**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 24 02:59:56 2010 Apr 24 03:02:57 stupid music app Apr 24 03:05:33 Hey folks Apr 24 03:05:49 Does anyone know how to manually trigger a refresh of a FilterList widget? Apr 24 03:06:42 I tried list.mojo.invalidateItems(), but it didn't work Apr 24 03:31:55 Dang, I seem to have a talent for coming by when no one else is around Apr 24 03:32:05 Forums it is, then Apr 24 03:32:12 maybe Apr 24 03:32:20 we just don't know the answer to your question :> Apr 24 03:32:33 That's fair Apr 24 03:32:43 when i want to assure things refresh, i put them in a function, and call that function Apr 24 03:32:55 but it may not be a reasonable answer for a list widget Apr 24 03:33:18 Problem is the list is populated via an itemCallback (well, filterFunction in this case, but same deal) Apr 24 03:33:30 If it were a simple model object I could just refresh the model with the controller Apr 24 03:34:04 Doesn't seem to be any obvious way to encourage the list to request its data again, though Apr 24 05:34:39 Howdy. Apr 24 05:38:54 hey Roy-Pre101 Apr 24 05:39:31 Hey Rod, was just reading your tweets with interest. Apr 24 05:40:04 I'm planning on taking mine and flashing Sprint on it and getting Sprint to activate it. Apr 24 05:40:11 if you can. Apr 24 05:40:36 I just sent an email to my best contact at sprint. I'll let you know what she says. Apr 24 05:40:45 Roy-Pre101: wish I had one of the devices on which to test out my theories ;) Apr 24 05:41:06 Rick_work: Thought you'd be in slumber land already. Apr 24 05:41:26 rwhitby I have every intention of attempting to snag an extra bag for you tommorow. Apr 24 05:41:37 rwhitby: See, if you'd just hopped over here you could have got one in person. Apr 24 05:41:44 I'll gladly pay the $25. Apr 24 05:41:59 Rick_work: A man could get rich doing that deal over and over. Apr 24 05:44:02 lmao Apr 24 05:46:07 Rick_work: I have the book already, but would love the beer glass and phone of course :) Apr 24 05:47:05 I expect if I had a verizon Pre Plus, then the Uber-Kernel would support 1.4.0 instead of just 1.4.1 at the moment ;) Apr 24 05:47:45 Similarly, if I had a Pixi Plus (needs wifi), then lots more of our stuff would work on the Pixi too. Apr 24 05:48:04 was it great guys? Apr 24 05:48:22 i heard you got pre pluses..i'm so jealous Apr 24 05:49:47 yeah, i'd rather get a pixi plus Apr 24 05:49:57 test on the lowest common denominator Apr 24 05:50:51 JenP: We missed you. Apr 24 05:51:10 i know...missed you guys too Apr 24 05:51:20 i promise i will be at the next one Apr 24 05:51:32 you promised this time. :( Apr 24 05:52:02 smiles...i'm so sorry...remember book...wrong one...6 weeks behind Apr 24 05:54:11 not your fault. Idiot boss. He should take responsibility. Apr 24 05:54:26 Seriously. Apr 24 05:54:36 Scheduled time off is scheduled time off. :P Apr 24 05:54:55 and they really seriously ought to offer a bonus for this kind of work. Apr 24 05:54:55 And speaking of schedules, I have an appointment with a shower. Apr 24 05:55:04 absolutely. Apr 24 06:00:54 im out. see u guys tomorrow Apr 24 06:04:01 smiles...it's a paycheck so i'll never fight it. Apr 24 06:06:38 Rick_work: you still there? Apr 24 06:12:04 anyone from #palmdev day know more about this: http://twitter.com/jhoauto/statuses/12729784445 ? Apr 24 06:12:32 still here. Apr 24 06:13:10 I have absolutely no idea what He's talking about. Apr 24 06:13:48 rwhitby there were two rooms, but that's "odd" I have no idea what he's trying to say. Apr 24 06:13:55 maybe it was something said in the other room Apr 24 06:14:57 if so, it's still a very very very baddly written sentence Apr 24 