**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 12 02:59:56 2010 Apr 12 03:01:23 http://www.webos101.com/Dialogs Apr 12 03:02:34 ahh Apr 12 03:02:42 that's deep Apr 12 03:05:17 hi all Apr 12 03:09:53 haeffb: nice Apr 12 03:10:11 real f'n nice Apr 12 03:10:12 http://bit.ly/9cLlXH Apr 12 03:10:20 sounds like no flash for webos.. Apr 12 03:10:59 BigBiff: Does scrollbars: true work for scrollers? Apr 12 03:11:16 no clue Apr 12 03:12:05 i've never seen a sample/snippet where it was set to true Apr 12 03:12:58 Mmm. Apr 12 03:15:35 just tried it Apr 12 03:15:41 no scrollbar Apr 12 03:16:09 unless haeffb knows the trick Apr 12 03:24:35 no scrollbars in webOS, afaik Apr 12 03:38:44 haeffb: wheres a good place for me to start learning some webkit in webos basics? Apr 12 03:39:31 or is it the same on any os Apr 12 03:52:56 http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/11/bloomberg-palm-is-up-for-sale/ Has this been linked yet? Apr 12 03:53:23 (for those that are not over in -internals) Apr 12 03:57:39 Templarian: oh shit Apr 12 03:57:59 rumors are one thing Apr 12 03:58:05 that's quite a statement Apr 12 03:58:26 HTC expressing interest?? Apr 12 03:58:43 palm themselves hasn't commented yet Apr 12 03:58:46 so no 100% proof yet Apr 12 03:58:59 but bloomberg wouldn't be a source I associate with rumor milling Apr 12 03:59:18 It's very far from a rumor, it has been expected. Apr 12 03:59:22 is it bad if I say "don't disappear before the EVO comes out"? :/ Apr 12 04:08:16 ladies Apr 12 04:08:17 VincentLaw: lol Apr 12 04:08:21 whats new in the webos world Apr 12 04:08:24 http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/11/bloomberg-palm-is-up-for-sale/ Apr 12 04:08:29 ron_frown: thats what Apr 12 04:08:39 ron_frown: :) that's what we're talking about actually Apr 12 04:09:01 VincentLaw: the better question is can I get a Nexus One running WebOS? Apr 12 04:09:02 :D Apr 12 04:09:24 seriously? Apr 12 04:09:32 android is a much better os for building apps Apr 12 04:09:45 the os itself I like (webos) but its a disaster for sdk stuff Apr 12 04:09:55 its actuallyu hard/impossible to build stuff exaclty as you want it Apr 12 04:10:13 depends on the type of app you're creating Apr 12 04:10:19 I've been very happy with webos sdk Apr 12 04:10:28 but i'm building more primitive apps on this platform Apr 12 04:10:31 anything with sounds playing in a remotely responsive manner Apr 12 04:10:36 eg, games etc Apr 12 04:10:44 html media elemts suck major wang Apr 12 04:13:18 ron_frown: ah that i haven't dealt with much Apr 12 04:13:42 wonder what palm going forsale means for webos dev Apr 12 04:13:44 or webos in general Apr 12 04:15:07 yeah Apr 12 04:15:22 good question for webos developer day in a couple weekends Apr 12 04:23:41 bpadalino: hehe that should be interesting Apr 12 04:48:29 hi, bloomberg just said palm's on the auction block, will my pre be supported? Apr 12 04:48:53 what do you mean ? Apr 12 04:49:05 you want your pre to be part of the deal ? Apr 12 04:49:43 palm is being offered for sale, will my pre continue to function should webos be liquidated? Apr 12 04:49:59 nothing has happened yet Apr 12 04:50:20 they say bidding may begin this week Apr 12 04:50:23 i'm sure they'll be supporting it if they do liquidate the os. i dont think they will zap webos though Apr 12 04:50:28 i imagine any answer you get will be as absurd as johnny carson with that big turban Apr 12 04:50:31 but.. right now, nobody knows anything Apr 12 04:51:21 what's the worst case scenerio? Apr 12 04:51:22 EdsPre: we were just discussing the bloomberg thing before you joined, btw Apr 12 04:51:28 lol Apr 12 04:51:35 EdsPre: i don't know. Apr 12 04:52:08 it will keep working, eh? Apr 12 04:52:48 they will erase your device immediately upon sale Apr 12 04:52:51 and demand $10 Apr 12 04:52:57 lol Apr 12 04:53:11 maybe they will send out an update that rickrolls everyone Apr 12 04:53:26 I mean, if palms servers go down, what happens? Apr 12 04:53:42 you don't sync your palm profile i guess ? Apr 12 04:53:58 I sync to google? Apr 12 04:54:02 sure Apr 12 04:54:42 ok, that's a small relief. no more app catalog too I guess Apr 12 04:54:54 but you can still sideload with no issues Apr 12 04:55:01 and homebrew would probably still thrive Apr 12 04:55:09 cool Apr 12 04:55:51 also I'd feel better about voiding my warrenty by overclocking ;) Apr 12 04:57:48 I guess I should be used to abandoned tech, I have a Palm TX and a nokia n810... :) Apr 12 04:59:48 has anyone in Palm here heard anything? Apr 12 05:01:17 guess not :) Apr 12 05:01:20 Anyone in here? Apr 12 05:01:28 yes Apr 12 05:01:43 hehe yeah my palm TX is still sitting here collecting dust Apr 12 05:01:43 i don't think we have any executives from palm in this channel Apr 12 05:01:58 love the palm tx, but haven't touched it since the pre Apr 12 05:02:06 there are engineers here Apr 12 05:02:09 What are everyone's thoughts on the "Palm is for Sale" thing? Apr 12 05:02:14 What is the complement to this.