerp
Apr 06 23:26:57 <sugardave> halfhalo: seriously, though...I hear depot is just some simple wrappers for sqlite, so semantics ;)
Apr 06 23:27:19 <halfhalo> oh yeah it is, but it is also easier for beginners
Apr 06 23:27:27 <halfhalo> no sql crap to deal with
Apr 06 23:28:29 <dawm> there
Apr 06 23:28:30 <dawm> woprks
Apr 06 23:28:39 <sugardave> yay
Apr 06 23:28:59 <dawm> err..
Apr 06 23:29:01 <dawm> works once heh
Apr 06 23:29:04 <sugardave> boo
Apr 06 23:29:13 <dawm> forgot to update the check var
Apr 06 23:31:04 <dawm> much cleaner than doing a swapScene
Apr 06 23:31:07 <halfhalo> Who wants story time to help me find the best way of doing this
Apr 06 23:32:10 <sugardave> let
Apr 06 23:32:15 <sugardave> let's hear it
Apr 06 23:32:19 <sugardave> damn keyboard
Apr 06 23:32:22 <halfhalo> Lol
Apr 06 23:32:31 <halfhalo> Once upon a time there was a list model
Apr 06 23:32:37 <halfhalo> he was very lonely
Apr 06 23:33:05 <halfhalo> so he decided to go and lookup a page which has addresses on it
Apr 06 23:33:23 <halfhalo> except some of the addresses lead no-where
Apr 06 23:34:07 <halfhalo> so for each address he goes and looks up the information if possible, and saves it in an array
Apr 06 23:34:35 <halfhalo> now, he manages to gather up all the valid addresses and updates himself with them
Apr 06 23:35:18 <halfhalo> but the next day he gets lonely again, and so calls up all the old addresses again
Apr 06 23:35:48 <halfhalo> but stuff has changed, so he has to go look everything up again, which takes a REALLY long time on evdo
Apr 06 23:36:00 <halfhalo> so he faces a dilema
Apr 06 23:36:19 <halfhalo> How does he update without taking forever and making the phone go slow
Apr 06 23:37:14 <halfhalo> That is a CRAP story
Apr 06 23:37:41 <Bmyers> it's gotta have a happy ending. is there a happy ending?
Apr 06 23:37:42 <sugardave> I agree....but how would you fix that?  I mean, if stuff has changed, it has changed
Apr 06 23:37:45 <dawm> hrm
Apr 06 23:37:54 <dawm> why are my listselectors truncated
Apr 06 23:38:11 <halfhalo> well, thats just one of my problems actually
Apr 06 23:38:28 <Bmyers> lazy list and update it along the way?
Apr 06 23:38:55 <sugardave> halfhalo: can you offload the lookup to the server hosting the initial lookup page?
Apr 06 23:39:04 <halfhalo> I mean, I can update each address by itself which is not all that slow, BUT it causes the list to change length for a microsecond messing up the rendering
Apr 06 23:39:08 <sugardave> and IT can cache the pages
Apr 06 23:39:15 <halfhalo> and no, I can't since its not my server
Apr 06 23:39:20 <sugardave> bummer
Apr 06 23:39:44 <halfhalo> I have software in place on my server to do all this, but its really intensive
Apr 06 23:39:45 <sugardave> halfhalo: then don't update the list until you get all the new values
Apr 06 23:40:01 <sugardave> instead of each time
Apr 06 23:40:36 <halfhalo> I tried that before.  But something kept breaking....
Apr 06 23:40:41 <halfhalo> and I cant remember what
Apr 06 23:40:55 <halfhalo> My plan is this right now
Apr 06 23:41:13 <halfhalo> if there is any, grab old data from DB
Apr 06 23:41:44 <halfhalo> run through the list updating ONLY the DB, then after that use the updated DB to populate the list
Apr 06 23:42:15 <sugardave> that should work
Apr 06 23:44:59 <halfhalo> it should, but It just seems clunky to me
Apr 06 23:45:31 <dawm> hrm
Apr 06 23:45:36 <sugardave> but from a data integrity standpoint, that's how I would do it
Apr 06 23:45:47 <sugardave> make sure it's in storage before display
Apr 06 23:45:57 <Bmyers> dont you get paid per pund of code like the rest of us?
