**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 04 03:00:01 2010 May 04 03:07:25 hi all May 04 03:11:18 hello JenP May 04 04:00:31 lol, the touchstone on castle looks exactly like the touchstone except with electrical tape over the palm logo May 04 04:14:33 palm pixi coming tomorrow May 04 04:16:50 Your package is on time with a scheduled delivery date of 05/04/2010. May 04 04:36:08 pihberoptik: due to get a pixi soon eh? May 04 04:51:02 yep May 04 04:51:03 im excited May 04 05:04:54 pixi's a cool phone. seems more solid then pre. May 04 05:19:23 no doubt May 04 06:12:58 wowot May 04 09:26:30 hey all May 04 09:26:32 wasup? May 04 09:26:48 does someone has worked with webview? May 04 09:27:25 i use the example from Palm UIWidgets May 04 09:28:08 i don't really find good examples about all the methods, attributes fo webview.. anyone has good examples? May 04 12:16:58 if i use ares, what lib's i need to include in my app? May 04 12:45:42 i try to figure out, why my webview don't have a prograss icon.. i use the example from Palm's UIWidgets.. May 04 12:46:06 in this example, there is a stopModel with the icon load-progress... May 04 12:46:30 here is the code, if someone can help: http://paste.ubuntu.com/427627/ May 04 13:24:09 noaXess you still here? May 04 13:24:17 yeah May 04 13:24:21 any idea? May 04 13:24:36 ok, are you writing your app in ares or with the regular sdk? May 04 13:25:18 with regular sdk May 04 13:27:20 Why are you wanting to use a webview object? What's the purpose of the webview in your app? May 04 13:28:10 ...viewing the web... May 04 13:28:22 * haeffb_pre just guessing May 04 13:28:37 haeffb_pre shut up. you're not helping. May 04 13:28:46 hows the book coming? May 04 13:28:48 http://webos101.com/WebView May 04 13:28:57 Please expand as necessary. May 04 13:29:05 like a snail crawling across broken glass. May 04 13:29:35 slimy & covered in snail blood. awesome May 04 13:29:36 (also, no one added anything to webos101.com yesterday. tsk! May 04 13:29:39 ) May 04 13:30:07 yar May 04 13:31:33 noaXess is trying to use fancy methods associated with webview, progress bar, did document load? etc... May 04 13:31:40 all stuff I've never seen anyone use. May 04 13:32:03 that's cool. May 04 13:32:05 Rick_work: the page load.. no problem.. but i can't get a progress bar... or a stop bar.. i just see the reload bar.. May 04 13:34:19 noaXess you'll forgive my stupidity, but I see nothing in the docs about a progress bar. May 04 13:35:14 Rick_work: but there should be one.. see my code on line 104 May 04 13:36:11 yes sir, but nowhere do you have a this.controller.setupWidget that instantiates a progress bar. May 04 13:37:17 Rick_work: hm... what about the this.stopModel.. icon: load-progress... whats that?.. May 04 13:40:02 noaXess oh, i see, you're trying to replace the model icon on the stop command button. May 04 13:40:10 ok, where do you do updateModel? May 04 13:41:24 you have this.stopModel = { May 04 13:41:24 label: $L('Stop'), May 04 13:41:24 icon: 'load-progress', May 04 13:41:24 command: 'stop' May 04 13:41:24 }; so, if you want to put a DIFFERENT icon in the stop menu, you seem to be doing a lot of work I don't really follow, why not just select your new icon file, and do modelChanged? May 04 13:42:01 I don't really follow what your calls to mojo animate are trying to do? May 04 13:42:17 Rick_work: sorry.. but this is just the example from Palm's UIWidgets examples.. May 04 13:42:28 i just copied it.. ;).. May 04 13:42:35 i thin i should start from scratch May 04 13:42:38 Does it work in their example? May 04 13:42:58 did you copy all 24 images over? May 04 13:43:00 Rick_work: i work.. but no progress icon.. or stop icon.. just the reload icon/button May 04 13:43:15 Rick_work: hm.. :].. hm.. let me see.. May 04 13:45:33 where the image should be?? May 04 13:46:09 but i think no image neede.. cause it will be generated.. or not? May 04 13:46:21 var image = Math.round(percent / 4.1); May 04 13:46:58 by the way.. the UIWidgets