**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 05 02:59:56 2010
May 05 03:00:01 <BigBiff> if i tap quickly - no highlight - yet the tapHandler fires
May 05 03:00:25 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb: Document it!
May 05 03:00:26 <BigBiff> x-mojo-highlight='momentary' or 'delayed' /// nothing fixes it
May 05 03:00:48 <BigBiff> really strange
May 05 03:03:52 <LoneStar99> BigBiff:  is it suppose to fire 2 ajax requests?
May 05 03:04:25 <BigBiff> yes - 2 different urls, but i have it in a string - one finishes, oncomplete it sends the next
May 05 03:04:55 <BigBiff> if i tap/hold - it highlights
May 05 03:05:07 <BigBiff> then onmouseup the taphandler fires like it should
May 05 03:05:51 <LoneStar99> the problem is with the lack of highlighting?
May 05 03:07:08 <LoneStar99> for any gamers out there a great deal: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
May 05 03:07:44 <BigBiff> ya, like i said, its a small deal - i just cant figure it out
May 05 03:08:54 <LoneStar99> have you tried tinkering with CSS?
May 05 03:14:13 <BigBiff> i'd like to be able to see the styling change somehow in the logging
May 05 03:14:30 <BigBiff> to figure out when .selected is being called
May 05 03:21:14 <Roy-Pre101> huh... engadget is redirecting to tvsquad.com for me.
May 05 03:21:19 <Roy-Pre101> Incorrectly, even
May 05 03:21:25 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone else having problems?
May 05 03:21:42 <halfhalo> Yup
May 05 03:21:45 <halfhalo> Same
May 05 03:23:05 <halfhalo> I hate this router
May 05 03:23:22 <halfhalo> Theres like 18 different hardware revisions and I get the one not supported by DD-WRT
May 05 03:23:54 <Tibfib> engadet is redirecting here too
May 05 03:24:09 <LoneStar99> yeah hacked
May 05 03:24:32 <halfhalo> You lose one internets for that hacked comment
May 05 03:24:32 <Tibfib> now neither are working... hmmm
May 05 03:25:55 <LoneStar99> tvsquad.com is owned by AOL
May 05 03:26:05 <halfhalo> as is engadget
May 05 03:26:12 <halfhalo> and all its sister sites
May 05 03:26:22 <halfhalo> including autoblog, which I heart
May 05 03:26:48 <LoneStar99> so i guess no hack, just jacked up
May 05 03:27:41 <halfhalo> Hacking is so 1999
May 05 03:28:08 <LoneStar99> lol
May 05 03:29:24 <BigBiff> ahh, i figured out my issue
May 05 03:31:08 <LoneStar99> 1999 such as this website: http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/
May 05 03:31:08 <BigBiff> i was calling noticeUpdatedItems before the ajax request - to activate the spinner in the row
May 05 03:31:38 <BigBiff> .selected wasnt getting a chance to do its thing before the list rendered
May 05 03:31:48 <BigBiff> interesting
May 05 03:32:13 <LoneStar99> BigBiff: makes sense
May 05 03:32:24 <BigBiff> just seems like the framework would make the class change before handling the tap
May 05 03:32:36 <BigBiff> o well, problem fixed
May 05 03:33:28 <LoneStar99> got to get coding myself, been slacking off for 2 days now
May 05 03:36:13 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: what an amazing site. thanks for the link
May 05 03:37:57 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  one of those sites you never forget!
May 05 03:39:22 <LoneStar99> glad peter pan found himself a lady
May 05 03:42:35 <halfhalo> oh god
May 05 03:42:43 <halfhalo> I don't want to use stock fw
May 05 03:42:49 <halfhalo> Really really really dont
May 05 03:47:10 <LoneStar99> what is "stock mfw"?
May 05 03:47:14 <LoneStar99> sorry fw
May 05 03:47:34 <halfhalo> The firmware the router came with
May 05 03:48:06 <LoneStar99> oh ok
May 05 03:49:01 <halfhalo> ffffff
May 05 03:49:07 <halfhalo> have to...
May 05 03:50:48 <LoneStar99> what brand of router is it?
May 05 03:50:54 <LoneStar99> linksys?
May 05 03:51:39 <halfhalo> No, unfortunatly
May 05 03:51:48 <halfhalo> its a DLINK DIR-615 Rev E1
May 05 03:52:01 <halfhalo> Which is like the 18th HW revision of the model
May 05 03:52:08 <halfhalo> and the only one not supported by DD-WRT
May 05 03:52:25 <halfhalo> which sucks epicly since I wanted it to replace the WRT-300N I have
May 05 03:54:09 <LoneStar99> i like dlink, never did have problems with them in the past, linksys on the other hand sells all sorts of lackluster products
May 05 03:54:28 <halfhalo> Never had a problem with linksys besides the wrt-300n
May 05 03:54:39 <halfhalo> the wrt-600n runs like a champ though
May 05 03:55:40 <halfhalo> Ohhh…. idea
May 05 03:56:02 <halfhalo> Replace wrt-600n with new router which does not need dd-wrt on it and move that into my room
May 05 03:57:54 <LoneStar99> have a linksys router, linksys access point, and linksys range expander
May 05 03:59:19 <LoneStar99> disconnected the "expanders" cuss they interfere with the access point, so have to use the wi-fi with one bar
May 05 03:59:42 <halfhalo> Heh, thats why I wanted the dlink to use as a repeater
May 05 04:02:02 <LoneStar99> halfhalo: you have a dlink router and dlink expander?
