**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 16 03:00:02 2010 Apr 16 03:08:41 edektor: can you not just change the price to $0.00? Apr 16 03:08:58 No it says it must be greater than 0.99 Apr 16 03:09:03 lame Apr 16 03:55:17 You cannot change to free. Apr 16 05:35:42 Hey guys...just submitted an upgrade to Paratrooper with more levels. Fun to be actively developing on WebOS again. Apr 16 05:40:58 rbredow: ah that's yours? Apr 16 05:41:03 rbredow: congrats :) Apr 16 05:41:15 Yup. Very excited to see how well it's doing in the palm app contest. Apr 16 05:42:00 Thanks Apr 16 05:50:14 Anyone ever put their app "on sale" in the catalog? Is it possible to do a 1 day sale? I'm not sure how quickly palm would push the meta-data update through. Apr 16 05:52:57 dunno, but even app updates seem to be going through very quickly Apr 16 05:53:14 it was about 2 days from submission to live in catalog for my latest update Apr 16 05:53:23 That's good news. Apr 16 05:53:27 full binary update, not even just meta Apr 16 05:53:40 My last meta-data update for international sales actually took 4 days (!) Apr 16 05:53:47 What are your apps? Apr 16 05:53:55 ihate411 and ibored Apr 16 05:54:02 cool Apr 16 05:54:28 i have your trial, but i like the free :P Apr 16 05:54:33 :) Apr 16 05:55:39 ihate411 is pretty popular Apr 16 05:55:59 4.x rating with 600 downloads or so Apr 16 05:56:02 not free though Apr 16 05:56:18 great if you're in the US, I haven't internationalized it Apr 16 05:56:32 I'm in the US. I'll check it out. Apr 16 05:56:57 west coast? Apr 16 05:57:09 yup Apr 16 05:57:21 where's at? Apr 16 05:57:25 Los Angeles Apr 16 05:57:25 <- los angeles Apr 16 05:57:28 Funny Apr 16 05:57:29 heh Apr 16 05:57:45 ok, gotta ask, where in LA? Apr 16 05:57:48 its like a small country Apr 16 05:57:55 i'm by LAX Apr 16 05:58:08 Too funny, we're neighbors. Apr 16 05:58:14 ... Apr 16 05:58:19 lol weird.. Apr 16 08:04:14 anyone knows how to disable the menu in a scene? I just set an empty array as items but there is a dummy entry left. Got my app rejected because of that :( Apr 16 10:01:26 what menu ? Apr 16 10:48:30 hi Apr 16 10:48:53 is there a way to upload new content to the phone ? (like new graphics themes for a game,...) ? Apr 16 11:54:14 caan anyone please tell me how to use the parameters passed by the popScenesTo function in the activate function..?? Apr 16 11:59:40 not sure that you can, according to the docs. but the docs may be wrong. Apr 16 12:46:44 haeffb: docs? wrong? THUS Apr 16 13:21:23 whats the easiest way for me to get me app to a friend without him having to go into dev mode? Apr 16 13:21:43 or is it possible Apr 16 13:22:41 or point me to the doc - cause i cant find it Apr 16 13:23:30 *crickets are loud today* Apr 16 13:24:14 BigBiff: it is not possible, unless the app goes through the Palm distribution channels. Apr 16 13:24:30 i c Apr 16 13:24:52 BigBiff: any other method requires the device to go into dev mode at least once (e.g. just for enough time to install Preware, and then it can be taken out of dev mode again forever more). Apr 16 13:25:05 i thought so Apr 16 13:25:13 but most people just leave the device in dev mode Apr 16 13:25:21 just didnt know if there was a packager/installer that i may have overlooked Apr 16 13:25:44 if there was such, it would break the bright line of app catalog security Apr 16 13:25:59 that makes sense Apr 16 13:26:12 (which is the reason why Preware cannot be accepted into the Palm App Catalog) Apr 16 13:26:25 ahhhhhhhhh Apr 16 13:26:32 never thought about that Apr 16 13:27:03 i just dont foresee my first app making it to the catalog Apr 16 13:27:25 beta feed? Apr 16 13:27:46 its just too demographic specific Apr 16 13:28:57 and i wouldnt want a bunch of neg ratings by people who would never need the app anyway Apr 16 13:29:07 my fragile ego and all Apr 16 13:29:24 you're in the wrong business then.. Apr 16 13:29:41 heh, fortunately this isnt my 'business' Apr 16 13:29:48 wrong hobby. Apr 16 13:29:56 hehe Apr 16 13:30:06 nah, it's been fun learning Apr 16 13:30:38 back in the good