$.searchField.fetchModelProperty("value"); for updating the value? Apr 12 05:02:52 kesne: with as poorly as their stock has been, I guess it's a good thing someone might buy them Apr 12 05:02:52 kesne: i hope they aren't sold and can get through it .. Apr 12 05:03:09 it's good to know people are interested in them and they aren't a graveyard Apr 12 05:03:11 jjore1: ask htc and lenovo what they think the value is. ;) Apr 12 05:04:15 It's funny, all of my Palm contacts just went off-radar Apr 12 05:05:56 I sync to google, had too many bad experiences with mobile me-ss to be able to trust small-time clouds with my data Apr 12 05:06:07 I have the idea that if I can figure out how to read ares.js, it might have that API in it. Apr 12 05:06:35 Currently just searching to see where I can find a copy of that Apr 12 06:11:33 dkirker: any comments on the Palm auction? Apr 12 06:12:18 EdsPre: I don't have any. Nope. Apr 12 06:12:27 ok Apr 12 06:12:50 wow, wirc has notifications :) Apr 12 06:13:26 I'll miss webos should someone discontinue it after the sale. Apr 12 06:15:20 * dkirker wasn't aware that Palm was for sale... Apr 12 06:15:29 This rumor stuff confuses me... Apr 12 06:23:31 nobody was ;) Apr 12 06:38:18 a guy i know even said that HP was going to buy palm. something i like even less than dell buying it Apr 12 06:45:46 is there any company that isnt involved in that rumor? ;) Apr 12 06:46:08 ok, burger king Apr 12 06:46:12 but who knows Apr 12 06:46:25 as long as that scary "king" stays away.... Apr 12 06:46:35 dell said they werent interested as far as my take on the article Apr 12 06:47:12 palm should have released on better more glamorous hardware and they would be in a much better place right now Apr 12 06:47:39 I dunno... Except for the lack of microSD, I think that the Pre is pretty glamorous Apr 12 06:48:05 I dont Apr 12 06:48:08 keyboard is le crappy Apr 12 06:48:50 if they keyboard was going to be that crappy they should have just done away with it and went straight sofware with a better bigger screen Apr 12 06:48:55 its like android on the g1 Apr 12 06:49:11 it was a terrible phone for debuting the os on cosmetically and performance Apr 12 06:51:09 I think the keyboard is a definite improvement over the Treo Pro's keyboard Apr 12 06:51:22 and I really love the way that the Pre holds Apr 12 06:51:43 I like the os Apr 12 06:51:48 I've got a pixi plus Apr 12 06:51:52 it holds well too Apr 12 06:51:59 but the screen could DEFINAETLY be a lot bigger Apr 12 06:52:13 I think the os is pretty great and sdk in general was really well done Apr 12 06:52:16 but little things lacking huge Apr 12 06:52:19 eg, html media Apr 12 06:52:27 the performance of handling a click event is real slow Apr 12 06:52:37 and pdk is a bit questionable Apr 12 06:52:48 hence its beta state Apr 12 06:53:15 i am a little bit disappointed at the lack of completely 100% stable html/js conformance .. especially since it's called _webOS_ Apr 12 06:53:21 well I've heard that they dont know if it'll even run on both phones when they had planned releasing it Apr 12 06:53:33 bpadalino: whats not standard Apr 12 06:53:54 ron_frown: the mobile site of nytimes.com wouldn't scroll in the 1.4.0 release Apr 12 06:54:34 ahh Apr 12 06:54:44 technically i don't know what happened, but it's a very popular website and it didn't work :( Apr 12 06:54:45 yeah I think the 1.4 stuff seems less I dont know... Apr 12 06:54:47 release quality Apr 12 06:54:52 I cant blame them Apr 12 06:54:54 1.4.1.1 seems very solid for me so far Apr 12 06:54:55 software can be tricky Apr 12 06:55:05 * dkirker is still waiting on Verizon... Apr 12 06:55:11 for? Apr 12 06:55:16 1.4.1.1 Apr 12 06:55:20 unless I missed something Apr 12 06:55:25 has vzw not released 1.4.1 ? Apr 12 06:55:45 I thought I had it on my pixiplus Apr 12 06:55:45 1.4.1.1 was only for sprint i thought .. to change the NFL app to Sprint Football or something Apr 12 06:56:17 nope, no 1.4.1 on VZW yet. Apr 12 06:56:40 interesting Apr 12 06:56:53 it's nice of vzw to include mobile hotspot for free Apr 12 06:57:02 i gotta say that's quite a nice feature Apr 12 06:57:03 yes Apr 12 06:57:14 though I think that I need to get that feature turned on... Apr 12 06:59:37 well I've had that on my phone for a relaly long time Apr 12 06:59:46 since I got it probably 5mo ago Apr 12 07:12:15 hi there Apr 12 07:12:19 wow wow wow.. Apr 12 07:12:23 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=arvXvuu.DqW4 Apr 12 07:12:27 Palm for sale ? Apr 12 07:20:35 old news Apr 12 07:22:44 old news ? well, posted today ;) Apr 12 07:23:00 of course there gas been rumours for quite sometime Apr 12 07:23:22 but nothing like this Apr 12 07:25:21 hehe yeah Apr 12 07:25:43 i mean... postet like 20x today ;) Apr 12 07:25:55 postet/asked Apr 12 07:30:16 ah, right :) Apr 12 07:30:18 ok :) Apr 12 07:30:26 wasn't up today Apr 12 07:30:32 was digging into webos code lol Apr 12 07:30:40 didn't see the light of day (or irc for that matter) Apr 12 07:43:21 :D Apr 12 08:30:01 how do I pass something into a new scene Apr 12 08:30:13 I thought it was just call scenes constructor with name, myparam1 Apr 12 08:30:18 then deal with myparam1 Apr 12 10:41:25 good question.. Apr 12 14:53:12 quiet in here. Everybody jumped ship since Palm is on the auction block? Apr 12 14:54:42 as I said yesterday, Palm just needs to not disappear before the EVO comes out >.