**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 02 02:59:56 2010
May 02 03:00:11 <nicoya> there's a couple
May 02 03:00:59 <Tibfib> I know of two at the moment
May 02 03:01:20 <cdm> yeah, there are a bunch.
May 02 03:01:53 <Tibfib> hah
May 02 03:03:46 <nicoya> I'm probably going to be an evil traitor soon though
May 02 03:47:49 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby:  What is screenstate?
May 02 03:48:06 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: oh man, you've missed the party :)
May 02 03:48:20 <Roy-Pre101> I've got a 4 year old... I miss -all- the parties.
May 02 03:48:34 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: imagine a concept so simple, so elegant, that it just works the way you want it to
May 02 03:48:47 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: Screen on, run fast.  Screen off, run slow.
May 02 03:49:12 <Roy-Pre101> OK...  you mean it's not been that way before?
May 02 03:49:17 <zsoc> lol
May 02 03:49:32 <Tibfib> hah
May 02 03:49:44 <Roy-Pre101> :)
May 02 03:50:24 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/244474-screen-800mhz-screen-off-500mhz-uber-kernel-3rd-generation-overclocking.html
May 02 03:58:05 <Tibfib> ah, I see... it won't go to 250 when off because of the hang-on-resume?
May 02 04:06:58 <zsoc> can I onSuccess: setTimeout("this.my_func", 3000), <- from a service return?
May 02 04:12:34 <Roy-Pre101> Not with it in quotes like that.
May 02 04:12:44 <Roy-Pre101> And not like that.
May 02 04:12:48 <Roy-Pre101> You can wrap it in a function.
May 02 04:13:14 <Roy-Pre101> onSuccess: function() { setTimeout(this.my_func, 3000); }
May 02 04:13:34 <Roy-Pre101> And my_func must be bound
May 02 04:15:35 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: you are the best :)
May 02 04:15:55 <Roy-Pre101> Well, it's tough to be modest.
May 02 04:16:30 <Roy-Pre101> The way you had it, it would call setTimeout as soon as you were filling in the onSuccess handler.
May 02 04:17:17 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: i see.. uh.. so being that it's in a list and it's the end of a function... i can't possibly need both a ; and a ,
May 02 04:17:19 <zsoc> just a , then?
May 02 04:18:18 <Roy-Pre101> Usually a semicolor.  Trailing commas are bad.
May 02 04:18:28 <Roy-Pre101> semicolon
May 02 04:20:05 <zsoc> eclipse doesn't like that
May 02 04:20:24 <zsoc> i also have an onFailure and onError below it
May 02 04:24:43 <zsoc> hmm... doesn't work
May 02 04:35:40 <Roy-Pre101> zsoc|away: Use jslint
May 02 04:36:13 <zsoc|away> Roy-Pre101: ah, better idea :)
May 02 04:36:23 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone know anything about mediawiki expressions?
May 02 04:36:53 <Roy-Pre101> Theoretically just putting {{ #if: | yes | no }} will get you 'no' on a page.  However, I always get the expression itself. :/
May 02 04:37:02 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, maybe they're turned off?
May 02 04:41:38 <Roy-Pre101> Well, that explains it.  It's not included by default, it's in an extension.
May 02 04:47:43 <dohtem> :( i just ruined my DVD drive
May 02 05:19:54 <Roy-Pre101> Well, I spent probably 20 minutes documenting the Spinner.  Far more time than it'll ever take anyone to figure one out.
May 02 05:22:31 <kridx> Shoulda finished sooner.  dohtem just ruined his spinner
May 02 05:22:51 <ron_frown> when is new software due out
May 02 05:27:38 <Roy-Pre101> BTW, this looks really good:  http://ejohn.org/apps/learn
May 02 05:27:51 <Roy-Pre101> (hope that link works)
May 02 05:45:07 <Roy-Pre101> Finally downloaded Uber-Kernel.
May 02 05:45:36 <Roy-Pre101> The name leaves a little something to be desired, I must say.
May 02 05:45:59 <dohtem> lol kridx
May 02 05:49:51 <Roy-Pre101> whee, palm crash
May 02 05:57:12 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, installed Uber-Kernel, phone rebooted (before I had manually rebooted.  Now, I have UberKernel icon but it doesn't do anything when launched.  No Govnah app. Is this normal?
May 02 05:57:24 <Roy-Pre101> doing full reboot.
May 02 06:08:19 <halfhalo> yeah, govnah needed seperatly
May 02 06:08:33 <halfhalo> the ubericon is for easy unimstall
May 02 11:19:00 <joetweeply> could it be that file upload in ares is currently broken?
May 02 12:23:25 <warpdesign> good morning
May 02 12:25:35 <PixelDJ> hello =)
May 02 13:16:02 <Bmyers> morn'n haeffb
May 02 13:17:38 <haeffb> why, yes, yes it is.
May 02 13:17:56 * haeffb trying to clean up syncing issues.
May 02 13:19:10 <Bmyers> try a plumber
May 02 13:19:26 <haeffb> that might help
May 02 13:27:31 * haeffb thinks I'm running into "too long of a loop" errors.
May 02 13:32:52 <Bmyers> well. time to go paint the boat. c u l8r
May 02 13:33:31 <haeffb> paint well, my friend
May 02 13:42:52 <bpadalino> i wonder when webos will enable web workers .. maybe that's their plan for javascript services
May 02 13:56:24 <warpdesign> are there any limits on the use of the Mojo.Depot class ?
May 02 13:56:32 <warpdesign> what's "reasonnable" in terms of size ?
May 02 14:26:41 <warpdesign> ok,  no limit then ! :)
May 02 14:28:24 <BigBiff> anyone know of a good example of using noticeUpdatedItems() as opposed to modelChanged() for a list?
May 02 14:34:15 <BigBiff> ok, i think i got it figured out
May 02 14:34:17 <BigBiff> but
May 02 14:34:59 <BigBiff> $('listid').mojo.noticeUpdatedItems(0, this.listmodel.items)
May 02 14:35:13 <BigBiff> i've got 4 different lists on my scene
May 02 14:35:53 <BigBiff> how would i pass the listid through to the listTapHandler? - all 4 use the same listTapHandler
May 02 14:40:02 <haeffb> the list id is not in the event object?
