**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 22 02:59:57 2010 Apr 22 03:57:17 so, I have an 0600 flight, and will need to leave for the Kansas City airport at 0300. no point in going to bed. Apr 22 04:03:36 lulz rick-home Apr 22 04:04:48 once again, im bored and left my pre and zune in the car.... Apr 22 04:05:21 idiot Apr 22 04:05:51 what, i was seeing if my setup was working and never bothered to go back and get them Apr 22 04:07:42 why leave them in the first place? Apr 22 04:07:55 forgot to bring em in Apr 22 04:08:10 dog ran out the front door and was busy getting him back inside Apr 22 04:12:47 its wed at 9pm Apr 22 04:12:51 why is nothing on tv Apr 22 04:53:54 anyone going to Developer Day? Apr 22 04:54:54 The hotel rates listed are per day, right? Apr 22 04:58:28 yeah Apr 22 04:59:57 thanks, thought so. Apr 22 05:00:09 * halfhalo_T400 is paying 89 a night... Apr 22 05:01:02 nice. that rate doesnt appear on Palm's page. Apr 22 05:01:21 thats because its the marriott rate plus 10 off via AAA Apr 22 05:04:18 ah, nice. I'll be at the Wild Palms Apr 22 05:43:43 I'll be at the4 best-western Apr 22 05:43:49 within walking distance of palm. Apr 22 05:43:57 along with Roy and SwissTomCat Apr 22 05:45:27 losers.... Apr 22 05:46:35 Look, I run a small consulting business. Every penny I spend on over-priced hotels is a penny I don't get to spend on computers, or guns, or my darling dearest, or vacations Apr 22 05:47:03 psha Apr 22 05:47:08 * halfhalo_T400 kids.... Apr 22 05:47:42 * halfhalo_T400 is going to play hulu through his car stereo tomorrow Apr 22 05:47:48 My kids are 30 and 32, and both make more than I do. Apr 22 05:48:17 my dad makes something like 100x as much as i do Apr 22 05:48:29 well, more like 50 actually Apr 22 05:49:46 hmmmm My dad's dead. And the last 15 years he was alive, I doubled his income. I'm hoping my kids maintain the path. Apr 22 05:50:12 Hmmm Apr 22 05:50:27 but what I saved on the hotel, I used to buy something very much like http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=166060925 Apr 22 05:50:58 I'm just a lowly IT student assistant.... my dad is a laywer.... Apr 22 05:51:17 Oh, my friend has a mosin nagant Apr 22 05:52:52 That said, I am a full time student and am extremely lucky to have gotten the job I did Apr 22 05:53:12 beats the pants off of most jobs i could have gotten Apr 22 05:53:53 Mosins are cool. Not only can you make big holes in things from very far away, but you can light the tall grass on fire in front of you as you do it. :) Apr 22 05:54:44 Never been one for guns, but thats because i have no need for one. I know how to shoot due to my uncle/cousins, but thats about it Apr 22 05:55:48 rick-home: Got your list of tracks you'll go to on Saturday? Apr 22 05:55:51 There's need and there's want. I need one. The mosin is for pure fun. Apr 22 05:56:04 Roy - still looking I change my mind every 1/2 hour. Apr 22 05:56:09 heh Apr 22 05:56:26 I'm skipping around alot on the tracks Apr 22 05:57:03 I'm having heartburn over a couple of them. Apr 22 05:57:14 hmmm Apr 22 05:57:21 forgot to pack my "essentials" Apr 22 05:57:27 ok, which are YOU torn between? Apr 22 05:58:09 aka my knife, my lockpicks, and my sharpener Apr 22 05:58:27 well, can't TAKE my knife, 'cause I'm not checking luggage. Apr 22 05:58:39 heh Apr 22 05:58:57 only taking pocket knife and not butterfly knife since those really arn't legal here Apr 22 05:58:57 Can't take my gun, 'cause the People's Republic of California wouldn't let me carry it even IF I checked my bag... Apr 22 05:59:30 Can't take my secondary monitor 'cause I just don't want to carry an extra box.... so I'm reduced to just the laptop screen, which is very annoying. Apr 22 05:59:36 lol Apr 22 05:59:50 I'm just brining two laptops Apr 22 05:59:56 Can't take my wife, because she said "Another nerd weekend? GOD NO! Apr 22 06:00:01 lol Apr 22 06:00:10 heh Apr 22 06:00:24 whoops, I forgot to do a news roundup in all the excitement. Apr 22 06:00:43 postpone it till friday? Apr 22 06:02:39 Ok, so, for Sat... I'm really drawn to the phonegap session, because every time I look at phonegap it comes "THIS" close to doing what I need. Apr 22 06:02:44 heh, if it wasn't wired up to my desk i would bring my 22" monitor Apr 22 06:02:55 Roy-Pre101: Uber-Kernel, Govnah, temperature monitoring, Preware Alpha, Save/Restore, lots of things to talk about :) Apr 22 06:03:32 Second session, I sort of HAVE to go to the one named "webos internals" -- even if all I do is heckle. Apr 22 06:03:51 rick-home: you should heckle them about using our name Apr 22 06:04:08 heh Apr 22 06:04:14 exactly rwhitby Apr 22 06:04:18 rick-home: so we will have 3 WebOS Internals reps there - you, jacques, swisstomcat Apr 22 06:04:21 Damned Palm, always stealing their own names! Apr 22 06:04:40 third session, I will probably do the marketing session because the sdl session is pointless, since I just don't write in C. Apr 22 06:04:49 same here Apr 22 06:05:11 2:30 session is easy, advanced webos applicaitons. Dashboards notifications etc. Apr 22 06:05:22 same Apr 22 06:05:31 really want more dashboard info Apr 22 06:05:53 It's not that the other session isn't cool, but to a certain extent canvas is canvas, while dashboards &c are unique to webos Apr 22 06:06:00 Oh good, I really want to attend the marketing but he PDK stuff is interesting. Apr 22 06:06:11 *the Apr 22 06:07:01 3:55 session, facebook -- duh. Since optimizing 3d graphics in sdl and opengl is going to be taught in martian for all the good it will do me, and I don't have Valentine Michael Smith available to translate. Apr 22 06:08:22 4:30, I really WANT to go to the writing services in javascript session, but really I have no choice but to go to the ares session -- for pretty obvious reasons. Apr 22 06:08:34 yes Apr 22 06:08:48 that ones a toughie for me Apr 22 06:09:04 well, it's a toughie for me, but at the bottom, I have no choice at all. Apr 22 06:09:05 I NEED to learn ares, but want to see the js services Apr 22 06:09:15 since I have a contract to write a BOOK on ares. Apr 22 06:09:26 just fake it Apr 22 06:10:03 halfhalo_T400 clearly, you've never written anything for money. Faking it is _not_ an option. Among other things, the chief architect of Ares is one of my technical reviewers. Apr 22 06:10:19 heh Apr 22 06:10:51 Matt McNulty is a nice enough guy, massively overworked, but nice enough, but I do NOT want to cross him. Apr 22 06:11:10 heh Apr 22 06:11:36 Curious who from Palm we will get at the mixer... Apr 22 06:11:39 lulz Apr 22 06:11:43 hope alot Apr 22 06:11:50 wonder whats in the grab bag though Apr 22 06:11:55 Matt will not be there. Personal reasons. Apr 22 06:12:11 God knows. So does Adora. :) Apr 22 06:12:40 i saw the pics of them packing em Apr 22 06:14:45 So, Seven Feaster is doing the Friday presentations. He's "odd" but a heck of a nice guy and useful to know. Worth spending time with and getting close to. Apr 22 06:16:34 hmmm Apr 22 06:16:58 gotta call marriott tomorrow to make sure they don't give away the room since I'll be arriving so late Apr 22 06:25:51 Going to do lunch at the Ferry Marketplace on today. Apr 22 06:26:10 today? Apr 22 06:27:19 Tomorrow for you. Apr 22 06:27:23 Today for me. Apr 22 06:27:26 ah Apr 22 06:28:45 mmm Apr 22 06:28:50 chipotle on friday Apr 22 06:47:49 I' Apr 22 06:47:57 I'm goingto get to the hotel and crash. Apr 22 06:48:09 Call me when you get in. no. Wait. Call me for dinner. Apr 22 06:48:32 Signing off now for final prep/packing. Leaving for airport in 1.25 hr Apr 22 06:48:43 have fun Apr 22 06:49:10 fun. Yeah. Apr 22 07:04:24 morning Apr 22 07:05:41 hi swisstomcat Apr 22 07:06:05 hi dpivs Apr 22 07:31:27 hey ron_frown Apr 22 07:31:31 howdy Apr 22 07:31:34 whats news? Apr 22 07:31:41 not much Apr 22 07:31:51 how's your audio library coming along? Apr 22 07:32:13 haha Apr 22 07:32:16 hasnt Apr 22 07:32:38 it works, but havent done anything else on it because the state of webos and palm is way up in the air atm Apr 22 07:32:45 clients would like to launch app prior to pdk Apr 22 07:32:50 which who the hell knows when its going to go Apr 22 07:33:51 frankly between wrapping this app up, and building my database engine, and my other 20 mil sites Apr 22 07:33:55 maybe i'll hear more about the plans at the developer days Apr 22 07:34:02 palm is getting less of a priority =) Apr 22 07:34:21 I am about ready to suggest I build the equivalent android app for free (no additional charges) Apr 22 07:34:28 ron_frown: Palm's requested PDK-ready apps with a deadline of today (or yesterday?) so it may be rolling out soon. >fingers crossed< Apr 22 07:34:30 good idea Apr 22 07:34:57 but