**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 28 02:59:56 2010
Apr 28 03:00:06 <haeffb> so, why exactly, am I avoiding it?
Apr 28 03:03:21 <BigBiff> interesting
Apr 28 03:03:40 <haeffb> maybe
Apr 28 03:03:45 <haeffb> or maybe not
Apr 28 03:04:29 <BigBiff> custom button skins - the trick is to not add x-mojo-element (i've just learned this)
Apr 28 03:04:56 <BigBiff> i guess that's common knowledge
Apr 28 03:05:07 <BigBiff> (cept for me)
Apr 28 03:05:08 * haeffb didn't know.
Apr 28 03:05:27 <haeffb> but, then, I've never tried to make a custom button.
Apr 28 03:05:41 <BigBiff> weird - if you have the x-mojo-element, it uses your skin, but places the default skin on top
Apr 28 03:05:51 * haeffb has to go to sleep. Giving performance reviews in the morning.
Apr 28 03:05:53 <haeffb> laters.
Apr 28 03:06:04 <BigBiff> cool
Apr 28 03:06:07 <BigBiff> later
Apr 28 03:06:18 <haeffb> oh, and the POTUS is coming to town in the morning.
Apr 28 03:06:29 <BigBiff> really?
Apr 28 03:06:33 <haeffb> but I'm not invited.
Apr 28 03:06:43 <BigBiff> not a dem contributor?
Apr 28 03:06:46 <BigBiff> hehe
Apr 28 03:07:04 <BigBiff> he looked rough on the america documentary yesterday
Apr 28 03:07:11 <BigBiff> tired
Apr 28 03:07:18 <haeffb> http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+macon+mo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Apr 28 03:08:04 <BigBiff> sounds exciting
Apr 28 03:08:29 * haeffb don't know wtf he's coming to Macon. but, guess he can do pretty much whatever he wants.
Apr 28 03:08:49 <BigBiff> pretty much - as long as theres a runway big enough....
Apr 28 03:09:08 <BigBiff> well have fun with performance reviews
Apr 28 03:09:13 <haeffb> lol
Apr 28 03:09:29 <haeffb> it's really no fun being on either side.
Apr 28 03:09:35 <BigBiff> sure
Apr 28 03:09:46 <BigBiff> i'm a high school teacher......
Apr 28 03:10:27 <BigBiff> i get it from every side
Apr 28 03:13:43 <zsoc> coolest. hs teacher. ever.
Apr 28 03:14:25 <haeffb> there I went.
Apr 28 03:15:07 <haeffb> and here I come...
Apr 28 03:17:16 <zsoc> wirc has brought about a new error of announcing one's own comings and goings
Apr 28 03:17:48 <zsoc> s/error/era/
Apr 28 03:18:15 <zsoc> personally, i enjoy injuring my wirc counterpart, forcing his untimely demise.
Apr 28 03:21:40 <haeffb_pre> so you're saying it's wrong?
Apr 28 03:26:16 <rick-home> hi all
Apr 28 03:31:01 <LoneStar99> hi rick-home
Apr 28 03:37:50 <zsoc> haeffb_pre: wrong? right and wrong is a concept at odds since the beginning of time
Apr 28 03:37:53 <zsoc> also, gin.
Apr 28 03:40:52 <haeffb> rick-home: why can I not do this...? http://www.pastie.org/938458
Apr 28 03:41:08 <haeffb> snycCallback never makes it to handleLaunch
Apr 28 03:47:46 <LoneStar99> do the numbers of downloads of a paid app display a change these days, or does one have to wait till following month...
Apr 28 03:48:45 <haeffb_pre> changes daily except weekends
Apr 28 03:49:40 <LoneStar99> really, so if I have not seen any changes since saturday, that means nothing has been sold?
Apr 28 03:51:08 <rick-home> haeffb  I have no idea why you can't do that.  What does it tell you?
Apr 28 03:52:40 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre: for example my downloads has been at 279 (no change) for a week, so that means nothing has been sold for a week?
Apr 28 03:53:30 <rick-home> LoneStar99  Yes.  Downloads are updated daily.
Apr 28 03:53:35 <rick-home> except on weekends.
Apr 28 03:53:53 <LoneStar99> damn, i and "screwed"
Apr 28 03:53:54 <rick-home> As of last week, the download count algorythm has changed to reflect only CLEARED transactions.
Apr 28 03:54:16 <rick-home> so, if you download it, the count does not update until 1 to 3 days later when the money posts from the cc company.
Apr 28 03:54:59 <LoneStar99> k - just checking, my apps are officially dead
Apr 28 03:56:14 <haeffb_pre> rick-home: nothing. launchParams.syncCallback just doesn't exist
Apr 28 03:56:33 <haeffb_pre> launchParams.action does.
Apr 28 03:56:55 <haeffb_pre> launchParams.dashInfo does.
Apr 28 04:21:58 <LoneStar99> you all think it is bad to submit an upgrade with the only change being price?
Apr 28 04:23:13 <zsoc> LoneStar99: you wouldn't be the first
Apr 28 04:24:59 <LoneStar99> right on, will upload "update" then
Apr 28 04:28:37 <LoneStar99> need to test out the download column, no movement in a week
Apr 28 04:31:35 <dohtem> can I package and install my app from the Eclipse IDE, or is it command line only?
Apr 28 04:36:35 <ron_frown> ladies
Apr 28 04:39:02 <LoneStar99> dohtem: install into device?
Apr 28 04:40:00 <LoneStar99> from Eclipse you mean?
Apr 28 04:44:10 <dohtem> yeah
Apr 28 04:46:57 <LoneStar99> command line only
Apr 28 04:48:31 <LoneStar99> you know the command?
Apr 28 05:00:36 <dohtem> LoneStar99: oh, yeah I do.
Apr 28 05:00:55 <dohtem> I just thought I was missing something
Apr 28 05:01:47 <LoneStar99> neah, command line =(
Apr 28 07:19:46 <noaXess> good morning..
Apr 28 07:19:56 <rwhitby> g'day
Apr 28 07:23:14 <noaXess> rwhitby: how was the dev day's?
Apr 28 07:23:24 <rwhitby> noaXess: I'm in Australia, I wasn't there.
Apr 28 07:24:33 <noaXess> ah.. ok.. .. swisstomcat was there... and he said, was really good and a lot of interessting information..
Apr 28 07:25:36 <noaXess> rwhitby: i will tweet you as thomi_ch. is that ok?
Apr 28 07:25:50 <rwhitby> ok
Apr 28 07:26:16 <dohtem> night
Apr 28 07:26:57 <noaXess> how can i update the hint of a wiget on the fly?
Apr 28 07:27:03 <noaXess> the hintText..
Apr 28 07:55:29 <millenomi> :)
Apr 28 07:55:29 <millenomi> http://gist.github.com/381848
Apr 28 08:00:23 <warpdesign> millenomi: what's that ?
Apr 28 08:00:41 <millenomi> a rake library for building Mojo apps.
Apr 28 08:00:59 <millenomi> since my Uber Technological Cross Stuff Build System Of Doom is rake-based, it helps me.
Apr 28 08:01:44 <warpdesign> ok
Apr 28 08:01:47 <warpdesign> what's rake ?
Apr 28 08:02:38 <Woody4u> ruby make
Apr 28 08:06:41 <warpdesign> ah, right
Apr 28 08:06:45 <warpdesign> ruby seems o be nice
Apr 28 08:06:53 <warpdesign> I should have a look at it
Apr 28 08:30:31 <noaXess> is there a way to include another json file into a json file?
Apr 28 08:31:02 <millenomi> no
Apr 28 08:31:04 <millenomi> :(
Apr 28 08:34:12 <noaXess> so if i write english and german app i need to put also the english strings.json into resources/en/ resources/es/ and resources/it/??
Apr 28 08:34:28 <noaXess> and resources/fr/
Apr 28 08:34:54 <noaXess> or is there another way ot set en for default if localization of the phone is eg. fr?
Apr 28 08:49:49 <warpdesign_> re
Apr 28 08:50:36 <millenomi> noaXess: if you don't have a language, just skip the resources/xx/ folder for it.
Apr 28 08:52:08 <noaXess> millenomi: but then.. it won't work.. have all the label descripstion in strings.json.. and if i change my emulator to eg. spain.. then i see the label variable instead of the label value..
Apr 28 08:52:19 <millenomi> ah, m
Apr 28 08:58:27 <warpdesign_> what's the default encoding of html/js in webos ? tried setting the meta encoding url to utf8, but my utf8 strings aren't interpreted as utf8
Apr 28 08:58:40 <warpdesign_> is there a way to alter the encoding type
Apr 28 08:58:48 <warpdesign_> (encoding type, not url..)
Apr 28 09:05:44 <millenomi> IIRC in WebKit js's encoding will be autodetected if not specified in the type or charset
Apr 28 09:05:56 <millenomi> <script type="text/javascript;encoding=utf-8">
Apr 28 09:06:06 <millenomi> or something of the sort
Apr 28 09:11:39 <thedeftone> Hi
Apr 28 09:12:20 <thedeftone> My App was just rejected by the review team because there are entries in the app menu that don't do anything
Apr 28 09:13:11 <thedeftone> But I didn't create the menu items
Apr 28 09:13:40 <thedeftone> Is there a way to remove the Preferences and the Help menu entry?
Apr 28 09:33:02 <noaXess> where should i define a global variable that will be changed in a function in different ways? outsite the screen creator function or inside it?
Apr 28 09:34:18 <noaXess> there is a way to remove default menu entries.. wait a second
Apr 28 09:35:05 <noaXess> thedeftone: read here http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1994&Itemid=328
Apr 28 09:40:30 <warpdesign_> seems like the app process is strict... more than what I thought
Apr 28 12:56:17 <Roy-Pre101> noaXess: There's some good stuff on menus on webos101.com
Apr 28 12:56:29 <Roy-Pre101> (just for future reference)
Apr 28 13:37:16 <rolsworth> there is a wifi media sync app in the catalog but too expensiive
Apr 28 13:38:33 <Woody4u> im waiting for dropbox
Apr 28 13:38:53 <rolsworth> what is that
Apr 28 13:40:20 <Woody4u> http://bit.ly/awWPay - an folder sync
Apr 28 13:40:52 <Woody4u> Available for win, mac, linux and iPhone
Apr 28 13:41:03 <Woody4u> hope on an ebos port
Apr 28 13:41:10 <rolsworth> does that sync music from pc to pre wireless?
Apr 28 13:42:12 <Woody4u> dropbox is a sync anything
Apr 28 13:42:16 <Woody4u> but not yet on the pre
Apr 28 13:42:36 <l_a_m> does someone try unit tests on webos ?
Apr 28 13:42:47 <l_a_m> i can see my unit tests but none passed
Apr 28 13:42:59 <l_a_m> Passed: 0, Failed: 0, Total: 0
Apr 28 13:43:04 <l_a_m> any idea ?
Apr 28 13:43:36 <sugardave> you're looking at it wrong....you had no failures :D
Apr 28 13:43:53 <l_a_m> i must have failure :)
Apr 28 13:46:48 <rolsworth> anyone know if palm will be releasing a new device before year end?
Apr 28 13:47:53 * sugardave has heard rumors of the C40.
Apr 28 13:48:35 <rolsworth> that appeared on sprint log since August of last year
Apr 28 13:48:44 <sugardave> yep
Apr 28 13:49:06 <rolsworth> i doubt it is a new phone
Apr 28 13:49:32 <rolsworth> if the pre had a better build quality and more of what it has now at launch it would have done a lot better
Apr 28 13:50:00 * sugardave still has his launch Pre.