May 02 14:45:30 <BigBiff> i thought the event object was the model
May 02 14:45:49 <BigBiff> i'll check
May 02 14:45:55 <BigBiff> im sure your right
May 02 14:46:14 <BigBiff> however - i've kind of got it working
May 02 14:46:15 <BigBiff> but
May 02 14:46:36 <BigBiff> it doesnt render the change on screen unless you scroll away from the list row, then scroll back to it
May 02 14:47:00 <BigBiff> is there a way to tell it to render instantly? mimicing the modelChanged
May 02 14:58:22 <BigBiff> got it
May 02 14:59:37 <BigBiff> i was using noticeUpdatedItems(0, this.list) and not this.list.items
May 02 14:59:42 <BigBiff> fixed
May 02 15:01:57 <BigBiff> now to fix the tap-highlight weirdness
May 02 15:19:04 <kridx> warpdesign: you still here?
May 02 15:19:10 <warpdesign> yes
May 02 15:19:22 <kridx> I messed around with depot limits a ways back
May 02 15:19:47 <kridx> you can stick a BIG hunk of data in there
May 02 15:19:57 <kridx> I think I went up to 100K
May 02 15:20:02 <warpdesign> oh, nice !
May 02 15:20:06 <warpdesign> ok
May 02 15:20:12 <kridx> but that was in a simple object
May 02 15:20:16 <warpdesign> yes
May 02 15:20:30 <warpdesign> I suppose you can't send complex objects, right (ie: with functions,..) ?
May 02 15:20:32 <kridx> {"foo": "100K of text"}
May 02 15:20:41 <warpdesign> ok
May 02 15:20:55 <kridx> I've looked at the Mojo code that handles Depot
May 02 15:21:21 <kridx> it will be slower if you have a complex json object
May 02 15:21:31 <kridx> you can only store json objects
May 02 15:21:44 <kridx> nothing with functions, etc
May 02 15:21:50 <warpdesign> ok
May 02 15:21:55 <warpdesign> that's what I thought
May 02 15:22:02 <kridx> can't even store dates, unless you have code to serialize/deserialize
May 02 15:22:09 <kridx> I store dates as epoch seconds...
May 02 15:22:15 <warpdesign> hmm.. ok
May 02 15:23:14 <warpdesign> hmm.. can I store arrays as well ?
May 02 15:23:24 <kridx> look at json.org
May 02 15:24:15 <warpdesign> ok, should do it
May 02 15:25:59 <kridx> You can pass a function as an arg to the json parser.
May 02 15:26:23 <kridx> that function can be used to deserialize some or all objects in fancy ways
May 02 15:26:37 <kridx> like converting epoch seconds to Date objects...
May 02 15:26:45 <kridx> this page has an example
May 02 15:26:47 <kridx> http://www.code-magazine.com/Article.aspx?quickid=090011
May 02 15:31:20 <warpdesign> thanks
May 02 15:32:15 <warpdesign> hmmm.. I assume native JSON is supported in webos ?
May 02 15:44:44 <BigBiff> haeffb: how can i log the event object? propertiesAsString(event) doesnt return
May 02 15:49:41 <_azdak> hey yall
May 02 15:50:36 <ianbeck> BigBiff: does Mojo.Log.info("%j", event) work?  Should convert it to JSON (although I haven't tried this on objects myself yet; just found it in the docs recently)
May 02 15:51:11 <_azdak> anybody got any advice/experience on overall js structure in webOS?
May 02 15:52:07 <_azdak> I've been only using the mojo prototype functions for appropriate event handlers, etc.
May 02 15:52:12 <warpdesign> hmm.. is there a way to access Depots using the PalmInspector (as we would do with any html5 page with the webkit inspector) ?
May 02 15:53:06 <warpdesign> BigBiff: you could use Object.toJSON(event)
May 02 15:53:36 <_azdak> but I'm wondering if it's worth the effort to rewrite all my code to reside in the mojo "state" fucntions (activate, setup, etc.)
May 02 15:54:17 <BigBiff> ianbeck: looks like that's the right track - but i get a 'maximum call stack size exceeded'
May 02 15:54:27 <BigBiff> i need to narrow down the event somehow
May 02 15:54:43 <BigBiff> lemme try object.toJSON
May 02 15:55:13 <warpdesign> that's what I used. Should work unless it detects reference loop
May 02 15:55:39 <warpdesign> kridx: what will Mojo.Depot.add() do in case there is an existing key with the name ?
May 02 15:56:15 <kridx> replace it
May 02 15:57:40 <BigBiff> same thing - maximum call stack....
May 02 16:00:40 <warpdesign> ok
May 02 16:01:10 <warpdesign> so how would I do something like update myField = 'foo' where key = 'bar' ?
May 02 16:01:26 <ianbeck> BigBiff: if logging the properties via logProperties or logPropertiesAsString isn't working, I'm not sure what to recommend
May 02 16:01:27 <warpdesign> without attempting to read/update/add again ?
May 02 16:01:57 <BigBiff> okdoke
May 02 16:35:40 <warpdesign> is there a way to browse Depots using the emulator ?
May 02 16:36:30 <rolsworth> why is the android market growing so fast?
May 02 16:36:45 <rolsworth> compared to webos
May 02 16:39:10 <bpadalino> more devices? beforehand, there was a bigger company backing android than webos
May 02 16:39:27 <bpadalino> ROI for the platform didn't look to be worthwhile for developers?
May 02 16:49:18 <Roy-Pre101> Ping:  Add something to webOS101.com!  Copy some widget docs over, write about something you've done recently.
May 02 16:49:48 <Roy-Pre101> Checkbox, DatePicker, Drawer...  no docs there yet.
May 02 16:50:13 <Roy-Pre101> I added file uploads so you can upload images of the widgets in action.
May 02 17:01:11 <tjaero> I have a date picker inside a scroller, inside a list group... can't get it (including the label to display on one line.  any ideas?
May 02 17:02:26 <Roy-Pre101> tjaero: Hmm, no ideas!  But when you figure it out, docuement it on webos101.com!