> Apr 12 14:59:43 evo =? Apr 12 14:59:50 the sprint 4g thingy? Apr 12 15:00:55 yea Apr 12 15:01:18 it's always quiet in here, with random spurts of chatter. Apr 12 15:02:08 * haeffb_pre would hate to have to switch to any other mobile OS. Apr 12 15:02:25 same here. Apr 12 15:02:32 Oh I'll miss webos Apr 12 15:02:44 well, a buy out would clearly mean the end of webos.. at least as we know it Apr 12 15:03:00 but android's advanced quite a bit, even webos's staple tech like synergy is becoming less unique Apr 12 15:04:04 what is androids methid of switching apps? Apr 12 15:04:30 I don't know, never used it :p Apr 12 15:04:53 the card metaphor is jusy so brilliant. Apr 12 15:05:28 I'll miss the notification system Apr 12 15:06:58 well, this isn't surprising Apr 12 15:07:17 the problem is that palm failed to use at as an advantage to sell more phones.. Apr 12 15:07:22 and now, well.. it's too late.. Apr 12 15:15:01 anroid you just go to homescreen and pick another app Apr 12 15:15:17 its not real clear than an app is running or not Apr 12 15:15:35 if you quit an app, go launch another, and then relaunch the first app... if it hasnt been killed by os Apr 12 15:15:39 it'll resume state you had before Apr 12 15:17:34 you can have multitasking on android though, I thought Apr 12 15:17:41 yeah Apr 12 15:17:43 you can Apr 12 15:17:55 ust no real clear method of switching from one to the next Apr 12 15:18:08 writing a service that stays connected to a network or play sound in the background is cake Apr 12 15:18:29 ah k Apr 12 15:19:22 * haeffb_pre doesn't like it. sounds like WM. Apr 12 15:21:26 actually is kinda like that Apr 12 15:21:49 but I think the reason why is that apps if they violate any number of rules set forth by android the app might get killed immediately or some time later Apr 12 15:21:52 to start an app Apr 12 15:22:10 then later try and get back to it from a tast switcher, when the app has since closed... would be confusing Apr 12 15:22:29 actually, you hold the home button Apr 12 15:22:35 and it shows you all teh apps that are running Apr 12 15:22:43 thats just recent apps list is what I was told Apr 12 15:23:15 and if it is whats running Apr 12 15:23:15 *shrug* Apr 12 15:23:24 it'd be EASY to build something better to do the switching Apr 12 15:23:28 thats just what this android dev video said :p Apr 12 15:23:30 thats the beauty of android Apr 12 15:23:34 and yeah Apr 12 15:23:40 I wonder if EVO will have any HTC magic for that Apr 12 15:23:42 I dont like this sms app Apr 12 15:23:46 lets go write a new one Apr 12 15:23:51 and swap out the stocker Apr 12 15:24:13 lemketron: Been here? http://www.tiedhouse.com/ ? Apr 12 15:29:31 would HTC abandon webOS or play it against WM & android? Apr 12 15:50:23 haeffb_pre: i think they'd use it Apr 12 15:50:54 haeffb_pre: i think they'd be happy to have their /own/ OS. and might even push android off some of their hardware in favor of webos Apr 12 15:51:03 which would be great, imo Apr 12 15:51:45 webOS on HTC hardware would be nice. Apr 12 15:53:58 good mroning, all. anything interesting happen in Palm land over the weekend? Apr 12 15:55:58 uh, no, why do you ask? Apr 12 15:56:29 who will sign your paycheck this Friday? Apr 12 16:04:37 evening Apr 12 16:05:55 ping roy-pre101 Apr 12 16:16:29 I don't see any changes any time soon. this stuff happens. Apr 12 16:16:50 * sugardave is buying Palm. Apr 12 16:17:29 sugardave: no, im buying it. Apr 12 16:17:50 * sugardave prepares the Eliminator./ Apr 12 16:17:56 haeffb_pre: lol Apr 12 16:18:50 hey chuqui .. can i have your office chair before it goes on ebay? :) Apr 12 16:18:52 chuqui: it's interesting stuff for sure, we're all anxious to see how it plays out Apr 12 16:19:13 swisstomcat: aww Apr 12 16:19:15 shipping charges to switzerland for the chair would be more than buying one local... Apr 12 16:19:28 i'll pick it up after the developer day Apr 12 16:19:34 haha Apr 12 16:19:41 but you have to sign it for me Apr 12 16:19:47 happily! Apr 12 16:20:00 "chuq's butt was here" Apr 12 16:20:13 jokes aside .. all those rumours are not good for prospective developers Apr 12 16:20:14 In other news: Chuqui's sale of his office chair puts Palm in the green for the first quarter in years. Apr 12 16:20:30 hehe .. especially a signed one Apr 12 16:20:33 VincentLaw: hahaha ouch Apr 12 16:20:44 swisstomcat: why are theynot good for devs? Apr 12 16:20:54 swisstomcat: depending on what happens, it might be great Apr 12 16:21:12 pandora: uncertainity of a platform is not something a prospective developer needs Apr 12 16:21:32 it's all rumours but it's being talked about like it's true Apr 12 16:21:54 It'll be interesting to see if we lose some momentum with all of this. too early to be sure, but I haven't seen it. rate of people signing up has been fine. Apr 12 16:22:29 current developers might not be affected .. i'm not Apr 12 16:22:34 ya i doubt your casual Sprint/Verizon/etc customer walking into a store knows or cares much about it Apr 12 16:22:45 not so sure about that Apr 12 16:22:53 "did you hear that palm is going to be sold" Apr 12 16:22:54 'casual' Apr 12 16:23:02 not the business clients Apr 12 16:23:11 ok, the people that buy Pixi's Apr 12 16:23:14 they won't care Apr 12 16:23:16 :P Apr 12 16:23:26 oh well, not much we can do about it Apr 12 16:24:31 btw, everyone still coming to the developer days should indicate as such here: http://doodle.com/8wvkve2cs4pgrvfu Apr 12 16:24:42 the thing to do is to keep trying to make sure what needs to happen happens.... Apr 12 16:24:50 that's how I'm looking at it. Apr 12 16:24:51 especially if you're arriving earlier/staying longer ... so we can arrange some meetups Apr 12 16:25:04 or sightseeing Apr 12 16:25:10 what now? Apr 12 16:25:12 who died? Apr 12 16:25:29 no one died Apr 12 16:25:36 Damn.... Apr 12 16:25:43 nothing to see here, move along Apr 12 16:25:48 keep developing :) Apr 12 16:26:10 bbiab Apr 12 16:43:59 chuqui: I was planning on getting some shirts that said 'Don't #$q with Chuq' and wear them to the developer day. Apr 12 