May 05 04:02:20 <halfhalo> No
May 05 04:02:35 <halfhalo> Main router is a linksys WRT-600N running dd-wrt
May 05 04:02:54 <halfhalo> repeater is a repurposed linksys WRT-300N running dd-wrt
May 05 04:03:34 <halfhalo> I wanted this to also be running dd-wrt and take the place of the linksys wrt-300n since this has dual band radios while that one does not, and that one has gigabit ports
May 05 04:06:14 <LoneStar99> oh i see
May 05 04:06:24 <halfhalo> Yeah
May 05 04:06:36 <halfhalo> Never liked premade expanders
May 05 04:06:41 <halfhalo> never worked right for me
May 05 04:06:48 <halfhalo> but dd-wrt repeaters be awesome
May 05 04:08:57 <LoneStar99> same here have tried different linksys expanders in different homes, and never did work properly
May 05 05:10:08 <Roy-Pre101> noaXess: Don't forget to document that stuff!
May 05 05:52:42 <noaXess> Roy-Pre101: good morning :) stil awake?
May 05 05:54:37 <noaXess> haeffb: thanks for your tip: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2449&p=28676#p28676
May 05 06:10:36 <frankos72> good evening
May 05 09:10:14 <noaXess> hey frankos72..
May 05 09:10:38 <noaXess> why are some usernames cursive?
May 05 11:24:22 <joetweeply> yay my app has been published
May 05 12:11:59 <Roy-Pre101> joetweeply: Gratz!
May 05 12:16:52 <joetweeply> thx
May 05 12:30:50 <BigBiff> morning webosiers
May 05 13:02:06 <Roy-Pre101> BigBiff: Morning
May 05 13:03:56 <Roy-Pre101> No one added: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2449&p=28676#p28676 to WebView.  I'll do that now.
May 05 13:30:57 <CTLAdvance> why is doin still making apps?
May 05 13:31:10 <CTLAdvance> all of them are 1 star or less
May 05 13:31:12 <CTLAdvance> oy
May 05 13:31:28 <CTLAdvance> Good day everyone
May 05 13:40:37 <rwhitby> hey CTLAdvance
May 05 13:40:57 <rwhitby> I wondered if you wanted to do a bobble head of the WebOS Internals Tux logo
May 05 13:41:50 <Rick_work> OOOOOO  that would be fun.
May 05 13:48:56 <Roy-Pre101> Rick_work: For how long?
May 05 13:49:25 <Rick_work> oh,  30 to 90 seconds once or twice a week for a month or so, then once a month for a long time.
May 05 13:49:53 <Rick_work> I'm easly amused.
May 05 13:54:15 <CTLAdvance> Send me the image
May 05 13:55:18 <CTLAdvance> rwhitby send me the logo, hopefully you have a good size image. CTLAdvance@live.com
May 05 14:01:37 <rwhitby> Rick_work: can you send CTLAdvance the graphics we got from Jen's better half?
May 05 14:16:11 <Rick_work> yes rwhitby i can
May 05 14:16:19 <rwhitby> thx
May 05 14:39:49 <haeffb_pre> dammit, Roy-Pre101  why do you always have to do everything yourself?!?!
May 05 14:46:53 <ewozniak> Is anyone from Palm here who could help me with changing my app's title?
May 05 14:50:02 <haeffb_pre> hi ethan... :) congrats on getting in the catalog.
May 05 14:50:15 <codeslaw> hallo
May 05 14:51:42 <codeslaw> how were dev days?
May 05 14:54:00 <ewozniak> :-)  Thanks Bryan
May 05 14:54:57 <codeslaw> anyone here digging deep in the pdk yet
May 05 14:55:45 <haeffb_pre> codeslaw: hows it going? I am not...
May 05 14:55:54 <codeslaw> not bad you?
May 05 14:56:09 <codeslaw> i'm about to start myself, gonna port the painting engine to SDL for paid version
May 05 15:02:07 <haeffb_pre> i'm sad because i've been beaten to market by ewozniak ..
May 05 15:02:22 <codeslaw> which market?
May 05 15:03:02 <haeffb_pre> app catalog...tasks app to sync with Toodledo.com
May 05 15:03:38 <haeffb_pre> i'm not really sad. I think competition is good.
May 05 15:06:16 <haeffb_pre> ewozniak:  email chuq@palm.com about your app title issue.
May 05 15:06:40 <Rick_work> wonderful
May 05 15:07:24 <codeslaw> never tried toodledo.com
May 05 15:07:49 <codeslaw> the real question is... whose app is prettier?
May 05 15:08:04 <ewozniak> That's an easy one to answer.
May 05 15:08:09 <ewozniak> (not mine)
May 05 15:09:22 <haeffb_pre> codeslaw: toodledo is actually kinda blah.
May 05 15:09:35 <haeffb_pre> but it is very flexible.
May 05 15:09:46 <codeslaw> cool
May 05 15:10:17 <haeffb_pre> and has a good API for mobile sync
May 05 15:10:41 <codeslaw> sweet
May 05 15:23:59 <haeffb_pre> ewozniak:  there's chuqui...
May 05 15:24:23 <chuqui> (uh, oh)
May 05 15:26:06 <haeffb_pre> that's never a good sign, eh?