examples from Palm are in /opt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/samplecode/samples/UIWidgets/ May 04 13:47:09 so, search the upwidget sample for files named 0 to 23 May 04 13:47:28 they will probably be png's. May 04 13:48:31 no images in the folder that are named with numbers.. May 04 13:51:34 then I'm utteryly at a loss. May 04 13:51:54 Rick_work: me too.. don't really understand that code from palm's example.. May 04 13:52:11 Rick_work: you never worked with webview? May 04 13:52:22 does the example in UIWidgets work? May 04 13:52:45 .. just a moment.. May 04 13:52:52 no, never have. I tend to ajax request the web page, and parse out the little peice I'm interested in rather than displaying a whole thing in a webview. May 04 13:53:22 Rick_work: same problem.. no stop/progress icon.. May 04 13:53:42 ok, if it doesn't work on THEIR EXAMPLE it isn't going to work for you. May 04 13:53:50 think i will made my own progress... or a spinner? so.. the spinner runs while the page is loading, rigth? May 04 13:53:58 Post it in the bugs forum at developer.palm.com May 04 13:54:01 Rick_work: so.. yes :( May 04 13:54:04 right spinners work. May 04 13:54:28 but please pretty please post it in the bugs topic at developer.palm.com that the UIWidgets example doesn't work. May 04 13:54:37 Be sure to specify carrier and os version. May 04 13:54:41 Rick_work: okay. May 04 13:56:43 Mint available for Android... May 04 13:57:15 Anyone tried setting up a paid and an open source account on Palm? Do you just have to create two accounts? May 04 13:59:47 Rick_work: are you a palm employee? May 04 14:03:45 roy, yes. need diff email for each. May 04 14:11:38 is there a list of default icon's for commando menu's to use?.. icon's that are included? May 04 14:15:07 or where can i see the default palm css file? think there are a lot of default icon styles included May 04 14:24:06 stylesheets dir in refcode in SDK directory has all the CSS May 04 14:35:46 var icon = this.controller.select('div.load-progress')[0]; where is div.load-progress? is that a global SDK css definition? May 04 14:37:25 or means div.load-prograss a div with id load-progress? May 04 14:45:14 those are very handy, but tough to read May 04 14:45:55 Roy-Pre101: just gave the page an update - though someone should probably validate it May 04 14:46:22 well, i mean the code works, i just dont know if it's understandable May 04 14:47:11 * BigBiff_ home with sick baby May 04 14:48:03 haeffb_pre: so there is no css definition for load-progres.. strange.... bug.. May 04 14:50:53 but what icon will be used in the browser, while a page is loading? May 04 14:51:48 I think it means the first div with a class of load-progress May 04 14:52:11 did you check the css of the uiwidgets app? May 04 14:54:50 haeffb_pre: yes.. no other definition for load-progress.. May 04 14:55:37 by the way, i'm working on webview.. with the example from the SDK.. and i think there is a bug with the load-progress icon.. cause there is no May 04 14:55:42 icon.. May 04 14:56:36 sounds like a problem. try defining the load-progress in your css & see what happens May 04 14:58:16 haeffb_pre: define as .load-progress or #load-progress? May 04 14:58:27 think .load-progress.. right? May 04 14:59:03 yes...does your html use that class definition? May 04 14:59:38 haeffb_pre: normaly yes... May 04 14:59:50 cause some div's are defined from the app's css.. May 04 15:01:38 no, I mean does your html have a div that uses the load-progress CSS class? May 04 15:03:57 haeffb_pre: now.. the webview view has just this:

May 04 15:04:12 how should the load-progress.png icon looks like? May 04 15:05:41 make it whatever you want just to see if it shows up... May 04 15:06:57 haeffb_pre: it show up. have defined it with just a background color.. May 04 15:08:08 where can i find the source of the browser app.. so i can check how the progress is made? May 04 15:08:41 * sugardave tries to remember. May 04 15:08:54 * sugardave fails. May 04 15:09:06 don0t find