16:44:10 heh Apr 12 16:44:26 Have you ever been to: http://www.tiedhouse.com/ ? Apr 12 16:44:27 I'm just a friendly little teddie bear... Apr 12 16:44:38 well, not so little, actually. Apr 12 16:44:41 lulz Apr 12 16:44:44 Would that be a good place for a Thursday get together? Apr 12 16:44:49 tied house is pretty good. Apr 12 16:45:11 swisstomcat: ping Apr 12 16:45:18 tied house is nice Apr 12 16:45:28 we have palm lunches there from time to time Apr 12 16:45:52 swisstomcat: What do you think of that for Thur. night? Apr 12 16:45:58 geist: Would you join us there? Apr 12 16:46:26 might be able to Apr 12 16:46:35 will have to check out my busy calendar (kidding) Apr 12 16:53:30 damn i was just in mountain view last week! Apr 12 16:53:35 i'm so going there next time Apr 12 16:53:37 Roy-Pre101: thx :) Apr 12 16:55:42 :) Apr 12 16:57:35 i want guiness Apr 12 16:57:42 and mash Apr 12 17:01:45 pong roy-pre101 Apr 12 17:02:02 swisstomcat: You see that link? Look good? Apr 12 17:02:09 looking at it Apr 12 17:02:23 wawawaaaaaa Apr 12 17:02:41 nothing with san francisco sightseeing? Apr 12 17:02:50 not much people signed up for that doodle poll Apr 12 17:03:05 Doodle poll wont load for me Apr 12 17:03:07 stupid wifi Apr 12 17:03:22 I'l game for SF, just wondering if people will make it. Ask chuqui and geist. Apr 12 17:03:49 SF should be saturday night Apr 12 17:04:09 chuqui? Apr 12 17:04:21 He died n a fire Apr 12 17:04:22 tiedhouse looks great for dinner .. yummy food Apr 12 17:04:39 I did? Apr 12 17:04:44 Yes Apr 12 17:04:49 what about a tech stroll through silicon valley before dinner? Apr 12 17:04:49 Twice Apr 12 17:04:59 oh. then I better go lie down. Apr 12 17:05:11 chuqui: we're thinking about some san francisco sightseeing before dinner ... for example harbour cruise Apr 12 17:05:50 or something like that and then go for dinner Apr 12 17:06:18 mmm, those tiedhouse burgers sound nice :) Apr 12 17:06:19 see, if it was saturday more people could join! Apr 12 17:06:33 another possibility Apr 12 17:06:43 on sat instead of thurs Apr 12 17:06:58 wait, or friday Apr 12 17:07:04 can you put up the poll at your site too, roy-pre101 Apr 12 17:07:09 I meant friday, not sat Apr 12 17:07:12 oh Apr 12 17:07:13 My days are messed up Apr 12 17:07:25 Not sure what Palm has planned for Fri. night. Apr 12 17:07:28 wasn't there something official planned for that day Apr 12 17:07:31 Or Sat. night, for that matter. Apr 12 17:07:33 no idea Apr 12 17:07:37 was there? Apr 12 17:07:39 topless bars :) Apr 12 17:08:25 who'd be up for sightseeing? Apr 12 17:08:43 I would as long as its not thursday Apr 12 17:09:40 saturday should work too i guess Apr 12 17:09:53 for people that are still in town Apr 12 17:15:19 hey rick Apr 12 17:16:48 hey Apr 12 17:16:51 what's new? Apr 12 17:17:33 we're trying to figure out what to do on thursday before the dev days Apr 12 17:17:47 like sightseeing and then dinner Apr 12 17:18:08 Right. Good question. Apr 12 17:18:36 and whether we should wear HTC shirts or Lenovo shirts Apr 12 17:18:51 hehe Apr 12 17:19:06 or if we should do something on saturday when more people are around Apr 12 17:20:08 i'd be up for something either day Apr 12 17:20:32 everyone, please fill out the poll at http://doodle.com/8wvkve2cs4pgrvfu Apr 12 17:20:48 btw: doodle is swiss-made :) Apr 12 17:20:54 Oh, htc shirts by all means, or apple shirts Apr 12 17:21:41 so how do i install this webos on my new htc desire? Apr 12 17:22:04 :) Apr 12 17:23:43 the tech news sites seem to prefer bad palm news Apr 12 17:26:56 orly? Apr 12 17:33:19 sells Apr 12 17:33:50 hmm? Apr 12 17:33:51 wow palm is at 6.14 now Apr 12 17:34:00 (stock) Apr 12 17:34:10 someone pumping the stock with false news? Apr 12 17:34:27 although i haven't heard many outright denials yet Apr 12 17:34:30 crazy. if only i put my tax return into palm 2 weeks ago Apr 12 17:34:33 damnit Apr 12 17:36:11 just keep a short stop if you buy it cause it could go down $2 any moment Apr 12 17:37:49 keep developing instead of playing stock games ... Apr 12 17:41:50 wonder which one makes the easier money =D Apr 12 17:42:58 gotta wonder why Palm allows an app maker to make 25 different apps that are exactly the same like "Flo Rida song lyrics" "Hannah Montana Song Lyrics" that is really messy Apr 12 17:43:10 makes for a poor user experience in the app store Apr 12 17:43:24 brighthouse labs? Apr 12 17:44:31 whoever the devs are that make the 40 apps that are the same like the NHL/NFL apps per team, ugh Apr 12 17:46:19 they should make it so that if a company has the exact same app 40 times that it just brings up a menu when you push on the one app Apr 12 17:47:14 how can they afford paying 40 times the $50 app review fee? it's not that those apps sell like hot cakes? Apr 12 17:47:51 don't know but its damn annoying to look at in the app catalog Apr 12 17:54:20 you guys could go geocaching in San Fran...there are some good ones in very sight-see-y areas Apr 12 17:55:07 I recommend that you don't go much further than 5-6 blocks west of Union Square, though...can get pretty sketchy in some places Apr 12 17:55:28 really Apr 12 17:55:38 didn't seem like that the last time i was there Apr 12 17:55:46 yeah, Mission District is a transient haven Apr 12 17:55:47 9 years ago Apr 12 17:56:14 I went for a walk to find a credit union that sistered with mine Apr 12 17:56:18 it was....an experience Apr 12 17:57:13 * sugardave wishes he was going to Dev Days. "Maybe there will be another one." Apr 