May 05 15:47:17 <codeslaw> chuqui: any timeline on the next PDK beta release?
May 05 15:48:05 <chuqui> codeslaw nothing I can talk about yet... stuff's being worked on, tho.
May 05 15:48:56 <codeslaw> can you say whether it would be part of the private early release program, if someone is signed up for that?
May 05 16:11:49 <Rick_work> codeslaw  it has always been palm's policy that people who are signed up for the OS and SDK beta programs get access to the pre-release so that they can have wide testing.   I can see no reason that policy would have magically changed in the last few weeks.  :)
May 05 16:12:59 <Rick_work> Chuqi -- how you doing today?  This still as hecktic as ever?
May 05 16:13:14 <codeslaw> Rick_work: of course, i just wasn't sure if for the PDK there might be a seperate program, or things would work differently, also since the PDK is still pre-release for everyone
May 05 16:17:38 <haeffb_pre> if I'm not mistaken, there are separate pre-release programs for SDK & PDK
May 05 16:45:54 <BigBiff> anyone know if there's a default timeout for gps request?
May 05 16:46:05 <BigBiff> or is that set-up manually
May 05 17:08:51 * pandora-- waves
May 05 17:13:39 * haeffb_pre salutes
May 05 17:13:55 <LoneStar99> good afternoon all
May 05 17:24:12 <haeffb_pre> yep
May 05 17:24:35 <Nyceane> hey
May 05 17:24:41 <Nyceane> can you promote other apps in your app?
May 05 17:25:48 <gkatsev> Nyceane: i dont see why not
May 05 17:25:54 <Nyceane> ok
May 05 17:26:04 <Nyceane> thanks, i m just wondering
May 05 17:26:18 <Nyceane> cuz its all free apps, i m just gona put a menu to lead them to download another app
May 05 17:31:53 <cobalt027> stupid question. I just used webosdoctor to wipe my phone. Does that erase all personal data?
May 05 17:32:20 <cobalt027> the phone rebooted, and is going thru the activation screens, so i think i wiped it completled, but just wanted to be sure.
May 05 17:32:23 <Nyceane> hey,  how do I get sound off emulator?
May 05 17:32:34 <cobalt027> Nyceane: the emulator doesnt support sound.
May 05 17:32:40 <Nyceane> oh =_=
May 05 17:33:04 <CTLAdvance> Anyone have trouble with the emulator loading?
May 05 17:33:08 <CTLAdvance> mine just hangs at a black window
May 05 17:33:45 <Nyceane> hmmm, so is there anyway to test the sound without a palm pre?
May 05 17:33:58 <cobalt027> Nyceane: not that im aware of.
May 05 17:34:06 <Nyceane> that sucks
May 05 17:34:07 <pandora--> Nyceane: use a pixi!
May 05 17:34:13 <pandora--> :P
May 05 17:34:18 <Nyceane> i actually like pixi
May 05 17:34:23 <CTLAdvance> add to beta feed, have someone test
May 05 17:34:45 <cobalt027> Nyceane: you could ask someone to test and send them the ipk.
May 05 17:34:51 <Nyceane> how do i install it to the phone?
May 05 17:35:01 <Nyceane> yah, i m gona borrow somebody's phone
May 05 17:35:04 <cobalt027> can someone confirm that webosdoctor restore will clear all personal data?
May 05 17:35:04 <pandora--> palm-install <app>.ipk
May 05 17:35:12 <pandora--> with hte phone plugged into usb
May 05 17:35:53 <CTLAdvance> palm-install *appname_* works well, and you save some typing
May 05 17:45:24 <sugardave> so, what's going on in the big bad webOS world these days?
May 05 17:46:32 <cobalt027> can someone confirm that webosdoctor restore will clear all personal data?
May 05 17:51:58 <Robdor> cobalt027: A quick Google search says yes.
May 05 17:52:51 <cobalt027> Robdor: thanks. i was hoping someone here had a definitive answer.
May 05 17:53:20 <Robdor> cobalt027: http://www.precentral.net/how-add-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes  look under the heading "Stuck Patches"
May 05 17:53:54 <cobalt027> hawt
May 05 17:53:55 <cobalt027> thanks
May 05 17:54:39 <cobalt027> i had to swap out my phone (power button didnt "pop" anymore) and before i mail the old one back, i want to make sure all my data is gone.
May 05 17:57:01 <CTLAdvance> cobalt
May 05 17:57:08 <CTLAdvance> a ton of stuff still stays on the device
May 05 17:57:19 <CTLAdvance> like anything stored on the usb portion
May 05 17:57:47 <CTLAdvance> which I find odd
May 05 17:57:52 <CTLAdvance> it never used to
May 05 17:59:36 <cobalt027> CTLAdvance: but text messages and contacts and emails are wiped, yes?
May 05 17:59:52 <cobalt027> i dont care if sprint gets my music. :)
May 05 18:00:18 <cobalt027> I would check this myself, but then i would have to login to my profile, and that seems counter-productive.
May 05 18:03:36 <CTLAdvance> yes
May 05 18:03:45 <CTLAdvance> all thats gone
May 05 18:04:54 <CTLAdvance> when your profile is removed from it, everything is erased
May 05 18:07:41 <haeffb_pre> under device info you can do a complete wipe
May 05 18:08:12 <haeffb_pre> incl usb
May 05 18:10:24 <cobalt027> id have to log back into my profile in order to be able to seclect that
May 05 18:26:52 <MetaView> hi
May 05 18:26:57 <MetaView>  error: Uncaught Error: INDEX_SIZE_ERR: DOM Exception 1, app/controllers/day-assistant.js:781
May 05 18:26:59 <Roy-Pre101> MetaView: So you say.