06:19:33 yeah, nothing "legit" about carrier. could he mean a hardware ID check and could send that in to the application developer? Apr 24 06:20:08 otherwise there may be something else there that's just odd Apr 24 06:20:23 I have no idea what he means. I suppose he could mean something about warez feeds, but uh, it's just a baddly written sentence. Apr 24 06:20:31 And I have no idea who he is. Apr 24 06:21:02 ok. 01:20 at home. Rick's fading fast. Nighty Night all. Apr 24 06:21:17 nite Rick_work Apr 24 06:21:23 I thought it might be a PDK API function which interrogates the app catalog payments server to see if you've payed for the app on this device. Apr 24 06:21:41 well, that's a reasonable wild speculation. Apr 24 06:22:38 that'd then relegate piracy into the normal "patch the binary" arena like every other platform Apr 24 06:22:48 still, that's not going to prevent piracy, since someone could just crack the napp or pdl library (wherever it's implemented) Apr 24 06:23:36 wouldn't even need to patch the individual apps Apr 24 06:23:53 Rick_work: What time are we meeting to walk over? Apr 24 06:26:54 oops Apr 24 07:23:11 that was a good movie Apr 24 13:11:25 good morning #webos Apr 24 14:13:05 morning Apr 24 14:14:15 hey swisstomcat! how's California? Apr 24 14:14:24 hey haeffb Apr 24 14:14:34 did not see much yet :) Apr 24 14:14:44 in'n'out burger was tasty tho Apr 24 14:15:09 meet some interesting people? Apr 24 14:16:42 yes, but no many yet Apr 24 14:16:55 thanks to halfhalo for picking me up at the airport Apr 24 14:29:01 hey there Apr 24 14:29:58 hey warpdesign Apr 24 14:30:05 grettings from silicon valley Apr 24 14:30:39 hey hey thanks Apr 24 14:30:45 so how is it going ? Apr 24 14:31:04 it was a long flight Apr 24 14:31:18 now i'm getting ready to leave to palm Apr 24 14:32:27 howdy. Apr 24 14:32:33 swisstomcat: How goes? Apr 24 14:32:44 hey roy-pre101 Apr 24 14:32:56 couldn't sleep that well but i'm doing pretty well Apr 24 14:32:56 greetings from Boston Swiss... it's early yet out there!! Apr 24 14:33:02 i was just talking to jacques Apr 24 14:33:07 good Apr 24 14:33:16 I didn't sleep very well last night either. Apr 24 14:33:24 sorry i couldn't make it Apr 24 14:33:29 too tired and too far away Apr 24 14:33:42 But I'm about to shower and get ready. Apr 24 14:33:49 * jacques too Apr 24 14:34:05 i'm ready Apr 24 14:34:11 got up at 6:30 Apr 24 14:34:15 what's the plan? Apr 24 14:34:55 * haeffb going mobile. Apr 24 14:35:29 meet at our hotel lobby? Apr 24 14:36:01 haeffb: cool quit message Apr 24 14:36:37 oh? what was it? it's just random from icechat Apr 24 14:36:51 alright Apr 24 14:36:58 enjoy swisstomcat then ! Apr 24 14:37:06 thank you, i will Apr 24 14:37:10 and report afterwards Apr 24 14:37:23 yes, I'm looking forward to it ! Apr 24 14:37:26 "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day" Apr 24 14:37:38 I'm off Apr 24 14:37:43 bye Apr 24 14:37:45 have a nice day : Apr 24 14:37:48 bye Apr 24 14:37:49 ! Apr 24 14:55:01 swisstomcat: Still around? I'm almost ready to go Apr 24 14:55:08 yeah, i'm ready Apr 24 14:55:13 meet in the lobby? Apr 24 14:56:54 yeah, in 5 minutes or so? Apr 24 14:56:58 k Apr 24 14:57:01 cu Apr 24 15:21:47 afternoon people Apr 24 15:22:25 hi BigBiff Apr 24 15:22:32 and how is the palm dev day? Apr 24 15:22:39 insightful? Apr 24 15:22:59 I'm guessing it's fantastic. Unfortunately, I don't have firsthand knowledge. Apr 24 15:23:12 ahh, i thought you were going Apr 24 15:23:32 I thought very seriously about it, but ended up procrastinating too long. Apr 24 15:23:47 heard they gave attendees a free Pre Plus Apr 24 15:24:56 interesting Apr 24 15:25:50 ya, im reading