12 17:59:01 sugardave: the next one will be in china at htc ;) Apr 12 18:25:10 good evening Apr 12 18:28:57 swisstomcat: how do you work with help text? directly in the scene html or over strings.json and with $(helptext).update...? Apr 12 18:29:08 hallo noaXess Apr 12 18:29:42 i started with translated html but i think it's easier with $L and update the innerHTML of the html Apr 12 18:30:03 * haeffb_pre remembers he's waiting on a translation... Apr 12 18:30:05 ok.. and the whole text in the strings.json file Apr 12 18:30:10 that way you don't have the same html in different languages laying around Apr 12 18:30:27 * swisstomcat remembers too :) Apr 12 18:30:45 noaXess: yes, that's how preware does it .. seems elegant Apr 12 18:30:54 * haeffb_pre signals he's not in a hurry Apr 12 18:31:08 we can work on it at the dev day, haeffb Apr 12 18:31:27 much better than trying to maintain multiple html's Apr 12 18:31:35 yes Apr 12 18:31:42 so is my idea Apr 12 18:32:08 let's do it.. Apr 12 18:32:11 * haeffb_pre likely won't be there, but feel free to grab any other developer to help... Apr 12 18:33:05 the strings.json is finished .. just need to hunt down various other text in the html Apr 12 18:33:10 unless you can do that? Apr 12 18:33:32 I can do that. Apr 12 18:33:39 anyone know how to block the escape gesture? Apr 12 18:33:48 I want to build a kids app Apr 12 18:34:00 and prevent kids form effin about in the phones menus or dialing people or anything Apr 12 18:34:03 haeffb: that be great .. hunting down takes more time than translating Apr 12 18:34:06 I can recognize any remaining english. I just can't write German Apr 12 18:34:29 let me do the german part Apr 12 18:34:54 Mojo.Event.back ? Apr 12 18:34:57 ron_frown: i saw that another app blocks gestures ... rockus animals? Apr 12 18:35:15 ron_frown: guess you could catch any gestures and just do nothing Apr 12 18:38:08 I saw it in developer forums once Apr 12 18:38:12 but cant seem to find it Apr 12 18:39:34 i think forum search is broken :( Apr 12 18:39:44 it just sucks Apr 12 18:42:16 in strings.json file, how can i add text with more lines? Apr 12 18:43:14 noaXess: in the english part or the translated part? Apr 12 18:44:08 ??.. no.. so.. strings.json looks like: "HelpText" : "help test... examples,..... in more lines.." Apr 12 18:44:50 but then it would show up at "HelpText" in the english version of the app Apr 12 18:44:53 as Apr 12 18:45:52 it was by some dudes name I think Apr 12 18:46:11 hm.. howcan i explain.. Apr 12 18:47:08 try in german Apr 12 18:47:49 noaXess: add
to the string? Apr 12 18:47:51 if i have a long long help test... how can i put it into strings.json in more lines?.. wie kann ich einen langen text im strings.json file in mehreren zeilen darstellen Apr 12 18:48:20 haeffb_pre: that i now... but can i use simple ENTER in the JSON file.. or something like \.. Apr 12 18:48:51 "HelpText" : "this text...
Apr 12 18:48:51 other text
Apr 12 18:48:51 next text", Apr 12 18:48:59 i see Apr 12 18:49:03 oh. don't think so. look up JSON spec. Apr 12 18:50:01 $L("value":"original string", "key":"string_key" works too ... strings.json looks like this in that case: "string_key": "localized text" Apr 12 18:50:32 that way you can choose a short keyname instead of a long text Apr 12 18:51:30 noaXess: for long help texts i'd probably go the localized html route Apr 12 18:51:45 instead of $L Apr 12 18:52:15 localized html route? Apr 12 18:52:29 have localized html files for a help scene Apr 12 18:52:57 resources\de\views\help\help-scene.html Apr 12 18:53:04 so have one html file for each language.. hm.. Apr 12 18:53:19 yes, but just for long text like a help section Apr 12 18:53:26 i think Apr 12 18:54:08 and how to use them? Apr 12 18:55:05 copy the html out of the app\views\scene-x directory into resources\de\views\scene-x Apr 12 18:55:17 translate it .. done Apr 12 18:58:25 so if there is no resource language file for the device locale, it uses the file in app\views\scen.. right? Apr 12 18:58:38 correct Apr 12 19:12:34 damn it Apr 12 19:12:44 cant find it for the life of me Apr 12 19:12:49 anyone else tried to prevent back gesture Apr 12 19:13:51 have you tried google to search for it? Apr 12 19:30:25 boomshakalakalaka Apr 12 19:31:06 boing boing Apr 12 19:31:19 thats what she said Apr 12 20:03:40 ron_frown: Easy to trap back gesture Apr 12 20:04:50 if (event.type === Mojo.Event.back) { Apr 12 20:04:51 In your handleCommand Apr 12 20:05:08 Do an event.stop() and maybe an event.stopPropagation() Apr 12 20:08:04 pong Apr 12 20:08:22 Roy-Pre101 you were truying to find me? Apr 12 20:08:56 Rick_work: Just trying to see if you were up for something Thursday night. Apr 12 20:08:57 just paid $1800 in state and fed income taxes. :( Apr 12 20:09:02 ouch Apr 12 20:09:07 thur night abso-freaking lutely. Apr 12 20:09:16 This isn't good... Apr 12 20:09:26 Our quickbooks file got corrupted during a power failure. Apr 12 20:09:35 that is bad. Apr 12 20:09:39 I did a restore of the backup. Apr 12 20:09:43 When is your most recent backup? Apr 12 20:09:44 Rick_work: ouch Apr 12 20:09:55 And I go to the directory I restored to... the file isn't there. Apr 12 20:10:11 It shows it restoring but the destination directory is empty. Apr 12 20:10:44 that is also bad. Apr 12 20:10:50 Where is the backup stored? Apr 12 20:11:42 did you delete the corrupted file before you attempted the restore? Apr 12 20:15:46 Roy-Pre101??? Apr 12 20:16:45 ? sorry, was on the other