May 05 18:27:05 <MetaView> I do :)
May 05 18:27:16 <MetaView> ctx.drawImage(this.imgAlarm, left+4+width-18, subjectTop+1, 12, 12);
May 05 18:27:22 <MetaView> this is the line of code
May 05 18:27:30 <MetaView> above it is the error
May 05 18:27:33 <MetaView>  any comments?
May 05 18:27:51 <Roy-Pre101> It's a gorgeous day outside.
May 05 18:28:03 <MetaView> well, here it's going away...
May 05 18:32:26 <LoneStar99> anyone know if UK folks can buy any app?
May 05 18:33:22 <Roy-Pre101> Any app set to the UK, I would think.
May 05 18:33:33 <MetaView> yes
May 05 18:33:52 <MetaView> and so are the other countries
May 05 18:52:25 <Nyceane> hey, how do you align an image to the middle?
May 05 18:54:00 <Roy-Pre101> <center><img ...></center> might work.
May 05 18:54:12 <Roy-Pre101> CSS also works.
May 05 18:54:13 <Nyceane> tx
May 05 18:54:20 <MetaView> works, but isn't the best way
May 05 18:54:25 <MetaView> CSS is better
May 05 18:54:28 <LoneStar99> so the US app catalog is not viewable by UK or othr countries
May 05 18:54:44 <MetaView> only Apps marked for the country
May 05 18:55:37 <LoneStar99> ok, thanks, trying to sort out the rss feeds by country
May 05 18:56:05 <MetaView> ok
May 05 19:10:25 <haeffb_pre> lemketron: why Airplane Mode in emu no workie?
May 05 19:14:08 <lemketron> no particular reason...
May 05 19:14:23 <lemketron> do you need it?
May 05 19:16:37 <haeffb_pre> for testing without connection
May 05 19:17:06 <lemketron> I'll file it as a request.
May 05 19:17:25 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb: You don't know how to pull the ethernet cable out of the back of your computer? :)
May 05 19:17:43 <lemketron> heh
May 05 19:17:44 <haeffb_pre> it's wifi
May 05 19:17:49 <haeffb_pre> :(
May 05 19:17:55 <lemketron> turn it off
May 05 19:18:06 <Roy-Pre101> lemketron: Had a really great time at the developer day!  Thanks for the lift!
May 05 19:18:16 <haeffb_pre> & I'd have to disconnect from irc
May 05 19:18:29 <lemketron> no problem.  I'm guessing it would've been even better if we had planned it to be a week later.  <grin>
May 05 19:19:54 <sugardave> vbox should have a nic manager
May 05 19:19:58 <sugardave> I think...
May 05 19:20:05 <sugardave> 'disconnected'
May 05 19:20:34 <sugardave> I know vmware does...haven't actually looked for it in vbox yet
May 05 19:20:43 <lemketron> it does, but you don't want to mess with that stuff
May 05 19:21:04 <lemketron> and besides, I suspect that's not quite the same (to a webOS app) as having the connection manager go into flight mode.
May 05 19:21:06 <sugardave> it doesn't have the handy 'disable/enable' thingie-ma-bob?
May 05 19:21:12 <sugardave> well, sure
May 05 19:21:14 <lemketron> anyway, I filed it as a feature request for the Connection Manager.
May 05 19:21:36 <lemketron> you could probably always do a "ifconfig eth0 down" but that would dump your novacom/ssh connection too.
May 05 19:22:07 <lemketron> so what we want is something that tells higher level (app stuff) that the connection is gone, without losing the underlying connection for novacom and ssh.
May 05 19:22:49 <sugardave> can you set connection manager properties?
May 05 19:22:53 <SimpsonTP> hi all
May 05 19:22:53 <sugardave> wifiAvailble = false
May 05 19:23:18 * sugardave doubts it.
May 05 19:25:27 <haeffb_pre> thanks lemketron
May 05 19:26:20 <CTLAdvance> I now have a webOS tablet
May 05 19:26:32 <sugardave> nice
May 05 19:26:57 <CTLAdvance> my hp tx series tablet with the vm works nice
May 05 19:27:23 <lemketron> heh
May 05 19:27:46 <CTLAdvance> I have to update my wacom drivers though
May 05 19:28:21 <Roy-Pre101> heh:  http://www.youtube.com/thebighonkin
May 05 19:30:36 <rkcr> I had a beginner question with webOS if anyone has a moment...
May 05 19:31:15 <CTLAdvance> omg that was funny
May 05 19:31:16 <rkcr> I'm looking through all these samples with the -assistant js files, but what do I do if I want to create a common .js file that multiple assistants can use?
May 05 19:32:18 <CTLAdvance> se we can adjust the resolution in the emulator correct?
May 05 19:32:51 <lemketron> This is hilarious (Darth Vader's voice for TomTom navigation):  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ljFfL-mL70
May 05 19:32:52 <haeffb_pre> rkcr: just add common.js to sources.json
May 05 19:33:24 <rkcr> haeffb_pre: Hmm I suspected as much, so sources.json loads all js for every scene basically?