that now Apr 24 15:26:05 very nice Apr 24 15:26:15 i could use a plus - still have the 1st gen Apr 24 15:26:39 but i dont use it for music - so i really dont need the extra space Apr 24 15:32:41 man, i should buy some stock Apr 24 15:35:37 I don't need the space, either, but could do without the button. Apr 24 15:35:58 * haeffb just uplodaed a new version of Done to precentral Apr 24 15:36:04 and uploaded Apr 24 16:30:36 can someone help me with background processes? Apr 24 16:36:26 Chriswebos: what kind? Apr 24 16:37:50 well, I've been looking at the documentation on background apps, but mine isn't completely background. I want it to work like the email app, where it has a main scene, and will do things on a schedule, whether opened or closed Apr 24 16:38:34 When opened and with focus, I want all info to happen in the card. When it is either closed or without focus, I want the action to happen in a dashboard Apr 24 16:38:41 or banner Apr 24 16:39:05 my first hurdle is figuring out where to put the stageactivate handler Apr 24 18:54:27 soo has anyone here had to deal with launching a dashboard when a user closes the card stage? Apr 24 18:58:17 hi all Apr 24 18:58:35 how are the dev days going - anyone there and in here simultaneously ? Apr 24 20:01:40 Hello. Is there a dedicated webos development channel? Apr 24 20:03:04 You're in it; I don't know of any others Apr 24 20:04:02 Oh. At one point there was a like a webosdev channel or something like that. I guess that died then Apr 24 20:04:26 It might still be around; I'm pretty new to the scene, so I might just not know of others :-) Apr 24 20:18:27 hey folks Apr 24 20:18:44 Hola Apr 24 20:19:01 I just did a bit of googling, but can't seem to find countries in europe where palm pre is available? Apr 24 20:19:37 I've had trouble figuring that out, too Apr 24 20:20:25 unfortunately its not available in croatia, but I'll be traveling at least to Slovenia and/or Hungary this summer, so thought I might pick one up Apr 24 20:22:49 ianbeck, yay, I found something Apr 24 20:22:52 want me to share it with you? Apr 24 20:22:58 hey this might sound like a dumb question but, is it possible to put the cursor in a text box by clicking the label next to it? and also, is it possible to style the hint text? Apr 24 20:23:09 pygi: if you've found a list, yes please Apr 24 20:23:26 ianbeck, http://www.expansys.com/meta-product.aspx?i=179520&a=international_versions Apr 24 20:23:33 ianbeck, we can compose a list out of this? Apr 24 20:24:01 tjaero: I'm sure it's possible to style the hint text (just have to figure out what styles are applying to it; use the Inspector for that) Apr 24 20:24:09 tjaero: I don't know about labels; haven't played with them yet Apr 24 20:24:43 pygi: That looks like it might do the trick Apr 24 20:24:56 ianbeck, just discussing with myself what phone should I get (iphone/android/pre), that's why I'm looking :) Apr 24 20:25:19 thanks. the reason I'm trying to do it, is that in order to make the textfield look normal (put the entered text where the hint text was) I need to shrink the textfield's size. But then the tap target is uncomfortably small. Apr 24 20:25:30 I think it'll probably be one of the later two, because I can't do iphone development on PC Apr 24 20:25:49 Yeah, WebOS was a big reason I switched from iPhone to Pre Apr 24 20:25:52 tjaero: Good luck! Apr 24 20:26:20 pygi: And no way I'm coding Java, so it was kind of a no-brainer between Android and Palm for me Apr 24 20:26:38 ianbeck, you can do html/css/js on android tho Apr 24 20:26:51 Yeah, same for the iPhone Apr 24 20:26:56 They aren't first class citizens the same way, though Apr 24 