machine Apr 12 20:17:12 Backups are on the server machine on a secondary drive. Apr 12 20:17:25 I didn't delete the corrupt files because I restored to alternate location. Apr 12 20:17:35 Unless, of course, the restore didn't actually go to the other location. Apr 12 20:18:45 Nevermind. Apr 12 20:18:56 It turns out I'm just a retard and it created the whole directory structure in the new place. Apr 12 20:21:33 well.... Apr 12 20:22:07 That's the damndest thing... Apr 12 20:22:16 I rebooted the server and the corrup file is no longer corrupt. Apr 12 20:22:23 I accidently opened the old one instead of the restore. Apr 12 20:22:27 And it's fine. Apr 12 20:23:02 heh Apr 12 20:23:03 Can I get some twilight zone music? Apr 12 20:23:04 whew Apr 12 20:28:48 hi all Apr 12 20:31:52 JenP: Howdy Apr 12 20:32:03 Hi roy Apr 12 20:32:41 * pandora-- waves Apr 12 20:32:54 * JenP waves back Apr 12 20:35:54 pretty sure it's sandwich time... Apr 12 20:36:45 peanut butter jelly and a baseball bat? Apr 12 20:37:37 mmmmmm that sounds good Apr 12 20:42:29 rehi Apr 12 20:43:21 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=26706#p26706 Apr 12 21:26:55 g'night everyone Apr 12 21:33:00 yo Apr 12 21:33:04 hot apps leaderboard is up Apr 12 21:33:05 AND Apr 12 21:33:14 they freakin extended the deadline to june 30!!! Apr 12 21:33:19 wth Apr 12 21:37:42 lively group today Apr 12 21:39:11 codeslaw Apr 12 21:39:29 greetings Apr 12 21:39:55 and salutations Apr 12 21:40:10 who's winning? Apr 12 21:45:06 top free app is Helicopter Game Apr 12 21:45:20 top paid is YouView Visual Voicemail Apr 12 21:45:23 http://palmhotapps.com/index.jsp Apr 12 21:48:16 * haeffb_pre 192 Apr 12 21:48:29 in the money! Apr 12 21:48:42 so far. Apr 12 21:48:56 market Apr 12 21:49:47 or do like some of the other guys (helicopter, mazer, guns of war) and spam useless updates that don't change anything every single time you get the last update approved, to stay on top of the recent list Apr 12 21:49:54 I just saw that...AND I see someone bettered Mind Master because they can do (or pay for) fancy graphics....bastards Apr 12 21:50:06 =( Apr 12 21:50:16 yeah thats what happened with my slot machine game Apr 12 21:50:30 a "prettier" slot machine game came out and it got all the sales, despite mine having all the features >.> Apr 12 21:50:40 that's okay...I gave up on the prizes soon after they were announced Apr 12 21:50:48 well guys...like in life...looks matter Apr 12 21:50:57 i know...so shallow... Apr 12 21:51:38 * sugardave wonders how many downloads a devleloper library "app" would garner. Apr 12 21:58:08 Bmyers_pre: three spots ahead, but I'm gunning for you... Apr 12 21:58:31 haeffb_pre: I'm confused by a part of viewMenu Apr 12 21:59:23 which part? Apr 12 21:59:36 There is an items in an items Apr 12 22:00:02 What does the content of the first items{[ represent Apr 12 22:00:30 To be clearer Apr 12 22:00:33 blank group. to center the second group Apr 12 22:01:00 Oh, so it's {}, {stuff}, {} Apr 12 22:01:54 hey, anyone have a sec to help me with WebView? Apr 12 22:02:19 haeffb_pre: ok, in my center/second group, I have two things, toggleCmd, and items[] (which has my labels in it), what's the significance of toggleCmd, is it made to trigger an event? Apr 12 22:03:08 right. Apr 12 22:03:41 Ok, and can I decide what that event is based on the labels? Is that bit of code "built in"? I'm not used to working with languages where things are triggerd by predefined functions (that I didn't #include, heh) Apr 12 22:04:03 it makes the group into a set of toggles...with the default set to your toggleCmd value. Apr 12 22:04:10 How would that "case" look in my switch(event.command) ? Apr 12 22:04:46 OH Apr 12 22:04:46 each item has a command: property Apr 12 22:05:01 haeffb_pre: and those items are identified by their label? Apr 12 22:05:10 oh nevermind Apr 12 22:05:14 that's what command: is for Apr 12 22:05:42 so i can do command:a and command:b, and then in my switch(event.command) i can do case 'a' and case 'b'? Apr 12 22:05:53 er, case 'a': and case 'b': Apr 12 22:07:24 yep Apr 12 22:08:07 It just seems too simple Apr 12 22:08:12 That seems to be my issue with mojo. Apr 12 22:10:43 like I said earlier, don't go spreading that around Apr 12 22:11:48 "Mojo is VERY DIFFICULT." Apr 12 22:11:53 * sugardave sweeps zsoc under the rug. Apr 12 22:12:39 i must say Apr 12 22:12:42 it's quite dark in here Apr 12 22:12:53 "You are likely to be eaten by a grue." Apr 12 22:13:44 * sugardave eats nacho cheese Doritos for the first time in over a year. "Man, these are good." Apr 12 22:14:43 * zsoc is eaten by a grue Apr 12 22:14:46 just my luck Apr 12 22:15:26 * sugardave is ashamed. "I never finished a Zork game." Apr 12 22:15:30 That remind me. I need to find 40 hours to play the new Shin Megami Tensei for DS. It's old school style (not any of that Persona or Demon Hunter garbage), and it uses the etrian oddysy engine for dungeon crawling goodness. Apr 12 22:15:42 I bought it. I just have no idea when I'm going to play it. Apr 12 22:16:01 sounds fun...my daughter has a DS lite, scribblenauts has been my favorite so far Apr 12 22:16:21 scribblenauts is pretty awesome, plus there is a long cat. Apr 12 22:16:29 I'm playing FFXIII on PS3 right now (well, not RIGHT now) Apr 12 22:16:44 Yeah, me too.. it's just so.. I don't know. I'm like 15 hours in. it's getting /better/ sort of. Apr 12 22:16:54 what chapter? Apr 12 22:17:01 I have no idea. Apr 12 22:17:15 I still can't make my own battle groups Apr 12 22:17:26 yeah, I can....just at the very end of ch 10 Apr 12 22:17:37 then in ch 11, it's supposed to be wide-open Apr 12 22:17:40 Sony was like, "Hey I have an idea. Lets make a game where you have to hit L1... A LOT!" Apr 12 22:17:44 I just got to where everyone can be any of the roles Apr 12 22:17:50 zsoc: hahaha Apr 12 22:18:15 "Hmm.. can you play this game /without/ hitting L1?"