May 05 19:33:44 <CTLAdvance> well yes and no
May 05 19:33:52 <CTLAdvance> you can also add it to index
May 05 19:34:25 <rkcr> Ah, true, yes.
May 05 19:34:27 <CTLAdvance> sorry my 2 posts ago is yes
May 05 19:34:28 <haeffb_pre> if you include scenes: xxxx it only loads the file for scene xxxx
May 05 19:35:01 <CTLAdvance> index and sources.json load it as a global function
May 05 19:35:12 <CTLAdvance> yep
May 05 19:35:27 <rkcr> Ah I see, thanks.
May 05 19:37:40 <figaroo> Hi
May 05 19:39:05 <figaroo> Is it realistic to think that I can create an app for the pre/pixi and make $xx,xxx without even owning an the phone?
May 05 19:39:42 <SimpsonTP> hi guys, I'm a Lotus Notes developer and I'm looking into creating a sync application for notes for the palm
May 05 19:40:41 <MetaView> SimpsonTP: would be great
May 05 19:40:59 <SimpsonTP> I know :P
May 05 19:40:59 <MetaView> my gf is using Lotus notes on work and a sync would be terrific
May 05 19:41:18 <SimpsonTP> I just wonder what beyond web based sync would be a option
May 05 19:41:45 <SimpsonTP> web based sync requires a Domino app, and more important the ability to access that from everywhere
May 05 19:41:47 <figaroo> Is what I said realistic?
May 05 19:42:31 <SimpsonTP> and larger companies probably don't like that idea to much
May 05 19:42:55 <SimpsonTP> is there a USB interface on the pre that one could access ?
May 05 19:43:02 <MetaView> round-abound
May 05 19:43:18 <bhuey> folks, what do I use to doctor a a verizon pre to 1.4.1.1 ?
May 05 19:43:35 <bhuey> folks, what do I use to doctor a verizon pre to 1.4.1.1 ? (typo)
May 05 19:44:12 <MetaView> SimpsonTP: there is USB, but I have no clue how to use it for local sync
May 05 19:44:13 <sugardave> figaroo: well, I have a phone AND the emulator and I've barely broken the $x,xxx.xx number
May 05 19:44:16 <sugardave> maybe
May 05 19:44:19 <sugardave> so....
May 05 19:44:40 <figaroo> sugardave, I see.
May 05 19:44:44 <MetaView> sugardave: without device it would be +400 more, or?
May 05 19:44:50 <figaroo> What kind of apps have you made sugardave?
May 05 19:44:58 <sugardave> MetaView: perhaps :D
May 05 19:45:29 <sugardave> figaroo: very simple ones, I have a game (Mind Master) and 2 entertainment/throwaway apps: Yule Log and BOFH Excuse Generator
May 05 19:45:41 <sugardave> plus, I haven't pushed an update to them since December, so they languish at the bottom of the list
May 05 19:45:48 <figaroo> Are twitter applications popular?
May 05 19:46:11 <sugardave> figaroo: I think so, I know there are already a handful of them
May 05 19:46:37 <sugardave> SimpsonTP: ow, Notes developer?  how can you live with yourself? :P
May 05 19:46:40 <figaroo> Yea there are already twitter apps for webos
May 05 19:47:02 <figaroo> but people might try another for a couple bucks right?
May 05 19:47:21 <CTLAdvance> if its good
May 05 19:47:24 <sugardave> figaroo: sure, especially if you can come up with a feature/differentiator that people like
May 05 19:47:26 <SimpsonTP> sugardave, by anoying people like you with my questions ?
May 05 19:47:41 <CTLAdvance> figaroo - you should try the ones we have
May 05 19:47:49 <CTLAdvance> your app will need to be different and be good
May 05 19:47:58 <sugardave> SimpsonTP: heh.  It's all good...I'm an IBMer, so I have a special hatred for Notes ;)
May 05 19:48:04 <CTLAdvance> we are working on something now even
May 05 19:48:19 <CTLAdvance> however dont expect to get rich, it might take a few tries
May 05 19:48:22 <figaroo> ctladvance, the ones what?
May 05 19:48:36 <SimpsonTP> sugardave, ;)
May 05 19:48:40 <CTLAdvance> the twitter apps we have
May 05 19:48:56 <CTLAdvance> we have tweed, which is top paid, and spaz which is free
May 05 19:49:04 <figaroo> Oh
May 05 19:49:12 <figaroo> Well I actually don't have a pre. :(
May 05 19:49:25 <MetaView> spaz needs some adjustments...
May 05 19:49:28 <CTLAdvance> we have one that will launch on the .99 - 1.49 price point
May 05 19:49:37 <CTLAdvance> so you have to just go for it
May 05 19:49:45 <figaroo> I'm looking for a way to get into development, make $, then buy pre, then continue development.
May 05 19:49:47 <sugardave> emu is acceptable to dev on, but you need to get it on a device before you release
May 05 19:49:57 <pandora--> figaroo: that's pretty much what i did
May 05 19:49:58 <MetaView> but it's open source and I will fiddle with it for sure in a couple of dayss
May 05 19:50:14 <sugardave> figaroo: you can probably find people here or at the dev forum that would help you with on-app testing
May 05 19:50:25 <SimpsonTP> sugardave, but it doesn't help me knowing that ;)
May 05 19:50:42 <figaroo> you mean people with the phone that can beta test for me?