it in the SDK.. May 04 15:09:28 nah, you'll have to find it on the phone/emu May 04 15:12:45 looked at code...it appears to be just changing background-position of a single image... May 04 15:13:30 haeffb_pre: and the image.. how should it be look.. 5x5px icon/png ? May 04 15:15:47 looks like 48 x 1152 with 24 different images May 04 15:16:19 haeffb_pre: aha.. hm.. where is that image.. don't want create it myself.. May 04 15:16:36 I don't know. May 04 15:17:06 web browser may use it. May 04 15:17:21 haeffb_pre: have done that long time.. but how can i connect to the emu over ssh.. so i can search for it May 04 15:18:04 dunno. ask sugardave May 04 15:18:20 which .png is it? May 04 15:18:43 we don't know May 04 15:18:44 load-progress i think... it's used for webview and in the browser app.. but isn't available in the sdk May 04 15:19:06 ahhh May 04 15:19:08 noaXess: emu ssh is listening on 5522 May 04 15:19:22 ssh -P 5522 root@localhost May 04 15:19:51 i was never able to get 'localhost' to work - resorted to using my ip May 04 15:19:59 something i jacked up in eclipse i think May 04 15:20:03 that should work, too May 04 15:20:06 or 127.0.0.1 May 04 15:20:33 noaXess - you could cheat and take a screenshot of the image May 04 15:20:59 sugardave: and password, it asking me for it.. straange May 04 15:21:14 by the way.. ssh -p.. small p May 04 15:21:19 password leave blank - usually works May 04 15:21:29 aha May 04 15:22:42 did you find it? May 04 15:23:04 BigBiff_: hm.. no.. where are the apps stored? May 04 15:24:00 no clue - i've only used ssh to look at some code before i realized the palm log was better May 04 15:24:12 i'm ignorant to that (and many many other things) May 04 15:29:22 ur not talking about the little globe icon r u? May 04 15:30:53 BigBiff_: no.. to explain.. just start your browser on the phone and open any webpage.. then on the right is the progress icon.. right? this one shouls also be in the webview widget.. but is not there.. have placed a bug.. see here http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=6919&start=0 May 04 15:30:53 no, the updating load progress icon while a page is loading. not the spinning one...the one that displays adter it stops spinning May 04 15:31:41 haeffb_pre: how can i integrate a spinner into webview?.. so that a big spinner comes up while loading, and on end loading the spinner will set displayed to none? May 04 15:31:56 ahhhh May 04 15:33:49 webos101 has some spinner info... May 04 15:34:41 ok.. May 04 15:34:46 hello everyone May 04 15:34:51 hi CTLAdvance May 04 15:34:56 hello May 04 15:35:45 it's almost pointless searching for anything specific in the app catalog May 04 15:51:03 chuqui: can we please handle my paypal account info problem today? May 04 15:52:26 ok.. spinner in webview is working :).. so how to place the spinner, large-spinner so, that it is allwas in the mittle of the screen? May 04 15:56:07 it should be there by default if you place it in a scrim & use the right css classes. see uiwidgets or stylematters code May 04 16:00:46 haeffb_pre: in uiwidgets.. wich one? the spinner there is not really placed.. May 04 16:00:57 in a scrim you just put the spinner in - the wrapper has it centered May 04 16:00:59 and stylematters code? where is that May 04 16:01:11 ?? don't know anything about scrim.. May 04 16:03:00 I need to try working with a scrim someday. May 04 16:05:04 http://pastie.org/945365 May 04 16:05:10 put that in ur html May 04 16:05:36 then use this.controller.get('Scrim').hide() May 04 16:05:37 in your setup May 04 16:05:52 then .show() when you want it to popup May 04 16:06:31 & then put all that on webos101... May 04 16:06:43 (you're welcome, roy) May 04 16:06:45 kuralou I'll do what I can. we're having some issues with the app catalog today, that might complicate my life. May 04 16:10:13 morning May 04 16:10:46 swiss May 04 16:22:24 scrim scrimney, scrim scrimney, scrimscrimscaroo May 04 16:23:19 scriiiiiimms loooooooove yooouuuuuu May 04 16:29:25 Anyone know if we