20:27:01 Have to learn intervening frameworks Apr 24 20:27:01 nod, until apple bans those :D Apr 24 20:27:08 Ha, seriously Apr 24 20:27:33 450 euro Apr 24 20:27:33 hmm Apr 24 20:29:00 ianbeck, how's the user and development experience? I guess you do develop for pre :) Apr 24 20:29:15 I've been liking it so far; only a couple weeks in, though Apr 24 20:29:47 User experience is excellent; feels a little less responsive than the iPhone, but I like things like the universal back gesture better Apr 24 20:30:19 And the card setup is great Apr 24 20:30:27 wish I could try it shh, but I guess I'll have to take your word :) Apr 24 20:31:14 Development-wise, it's been interesting Apr 24 20:31:35 The widgets and stuff are great, but it can sometimes be hard to figure out how to do things that aren't explicitly supported Apr 24 20:31:48 Fortunately, unlike the iPhone, you can dig into the source code and whatnot of Palm's bundled apps Apr 24 20:31:56 I just wish Palm would (have) come out with a better physical device Apr 24 20:31:59 Which is awesome, if often confusing (since they're mostly pretty complex) Apr 24 20:32:11 They need a faster proc, more memory, and a more solid build Apr 24 20:32:41 ianbeck, palm bundles apps are written in ... ? Apr 24 20:33:02 If they have any remote hope of survival they need to release a solid new model with upgraded specs and a more robust form factor Apr 24 20:33:03 HTML/CSS/Javascript; same as other apps. Only difference is Palm gets to setup their own background services Apr 24 20:33:27 right, and devs don't. Apr 24 20:33:41 At least not yet; PDK and so forth may change that Apr 24 20:34:02 you've been very helpful, thank you :) Apr 24 20:34:12 Sure thing; good luck finding the right smartphone! Apr 24 20:34:17 if I'll have more questions, I'll be sure to bug you some more! :D Apr 24 20:34:47 creatorbri: I've been pretty happy with the Pre so far, but agreed that it'll be nice to see something different Apr 24 20:34:53 Hardware-wise, that is Apr 24 20:35:09 ianbeck, oh, just one more question, sorry Apr 24 20:35:23 do you have this book and is it any good? http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596155254/index.html Apr 24 20:35:50 Based on the reviews I've read, don't bother with that Apr 24 20:36:11 I bought this one, and it's been pretty helpful, though: http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430226749 Apr 24 20:36:29 Apparently the O'Reilly one has some misinformation, and not a whole lot of useful examples Apr 24 20:37:17 ah nice, just found that book on amazon as well. Apr 24 20:37:58 hi ho Apr 24 20:38:17 seems like a really nice little device :) Apr 24 20:39:19 I just wish there was more info on european availability Apr 24 20:39:24 had to spend too much time finding it :) Apr 24 20:39:36 Heh, yeah Apr 24 20:40:51 ianbeck, I assume you are from europe as well? Apr 24 20:41:00 Nope, USA for me Apr 24 20:41:21 Wondering about European availability since I'd like to localize the app Apr 24 20:41:50 ah! Apr 24 20:41:56 if you need translations, tell me :D Apr 24 20:42:01 I thought the european availability of webos phones was pretty well documented... What's the issue? Apr 24 20:42:07 Where is it documented? Apr 24 20:42:10 That's the issue :-) Apr 24 20:42:14 Couldn't find the info Apr 24 20:43:40 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2010/01/paid-applications-coming-to-webos-in-europe/ Apr 24 20:44:04 In Europe, Palm Pre is currently available in the UK, Ireland, Spain and Germany Apr 24 20:44:11 France next month. Apr 24 20:44:37 Nice, thanks for the link; not sure why that didn't come up in my Google searching Apr 24 20:45:00 