May 02 17:02:50 <Roy-Pre101> Check the Palm developer forum.
May 02 17:02:50 <tjaero> yeah it's weird, ares makes it work properly but mojo won't
May 02 17:03:52 <warpdesign> why ?
May 02 17:03:55 <warpdesign> in one word: google
May 02 17:04:10 <warpdesign> many phones/devices are running android
May 02 17:04:29 <warpdesign> but we don't need hundred of thousand of apps
May 02 17:04:33 <warpdesign> we only need good apps
May 02 17:04:51 <warpdesign> palm shouldn't play in the same playground as the others.. it's hopeless..
May 02 17:06:52 <kridx> warpdesign: you can use the sqlite3 command to "browse" the depot
May 02 17:06:57 <kridx> since it's just a sqlite file
May 02 17:07:07 <warpdesign> kridx: yes, just found out
May 02 17:07:11 <kridx> however, the structure is a bit odd...
May 02 17:07:15 <warpdesign> but it seems it's kinda encoded inside the db
May 02 17:07:18 <warpdesign> not very helpfull
May 02 17:07:30 <warpdesign> yes
May 02 17:07:34 <kridx> it's sliced and diced
May 02 17:07:48 <kridx> with a bit of exploring you can figure out how it works
May 02 17:07:59 <Roy-Pre101> tjaero: You could always use the inspector to see the html from the ares app.
May 02 17:08:05 <warpdesign> well, isn't there a way to export it correctly ? (ie: in a human-readable form)
May 02 17:08:11 <kridx> you may wish to install the SQLite Manager firefox plugin
May 02 17:08:21 <kridx> which will make sqlite browsing easier
May 02 17:08:28 <tjaero> good idea.
May 02 17:08:31 <kridx> then you can copy the db file from the emu to your computer
May 02 17:08:34 <warpdesign> hmm.. let's see
May 02 17:08:55 <warpdesign> how am i supposed to access the db from the emulator using firefox ?
May 02 17:08:57 <kridx> you could probably write some code that exports a depot db
May 02 17:09:08 <kridx> copy the file to your computer using novacom
May 02 17:09:46 <kridx> depot is, charitably, not the best idea I've come across
May 02 17:10:03 <kridx> works for me because I'm storing what amounts to a single giant blob
May 02 17:10:11 <kridx> beyond that, well...
May 02 17:10:36 <haeffb> can depot be on ext: like a sqlite db?
May 02 17:10:44 <kridx> haeffb: yup
May 02 17:10:50 <kridx> can't remember the incantation
May 02 17:11:07 <warpdesign> well, what's wrong with depots ?
May 02 17:11:10 <haeffb> if you do that, you can copy directly from media/internal folder in USB mode without needing novacom
May 02 17:11:50 <kridx> there's a lot of monkey-motion in the Mojo depot handling code that seems kinda stupid
May 02 17:11:59 <kridx> they decompose the json object and store it in pieces
May 02 17:12:17 <kridx> when it would be a lot more sensible to just store a single text blob
May 02 17:12:31 <warpdesign> yes, would be the way I would do it..
May 02 17:12:40 <kridx> I think they built it before they had the native json parser in webkit
May 02 17:12:51 <kridx> anyhow, I gotta run
May 02 17:12:58 <kridx> "see" y'all later
May 02 17:45:52 <BigBiff_> blas
May 02 17:46:30 <bpadalino> basic linear algebra subprograms ?
May 02 17:47:09 <BigBiff_> exactly
May 02 17:48:07 <BigBiff_> i need event.id to work - getting me the id of the list by tapping a row
May 02 17:48:34 <haeffb> have you considered bribing it?
May 02 17:49:01 <BigBiff_> i've considered watching a movie and the problem corrects itself
May 02 17:50:40 <BigBiff_> ive got it
May 02 17:51:03 <BigBiff_> event.youknowthelistijusttapped.whatsitsid
May 02 17:51:09 <BigBiff_> that seems to work
May 02 17:51:30 <BigBiff_> im putting that in webos101
May 02 17:54:43 <Roy-Pre101> BigBiff_: you da man
May 02 17:54:53 <BigBiff_> hehe
May 02 17:55:19 <Roy-Pre101> I added a template for widgets.  It's not terribly useful but, hey.
May 02 17:56:36 <BigBiff_> aha
May 02 17:56:41 <BigBiff_> simple js to the rescue
May 02 17:57:00 <BigBiff_> wow - why do i forget to look for the easiest answer in the obvious places
May 02 17:57:09 <BigBiff_> event.srcElement.id
May 02 17:58:12 <ianbeck> I always forget to check vanilla Javascript stuff when working with frameworks, too
May 02 17:58:32 <ianbeck> "Why doesn't Mojo have a periodic function caller?!"  Oh, right, setInterval
May 02 17:58:43 <BigBiff_> hehe, yup
May 02 17:59:03 <haeffb> CSS question: how to I position one icon on top of another?
May 02 17:59:23 <BigBiff_> z-index?
May 02 17:59:25 <ianbeck> absolute or relative positioning (depending on context) and z-index
May 02 17:59:45 <haeffb> first icon is float: left in a list row template
May 02 18:00:02 <haeffb> want second to be centered atop the first.
May 02 18:00:10 <Roy-Pre101> ianbeck: hello!
May 02 18:00:15 <haeffb> position: relative; ?
May 02 18:00:17 <ianbeck> Hey Roy-Pre101
May 02 18:00:41 <ianbeck> Where in the source is the second icon located relative to the first?
May 02 18:00:45 <ianbeck> Same parent element?
May 02 18:01:28 <BigBiff_> well, you could use a negative left margin for the 2nd icon
May 02 18:01:43 <BigBiff_> and higher z-index
May 02 18:02:24 <BigBiff_> i believe that's how the newsreader app does it
May 02 18:04:06 <haeffb> it's currently inside the <div></div> of the first icon.