can get the download count from the app catalog May 04 16:29:31 I hate the changes palm made May 04 16:30:01 the catalog be having issues now, and its just like 3 days off for paid. In any event, couldn't you roll your own? May 04 16:30:01 They should have just added a column to the my apps page, downloads, and completed transactions May 04 16:30:15 if I had a server setu May 04 16:30:17 setup May 04 16:30:33 Servers are like... 60 bucks a year May 04 16:31:02 yeah and thats not something I want to pay for a download count May 04 16:31:12 most likely I would just launch a tomcat server May 04 16:31:17 and mysql May 04 16:34:02 CTLAdvance: it's not ready to roll yet, but I am working on a service for devs that will let you (at least) have a unique endpoint count for your app(s) May 04 16:34:28 of course, it will require an app update, so unless it's a brand new app, the numbers would/will be off May 04 16:34:49 I need to get off my ass and add the opt-out functionality to appease the security-paranoid May 04 16:35:36 just add a function to check a pre-defined cookie and let the app writers take care of the opt out scene May 04 16:35:49 that's basically going to be it May 04 16:36:18 but, I am going to go ahead an wipe out traces to the endpoint no matter which apps they have....assume if they want to opt out, they want to opt out of all of them May 04 16:37:51 yeah... that sounds good May 04 16:38:23 I wrote up my new server ping api, but haven't had time to implement it yet May 04 16:38:31 I am thinking to launch a server this week, and then just have it post an id and timestamp the app was loaded. thenI can trend usage May 04 16:38:41 and also get a unique number May 04 16:39:19 I get launches, unique devices, carrier, device May 04 16:59:19 halfhalo: I know this is super late, but you can get much much MUCH cheaper hosting than 60/yr. May 04 16:59:38 Not with the stability I need May 04 16:59:41 Or the space May 04 16:59:46 or the bandwidth May 04 16:59:47 well, if you just want download counts, like CTL was saying :) May 04 16:59:51 or the two domain names May 04 17:01:28 has anyone used a webview to render local markup May 04 17:02:20 * oilsworkn hasnt May 04 17:03:09 the docs say "as long as you can define the source as a url it can be applied" but - really have no idea how to define markup as a url, so i'm rather confused May 04 17:36:20 what is a good site/irc channel to get information on getting started with the PDK? May 04 17:36:40 i have a burning desire to write a keepass app for my phone. May 04 17:44:40 cobalt027: I think there are a few of us here using the PDK, if you have specific questions we can probably help out. May 04 17:53:10 x-mojo-loc='' <------ no clue what this means May 04 17:58:14 * oilsworkn bets it does something cool? May 04 17:59:19 hehe May 04 17:59:36 * oilsworkn has never seen it before, or if he has, forgot about it May 04 17:59:57 i've seen it lots o places - even have it in some of my script May 04 18:00:08 but that's because my copy/paste skillz are legendary May 04 18:00:18 haha May 04 18:03:08 Robdor: well, i have no specific questions. I just havent ever done anything with it. May 04 18:08:13 cobalt027: The Palm developer center is the best way to start. Beyond the few Palm specific things it is pretty generic c or c++ coding using whatever libraries you need. May 04 18:08:40 BigBiff_: thanks for your scrim example.. work... May 04 18:08:51 hey if i have 7000 downloads in a week May 04 18:08:57 is it still possible for me to win the contest? May 04 18:09:03 my app was released for only 1 week May 04 18:09:16 what i want to do is write a keepass app. i would only need the c stuff for the decryption libraries. Is it possible to do a 2 sided app? like regular SDK for the UI, and PDK for the heavy lifting? May 04 18:09:16 BigBiff_: the scrim, can the position be changed? normaly it will be centered ricght? May 04 18:09:19 right ^ May 04 18:10:03 cobalt027: Yep, it's possible. There is an example of combining