Apr 06 23:46:00 <dawm> all i need is an app icon and some testing and this app is done.. really wish i didnt wait 2weeks to finish the preferences scene.. this sucker is done ;p
Apr 06 23:46:14 <Bmyers> s/pund/pound
Apr 06 23:46:38 <dawm> i just need to peak into the google maps app and see why it can grab gps at work and my app cannot
Apr 06 23:47:02 <sugardave> dawm: I don't suppose YOU'D like to help me test my stats solution
Apr 06 23:47:06 <dawm> i mean.. ive got a clear view of the sky (i work at a large airport)
Apr 06 23:47:31 <dawm> how much work is involved?
Apr 06 23:47:49 <dawm> i updated mine but i havent made the UI
Apr 06 23:47:53 <sugardave> very little, sign up, wait a minute, copy some .js into your stage controller
Apr 06 23:48:20 <dawm> my apptrack v2 stores more data but less data is stored in the db :P
Apr 06 23:48:49 <sugardave> I'm storing more than I show in that screenshot, but nothing beyond appInfo and deviceInfo type stuff
Apr 06 23:49:30 <sugardave> I'm fighting with Drupal's data extraction stuff and trying to make sure everything is marshalled to an app and/or user
Apr 06 23:50:16 <dawm> i forgt what i grab, but v1 has alot of rows in the DB :P and v2 would have far far far less
Apr 06 23:50:39 <dawm> swap&drop on v1 has 18795 rows
Apr 06 23:50:50 <dawm> aka total times launched overall
Apr 06 23:50:54 <sugardave> damn
Apr 06 23:51:00 <halfhalo> wow
Apr 06 23:51:16 <halfhalo> Mine doesn't store how many times its launched yet
Apr 06 23:51:21 <dawm> everytime its launched a new row is made
Apr 06 23:51:21 <sugardave> I am tracking like that, but will be truncating the instance tables every 3 months (or something)
Apr 06 23:51:29 <dawm> i was lazy it works enough for me heh
Apr 06 23:51:38 <dawm> v2 updates rather than inserts
Apr 06 23:51:44 <halfhalo> Mine is currently storing nuid, version, last launched time
Apr 06 23:51:56 <dawm> stores the initial launch, last launch and a running total of launches
Apr 06 23:52:18 <dawm> plus the appinfo and deviceinfo
Apr 06 23:56:04 <sugardave> dawm: http://bit.ly/bhxNuf if you want to chek it out, there's more reporting coming
Apr 06 23:56:44 <sugardave> I'm not keeping a total launch count...yet, that will be phased in eventually (before I start cleansing logs)
Apr 06 23:56:52 <dawm> i cant find the contact link
Apr 06 23:57:01 <sugardave> oh, upper right
Apr 06 23:57:12 <sugardave> you don't have to do that, I'' set it now
Apr 06 23:57:22 <dawm> upper right is just 'forums'
Apr 06 23:57:29 <sugardave> oh really?
Apr 06 23:57:30 <sugardave> shit
Apr 06 23:57:34 <dawm> yah
Apr 06 23:57:43 <dawm> and /contact says im not authorized
Apr 06 23:57:48 <sugardave> oh, you have to register first
Apr 06 23:57:58 <dawm> youre making me register to contact?
Apr 06 23:58:05 <sugardave> that I will fix
Apr 06 23:58:20 <sugardave> but you will need to register to use the thing, because I"ve got it based on a user role
Apr 06 23:59:06 <dawm> ok where to i change my pw
Apr 06 23:59:16 <sugardave> there anon contact should work
Apr 07 00:00:13 <sugardave> dawm: crap, you are finding all kinds of stuff...I removed the my account link, so go to http://www.gomlsoftware.com/user
Apr 07 00:00:21 <dawm> heh
Apr 07 00:00:23 <sugardave> then there's an edit link and change your password there
Apr 07 00:00:24 <dawm> i figured it out
Apr 07 00:00:43 <dawm> pooppaul
Apr 07 00:01:04 <sugardave> I need to hide the 'Create content link', so I failed to see consequences :D
Apr 07 00:01:49 <sugardave> dawm: okay, you have the stuff...so now there's a private forum area and the script is in there
Apr 07 00:02:06 <sugardave> you should also have two new links in the left sidebar
Apr 07 00:02:12 <sugardave> you need to create an application
Apr 07 00:02:26 <sugardave> and the package name needs to match the appinfo id, that's basically it
Apr 07 00:02:31 <dawm> k
Apr 07 00:03:20 <dawm> am i still here?