ole days of the wild west you could email an app and install it Apr 16 13:31:30 that was when the internet was still black and white Apr 16 13:31:43 err, black and green Apr 16 13:32:21 i dunno, maybe i'll try and throw the app in the homebrew eventually Apr 16 13:33:21 <-----visually NOT creative Apr 16 13:33:52 i think the app does what its supposed to Apr 16 13:34:04 its just not a "WOW, COOL" Apr 16 13:35:04 BigBiff: over 200,000 people run Preware Apr 16 13:35:05 plus with my verbose, redundant, non-best-practice code...... Apr 16 13:35:49 so you're saying my app in homebrew would be a mistake, or a positive? Apr 16 13:36:27 BigBiff: I personally would love a world-clock app which did not have any creative visuals - e.g. no spinning globes, no weird colour schemes, etc. Just showing the information requested using the default webOS widgets and the default Palm themes. Apr 16 13:36:47 hmmmm Apr 16 13:37:22 well i'll let my pre friend(s) have a go at it, see what they think Apr 16 13:38:16 * rwhitby only releases stuff where users cannot give ratings. Apr 16 13:38:36 hehe Apr 16 13:39:11 i dont even have a website....not sure that would work in my case ") Apr 16 13:51:45 BigBiff: you can use the palm beta distro & mark it 'private' Apr 16 13:52:34 & if you use an open source account it won't cost you a dime Apr 16 13:53:40 good morning #webOS Apr 16 14:11:33 morning haeffb Apr 16 14:13:42 hi Apr 16 14:14:02 just got a palm pre for testing, entered the pin id, and now it's asking for an email/password Apr 16 14:14:06 what am i supposed to enter ? Apr 16 14:14:14 i did not create any account Apr 16 14:16:43 warpdesign_, you need to make a palm profile Apr 16 14:16:47 is that what its asking to do? Apr 16 14:17:18 so I can enter anything and it will be created ? Apr 16 14:17:25 yeah Apr 16 14:17:26 or do i need to go to palm and create a profile there ? Apr 16 14:17:30 alright Apr 16 14:17:33 ok, thanks Apr 16 14:17:40 i think you're creating one now Apr 16 14:17:49 its been so long i honestly dont remember Apr 16 14:17:54 ok Apr 16 14:17:59 I'll try that Apr 16 14:18:00 but you can enter anything, its changable later Apr 16 14:18:01 we'll see Apr 16 14:18:03 ok Apr 16 14:18:42 the palm profile is for backup (installed apps, contacts stored in the palm profile), app store purchases, remote wipe ..etc Apr 16 14:47:09 warpdesign_: no, not THAT button!! Apr 16 14:51:07 hmm.. how do i access the palm catalog ? Apr 16 14:51:16 is there an icon for that or is it a simple website Apr 16 14:51:36 app catalog Apr 16 14:51:47 it's a site ? :) Apr 16 14:51:48 on the second or third app screen? Apr 16 14:51:56 no, it's an app Apr 16 14:53:56 ok Apr 16 14:53:58 thanks Apr 16 15:06:02 * sugardave is eagerly awaiting his amortization schedule update. Apr 16 15:15:04 sugardave: to pay your mortgage off faster, add $200 extra per month to your payment & send the whole amount to me. Apr 16 15:15:17 bzzzt Apr 16 15:15:52 I pay a little extra every month and have been tracking the changes in the schedule for the last 14 months Apr 16 15:15:55 it's a sickness Apr 16 15:16:12 it's pretty cool to watch over time, though Apr 16 15:16:37 the new milestone I'm waiting for is the "< 100K on principal" mark Apr 16 15:16:46 which should be now Apr 16 15:16:47 :D Apr 16 15:16:51 yeah....thats awesome Apr 16 15:17:52 sweet. Apr 16 15:18:36 yeah, I figure it's going to take another 14 months or so to get our payoff date back to its original before we re-financed Apr 16 15:18:47 that will also be a happy day Apr 16 15:19:15 and the day I get to drop PMI Apr 16 15:19:20 that shit pisses me off Apr 16 15:20:56 I refi-ed to a 4.5% 15-year note last year Apr 16 15:21:07 nice :D Apr 16 15:21:11 my credit sucks Apr 16 15:21:33 we re-financed in 2003 to a 6% from a 9.25% originally Apr 16 15:21:41 so, I was glad for that one Apr 16 15:21:59 any french speakers in today? i am desperate Apr 16 15:22:10 wee wee? Apr 16 15:22:16 watch your mouth! Apr 16 15:22:29 * sugardave gets a mirror. Apr 16 15:22:43 i see what you did there Apr 16 15:23:41 somebody was