May 02 18:05:08 <ianbeck> If it's in the same div, I'd probably stick `position: relative;` on the div and then position absolutely (the absolute positioning will be relative to the div)
May 02 18:05:26 <ianbeck> Negative margins would probably work depending on where it is in the flow, but they can get really messy when it comes to figuring out positioning for later elements
May 02 18:06:13 <ianbeck> If your floating icon might be a moving target, that might not be the best solution, though
May 02 18:06:40 <BigBiff_> the newsreader app just ignores 'position' altogether
May 02 18:08:30 <haeffb> grrr....I can't even get the damn thing to show up. Gonna try BigBiff's method of leaving & hope it solves itself.
May 02 18:08:45 <ianbeck> Good luck!
May 02 18:11:25 <BigBiff_> it always fixes itself
May 02 18:12:14 <BigBiff_> haeffb:post ur html/css - id rather work on someone else's issues right now than mine
May 02 18:12:47 <BigBiff_> i'll plug in some stuff to it
May 02 18:13:01 <BigBiff_> even though you'll figure it out before me
May 02 18:40:43 <BigBiff_> weird glitch -
May 02 18:41:22 <BigBiff_> the listTaphandler gets called before the row changes class to .selected
May 02 18:42:11 <BigBiff_> i wouldve thought it to be the other way around
May 02 18:46:52 <ddluk> Hi all
May 02 18:49:27 <ddluk> I've got one question. How can I prevent cookie becoming undefined. I need to check on application start if there is cookie, if there is now cookie go to the preferences menu. But when user run application first time there is no cookie so there is state undefined and my condition if ( this.savedValue.length < 1) not work.
May 02 18:50:16 <Tibfib> ddluk: add another condition?
May 02 18:50:34 <Tibfib> if(this.savedValue.length < 1 || this.savedValue == undefined)
May 02 18:50:44 <ddluk> It doesn't work
May 02 18:51:28 <ddluk> I put it in GlownaAssistant.prototype.activate but on first running it not work
May 02 18:51:32 <Tibfib>  if(!this.savedValue) ?
May 02 18:51:33 <ianbeck> ddluk: http://pastie.org/942658
May 02 18:52:02 <Tibfib> what ianbeck said
May 02 18:53:02 <ianbeck> That's working great for me (got the idea from the APress WebOS book)
May 02 18:53:57 <ddluk> Thank, now I understand, sorry for asking but I've got second question. Can I disable in my application that button near screen under Palm Pre screen. I'm trying to find the way how to disable possibility to minimize the appliaction.
May 02 18:55:00 <ianbeck> If a user couldn't minimize your app, how would they ever exit it?
May 02 18:55:42 <ddluk> User could only minimize my app when disable alarm entering password
May 02 18:56:07 <Tibfib> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/228658-lock-app-scene.html
May 02 18:56:12 <ddluk> so when the alarm is active and he don't know the password application is still runnig
May 02 18:58:27 <ddluk> So I should make a service request to launch my app id
May 02 18:59:36 <ddluk> and put it into Mojo.Event.stageDeactivated
May 02 18:59:56 <Tibfib> yep
May 02 19:00:48 <Tibfib> does anyone know if Dan Kurtz of self aware games hangs out in here?
May 02 19:15:03 <Tibfib> guess not
May 02 19:34:39 <ddluk> Tibfib: making that service request is no good idea, maybe you know how to read the state of center button of pre ??
May 02 19:43:01 <Tibfib> ddluk: you can't read the state...  You have to do the service call.
May 02 19:44:24 <ddluk> Tibfib: I would like to do something like that but with home(center) button
May 02 19:44:25 <ddluk> if (event.type == Mojo.Event.back){
May 02 19:44:25 <ddluk> event.stop();
May 02 19:44:25 <ddluk> }
May 02 19:44:39 <Tibfib> ddluk: as far as i know, you can't.
May 02 19:45:08 <Tibfib> read the whole topic. You need to make your app multi-stage and then call the service to relaunch the app on deactivate
May 02 19:45:35 <ddluk> ok, thank you. Making service request only run application from the begging not from the scene point I want
May 02 19:46:09 <Tibfib> ddluk: you should be able to get it to work
May 02 19:46:39 <ddluk> Tibfib: ok, I will try
May 02 19:49:19 <_azdak> Within a method, does 'this' refer to the method or the object?
May 02 19:50:01 <_azdak> put another way, how should 'sister' methods of an object call one another?
May 02 20:06:36 <millenomi> _azdak: this.otherMethod();
May 02 20:06:51 <millenomi> 'this' in a method is the object that was before the dot in the method call.
May 02 20:08:12 <_azdak> millenomi- so within my setup() function,
May 02 20:08:56 <_azdak> i have this.doSomething = function() {}
May 02 20:09:25 <warpdesign> hmm... I'm using Mojo.depot.get() to get some info.. problem is that it's asynchronus... so my function returns before information is retrieved.. is there a way to call it asynchronusly ? had a look at Mojo.Function.Synchronize, but I don't see how I could use it for that purpose..
May 02 20:09:29 <_azdak> and the.dosomethingelse = function() { this.dosomething(); }
May 02 20:10:00 <millenomi> I assume it's this.dosomethingelse?
May 02 20:10:06 <_azdak> yeah, sorry
May 02 20:10:08 <millenomi> anyway, yea, it'll work.
May 02 20:10:34 <_azdak> thanks- getting myself all confused with oop
May 02 20:11:09 <millenomi> warpdesign: IIRC, it takes a function, no? exploit the closure™.
May 02 20:11:50 <warpdesign> millenomi: you mean get() takes a function ?
May 02 20:12:00 <millenomi> http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-mojo-development-resources/api-reference/612--mojodepotgetkey-onsuccess-onfailure-?catid=51%3Amojodepot- <--- says yes.
May 02 20:13:22 <_azdak> millenomi- can I call methods that way from a different prototype of the same object (the .activate() or whatever)?
May 02 20:13:56 <millenomi> _azdak: explaining it thoroughly would take a day or two (stupid prototypal inheritance >_<) but in short -- yes.
May 02 20:14:03 <millenomi> just use this.doSomething().
May 02 20:15:01 <_azdak> cool, and thanks. I'm having a hard time finding best practice guidelines for this sorta js
May 02 20:15:42 <_azdak> I originally wrote my app with a mess of globals, and integrating it into the setup(), etc. functions is making my head spin a little bit
May 02 20:16:01 <millenomi> do read a book on the argument. JS is not easy at all.