... "Sure! But YOU DIE! THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT!" Apr 12 22:18:43 * sugardave hits L1 a lot. Apr 12 22:18:50 usually because I have crappy paradigms set up Apr 12 22:19:41 hahaha, i actually got a bit good at that. Apr 12 22:19:52 I don't know, I've just played so many /great/ games that aren't terribly popular. This game is so.. average. Apr 12 22:20:10 I'm getting better at it...finally decided to upgrade a couple of weapons Apr 12 22:20:32 I think 13 is better than 10, which is the last one I played Apr 12 22:20:39 I wasn't terribly impressed with 10 Apr 12 22:20:55 I played X-2 years and years ago. I /still/ want that 20 hours of my life back. Apr 12 22:21:06 zsoc: what's a good RPG for PS3 that I wouldn't know about? Apr 12 22:21:34 sugardave: "good" is subjective. I think Disgaea 3 is one of the best games of the decade, but it's highly argued on both sides. I would look at reviews. You love it or you hate it. Apr 12 22:21:57 PS3 doesn't have a lot that impresses me... Little Big Planet is really fun, especially online. Apr 12 22:22:02 alright, I'v also got Dragon Age:Origins and White Knight Chronicles on my gamefly list Apr 12 22:22:03 And Flowers is pretty unique. Apr 12 22:22:08 I love LBP Apr 12 22:22:15 but they pissed me off, so I don't play much Apr 12 22:22:22 Yeah, those 2 games you got on that list are probably a bit better than FF imo Apr 12 22:22:29 cool Apr 12 22:22:43 I've got Uncharted 2 and Mini-Ninjas from the right now Apr 12 22:22:48 Uncharted 2 is awesome Apr 12 22:22:55 yes, yes it is Apr 12 22:22:59 I need to play more of it. Apr 12 22:23:21 sugardave: Oh, and if you don't mind a bit of violence, Yakuza 3 is amazing from a technical/gameplay standpoint (although i'm unsure when it releases) Apr 12 22:23:21 I went through once on normal...will probably buy it and try a run on crushing Apr 12 22:23:44 I like a little gameplay with my violence, that'll work :D Apr 12 22:24:46 oh, it is released, look at that Apr 12 22:26:16 and then Yakuza 4 is supposed to be out right after? weird Apr 12 22:26:39 in case you haven't seen it: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2010/04/hot-apps-leader-board-now-available-hot-apps-extended-to-june-30/ Apr 12 22:26:55 chuqui: we saw :s Apr 12 22:30:29 when the hot apps thing was first announced, i thought the text that said "top 20 in each category" was referring to the actual category the app was under in the app catalog Apr 12 22:30:51 hehe, ooops Apr 12 22:32:05 brilliant me, eh? Apr 12 22:32:35 so, in webview, what would the url of a local file look like? Apr 12 22:33:48 haeffb_pre: pardon me for a "rtfm" question... but in js, are variable types decided by content or quotes? ie, would value = 1; make it an int and value = "1"; make it a string/char ? Apr 12 22:34:21 zsoc: By contents. Apr 12 22:34:37 Roy-Pre101: so "1" is always an int? Apr 12 22:34:41 And it will silently coerce things in confusing and painful ways. Apr 12 22:34:46 Oh... no. Apr 12 22:34:51 '1' is a string Apr 12 22:34:56 "1" is a string. I see what you mean by 'contents' now. Apr 12 22:35:01 sorry :) Apr 12 22:35:12 It -may- coerce a string to an int for you. Apr 12 22:35:25 So if I specifically want to pass an int in json, I need to drop quotes from all of my values right? Apr 12 22:35:32 yes. Apr 12 22:35:37 kk ty Apr 12 22:36:01 Fun things like "12 + 12 = "1212" always excite me with Javascript. Apr 12 22:36:06 Fun things like "12" + 12 = "1212" always excite me with Javascript. Apr 12 22:36:20 hahaha Apr 12 22:36:48 Roy-Pre101: btw i'm using your voodoo magic for the persistent preferences you originally cooked up last year, i'll leave your copyright notice on it Apr 12 22:36:59 OK Apr 12 22:37:34 it looks like it plays with some magical cookies, and i'd rather avoid rewriting it, lol. I appreciate your graciousness. Apr 12 23:11:00 farking POS laptop dies in the middle of copying 10 GB images to my class machines....hooray for starting over! Apr 12 23:11:50 I really hope it dies in the middle of teaching this week....gee, boss, sorry all the students are pissed, but this POS that you won't replace is dying Apr 12 23:45:15 Hmm.. error: Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'getActiveStageController', app/assistants/stage-assistant.js:26 Apr 12 23:45:40 line 26 is var stageController = this.controller.getActiveStageController(); Apr 12 23:45:47 bpadalino: !!!!!!111///one Apr 12 23:46:28 sorry .. i was updating irc clients Apr 12 23:47:11 bpadalino: oh, i didn't realize you are normally here. I was more !!!!'ing at your presence Apr 12 23:47:18 ah Apr 12 23:47:20 i am normally here Apr 12 23:47:26 i see now :> Apr 12 23:47:28 i just don't say much Apr 12 23:47:29 ssshhhh Apr 12 23:53:58 ok, i am definitely breaking something :/ Apr 12 23:54:51 zsoc: the long way: Mojo.Controller.getActiveStageController(); Apr 12 23:55:16 I guess it's not much longer, is it? Apr 12 23:55:32 heh Apr 12 23:55:36 my cases are totally messed up tho Apr 12 23:55:43 I'm sending one event and getting the result of another