only PDK-ready apps that are not using pdk/mojo integration Apr 22 07:35:05 uhh Apr 22 07:35:05 still awake, roy-pre101? Apr 22 07:35:10 well the way it uses that integration Apr 22 07:35:15 theyd honestly probably never know Apr 22 07:35:27 they could scan for it, but I doubt they are Apr 22 07:35:46 swisstomcat: Was asleep, woke up almost two hours ago (ugh). Should go back to sleep and get an hour before I leave. Apr 22 07:36:01 haha Apr 22 07:36:02 they have sophisticated API usage scanners Apr 22 07:36:09 like apple does? Apr 22 07:36:19 they just look at the source code :) Apr 22 07:36:28 roy-pre101: safe travels Apr 22 07:36:30 apple I was using private libraries for a while Apr 22 07:36:45 the submission process for the web feed, for instance, will reject anything using private APIs automatically Apr 22 07:36:46 and honestly for pdk shit I could statically link/cross compile and I dont know if they could detect that Apr 22 07:37:25 anyone do anything with animation and what not in their app? It would seem my best bet for that is canvas Apr 22 07:37:38 but no REAL easy way to build stuff for canvas quickly Apr 22 07:37:46 might build a silverlight designer Apr 22 07:38:25 ron_frown: I hope you're not doing webOS development for enjoyment, cause it doesn't sound like you're getting any out of it ... Apr 22 07:38:37 its a love hate thing... Apr 22 07:38:44 conceptually its a wonderful idea Apr 22 07:38:50 and they got it right where apple got it wrong Apr 22 07:38:52 ron_frown: i'm using canvas for animation Apr 22 07:39:03 but there are some things that are unacceptable Apr 22 07:39:15 swisstomcat: just writing all your animation stuff and timing by hand? Apr 22 07:39:57 yeah Apr 22 07:39:57 dont get me wrong, i dont think flash should be on the phone, I am just saying... svg, or APNG would have been helpful to support too Apr 22 07:40:08 seeing as I am not sure there is a way to graphically design for canvas Apr 22 07:40:13 cept cs5 flash to canvas Apr 22 07:40:26 and apps I've seen that do that, dont support much Apr 22 07:40:31 there are some canvas animation libraries already Apr 22 07:40:35 eg, original artwork degredates significantly Apr 22 07:41:51 rwhitby: I dont think it'd take much to make webos and the mojo sdk way way way more viable Apr 22 07:42:14 and I dont just come bitching, if it were open source I'd definately contribute fixes Apr 22 07:42:24 swisstomcat can tell you that Apr 22 07:43:31 yup Apr 22 07:43:45 i'm happy to use some of his code for audio-playing Apr 22 07:44:11 webos needs more mindshare, especially in europe Apr 22 07:45:38 pdk stuff isnt going to e supported right away, and then the pdk stuff wont be released on pixi initially (which is what my dev devices are) Apr 22 07:45:53 but if it were, I'd be more than happy to contribute my libraries to open source Apr 22 07:45:56 and it can't do stuff as rooot Apr 22 07:46:14 full blown sound mixer, processing, fft, etc Apr 22 07:46:29 ron_frown: we'll happily host them at git.webos-internals.org Apr 22 07:46:48 I could even probably wire it up to handle all the events outside the context of the webapp per say Apr 22 07:47:02 (my button taps seem to be somewhat lagged in the emulator anyway) Apr 22 07:47:22 you should come to the developer days, ron_frown, and talk to the pdk people (there are some sessions on that) Apr 22 07:48:02 I was invited by a palm vp Apr 22 07:48:10 but couldnt make it away from my regular day job Apr 22 07:49:54 and it sounds like honestly I'm probably more in the know on some of that shit than even ppl that work there Apr 22 07:49:57 sadly Apr 22 07:50:20 invited to give a talk? Apr 22 07:50:23 when is dev days Apr 22 07:50:29 tomorrow and saturday Apr 22 07:50:41 swisstomcat: uhh... now that I think about it, I dont know what they wanted me for Apr 22 07:50:42 haha Apr 22 07:51:06 I dont think it was to give a talk... after all my experience in webos is not extensive nor super expansive Apr 22 07:51:19 who invited you? Apr 22 07:52:47 I cant say... Apr 22 07:52:56 I run in a lot of the same circles as a guy here Apr 22 07:53:12 I dont work directly for any of these companies, dont want there to be a conflict of interest Apr 22 07:53:31 i see Apr 22 07:54:31 basically you think of any of the major players in the mobile world, and I've had some involvement somehow =) Apr 22 07:55:09 that's probably why they invited you Apr 22 07:55:18 it's adora .. hide the kittens! Apr 22 07:55:25 ? Apr 22 07:55:27 wtf is adora Apr 22 07:55:36 palm dev relations Apr 22 07:55:53 chuq? Apr 22 07:56:10 chuq is the community manager Apr 22 07:56:12 ahh Apr 22 07:56:37 she likes kittens so we have to hide them Apr 22 07:56:49 also never let puppies get close to chuq Apr 22 07:56:51 ;) Apr 22 07:56:56 * ron_frown wonders why SceneController is supposed to have enableFullScreenMode(Yes,no) but apparently doesnt Apr 22 07:57:13 adora if you are around lets talk sdk/pdk Apr 22 08:00:36 * swisstomcat lets out the kittens from the cave again Apr 22 08:00:48 haha Apr 22 08:01:19 my philosphy has always been... "...if you dont have the resources to build things yourself, open up the floodgates and let people contribute..." Apr 22 08:01:21 which means Apr 22 08:01:36 get pdk to where I can use it and deploy on pixi, and integrate from sdk Apr 22 08:01:43 and I'll add as much value as I can Apr 22 08:02:22 i was surprised that they didn't release a linux beta ... but people from the community have made one Apr 22 08:03:22 i hope they move forward fast with the PDK Apr 22 08:03:41 especially pdk/mojo integration looks very good (and was used for the sprint navigation app) Apr 22 08:04:29 Whew, just closed about 20 unneeded tabs in Firefox. Apr 22 08:04:43 well I dont see the restriction in running linux pdk Apr 22 08:05:02 the only platform limited thing I can think of is the cross compiler, and I am sure its actually nothing that complicated Apr 22 08:05:13 sdl/opengl is still going to work just the same on linux Apr 22 08:05:45 swisstomcat: you use cake.js? Apr 22 08:05:58 yeah Apr 22 08:06:08 swisstomcat: its actually a good solution for the shortcomings of webui... I commend palm for it Apr 22 08:06:11 and the WIDK has been out for quite a while already Apr 22 08:06:29 ron_frown: nope, not using cake.js .. what is it? Apr 22 08:06:35 they just need to get it publishable, and get it on the pixi Apr 22 08:06:41 canvas animation lib Apr 22 08:06:59 dont know hwo compatible it is with mjo Apr 22 08:07:11 I found a bunch of crap that was disabled in mojos canvas handling Apr 22 08:07:13 ron_frown: yes, especially the use of the pdk as a plugin for mojo apps Apr 22 08:07:13 try it Apr 22 08:07:14 scaling etc Apr 22 08:07:23 thats my plan Apr 22 08:07:51 yeah, mojo canvas is a bit limited Apr 22 08:08:14 one big thing missing is saving the canvas data the image data Apr 22 08:08:21 erm Apr 22 08:08:27 one big thing missing is saving the canvas data Apr 22 08:08:43 but i have not heard from palm about the plans in that area, nor have others Apr 22 08:08:57 uhh well I was looking at the canvas stuff Apr 22 08:09:05 it almost looks like that was renamed/moved Apr 22 08:09:11 I thought I saw something like saveState Apr 22 08:09:59 canvas seems like it would have been better to just use svg for a html5 standard Apr 22 08:10:15 to draw an image you have to render a buncha lines etc Apr 22 08:10:22 vs svg which is just xml or whatever Apr 22 08:12:39 saveState is not supported/implemented as i heard Apr 22 08:12:46 too bad if you have a paint app using canvas .. can't save a thing Apr 22 08:13:04 oh Apr 22 08:13:06 saverestore Apr 22 08:13:11 but yeah Apr 22 08:13:18 dont know what exactly that does =) Apr 22 08:13:29 swiss definately Apr 22 08:13:35 I come from the .net world Apr 22 08:13:42 I could build some neat stuff in silverlight Apr 22 08:13:56 frustrating when no great ways to do what you want to Apr 22 08:14:02 but then you'd be constrained to the MS world Apr 22 08:14:11 but see if pdk was here, I'd probably just build a svg viewer Apr 22 08:14:16 and it'd do exactly what I'd want Apr 22 08:14:28 just like xaml Apr 22 08:14:53 the great thing about canvas is that it's not vendor controlled Apr 22 08:14:59 same with html5 Apr 22 08:15:21 well bits of html5 arent set in stone because of that very thing Apr 22 08:15:38 honestly html5 audio stuff seems a bit lacking Apr 22 08:15:46 and you've dealt with it=) Apr 22 08:20:21 yup Apr 22 08:20:36 it's an envolving platform Apr 22 08:20:40 evolving Apr 22 08:20:41 not doubt about that Apr 22 08:20:48 I like where things are going Apr 22 08:20:51 evolving Apr 22 08:21:06 but seems like some of it is the more complicated