Apr 28 13:50:27 <rolsworth> i have the same pre since about september
Apr 28 13:50:57 <rolsworth> i bought one for the Mrs just over a month ago and the screen was giving problems. sometimes it wouldn't turn on
Apr 28 13:51:06 <sugardave> lame
Apr 28 13:51:23 <sugardave> if the C40 is a decent upgrade, my wife may inherit my Pre
Apr 28 13:51:26 <rolsworth> got a replacement yesterday and some of the keys are basically stuck so no click when you press
Apr 28 13:51:41 <rolsworth> i am taking it back today again
Apr 28 13:51:51 <sugardave> bummer, good luck
Apr 28 13:52:21 <rolsworth> i don't know. i have not heard anything saying the c40 is even a phone
Apr 28 13:52:30 <rolsworth> could have been some error in sprint systems
Apr 28 13:53:40 <rolsworth> overall i like the size and feel of the pre but if they do upgrade i would welcome something a little bigger but with the same kind of slide out keyboard
Apr 28 13:54:06 <rolsworth> cannot stand landscape keyboards
Apr 28 13:54:16 <sugardave> yeah, I like the slide-out, though micro-SD would be a good addition, I think
Apr 28 14:29:18 <Kuraiou> hmmm.
Apr 28 14:29:31 <Kuraiou> when I went to the app catalog yesterday, all the low scores for my app had been removed.
Apr 28 14:29:38 <Kuraiou> how does that happen?
Apr 28 14:31:06 <Roy-Pre101> Kuraiou: Chuq
Apr 28 14:31:10 <Kuraiou> neato.
Apr 28 14:31:13 <CTLAdvance> Anyone here ever use the accelerometer
Apr 28 14:33:04 <Kuraiou> nope :( just shake events
Apr 28 14:41:14 <halfhalo> wassssaaap
Apr 28 14:46:47 <CTLAdvance> yeah I am using shake now
Apr 28 14:46:49 <CTLAdvance> works good
Apr 28 14:47:34 <halfhalo> shakeshakeshake, shakeshakeshake, shake you booty
Apr 28 14:51:25 <halfhalo> I'm getting strange looks again for having two phones
Apr 28 14:57:58 * halfhalo is using pre plus dev phone to show off webos
Apr 28 15:15:35 <Kuraiou> hah, ratchet and clank reference ftw.
Apr 28 15:31:32 <Roy-Pre101> CTLAdvance: http://webos101.com/Accelerometer
Apr 28 15:32:05 <Roy-Pre101> Also, Kuraiou and others:  If shake is something different from that (or you have some clarifications on detecting just shake data) you may want to edit that.
Apr 28 15:32:47 <Kuraiou> yeah, there are specific shake events (shakestart, shakeend)
Apr 28 15:32:55 <Kuraiou> it wouldn't be appropriate to put any of that in the accelerometer page
Apr 28 15:39:26 <ianbeck> I'm trying to listen to the position of my scene's default scroller with Mojo.Event.propertyChange, but the event is never getting dispatched
Apr 28 15:39:31 <ianbeck> Am I not listening to the right event?
Apr 28 15:39:51 <ianbeck> The listening code works fine; I can switch to scrollStarting and it's great
Apr 28 15:42:34 <ianbeck> Ah, Mojo.Event.dragging does the trick
Apr 28 15:42:36 <ianbeck> Nevermind
Apr 28 15:50:32 <Roy-Pre101> Kuraiou: Can you start a page on the shake events?
Apr 28 15:51:16 <Kuraiou> this.controller.listen(document, 'shakestart', this.handleShakeStart.bind(this));
Apr 28 15:51:20 <Kuraiou> you can do whatever you want on shake
Apr 28 15:51:26 <Kuraiou> I use it to roll dice in dice roller
Apr 28 15:51:30 <Roy-Pre101> ianbeck: That would be a great addition to http://webos101.com/Scroller
Apr 28 15:52:04 <Roy-Pre101> Kuraiou: Can you specify any parameters for the shake at all?  How strong it has to be, etc?
Apr 28 15:52:15 <Kuraiou> nope :(
Apr 28 15:52:25 <Kuraiou> it's just some thing triggered by the system.
Apr 28 15:52:47 <Roy-Pre101> Bummer.  I suspect it's pretty sensitive.
Apr 28 15:53:05 <Roy-Pre101> Might be good to write up the basic and say 'if you want more control, use the accelerometer'
Apr 28 15:53:27 <Kuraiou> er, wait
Apr 28 15:53:32 <Kuraiou> you can check magnitude
Apr 28 15:53:38 <Kuraiou> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1554&Itemid=19
Apr 28 15:53:41 <Kuraiou> this.controller.listen(document, 'shaking', this.handleShaking.bindAsEventListener(this));
Apr 28 15:53:42 <Kuraiou>  ...
Apr 28 15:53:42 <Kuraiou> MyAssistant.prototype.shaking(event) {
Apr 28 15:53:42 <Kuraiou>     Mojo.Log.info("Shaking with magnitude: ", event.magnitude);
Apr 28 15:53:42 <Kuraiou> );
Apr 28 16:17:06 <CTLAdvance> anyone Listen to the precentral palmcast
Apr 28 16:18:13 <CTLAdvance> anyone Listen to the precentral palmcast
Apr 28 16:18:21 <halfhalo_T400> si
Apr 28 16:18:45 <CTLAdvance> Make sure to download the keithnewmanapp (darthpooh79) for free
Apr 28 16:18:46 <CTLAdvance> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ctladvance.bobbleheadkeith
Apr 28 16:18:54 <halfhalo_T400> AHAHAHAAHA
Apr 28 16:20:12 <Roy-Pre101> heh
Apr 28 16:21:47 <halfhalo_T400> hmmm
Apr 28 16:22:00 <halfhalo_T400> I don't know if I have my big battery in my pre or not....
Apr 28 16:22:38 <halfhalo_T400> well, apparently I do
Apr 28 16:22:53 <halfhalo_T400> Lets see... pulled it off the charger 2 hours ago
Apr 28 16:22:58 <halfhalo_T400> it is now at.... 50%
Apr 28 16:23:11 <CTLAdvance> what are you doing to it
Apr 28 16:23:20 <Roy-Pre101> reboot time!
Apr 28 16:23:20 <halfhalo_T400> Mostly IRC/web
Apr 28 16:23:25 <Roy-Pre101> oh
Apr 28 16:23:27 <Roy-Pre101> well.
Apr 28 16:23:32 <CTLAdvance> You know I am using the 800mhz patch now, and I have to say, I actually get better battery life
Apr 28 16:23:41 <CTLAdvance> yeah
Apr 28 16:23:55 <CTLAdvance> you need the 3800 mah battery
Apr 28 16:24:04 <halfhalo_T400> psha
Apr 28 16:24:13 <halfhalo_T400> Left my other battery at home
Apr 28 16:24:18 <CTLAdvance> then you will have a tank phone
Apr 28 16:24:20 <halfhalo_T400> although I DO have the plus with me
Apr 28 16:24:26 <CTLAdvance> makes it like 3 inches thick
Apr 28 16:24:27 <halfhalo_T400> but it does not have tower defence
Apr 28 17:00:49 <Kuraiou> chuqui: paaaaaypaaaaaaaaal
Apr 28 17:01:38 <halfhalo_T400> ebay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 28 17:03:58 <CTLAdvance> I scared him away with a wierd question
Apr 28 17:04:17 <halfhalo_T400> hah
Apr 28 17:04:39 <CTLAdvance> He is probably checking with HR to see if he can respond to it
Apr 28 17:04:43 <CTLAdvance> ;)
Apr 28 17:14:01 <chuqui> kuralou: hellooo!!!!!!!!!! (echo... echo.... echo.....)
Apr 28 17:14:12 <halfhalo_T400> _thud_
Apr 28 17:39:15 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: You around?
Apr 28 17:46:44 <Kuraiou> so I got booted and if you said anything to me, chuqui, I missed it :*( sorry
Apr 28 18:10:02 <CTLAdvance> Kuraiou he only said hello... I might have heard an echo as well
Apr 28 18:10:12 <CTLAdvance> he is busy today
Apr 28 18:20:09 <Robdor> Anybody here using OpenGL with the PDK?  I'm getting my trash kicked by an odd blending issue...
Apr 28 18:25:57 <Kuraiou> Robdor: I sort of am, but I actually haven't gotten to the point where it's on the palm yet.... hahaha
Apr 28 18:26:06 <Kuraiou> but if you want OGL-centric help, maybe I can offer some advice.
Apr 28 18:27:24 <Robdor> Kuraiou: The problem I'm having actually only happens on the device when it is in full screen mode.  The blended textures look like they have their alpha turned down.  When I minimize it to card view the blended textures look as full and bright as they do on the desktop.
Apr 28 18:29:35 <Robdor> I've tried every glBlenFunc that I can think of and it doesn't help.  I may have just hit a bug...
Apr 28 18:30:02 <Robdor> err, glBlendFunc
Apr 28 18:34:15 <Kuraiou> .... gah
Apr 28 18:34:23 <Kuraiou> yeah, that's not something I can help with, I'm sorry :(
Apr 28 18:34:39 <Kuraiou> wait when you mean alpha do you actually mean transparency, or luminance?
Apr 28 18:34:59 <Kuraiou> do you have GL_LIGHTING turned on?
Apr 28 18:35:10 <Kuraiou> it may be that the distance between your camera and your object is increasing or something weird
Apr 28 18:36:26 <Robdor> I have GL_LIGHTING turned disabled.  It seems to be an alpha problem.
Apr 28 18:37:17 <Robdor> I'm actually not quite sure if it is entirely an alpha problem, it just looks that way to me.  I'm an OpenGL noob. :)
Apr 28 18:38:33 <Robdor> I'm creating an example app, because it is one of those problems that is easier to show than explain.
Apr 28 18:59:01 <Robdor> Kuraiou: I just solved my problem.  It was just one of those obvious mistakes that somehow seem to elude debugging.  I was setting the alpha option in glClearColor to 0.0f instead of 1.0f... :)
Apr 28 18:59:30 <Robdor> Changing it to 1.0f made my problems go away.
Apr 28 19:04:55 <Kuraiou> Robdor: :P
Apr 28 19:24:15 <halfhalo> well damn
Apr 28 19:24:26 <halfhalo> the 1400mah batteru is dead
Apr 28 19:26:31 <halfhalo> down to the backup battery
Apr 28 19:26:34 <halfhalo> which is down to 88%
Apr 28 19:30:29 * sugardave sips Dr. Pepper while his students toil and the neighbor kid mows the yard.  "Life is pretty alright."
Apr 28 19:31:17 <halfhalo> hah
Apr 28 19:31:39 <halfhalo> should be lemonade
Apr 28 19:31:43 <halfhalo> and in a hammock
Apr 28 19:32:10 <sugardave> yeah, we have no trees, plus my t60p screen sucks in the daylight
Apr 28 19:32:17 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 28 19:32:24 <halfhalo> who said hammock was outside?
Apr 28 19:32:30 <sugardave> ah, true
Apr 28 19:32:54 <sugardave> I could put a hammock in here, put my jolly roger flag over it for "shade"
Apr 28 19:32:56 <sugardave> hmmm...
Apr 28 19:34:34 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 28 20:07:46 <BigBiff> i love when adobe audition crashes and i forgot to save
Apr 28 20:08:00 <Roy-Pre101> BigBiff: Really? I'd hate that!