May 02 20:16:02 <millenomi> >_<
May 02 20:16:12 <millenomi> or, well, it IS easy -- once you KNOW it.
May 02 20:16:41 <millenomi> 'nyway
May 02 20:17:33 <millenomi> I dropped in chan to say, for PDK'ers, I'm working at a base library that mimics Apple's Core Foundation to ease iPhone-to-elsewhere porting: http://github.com/millenomi/argyle/
May 02 20:18:06 <millenomi> "but", I hear you say, "why not use STL?", and the answer is: STL doesn't have the same memory semantics as Core Foundation, it's hard to bridge, and Android doesn't have it and I target that too.
May 02 20:18:12 <millenomi> that is all.
May 02 20:18:41 <warpdesign> millenomi: I'm not following you..
May 02 20:19:19 <millenomi> if you didn't get what I say, you're a) very lucky and b) not in need of that library at all :)
May 02 20:21:39 <BigBiff_> millenomi: plz forgive my ignorance - that's in c++?
May 02 20:22:01 <millenomi> yes.
May 02 20:22:07 <BigBiff_> k
May 02 20:22:30 <millenomi> the idea is, I'm making a library of things that behave like the basic building blocks Apple provides for iPhone dev.
May 02 20:22:37 <BigBiff_> sure
May 02 20:22:55 <BigBiff_> i'm just admiring the complexity of the language
May 02 20:22:56 <Tibfib> to make it even easier to port apps?
May 02 20:22:57 <millenomi> so I can then port the code I already have into an executable that'll run with PDK stuff, or on Android etc.
May 02 20:23:15 <millenomi> yea, it sucks badly as a language >_<
May 02 20:23:45 <BigBiff_> it's the toughest to learn/ yet fastest to run yes?
May 02 20:24:57 <millenomi> I would have preferred C, but I was doing a ton of OO-like things, and needed one of the Steve Jobs-blessed languages (gah) that had OO stuff built in.
May 02 21:04:52 <kridx> warpdesign: You can look at the code in Keyring to see how to handle async Depot gets
May 02 21:04:58 <kridx> it's a pain...
May 02 21:06:00 <kridx> http://github.com/krid/keyring/blob/master/app/models/ring.js
May 02 21:06:05 <warpdesign> yes
May 02 21:06:15 <warpdesign> I got throught it though
May 02 21:06:24 <kridx> You end up with a chain of functions and a callback
May 02 21:06:29 <warpdesign> but I have some little bug..
May 02 21:06:33 <warpdesign> thanks: I'll check that
May 02 21:07:11 <joetweeply> is there anyone who speaks french to check up my translations?
May 02 21:08:41 <rwhitby> morning
May 02 21:11:49 <warpdesign> joetweeply: I do
May 02 21:12:03 <joetweeply> you wanna check up my translations?
May 02 21:12:19 <joetweeply> its some 10 lines
May 02 21:15:38 <warpdesign> joetweeply: yes, send it
May 02 21:15:54 <warpdesign> and give me 10mins: I need to fix some bug
May 02 21:57:49 <warpdesign> is there a way to disable native log messages (like " Beginning native scene transition: zoom-fade , isPop= true, palmInitFramework...") ?
May 02 22:02:44 <halfhalo> Well, not really
May 02 22:02:57 <halfhalo> why would it matter?
May 02 22:06:45 <warpdesign> cause I can't see mine in the middle of all other ones
May 02 22:33:10 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: ping
May 02 22:43:48 <zsoc> onSuccess: setTimeout(function(){this.my_func();}, 3000),
May 02 22:44:14 <zsoc> That's as close as I can get. I swear I will get this to work.
May 02 22:54:06 <joetweeply> zsoc: how about setTimeout( (function(){this.my_func();}).bind(this), 3000),?
May 02 22:54:31 <jdforsythe> anyone have experience with cookies?
May 02 22:54:43 <jdforsythe> i can get one to set, and tell if one exist, and delete one
May 02 22:54:55 <jdforsythe> but i'm having trouble getting the values of the object i'm storing
May 02 22:55:45 <jdforsythe> I store it with this:
May 02 22:55:46 <jdforsythe> this.cookieRef.put(
May 02 22:55:46 <jdforsythe> 	 	{
May 02 22:55:46 <jdforsythe> 		quitYear: this.year,
May 02 22:55:46 <jdforsythe> 		quitMonth: this.month,
May 02 22:55:46 <jdforsythe> 		quitDay: this.day,
May 02 22:55:48 <jdforsythe> 		amount: this.amount,
May 02 22:55:52 <jdforsythe> 		cost: this.cost
May 02 22:55:54 <jdforsythe> 		});
May 02 22:56:17 <jdforsythe> retrieve with this:
May 02 22:56:17 <jdforsythe> 	this.cookieJSON = this.cookieRef.get();
May 02 22:56:50 <jdforsythe> but this.cookieJSON.quitYear is undefined, so are quitMonth quitDay, etc
May 02 22:57:14 <jdforsythe> this.cookieJSON.toString() is "[Object object]"
May 02 22:57:19 <zsoc> joetweeply: will give it a shot
May 02 22:58:44 <jdforsythe> or does anyone know a good/easy way to output all the contents of the object?
May 02 23:07:31 <joetweeply> jdforsythe: you should use something like var myObject = eval('(' + this.cookieJSON.toString() + ')'); .... maybe that helps?
May 02 23:17:38 <jdforsythe> no... i'm getting this in the log
May 02 23:17:39 <jdforsythe> 2010-05-02T23:16:13.228038Z [21710] qemux86 user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.jdfsoftware.quitsmoking: Error: An exception occurred in the 'prefs' scene's setup() method., palmInitFramework338:2520
May 02 23:17:39 <jdforsythe> 2010-05-02T23:16:13.243852Z [21710] qemux86 user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.jdfsoftware.quitsmoking: Error: Error: Unexpected identifier, line undefined, file undefined, palmInitFramework338:2520
May 02 23:18:55 <jdforsythe> i don't understand because i had it basically just like what the example is on webos101
May 02 23:21:30 <joetweeply> what does Object.toJSON( this.cookieJSON ); say?