solution Apr 22 08:22:51 let's just hope canvas will be in ie9 Apr 22 08:23:01 together with svg Apr 22 08:23:22 at this point I am convinced ms would be better off using somone elses rendering engine Apr 22 08:23:43 do you know if height/width set to 100% works by default in mojo? Apr 22 08:23:45 it would be easier Apr 22 08:23:58 or must I go and get the device height/width and set things programatically? Apr 22 08:24:13 but would they let their rendering engine have controlled by someone else Apr 22 08:24:35 I just dont see what the value is for ms Apr 22 08:24:42 do they make money off having a browser? Apr 22 08:24:45 a crap browser at that? Apr 22 08:25:01 the examples i saw were using getting the current height/width Apr 22 08:25:11 damn it Apr 22 08:27:28 I know bitch bitch bitch Apr 22 08:27:33 but I'd like to append one more bitch Apr 22 08:27:34 everyone using webkit would not be good either Apr 22 08:27:48 integrated debugger would be extremely convenient Apr 22 08:27:59 I am drawImage in canvas Apr 22 08:28:04 and no updates Apr 22 08:39:20 [20100422-01:38:22.441198] error: Uncaught TypeError: Object [object HTMLCanvasElement] has no method 'drawImage' Apr 22 08:39:24 am I missing something? Apr 22 08:39:24 haha Apr 22 08:39:37 hrmm Apr 22 08:39:45 let me check my code Apr 22 08:44:22 rehi Apr 22 08:44:23 hrmm Apr 22 08:44:34 had my laptop hard-lock on me Apr 22 08:44:53 that usually never happens Apr 22 08:46:40 I've had my mbp crash a couple times in the last 1.5yr but good for the most part Apr 22 08:46:43 ron_frown: Yep, you need to use the context. Apr 22 08:46:54 2d-context Apr 22 08:47:03 So much for sleep Apr 22 08:47:07 Who needs it? Apr 22 08:47:09 .getContext("2d") Apr 22 08:47:11 I can sleep on the plane. Apr 22 08:47:12 I sure as hell dont =) Apr 22 08:47:54 i usually can't sleep on a plane Apr 22 08:48:15 I better wrap up packing, too. Apr 22 08:48:20 Leaving for the airport in an hour. Apr 22 08:49:18 you caught my bug roy Apr 22 08:49:19 danke Apr 22 08:49:26 accidentally deleted the 2d stuff Apr 22 08:52:51 Glad to help. I'm pretty sure I've done that at least once Apr 22 08:54:50 swiss are you already in sj? Apr 22 08:55:18 sadly not because my original flight today got cancelled (ashcloud) Apr 22 08:55:25 i'm heading out there tomorrow Apr 22 08:56:37 *knock on wood* Apr 22 08:57:06 cool Apr 22 08:57:30 i'm excited to meet many palm people and developers Apr 22 08:57:50 I wish I would have gone Apr 22 08:57:56 work is boring as shit Apr 22 09:02:06 playing with c# and .net? Apr 22 09:02:27 not really playing Apr 22 09:02:28 but yes Apr 22 09:02:41 [20100422-02:01:03.542178] error: Uncaught Error: TYPE_MISMATCH_ERR: DOM Exception 17 Apr 22 09:02:47 ctx.drawImage(this, 0, 0); Apr 22 09:03:11 spitting ctx is a valid 2d context and this is a htmlimage Apr 22 09:03:53 hmm Apr 22 09:04:09 actually i managed to get it to draw Apr 22 09:04:28 so if I wanted to handle a click on that image, I'd actually really need to make it an object of its own Apr 22 09:04:42 or can I just get the image element and capture the tap event Apr 22 09:05:02 tap on the image or the canvas? Apr 22 09:05:14 Mojo.Event.listen($("mainCanvas"), Mojo.Event.tap, this.tapHandler, true); Apr 22 09:06:00 that's how i do it Apr 22 09:06:00 guess you could do it like that too and get the tapped element id Apr 22 09:06:46 well I guess the better question is... does drawimage copy the visual content Apr 22 09:06:56 or would tapping on the image actually trigger a tap Apr 22 09:07:37 i think it does (at least in my app) Apr 22 09:07:49 i have a canvas and load an image into it Apr 22 09:07:54 shit Apr 22 09:07:58 and draw some additional stuff over it Apr 22 09:08:06 guess I gotta restructure a bunch of stuff in this app Apr 22 09:13:57 and if you need to animate something... if you do something like rotate the canvas, and do for 0->360 rotate one degree... its going to not appear to do anything because it doesnt update ui Apr 22 09:14:05 I've heard it requires .save Apr 22 09:14:31 hmmm Apr 22 09:14:44 i'm only drawing on the canvas in a loop Apr 22 09:15:56 a guy ported blobsallad.se which uses a lot of canvas stuff (look at the app blobber) Apr 22 09:18:55 * ron_frown sighs Apr 22 09:20:23 doesnt look like it fires off events for image tap Apr 22 09:20:28 which doesnt REALLY surpris eme Apr 22 09:21:27 this is the frustrating part about webos... because everthing is crappy web, you dont have a concept of "controls" really Apr 22 09:21:40 I mean I can custom draw a control that draws via canvas Apr 22 09:21:44 then click and know thats what I am hitting Apr 22 09:22:48 can you get tap events on the canvas itself? Apr 22 09:23:34 yep Apr 22 09:23:50 but seeing as there may be many images drawn on canvas that doesnt help me directly =0 Apr 22 09:24:10 I mean this app has plenty of problems, because clients are going to want to have their art folks provide some gfx Apr 22 09:24:17 which I wont easily be able to hand to them to do. Apr 22 09:25:09 bbl Apr 22 09:29:37 Off to the plane Apr 22 09:37:58 well guess I am building this thing entirely in pdk Apr 22 09:38:00 fucking palm Apr 22 10:14:16 rehi Apr 22 13:08:41 morning webosians Apr 22 13:08:58 what's new? Apr 22 13:19:05 not much Apr 22 13:27:18 hi all! Apr 22 13:27:38 hola again Apr 22 13:27:39 anybody worked with download manager? Apr 22 13:27:55 I cant assign my own http headers Apr 22 13:28:20 is it normal? ^) Apr 22 13:28:23 :) Apr 22 13:28:32 who knows Apr 22 13:28:36 hi Apr 22 13:28:48 I spent like 3hr dicking around with webos last night Apr 22 13:29:00 lots of things that should have worked that didnt Apr 22 13:29:03 have you checked the palm developer forums? i remember seeing some threads about the download manager there Apr 22 13:29:29 I've created topic on precentral forum Apr 22 13:29:43 but no answers yet Apr 22 13:30:18 My code: Apr 22 13:30:48 is it normal? ^) Apr 22 13:30:52 base.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.downloadmanager/', { Apr 22 13:30:53 method: 'upload', Apr 22 13:30:53 parameters: { Apr 22 13:30:53 'fileName': base.IMAGE_FILE, Apr 22 13:30:53 'url': 'http://api-fotki.yandex.ru/api/users/shura0/photos/', Apr 22 13:30:53 'contentType': 'image/png', Apr 22 13:30:55 'subscribe': 'true', Apr 22 13:30:57 'postParameters': [ Apr 22 13:30:58 ughhhhhh Apr 22 13:30:59 {key: 'Slug',data: 'photo.jpg'}, Apr 22 13:31:01 {key: 'Authorization',data: 'FimpToken realm="fotki.yandex.ru", token=' + base.TOKEN}, Apr 22 13:31:03 {key: 'Content-Type',data: 'image/png'} Apr 22 13:31:03 paste code man Apr 22 13:31:05 ], Apr 22 13:31:06 pastecode Apr 22 13:31:07 'customHttpHeaders':["Authorization",'FimpToken realm="fotki.yandex.ru", token=' + base.TOKEN] Apr 22 13:31:11 }, Apr 22 13:31:13 onSuccess: function(resp){ Apr 22 13:31:15 Mojo.Log.error('Success : ' + Object.toJSON(resp)); Apr 22 13:31:17 }, Apr 22 13:31:19 onFailure: function(e){ Apr 22 13:31:21 Mojo.Log.error('Failure : ' + Object.toJSON(e)); Apr 22 13:31:23 }.bind(this) Apr 22 13:31:25 }); Apr 22 13:31:52 i try to upload photo on server Apr 22 13:33:11 By fact I see this: Apr 22 13:33:13 POST /api/users/shura0/photos/ HTTP/1.1 Apr 22 13:33:13 Host: api-fotki.yandex.ru Apr 22 13:33:13 Accept: */* Apr 22 13:33:14 Cookie: Apr 22 13:33:14 Content-Length: 159464 Apr 22 13:33:14 Expect: 100-continue Apr 22 13:33:16 Content-Type: multipart/form-data; boundary=----------------------------694e4d523e61 Apr 22 13:33:26 oh god Apr 22 13:33:37 dude seriously no more pasting Apr 22 13:33:45 ok Apr 22 13:33:58 I have not more code :) Apr 22 13:34:47 use pastebin or pastie to paste coce Apr 22 13:34:49 code Apr 22 13:34:54 so, no one my parameter is not sended Apr 22 13:34:59 swisstomcat, ok Apr 22 13:35:08 makes it easier to read Apr 22 13:36:06 http://dpaste.com/186519/ Apr 22 13:37:39 where is mistake? Apr 22 13:37:47 is syntax right? Apr 22 13:38:51 i'd check those forums first: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/search.php?keywords=download+manager Apr 22 13:40:48 or even better Apr 22 13:40:51 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/search.php?keywords=customHttpHeaders Apr 22 13:41:59 and Apr 22 13:42:05 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2330&hilit=customHttpHeaders Apr 22 13:42:44 swisstomcat: got ipk? Apr 22 13:42:54 yup Apr 22 13:43:04 have to install it yet Apr 22 13:44:09 it has your name & link to thinmachine in help... Apr 22 13:44:22 oh, cool Apr 22 13:44:29 hi there ! Apr 22 13:44:34 hey warpdesign Apr 22 13:44:45 hi where? Apr 22 13:45:05 Greetings from 30,000 feet. Apr 22 13:45:06 roy on the ground or in the air? Apr 22 13:45:22 WiFi -and- 120VAC. Apr 