Apr 28 20:08:12 <nfoxTc> hp just bought out palm
Apr 28 20:08:13 <BigBiff> hehe
Apr 28 20:08:22 <sugardave> BigBiff = masochist?
Apr 28 20:08:29 <BigBiff> well, ya
Apr 28 20:08:35 <sugardave> just checking
Apr 28 20:08:44 <BigBiff> the cutting just makes me feel 'alive'
Apr 28 20:09:03 <BigBiff> hah, it backed it up - i'm safe
Apr 28 20:09:12 <sugardave> nfoxTc: for the lazy, do you have a link?
Apr 28 20:09:34 <nfoxTc> no, im watching cnbc and they just said it
Apr 28 20:09:39 <sugardave> ah
Apr 28 20:09:42 <sugardave> thanks
Apr 28 20:10:05 <nfoxTc> 1.2b, I would have guessed palm was worth more then that
Apr 28 20:11:54 <millenomi> I don't want my second favorite platform to go belly-up just as I FINALLY start dev'ing for it.
Apr 28 20:12:46 <nfoxTc> well they should be fine now
Apr 28 20:12:53 <millenomi> ? news?
Apr 28 20:12:59 <nfoxTc> hopefully hp doesnt change things too much
Apr 28 20:13:02 <nfoxTc> hp bought them
Apr 28 20:13:04 <millenomi> waitwaitwait
Apr 28 20:13:05 <millenomi> whoa
Apr 28 20:13:11 <nfoxTc> yes
Apr 28 20:13:12 <millenomi> I'm out for a day or so
Apr 28 20:13:15 <nfoxTc> It just came on the news
Apr 28 20:13:20 <sugardave> yeah, HP did WONDERS for Compaq
Apr 28 20:13:24 <millenomi> >_<
Apr 28 20:13:25 <sugardave> *grumble*
Apr 28 20:13:28 <nfoxTc> lol
Apr 28 20:13:37 <millenomi> 7 minutes
Apr 28 20:13:41 <millenomi> wow. hot off the press
Apr 28 20:13:46 <CTLAdvance> Great, as long as HP doesnt ipaq its ass I am alright with this
Apr 28 20:14:04 <nfoxTc> I agree
Apr 28 20:14:09 <sugardave> Carly's gone from HP, yeah?
Apr 28 20:14:12 <millenomi> hope the terms of the deal aren't webOS-averse.
Apr 28 20:14:14 <millenomi> yeah, she is
Apr 28 20:14:18 <millenomi> nasty breakup too
Apr 28 20:14:19 <CTLAdvance> remember hp's has no real mobile devision any more
Apr 28 20:14:21 <sugardave> that's hoepful, then
Apr 28 20:14:23 <nfoxTc> but atleast webos will survive
Apr 28 20:14:29 <CTLAdvance> webOS is just what it needs so I think it should be ok
Apr 28 20:14:42 <millenomi> ok.
Apr 28 20:14:55 <CTLAdvance> again so long as it doesnt ipaq its ass
Apr 28 20:15:23 <sugardave> iwaq
Apr 28 20:15:35 * millenomi crosses fingers.
Apr 28 20:15:38 <CTLAdvance> Can we say HP WebOS Slate
Apr 28 20:15:38 <millenomi> anyway
Apr 28 20:15:59 <CTLAdvance> Thats what I want, an HP WebOS Slate
Apr 28 20:16:01 <millenomi> dunno if it can be useful, but I did a set of Rake targets for (among other things) driving webOS app dev.
Apr 28 20:16:07 <nfoxTc> that would be nice CTLAdvance
Apr 28 20:16:10 <millenomi> http://github.com/millenomi/build_idioms
Apr 28 20:16:27 <millenomi> entire Rakefile is require 'build_idioms/webos'; BuildIdioms::WebOS.mojo_application
Apr 28 20:16:31 <CTLAdvance> The issue is going to be how much will hp alter the palm webOS
Apr 28 20:16:44 <CTLAdvance> if its just replacing palm with HP thats great
Apr 28 20:16:50 <millenomi> entirely undoc'd at the moment, but someone might find 'em useful.
Apr 28 20:16:55 <CTLAdvance> if its making some fd up gui crap then thats bad
Apr 28 20:16:58 <millenomi> rake run FTW.
Apr 28 20:17:15 <nfoxTc> I wouldnt mind a webos netbook to be honest
Apr 28 20:17:21 <nfoxTc> I already run linux so why not
Apr 28 20:17:26 <halfhalo> HP slate with webos? Hell yeah
Apr 28 20:17:32 <millenomi> it requires a redesign for that, iPad style.
Apr 28 20:17:51 <millenomi> entirely doable tho
Apr 28 20:18:11 <sugardave> what is rake?
Apr 28 20:18:16 <millenomi> ruby make
Apr 28 20:18:20 <sugardave> oh
Apr 28 20:18:25 <nfoxTc> I say a netbook phone! webos 3g/4g and webcam for video chat!
Apr 28 20:18:25 <pandora--> i can't believe i heard about HP/Palm from my wife first
Apr 28 20:18:27 <pandora--> wtf!
Apr 28 20:18:27 <nfoxTc> id buy one
Apr 28 20:18:31 <millenomi> lol
Apr 28 20:18:36 <halfhalo> Same
Apr 28 20:18:37 <CTLAdvance> quote from hp
Apr 28 20:18:39 <CTLAdvance> We’re thrilled by HP’s vote of confidence in Palm’s technological leadership, which delivered Palm webOS and iconic products such as the Palm Pre. HP’s longstanding culture of innovation, scale and global operating resources make it the perfect partner to rapidly accelerate the growth of webOS
Apr 28 20:18:42 <pandora--> ok.. so... is this legit? the real deal? HP?
Apr 28 20:18:47 <millenomi> yea
Apr 28 20:18:48 <halfhalo> Honestly, I think hp will do right by palm
Apr 28 20:18:49 <CTLAdvance> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2010/100428xa.html
Apr 28 20:18:59 <pandora--> my wife rocks
Apr 28 20:18:59 <dpivs> oh crud, does this mean they're gonna swallow up Palm like Compaq?
Apr 28 20:19:00 <sugardave> press con in 40 minutes
Apr 28 20:19:00 <pandora--> lo
Apr 28 20:19:06 <CTLAdvance> nah netbooks are crap
Apr 28 20:19:10 <CTLAdvance> we need webos tablet
Apr 28 20:19:14 <nfoxTc> nah netbooks are nice
Apr 28 20:19:21 <pandora--> CTLAdvance: ah yeah
Apr 28 20:19:22 <nfoxTc> I use my netbook more then my desktop
Apr 28 20:19:26 <CTLAdvance> you might as well have a macbook or pc notebook
Apr 28 20:19:28 <millenomi> we need webos with hardware acceleration
Apr 28 20:19:30 <pandora--> a palmpad
Apr 28 20:19:38 <CTLAdvance> ugh no
Apr 28 20:19:39 <millenomi> coming from ip os, having it lag so much is VERY annoying
Apr 28 20:19:40 <halfhalo> I think if hp puts its thinking caps on for hardware and leaves software to palm its a win=win
Apr 28 20:19:59 <nfoxTc> I agree halfhalo
Apr 28 20:20:08 <nfoxTc> long as they don't change things of the software side
Apr 28 20:20:13 <millenomi> fortunately it was announced on sat IIRC
Apr 28 20:20:20 <millenomi> if that's still the timetable
Apr 28 20:20:22 <nfoxTc> but palm needs some help in the hardware department
Apr 28 20:20:31 <pandora-->  /join #hp
Apr 28 20:20:53 <millenomi> palm also needs to stop being so coy and sell the stuff in more countries. even full-price and unlocked, where it's reasonable to do so.
Apr 28 20:21:07 <millenomi> example: 95% of Italy has no contract. all prepaid, all phones paid in advance.
Apr 28 20:21:13 <millenomi> even 500€ iPhones.
Apr 28 20:21:22 <millenomi> it would really give 'em a run for their money here.
Apr 28 20:21:22 <pandora--> millenomi: they've been doing that
Apr 28 20:21:31 <millenomi> really? I had to import mine from Germany
Apr 28 20:21:37 <pandora--> millenomi: they've been rolling it out
Apr 28 20:21:42 <pandora--> millenomi: it just came out last year
Apr 28 20:21:53 <pandora--> they've been doing pretty good, all things considered
Apr 28 20:21:55 <millenomi> Nokia does six-months world launches.
Apr 28 20:22:05 <millenomi> Palm has an existing network of resellers and distributors.
Apr 28 20:22:12 <millenomi> I don't see an excuse there.
Apr 28 20:22:35 <millenomi> prolly a matter of money
Apr 28 20:22:40 <halfhalo> yeah
Apr 28 20:22:54 <millenomi> we'll see
Apr 28 20:23:00 <millenomi> done right this can really be good.
Apr 28 20:23:07 <CTLAdvance> Actually I am excited by this
Apr 28 20:23:08 <millenomi> on my part I'm porting my stuff to webOS.
Apr 28 20:23:08 <nfoxTc> turn to cnbc guys
Apr 28 20:23:26 <sugardave> I can't, stupid teaching class
Apr 28 20:23:27 <CTLAdvance> HP is my fav hardware vendor for PC... now mobile vendor
Apr 28 20:24:13 <nfoxTc> they just said webos will be on the slate
Apr 28 20:24:20 <nfoxTc> instead of a m$ os
Apr 28 20:24:23 <pandora--> nfoxTc: really?
Apr 28 20:24:25 <sugardave> woo!
Apr 28 20:24:37 <nfoxTc> yes
Apr 28 20:24:37 <bougyman> HP?
Apr 28 20:24:44 <millenomi> what?
Apr 28 20:24:45 <millenomi> wow
Apr 28 20:24:51 <pandora--> nfoxTc: link?
Apr 28 20:24:54 <pandora--> nfoxTc: sauce?
Apr 28 20:24:56 <sugardave> tv
Apr 28 20:25:00 <nfoxTc> tv
Apr 28 20:25:04 <pandora--> badass
Apr 28 20:25:09 <nfoxTc> but I do have some sauce..want some?
Apr 28 20:25:20 <sugardave> now I will have to get a slate...
Apr 28 20:25:30 <sugardave> my daughter will be pissed
Apr 28 20:25:46 <nfoxTc> mmm a linux tablet huh
Apr 28 20:26:17 <sugardave> shh, haeffb_pre is here
Apr 28 20:26:29 <haeffb_pre> HP buys Palm....
Apr 28 20:26:41 <haeffb_pre> ...& nobody says anything?
Apr 28 20:26:55 <sugardave> we have already done the up and down on that :D
Apr 28 20:26:58 <pandora--> haeffb_pre: that's what we're talking about man!
Apr 28 20:27:03 <sugardave> you are late
Apr 28 20:27:08 <pandora--> haeffb_pre: we've also infiltrated #hp
Apr 28 20:27:19 <CTLAdvance> per cnbc hp is going to accelerate webOS to make sure it can expand the market
Apr 28 20:27:24 <CTLAdvance> mobile market
Apr 28 20:27:31 <CTLAdvance> also think HP Slate with WebOS
Apr 28 20:27:36 <CTLAdvance> oooo even better
Apr 28 20:27:42 <CTLAdvance> dual boot win 7 and webos
Apr 28 20:27:45 <haeffb_pre> my wirc connection must have collapsed
Apr 28 20:27:49 <sugardave> what happens with the phones?  hp doesn't make them
Apr 28 20:28:03 <pandora--> htc?