in here yesterday that said they do French....but I don't remember who it was Apr 16 15:23:58 maybe swisstomcat... Apr 16 15:25:23 swiss does Apr 16 15:31:53 codeslaw> je parle français, mais pas sûr de pouvoir t'aider pour autant Apr 16 15:32:19 loic_m: are you busy? Apr 16 15:32:28 "I speak French, but I'm not going to help you." Damn, that is rough ;) Apr 16 15:32:32 aahaha Apr 16 15:32:40 i was about to translate what he sid Apr 16 15:32:43 said Apr 16 15:32:46 sugardave> "but i don't know if i could help you" ;) Apr 16 15:32:52 hehe Apr 16 15:33:45 i need a french translation of my app description Apr 16 15:34:03 but, france also has an English option Apr 16 15:34:07 so i don't know if its necessary Apr 16 15:34:34 you mean you just want someone to translate texts of your app ? Apr 16 15:34:42 just the catalog description Apr 16 15:35:14 ok Apr 16 15:35:36 query me your description Apr 16 15:37:42 eh dont worry about it, i gotta submit right now Apr 16 15:37:53 they said english was fine Apr 16 15:38:09 ok Apr 16 15:38:33 btw, we don't have pré yet in france Apr 16 15:38:57 sacre bleu! Apr 16 15:39:15 loic_m: are you in france? Apr 16 15:39:26 yes Apr 16 15:39:43 (sorry I can't do those fancy e's) Apr 16 15:39:47 are you a man or a woman? Apr 16 15:40:16 i have an app that i want to release in french Apr 16 15:40:25 ok Apr 16 15:40:28 man Apr 16 15:40:32 important ? Apr 16 15:40:37 its moslt for guys but woman are interested in it too Apr 16 15:40:52 the app is guyrules Apr 16 15:40:57 huhu Apr 16 15:41:04 i have the rules in french too Apr 16 15:41:14 but dont know how good they are translated Apr 16 15:41:20 ok Apr 16 15:41:24 Guy Rule: no Guy Rules in French Apr 16 15:41:41 que? Apr 16 15:42:19 loic_m you're in france? Apr 16 15:42:26 yes Apr 16 15:42:43 ok, so you may or may not be able to see the app in the palm beta right now Apr 16 15:43:09 palm pré is not officially release yet in france Apr 16 15:43:16 i don't have one Apr 16 15:43:22 emu? Apr 16 15:43:34 i can use the emulator Apr 16 15:43:49 why does the palm app catalog ask me about releasing in French I wonder Apr 16 15:43:50 hmm Apr 16 15:43:58 we wiil have it by the 11th of may Apr 16 15:44:02 the speak it in Canada Apr 16 15:44:03 ah Apr 16 15:44:17 right but thats not REAL French.. Apr 16 15:44:30 official presenation is 27th of april Apr 16 15:44:36 Quebecois Apr 16 15:44:47 well if you are interested Apr 16 15:44:48 they are putting my app on the french demo devices in all the retail stores Apr 16 15:44:59 codeslaw: that's awesome Apr 16 15:45:12 and could review the guyrules and app i would appreciate it Apr 16 15:45:18 thanks! thats why i was scrambling for a french translation Apr 16 15:45:22 PM me your email addy Apr 16 15:45:24 codeslaw> what's your app ? Apr 16 15:45:26 but i realized the app translation wont matter Apr 16 15:45:37 loic_m: Paintr Lite Apr 16 15:45:57 codeslaw> it really matter as french as soooo bad in speaking other thing than french Apr 16 15:46:10 morning, all Apr 16 15:46:19 hi chuqui Apr 16 15:46:26 loic_m: yes but i mean, the there is almost no text in the app itself, only the description in the catalog Apr 16 15:46:31 * sugardave dons the loincloth. Apr 16 15:47:31 * haeffb_pre picks up the spear Apr 16 15:47:43 what? you were naked before I got here? no need to go all formal just because I showed up Apr 16 15:47:51 heh Apr 16 15:48:13 well, soon I have to turn on the camera so the students can see my smiling....face Apr 16 15:50:07 oh fuck, chuq's on a killin spree Apr 16 15:50:20 I always think of that Geto Boys song when I see you, chuqui Apr 16 15:50:59 bbl Apr 16 15:51:05 I am? I must be hallucinating again. Damn flashbacks. Apr 16 16:00:19 Is there a way to make the charging screen (while docked) NOT show the alarms from the Clock app - only the appointments from calendar? Apr 16 16:13:04 aloha everyone! Apr 16 16:14:23 * pandora-- waves Apr 16 16:14:39 awawww..... left my zunes remote at home.... Apr 16 16:15:10 now no movies on the projector.... Apr 16 16:15:26 howdy boys Apr 16 16:28:32 let's conjecture: how hard is it to learn enough C/C++ to effectively use the PDK for someone who has 0 experience but decent aptitude? Apr 16 16:28:45 no idea Apr 16 16:28:49 but in same boat Apr 16 16:29:16 sugardave: once u know how to program. the rest is syntax.. Apr 16 16:29:25 And memory management... Apr 16 16:29:38 I remember having to manage memory in Pascal Apr 16 16:29:57 how did u do at cobalt? Apr 16 16:30:24 I used to know BASIC on the Commodore Apr 16 16:30:43 c++ is just like BASIC on the C64 Apr 16 16:30:53 you wont know the difference Apr 16 16:30:55 I've successfully compiled Ruby to run on the pre. I'm trying to get rubysdl working to see how that works out. So using other languages is always a possibility. Apr 16 16:31:04 Pascal would be my only "formal" programming training Apr 16 16:31:21 and now I know enough js to act like I know more than I do Apr 16 16:31:29 and that's about it Apr 16 16:31:46 are you comfortable with copy and paste? Apr 16 16:32:01 u must be, u r a webos prg'mr Apr 16 16:32:11 yeah, I can do that....it's the "wtf are they doing here" part that gets me Apr 16 16:32:25 i took pascal too Apr 16 16:32:33 (yeah , i'm old) Apr 16 16:32:46 doubly-linked lists from pointers ftw! Apr 16 16:32:55 just try some helloworld stuff on C Apr 16 16:33:05 C what u think Apr 16 16:33:17 hehe, yeah....next week I might try my hand at some Apr 16 16:33:39 real men use asm Apr 16 16:34:05 i never met 1 asm programmer i could kick their a55 in the parking lot Apr 16 16:34:16 you just did Apr 16 16:34:51 try it sugardave: if you dont like the PDK, as kfor a refund.. Apr 16 16:36:07 damn vm won't launch.... Apr 16 16:37:08 i played around with C# trying to get Johnny Lee's programs to run on my machine Apr 16 16:37:21 it seems very learnable Apr 16 16:37:25 for a newb like me Apr 16 17:03:21 wine is in the process Apr 16 17:03:35 I like the sound of that Apr 16 17:05:25 it is exciting Apr 16 17:15:58 went to an interview and for some reason it went bad Apr 16 17:18:24 just need a call or an email that i did not make it Apr 16 17:30:35 LoneStar99: ouch Apr 16 17:30:39 forget to wear pants? Apr 16 17:32:57 or forget to not wear pants? Apr 16 17:45:57 pandora--: guess just need =to live Apr 16 17:51:12 did 1.4.0 remove the media sync feature? Apr 16 17:59:31 RagingMind: no Apr 16 17:59:37 RagingMind: but you have to "enable" it Apr 16 17:59:49 go to the "device info" app on the phone Apr 16 17:59:56 and in the app menu you can enable it Apr 16 17:59:57 weird Apr 16 18:23:19 evening Apr 16 18:23:34 * pandora-- waves Apr 16 18:29:21 hello Apr 16 18:59:22 swisstomcat: ping Apr 16 18:59:30 pong Apr 16 18:59:52 i hope this damn volcano doesn't alter my travel plans on wed :( Apr 16 19:00:19 volcano? Apr 16 19:01:15 yeah, a volcano in iceland has halted most of europes air travel Apr 16 19:02:09 http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/04/16/iceland.flights.volcano/index.html?hpt=T1 Apr 16 19:02:34 heh Apr 16 19:02:38 that sucks Apr 16 19:06:07 oh no, the Rapture! Apr 16 19:06:16 again! Apr 16 19:07:53 I need food Apr 16 19:12:24 roy-pre101: pong Apr 16 19:24:14 * haeffb thinks waiting 18 hours (and counting) for Precentral to approve a homebrew app is ridiculous. Apr 16 19:25:22 a new app, haeffb? Apr 16 19:29:27 yes Apr 16 19:29:32 Done Apr 16 19:30:48 i remember waiting 3 days Apr 16 19:37:51 anyone here coming to the developer days? Apr 16 19:38:01 especially on thursday already Apr 16 19:42:34 i'm tell'n haeffb , put it in palm beta and preware will pick it up in a few hours.. Apr 16 19:50:47 yep, I may have to go that direction. Apr 16 19:50:57 and send a nastygram to dieter Apr 16 20:02:48 anyone here done lots of work with the new Audio object? Apr 16 20:22:33 * haeffb_pre gonna go burn stuff Apr 16 20:22:51 you're 2 minutes late Apr 16 20:23:01 EST anyway Apr 16 20:23:55 * BigBiff mmmmm beeeeeer Apr 16 20:25:34 BigBiff: don't get me started Apr 16 20:25:49 heh Apr 16 20:27:07 nope too windy Apr 16 20:27:14 hey sugardave Apr 16 20:28:37 hey codeslaw Apr 16 20:28:55 i use audio in two of my