Rick_work, seems like you can buy them in some other countries as well tho Apr 24 20:45:37 pygi not officially. Apr 24 20:45:48 true Apr 24 20:46:40 try http://www.palm.com/intl/ Apr 24 20:46:50 Webos apps are distributed to users in 13 countries. Apr 24 20:47:34 France SFR - pre+ and pixi + Apr 24 20:47:37 Rick_work, well, but if I get it in slovenia (and use in croatia) I should be able to get apps without a problem Apr 24 20:47:39 imho? Apr 24 20:48:46 depends. App catalog is distributed and identified by carrier. Apr 24 20:49:15 sight Apr 24 20:49:20 sigh* Apr 24 20:49:46 hi Rick_work how's the conference? Apr 24 20:49:52 but what that's linked to is your palm profile and what carrier.country is linked to your palm profile. Apr 24 20:50:07 Once you get a profile setup it doesn't matter what carrier you get to the app catalog from. Apr 24 20:51:03 So, you can use meta-doctor to setup a palm profile for sprint or verizon or o2 or sfr or vodaphone even if your phone is on slovenian national cellphone Inc. Apr 24 20:56:26 right Apr 24 21:02:37 question! Apr 24 21:02:42 I have a Pré incoming. Apr 24 21:02:52 do I have to do anything to it to start apps on it, debug, etc? Apr 24 21:03:04 (I'll need to do stuff with the PDK, if that helps) Apr 24 21:06:37 millenomi: I think the webos site will explain the steps you need to take. Should be pretty simple tho Apr 24 21:07:00 I have found it for the PDK, but not for regular Mojo apps. I assume I have to do nothing? Apr 24 21:07:16 iirc you just need to enable developer mode Apr 24 21:07:36 then it's a matter of plugging the device in to USB and using the tools provided in the SDK Apr 24 21:07:42 ok Apr 24 21:07:43 thanks :) Apr 24 22:37:58 haeffb_pre: is there a reference for that fancy icon css stuff Apr 24 23:06:03 Roy-Pre101: you !! Apr 24 23:06:18 zsoc: I'm usin' precorder to record interviews. Apr 24 23:06:29 Although, it barfed on me once and I lost half an interview. Apr 24 23:06:43 Roy-Pre101: IT'S IN THE TESTING FEEDS Apr 24 23:06:43 :p Apr 24 23:06:52 So? Apr 24 23:07:03 so it's not for production use, ie: things you can't afford to lose Apr 24 23:07:15 Roy-Pre101: also, if you're only recording voice, turn the stream down to 8000 is my suggestion Apr 24 23:07:21 or maybe 11025 Apr 24 23:07:41 Roy-Pre101: anyway, i'm trying to figure out how the icon attribute works in a widget... there's some css class magic going on? Know where I can find an example? Apr 24 23:07:58 Roy-Pre101: but thanks for testing ^_^ Apr 24 23:08:45 which widget? Apr 24 23:08:50 commandMenu Apr 24 23:09:01 Mmm, I haven't worked with it yet. But check out menus on webos101.com Apr 24 23:09:07 I think acarback put some examples up there. Apr 24 23:09:16 i looked :/ Apr 24 23:09:28 Hmm... Apr 24 23:10:54 http://www.webos101.com/Menu_Icons Apr 24 23:10:58 this has a list of 'default' icons Apr 24 23:15:16 yep. Apr 24 23:15:48 Roy-Pre101: but you can put your own in.. like define them somewhere in css Apr 24 23:15:51 as a class Apr 24 23:15:52 i'm unsure how Apr 24 23:17:35 When you figure it out update the command menu example with an icon. Apr 24 23:18:02 Oh, I think I found the log where haeff explained it, but i was wasted so I didn't understand Apr 24 23:18:22 .done-icon-star-0-small { background: url(../images/icon-star-16x16.png) center center no-repeat; } Apr 24 23:18:32 that's... too simple.. just sets the background as that image Apr 24 23:18:42 i wonder how it will treat transparencies. I'll find out. Apr 24 23:18:44 Ah, use iconPath Apr 24 23:19:15 the icon class could be used like that I guess. Apr 24 23:19:15 and then icon: 'done-icon-star-0-small' in the model? Apr 24 