Apr 28 20:28:04 <pandora--> lol
Apr 28 20:28:07 <haeffb_pre> Palm does, silly
Apr 28 20:28:09 <CTLAdvance> They will now I assume through palms guidance
Apr 28 20:28:09 <lemketron> the possibilities are ming-boggling, eh?  :-)
Apr 28 20:28:19 <nfoxTc> considering slate will have flash it might beat the ipad
Apr 28 20:28:20 <pandora--> lemketron: surprisingly...yes
Apr 28 20:28:23 <lemketron> PS:  Woo-hoo!!!
Apr 28 20:28:26 <pandora--> nfoxTc: i know!
Apr 28 20:28:27 <pandora--> ha!!!
Apr 28 20:28:29 <CTLAdvance> lemketron so long as they dont ipaq your ass ;)
Apr 28 20:28:45 <sugardave> "What do you mean, Flash Gordon 'approaching'?!" boggles Ming
Apr 28 20:28:47 <lemketron> So long as that ipaq runs webOS, who cares?
Apr 28 20:29:00 <CTLAdvance> But I am thinking HP WebOS Slate
Apr 28 20:29:12 <CTLAdvance> good comeback :D
Apr 28 20:29:34 <CTLAdvance> but I dont want to see anymore ipaqs
Apr 28 20:29:35 <CTLAdvance> ugh
Apr 28 20:29:43 <lemketron> Time to crank up the hardware machine to 11.
Apr 28 20:29:47 <CTLAdvance> talk about rim and 1999, ipaq and 1996
Apr 28 20:29:48 <halfhalo> orly
Apr 28 20:29:59 <millenomi> be careful with the optimism
Apr 28 20:30:02 <nfoxTc> hmmm flash and multitasking!
Apr 28 20:30:12 <millenomi> if you really want to do your part, get back to work :p
Apr 28 20:30:19 <halfhalo> dammit why am I not near a tv
Apr 28 20:31:34 <dpivs> wow, i didn't even realize the Compaq brand was still around.  this is good.
Apr 28 20:31:42 <pandora--> lol ipaq
Apr 28 20:31:46 <pandora--> i totally forgot about that
Apr 28 20:31:51 <millenomi> by the way: what's the best Twitter client for webOS?
Apr 28 20:32:00 <millenomi> possibly a free one, since I can't see the paid part of the Catalog.
Apr 28 20:32:03 <haeffb_pre> because of what happened the last time you were near a TV?
Apr 28 20:32:08 <EdLin> millenomi: I haven't tried some of  them, I like tweed, but it's paid.
Apr 28 20:32:10 <halfhalo> cnbc
Apr 28 20:32:12 <millenomi> :(
Apr 28 20:32:34 <CTLAdvance> tweed is best I think, spaz is ok
Apr 28 20:32:52 <millenomi> both paid?
Apr 28 20:33:16 <pandora--> i have a free one, it's good
Apr 28 20:33:21 <pandora--> lemme see what the name was
Apr 28 20:33:36 <pandora--> tweefree
Apr 28 20:33:56 <halfhalo> fffffffff
Apr 28 20:34:00 <halfhalo> fast home driving time
Apr 28 20:34:09 <pandora--> hrm?
Apr 28 20:34:10 <halfhalo> wait...
Apr 28 20:34:19 <halfhalo> first setting dvr to cnbc from here
Apr 28 20:35:37 <millenomi> twefree is sloooooooooooooooow
Apr 28 20:35:47 <millenomi> which is why I was looking for an alternative :)
Apr 28 20:36:08 <CTLAdvance> yeah tweed sees to be the best at the moment in my book
Apr 28 20:36:20 <dpivs> i like tweed. a lot.
Apr 28 20:37:55 <loic_m> any news about HP buying Palm ? rumor or real ?
Apr 28 20:38:00 <halfhalo> real
Apr 28 20:38:34 <loic_m> ok
Apr 28 20:38:54 <loic_m> could be a good thing, we'll see
Apr 28 20:40:10 <millenomi> I hear screaming in the streets. Inter must have won vs Barcelona. yay.
Apr 28 20:40:27 <millenomi> ah, not yet.
Apr 28 20:41:07 <nfoxTc> palms up 29 percent in after hours trading
Apr 28 20:41:24 <lemketron> Aren't y'all happy to be developing for webOS now?  :-)
Apr 28 20:41:36 <sugardave> lemketron: if I were any good at it ;)
Apr 28 20:41:37 <CTLAdvance> yes, so long as I get a webOS Slate
Apr 28 20:41:45 <CTLAdvance> with USB and camera built in
Apr 28 20:41:46 <halfhalo> hah
Apr 28 20:41:56 <CTLAdvance> I dont need a dongle
Apr 28 20:42:05 <CTLAdvance> nor do I want extra dongles
Apr 28 20:42:41 <lemketron> CTL - we'll have to get back to you on that...
Apr 28 20:46:21 <loic_m> question is : does Palm will carry on improving webOS ?
Apr 28 20:46:38 <loic_m> well, s/Palm/HP/
Apr 28 20:46:53 <Tibfib> we hope so
Apr 28 20:47:17 <Tibfib> holy cow that's crazy
Apr 28 20:47:27 <Tibfib> well palm doesn't have money problems anymore >.<
Apr 28 20:47:52 <millenomi> quick q: how can I get the x and y delta of the drag for Mojo.Event.dragging?
Apr 28 20:48:22 <millenomi> tried various e.*X, e.*Y props but no result. I must be doin it rong
Apr 28 20:48:31 <Tibfib> millenomi: check the docs
Apr 28 20:48:33 <Nyceane> i think outside of webos, iphone, android and winmo, its very hard to develop other platforms -_-
Apr 28 20:48:39 <CTLAdvance> lemketron - ipad has dongles... lots and lots of dongles
Apr 28 20:48:46 <millenomi> I am, they say nothing about what is passed via the event object.
Apr 28 20:48:55 <millenomi> at least that I can see in Mojo.Event.
Apr 28 20:49:12 <millenomi> in the ref.
Apr 28 20:49:24 <sugardave> Object.toJSON(event)
Apr 28 20:49:32 <millenomi> oooh, will do.
Apr 28 20:50:27 * Tibfib has an hp laptop
Apr 28 20:50:33 <sugardave> that will be a LARGE string for an event object
Apr 28 20:50:37 <Tibfib> do i win?
Apr 28 20:51:08 <Kuraiou> wow.
Apr 28 20:51:15 <sugardave> mom
Apr 28 20:51:38 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm..
Apr 28 20:51:42 <Kuraiou> weird, normally it's deltaX and deltaY
Apr 28 20:52:41 <Tibfib> lemketron: so did none of you know that hp was buying palm? (except like really high level)
Apr 28 20:53:01 <lemketron> Nope.
Apr 28 20:53:08 <Tibfib> hah. that's crazy
Apr 28 20:53:15 <Tibfib> lemketron: do you know about job security?
Apr 28 20:53:52 <millenomi> Kuraiou: Mojo.Log.info("dragged", e.deltaX, e.deltaY); shows only 'dragged'.
Apr 28 20:54:03 <Kuraiou> blarghles.
Apr 28 20:54:43 <lemketron> Tibfib: We don't know any more than you know at this point.  But the press release says "HP’s longstanding culture of innovation, scale and global operating resources make it the perfect partner to rapidly accelerate the growth of webOS"  for what that's worth.  :-)
Apr 28 20:54:44 <CTLAdvance> tibfib supposedly hp is keeping the palm staff for the most part per cnbc
Apr 28 20:54:55 <millenomi> also: Object.toJSON(e) is a very bad idea.
Apr 28 20:54:57 <CTLAdvance> probably just going to do what ibm does and throw money at it
Apr 28 20:55:03 <millenomi> [20100428-22:54:56.172162] error: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
Apr 28 20:55:07 <millenomi> ad infinitum
Apr 28 20:55:13 <lemketron> CTL: would that be a bad thing?
Apr 28 20:55:20 <CTLAdvance> nope
Apr 28 20:55:26 <CTLAdvance> I am very happy for palm by this
Apr 28 20:55:30 <lemketron> me too.
Apr 28 20:55:38 <CTLAdvance> my fav harware company, and my fav mobile company
Apr 28 20:55:40 <millenomi> too soon for optimism IMHO
Apr 28 20:55:51 <millenomi> the only good that comes out of this is that it isn't dead yet.
Apr 28 20:56:04 <Tibfib> CTL: that would be perfect... just give palm money... and some engineers
Apr 28 20:56:08 <lemketron> nice way to rain on our parade...
Apr 28 20:56:48 <Kuraiou> wait is this for a scroller, mille?
Apr 28 20:56:49 <Tibfib> lemketron: I hope everyone keeps their jobs... you've got a great team... at least the people we devs see are great
Apr 28 20:56:49 <CTLAdvance> I dont think so, people close to the situation are saying that they will retain leadership and most likely key devs etc etc
Apr 28 20:57:18 <Roy-Pre101> lemketron: So, how does it feel?
Apr 28 20:57:29 <CTLAdvance> And HP doesnt have a mobile devision anymore except for some corp ipaqs
Apr 28 20:57:53 <bougyman> it went fizzle
Apr 28 20:58:08 <CTLAdvance> ipaq was epic fail after 1999
Apr 28 20:58:16 <CTLAdvance> I am surprised that RIM is still in business
Apr 28 20:58:23 <CTLAdvance> They are still in 1999
Apr 28 20:58:46 <millenomi> dammit
Apr 28 20:58:48 <millenomi> found it
Apr 28 20:58:56 <millenomi> .pointerX() .pointerY(), at least methinks
Apr 28 20:58:57 <CTLAdvance> All the business people who got blackberries in 1999 just wont give it up.
Apr 28 20:59:02 <millenomi> they're the only props ending in X and Y.
Apr 28 20:59:44 <millenomi> aaand they return NaN.
Apr 28 20:59:45 <millenomi> dammit.
Apr 28 20:59:46 <Tibfib> BOOM SHAKALAKA http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/hp-were-doubling-down-on-webos-palm-that-was-the-whole-po/
Apr 28 20:59:54 <lemketron> web cast here: http://h30261.www3.hp.com/phoenix.zhtml?p=irol-eventDetails&c=71087&eventID=3051841
Apr 28 21:00:36 <lemketron> including pdf of slides
Apr 28 21:00:56 <bpadalino> thanks lemketron
Apr 28 21:01:08 <Tibfib> howdy chuqui!
Apr 28 21:02:24 <CTLAdvance> I love this engadget post... last sentence
Apr 28 21:02:25 <CTLAdvance> They keep saying "scale," but all we're hearing is "tablet."
Apr 28 21:03:07 <bpadalino> lots of expectations it seems
Apr 28 21:03:12 <chuqui> hi, all. been in meetings all day. anything going on?
Apr 28 21:03:22 <Tibfib> not much
Apr 28 21:03:40 <Kuraiou> nothing really important, anyways.
Apr 28 21:04:18 <CTLAdvance> Chuqui did you see the #thekeithnewman bobblehead today? Thats about as important as it gets now
Apr 28 21:05:03 <chuqui> yes, I did. fun stuff. we should do an @adora bobblehead.
Apr 28 21:05:10 <CTLAdvance> we are next
Apr 28 21:05:15 <nfoxTc> They talking bout webos again
Apr 28 21:05:17 <millenomi> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/233091-drag-drop-sample-code.html <--- in case anyone else is ever as stumped as me.