May 02 23:22:47 <dawm_> hrm..
May 02 23:23:01 <dawm_> ran into vanilla ice today at work
May 02 23:23:28 <jdforsythe> hmm progress
May 02 23:23:29 <jdforsythe> 2010-05-02T23:22:40.587081Z [22098] qemux86 user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.jdfsoftware.quitsmoking: Error: Error: Object {"amount": 1, "cost": "4.50"} has no method 'join', line undefined, file undefined, palmInitFramework338:2520
May 02 23:23:41 <jdforsythe> the object should have quityear, quitmonth, and quitday as well
May 02 23:23:53 <jdforsythe> maybe the problem is that they really ARE undefined when i'm setting them!
May 02 23:24:04 <jdforsythe> being able to inspect the object easily would have helped...
May 02 23:24:05 <jdforsythe> thanks
May 02 23:26:38 <jdforsythe> yes that seems to be the issue. i can get this.cookieJSON.amount or cost without error. something's wrong when i'm setting it
May 02 23:28:59 <Roy-Pre101> zsoc: Still wrong!
May 02 23:29:46 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: well none of them work :p including the one you gave me yesterday
May 02 23:30:07 <Roy-Pre101> Pshaw!
May 02 23:30:46 <Roy-Pre101> onSuccess: function() { blah blah blah }
May 02 23:30:58 <Roy-Pre101> If you want, just put the setTimeout call into a function on your assistant.
May 02 23:31:03 <Roy-Pre101> Whoops
May 02 23:31:13 <Roy-Pre101> onSuccess: function() { blah blah blah }.bind(this)
May 02 23:31:23 <zsoc> WHY IS THERE NO SLEEP FUNCTION IN JS
May 02 23:31:24 <Roy-Pre101> Then make sure it's bound.
May 02 23:31:24 <zsoc> bah
May 02 23:31:36 <Roy-Pre101> All you're doing is creating an anonymous function anyhow
May 02 23:31:41 <Roy-Pre101> Two of them, really.
May 02 23:32:05 <Roy-Pre101> something like that, anyhow
May 02 23:38:34 <_azdak> anybody know any common reasons for  Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier, :1
May 02 23:39:00 <_azdak> cause that's about the least useful error message I've ever seen hahah
May 02 23:39:51 <dawm_> hrm
May 02 23:41:11 <dawm_> anyone know if rbtwhiz comes on here?
May 02 23:47:31 <dawm_> heh
May 02 23:47:31 <dawm_> http://palmhotapps.com/FastMoverData
May 02 23:47:36 <dawm_> came up in a google search..
May 02 23:47:52 <jdforsythe> yea we've both integrated it into our apps
May 02 23:48:05 <jdforsythe> josh posted that per my request the other day :)
May 02 23:49:15 <dawm_> no i mean it came up as a result to a search
May 02 23:49:20 <dawm_> due to data contained in it
May 02 23:49:32 <jdforsythe> oh i see
May 02 23:50:41 <jdforsythe> well googlebot scans the forums all the time
May 02 23:50:46 <jdforsythe> probably followed his link
May 02 23:50:59 <dawm_> was trying to find some sort of contact info for rbtwhiz .. no luck so i sent him a PM on the dev forums
May 02 23:51:01 <jdforsythe> there's no robots.txt on the server nor any tags that say nofollow
May 02 23:53:37 <jdforsythe> tried to find something in his flame app but all the help options pull up the app catalog and give an error ...
May 02 23:58:30 <joetweeply> man... too late to program much further
May 02 23:58:37 <joetweeply> yet could also be too late to go to bed at al
May 03 00:02:32 <jdforsythe> late? where are you? it's only 8pm here lol
May 03 00:02:57 <jdforsythe> ok another question - anyone have experience with custom pickers?
May 03 00:03:18 <jdforsythe> i need sort of an integer picker, but with halves in between, like 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5..
May 03 00:03:26 <jdforsythe> but i don't understand what the hell this is talking about:
May 03 00:04:18 <jdforsythe> Picker Widgets all extend from the same basic widget type. If you would like to implement a new type of picker, subclass the Mojo.Widget._GenericPicker and pass a strategy object. All purpose-specific logic resides in the strategy, but all basic layout and event resides in the _GenericPicker.
May 03 00:04:32 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101: sorry for doubting you, the problem is my onSuccess isn't triggering, not the timeout syntax
May 03 00:20:58 <joetweeply> jdforsythe i'm in germany
May 03 00:21:08 <joetweeply> and totally into my code ... apparently
May 03 00:21:22 <joetweeply> but i kinda should go to bed...
May 03 00:21:33 <joetweeply> yet it's so much fun to code a game
May 03 00:21:37 <jdforsythe> lol
May 03 00:21:45 <jdforsythe> it's so much fun to code in general
May 03 00:21:50 <joetweeply> true true
May 03 00:21:56 <jdforsythe> you know anything about custom pickers? lol
May 03 00:22:03 <jdforsythe> can't get an answer anywhere
May 03 00:22:06 <joetweeply> sorry... can't help you with that
May 03 00:22:28 <joetweeply> how much numbers you have in total?
May 03 00:22:32 <jdforsythe> i guess i could just go with a text box, but then you can't be sure what a user will type in
May 03 00:22:44 <joetweeply> because if it's not more than 10 you could also use a menu select
May 03 00:22:59 <jdforsythe> exactly 10
May 03 00:23:14 <jdforsythe> hmm does that look basically like an integer picker?
May 03 00:23:26 <jdforsythe> i have little experience with the widgets - i normally make a completely custom ui
May 03 00:23:30 <joetweeply> well... not exactly, but kinda equal
May 03 00:23:53 <jdforsythe> is that the little pop-up menu that happens when you tap on stuff
May 03 00:24:18 <jdforsythe> like in my webos apps, if you're familiar with the app, when you tap on the forum posts icon
May 03 00:25:10 <jdforsythe> hmm i guess i could even use a drop-down selector.. what are those called again?