22 13:45:34 wow Apr 22 13:45:39 I'm waving. can you see me? Apr 22 13:45:43 internet on the airplane? Apr 22 13:46:11 where between iad and sfo are you, roy-pre101? Apr 22 13:46:17 swisstomcat: it's 2010 Apr 22 13:46:42 haeffb: last thing i heard was that they cancelled the inflight services on most airlines? Apr 22 13:46:53 swisstomcat, similar, but not exactly what I have Apr 22 13:46:59 I'm over Nebraska. Apr 22 13:47:12 in my case download manager does not add my headers at all Apr 22 13:47:20 Oh, and I'm only at 29,881 feet. Apr 22 13:47:27 I feel cheated. Apr 22 13:47:42 No wonder this flight was so inexpensive, they're cutting corners. Apr 22 13:48:19 hehe Apr 22 13:48:24 gps works up there? Apr 22 13:48:31 isn't technology amazing :) Apr 22 13:48:48 you better tell the pilots to calibrate their altimeter Apr 22 13:49:07 It's their altimeter that told me Apr 22 13:49:11 1352 miles to go. Apr 22 13:49:30 Outside temperature is a balmy -46 degrees F. Apr 22 13:50:29 swisstomcat: ready to go ? ;) Apr 22 13:50:53 there are rumours of apple buying arm: this is insane... Apr 22 13:50:59 still working Apr 22 13:51:10 have to pack tonight Apr 22 13:51:14 yeah, that would be crazy warpdesign Apr 22 13:52:57 shura0: they use : instead of = in that post Apr 22 13:53:45 do you mean in string "FimpToken realm="fotki.yandex.ru", token="? Apr 22 13:54:07 yes Apr 22 13:54:13 in these places "=" needed Apr 22 13:54:15 if i understand the post correctly Apr 22 13:54:45 it is value and I need send it to server Apr 22 13:54:46 customHttpHeaders: [ 'Session: ' + this.sessionKey,'Signature: ' + this.signature ] Apr 22 13:54:51 server want "=" Apr 22 13:55:10 swisstomcat, yes, I'll try to use this advice Apr 22 13:55:20 you can try and see if it helps Apr 22 13:55:48 But I woundering what does 'postParameters' Apr 22 13:55:50 oookay... There's a 'men's barbershop' called Too Hotties. hot-towel shaves, lady barbers, pool & x-box 360, and a PB&J bar... Apr 22 13:56:08 where? Apr 22 13:56:23 Virginia. Probably all over. No one tells me anything. Apr 22 13:56:36 too bad i shaved yesterday :) Apr 22 13:57:10 heh Apr 22 13:59:14 I wish I understood what OAuth was better. Apr 22 14:00:47 are webkit-keyframes supported in webos ? Apr 22 14:01:15 Oooh, we're at 29,900 feet now. Apr 22 14:03:35 heh: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3623 Apr 22 14:13:39 tweeting from the plane, roy-pre101? :) Apr 22 14:14:03 doing my best! Apr 22 14:14:23 trying to watch a video. :D too slow Apr 22 14:14:42 i wonder if AA has inflight internet service Apr 22 14:28:36 i still see some untranslated stuff, haeffb Apr 22 14:29:48 swisstomcat: They probably do. Apr 22 14:30:53 did you write that webosroundup post from the plane? Apr 22 14:34:10 default vehicle ? Apr 22 14:34:55 yeah Apr 22 14:35:01 looks like i missed that Apr 22 14:35:41 and some stuff in the help scene ( - your trip assistant) Apr 22 14:36:37 also some stuff in the google account setup screen Apr 22 14:37:20 looks pretty good otherwise Apr 22 14:37:36 i'll take a look this evening while you sleep with dreams of dev days dancing through your head... Apr 22 14:43:28 oh yes Apr 22 14:43:28 dreams that are about to become reality soon Apr 22 14:44:36 no, I didn't write that one, David did. Apr 22 14:46:12 haeffb: could there be a typo in the thinmachine link? Apr 22 14:46:32 haeffb_ http://http:/www.thinmachine.ch Apr 22 14:55:26 i'm off .. cul8er Apr 22 14:55:38 save travels roy-pre101 Apr 22 15:28:32 after all this BS around sounth park and revolutionmuslim.com, I'm wondering if I should write a "Bad Muslim" app to compete with the "good" one Apr 22 15:36:51 sugardave: tsk, tsk, you'll burn in hell for that. :) Apr 22 15:38:35 oh, I'll be burning in Hell for many other things, I'm not sure one more is going to make a difference Apr 22 15:39:16 actually, today I will have time to re-visit CAM. Hope to get the opt-out system working by tonight Apr 22 15:44:23 CAM? Apr 22 15:45:11 that's what I'm calling my Drupal/webOS thingie Apr 22 15:45:18 cloud application management Apr 22 15:49:20 i.e., I have bigger plans than just being a stat counter Apr 22 16:02:14 Ah, good. Apr 22 16:02:28 I keep meaning to look at that again but I haven't had time Apr 22 16:02:36 Going to be landing in not too long Apr 22 16:02:39 Will have to log out Apr 22 16:03:27 Well, I didn't mean that quickly. Apr 22 16:10:05 heh Apr 22 16:20:01 http://engrishfunny.com/2010/04/22/engrish-funny-be-aware/ Apr 22 16:22:18 ah, yes, one of the better unintended consequences of out-of-control litigation Apr 22 16:25:37 Gotta run! Apr 22 16:54:53 hello everyone Apr 22 16:55:08 hello wisconsin Apr 22 17:13:38 Little bloody fers..... Apr 22 17:17:31 hi. i'm trying to do a plugin.. have not found anything on web that was a concise guide Apr 22 17:18:01 someone can send me a *nice* link or say if that's not supported or have bugs... ? Apr 22 17:18:21 Well, there really aren't many, if any, tutorials yet Apr 22 17:18:29 lets see what Dev Days bring Apr 22 17:19:52 hm... cool. there is some docs PDL beside what have on developer.palm.com? Apr 22 17:20:00 Not yet Apr 22 17:21:30 http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=PDL_RegisterMojoHandler didn't help me so much. when I run executable on ssh i've: undefined symbol: PDL_RegisterMojoHandler. tryed to #include "PDL.h" and #include "PDL_Mojo.h" but keep not workning. Apr 22 17:22:02 i've read that plugins are in beta and can enter store. but it's workin? Apr 22 17:22:24 I know they work... but thats about it Apr 22 17:25:42 someone have a sample please? Apr 22 17:26:08 simple sample that come with PDK are a SDL sample no PDL Apr 22 17:29:17 dirs: Judging by the conversations on the developer forums, most of us are using the PDK for SDL and OpenGL. I believe there was a thread or two a couple of weeks ago that addressed some issues using it for plugins. You might want to check there... Apr 22 17:43:33 rehi Apr 22 17:43:57 swisstomcat Apr 22 17:44:50 haeffb Apr 22 17:45:17 Victor, Over. Over, Under. Apr 22 17:46:15 roger roger Apr 22 17:46:35 * haeffb looking at google account scene now. Apr 22 17:46:48 * sugardave is trying to wrap his head around git. Apr 22 17:47:18 once you git it, let me know how to git it too Apr 22 17:47:37 * swisstomcat recommends the dzone refcardz "getting started with git" Apr 22 17:47:38 weeeelll look who it is! Apr 22 17:47:41 I'm not sure I'll ever remember all this weird crap you have to supply on command lines Apr 22 17:47:48 it's halfhalo Apr 22 17:47:50 swisstomcat: thanks Apr 22 17:47:53 yes, yes it is Apr 22 17:52:57 any hints as to what goodies will be given away at Developer Day? Apr 22 17:53:07 not really Apr 22 17:53:17 i think i've seen a book in that bag Apr 22 17:53:30 that would be cool Apr 22 17:53:38 nice Apr 22 17:54:01 the O'Reilly one? Apr 22 17:54:08 oh god.... Apr 22 17:54:19 ok so considering that i've read everything and made my code right, I suspect that what are lock me in is that I can't ran pdk-device-install on my pre (1.4.1). command line says "only 1.4 are supported" :/ Apr 22 17:54:20 can't tell that from the pic Apr 22 17:54:23 looked paperback though Apr 22 17:54:31 not big enough methinks Apr 22 17:54:55 i already have 8 copies of that o'reilly book :) Apr 22 17:55:05 * halfhalo_T400_ is cranking music waiting to leave Apr 22 17:55:11 when are you leaving? Apr 22 17:55:25 Leaving house in 30 minutes Apr 22 17:55:34 but leaving LA in 6 hours Apr 22 17:55:36 have a good and save drive Apr 22 17:55:41 hah Apr 22 17:55:42 save Apr 22 17:55:43 psha Apr 22 17:55:51 don't be any faster than the cops Apr 22 17:55:52 I don't do safe Apr 22 17:56:10 heh... LA to SJ. I have done Sac to LA. Brutal. Apr 22 17:56:12 And plus, I learned I have some brake pasd left Apr 22 17:56:26 I though I was into the rotors already Apr 22 17:56:43 * halfhalo_T400_ is listening to thunderstruck. Apr 22 17:56:50 halfhalo_T400_: Outrun the cops when their lights start flashing! Nothing can keep you from Palm! Apr 22 17:57:05 we'll visit you in your cell Apr 22 17:57:09 lol Apr 22 17:57:14 then have fun walking! Apr 22 17:57:18 dang Apr 22 17:57:25 hehehehehehe Apr 22 17:57:40 are you picking him up? Apr 22 17:57:45 yeah Apr 22 17:58:08 if the plane doesn't crash and burn Apr 22 17:58:09 damn, I think I'm the only one that won't know anyone else out there. Apr 22 17:58:11 :( Apr 22 17:58:32 lol Apr 22 17:58:41 irc is awesome for meeting new people Apr 22 17:59:03 ohohoh Apr 22 17:59:04 AMERICAN AIRLINES - Flight #65 - ZRH-JFK - ON TIME :) Apr 22 17:59:07 Mysterious Ways Apr 22 18:00:17 halfhalo_T400_: heh, questionable people :) Apr 22 18:00:29 ..... Apr 22 18:00:37 steam stopped downloading my game Apr 22 18:01:16 and its back up! Apr 22 18:01:24 see, I get 1.1MB/s on wifi Apr 22 18:01:32 but like 2.5 via powerline Apr 22 18:05:47 sugardave: just found this regarding git http://bit.ly/bUCA6q Apr 22 18:07:21 swisstomcat: you have mail Apr 22 18:07:53 k Apr 22 18:09:07 & fixed the thinmachine url Apr 22 18:09:21 haeffb: "rate in $" is what? Apr 22 18:10:50 a rate per mile in USD$ Apr 22 18:11:04 so, euros? Apr 22 18:11:11 ah, rate per mile Apr 22 18:11:23 for instance IRS allows $0.50 per mile for tax deductions Apr 22 18:11:32 i see Apr 22 18:12:04 or my business might pay me $1.21 per mile when using personal vehicle for business purposes Apr 22 18:14:44 why is "Enter your Google Credentials above." after the the text "in order to backup...."