Apr 28 21:05:20 <CTLAdvance> she is sending me an updated photo I guess
Apr 28 21:05:27 * millenomi adds Prototype docs to his tabs
Apr 28 21:05:39 <nfoxTc> "webos a natural platform for us to develop products on"
Apr 28 21:06:00 <nfoxTc> I have a feeling hp is going to have its own OS
Apr 28 21:06:15 <Tibfib> nfoxTc: yes it is called webOS
Apr 28 21:06:30 <nfoxTc> yep :)
Apr 28 21:06:40 <VincentLaw> well nice to know at least that Palm won't be buried
Apr 28 21:06:47 <VincentLaw> or gouged for all its IP
Apr 28 21:07:09 <Tibfib> they might make a tablet... :O
Apr 28 21:07:32 <nfoxTc> ...i hate tablets
Apr 28 21:07:34 <Tibfib> I hope not...lol. I don't want a reason to buy a tablet
Apr 28 21:07:41 <Kuraiou> millenomi: that's kind of crazy stuff x.x
Apr 28 21:07:44 <Kuraiou> is it Mojo core stuff or Prototype?
Apr 28 21:07:53 <nfoxTc> tablet=netbook without a keyboard
Apr 28 21:07:57 <millenomi> Event.* looks like Prototype stuff.
Apr 28 21:09:16 <Tibfib> "intend to invest HEAVILY in product development" - HP
Apr 28 21:09:43 <dawm> is gmail down? or is my isp just jacked up
Apr 28 21:09:54 <Tibfib> gmail works here
Apr 28 21:10:00 <dawm> man i hate comcast
Apr 28 21:11:23 <Roy-Pre101> millenomi: Is there nothing on webOS101.com with drag-and-drop?
Apr 28 21:11:30 <dawm> apparently its firefox thats broke...
Apr 28 21:11:33 <Roy-Pre101> If not, please add something, if only a link to that article.
Apr 28 21:11:43 <millenomi> I wasn't aware of that site. thanks!
Apr 28 21:12:08 <CTLAdvance> listening to the hp call now
Apr 28 21:12:12 <CTLAdvance> or webcast
Apr 28 21:12:33 <CTLAdvance> these slides are filled with hp slate images
Apr 28 21:12:42 <CTLAdvance> I say HP Slate by EOY
Apr 28 21:12:52 <fisons> whats going to happen to us palm customers after hp bought palm?
Apr 28 21:13:18 <Kuraiou> webos101.com is really awesome.
Apr 28 21:13:25 <Tibfib> fisons: we all win
Apr 28 21:13:47 <fisons> Tibfib: how do you know?
Apr 28 21:14:02 <Tibfib> hp plans to invest $$$$ into webOS
Apr 28 21:14:14 <fisons> any links?
Apr 28 21:14:25 <Tibfib> precentral.net
Apr 28 21:14:30 <Tibfib> engadget.com
Apr 28 21:14:36 <fisons> thanks
Apr 28 21:14:57 <CTLAdvance> Lets not forget MS has patents on parts of android, so webOS makes sense
Apr 28 21:15:10 <CTLAdvance> I would wonder if they may drop android all together
Apr 28 21:15:40 <CTLAdvance> Interesting
Apr 28 21:17:31 <Tibfib> hmm "there is going to be a webOS tablet." from Dieter
Apr 28 21:17:47 <CTLAdvance> Yeah they are pushing webOS Slate now
Apr 28 21:17:59 <Mousey> Hells Yah
Apr 28 21:17:59 <CTLAdvance> We may see one sooner than EOY
Apr 28 21:18:13 <Kuraiou> sweet!
Apr 28 21:18:13 <CTLAdvance> its a linux core so should work well on any Slate made by HP
Apr 28 21:18:34 <CTLAdvance> the WebOS GUI is based on webtechnologies so it will sclae well to screen size
Apr 28 21:18:51 <Kuraiou> yeah, that's what I was saying to a friend, webOS itself will scale nicely
Apr 28 21:19:02 <Mousey> yay!
Apr 28 21:19:06 <Kuraiou> I just hope that app developers can speed up the process of making apps to fit the size
Apr 28 21:19:09 <Kuraiou> YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE
Apr 28 21:19:13 * Kuraiou glares
Apr 28 21:19:15 <Roy-Pre101> http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/04/the-palm-investor-call/
Apr 28 21:19:47 <CTLAdvance> you mean you want a bigger cow button?
Apr 28 21:19:59 <CTLAdvance> I cant argue with that, it went viral overnight
Apr 28 21:21:48 <millenomi> not even that code is correct
Apr 28 21:21:50 <Tibfib> oh man. this is great for palm
Apr 28 21:21:53 <millenomi> pointerX() returns NaN
Apr 28 21:21:55 <millenomi> dammit
Apr 28 21:22:08 <Roy-Pre101> millenomi: Working with the movement events?
Apr 28 21:22:11 <CTLAdvance> Supposed to keep palm as a business unit engineer retention
Apr 28 21:22:17 <millenomi> yea. I want to make a draggable square
Apr 28 21:22:21 <millenomi> draggable = move with the finger.
Apr 28 21:22:31 <millenomi> I did it on desktop webkit
Apr 28 21:22:38 <Roy-Pre101> Try this:
Apr 28 21:22:58 <maik> damn you, HP... damn you to hell.
Apr 28 21:23:23 <Tibfib> maik: are you kidding? this is great for palm!
Apr 28 21:23:26 <CTLAdvance> oh suck it
Apr 28 21:23:30 <CTLAdvance> yeah this is good
Apr 28 21:24:16 <maik> if you say so.  i don't think this is a good thing at all
Apr 28 21:24:20 <Tibfib> HPalm FTW!
Apr 28 21:24:25 <maik> heh
Apr 28 21:24:28 <Roy-Pre101> event.clientX
Apr 28 21:24:29 <Roy-Pre101> event.clientY
Apr 28 21:24:41 <sugardave> the question I have is will HP be as good to webOS devs as Palm has been, or is Palm basically becoming a division of HP and we'll still get to deal with the folks we know and love?
Apr 28 21:24:52 <Roy-Pre101> Or even better:
Apr 28 21:24:58 <Roy-Pre101> event.clientX + window.scrollX;
Apr 28 21:25:00 <Tibfib> palm will be a division....sorta
Apr 28 21:25:10 <Tibfib> err not sorta... they WILLL be a division.
Apr 28 21:25:13 <millenomi> Roy-Pre101: note that I was using Mojo's drag events
Apr 28 21:25:24 <Tibfib> HP is giving em more money basically
Apr 28 21:25:28 <Roy-Pre101> millenomi: Oh, well, you're on your own
Apr 28 21:25:32 <millenomi> YAY
Apr 28 21:25:39 <CTLAdvance> maik why is it bad?
Apr 28 21:25:41 <sugardave> Tibfib: that's good, I can only half-watch/listen atm
Apr 28 21:25:42 <maik> if HP's just in it for the revenue i'm fine, but if they start trying to push it in another direction that wasn't Palm's original intention i bet a lot of people are going to be upset
Apr 28 21:25:47 <millenomi> I'm prolly going to revert to standard HTML events if this continues.
Apr 28 21:25:52 <CTLAdvance> We should see an HP WebOS Slate this year from how they are talking
Apr 28 21:26:09 <Tibfib> what a great day.
Apr 28 21:26:20 <CTLAdvance> maik thats what I was saying, so long as they dont ipaq it.
Apr 28 21:26:26 <rolsworth> this is the best news ever
Apr 28 21:26:28 <maik> ya
Apr 28 21:26:31 <rolsworth> Webos will live on
Apr 28 21:26:46 <maik> or tank and spiral downward...
Apr 28 21:26:46 <sugardave> like a zombie?
Apr 28 21:26:49 <CTLAdvance> for those who dont know ipaq dies in the early 2000's and is left with few corp users
Apr 28 21:27:03 <maik> i've still got an iPaq in my desk
Apr 28 21:27:08 * sugardave tries to remember the ipaq.
Apr 28 21:27:11 <CTLAdvance> well it wont tank, hp is to big, it could get ipaqed and killed off
Apr 28 21:27:13 <halfhalo_T400> ipaq was mostly non smartphone, right?
Apr 28 21:27:14 * sugardave fails.
Apr 28 21:27:17 <rolsworth> nah webos is a great platform
Apr 28 21:27:19 <halfhalo_T400> Heh, I used to have one
Apr 28 21:27:22 <CTLAdvance> no ipaq was smartphone
Apr 28 21:27:26 <CTLAdvance> winmo
Apr 28 21:27:31 <rolsworth> just needs a great device and some love
Apr 28 21:27:45 <CTLAdvance> hardcore, but was a pda at first, smartphones werent around originally
Apr 28 21:27:48 <halfhalo_T400> Hmmm, don;t think I have ever seen a smartphone ipaq
Apr 28 21:27:49 <CTLAdvance> or big yet I should say
Apr 28 21:27:57 <halfhalo_T400> used to have a pocketpc 2002 ipaq
Apr 28 21:28:04 <maik> i guess we'll see how the rest of the year goes.  i've been entertaining the idea of switching to Android
Apr 28 21:28:06 <rolsworth> was palm once the king of smartphones?
Apr 28 21:28:06 <CTLAdvance> maybe your right
Apr 28 21:28:24 <maik> i wouldn't say king of smartphones
Apr 28 21:28:24 <CTLAdvance> well they have had a few corp edition ipaqs because I have seen them
Apr 28 21:28:26 <maik> maybe PDAs
Apr 28 21:28:32 <CTLAdvance> like $10k custom devices
Apr 28 21:28:38 <CTLAdvance> but nothing mainstream
Apr 28 21:28:41 <halfhalo_T400> I think there are a few smartphone models, but not many.  The ipaq died because of it
Apr 28 21:28:53 <CTLAdvance> yeah mostly corp devices
Apr 28 21:29:06 <CTLAdvance> let me visit ol bing
Apr 28 21:29:27 <sugardave> bing can't be old yet
Apr 28 21:29:32 <maik> heh
Apr 28 21:29:50 <CTLAdvance> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPAQ
Apr 28 21:30:02 <millenomi> oh dammit
Apr 28 21:30:10 <millenomi> it's Event.pointerX(event.move), not Event.pointerX(event)
Apr 28 21:30:28 <millenomi> yay grepping sample code
Apr 28 21:30:54 <millenomi> HA I DID IT
Apr 28 21:30:56 <millenomi> :D
Apr 28 21:31:02 * millenomi tests on device
Apr 28 21:31:04 <CTLAdvance> what are you making?
Apr 28 21:31:11 <maik> nuclear missile
Apr 28 21:31:20 <CTLAdvance> something with a drag sequence?
Apr 28 21:31:40 <sugardave> using it as a 9th core for a Cell processor?
Apr 28 21:31:52 <halfhalo_T400> I like missles
Apr 28 21:31:56 <maik> the nuclear missile?
Apr 28 21:32:05 <maik> yes plz!
Apr 28 21:32:19 <maik> 9th core... is that like 7th circle of hell?
Apr 28 21:32:29 <sugardave> pretty darn close
Apr 28 21:32:46 * dohtem just came in to shout, "HP!"
Apr 28 21:32:46 <millenomi> CTLAdvance: http://infinite-labs.net/mover/video
Apr 28 21:33:43 <Roy-Pre101> millenomi: Document, document, document. :)
Apr 28 21:34:17 <millenomi> I shall in a moment
Apr 28 21:34:56 <millenomi> perfect
Apr 28 21:35:02 <millenomi> it's even somewhat acceptably fast on device.
Apr 28 21:35:11 <millenomi> cheers, WebKit transforms!
Apr 28 21:35:34 <Tibfib> HPalm!