May 05 19:50:55 <sugardave> SimpsonTP: that's true...I often wondered about Notes mail synch in webOS
May 05 19:51:01 <CTLAdvance> figaroo - come up with an awesome free app idea, maybe a game? and then use admob to deploy ads in the app. I made over 2000 on ads now
May 05 19:51:08 <sugardave> figaroo: yes, I see requests like that now and again
May 05 19:51:25 <SimpsonTP> sugardave, like I said the web way its not that hard
May 05 19:51:48 <figaroo> K
May 05 19:52:07 <figaroo> And during development I could use the emulator, or the Ares browser thing.
May 05 19:52:20 <figaroo> The emulator hardly runs on my old computer.
May 05 19:52:33 <sugardave> figaroo: you will need the emu for Ares to work, too
May 05 19:53:09 <figaroo> Well Ares has a run option to run in the browser
May 05 19:53:39 <sugardave> oh?  that's neat....I haven't looked at it in some months
May 05 19:53:52 <CTLAdvance> yes, but its not as good as device or emu
May 05 19:54:05 <CTLAdvance> things dont work the same
May 05 19:54:19 <CTLAdvance> best to test on device (you can use the beta feed to distribute the package)
May 05 19:54:21 <figaroo> like what?
May 05 19:54:56 <CTLAdvance> alot of things dont seem to for me
May 05 19:54:57 <SimpsonTP> so the PDK doesn't gime access to the USB part either ?
May 05 19:55:43 * sugardave knows nothing about the PDK.
May 05 20:00:02 <Rick_work> what access do you want to the usb?
May 05 20:01:21 <SimpsonTP> talking to a sync deamon on my desktop pc
May 05 20:06:01 <rkcr> Are there any good open source Palm apps one can take a look at for coding examples, beyond the samples?
May 05 20:06:01 <Rick_work> what sort of protocal?
May 05 20:06:21 <Rick_work> The built in apps are REALLY GOOD to take a look at
May 05 20:06:29 <rkcr> Rick_work: Can you get the source of those?
May 05 20:06:32 <Rick_work> email, calendar, etc.
May 05 20:06:34 <rkcr> I'd love to see the source on them.
May 05 20:06:41 <SimpsonTP> Rick_work, nothing yet
May 05 20:06:42 <rkcr> But I couldn't find them on my initial search, perhaps I am blind.  <_<
May 05 20:06:42 <Rick_work> the source of those is included in the SDK and is on every palm.
May 05 20:06:47 <rkcr> Lol, I'm stupid then.
May 05 20:07:03 <rkcr> That's pretty much exactly what I wanted to see, but I didn't think that was open.
May 05 20:07:20 <rkcr> Aha, found them in share/refcode, thanks.
May 05 20:07:27 <Rick_work> Palm strongly encourages you to use the facebook app as a good example of a complex palm program
May 05 20:07:34 <Rick_work> and it is on the palm repository at github
May 05 20:08:08 <rkcr> Alright, thanks.
May 05 20:08:22 <kmudrick> anyone know if it is possible to have a widget shared amongst scenes?
May 05 20:09:17 <SimpsonTP> Rick_work, but that talks over the web....
May 05 20:09:26 <kmudrick> i.e. declared in index.html, setup in the first scene assistant, and manipulated in any other scene assistant
May 05 20:09:29 <sugardave> kmudrick: I think so...describe what you want to do better?
May 05 20:09:33 <sugardave> yes
May 05 20:09:36 <SimpsonTP> Rick_work, that is the big problem with Notes Sync
May 05 20:09:37 <sugardave> that is possible
May 05 20:10:26 <sugardave> http://webos101.com/Extended_widgets
May 05 20:10:32 <sugardave> kmudrick: ^^^^
May 05 20:10:51 <sugardave> kmudrick: look at the part where the spinner widget is getting a new function (called func)
May 05 20:11:37 <kmudrick> sugardave: awesomeness, thanks much
May 05 20:11:37 <sugardave> it's the Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene() part that is most important
May 05 20:11:43 <sugardave> np
May 05 20:22:38 <CTLAdvance> rkcr - just note you cant get edited palm apps in the catalog. Maybe web distro and deff preware
May 05 20:23:31 <kmudrick> sugardave: hmm, doing Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene() now, but still get the ol' WARNING: modelChanged() found no watchers
May 05 20:23:35 <rkcr> Don't worry I've got a very specific project I'm working on, just trying to learn WebOS and I'm in that fun "oh fuck me how do I do everything" stage.
May 05 20:26:01 <sugardave> kmudrick: one thing about that example, it assumes you are defining your widgets globally
May 05 20:26:05 <joetweeply> i don't like this stage rkcr
May 05 20:26:15 <joetweeply> though it is exciting as soon as you are out of it
May 05 20:26:50 <sugardave> AND the model/attrs are handled in that widget object constructor....
May 05 20:27:07 <sugardave> so it may be a case of trying to do things the right way and my way conflicting
May 05 20:27:10 <rkcr> joetweeply: Yeah it's my least favorite part of every new language but once you're done you're all "I CAN TAKE ON THE WORLD"
May 05 20:27:11 <sugardave> :D
May 05 20:27:22 <joetweeply> yup
May 05 20:27:24 <rkcr> Though of course you've still got 5000 subtle nuances to learn about the platform.  :P
May 05 20:27:27 <joetweeply> that's where i started my game ^^
May 05 20:30:52 <kmudrick> sugardave: yeah, my model & attributes are indeed global, so i'm not sure what the problem is
May 05 20:46:54 <CTLAdvance> is Chuqui watching? I know hes logged on
May 05 20:47:08 * CTLAdvance puts up the CHUQUI signal / bird call
May 05 20:47:52 <joetweeply> is there a known way to determine ram usage of my app?