Apr 07 00:03:25 <sugardave> yes?
Apr 07 00:03:29 <dawm> oh ok
Apr 07 00:03:38 <dawm> my network icon is saying my connection is dead
Apr 07 00:03:40 <dawm> was just wodnering
Apr 07 00:04:08 <sugardave> that's been happening on my work laptop lately...says I have "limited connectivity" but thngs still work
Apr 07 00:05:26 <dawm> ok um.. what the poop..
Apr 07 00:05:48 <dawm> i took the gmaps app off my phone, looking at the src.. uhh i think WQI forgot some files..
Apr 07 00:06:32 <dawm> heh
Apr 07 00:06:34 <dawm> http://gjm.google.com/mwm?sky=tfb
Apr 07 00:10:44 <pandora--> wassat?
Apr 07 00:11:15 <sugardave> is that your current location according to your app?
Apr 07 00:12:46 <pandora--> hm?
Apr 07 00:16:02 <dawm> no
Apr 07 00:16:07 <dawm> just a url inside the google maps app
Apr 07 00:16:17 <dawm> pretty much looks like the app but without the webos ui
Apr 07 00:16:26 <dawm> i cant find where it fetches gps
Apr 07 00:17:24 <dawm> well this sucks
Apr 07 00:17:50 <dawm> why would google maps app fetch a gps lock and my app cant
Apr 07 00:17:56 <dawm> only at work that is
Apr 07 00:18:58 <haeffb_pre> google knows where you are even without GPS
Apr 07 00:19:31 <dawm> apparently
Apr 07 00:19:42 <sugardave> I was about to ask if you're sure they're using GPS and not guessing geogrpahy based on IP address
Apr 07 00:20:00 <dawm> lol
Apr 07 00:20:05 <dawm> dave
Apr 07 00:20:10 <dawm> im talking about the on device app
Apr 07 00:20:15 <sugardave> oh :D
Apr 07 00:20:38 <dawm> my app will sit and cycle forever trying to find a gps lock
Apr 07 00:20:51 <dawm> but if i open up gmaps it finds it immediately
Apr 07 00:21:09 <sugardave> that happens with 4square
Apr 07 00:21:13 <dawm> gps works find here at home tho
Apr 07 00:21:28 <dawm> but i would assume id have better luck at work out in the wide open with a clear view of the sky and whatnot
Apr 07 00:22:29 <sugardave> yeah, that's weird
Apr 07 00:23:03 <pandora--> there's different settings you can use in the SDK with gps
Apr 07 00:23:12 <dawm> pandora--, yeah i know
Apr 07 00:23:25 <dawm> but the messed up thing is google maps doesnt even use the location service in their app
Apr 07 00:23:31 <pandora--> lol
Apr 07 00:23:47 <dawm> wait
Apr 07 00:23:49 <dawm> maybe it does
Apr 07 00:23:53 <dawm> but offsite
Apr 07 00:23:56 <pandora--> well, they have their own ways of figuring it out on their side
Apr 07 00:24:31 <dawm> ive got an idea
Apr 07 00:24:55 <dawm> hrm
Apr 07 00:26:08 <dawm> fuckrs
Apr 07 00:26:31 <dawm> yeap
Apr 07 00:26:45 <dawm> firefox just told me that maps.google.com wants to know my location
Apr 07 00:26:53 <dawm> using the url http://maps.google.com/maps/m?client=ms-mwm-palm
Apr 07 00:28:50 <BigBiff> any good documentation (besides the usual spots) explaining the scroller widget
Apr 07 00:30:04 <BigBiff> i'm trying to nest one in a drawer - the snap functions are what i dont really get/need to understand
Apr 07 00:32:16 <BigBiff> i love the documentation
Apr 07 00:32:40 <BigBiff> set it up, give it some attributes, define a model - just like any other widget
Apr 07 00:32:59 <BigBiff> still dont get it? check out these 180 lines of code
Apr 07 00:33:06 <BigBiff> heh
Apr 07 00:33:59 <BigBiff> nvmd, found a shorter version
Apr 07 00:34:05 <BigBiff> forgot about the mojomatters
Apr 07 01:35:18 <dawm> whats the sshot keys?