May 03 00:26:04 <oil> listselector
May 03 00:26:27 <haeffb> bob
May 03 00:26:31 <haeffb> I call them bob
May 03 00:26:36 <jdforsythe> lol
May 03 00:26:59 <jdforsythe> that's the same thing as <select> in html, right?
May 03 00:27:25 <oil> its... somewhat the same?
May 03 00:28:37 <zsoc> oil: if I don't have any parameters for a service request, do i have to parameters: {}, ?
May 03 00:29:33 <oil> you don't need the parameters: part at all
May 03 00:30:29 <jdforsythe> then listselector it is
May 03 00:31:10 <zsoc> oil: I didn't think so, but my onSuccess isn't uh.. triggering what I'm asking it to. Just trying to weed out possibilities
May 03 00:31:34 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/govnah.git;a=blob;f=app/models/service.js;h=2421ca17899a0f8f191e505af11ff5d2c20bbb62;hb=HEAD#l5
May 03 00:32:01 <zsoc> that's what i'm doing
May 03 00:32:17 <zsoc> er, well i'm onSuccess: this.Function,
May 03 00:32:30 <oil> this.function.bindAsEventListener?
May 03 00:32:46 <halfhalo> 20 bucks sys this is not being bound right
May 03 00:32:46 <oil> or do you not care about the scope
May 03 00:33:06 <zsoc> halfhalo: it's the same way i'm binding it in my other 10 service requests/function calls :p
May 03 00:33:10 <halfhalo> wow, I'm sucking at typing today
May 03 00:33:24 <zsoc> oil: the scope of the function being called? no not really important
May 03 00:33:44 * oil assumes your service is busted then
May 03 00:33:49 <zsoc> it probably is
May 03 00:34:00 <zsoc> but the service method is returning fine when i use luna-sedn
May 03 00:34:25 <haeffb> onSuccess: function() {Mojo.Log.info("I did it!!!!");},
May 03 00:35:00 <_azdak> Do different prototype methods of the same object share arrays?
May 03 00:35:40 <haeffb> _azdak: please restate the question
May 03 00:36:40 <joetweeply> i don't think so _azdak ... any way it is a part of the object, not the class itself
May 03 00:36:53 <_azdak> Ok- in setup(), i create this.array[]
May 03 00:37:01 <_azdak> push some stuff to it
May 03 00:37:44 <pandora--> i'm being a total javascript noob today
May 03 00:37:47 <haeffb> array is a property of the (I assume) sceneAssistant and can be accessed in other methods of the assistant as this.array
May 03 00:37:48 <_azdak> but it's doesn't appear to pass to .activate()
May 03 00:38:30 <haeffb> this.array = [];
May 03 00:38:32 <haeffb> ?
May 03 00:38:37 <_azdak> haeffb: I'm calling array.length and it's saying it doesn't exist
May 03 00:38:46 <haeffb> this.array.length
May 03 00:38:58 <pandora--> can someone set me straight on the "right" way to iterate over an array in js?  I'm doing a typical for loop: for (var i = 0; i < myArray.length; i++) { /* etc */ }
May 03 00:39:33 <oil> that way works fine
May 03 00:39:41 <haeffb> pandora-- works for me
May 03 00:39:54 <halfhalo> That works, but I could have sworn there was an .each method in prototype
May 03 00:40:00 <oil> alternatively you can myArray.each(function(e){ /* etc */ })
May 03 00:40:07 <pandora--> but i'm getting allll the elements of the Object, like _each findAll grep
May 03 00:40:07 <_azdak> haeddb: sorry if I'm not being clear- that's what I'm doing, doesn't seem to want to work
May 03 00:40:10 <haeffb> there is an .each method in Prototype
May 03 00:40:15 <oil> but i believe that changes the scope
May 03 00:40:22 <pandora--> er
May 03 00:40:25 <pandora--> now its working
May 03 00:40:34 <pandora--> i must have dorked the syntax somewhere
May 03 00:40:44 <pandora--> i thought it was weird
May 03 00:41:01 <pandora--> like i haven't done a bajillion for loops in my life
May 03 00:41:32 <oil> lol
May 03 00:41:34 <haeffb> _azdak: pastebin some code...
May 03 00:41:56 <haeffb> 10 I = I + 1
May 03 00:41:59 <haeffb> 20 PRINT I
May 03 00:42:04 <haeffb> 30 GOTO 10
May 03 00:42:11 <swishy> hehe
May 03 00:42:18 <haeffb> oops
May 03 00:42:24 <haeffb> ctrl-C
May 03 00:43:29 <jdforsythe> hmm isn't the list selector supposed to have some kind of default styling?
May 03 00:43:31 <oil> http://xkcd.com/292/
May 03 00:43:45 <jdforsythe> it's just showing up as the label with no arrow or outline or anything
May 03 00:43:53 <oil> you have to setup the widget
May 03 00:44:01 <zsoc> oil: nice
May 03 00:44:23 <jdforsythe> i mean the widget is working properly, it's just not styled at all
May 03 00:44:46 <oil> you have it nested correctly in palm-row-wrappers or whatever?
May 03 00:45:03 <oil> or just <div x-mojo... by itself
May 03 00:45:19 <jdforsythe> just the solo div
May 03 00:45:29 <jdforsythe> there's nothing about this nesting in the documentation for listselector lol
May 03 00:45:31 <haeffb> it needs friends
May 03 00:45:41 <jdforsythe> link?
May 03 00:45:58 <oil> well if you want the styles, it has to be nested
May 03 00:46:07 <oil> i believe all the default styles look for them
May 03 00:46:34 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/govnah.git;a=blob;f=app/views/preferences/preferences-scene.html;h=234c6c75156a6311ca7fac8d026d98c749921bb2;hb=HEAD
May 03 00:46:59 <oil> see the nesting?
May 03 00:47:01 <oil> :)
May 03 00:47:10 <haeffb> http://www.pastie.org/942986
May 03 00:47:22 <haeffb> my internet is too slow....
May 03 00:47:33 * oil already had the govnah repo open :)
May 03 00:47:49 * oil wonders what hte "thirsty" class is doing :)
May 03 00:48:06 <haeffb> oh! Beer time!