May 05 20:59:10 <chuqui> ping
May 05 20:59:19 <joetweeply> pong
May 05 21:06:54 <LoneStar99> not sure what to make of this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8662822.stm
May 05 21:08:18 <Nyceane> hey, how do i make image button?
May 05 21:08:25 <CTLAdvance> he will be murdered... eh sent to the gulog...
May 05 21:08:30 <CTLAdvance> jk of course
May 05 21:09:39 <LoneStar99> alien abduction....
May 05 21:09:56 <LoneStar99> Nyceane: with CSS
May 05 21:16:52 <pandora--> LoneStar99: lol
May 05 21:16:58 <pandora--> LoneStar99: that's great
May 05 21:19:15 <Nyceane> also, is there anyway to load up the app catalog?
May 05 21:19:31 <dthought> echo $$-
May 05 21:19:38 <dthought> echo $-
May 05 21:20:02 <Nyceane> huh?
May 05 21:25:07 <Nyceane> hey, question
May 05 21:26:20 <Nyceane> when you go through the website for palm application
May 05 21:26:30 <Nyceane> does it send you a txt msg for the link to download the app?
May 05 21:26:32 <Nyceane> or whats the story
May 05 21:26:58 <Tibfib> WIN: http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/05/barnes-noble-and-hp-join-forces-to-launch-specially-branded-online-bookstore/
May 05 21:27:08 <Tibfib> Nyceane: yep, sends a text
May 05 21:28:15 <Nyceane> is there anyway i can load that manually?
May 05 21:28:18 <Nyceane> like from palm itself
May 05 21:28:36 <Tibfib> load what manually? the link?
May 05 21:28:40 <Nyceane> yah
May 05 21:28:48 <Tibfib> oh yeah
May 05 21:28:56 <Nyceane> because i am opening up a browser to the link, it doesnt make sense
May 05 21:28:57 <Tibfib> webos101.com
May 05 21:29:10 <Tibfib> http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets#Open_up_the_App_Catalog_directly_to_your_app: to be exact
May 05 21:31:07 <Nyceane>   params: {'target': "http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.185vfx.paratrooper&applicationid=765"}
May 05 21:31:13 <Nyceane> I don't have applicationid
May 05 21:32:31 <Tibfib> what's your app url
May 05 21:32:43 <Nyceane> http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.pascharllc.fantasychat
May 05 21:32:46 <Tibfib> oh.... just skip the id
May 05 21:32:50 <Nyceane> ok
May 05 21:32:51 <Tibfib> not necessary
May 05 21:32:51 <Nyceane> thanks
May 05 21:36:45 <Nyceane> I am awesome =)
May 05 21:37:07 <Tibfib> you're welcome. :P
May 05 21:38:29 <Nyceane> thank you =)
May 05 21:38:49 <rwhitby> morning
May 05 21:39:59 <halfhalo> morning
May 05 21:46:22 <Tibfib> morning rwhitby
May 05 21:51:46 <CTLAdvance> rwhitby well have the internabobble ready later this week. Just have to setup the image and well have it on web distro
May 05 21:52:07 <rwhitby> CTLAdvance: awesome.
May 05 21:52:25 <rwhitby> CTLAdvance:  can you include a link to www.webos-internals.org and www.preware.org ?
May 05 21:53:59 <CTLAdvance> yes
May 05 21:54:15 <CTLAdvance> email the links so I dont forget, ill add them into the cmd menu
May 05 21:54:29 <CTLAdvance> I have to step out for now
May 05 21:56:30 <zsoc> anyone here speak italian? i need to know something it would be funny for an american to say
May 05 21:58:55 <CTLAdvance> http://www.microsofttranslator.com/default.aspx?ref=TThis
May 05 21:59:24 <rkcr> It would be pretty funny if you said the Italian national football team sucks.
May 05 22:00:08 <Tibfib> google.com/translate :P
May 05 22:00:25 <CTLAdvance> yes, but google will insert ad in translated text
May 05 22:00:28 <CTLAdvance> :P
May 05 22:00:34 <CTLAdvance> jk I hope
May 05 22:12:24 <EdLin> I am having problems with Google Maps on my Sprint Palm Pre, it claims I have no internet connection and won't display a map, even though I have a working wifi connection and EVDO doesn't work either.
May 05 22:12:52 <halfhalo> try toggling airplane mode
May 05 22:13:22 <Nyceane> hey, after you download the ipk file, how do you install it?
May 05 22:13:34 <halfhalo> palm-install filename
May 05 22:13:47 <Nyceane> where do i do that?
May 05 22:13:52 <halfhalo> computer
May 05 22:13:52 <Tibfib> cmd line
May 05 22:14:01 <Nyceane> no, i m talking about on the device
May 05 22:14:05 <Nyceane> unauthorized call to open an ipk
May 05 22:14:16 <Tibfib> ask internals
May 05 22:14:32 <EdLin> halfhalo: thanks, I should have thought of that.