? Apr 22 18:17:36 good question. I don't think I even need that at all. Apr 22 18:18:06 I will simply remove that line. Apr 22 18:18:31 allright Apr 22 18:18:49 where is category info used? Apr 22 18:20:13 in the dialog to add/edit categories Apr 22 18:20:32 has everyone seen the "i am rich" app for $99= Apr 22 18:20:33 ? Apr 22 18:20:33 (I think...I can't read it now cuz it's in German) Apr 22 18:20:52 found it Apr 22 18:22:02 found "Use this Date & Time" and "Use now" (untranslated) Apr 22 18:22:08 i'm going to add it Apr 22 18:24:24 sweet Apr 22 18:25:46 i'm sending it back to you Apr 22 18:27:14 swisstomcat: haha no Apr 22 18:27:21 swisstomcat: in new release? Apr 22 18:27:27 hmm? Apr 22 18:27:38 pandora: yeah, saw it on myappbox Apr 22 18:28:35 okeydokey Apr 22 18:28:45 looks liek it be time for me to leave Apr 22 18:32:17 swisstomcat: "Failure: Unable to login to Google" Apr 22 18:32:46 and "Success!" Apr 22 18:32:59 and "You are authorized for Google export" Apr 22 18:33:43 shall i add it Apr 22 18:33:45 ? Apr 22 18:34:22 just post the translated string...? Apr 22 18:34:48 "Success" : "Erfolgreich!" Apr 22 18:34:49 oops. The "Unable to login to Google" comes from google. I can't translate it. Apr 22 18:36:40 "You are authorized for Google export" : "Jy is 'n vergunning vir Google uitvoer" Apr 22 18:36:48 ;) Apr 22 18:37:02 that was africaans Apr 22 18:37:22 for "google is a bunch of pigs" ? Apr 22 18:37:59 "Google Export ist nun konfiguriert" Apr 22 18:38:13 it's not exactly the same meaning but it should be fine Apr 22 18:38:20 google export is now configured Apr 22 18:38:42 beautiful Apr 22 18:41:30 I'm going to call it complete. Apr 22 18:41:46 can you send me another ipk for a quick check? Apr 22 18:42:41 hey guys, how do i kill a scene in webos? Apr 22 18:43:10 sent Apr 22 18:43:14 shotgun Apr 22 18:43:52 popScene(); Apr 22 18:44:14 this.controller.stageController.popScene(); Apr 22 18:44:27 but shotgun works too Apr 22 18:44:56 but the shotgun makes ugly holes into the scene Apr 22 18:45:23 for the different Trackson Saturday, are they back-to-back or do we pick and choose which track to attend? Apr 22 18:47:59 haeffb: myles hangs at startup .. there must be an error in string.json Apr 22 18:49:37 haeffb, is there anyway i can go on to next scene and pop current scene? Apr 22 18:50:01 swapScene Apr 22 18:50:48 found the documentations, thanks a lot Apr 22 18:50:53 yup Apr 22 18:52:39 sent again Apr 22 18:55:43 Verifying Google Account Apr 22 18:57:10 that doesn't seem to time out for a long time Apr 22 18:57:36 Has anyone else had an issue using super prekernel where cpuinfo still pulls up the base speed? Everything seems much faster since installing the new kernel but I'm just curious as to why cat /proc/cpuinfo isn Apr 22 18:57:42 isn't showing the right info Apr 22 18:57:44 hmmm, one more question haeffb, is there anyway to swap scene and push some values? Apr 22 18:57:53 like a json value Apr 22 18:58:07 swapScene('myScene', myObject); Apr 22 18:58:22 ok, so it work same as pushscene Apr 22 18:58:27 thanks Apr 22 18:58:28 yeppers Apr 22 18:59:02 swisstomcat I'll remove that string. it serves no purpose. Apr 22 18:59:19 did you eventually get something (success or failure)? Apr 22 19:01:26 scasplte2: i'd ask in #webos-internals Apr 22 19:01:55 haeffb: no, it's still spinning .. for several minutes Apr 22 19:04:08 hey, on successful ajax.request Apr 22 19:04:18 is there anyway to pass other values other than transport? Apr 22 19:04:23 alright thanks Apr 22 19:04:46 function(transport, otherdata) Apr 22 19:04:53 that didnt really work -_- Apr 22 19:06:39 hey jacques Apr 22 19:06:55 howdy swisstomcat Apr 22 19:08:02 swisst Apr 22 19:08:10 did you install over the previous? Apr 22 19:08:29 yeah Apr 22 19:08:33 shall i uninstall? Apr 22 19:08:49 try that. it's working fine for me. both with good & bad credentials Apr 22 19:09:02 aye Apr 22 19:10:47 ah, i didn't enter username nor password Apr 22 19:10:49 try that Apr 22 19:11:02 ah. Apr 22 19:11:47 spinny, spinny, spinny Apr 22 19:11:54 failure Apr 22 19:11:56 works Apr 22 19:12:20 spinny, spinny Apr 22 19:14:43 and...nothing/ Apr 22 19:14:47 ? Apr 22 19:14:52 spinny Apr 22 19:15:04 can you look at logs? Apr 22 19:15:34 yeah Apr 22 19:15:39 still a json parser error? Apr 22 19:16:16 I'm running de version Apr 22 19:16:23 and it works for me. Apr 22 19:16:38 it works but i see a json parser error Apr 22 19:18:47 would you translate "your trip assistant"? Apr 22 19:19:14 I'm ambivalent Apr 22 19:19:33 the Event info in the logs? Apr 22 19:20:43 hmm? Apr 22 19:20:50 I'm not seeing a json parser error Apr 22 19:20:59 you on emu? version 1.4.1? Apr 22 19:22:10 device, 1.4.1 Apr 22 19:25:01 * haeffb still running 1.4.0 emu. Apr 22 19:25:43 i can try the emu Apr 22 19:26:47 yeah Apr 22 19:26:52 times out right away on the emu Apr 22 19:27:01 maybe the timeouts are shorter on the emu? Apr 22 19:27:13 faster connection on emu? Apr 22 19:27:19 that too Apr 22 19:27:28 you wifi on device? Apr 22 19:27:38 not yet, trying that too Apr 22 19:27:48 are you going to release the translation as beta? Apr 22 19:27:52 I can't get my device to speak German, so I can't test that. Apr 22 19:28:04 on Precentral? sure. Apr 22 19:29:23 ah, forgot to translate the rate thing Apr 22 19:29:25 get failure in under 10 secs on device Apr 22 19:29:33 what's the english for it? Apr 22 19:29:45 rate in $ Apr 22 19:29:58 yeah, it times out very fast on wifi Apr 22 19:30:53 would Kilometerpreis be too long? Apr 22 19:31:15 actually, that only goes into the exported data. could be as long as you wish. Apr 22 19:31:32 it's in the add vehicle dialog too Apr 22 19:32:41 really? oh, hint text Apr 22 19:33:01 yeah, that works Apr 22 19:33:30 turns out I haven't translated the export data Apr 22 19:33:35 oh Apr 22 19:35:16 that's going to be....difficult Apr 22 19:36:28 I can probably translate it based on what you've already given. "purpose" "destination" etc. Apr 22 19:36:32 just column headings. Apr 22 19:37:07 but I have used quotes around all the strings in building the CSV string. Apr 22 19:37:24 text += '"Purpose",'; Apr 22 19:38:04 becomes text += '"' + $L("Purpose") + '",'; Apr 22 19:38:43 * haeffb has to work on that. Apr 22 19:53:07 hey adora Apr 22 19:54:31 * swisstomcat hides the kittens once again Apr 22 20:00:11 swisstomcat: thanks for the link, but it appears devoid of git information Apr 22 20:00:45 which one? Apr 22 20:00:51 http://bit.ly/bUCA6q Apr 22 20:01:04 whoops Apr 22 20:01:09 must be the wrong link, sorry Apr 22 20:01:11 heh Apr 22 20:01:13 np Apr 22 20:01:42 it's a fascinating story of designing a database structure for documents Apr 22 20:01:53 nothing about git tho Apr 22 20:02:01 zero Apr 22 20:02:14 no worries, I have plenty of n00b-docs Apr 22 20:04:02 yeah, got the wrong one Apr 22 20:04:06 this one was "That No SQL Thing: Modeling Documents in a Document Database" Apr 22 20:04:17 here is the one you want: http://bit.ly/b2wxeA Apr 22 20:04:24 git bootcamp Apr 22 20:06:06 ah, thanks Apr 22 20:07:11 i only did a little with git so far (for preware) Apr 22 20:07:34 I've got a local repo set up, just trying to get a feel for it Apr 22 20:08:30 the ghost of roy? Apr 22 20:08:40 i saw him tweeting from sF Apr 22 20:08:42 Woooooo Apr 22 20:09:14 needs more ooooooOOOOOooooo Apr 22 20:10:18 lemketron-away: Are you really away? Apr 22 20:10:22 chuqui: Halloooo? Apr 22 20:10:39 aren't you at Imperial Tea Court? Apr 22 20:11:15 Yes Apr 22 20:11:18 Yes I am Apr 22 20:11:20 * swisstomcat calls the freenode-ghostbusters Apr 22 20:11:33 erg: http://www.pop.is/h3qp Apr 22 20:12:42 yikes Apr 22 20:14:11 hey, wasn't Intrepidus supposed to tell us how insecure webOS is this week? Apr 22 20:14:50 The iPot calls the Kettle... RT @farkgeek: #Apple condemns #Flash by calling it "closed and #proprietary" [Ironic] Apr 