23:19:21 or is there another trick? Apr 24 23:19:40 iconPath: "images/star.jpg" might work, too Apr 24 23:19:58 Did you try that? Apr 24 23:20:11 absolutely not Apr 24 23:20:21 is iconPath in mojo docs anywhere? Apr 24 23:20:23 yes Apr 24 23:20:28 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1994&Itemid=328#.commandMenu Apr 24 23:20:58 Can you add info about custom icons to the command menu or just the menu page on webos101.com when you've got it working the way you want? Apr 24 23:21:00 awesome Apr 24 23:21:10 Roy-Pre101: I suppose I owe it to you :> Apr 24 23:27:24 zsoc: I don't know. I just looked at sample apps. Apr 24 23:30:40 * haeffb trying to remove spyware from the in-laws computer Apr 24 23:31:09 haeffb: malwarebytes ftw Apr 24 23:32:24 spybot currently running Apr 24 23:34:29 Robi_: iconPath works great! Apr 24 23:34:39 Robi_: er.. sorry, bad tab complete Apr 24 23:34:45 Roy-Pre101: iconPath works great! :> Apr 24 23:34:49 zsoc: Woohoo! Apr 24 23:37:04 Roy-Pre101: devdays done? Apr 24 23:38:05 haeffb: Still going. Apr 24 23:38:10 Roy-Pre101: wiki updated Apr 24 23:38:27 zsoc: You rock! Apr 24 23:38:49 Roy-Pre101: I don't even update my own wiki, I get blokes in #webos-internals to do it lol Apr 24 23:40:17 hah Apr 24 23:41:52 that facebook track was packed!!! Apr 24 23:45:05 hm... font-size isn't supported Apr 24 23:46:52 crap, do i need to use em instead of px? Apr 24 23:47:31 Yep Apr 24 23:47:38 webOS is the new internet explorer. I am horrified. Apr 24 23:48:19 zsoc: I'd double-check that assumption. Apr 24 23:48:46 zsoc: px works in my apps. what situation are you using font-size in? Apr 24 23:50:12 Tibfib: font-size: 20px; did not work. font-size: 2.5em; /did/ work. Apr 24 23:51:35 warning: indicated new content, but not active. <-- does this indicate anything? Apr 24 23:52:26 zsoc: font-size: 20px; works for me Apr 24 23:52:47 odd Apr 24 23:52:54 well then it's just me :> sorry Apr 24 23:53:54 spybot is about 10% thru scan. Apr 24 23:54:14 found two malware entries and two security issues alreaday Apr 24 23:54:44 haeffb: malwarebytes Apr 24 23:54:54 or install linux, either way Apr 24 23:55:21 or safemode + turn off everything in msconfig, heh Apr 24 23:55:25 have malwarebytes now, but spybot was already started scanning Apr 24 23:59:41 this machine has only 512MB RAM Apr 25 00:00:29 that's almost impossible Apr 25 00:00:41 how do you play farmville with 512MB ram? Apr 25 00:00:50 I've decided that's what everyone does. I've seen 80 year old guys playing farmville. Apr 25 00:01:03 my wife has to go feed her pigs... Apr 25 00:01:14 ...or sheep...or something. Apr 25 00:01:21 :> Apr 25 00:01:55 you have bacon in ther yard?! Apr 25 00:02:12 and it's stil alive Apr 25 00:34:46 How do I disable an individual item in a viewMenu or commandMenu? Apr 25 00:35:32 If i target this.controller.modelChanged(this.cmdMenuModel);, I assume it'll disable all of the items Apr 25 00:36:08 zsoc: that's something that id like to know as well Apr 25 00:36:38 i can try assigning items to memory with a var Apr 25 00:38:30 are you wanting the item permanently disabled? or to be dynamic? Apr 25 00:40:00 BigBiff: i have various functions that, while being called, disabled and enable various buttons in the commandmenu Apr 25 00:40:26 i c - obviously, i have no clue, but someone does, and Apr 25 00:40:36 haeffb: you i hope? :D Apr 25 00:40:38 when you find it - post it on webos 101 Apr 25 00:40:44 BigBiff: will do Apr 25 00:40:49 cool Apr 25 00:41:29 haeffb: done! looks good!! Apr 25 00:43:12 i'll also say - tethering my pre! where have i been on that!!!!!!! Apr 25 00:43:26 that's a life changer Apr 25 00:44:03 