Apr 28 21:36:24 <millenomi> (the WebKit transform model is based upon Apple's Core Animation model explicitly to let Apple use CA to accelerate it on iPhone and Mac Safari. I originally wrote this draggable stuff thing in CA. now it comes full circle as Palm accelerates transforms in the next webOS.)
Apr 28 21:36:24 <dohtem> Tibfib: HP Pixi!
Apr 28 21:36:37 <millenomi> (it's the circle of APIs)
Apr 28 21:36:43 <millenomi> (like the circle of life but less glamorous)
Apr 28 21:37:31 <sugardave> webOSlate
Apr 28 21:38:03 <dohtem> lol, a ton of news just popped up on PreCentral
Apr 28 21:38:19 <rolsworth> http://crackberry.com/more-blackberry-bold-slider-photos-emerge that's what i would liek to see the next webos device to look like
Apr 28 21:39:03 <halfhalo_T400> precentral no loading for me
Apr 28 21:39:53 <dohtem> halfhalo_T400: seems to be working fine on my end
Apr 28 21:39:54 <Roy-Pre101> rolsworth: Hmm, looks pretty ugly to me
Apr 28 21:40:06 <halfhalo_T400> just loaded now
Apr 28 21:40:09 <rolsworth> i like it
Apr 28 21:40:30 <halfhalo_T400> now, whether to call sprint to try and get the pre plus activated in place of my pre
Apr 28 21:40:30 <rolsworth> not the same design but the same concept
Apr 28 21:40:38 <rolsworth> a little bigger with a slide out keyboard
Apr 28 21:41:31 <Kuraiou> I want a sprint plus <.<
Apr 28 21:41:38 <zsoc> i want a c40
Apr 28 21:41:48 <Kuraiou> pre plus*
Apr 28 21:41:52 <Kuraiou> well when c40 comes out I'll want that too :P
Apr 28 21:41:53 <Kuraiou> hahaha
Apr 28 21:41:57 <halfhalo_T400> heh, im just going to call up and say its a dev phone
Apr 28 21:42:40 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Ping
Apr 28 21:43:10 <CTLAdvance> if HP ipaqs webOS then its all over. The iPaq is fail bigtime.
Apr 28 21:43:19 <dohtem> halfhalo_T400: Does sprint activate non-Sprint branded phones?
Apr 28 21:43:27 <CTLAdvance> However if they come up with a great design come up with full wvga
Apr 28 21:43:28 <halfhalo_T400> no idea
Apr 28 21:43:43 <halfhalo_T400> but I'm claiming its a dev phone, which it is, hence diff esn
Apr 28 21:43:45 <zsoc> dohtem: no
Apr 28 21:43:46 <CTLAdvance> dohtem they arent supposed to
Apr 28 21:44:09 <dohtem> sigh... this is what keeps me on gsm
Apr 28 21:44:42 <rolsworth> i wouldn't upgrade my pre for a pre plus
Apr 28 21:44:50 <rolsworth> that would be a waste
Apr 28 21:45:00 <dohtem> rolsworth: how so?
Apr 28 21:45:14 <rolsworth> it is basically the same device just more space
Apr 28 21:45:28 <rolsworth> i can't waste a one year upgrade on that
Apr 28 21:45:46 <haeffb_pre> POTUS been to town and gone today...
Apr 28 21:45:47 <rolsworth> like buying the same device twice
Apr 28 21:46:04 <dohtem> i think he got it free at Dev Day
Apr 28 21:46:16 <halfhalo_T400> yup
Apr 28 21:47:01 <dohtem> heh, it nice to finally test my apps on an actual device.  Played with it yesterday
Apr 28 21:48:47 <Kuraiou> whatcha making, dohtem?
Apr 28 21:50:39 <dohtem> cant say yet :)
Apr 28 21:51:20 <millenomi> dohtem++
Apr 28 21:51:26 <millenomi> (I also got my device yesterday :D)
Apr 28 21:53:02 <joetweeply> whoop... i got the first draft of my very first game done... i can play my very own game.. that is so awesome
Apr 28 21:53:39 <joetweeply> so enough coding for tonight... i'ma heading to bed now fully satisfied with myself
Apr 28 21:53:41 <joetweeply> nightey
Apr 28 21:53:50 <Tibfib> cya
Apr 28 21:54:10 <CTLAdvance> I would put 5 on the fact that their is already an hp webos tablet somewhere
Apr 28 21:54:47 <Tibfib> doubt it... but I bet there will be in a few weeks :)
Apr 28 21:55:45 <CTLAdvance> they said that they have already tested its scaling on the call
Apr 28 21:55:53 <CTLAdvance> really that means a bigger device
Apr 28 21:56:02 <CTLAdvance> so next would be tablet or netbook
Apr 28 21:56:18 <dohtem> I never thought anything concerning HP could make me smile like this... this is pretty big news today.
Apr 28 21:57:46 <millenomi> everyone: make sure HP doesn't kill the platform before I finish porting this pls
Apr 28 21:57:54 <millenomi> stall them or something
Apr 28 21:57:54 * halfhalo_T400 is on phone
Apr 28 21:57:55 <millenomi> dunno
Apr 28 21:57:56 <millenomi> :)
Apr 28 21:58:09 * dohtem stalls
Apr 28 21:59:59 <millenomi> Roy-Pre101: http://webos101.com/Dragging
Apr 28 22:00:04 <sugardave> halfhalo_T400: did you win the Pre Plus or did everybody who went get one?
Apr 28 22:00:20 <Tibfib> everybody who went i do believe
Apr 28 22:00:27 <sugardave> omg, now I'm really sad
Apr 28 22:00:42 <Tibfib> me too.. that is almost equivalent to cost of trip :(
Apr 28 22:00:47 <dohtem> we tied the palm employees down and demanded phones.  they relented after a few hours
Apr 28 22:00:51 <dohtem> :)
Apr 28 22:00:56 <halfhalo_T400> dammit
Apr 28 22:03:06 <halfhalo_T400> nopr
Apr 28 22:03:11 <halfhalo_T400> nope
Apr 28 22:04:10 <dpivs> everybody won a pre plus.
Apr 28 22:05:33 <dohtem> and beer glasses
Apr 28 22:05:56 <dpivs> oh yeah, beer glasses.  very nice.
Apr 28 22:07:53 * haeffb_pre wants beer glasses.
Apr 28 22:08:01 <haeffb_pre> or, at least, beer
Apr 28 22:09:09 <millenomi> relevant portion of code (in my usual twisted way of organizing JavaScript): http://gist.github.com/382797
Apr 28 22:09:22 <millenomi> yay closure abuse!
Apr 28 22:09:46 <millenomi> ILabs.DraggableBehavior(this.controller.get("draggable-box"));
Apr 28 22:10:18 <dpivs> 2 clear palm stickers too.  i'll be making good use of one of those.
Apr 28 22:11:16 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: here now
Apr 28 22:11:24 <dohtem> dpivs: that black rectangular card in the bag... was that a bookmark?
Apr 28 22:11:56 <dpivs> y'know, i'm not sure what that was either.  I'd imagine it would serve as a good bookmarker though.
Apr 28 22:18:25 <pandora--> anyone interested in a good linux development laptop?
Apr 28 22:19:30 <zsoc> pandora--: define good, and name a price
Apr 28 22:19:54 <pandora--> acer ferrari 4005
Apr 28 22:20:10 <pandora--> and... price is negotiable, new was $2,600
Apr 28 22:20:20 <pandora--> trying to ebay it for 1000
Apr 28 22:20:53 <pandora--> zsoc: i ran ubuntu on it, but it comes with winxp pro too
Apr 28 22:21:02 <pandora--> (everything's included) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300422438674
Apr 28 22:22:17 <zsoc> pandora--: ah, screen is a bit too large for me :/  sry
Apr 28 22:22:36 <pandora--> 15" is too big?
Apr 28 22:22:41 <pandora--> crazy
Apr 28 22:22:54 <zsoc> pandora--: for what i'm looking for lol, 14.1 max, i'm more interesting in a 13.3....
Apr 28 22:23:01 <zsoc> but i gave you an excuse to advertise it in the chan ;) lol
Apr 28 22:23:11 <pandora--> fair enough, much appreciated
Apr 28 22:27:39 <Kuraiou> 13.3 is tiny x.x
Apr 28 22:27:58 <zsoc> 13.3 = amazing
Apr 28 22:28:15 <zsoc> besides, everything has hdmi these days. and i have a 1920x1080 37" display if I need it.
Apr 28 22:32:15 <Kuraiou> I lust after desktop replacement laptops.
Apr 28 22:44:00 <BigBiff_> howdy all
Apr 28 22:45:31 <BigBiff_> so, if i tell palm that i WANTED to come to dev day
Apr 28 22:45:51 <BigBiff_> you think they'll send me a new pre?
Apr 28 22:46:01 <BigBiff_> i'd say they probly will
Apr 28 22:47:26 <dohtem> http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/04/28/hp-committed-to-building-out-webos/ -- HP/Palm conference call highlights.
Apr 28 22:48:43 <pandora--> Kuraiou: yeah
Apr 28 22:49:07 <Kuraiou> alrighty, peace all :D
Apr 28 22:49:55 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Hey there.  Running into a small issue with the directions for meta doctor
Apr 28 22:50:12 <Roy-Pre101> For OS X there's no macport of md5sum
Apr 28 22:50:22 <Roy-Pre101> Despite the instructions to the contrary.
Apr 28 22:50:31 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: just about to take kids to school - will catch you in 1h
Apr 28 22:50:43 <Roy-Pre101> Sounds good
Apr 28 22:51:50 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: or ask in #webos-internals in the mean time
Apr 28 22:51:59 <Roy-Pre101> ::nods::
Apr 28 22:54:25 <catalystmedia> Hey guys, do you know if dividers in a list get any kind of class set when it's the first divider? I know list items get a special "first" and "last" class, but I'm not sure about dividers :S
Apr 28 22:55:37 <haeffb> look at it in inspector
Apr 28 22:55:52 <Roy-Pre101> That's a reasonable idea.
Apr 28 22:56:32 <pandora--> dohtem: thanks, good to know hp loves webos :)
Apr 28 22:58:27 <catalystmedia> haeffb: Inspector doesn't work with multi-stage apps :(
Apr 28 22:58:52 <sugardave> hey, that happened to me once
Apr 28 22:58:53 <sugardave> sucks
Apr 28 22:58:56 <haeffb> true. However you can quickly turn a multi-stage back in to single-stage for testing purposes.
Apr 28 22:59:28 <haeffb> noWindow: false. comment out appAssist.handleLaunch. add a pushScene to stageAssist.
Apr 28 23:00:30 <catalystmedia> haeffb: You inspired me haha. I just loaded up the UIWidgets sample with inspector on. Doesn't look like dividers get any kind of special classes and first-child doesn't seem to work in webOS :( Oh well
Apr 28 23:01:36 <Roy-Pre101> catalystmedia: You may have to walk a bit farther down.  In inspector you can at least look at the tree of the sample
Apr 28 23:03:52 <catalystmedia> Hmmm, still didn't see anything, but I did figure out a quick little css hack.
Apr 28 23:04:06 <catalystmedia> div[name=topSpacer] + .dividerClass will get you the first divider in a list
Apr 28 23:04:19 <catalystmedia> Thank goodness for CSS3 selectors :)
Apr 28 23:17:40 <BigBiff_> ya, anything having to do with list styling hurts me bad
Apr 29 00:18:15 <swisstomcat> heya
Apr 29 00:18:30 <halfhalo_T400_> you hear the news swisstomcat?