the two here: http://github.com/palm/pdk-samples May 04 18:10:14 oh, nice May 04 18:10:14 thanks May 04 18:11:53 I've been using the PDK to develop a game, so I haven't dealt with mixing mojo and the PDK. There is a thread or two in the Palm developer forums about it that may give more details. May 04 18:12:11 ok, ill try to track them down May 04 18:12:12 thanks May 04 18:13:31 I've been meaning to give it a try though, I've compiled ruby to run on the device and I wanted to see if I could manage to get mojo talking to ruby through the PDK. May 04 18:19:14 how's folks today? May 04 18:19:46 not bad, yourself? May 04 18:20:54 is app store down? May 04 18:21:15 most likely May 04 18:24:20 Hangin' in there. May 04 18:27:51 like the cat-hanging-on-rope poster? May 04 18:37:56 Yep May 04 18:49:42 how can i use the default icons from the SDK, eg the web-32x32.png May 04 18:51:41 ok im back May 04 18:54:56 BigBiff: yeah, if you ever figure out what x-mojo-loc does, put it on webos101 and be a legend May 04 18:56:56 noaXess: Well, there's this: http://webos101.com/Menu_Icons But I think you mean something else. May 04 18:57:57 hey... so if i have average 1000 downloads a day May 04 18:58:00 am i likely to win? May 04 18:58:16 just top 200 May 04 18:59:57 noaXess: Here's the answer: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=24250#p24250 May 04 18:59:58 Roy-Pre101: hm.. them i know.. but i mean eg. the email png or web png to to place in front of eg. a link.. there a defaults.. May 04 19:00:12 Could you please create a page on webos101.com and document that? May 04 19:00:36 The list of icons you can use is located in the refcode directory. May 04 19:00:41 of the SDK install. May 04 19:00:53 Can use anything except icons with other company's logo's/names. May 04 19:01:59 Roy-Pre101: are you the maintainer of webos101.com? May 04 19:02:05 yes May 04 19:02:13 lies May 04 19:02:18 aha ;). May 04 19:02:23 halfhalo: who? May 04 19:02:30 exactly May 04 19:04:23 ?? May 04 19:04:41 is there no easier way to include a default icon/pic from the SDK? May 04 19:05:01 What's so difficult about: '/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/'+Mojo.Environment.build+'/images/appsupport/calendar-32x32.png' May 04 19:06:00 Roy-Pre101: .. you're right :) nothing.. May 04 19:06:42 Roy-Pre101: i need to use that code in the assistnat right?.. can't use it in json May 04 19:07:08 Correct. May 04 19:07:19 Well, not easily use it in json. May 04 19:07:29 If it's too difficult, you could always copy it out and into your app May 04 19:07:45 Roy-Pre101: thats the other way.. yes.. May 04 19:08:09 They're in the share/refcode/framework/338/images/appsupport directory May 04 19:08:13 and then just use it in the view May 04 19:08:18 At least, some are. May 04 19:08:23 i know.. May 04 19:08:31 browsing there a while :).. May 04 19:15:10 So, will you write something up on that, noaXess? May 04 19:15:34 about the icon/images? May 04 19:15:38 yep May 04 19:16:40 need first complete my code.. after.. i try to explain how to use the default icons with /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/'+Mojo.Environment.build+'/images/appsupport/???.png May 04 20:04:26 Is there a keyboard command to change orientation in the emulator? May 04 20:06:45 i think it's f6-f10 May 04 20:09:53 Yep that worked. Thanks dpivs! May 04 20:10:00 no prob May 04 20:10:20 noaXess: did u get your scrim uncentered? May 04 20:10:32 'scrim' - sounds dirty May 04 20:10:40 should be banned on irc May 04 20:10:46 BigBiff: i got it.. May 04 20:11:33 you should start using my css framework - works great May 04 20:11:56 .scrim {stopDefaultStuff; doWhatIWand:true; May 04 20:13:59 noaXess: Please document the scrim stuff on webos101.com, too! May 04 20:14:16 BigBiff: You have to use a wand to get it to work? May 04 20:14:27 my wand works great May 04 20:14:50 but my scrim, not so much May 04 20:15:00 *rimshot* May 04 20:15:25 what a terrible word - scrim May 04 20:20:27 why are you talking about