May 03 00:48:16 * oil is strangely parched now
May 03 00:48:21 <jdforsythe> ok cool, so is there a general reference page for which classes to wrap around which widgets?
May 03 00:48:39 <oil> eh, its pretty much all the same
May 03 00:48:39 <BigBiff_> ok, i'm getting my yuengling black and tan now
May 03 00:48:40 <jdforsythe> hmm or isn't there a sample code? i'm such an idiot lol
May 03 00:48:40 * haeffb looks at sample apps
May 03 00:48:49 <jdforsythe> lol yup
May 03 00:48:52 <oil> i dont know if there is a page that explains all the values
May 03 00:48:58 <oil> just trial and error is how i roll :)
May 03 00:48:58 <haeffb> uiwidgets, stylematters, et al.
May 03 00:49:06 <oil> stylematters app is fail
May 03 00:49:06 <_azdak> haeffb: http://pastebin.com/USDvqqgR
May 03 00:49:09 <jdforsythe> i so wish the documentation was more complete and without errors
May 03 00:49:13 * haeffb watches over oil's shoulder
May 03 00:49:27 <oil> stylematters is far too seperated to be any good for readability
May 03 00:49:29 <jdforsythe> the documentation for date picker has a bad typo lol
May 03 00:49:34 <oil> all its good for is to package and run to see what things look like
May 03 00:49:56 <jdforsythe> it has something weird instead of Mojo.Event.propertyChange
May 03 00:50:19 <jdforsythe> alright thanks for your help guys
May 03 00:50:37 <BigBiff_> i just wish $('') worked for name, not just id
May 03 00:50:47 <BigBiff_> or maybe it does
May 03 00:50:53 <oil> bigbiff and name attributes
May 03 00:50:54 <joetweeply> BigBiff_ you talking about ares?
May 03 00:50:55 <oil> lol
May 03 00:50:56 <BigBiff_> just not in my list
May 03 00:50:59 <BigBiff_> hehe
May 03 00:51:03 <oil> ignore name
May 03 00:51:04 <oil> just use id
May 03 00:51:05 <oil> all the time
May 03 00:51:05 <BigBiff_> damn templates
May 03 00:51:16 <BigBiff_> cant in the list, my friend
May 03 00:51:35 <oil> didn't we already talk about finding the tap area via class with .includes()?
May 03 00:51:45 <oil> why are you still messing with the name attribute
May 03 00:51:46 <BigBiff_> ahhh, yes
May 03 00:51:54 <oil> lol
May 03 00:51:56 <BigBiff_> no, this is a NEW name prob
May 03 00:52:04 <BigBiff_> im on to bigger and dumber things
May 03 00:52:05 <oil> the problem is using name in the first place xD
May 03 00:52:07 <BigBiff_> hehe
May 03 00:52:54 <haeffb> _azdak: I am not the best person to discuss issues of javascript scope, but...
May 03 00:53:00 <joetweeply> BigBiff_ because for ares you can use this.$.<name of widget in ares>
May 03 00:53:24 <BigBiff_> in a list template?
May 03 00:53:47 <haeffb> ...I *think* that inside this.newZombies, this refers to setup(), not the Assistant.
May 03 00:54:11 <haeffb> unless you this.newZombies = function () {}.bind(this)
May 03 00:54:27 <zsoc> ZOMBIES
May 03 00:54:28 <_azdak> haeffb- yeah, that was my concern as well
May 03 00:54:40 <BigBiff_> hehe, yes id does indeed work in the template
May 03 00:54:53 * BigBiff_ hides in shame
May 03 00:54:54 <haeffb> why not make newZombies a method of the assistant, rather than a method in setup?
May 03 00:55:11 <haeffb> and same for render...
May 03 00:55:36 <haeffb> or .bind(this) each of them...
May 03 00:55:58 <_azdak> yup, I'm thinking attaching them to the assistant may be the way to go
May 03 00:56:40 <_azdak> I originally wrote this with a bunch of global functions, but was having a hell of a time with load sequence
May 03 00:56:50 <_azdak> as the thing is pretty processor heavy
May 03 00:57:52 <_azdak> and I'm still pretty unclear on prototype inheritance
May 03 00:59:54 <_azdak> thanks for taking a look
May 03 01:13:12 <_azdak> night yall
May 03 01:35:04 <JenP> hi all
May 03 01:36:18 <phiberoptik> who here owns palm pixi on sprint?
May 03 01:36:52 <haeffb> I does
May 03 01:37:21 * oil rarely tests his stuff for pixi xD
May 03 01:37:37 <phiberoptik> is it worth
May 03 01:37:38 <phiberoptik> it
May 03 01:37:41 <phiberoptik> its free now
May 03 01:37:41 <phiberoptik> for me
May 03 01:37:44 <phiberoptik> to upgrade
May 03 01:37:48 <phiberoptik> and i still have 1 year left on my contract
May 03 01:38:04 <oil> haeffb: hows wirc look on pixi screen?
May 03 01:38:25 <phiberoptik> brb restart
May 03 01:38:30 <haeffb> oil - it's my wifes phone & I haven't tried it.
May 03 01:38:37 <oil> wth
May 03 01:38:48 <haeffb> it doesn't even have preware
May 03 01:38:56 <oil> O.O
May 03 01:39:06 <haeffb> no, really
May 03 01:40:43 <zsoc> my wife enjoys preware
May 03 01:41:22 <haeffb> f'in google broke my app...
May 03 01:41:39 <haeffb> now I gotta go learn google docs APIs
May 03 01:41:44 <halfhalo> lol
May 03 01:47:14 <pandora--> can anyone give an example, or point in the right direction for setting up an application global class that all my assistants can access statically?
May 03 01:47:38 <pandora--> not sure how to do it with prototype/mojo style
May 03 01:57:54 <haeffb> pandora: MyAppGlobal = {};
May 03 01:58:04 <haeffb> MyAppGlobal.stuff = 'text';
May 03 01:58:18 <haeffb> MyAppGlobal.anArray = [];
May 03 02:13:25 <pandora--> haeffb: where do i store that?
May 03 02:13:36 <pandora--> model/MyAppGlobal.js ?
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