Apr 29 00:18:34 * swisstomcat is floored .. hp buys palm?
Apr 29 00:18:38 <halfhalo_T400_> yup
Apr 29 00:18:48 <swisstomcat> crazy
Apr 29 00:19:00 <swisstomcat> we just went to palm for the developer days and now they get bought out
Apr 29 00:19:44 <swisstomcat> i hope that aquisition won't slow them down too much
Apr 29 00:19:54 <swisstomcat> with the new releases
Apr 29 00:20:20 <halfhalo_T400_> hardware wise? yeah, were waiting now
Apr 29 00:20:25 <halfhalo_T400_> software? not so much
Apr 29 00:20:33 <nebula> swiss did you get the PreGame- ?
Apr 29 00:20:48 <nebula> errr Pre
Apr 29 00:21:19 <swisstomcat> oh, yes .. thank you very much, nebula
Apr 29 00:21:31 <nebula> cool
Apr 29 00:21:45 <swisstomcat> nebula: since i got a verizon pre plus at the developer days i probably won't use it
Apr 29 00:21:53 <pygi> swisstomcat, where did you see that?
Apr 29 00:22:03 <swisstomcat> see what?
Apr 29 00:22:12 <pygi> hp buying palm
Apr 29 00:22:22 <swisstomcat> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2010/100428xa.html
Apr 29 00:22:25 <swisstomcat> precentral.net
Apr 29 00:22:39 <nebula> engadget, facebook
Apr 29 00:22:46 <swisstomcat> everywhere
Apr 29 00:23:03 <bougyman> MSNBC, here
Apr 29 00:23:11 <pygi> right :)
Apr 29 00:23:12 <pygi> thanks :)
Apr 29 00:23:17 <swisstomcat> at least some good news regarding palm
Apr 29 00:23:50 <pygi> lets hope their devices don't become business-suited bricks like hp laptops :D
Apr 29 00:24:16 <swisstomcat> i'm quite happy with my hp laptop
Apr 29 00:24:33 <pygi> I have HP as well
Apr 29 00:24:40 <pygi> its better then it used to be, that's true :)
Apr 29 00:24:44 <pygi> smoother lines
Apr 29 00:25:25 <swisstomcat> i have a 6910p and it's been great so far
Apr 29 00:25:31 <pygi> 6730s here
Apr 29 00:26:01 <pygi> ah yes, your laptop has those weird lines I don't like :D
Apr 29 00:27:19 <pygi> but anzway, good news :)
Apr 29 00:30:56 <haeffb> hey swisstomcat
Apr 29 00:31:03 <swisstomcat> hey haeffb
Apr 29 00:31:12 <swisstomcat> i'm in montana and it's cold and snowing :(
Apr 29 00:31:13 <haeffb> how's Montana treatin' ya?
Apr 29 00:31:21 <haeffb> cold & snowing?
Apr 29 00:31:27 <swisstomcat> yeah
Apr 29 00:31:51 <swisstomcat> the flight from seattle to bozeman was also very bumpy
Apr 29 00:31:51 <haeffb> might as well be in switzerland
Apr 29 00:32:04 <swisstomcat> it would be a lot warmer in switzerland :)
Apr 29 00:32:17 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: Howdy.  how's Montana?
Apr 29 00:32:31 <swisstomcat> hey roy-pre101 ... cold and snowy :(
Apr 29 00:32:39 <haeffb> us airspace is full of potholes & we can't afford to fix 'em
Apr 29 00:32:46 <haeffb> POTUS was in town today. About 2 miles from my house.
Apr 29 00:33:09 <swisstomcat> really
Apr 29 00:33:15 <swisstomcat> what do you all think about the big news?
Apr 29 00:33:27 <Roy-Pre101> Here's my $.02, which you'll probably see in print soon
Apr 29 00:33:52 <Roy-Pre101> his works out extremely well for Palm and Palm smartphone owners.  With HP aggressively backing webOS and promising worldwide distribution and more devices we can expect that more developers will take an interest.
Apr 29 00:33:57 <Roy-Pre101>  Palm's management and engineering teams will stay in place, which means that the vision of webOS will not substantively change.  With HP's leverage Palm can hopefully shed the dark cloud that's tracked it recently.
Apr 29 00:34:22 <swisstomcat> there's a hp office in switzerland
Apr 29 00:34:45 <swisstomcat> yeah, i think it positive
Apr 29 00:34:48 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: Maybe you'll finally get a carrier in your area!
Apr 29 00:34:58 <swisstomcat> it was just weird to be at palm just a few days ago
Apr 29 00:35:04 <swisstomcat> when the deal was being finished
Apr 29 00:35:22 <Roy-Pre101> seriously.
Apr 29 00:36:08 <catalystmedia> Hey guys, I've been working on my app, TweetMe since about May or June of last year and it's almost done. Check out the site at www.tweetmeapp.com it'll be up on the App Catalog soon :)
Apr 29 00:36:20 <swisstomcat> cool, catalystmedia
Apr 29 00:36:28 <Roy-Pre101> catalystmedia: Nice
Apr 29 00:36:46 <swisstomcat> oh, it looks very nice!
Apr 29 00:36:47 * haeffb thinks it's a good thing.
Apr 29 00:36:58 <swisstomcat> what do you think about hp/palm, catalystmedia?
Apr 29 00:37:01 <Roy-Pre101> catalystmedia: Have you sent Dan (@vara411) a copy for review
Apr 29 00:37:06 <catalystmedia> Thanks guys. You guys have all been very helpful!
Apr 29 00:37:14 <catalystmedia> Roy-Pre101: He was my very first tester actually :)
Apr 29 00:37:36 <haeffb> catalystmedia: looks awesome!
Apr 29 00:37:39 <catalystmedia> swisstomcat: I think it's very very good. IF they keep the same teams in place, and throw in a few more people, more money and advertising it could be very very good
Apr 29 00:37:41 <Roy-Pre101> Good, good
Apr 29 00:38:12 <haeffb> no, seriously, the President of the United States was here today.
Apr 29 00:38:16 <Roy-Pre101> catalystmedia: You missed out on the fact that I'm a great beta tester
Apr 29 00:38:25 <swisstomcat> yeah, i hope they will keep all the current people
Apr 29 00:38:33 <swisstomcat> visiting you, haeffb?
Apr 29 00:38:48 <haeffb> he should have been, but unfortunately, no.
Apr 29 00:39:33 <catalystmedia> thanks haeffb! I'm really excited to get my first webOS app out there. It's taken awhile :p
Apr 29 00:39:36 <haeffb> visiting the local ethanol plant, promoting independence from foreign oil (no offense to foreigners)
Apr 29 00:39:51 <swisstomcat> we don't have any oil, haeffb :)
Apr 29 00:39:53 <catalystmedia> Roy-Pre101: Maybe I'll send ya  pre-release copy for review
Apr 29 00:40:09 <haeffb> also promoting independence from foreign chocolate
Apr 29 00:40:09 <swisstomcat> do you have a german version, catalystmedia?
Apr 29 00:40:11 * oil was wondering why his pc was making noise
Apr 29 00:40:12 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb: With ethanol?  Sheesh.
Apr 29 00:40:22 <haeffb> Roy-Pre101: meh.
Apr 29 00:40:31 <swisstomcat> ethonal from brasilian soy
Apr 29 00:40:35 <swisstomcat> ethanokl
Apr 29 00:40:38 <swisstomcat> ethanol
Apr 29 00:40:39 <haeffb> Wind, solar, "biofuels"
Apr 29 00:40:40 <swisstomcat> erk
Apr 29 00:41:05 <haeffb> he made the mistake of mentioning biodiesel at an ethanol plant
Apr 29 00:41:16 <catalystmedia> swisstomcat: No, but I will submit it to the German catalog in English, if Palm will let me.
Apr 29 00:41:37 <swisstomcat> catalystmedia: i can help you with the localization ... www.thinmachine.ch/en/service.html
Apr 29 00:41:57 <swisstomcat> submitting in in english for germany will be accepted
Apr 29 00:42:05 <swisstomcat> that's what they told us
Apr 29 00:42:36 <haeffb> swisstomcat does good work. I think. I guess I can't really tell, since I can't read the German he gave me...
Apr 29 00:42:48 <swisstomcat> hehe
Apr 29 00:43:04 <swisstomcat> has that version with the german in it being released already, haeffb?
Apr 29 00:43:17 <haeffb> uh. no. I'm lazy
Apr 29 00:43:38 <haeffb> & also wanting to maximize the exposure in the "Whats New" list
Apr 29 00:43:57 <haeffb> I mean, I'm waiting for you to get back to Europe.
Apr 29 00:44:10 <catalystmedia> swisstomcat: Wow that would be awesome! What do you charge? I'll release in ENglish for 1.0, but I may localize later if you can do it :)
Apr 29 00:44:15 <swisstomcat> isn't "german version" not big enough news ;)
Apr 29 00:44:40 <swisstomcat> catalystmedia: free for open source apps, contact me for a quote for other apps
Apr 29 00:47:10 <catalystmedia> swisstomcat: Alright, I'll send an email shortly
Apr 29 00:47:43 <swisstomcat> cool, give me some detail what needs to be translated
Apr 29 00:47:48 <swisstomcat> and how much
Apr 29 00:48:13 <swisstomcat> i wonder how happy microsoft is with this hp/palm deal
Apr 29 00:48:39 <abeNd-org> i just find it amusing palm is back under the same roof as 3com again
Apr 29 00:48:50 <swisstomcat> yeah
Apr 29 00:52:38 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: I didn't make further progress (mostly because I was AFK) and I'm going afk again now.
Apr 29 00:52:54 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: bypass activation and bypass first use
Apr 29 00:53:46 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Seems to want the md5sum program, Mac has md5 but no md5sum
Apr 29 00:54:21 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: macports ?
Apr 29 00:54:30 <Roy-Pre101> none on macports, despite the docs.
Apr 29 00:54:49 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: port install md5sha1sum
Apr 29 00:55:02 <Roy-Pre101> OK.
Apr 29 00:55:07 <haeffb> swisstomcat: yes, of course it's big news.
Apr 29 00:55:07 * haeffb just not sure how useful the app is in other countries....
Apr 29 00:55:26 <swisstomcat> why not?
Apr 29 00:55:42 <swisstomcat> we drive cars and need to report mileage for business purposes
Apr 29 00:55:49 <Roy-Pre101> Will update docs
Apr 29 00:55:53 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: thx
Apr 29 00:58:01 <swisstomcat> Todd Bradley from hp used to work at palm?
Apr 29 00:58:34 <Roy-Pre101> ach, need to disable both first use -and- activation?  Can set up a profile if you want, yes?  Can you share them between two phones?
Apr 29 00:59:38 <rwhitby> yes
Apr 29 01:00:17 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: you bypass activation and first use, then you meta-doctor, then you enable wifi, then you run first use (which still has the activation bypass enabled)
Apr 29 01:00:36 <rwhitby> if you log into a new phone with a profile, it will completely wipe the old phone forcibly
Apr 29 01:00:47 <haeffb> you drive cars?
Apr 29 01:02:26 <BigBiff_> creating a scrim -
Apr 29 01:02:36 <BigBiff_> is the style matters sample the best way to do this?
Apr 29 01:03:09 <BigBiff_> mojo.view.createScrim
Apr 29 01:03:46 <haeffb> uh. never tried that.