hmm, i found my phone. Apr 25 00:44:04 it was under my cat. Apr 25 00:46:59 hehe Apr 25 00:48:22 zsoc: disable the buttons? or hide them? Apr 25 00:48:47 Tibfib: flip the disable boolean Apr 25 00:49:00 just true/false Apr 25 00:49:22 it works now the way i have it with buttons, but each buttons i separate. i'm moving from buttons to a command menu and some of them are grouped items Apr 25 00:51:18 "the framework tracks model objects, not model variable names." Apr 25 00:51:21 there's gotta be a way to do this Apr 25 00:51:43 zsoc... Apr 25 00:51:51 zsoc: can't you just redeclare this.model with the individual buttons disabled? then do a modelChanged Apr 25 00:52:07 Tibfib: how do I have multiple models for 1 commandMenu? Apr 25 00:52:19 haeffb: ? Apr 25 00:52:21 you can't/don't need it Apr 25 00:52:25 you don't need multiple models. Apr 25 00:52:29 * zsoc thinks Apr 25 00:52:31 your model contains all of the list items Apr 25 00:52:33 the model contains the properties for each menu item Apr 25 00:52:35 err command items Apr 25 00:52:46 post your model Apr 25 00:52:49 pastebin Apr 25 00:53:00 this.cmdMenuModel.disabed: true will disable /every item/ in that model, won't it? Apr 25 00:53:13 let me show you what i mean Apr 25 00:53:32 {label: $L('Export to Google'), command: 'doGoogle', disabled: false}, Apr 25 00:53:48 this.cmdMenuModel.items[2].disabled = true; Apr 25 00:53:52 haeffb: what, what part of that do i reference? Apr 25 00:53:54 IT'S AN ARRAY?! Apr 25 00:53:58 duh. Apr 25 00:54:05 Why didn't you just say "items are an array" Apr 25 00:54:06 listen to haeffb, his version is a simpler version of what i was saying Apr 25 00:54:09 haha Apr 25 00:54:10 and i would have just been like "oh. thanks" Apr 25 00:54:11 items: is an array Apr 25 00:54:22 doh Apr 25 00:54:23 haeffb: I assume the first item is [0]? :p Apr 25 00:54:40 and sometimes items[0].items is also an array Apr 25 00:54:42 yes Apr 25 00:55:02 * BigBiff smacks forehead Apr 25 00:55:06 yeah well my items have other items, so likely that is the case Apr 25 00:55:10 haeffb: you are awesome, as always :) Apr 25 00:55:16 Tibfib: thank you for chiming in Apr 25 00:55:31 heh, I would have gotten you there.... it would have just been harder my way ;) Apr 25 00:55:49 Tibfib: various methods generally have various pros :) Apr 25 00:56:40 Does javascript support any sort of enum? Where I can give string values instead of using array markers? (so the purpose of the code in these other methods isn't obfuscated) Apr 25 00:56:44 i guess i can just comment those lines Apr 25 00:57:52 javascript can do items[abc].disabled = true; Apr 25 00:58:03 haeffb: a... b... c? Apr 25 00:58:10 however, that is no longer an array, and likely will no longer work in the menu Apr 25 00:58:18 i see Apr 25 00:58:21 sorry. items['abc'] Apr 25 00:58:32 this.cmdMenuModel.items[0].items[0].disable Apr 25 00:58:36 sorry, using the room as a pastebin lol Apr 25 00:58:43 .disabled = true Apr 25 00:59:00 then modelChanged to get it to stick Apr 25 00:59:17 yes, i have the advantage of already having this implemented in a way that works, just changing things Apr 25 01:00:02 * haeffb has a DC auto adapter for powering my laptop...need to get freeTether working so I can go down the road. Apr 25 01:01:21 can someone help me with background applications? Apr 25 01:01:44 hahahah Chriswebos: welcome to the club Apr 25 01:02:02 I can in about three weeks... Apr 25 01:02:09 Chriswebos: on IRC, it's a generally good practice not to ask if you can ask a question, but to ask the question, supplying the necessary information :) Apr 25 01:02:10 ...after I figure it out for myself. Apr 25 01:02:24