projects Apr 16 20:30:20 * haeffb gonna write code Apr 16 20:33:17 wtf Apr 16 20:33:28 emulator cant find my app? Apr 16 20:35:36 ha Apr 16 20:37:55 swisstomcat: running my emu in German is confusing me... Apr 16 20:48:20 need help, haeffb? Apr 16 20:53:03 need to finish the translation so I can go back to English... Apr 16 20:53:19 did you get the updated .ipk with strings.json? Apr 16 20:53:22 yes Apr 16 20:53:28 i'll work on it in a minute Apr 16 20:53:29 cool. Apr 16 20:53:39 check out my latest blog post: http://thinmachine.ch/wordpress/ Apr 16 20:53:53 no hurries. I hate to pester somebody for free stuff.... :) Apr 16 20:54:51 but i should also not delay it too much just because i'm doing it for free Apr 16 20:55:19 much more substance than the previous post. Apr 16 20:55:24 looks good. Apr 16 20:55:40 and I can't argue with your conclusion. Apr 16 20:56:05 yeah, i'm slowly getting into this blog business :) Apr 16 20:58:12 Hi, is there a way to have my phone's browser use a SOCKS proxy? I'd like to have my phone access my private network. Apr 16 20:58:49 That is, ssh from the phone into a VPN and open a SOCKS proxy locally. Then have the browser use the proxy to surf from. Apr 16 20:59:21 sugardave: http://thinmachine.ch/wordpress/ Apr 16 21:01:02 grrrrr Apr 16 21:01:45 swisstomcat: cool :D Apr 16 21:12:20 hey guys, is there anyway i can access phone number of the device with sdk? Apr 16 21:13:24 not sure .. since it's private Apr 16 21:14:36 any way to control the speed of scrollTo() ? Apr 16 21:15:29 animate: is a boolean Apr 16 21:15:34 i need a value there Apr 16 21:15:52 maybe im just missing something Apr 16 21:16:26 so whats the unique id that i can use on palm? Apr 16 21:19:26 nvm Apr 16 21:22:30 grrrr Apr 16 21:22:42 scrollTo and snapTo might as well be the same thing Apr 16 21:23:50 i take that back Apr 16 21:24:02 hehe Apr 16 21:24:14 i want the animation to be slower, booooooo Apr 16 21:25:56 nyceane: let me look it up .. there's a device id Apr 16 21:26:18 nduid Apr 16 21:27:12 palm://com.palm.preferences/systemProperties' ... com.palm.properties.nduid Apr 16 21:31:08 wow, of course a dumb problem meets a duh solution Apr 16 21:31:19 * BigBiff for my animaition Apr 16 21:31:34 they cancel each other out Apr 16 21:31:42 it's like zen, or something Apr 16 21:31:47 the tao Apr 16 21:31:50 yes Apr 16 21:32:34 i need a non-ignorance pill Apr 16 21:33:18 beer is definitely not the answer Apr 16 21:33:36 I found that it rarely was Apr 16 21:34:57 well problem solved, time to grill some steaks, and become more ignorant Apr 16 21:35:16 bon apetit Apr 16 21:35:22 mmm, grilled steaks Apr 16 21:35:23 thx Apr 16 21:35:38 ribeyes, the other white meat Apr 16 21:35:54 * haeffb thinking about grilling chicken Apr 16 21:36:03 oh man, ribeyes are my favorite Apr 16 21:36:12 me too! Apr 16 21:36:20 hard to screw up a ribeye Apr 16 21:36:50 I grilled a couple of small filets last night, so no steak tonight. Apr 16 21:41:26 hey, are there any pre requirement for using this.controller.serviceRequest? Apr 16 21:41:30 i am going through the sample Apr 16 21:41:41 and it doesnt seem to let me get this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.preferences/systemProperties' for some reason Apr 16 21:42:01 any errors? Apr 16 21:42:13 nope, no errors Apr 16 21:42:29 its not even hitting onFailure Apr 16 21:44:00 can you show your code? Apr 16 21:44:06 yah Apr 16 21:46:49 http://pastebin.com/bY5qnHwD Apr 16 21:48:08 nvm Apr 16 21:48:54 this looks ok on first sight Apr 16 21:49:00 no errors in the log? Apr 16 21:49:15 where do i check log? Apr 16 21:49:28 there is nothing ont he console Apr 16 21:49:44 LogCat doesnt show anything either Apr 16 21:49:57 and nothing happens if you click register? Apr 16 21:50:14 i got it Apr 16 21:50:20 does it even go through the click handler? e.g if you add a Mojo.Log.Info in there Apr 16 21:53:07 what was it? Apr 16 21:53:32 in the function it self you can't use 'this' anymore Apr 16 21:54:01 because its related to the response rather than the parent Apr 16 21:54:12 next question