Apr 29 01:05:11 <catalystmedia> BigBiff: I think you can find that in the UIWidgets sample app
Apr 29 01:05:31 <BigBiff_> i'll check it out
Apr 29 01:09:11 * haeffb has done this: http://www.pastebin.org/191034
Apr 29 01:23:50 <BigBiff_>  haeffb: that looks much simpler than the style matters
Apr 29 01:24:10 <BigBiff_> why do all the examples seem so backwards in that app sample?
Apr 29 01:32:39 <swisstomcat> bbl
Apr 29 02:05:56 <Roy-Pre101> Templarian: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2063
Apr 29 02:06:15 <Roy-Pre101> not sure why they missed you, might want to shoot them an e-mail
Apr 29 02:08:54 <Templarian> Hmm looking.
Apr 29 02:11:21 <jhojho> you should
Apr 29 02:12:14 <jhojho> it seems that a number of palm devs use textmate, maybe they will release a code-completion bundle for textmate...
Apr 29 02:15:03 <LoneStar99> was out all day, HP bought Palm?
Apr 29 02:15:12 <Tibfib> someone should make a notepad++ plugin...
Apr 29 02:15:12 <halfhalo_T400> yup
Apr 29 02:15:20 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: precentral.net has good coverage
Apr 29 02:15:56 <Roy-Pre101> And webosroundup.com does, too. ;P
Apr 29 02:16:19 <LoneStar99> wow, so is the Plam Brand gonna go away and become HP?
Apr 29 02:17:51 <Templarian> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Editors there is this still
Apr 29 02:17:52 <Roy-Pre101> Going to be run as a business unit (AFAIK).  Suspect they'll keep the brand but anything could happen.
Apr 29 02:18:26 <Roy-Pre101> Well, they specifically said a separate business unit.  I mean, AFAIK, they'll keep the Palm brand.
Apr 29 02:18:34 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: did the meta-doctor work?
Apr 29 02:18:50 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: No idea!
Apr 29 02:18:56 <Roy-Pre101> yes, seems to
Apr 29 02:19:13 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: have you been able to log into app catalog on the dev device?
Apr 29 02:19:21 <LoneStar99> that would be sweet, if they kept it separted, HP/ Palm can potentially crush Android
Apr 29 02:19:29 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Need a 'make clean' in there.
Apr 29 02:19:36 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: "make clobber"
Apr 29 02:19:49 <Roy-Pre101> that works, too
Apr 29 02:20:41 <Tibfib> it is now HPalm
Apr 29 02:20:43 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: I'll be interested to know whether you are able to log into a profile and access the app catalog.  Another dev is getting weird errors and I'm wondering if Palm has blocked those phones or something
Apr 29 02:20:55 <LoneStar99> nothing against chinese folks, but glad Palm sold to a US company
Apr 29 02:21:04 <Tibfib> same
Apr 29 02:21:13 <zsoc> HP's aren't made in China?
Apr 29 02:21:47 <Tibfib> zsoc: what _isn't_ made in china?
Apr 29 02:21:54 <LoneStar99> everything is made in china, but i meant the company itself primarily located in US
Apr 29 02:22:14 <Roy-Pre101> Actually, I need to redo the whole thing I Think.  Since it doesn't look like I can get this one activated on sprint I may just stick with the Verizon build.
Apr 29 02:22:19 <Roy-Pre101> Although I do want 1.4.11....
Apr 29 02:22:24 <swisstomcat> rehi
Apr 29 02:22:33 <Roy-Pre101> Howdy Markus.
Apr 29 02:22:39 <LoneStar99> his swisstomcat
Apr 29 02:22:47 <Roy-Pre101> So, is the food better in Bozeman or SF?
Apr 29 02:22:48 <halfhalo_T400> yeah, onto plan b for getting the plus on sprint
Apr 29 02:22:48 <swisstomcat> yay, more snow for montana
Apr 29 02:22:58 <halfhalo_T400> plan c is wait for my cousin's
Apr 29 02:22:58 <swisstomcat> hey lonestar
Apr 29 02:23:01 <Roy-Pre101> halfhalo_T400: What's plan B?
Apr 29 02:23:05 <swisstomcat> dishdash is better
Apr 29 02:23:05 <halfhalo_T400> one works for verizon, the other for sprint
Apr 29 02:23:13 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  you still in the US?
Apr 29 02:23:15 <swisstomcat> i just bought my first app :)
Apr 29 02:23:23 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: woohoo!
Apr 29 02:23:24 <swisstomcat> lonestar: i'm up in montana of all places
Apr 29 02:23:28 <LoneStar99> awesome what app did u buy?
Apr 29 02:23:35 <swisstomcat> glyder2
Apr 29 02:23:41 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: good choice
Apr 29 02:23:51 <swisstomcat> just wanted to see if this gift card is working and it was on sale
Apr 29 02:23:55 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: you on a horse?
Apr 29 02:24:04 <swisstomcat> on a horse?
Apr 29 02:24:06 <Roy-Pre101> lemketron: Are you back?
Apr 29 02:24:39 <swisstomcat> other apps that are recommended? hawk?
Apr 29 02:24:58 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: h.a.w.x. and n.o.v.a
Apr 29 02:25:09 <Tibfib> I still need to get nova
Apr 29 02:25:31 <swisstomcat> now i can finally buy preware too ;)
Apr 29 02:25:45 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: There's a game called Match 'Em that totally rocks!
Apr 29 02:25:52 <Templarian> Roy-Pre101: email sent.
Apr 29 02:26:10 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: my kids like shrek kart, I use tweed and weather wall too
Apr 29 02:26:12 <swisstomcat> yeah, i'm totally going to buy match'em .. isn't that that awesome 3d game?
Apr 29 02:26:18 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  montana has tons of ranches
Apr 29 02:26:32 <swisstomcat> i'm just visiting my folks, lonestar
Apr 29 02:26:39 <jhojho> Templarian: dang emacs =)
Apr 29 02:26:42 <swisstomcat> weather sucks tho
Apr 29 02:26:44 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: Might want to hold off on twitter clients until TweetMe comes out.
Apr 29 02:26:59 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: your folks live in montana not suisse?
Apr 29 02:27:12 <LoneStar99> switzerland?
Apr 29 02:27:14 <swisstomcat> i'm pretty happy with spaz so far
Apr 29 02:27:31 <Templarian> jhojho: multiple features not listed, plus Komodo is purely GUI unlike emacs which is just scripts.
Apr 29 02:27:39 <swisstomcat> lonestar: switzerland was too small for them so they left for the open sky state
Apr 29 02:27:43 <swisstomcat> weather sucks here tho
Apr 29 02:27:52 <Roy-Pre101> Spaz is good, too.  Hopefully Dennis will release an update to Twee, it's good too
Apr 29 02:28:02 <halfhalo_T400> bad kitty ftw
Apr 29 02:28:11 <Roy-Pre101> jhojho: hey there.
Apr 29 02:28:12 <swisstomcat> roy-pre101: dishdash was very good
Apr 29 02:28:21 <jhojho> hey Roy-Pre101
Apr 29 02:28:30 * halfhalo_T400 is sad he didn't get to eat at dishdash
Apr 29 02:28:34 <swisstomcat> jhojho: were you the one talking to lemketron on saturday night?
Apr 29 02:29:05 <jhojho> I dont think I spoke to lemketron on sat night. but I did on friday
Apr 29 02:29:34 <swisstomcat> i sadly didn't manage to talk to many developers
Apr 29 02:29:45 <swisstomcat> just a few here and there
Apr 29 02:30:02 <Roy-Pre101> I didn't talk to enough, either.
Apr 29 02:30:03 <swisstomcat> shall i buy the oprah app? :)
Apr 29 02:30:05 <Roy-Pre101> But I did get some interviews.
Apr 29 02:30:12 <Roy-Pre101> You gotta pay for Oprah?
Apr 29 02:30:13 <swisstomcat> you missed interviewing me
Apr 29 02:30:18 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: Darnit!
Apr 29 02:30:26 <Roy-Pre101> We'll do it by IM later.
Apr 29 02:30:44 <swisstomcat> that darn train was just too loud
Apr 29 02:30:54 <swisstomcat> hey, i can finally  get all those brighthouse apps
Apr 29 02:31:36 <swisstomcat> oprah mobile is two bucks
Apr 29 02:32:00 <rwhitby> I'm looking for a twitter client for an account that follows very few people, but shows mentions in the same screen as people you follow, and can also have saved searches
Apr 29 02:33:17 <swisstomcat> i wonder how palm folks are receiving the big news .. if they didn't know it already when we were there
Apr 29 02:34:01 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: no-one under executive team would have known about it for SEC reasons
Apr 29 02:34:05 <swisstomcat> i'm excited to be a webos user and developer
Apr 29 02:34:20 <rwhitby> the staff usually find out after the market does
Apr 29 02:34:33 <swisstomcat> i see
Apr 29 02:34:41 <swisstomcat> have you guys talked to lemketron?
Apr 29 02:35:31 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: just looked up the weather "cold/ snowy/ rainy" kinda weird
Apr 29 02:35:53 <swisstomcat> the wind is rattling on the window
Apr 29 02:36:00 <swisstomcat> we had snow showers in the morning
Apr 29 02:36:06 <swisstomcat> and it's rather cold
Apr 29 02:36:21 <LoneStar99> what city?
Apr 29 02:36:48 <swisstomcat> bozeman
Apr 29 02:38:14 <LoneStar99> bozeman = "wind/ snowy/ rainy"
Apr 29 02:38:27 <swisstomcat> yeah, that looks about right
Apr 29 02:38:50 <swisstomcat> i have some pics from the dev days if you're interested, roy-pre101
Apr 29 02:44:01 <LoneStar99> nokia kinda screwed up not purchasing palm
Apr 29 02:44:16 <swisstomcat> nokia IS screwed
Apr 29 02:44:17 <LoneStar99> isn't nokia OS dying?
Apr 29 02:44:35 <Tibfib> don't they have like 3 OS's?
Apr 29 02:44:41 <LoneStar99> nokia used to be the largest mobile company in the world
Apr 29 02:44:47 <swisstomcat> yeah, fragmentation
Apr 29 02:44:47 <LoneStar99> as of 2 years ago
Apr 29 02:45:02 <swisstomcat> back in the days when phones were still phones, yes
Apr 29 02:45:15 <swisstomcat> now phones are computers
Apr 29 02:46:19 <LoneStar99> yeah
Apr 29 02:47:28 <LoneStar99> glad palm did not turn out like Gateway computers, once worth tens of billions sold for a sad $50 million
Apr 29 02:48:19 <swisstomcat> isn't 5.70 undervalued?
Apr 29 02:49:12 <LoneStar99> yeah big time, but you can blame the media, and the freaking monkeys in new york
Apr 29 02:50:13 <LoneStar99> monkeys = analysts
Apr 29 02:51:47 <swisstomcat> a steal for HP then
Apr 29 02:52:02 <LoneStar99> analysts will sell their mothers for publicity
Apr 29 02:53:00 <LoneStar99> yeap very much so
Apr 29 02:53:18 <zsoc> it's a steal for my shares too :;
Apr 29 02:53:19 <zsoc> :p
Apr 29 02:53:34 <LoneStar99> zsoc: mine also =(
Apr 29 02:53:41 <swisstomcat> i've got no palm shares
Apr 29 02:53:44 <LoneStar99> bought palm at 8.40 last year
Apr 29 02:57:35 <LoneStar99> palm has 1,650 patents wow!
Apr 29 02:58:34 <jhojho> if each patent cost $100k to file (and it can or more).
Apr 29 02:58:59 <jhojho> think of how much it cost =)
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