Apr 12 23:55:50 bad mojo Apr 12 23:56:22 wait, I might have done something wrong, please standby Apr 12 23:56:31 no it's not from that Apr 12 23:56:38 i'm not so sure what that is / if i even need it / how it got there Apr 12 23:57:36 does anyone know how to set the calendar alarm from an app? Apr 12 23:57:39 well, you are usually going to need some reference to the stage controller if you're doing stage-stuff Apr 12 23:58:22 ah Apr 12 23:58:41 error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'getActiveStageController' of undefined, app/assistants/stage-assistant.js:26 Apr 12 23:58:42 so, the real long way would be, I think (this is from memory): Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController(); if you want the current scene controller, it's Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().getActiveScene() Apr 12 23:59:00 ah Apr 12 23:59:27 * sugardave doesn't have an SDK on this box to verify. Apr 13 00:00:25 hm.. oh this is interesting Apr 13 00:00:27 zsoc: so your error is basically saying that you don't have a valid stage controller in this.controller Apr 13 00:00:37 sugardave: yes, i get that now thank you :) Apr 13 00:00:40 er app controller Apr 13 00:00:41 :D Apr 13 00:00:45 you're welcome! Apr 13 00:01:04 mojo.event.listen: 'target' must be defined Apr 13 00:01:12 yep Apr 13 00:01:15 you need a target Apr 13 00:01:33 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get(theId), blah, blah); Apr 13 00:01:35 oh, i probably need to break; after each case too Apr 13 00:01:42 yeah, that would be good Apr 13 00:02:32 What would a Mojo.Event.listen() look like for a viewMenu Apr 13 00:02:48 oh god, no idea on that one Apr 13 00:02:53 I'm low-level apprentice ;) Apr 13 00:03:31 I see. Because the viewMenu just has two item[]'s, and a toggleCmd... i didn't think I needed a listen() at all Apr 13 00:03:33 * zsoc thinks Apr 13 00:03:59 wait...you don't Apr 13 00:04:01 ok, that seems good Apr 13 00:04:05 it's automatic Apr 13 00:04:12 sugardave: it was my lack of break, it was finding that case, and then going on to the next one! lol Apr 13 00:04:17 nice Apr 13 00:04:28 "find this and do it... annnnnnd all the other ones after it" Apr 13 00:06:08 Where do people generally put their appMenu? Define everything in the stage assistant and then call the widget in the setup() of each scene assistant? Apr 13 00:06:31 app, view, and command menus are "different" Apr 13 00:07:07 it's the handleCommand thing that you need in a stage/app controller and then used (or modified if necessary) on a scene-by-scene basis Apr 13 00:07:56 oh, yes, the setupWidget, sorry Apr 13 00:08:43 you can make your model items in the app/stage controller, then it's "global" and can be used in the setupWidget of each scene Apr 13 00:13:48 I know I /can/, I was just wondering if that's generally how people did it :) Apr 13 00:14:11 I was unsure if there was another verily 'shortcut' behind the scenes with no explanation, which seems to be a common theme with mojo. Apr 13 00:22:36 zsoc: nah, I think for that it's pretty common to define it in your app or stage controller Apr 13 00:22:44 unless every menu is going to be different on every scene Apr 13 00:22:58 but then I'd still have the base default items model in the app/stage controller Apr 13 00:23:43 I'm not reading questions properly because I'm out of my element...namely, I'm actually at work and not at my home office Apr 13 00:23:47 out of sorts Apr 13 00:24:29 zsoc...dont listen to sugardave. he's my foe and will lead you astray. Apr 13 00:25:18 ha Apr 13 00:28:09 zsoc: I put my menu notes up on webos101.com Apr 13 00:28:22 You should be reading webos101.com and filling in the gaps as you learn that stuff. :) Apr 13 00:29:08 Roy-Pre101: right Apr 13 00:37:36 okay, work is done...now waiting for my ride Apr 13 00:37:38 I'm bored Apr 13 00:37:42 somebody tell me a story Apr 13 00:38:45 once upon a time... Apr 13 00:38:47 Is there a way to lock a toggle listMenu ? Apr 13 00:41:13 lock how? Apr 13 00:41:45 list menu..... Apr 13 00:41:47 hmmm Apr 13 00:42:26 lock as in, whichever button of my two buttons is selected, can not be changed /toggled till i unlock it Apr 13 00:42:57 I don't know what it is, but I imagine you could set the disabled property to true Apr 13 00:43:04 and then reset when you want Apr 13 00:43:33 wouldn't disabled make it all grey and ugly Apr 13 00:43:38 is listMenu a widget? Apr 13 00:43:43 yeah, gray and ugly Apr 13 00:46:05 erg, that's twice explore.exe has died...not boding well for this session Apr 13 00:50:42 yay, time to go home Apr 13 00:51:55 hi haeffb! Apr 13 00:52:51 Roy-Pre101: webos101 is getting to be very helpful Apr 13 00:53:53 hi JenP Apr 13 00:54:52 zsco.... just don't respnond in the handelCommand & reset the toggleCmd property to the one you don't want to leave. Apr 13 01:56:02 havent asked a dumb question in a while so..... Apr 13 01:56:22 x-mojo-loc='' Apr 13 01:56:44 no clue what this is Apr 13 01:57:02 yet i see it lots o places Apr 13 02:40:33 ooooooooooooook, this is interesting. Apr 13 02:41:05 when i put my appMenuModel in my stage assistant setup(), it works, but the menu options command:'s don't work Apr 13 02:41:14 but then when i instant the widget in the scene, it doubles the menu options Apr 13 02:41:17 but the doubled ones work Apr 13 02:46:02 oh Apr 13 02:46:12 it definitely doesn't belong in the setup() method, heh got it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 13 02:59:56 2010