scrims and not your inkydink? May 04 20:32:38 whats about the webchannel appid information page of palm: http://developer.palm.com/webChannel May 04 20:32:40 is it broken? May 04 21:13:41 What is the most reliable way to set up an imageView to be setup in fullscreen and have it maximized at both landscape and portrait? May 04 21:16:55 chuqui: Halloo May 04 21:16:59 Adora: Hello May 04 21:17:14 heloooo!!!!!!!!!! May 04 21:17:15 catalystmedia: http://webos101.com/wiki/index.php?title=ImageView&action=edit&redlink=1 is empty. Feel free to document it when you find out May 04 21:17:32 Ola que tal como estas May 04 21:17:48 Thanks Roy-Pre101 once I do I'll write what I find :) May 04 21:17:49 I have literally just woken up from a nap May 04 21:17:52 be gentle =] May 04 21:18:22 Adora: Of course! Great photos by the way. It was a blast see you again! May 04 21:18:34 err... blast to see you again. May 04 21:18:44 chuqui: And a pleasure to finally meet you, sir. May 04 21:18:53 roy: glad you enjoyed them May 04 21:18:59 yours came out particularly well May 04 21:20:02 roy, had a ball meeting you (adn everyone else...); thanks for being there. May 04 21:25:04 morning all! what a fine day it is today in webOS land :) May 04 21:25:15 haha May 04 21:25:29 Roy-Pre101: I didn't realise you were such a handsome young man. Just say Adora's flicker stream. May 04 21:25:30 forgot the /sarcasm tag there May 04 21:25:32 chuqui: Your pictures were great, too. Just none of me that I saw. May 04 21:25:39 s/say/saw/ May 04 21:26:19 rwhitby: Good genes. Avanced years don't show. May 04 21:26:30 so is caj suing precentral too? May 04 21:26:40 yeah May 04 21:26:49 all his posts tehre went byby as well May 04 21:26:54 well... "sueing" May 04 21:26:58 Dnagit May 04 21:27:13 HAHA! ... suing. and dangit. May 04 21:27:20 Tibfib: there is no formal action as of yet. just a verbal threat of such. May 04 21:27:36 rwhitby: Seriously? May 04 21:28:03 hah, what is he basing his case on? May 04 21:28:08 Roy-Pre101: yes, I seriously think you're a handsome bloke ;) May 04 21:28:10 * halfhalo votes to get the eff up in here May 04 21:28:28 rwhitby: :D May 04 21:29:03 rwhitby: link... to the pics of course :) May 04 21:45:49 Hi Chuqi!!! Hi Adora!!! May 04 21:45:59 I just sent you guys an interesting email..... May 04 21:47:05 Full Binary pdk Pre-Chess is up and running out of the git repository... May 04 21:47:23 Mathias has done a heck of a job!!! May 04 21:47:45 rwhitby did you see it? May 04 21:48:01 Rick_work: oh, no, haven't seen it. May 04 21:48:08 Very very cool. May 04 21:50:56 prechess screenshot http://leberbach.de/prechesspdk/chess_2010-04-05_154134.png May 04 21:52:52 w/better ai? May 04 21:53:14 currently two ai's stockfish and glaurung. May 04 21:53:20 binary ai's. May 04 21:53:44 assuming you've installed the pdk libraries, you can get an ipk at http://leberbach.de/prechesspdk/com.vocshopgames.chess_0.0.5_all.ipk May 04 21:53:49 mojo+plugin = will be the best apps May 04 21:53:54 nodnod May 04 21:54:39 Rick_work: don't see any commits in the repo - did he "git push" ? May 04 21:54:56 He didn't... he said it would git push it tommorow. May 04 21:55:05 I'll remind him. May 04 21:55:48 no worries. May 04 21:57:15 Rick_work: I would say the two unlabeled toggles at the bottom are bad UI May 04 21:57:37 I agree. but this is his first draft. May 04 21:57:41 A togglebutton would be better, probably. May 04 21:57:48 those toggles need to go onto a prefs page i think. May 04 21:57:54 Looks nice otherwise. May 04 21:58:43 well, there's a pixi problem. The info-bar at the top is a problem too.... it needs to be scrollable, and the info bar needs to move down. May 04 21:58:55 pretty minor tho. May 04 22:00:04 Sounds like you've got a hand on it. May 04 22:00:23 * Adora can't help but notice that rick's application has a back button May 04 22:01:31 Adora can explain what word she would like on that button to imply that one should take back a move. Since it isn't a PAGE BACK button, one wonders