Apr 07 01:36:18 <haeffb> opt-sym-p
Apr 07 01:36:39 <dawm> no working
Apr 07 01:37:28 <JenP> opt-shift-p
Apr 07 01:40:33 <dawm> nop
Apr 07 01:42:08 <haeffb> it is opt-sym-p. maybe need to reboot?
Apr 07 01:42:09 <dawm> oh nice
Apr 07 01:42:16 <dawm> they dont give the notification it was saved
Apr 07 01:42:22 <dawm> its been working just not telling me
Apr 07 01:42:44 <haeffb> oh, by the way, there's no notification.
Apr 07 01:43:03 * haeffb hates copy/pasting CSS from palm apps.
Apr 07 01:43:11 <dawm> i recall there being one
Apr 07 01:43:24 * haeffb hates that he doesn't know enough CSS that he can write it on his own.
Apr 07 01:46:09 <Roy-Pre101> Hrf.  Why's it takin' so long for my metadata update to go through?
Apr 07 01:48:00 <halfhalo_T400> because they hate you?
Apr 07 01:48:53 <dawm> nice
Apr 07 01:49:12 <dawm> my app supports miles and kilometers  now
Apr 07 01:50:21 <Bmyers> ooh. rule ratings are almost done..
Apr 07 01:53:45 <haeffb> dawm? your app is in the catalog?
Apr 07 01:53:50 <dawm> no
Apr 07 01:53:54 <haeffb> oh.
Apr 07 01:53:58 <dawm> i need testers
Apr 07 01:54:01 <dawm> and write up soem help docs
Apr 07 01:54:35 <haeffb> sorry, I saw Roy-Pre101's msg and thought it was you.
Apr 07 01:57:12 <haeffb> grrr...my listSelectors keep moving around.
Apr 07 02:05:35 <dawm> god
Apr 07 02:05:39 <halfhalo_T400> yes?
Apr 07 02:05:43 <dawm> why cant i find stuff in the docs when i need to
Apr 07 02:05:51 <dawm> and why does search only work on certain pages..
Apr 07 02:06:06 <dawm> where the hell are the dialog docs..
Apr 07 02:06:18 <sugardave> because if it were easy, no one would pay you to do it
Apr 07 02:07:02 <dawm> pretty sad that i can goto my other apps src to find answers and i cant find squat on the doc site
Apr 07 02:07:36 <dawm> bastards need to fix the search box
Apr 07 02:10:42 <haeffb> true dat
Apr 07 02:11:01 <haeffb> I need swisstomcat to teach me how to get a little arrow to NOT show up on a listSelector.
Apr 07 02:16:11 <dawm> how can i call showAlertDialog from an appassistant?
Apr 07 02:28:31 <haeffb> dawm: you need to get a handle to a sceneAssistant
Apr 07 02:30:12 <haeffb> er. wait. no you don't.
Apr 07 02:31:37 <haeffb> dawm: that is a damn good question.
Apr 07 02:32:16 <halfhalo_T400> AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Apr 07 02:32:22 <halfhalo_T400> got part of it working again
Apr 07 02:32:46 <haeffb> Mojo.Controller.showAlertDialog(...) not work?
Apr 07 02:34:11 <haeffb> JenP: ping
Apr 07 02:34:22 <JenP> hello haeffb what's up?
Apr 07 02:35:48 <haeffb> feel up to debugging some CSS?
Apr 07 02:36:14 <JenP> can't just yet...on phone
Apr 07 02:36:34 <haeffb> righty-o. later, maybe.
Apr 07 02:37:12 <JenP> sorry...funeral arrangments...should be free in 30 mins
Apr 07 02:38:14 <haeffb> ah. darn. sorry to hear that. No need to worry about CSS tonight.
Apr 07 02:38:47 <JenP> oh no it's ok...keeping my mind busy is good
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