22 20:15:28 Hmm, I could head out to sunnyvale onw. Apr 22 20:15:33 Be there by 3:40 Apr 22 20:15:36 *now Apr 22 20:15:54 sugardave: I heard the intrepidus folks got hacked. Apr 22 20:16:51 heh Apr 22 20:17:26 have fun tonight, roy-pre101 .. who is coming? Apr 22 20:18:02 @acarback, Rick... probably lemketron-away, hopefully geist and some others. Maybe @adora? Who knows?! Apr 22 20:18:20 you haven't heard from them? Apr 22 20:18:33 adora is here but silent Apr 22 20:18:38 * haeffb pouts in a corner Apr 22 20:18:57 * Tibfib pouts in the opposite corner Apr 22 20:19:06 it's okay haeffb, come to the dark side....we have cookies! Apr 22 20:19:07 * swisstomcat finishes packing Apr 22 20:19:50 you have cookies?!?!? screw palm and their dev days! Apr 22 20:19:56 Roy-pre101 hallooooo! Apr 22 20:20:24 (no offense chuqui) Apr 22 20:20:25 there are even MORE cookies now that my wife is eliminating sugar from her diet Apr 22 20:20:30 well, except me, of course Apr 22 20:20:31 (but sugardave is offering cookies) Apr 22 20:21:01 * Roy-Pre101 pokes Adora Apr 22 20:21:57 * haeffb ponders whether he should spend more time trying to resolve date problems with Toodledo's unix timestamps or just switch to using date strings... Apr 22 20:22:40 chuqui: If I make it down there before 5:00 can I come visit Palm? Apr 22 20:23:07 Hmm, Google's not showing me the local transit in the directions Apr 22 20:23:08 Don't think anyone will be around to hang out with. I gotta take off because of the hockey game. Apr 22 20:23:48 There we go Apr 22 20:24:10 * halfhalo_T400 is back for a while Apr 22 20:24:26 * Tibfib notices halfhalo_T400 is still talking in third person Apr 22 20:24:33 Roy-Pre101: I gotta make a last minute trip tonight =P Apr 22 20:24:42 lies Apr 22 20:24:49 Bummer! Apr 22 20:24:53 the boy has my camera and ipad 3 hours south of here, gonna meet him halfway to pick it up Apr 22 20:24:59 heh Apr 22 20:24:59 lemketron-away: you're my only hope. :) Apr 22 20:25:12 Roy-Pre101: you there already? Apr 22 20:25:20 I'm in San Francisco. Apr 22 20:25:26 nice Apr 22 20:25:29 $5 says lemketron-away will be sleeping =] Apr 22 20:25:38 Might head out now and go to the Hotel. Apr 22 20:25:47 Or I could put on my Palm shirt and see if they let me in to Palm HQ. :) Apr 22 20:26:03 oooo, physical pen-testing...I like that idea Apr 22 20:26:48 "Yes, I'm here to help test the next gen devices, which way, please?" Apr 22 20:26:51 roy-pre101 I'm just happy the game isn't tomorrow night. THAT would have been -- complicated. Apr 22 20:27:28 Yeah. Well, if I can't meet up with anyone at Palm until later tonight I'll probably hang out in SF a little longer. Apr 22 20:28:19 I need to get a notebook. Apr 22 20:28:28 And a place to plug in the laptop. Apr 22 20:29:09 I have my trusty t400 Apr 22 20:29:10 * Roy-Pre101 enjoys Green Tea Pumpkin Seeds. Apr 22 20:29:17 and the c90s Apr 22 20:29:22 but thats a beast Apr 22 20:29:28 halfhalo_T400: You haven't left yet? Apr 22 20:29:34 nope Apr 22 20:29:36 not till 4 Apr 22 20:29:38 * sugardave is hoping for a W500 rather than a crappy T400. Apr 22 20:29:42 dammit Apr 22 20:29:49 ...... Apr 22 20:29:49 * sugardave is hoping for a W500 rather than a crappy T400. Apr 22 20:29:57 apparently esc closes the windoe Apr 22 20:30:06 What is a T400 anyhow? Apr 22 20:30:11 a thinkpad Apr 22 20:30:12 Thinkpad Apr 22 20:30:12 * Roy-Pre101 is too lazy to google. Apr 22 20:30:17 Mmmm Apr 22 20:30:29 Last gen though, using core2duo Apr 22 20:30:37 but I heart it Apr 22 20:30:40 I used to have a Thinkpad. I loved it. Apr 22 20:30:43 10 hours battery Apr 22 20:30:50 A17? something like that. Apr 22 20:31:00 yeah, the W500 is also core2, I think....if I'm _REALLY_ lucky, I might get a W510 Apr 22 20:31:47 anything beats the T60p I currently have Apr 22 20:32:10 meh Apr 22 20:32:15 for what I do a t60 would work Apr 22 20:32:23 for about 6 months Apr 22 20:32:25 hey sugardave, what do you think of the lenovo g550? Apr 22 20:32:26 and plus they have the ips screen option Apr 22 20:32:26 then the fan would die Apr 22 20:32:41 the g sereis are... bleh Apr 22 20:32:55 did u change your name sugardave? Apr 22 20:33:12 Bmyers: no opinion, haven't looked at it. we are limited in our choices when it comes to getting laptops "refreshed" Apr 22 20:33:51 anyways the g series is being replaced Apr 22 20:34:00 roy-pre101: bummer, no one is there to go out? Apr 22 20:34:03 ah, looking for a -$700 laptop Apr 22 20:34:16 what are you trying to do with it? Apr 22 20:34:17 Bmyers: for slightly more you can get this Asus I have Apr 22 20:34:23 it's also a core2 duo, though Apr 22 20:34:41 * halfhalo_T400 should mention that the forums at notebookreview.com are awesome for this type of thing. Shameless plug ftw Apr 22 20:34:43 Asus K61IC-A2, a nice little dev box Apr 22 20:35:07 I got it at Fry's for about $850 Apr 22 20:35:11 the g550 is well reviewed at that site Apr 22 20:35:11 might be a little less now Apr 22 20:35:41 Think Rick is in Sunnyvale now. Apr 22 20:36:16 heh Apr 22 20:36:26 the persojn who did that review still owes me a hd encolsure Apr 22 20:36:41 dont care about bluray and stuff. want to make a dual boot hackintosh/win7/linux dev laptop Apr 22 20:37:15 yeah, blu-ray wasn't on my mind, it's just there Apr 22 20:37:15 some flight sim, some premeire, Apr 22 20:37:36 I'm just running straight Ubuntu with vbox win7 Apr 22 20:37:52 that would be fine too.. Apr 22 20:37:54 * sugardave finally put his MSDN subscription to good use. Apr 22 20:38:00 ISOs! Apr 22 20:38:05 Heh Apr 22 20:38:07 technet ftw Apr 22 20:39:01 halfhalo_T400, r u up on the models diff's of lenovo? Apr 22 20:39:09 si senor Apr 22 20:39:19 the ONLY issue I have with it is the screen resolution, 1366x768 Apr 22 20:39:24 yes.. Apr 22 20:39:26 but that's easily fixed with my other monitor Apr 22 20:39:31 less than what i have now on my laptop Apr 22 20:39:51 i dont think i should take a step down.. Apr 22 20:40:05 but in a 15 inch'r, that seems to be common. Apr 22 20:40:09 senor should look at the dell studio 15" with 1080p screen Apr 22 20:40:10 now, if I could just figure out a way to do 2 external monitors, but I think you can't with just one card Apr 22 20:40:10 i have a 17 now Apr 22 20:40:22 I have a T42 with bad screen & no fan sitting here if anyone wants it. Apr 22 20:40:32 it's no joy at the airport or carring it Apr 22 20:40:47 how much is a screen for it? Apr 22 20:40:54 more than it's worth Apr 22 20:40:54 hahaha Apr 22 20:41:00 it's a thinkpad.... Apr 22 20:41:16 * halfhalo_T400 suggests looking at the lenovo outlets for good deals Apr 22 20:41:55 Bmyers: if you (or anybody else for that matter) wants to get a refurb, you can use my IBM serial number for EVEN MORE DISCOUNTS! Apr 22 20:42:05 EVEN MORE?!?!?!? Apr 22 20:42:08 even more Apr 22 20:42:09 yes Apr 22 20:42:17 that's good with Lenovo? Apr 22 20:42:24 slickdeals.net often has great deals for laptops Apr 22 20:42:27 I think so...haven't looked in a long time Apr 22 20:42:29 si Apr 22 20:42:37 i might do that sugardave Apr 22 20:42:40 like a 15.6 quad core hp Apr 22 20:42:44 i'm tired of living in the past Apr 22 20:42:46 just bought this LS400 a few months back Apr 22 20:42:51 SL400 Apr 22 20:43:04 sl's arn't real thinkpads and should die Apr 22 20:43:06 my ole' zd7000 is needing to be passed on to my wife Apr 22 20:43:08 oh, wait, they are Apr 22 20:43:30 time to get some rest before the long flight tomorrow Apr 22 20:43:42 oh to jeet, c u l8r Apr 22 20:43:46 night swisstomcat. thanks for the help Apr 22 20:43:50 np Apr 22 20:43:54 the g and sl series are now he l series Apr 22 20:43:56 night swisstomcat Apr 22 20:44:02 I still have my first laptop...and Acer 386 SX (that's right, no math co-processor), 25Mhz with a SCREAMING 256 K RAM Apr 22 20:44:04 cu soon halfhalo Apr 22 20:44:07 oh, haeffb, guyrules in in the app cat Apr 22 20:44:10 16-color grayscale Apr 22 20:44:14 woohoo Apr 22 20:44:28 roy-pre101: have fun and cu soon Apr 22 20:44:43 swisstomcat: Hope so Apr 22 20:45:01 write everything down tomorrow :) Apr 22 20:45:15 heh Apr 22 20:45:18 hey Apr 22 20:45:18 just use the voice recorder on the Pre Apr 22 20:45:23 oh wait a minute... Apr 22 20:45:25 on onComplete: function(transport), is there anyway to transfer mroe? Apr 22 20:45:26 Oh, the c90 has a front facing camera..... Apr 22 20:45:26 nvm Apr 22 20:45:37 i'll tweet updates on my way Apr 22 20:45:44 Nyceane: what do you mean? Apr 22 20:46:13 swisstomcat: I don't think AA has Internet on international flights Apr 22 20:46:22 I know they do for domestic Apr 22 20:46:22 lies Apr 22 20:46:22 oh well :( Apr 22 20:46:29 just use the pre Apr 22 20:46:29 i'll use