is how do i access the controller then -_- Apr 16 21:55:37 you could have used this if you had bound this to the function call. Apr 16 21:56:01 but that stuff gets tricksy Apr 16 21:56:56 you can't for some reason Apr 16 21:57:19 i just tried to pass it, wouldnt work Apr 16 21:58:01 i created anotherfunction which returns this Apr 16 21:58:03 as parent Apr 16 21:58:52 onSuccess: function(response){ Apr 16 21:58:52 }.bind(this) Apr 16 21:58:56 that should work Apr 16 21:59:47 yup, thanks =) Apr 16 22:02:12 [20100416-17:01:32.400700] error: Uncaught TypeError: Object Fri Apr 16 2010 15:01:00 GMT-0700 (PDT) has no method 'getM Apr 16 22:02:12 inutess', app/models/toodledo.js:196 Apr 16 22:02:35 what about getMinutessssses? Apr 16 22:02:41 heh Apr 16 22:04:58 good night everyone Apr 16 22:05:34 'night Apr 16 23:13:53 hey all Apr 16 23:14:06 i just heard, thats terrible news, u guys were getting flash and everything Apr 16 23:14:09 http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/palms-svp-of-software-and-services-takes-off-others-including/ Apr 16 23:14:20 anything newer developed in the last few hours im not aware of? Apr 16 23:15:56 anyone in here? Apr 16 23:16:06 meh Apr 16 23:20:06 me too ;) Apr 16 23:20:21 i got disconnected Apr 16 23:20:23 could you repeat that you guys Apr 16 23:21:09 so question.. if i submit an app on palm's app catalog.. should i also do it on precentral.. so it's on both repos? Apr 16 23:21:14 I said, "meh" Apr 16 23:21:27 noaXess: a free app? Apr 16 23:21:27 i said "me too" ;) Apr 16 23:21:32 yes Apr 16 23:22:08 you can. technically, Palm doesn't allow you to submit to other repositories. EXCEPT for beta testing purposes. Apr 16 23:22:38 but, there's really no need to submit to both, unless your app wouldn't be available in other countries in app catalog. Apr 16 23:22:46 the same app... but i can submit another app just in precentrall.... right? Apr 16 23:22:48 at least you can submit. apple technically doesnt allow you to submit your app anywhere else. Apr 16 23:22:56 or release the source Apr 16 23:23:04 what I do for my paid apps: Apr 16 23:23:19 submit com.tigers.app.myles to Palm app catalog Apr 16 23:23:37 normaly preware searches also the app catalog.. so if the app is in the app catalog.. it is also in preware.. Apr 16 23:23:38 submit com.tigers.beta.myles to precentral with a version number incremented. Apr 16 23:24:07 kind of a reward for those who beta test - they get it free... Apr 16 23:24:12 haeffb: s you have two app id's for the same app Apr 16 23:24:23 pretty much, yes Apr 16 23:24:39 it's just a matter of revising the appinfo.json before packaging Apr 16 23:24:49 so what do u guys think is going to happen to palm over the next few days? Apr 16 23:24:53 how long normally does the review of palm take? some day's, weeks? Apr 16 23:24:55 nothing Apr 16 23:25:02 nothing.. Apr 16 23:25:04 days to a week Apr 16 23:25:10 ok.. thanks.. Apr 16 23:25:15 tripknotix3: nothing different. Apr 16 23:25:17 so.. time to sleep.. Apr 16 23:25:20 bye all.. Apr 16 23:25:55 tripknotix3: probably nothing ove the next few days and weeks, but who knows what will happen in the long term Apr 16 23:26:31 right but, last week was bad news Apr 16 23:26:35 this week people leaving Apr 16 23:26:40 noaXess: sec... Apr 16 23:26:42 i imagine not everyone is going to take the cash Apr 16 23:26:47 more people are definetly leaving Apr 16 23:27:10 tripknotix3: yeah, but it probably wont affect it enough for some drastic to happen immediatly. Apr 16 23:27:16 beware of having an app with the same appid in both catalog and precentral Apr 16 23:27:53 tripknotix3: and? their stock is majorly undervalued as it is Apr 16 23:28:43 * sugardave is almost ready to strike. Apr 16 23:28:53 zsoc couldnt u say the same about sprint tho? Apr 16 23:28:57 one wonders how engadget got this info from an SEC filing: "More interestingly, though, it had to hook up a couple other key players with stock packages and $250,000 in cold, hard cash to get them to agree to stick around for a couple years" Apr 16 23:29:18 sugardave: you already missed it by a couple of weeks. Apr 16 23:29:18 its on the palm.com site bro Apr 16 23:29:22 check the "source" Apr 16 23:29:25 dammit Apr 16 23:29:28 tripknotix3: no, are you trolling in here for a reason? Apr 16 23:29:42 my friend has a palm pre Apr 16 23:29:45 he doesnt keep up with this stuff Apr 16 23:30:03 what's the difference to the average consumer? besides nothing? Apr 16 23:30:13 Palm is implementing a retention program for certain key employees, including executive officers. The program includes equity awards and cash bonuses to be earned over a two year period provided that the individuals remain as employees of the Company. As part of this program, Jeffrey P. Devine, Palm’s Senior Vice President of Global Operations, and Douglas C. Jeffries, Palm’s Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, each received a Apr 16 23:30:43 omg, don't leave me hanging Apr 16 23:30:53 sounds like a sweet deal to me, and sounds like Palm plans to be around for at least two more years... Apr 16 23:31:25 tripknotix3: do you know what SEC filings are? Apr 16 23:32:09 and what information Palm is required to include? Apr 16 23:32:27 regarding senior officers and their compensation? Apr 16 23:33:06 man why did i come in here Apr 16 23:33:10 i'll just have him come in here Apr 16 23:33:25 okay then Apr 16 23:33:33 cool guy Apr 16 23:33:33 I'm confused Apr 16 23:33:42 but, that's normal Apr 16 23:33:52 if it ain't new HW or new SW news is worhless to me. I don't like this "what are they thinking" game Apr 16 23:34:16 it's worthless* Apr 16 23:34:27 whorl-less Apr 16 23:34:36 blah Apr 16 23:34:37 only loops Apr 16 23:35:02 *bad fingerprint joke* Apr 16 23:36:43 * haeffb wonders who is "him" Apr 16 23:42:53 hey, you can't declare variable as object? Apr 16 23:43:01 how do i track the error logs? Apr 16 23:45:31 palm-log -d tcp -f com.my.app Apr 16 23:45:43 var myObj = {}; Apr 16 23:45:59 myObj.test = "test"; Apr 16 23:48:00 * haeffb got the chicken sprinkled with some Willingham's Cajun Hot & on the grill. Apr 16 23:48:08 http://www.willinghams.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=shop.product&productId=3&catId=2 Apr 16 23:51:23 hello,, can u please tell me how to use the variables returned by popscenesto method in the activate function? Apr 16 23:52:27 rohit2: according to the docs you can't, but the docs may be wrong. Apr 16 23:52:56 have you tried popScenesTo('myScene', myArgs); Apr 16 23:53:14 hey, is there anyway to load jquery in webos? Apr 16 23:53:19 and then activate(myArgs) Apr 16 23:53:22 so is there any other way to pass more than one value from one scene to another while popping it? Apr 16 23:53:25 Nyceane: yes. Apr 16 23:53:25 new Ajax.Request(url[, options]) is a little weird Apr 16 23:53:31 haeffb, how do i do that? Apr 16 23:53:35 search the palm dev forums Apr 16 23:54:01 I haven't done it, but have seen that it can be done. Apr 16 23:56:21 why didnt they just use jquery instead of prototype to start with Apr 16 23:56:28 so much more flexible -_- Apr 16 23:57:12 haeffb: how do i pass more than one variable then from one scene to another while popping it off the stack? Apr 16 23:58:46 myArgs = {}; Apr 16 23:58:56 myArgs.arg1 = "something"; Apr 16 23:59:02 myArgs.arg2 = 2; Apr 16 23:59:25 but I'm not SURE that popScenesTo will pass anything. Apr 16 23:59:37 because the docs look like they have a typo. Apr 17 00:00:03 kk,, and can i use this myargs returned using popscene?? Apr 17 00:02:57 activate(myArgs) { Apr 17 00:03:11 var anArg = myArgs.arg1; Apr 17 00:14:12 <------hasnt used activate(anything) yet Apr 17 00:14:59 its like 'this' keyword, if i dont have to use it, im not gonna Apr 17 00:15:07 activate() runs every time your scene is pushed. Apr 17 00:15:17 anytime it's under a scene that is popped. Apr 17 00:15:30 hmm Apr 17 00:15:46 well my app only has 2 scenes Apr 17 00:15:48 hehe Apr 17 00:15:52 anytime your app is "minimized" (deactivate) while the scene is active then "maximized" (activate) Apr 17 00:16:00 it's quite handy Apr 17 00:16:11 kinda like setup, but it