what label Adora would have suggested in her role as the queen of Apps. May 04 22:01:49 lol May 04 22:01:49 how about undo? May 04 22:01:55 * oilsworkn agrees May 04 22:02:15 okeyy dokey - undo it is. May 04 22:04:44 Rick_work: another idea, and this'll help clean up your UI a lot May 04 22:05:01 listening May 04 22:05:18 is do like ancient frog and have back gesture across the middle of the screen be your undo May 04 22:06:27 then whatever those toggles do, move those to a preferences page May 04 22:06:40 toggles planned to mvoe to a preferences page. May 04 22:06:50 Backswipe -- roger -- good idea. May 04 22:06:58 completely clear out the area under the board May 04 22:07:29 * oilsworkn knows who to takes his apps to for ideas now May 04 22:07:44 +! May 04 22:07:48 .... +1 May 04 22:08:31 anything I can do to help make apps better =] May 04 22:09:42 I could give so much more feedback, but we only enforce a few "mandatory minimums" May 04 22:09:49 chuqui or anyone: Is md5 considered encryption per Palm's app submittal process? May 04 22:10:09 +1000 to that question. What about base64? May 04 22:10:12 but if you ASK, well... May 04 22:10:34 Adora: what can I do to make Done! look better? May 04 22:11:12 haeffb: pre only? May 04 22:11:26 pre/pixi/HPTablet May 04 22:11:41 * Adora scrambles for the right device May 04 22:12:09 grr May 04 22:12:11 link? May 04 22:12:25 http://uploads.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/done-toodledo May 04 22:12:42 hmmm... the online app links are down May 04 22:13:07 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.tibfib.countdown doens't work anymore May 04 22:13:32 haeffb: oh, so it's only homebrew? no wonder I couldn't find it, ehhehe May 04 22:13:39 so far. May 04 22:14:05 will be submitting shortly... (where shortly is defined as "when I get enough time to finish it") May 04 22:15:13 & I know it doesn't currently meet guidelines re: App Menu, Help, & such... May 04 22:15:26 Adora: you're just going to the wrong app first to search for thing ;) May 04 22:15:42 rwhitby: tbththth May 04 22:16:23 rwhitby: have you discussed with Metaview his theory that Preware causes random luna restarts? May 04 22:16:44 Adora: BTW, new Preware installs from now on will have app catalog large feed disabled by default, and only have the web, beta and app-updates feeds enabled by default May 04 22:17:03 haeffb: yep, I've asked him to test Preware Alpha which has a C service instead of a Java service. May 04 22:17:48 rwhitby: have you seen the ipkg service somehow causing the app services to quit? May 04 22:17:58 since he mentioned it in Twitter, I've been paying attention & I'm seeing luna restarts only following preware. May 04 22:18:07 that rescan weirdness makes me sad May 04 22:18:37 rwhitby: every time I install something, all the phone, messaging, email, etc. services quit. May 04 22:18:55 Tibfib: yep, that's the rescan weirdness May 04 22:19:23 * oilsworkn thinks there is another call to accomplish what we want and not what we dont want May 04 22:19:37 Tibfib: we call an undocumented Palm service, and that is the result. We can't blame Palm of course because it's an undocumented service and we're likely using it in ways it was not designed for. May 04 22:20:05 ah, I see. Is is the same service as the catalog? May 04 22:20:05 oilsworkn: which call? let's get it in alpha to test. May 04 22:20:07 haeffb I would say no. but I'll need to check to be sure. send me email. May 04 22:20:19 base64 is definitely not encryption, it's encoding. May 04 22:20:38 idk what call May 04 22:20:41 i just think there is another one May 04 22:20:43 Tibfib: if you can alpha test Preware Alpha and let me know if that fixes the problem, I would very much appreciate it May 04 22:20:47 now that rescan kills phone/email/etc May 04 22:20:52 you can use md5 hash May 04 22:20:53 theres got to be one that JUST updates the launcher May 04 22:20:57 haeffb: this actually looks pretty good, nothing immediately comes to mind May 04 22:21:15