wifi at JFK Apr 22 20:46:31 they wont notice Apr 22 20:46:32 :p Apr 22 20:46:35 heh Apr 22 20:46:42 roaming charges will kill me Apr 22 20:46:52 no, the bill will Apr 22 20:47:38 or my wife Apr 22 20:48:08 Nyceane: do you mean can you do something like: onComplete: function(transport, anotherArg) ? Apr 22 20:48:18 yah Apr 22 20:48:22 it doesnt pass the anotherArg Apr 22 20:48:39 gotta flip em in the function construtor Apr 22 20:48:42 you can hack it....make the onComplete call the function you want with the values plus the original transport Apr 22 20:49:05 night everyone Apr 22 20:49:09 night Apr 22 20:49:11 night.. again Apr 22 20:49:17 sugardave, trying to do taht right now Apr 22 20:49:36 Nyceane: there may be a way to do what you want, but I don't know javascript very well Apr 22 20:49:45 OK, signing off and getting out of here. Apr 22 20:49:47 so, my shit is all huge and inefficient Apr 22 20:49:49 Soon. Apr 22 20:50:01 sugardave: Need more fiber, maybe? Apr 22 20:50:06 that MIGHT help Apr 22 20:50:14 need more fibre, definitely Apr 22 20:50:41 * haeffb is getting fiber!!!! Apr 22 20:50:47 sugardave, its just a lil different than jquery 0)0 Apr 22 20:50:49 -_- Apr 22 20:51:02 Nyceane: webOS is my first javascript exposure Apr 22 20:51:16 lucky for me, I didn't have to un-learn anything :D Apr 22 20:52:08 i'd really prefered if they used jquery over prototype Apr 22 20:52:14 its just more flexible Apr 22 20:52:23 I think you can use jquery instead Apr 22 20:52:36 you should be able to Apr 22 20:52:46 Nyceane: yeah, i like that $ defaults to a css selector not id like in prototype Apr 22 20:52:48 halfhalo_T400, i'll do that once i get a little more exposure to mojo Apr 22 20:53:52 holy crap sprint has a new site Apr 22 20:54:14 which is broken.... Apr 22 20:54:43 hmmmm Apr 22 20:54:52 time to fit on one episode of the ateam before I leave Apr 22 20:58:39 * sugardave can't get into dev mode. "Looks like it's time for some FFXIII." Apr 22 21:08:00 howdy all Apr 22 21:11:28 eyhey Apr 22 21:15:54 halfhalo_T400: oh ya i forgot about that Apr 22 21:16:04 * pandora-- goes to check sprint site Apr 22 21:17:31 * haeffb lazily follows pandora Apr 22 21:19:20 ooh Apr 22 21:19:25 yeah, this is broken Apr 22 21:19:36 "my device & media" tab... borked Apr 22 21:20:46 i'm a "sprint premier" customer Apr 22 21:20:49 thats weird Apr 22 21:20:58 because i have a data plan? Apr 22 21:21:09 sprint wants me to pay them Apr 22 21:21:25 because you have a plan that's over $XXX per month Apr 22 21:21:36 and/or have been with them for over XX years Apr 22 21:21:56 if they like me so much they should send me an Evo Apr 22 21:22:20 good point. Apr 22 21:23:48 * haeffb clicking on the "Win an Evo" link Apr 22 21:25:22 bah. They want me to write an essay?!?!? Apr 22 21:29:50 you writing an essay for haeffb? Apr 22 21:36:35 hey, how do i move Spinner to the center? Apr 22 21:36:48 do i have to force the padding? Apr 22 21:37:26 to win a Sprint EVO Apr 22 21:37:35 150 words Apr 22 21:38:32 how do i make a mojo element center? -_- Apr 22 21:38:44 * haeffb needs a javascript function to take a string "2010-04-23 15:23:43" OR "2010-04-23" and make a date object Apr 22 21:39:06 i would think there would be a parse function... Apr 22 21:39:48 no, i just want it to be in the center through some css class without padding Apr 22 21:41:48 my lazy Apr 22 21:41:54 use center tags Apr 22 21:42:02 whats center tag? Apr 22 21:42:18
Apr 22 21:42:29 I dont think thats valid html tho Apr 22 21:42:39 it is Apr 22 21:43:02 wow it is Apr 22 21:43:04 thanks Apr 22 21:43:25 it may not be clean or shiny, but it works Apr 22 21:43:34 when margin:auto doesn't Apr 22 21:46:48 this is what I have so far: http://www.pastie.org/930530 Apr 22 21:48:32 feels hackish Apr 22 21:49:44 * halfhalo_T400 is leaving... again Apr 22 21:49:51 have a good weekend. Apr 22 21:49:58 heh Apr 22 21:50:00 ill be on irc Apr 22 22:11:30 i didn't realize how large the Evo is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M59rt8RSkD0 Apr 22 22:15:04 OK, I'm here, not away, but busy cramming for tomorrow. :-) Apr 22 22:15:20 hello Apr 22 22:15:27 looks like I have kid duty tonight too so I probably won't make it to any gathering this evening. Apr 22 22:15:44 where is the gathering this evening? Apr 22 22:15:51 what happened to the d/l count in My Apps? Apr 22 22:18:01 my apps dropped -197 downloads total today Apr 22 22:20:01 hmmm...mine dropped as well. And it now shows "downloads" and "updates" Apr 22 22:21:29 went from 587 dl's at 1pm to 550 dl's now. Apr 22 22:22:32 chuqui: what's up with that? Apr 22 22:23:08 opening a ticket to have it looked at. If you're app is involved, email me the details. Apr 22 22:39:33 anybody using admob? Apr 22 22:43:12 chuqui: email away Apr 22 22:44:16 got it. adding it to the bug Apr 22 22:47:09 hey, anybody using admob? Apr 22 22:48:36 people have, but not I Apr 22 22:48:55 I can't get the test ad running Apr 22 23:48:53 ok, first time on freenode...now what? Apr 22 23:49:49 fergus4: drink Apr 22 23:50:50 maybe I am already???? Apr 22 23:51:30 then just chill Apr 22 23:52:00 Is this an open forum? or is there some kind of 'rooms' feature? Apr 22 23:52:33 hey, how do you make ipk file/ Apr 22 23:52:57 fergus4: everyone wanting to talk about official webos SDK speak is in here Apr 22 23:53:00 palm-package folderNAME Apr 22 23:54:54 what if there is a space in folder name? Apr 22 23:55:05 it says it ignores extra argument Apr 22 23:55:13 change the folder name? Apr 22 23:55:28 palm-package 'folder name' ? Apr 22 23:56:07 zsoc: may I drink as well? Apr 22 23:56:08 this feels like 1994, changing folder name -_- Apr 22 23:56:23 haeffb, that doesn't work Apr 22 23:56:32 haeffb: please do Apr 22 23:56:43 If I want my palm app to be more portable (usable on iphone via phonegap) what is my best path...dev with pre SDK or dev a generic web app and port to each? Apr 22 23:56:55 Nyceane: i'm confused, i change directories every day for the last 10 years? Apr 22 23:57:15 then go with Tibfib's suggestion Apr 22 23:57:26 fergus4: don't know haven't used phonegap Apr 22 23:57:29 i havn't changed folder name because the command can't recognize a space since 1994 Apr 22 23:57:46 right before windows 95 came out Apr 22 23:57:55 Ok. Think of this as nostalgia week. Apr 22 23:58:07 hahah Apr 22 23:58:20 .. well you should be Apr 22 23:58:24 Is WebOS JQuery compatible? Apr 22 23:58:29 \ 'ing spaces probably Apr 23 00:00:43 fergus4: supposedly Apr 23 00:01:24 peeps have used it. Apr 23 00:04:19 I tried a few JQuery pages in the browser but they did not work. Is that unrelated to whether it would work with the sdk? Apr 23 00:06:19 yeah Apr 23 00:18:33 So the browser does not support JQuery but if I build an app with it and other JS libs it will work if compiled with the SDK? Apr 23 00:23:00 you apparently have to be careful of conflicts between jQuery and Prototype, but supposedly, yes Apr 23 00:30:02 hey Apr 23 00:30:13 i am wondering where can I get virtual box screenshot? Apr 23 00:30:30 what desktop os are you running? Apr 23 00:30:36 windows Apr 23 00:30:57 well print screen Apr 23 00:31:00 or do the snipping tool Apr 23 00:31:11 i did, i dont know where its being stored Apr 23 00:31:34 do print screen... the open up paint and paste it Apr 23 00:54:25 i just released my first palm pre app =D Apr 23 00:54:31 that i made within 24 hours Apr 23 00:54:44 palm's website sucks, i'd give you taht Apr 23 00:55:12 Nyceane: congrats! Apr 23 01:04:34 in sqlite, how do I make a select statement with multiple ORDER BY expressions...? Apr 23 01:05:37 , Apr 23 01:05:41 haeffb: from multiple tables? Apr 23 01:06:09 single table Apr 23 01:06:27 ORDER BY title, modified, duedate ? Apr 23 01:06:44 asc or desc Apr 23 01:06:55 but yeah thats the general idea Apr 23 01:07:45 ORDER BY duedate ASC, title DESC, duetime ASC Apr 23 01:08:24 man, i think palm's sdk is easiest to learn so far Apr 23 01:08:42 took me a while to get use to android Apr 23 01:08:43 its for sale if you want to buy it Apr 23 01:09:30 hey, how long does it usually take for apps to get approved? Apr 23 01:09:46 Nyceane: a week or so Apr 23 01:10:01 you can do web release first and then app release, right? Apr 23 01:10:08 this way you get the web version out there first Apr 23 01:10:20 haeffb: did that work? Apr 23 01:10:23 I think so Apr 23 01:10:30 (at Nyceane) Apr 23 01:10:31 I dunno, haven't tried it yet. Apr 23 01:10:42 takes some serious recoding to go this route. Apr 23 01:11:01 i can try something similar in mysql... brb Apr 23 01:11:16 * haeffb was using a javascript array sort rather than just pulling stuff from DB already sorted Apr 