can happen more often Apr 17 00:16:19 hmmm Apr 17 00:16:23 this i must look into Apr 17 00:16:32 but not today Apr 17 00:19:51 odd i didnt get any emails today on my pre.. but i got plenty to delete.. Apr 17 00:20:36 bought some books from amazon the other day.. they arrived today before USPS tracking even knew where they were.. one reason i hate USPS Apr 17 00:21:12 hah, infact it still says its in transit for the 21st Apr 17 00:25:15 haeffb: is that a big power saver? Apr 17 00:33:43 no, no power saver Apr 17 00:41:17 im reading now - i just dont have any idea what (in my app) i would need to use in activate() Apr 17 00:41:33 i guess nothing Apr 17 00:42:14 if it aint broke... Apr 17 00:43:55 afaik, activate gets run when the stage get pushed Apr 17 00:44:02 if you don't need anything in there, don't put anything in there :p Apr 17 00:44:26 it get used when the scene comes to the top, not just pushed Apr 17 00:44:38 right, what he said Apr 17 00:47:12 im seeing it used for portrait/landscape Apr 17 00:47:46 interesting Apr 17 00:48:12 i guess its one of those things ive just avoided Apr 17 00:48:18 like a prostate exam Apr 17 00:49:02 avoided (wrong word), not tried to figure out yet Apr 17 00:50:44 same goes for sql and the db Apr 17 00:51:01 still have no idea if i should be using either of those options Apr 17 00:51:13 as opposed to my giant arrays Apr 17 00:51:32 but what ive got works, so... Apr 17 00:52:40 ok, time to look at stars, and wish i had the skillls to make that flyover app Apr 17 00:52:49 hey, controller.stageController.assistant.whatever here Apr 17 00:53:04 does that go to main-assistant.js? Apr 17 01:02:16 how much does it cost to publish palm pre app? Apr 17 01:02:22 free ones Apr 17 01:03:23 same as paid apps. Apr 17 01:03:34 unless it is OSS Apr 17 01:03:42 whats OSS? Apr 17 01:03:48 open source software Apr 17 01:03:52 or you go the web distribution route Apr 17 01:04:06 yeah, or that Apr 17 01:04:23 or the preware/precentral dist route Apr 17 01:05:11 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1840&Itemid=34&limitstart=1 Apr 17 01:06:44 evening Apr 17 01:06:52 $50, thats a lot -_- Apr 17 01:06:57 i guess I'd have to do open source, damnit Apr 17 01:06:59 lol Apr 17 01:07:21 You're essentially paying for visibility. Apr 17 01:07:40 You don't have to go OSS on Web distro, and it's free. Apr 17 01:07:42 yah, but i m not making money off the app Apr 17 01:07:44 also, palm checks over your app Apr 17 01:07:57 Just no exposure in the "official" catalog. You'd have to do your own adverts. Apr 17 01:08:39 hmm, will my app still show up in the market place? Apr 17 01:08:43 i mean catalog? Apr 17 01:08:48 Nope. Apr 17 01:08:53 i'll just do OSS, its fe lines of code Apr 17 01:08:56 few Apr 17 01:08:56 Only via web link from your own marketing efforts. Apr 17 01:09:21 OSS is good stuff, unless you're protective of your creation Apr 17 01:09:36 nah, i m using other people's oss stuff Apr 17 01:09:41 and just put an interface on top of it Apr 17 01:09:56 Sounds like OSS is your avenue then. Apr 17 01:10:01 heh, thanks Apr 17 01:10:15 android takes $25 registration fee, if you make free softwares its free to publish Apr 17 01:10:48 Except Google then owns a piece of your sould. =D Apr 17 01:10:51 sould == soul Apr 17 01:11:50 hmm, on registration page Apr 17 01:11:52 it says You cannot change this after your account is created. Apr 17 01:12:01 on Open Source Developer, I have to do that, right? Apr 17 01:16:32 alright, i m OSS now =D Apr 17 01:20:39 hi all! Apr 17 01:20:57 Nyceane: congrats, welcome to the light side Apr 17 01:31:12 thanks =-) Apr 17 01:31:23 didnt realize how easy it was to play with the sdk Apr 17 01:31:47 the only better suggestion i'd have is that they use jquery as official support =) Apr 17 01:31:59 then it would take no learning curve whats so ever Apr 17 01:34:50 Nyceane: no, the sdk is complicated and difficult, no one knows how to use it Apr 17 01:57:59 zsoc: good work. Apr 17 01:59:25 haeffb: ty **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 17 02:59:56 2010