23 01:12:07 for shame Apr 23 01:14:05 $30 for 768k, $40 for 1.5MB, $50 for 4MB and $60 for 10MB - monthly costs for my fiber internet... Apr 23 01:14:17 yikessssssssssssssssss Apr 23 01:15:01 currently paying $60 for EVDO Apr 23 01:15:11 <500k Apr 23 01:18:46 move back to civilization, it would be cheaper Apr 23 01:19:21 haeffb: in mysql this seems to work "SELECT * FROM FrUser ORDER BY EDATE ASC, EUName DESC, EId ASC" Apr 23 01:19:35 so should work in sqlite Apr 23 01:20:20 0.47MB, 610ms ping Apr 23 01:20:27 from my understanding 90% of SQL is interchangable between DB systems Apr 23 01:20:38 thanks LoneStar99 Apr 23 01:20:57 how much is 10MB internet in civilized world? Apr 23 01:21:10 np Apr 23 01:21:45 haeffb, what was in the last update of myles? i updated it today. Apr 23 01:22:10 ooooh. duedates are going to be tricky. some tasks have a duedate of "", others have a unixtimestamp Apr 23 01:22:31 want them sorted by unixtimestamp ASC, but ones with "" should come at the end. Apr 23 01:23:03 nothing whatsoever. just submitted it for other countries in English Apr 23 01:23:14 "meta update" Apr 23 01:23:17 what a jip.. Apr 23 01:23:24 haeffb: "" being empty correct? Apr 23 01:23:51 correct Apr 23 01:24:33 if u sort by date the "" should be on the bottom of the ASC or DESC Apr 23 01:24:40 so, bet they're having a good time in Sunnyvale tonight. Apr 23 01:24:54 shoukd not not be mixed in the results Apr 23 01:24:56 it's not really a date, it's an integer Apr 23 01:25:58 except for lemketron-away who is always either too busy or too away to have a good time Apr 23 01:26:18 or away having a good time? Apr 23 01:27:33 it is in unixtime? Apr 23 01:28:18 what does one of your dates look like? Apr 23 01:30:59 haeffb: you will need to structure your date something like http://uoid.me/time1 Apr 23 01:32:44 unixtimestamp: 1271887220000 Apr 23 01:33:43 yep Apr 23 01:35:07 how'd that chick know what time it would be when I loaded that website? Apr 23 01:35:19 spooky.. Apr 23 01:35:40 the world is a wonderful, mysterious, magical place Apr 23 01:36:50 turns out that "" is sorted below 1271887220000 Apr 23 01:36:55 so, that's perfect Apr 23 01:40:40 yeah Apr 23 01:41:00 is what i was saying above Apr 23 01:41:18 it is not taken into account Apr 23 01:42:10 wooOOOT got my dashboard basically working Apr 23 01:42:56 congrats basically.. Apr 23 01:43:11 awesome Tibfib Apr 23 01:43:33 heh, thanks Apr 23 01:44:30 so how do you have a function, or something, running in the background without a stage (a la newsroom)? Apr 23 01:45:06 you need at least a dashboard afaik Apr 23 01:45:15 I thought that background services get canned now as well... but some apps still work in the background Apr 23 01:45:26 Tibfib: Go update webos101 now... :) Apr 23 01:45:40 haeffb: I definitely will soon Apr 23 01:45:52 that's what we all say... Apr 23 01:46:07 hah Apr 23 01:46:40 so how do you have a function run (such as launch the dashboard) when you close the card stage? I thought it was in the stageassistant's cleanup, but that doesn't work Apr 23 01:47:29 new card stage? Apr 23 01:48:31 hmm? Apr 23 01:49:00 I need to launch a dashboard when the card stage gets canned by the user.... or am I misunderstanding you? Apr 23 01:49:25 you want the dashboard launched immediately? Apr 23 01:49:36 hmm... probably Apr 23 01:49:43 i think you are talking multistage app at that point.. Apr 23 01:50:00 My app is multi-stage Apr 23 01:50:13 I would do a serviceRequest to relaunch my app with the dashboard stage Apr 23 01:50:28 and use "at" with a 1-sec or so difference Apr 23 01:50:36 brilliant haeffb.. Apr 23 01:50:36 or that's what I'd try, anyhow. Apr 23 01:51:01 haeffb: where would i put the serviceRequest? the stage cleanup? Apr 23 01:51:22 deactivate() on the last scene. or stage Apr 23 01:55:29 * haeffb thinking you may not see the onSuccess, though Apr 23 01:56:14 might be better just to launch the new stage directly Apr 23 01:56:51 * haeffb doesn't know... Apr 23 02:00:18 hmm... neither work: http://pastebin.com/DRj85RNu Apr 23 02:03:53 err this one: http://pastebin.com/wLjp1LS9 Apr 23 02:08:11 push the dashboard stage directly from your main stage (or scene) deactivate Apr 23 02:08:27 use createStageWithCallback(...) Apr 23 02:11:28 Ok, next sqlite question Apr 23 02:11:46 I have a table named tasks with columns title and folder Apr 23 02:11:56 folder is an index into the folders table Apr 23 02:12:07 such as: http://pastebin.com/JkvgkD1T ? Apr 23 02:12:31 folders table has index, label and sort columns Apr 23 02:13:26 I need a SELECT statement that will give me tasks object with title and folder label, ordered by folder sort Apr 23 02:14:59 so I need to JOIN tables? Apr 23 02:15:28 Tibfib: nope Apr 23 02:15:49 the stageController is off, right? Apr 23 02:15:51 you'll need a reference to the appController & then do it like you do in handleLaunch Apr 23 02:17:12 so, instead of this.controller, you need Mojo.Controller.getAppController().createStageWithCallback(...); (I think) Apr 23 02:27:37 okay, so I got that to work in any of my scene-assistants, but it won't work in the stage assistant's deactivate Apr 23 02:31:44 haeffb: select folders.label as label, * from folders, tasks order by ... Apr 23 02:31:49 does that one work? Apr 23 02:34:39 I'll try tomorrow. too late in the beers to mess with it tonight... :) Apr 23 02:35:31 it's mysql, but I think it might work Apr 23 02:36:34 hi all! Apr 23 02:36:39 hey JenP! Apr 23 02:36:51 hey rod how ya doing? Apr 23 02:37:00 JenP: good, jut working on Govnah at the moment Apr 23 02:37:14 Govnah? Apr 23 02:38:27 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/b/ba/Govnah_ss1.png Apr 23 02:38:27 cheerio, Govnah Apr 23 02:38:45 JenP: open source kernel overclocking control and monitoring app Apr 23 02:38:57 wow very cool Apr 23 02:38:58 JenP: goes with the WebOS Internals Uber-Kernel Apr 23 02:39:07 nodnod Apr 23 02:39:38 we're looking at how to clock down automatically if things get too hot, to make things safer. Apr 23 02:39:56 oh super good idea Apr 23 02:40:23 JenP! Apr 23 02:40:25 we had to work out how to measure the real internal CPU temperature first. and the Uber-Kernel has that feature Apr 23 02:40:36 haeffb!!! Apr 23 02:40:51 how are you measuring the temp rwhitby Apr 23 02:41:01 JenP: note that the launcher icon for Govnah updates automatically as the temp changes :) Apr 23 02:41:03 when it ratchets down, you should send out a notification saying "It's gettin' hot in here - time to slow your roll!" Apr 23 02:41:15 JenP: we added some code to the Linux kernel Apr 23 02:41:16 lol bpadalino Apr 23 02:41:36 rwhitby: you all never cease to amaze me Apr 23 02:41:42 I think it might be the first app with a dynamically updating icon Apr 23 02:41:48 haeffb! is Done out yet? Apr 23 02:42:11 rwhitby that's incredible Apr 23 02:42:16 rwhitby: calendar app icon changes based on the day i believe Apr 23 02:42:35 bpadalino: oh, yeah, you're right. Apr 23 02:42:52 ok, the first app to dynamically update the icon more than once per day :) Apr 23 02:42:57 ;) Apr 23 02:43:18 it's Done on Precentral Apr 23 02:43:34 i am still not a big fan of the temperature gauge .. i think it need to look more like a speedometer and less of the crescent shape :( Apr 23 02:43:41 cool! when are you putting in the app cat haeffb? Apr 23 02:43:41 rwhitby: define dynamically Apr 23 02:43:48 when it's ready Apr 23 02:43:55 lol Apr 23 02:44:43 my emu thinks is in Germany. Apr 23 02:44:52 hi JenP Apr 23 02:45:00 I checked off a task on the website, which thinks it's in Missouri Apr 23 02:45:07 haeffb: how did you manage that? Apr 23 02:45:15 sync my app in the emu, and it says the task was completed yesterday Apr 23 02:45:34 just change the locale Apr 23 02:45:39 cool Apr 23 02:46:02 i finished my sql db! Apr 23 02:46:11 sweeet! Apr 23 02:46:27 lol I know i was soooo proud of myself...LOL Apr 23 02:46:56 just go to Landereinstell to change the locale Apr 23 02:47:07 lol Apr 23 02:47:25 or whatever that translates to in English. Apr 23 02:47:33 I have a hard time understanding my emu anymore. Apr 23 02:47:48 I can imagine Apr 23 02:48:04 Datum und Urzheit Apr 23 02:48:11 "whatever" Apr 23 02:48:24 giggles.... Apr 23 02:49:26 haeffb: delete the main emulator in Virtualbox and reinstall it Apr 23 02:50:01 LoneStar99: I'm testing a German language translation of my app. It's intentional. Apr 23 02:50:20 I'm just not on speaking terms with it anymore. Apr 23 02:52:09 oh i see, thought the entire emulator turned into "sprecken deutsc"... Apr 23 02:54:02 Sprecken Zee Deutsch Apr 23 02:54:25 Prost! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 23 02:59:56 2010