May 05 22:14:41 <Nyceane> this suks, i m trying to do this for testing lol
May 05 22:14:42 <Nyceane> nvm
May 05 22:17:22 <joetweeply> EdLin wasn't there a known issue with google maps? i thought i read something about that on precentral
May 05 22:18:27 <Tibfib> for palm pre pluses
May 05 22:20:35 <pandora--> joetweeply: there's all kinds of problems with google maps
May 05 22:20:52 <pandora--> slow as hell, and the most barebones features of any GM app i've seen
May 05 22:21:01 <pandora--> it's a sad app
May 05 22:21:14 <joetweeply> well apart from the poor functionality i don't know
May 05 22:21:29 <joetweeply> i had to stop programming my app because of the lack of some features
May 05 22:23:23 <joetweeply> but now i really have to hit the sheets
May 05 22:23:25 <joetweeply> nightey all
May 05 22:35:38 <Nyceane> hey, it says palm device needs to be connected before launching
May 05 22:35:41 <Nyceane> what do i do?
May 05 22:37:04 <Nyceane> its already connected
May 05 22:37:14 <halfhalo> is devmode on?
May 05 22:39:51 <EdLin> pandora--: considering that a patch can enable functionality that Google didn't implement, such as lattitude, it's clear that Google is neglecting WebOS development on purpose. They also locked out the Palm Pre's unofficial Google Voice app.
May 05 22:40:28 <pandora--> EdLin: sadly true
May 05 22:41:12 <pandora--> the old j2me version even has streetview and street address search (addresses near me, etc) and all kinds of stuff
May 05 22:41:13 <EdLin> pandora--: Google is not really non-evil. ;-)
May 05 22:41:22 <pandora--> and you know, stuff like "favorites"
May 05 22:42:06 <pandora--> its cool, i use YPMobile for stuff pretty often
May 05 22:42:06 <sugardave> I blame Intrepidus
May 05 22:42:13 <pandora--> it's better in many ways, but doesn't do directions
May 05 22:42:37 <pandora--> and, googlemaps is hardcoded in the universal search. so, i kind of have to use it out of convenience
May 05 22:44:31 <EdLin> pandora--: there keep on being rumors of Apple moving to Bing instead of Google, I think Palm really should do that.... As much as Google is a better service, they really neglect Palm.
May 05 22:45:27 <Tibfib> what are people using to convert strings to hash (md5)?
May 05 22:45:35 <pandora--> EdLin: yeah, why not? if google isn't giving the love back, and bing wants nothing more than to take down google... I'm just an end user, and I want a better experience much more than /who/ provides it
May 05 22:45:37 <halfhalo> Pixie dust
May 05 22:46:30 <EdLin> pandora--: of course, bing is tied to a platform too, Windows Mobile, but WinMo in both it's new incarnation and it's old one is going to fail anyway, MS doesn't have anything to lose from pushing Bing on other platforms. :)
May 05 22:46:31 <Tibfib> heh... Anyone mind sharing their hash function with me?
May 05 22:46:54 <Tibfib> can't find one online
May 05 22:46:58 <EdLin> Tibfib: *nix distributions often have an MD5 checksum utility built-in
May 05 22:47:17 <pandora--> well that's not entirely true, they've been good about their api
May 05 22:47:45 <EdLin> Tibfib: OS X does also
May 05 22:47:50 <pandora--> YPMobile uses bing on webos
May 05 22:48:15 <Tibfib> I need it for webOS
May 05 22:48:18 <EdLin> yeah, but it's search function for local restaurants and atms etc suck
May 05 22:48:30 <pandora--> it's worked great for me
May 05 22:48:43 <pandora--> but i'm in a large metropolitan area (los angeles)
May 05 22:48:51 <EdLin> pandora--: maybe NYC just has too much stuff for them to put it all in. ;-)
May 05 22:48:57 <pandora--> hehe
May 05 22:48:59 <EdLin> I'm in Brooklyn
May 05 22:49:44 <pandora--> i dunno, i just searched ATM in ypmobile and got a good cluster of them around me on the map
May 05 22:50:05 <EdLin> pandora--: maybe there in AT&T-land it does better than here in Verizon-land.
May 05 22:50:23 <pandora--> <- sprintland
May 05 22:50:50 <EdLin> pandora--: I'm refering to the local yellow pages directories, not to the cell carrier.
May 05 22:50:56 * EdLin is also on Sprint
May 05 22:51:02 <pandora--> lol
May 05 22:51:04 <Tibfib> there is no open source md5 generating javascript function out there?
May 05 22:51:07 <pandora--> i forgot they had those things
May 05 22:51:15 <Tibfib> well.. .I'm sure there is... Anyone have one?
May 05 22:51:22 <pandora--> google does ;)
May 05 22:53:18 <EdLin> Tibfib: http://tinyurl.com/2drjxg3
May 05 22:53:44 <EdLin> pandora--: Google changed it's layout, now nobody on IRC knows how to use it. ;-)
May 05 22:54:07 * oil would have used lmgtfy
May 05 22:54:10 <Tibfib> EdLin: what the... couldn't find anything in my google search... thanks!
May 05 22:54:22 <Tibfib> oil: you should have. that was dumb.
May 05 22:54:55 * pandora-- nods
May 05 23:17:25 <Roy-Pre101> noaXess: C'mon, let's go edit webos101.com!
May 05 23:18:23 <oil> lol
May 05 23:39:46 <edektor> anybody know why a JS file of mine for my app would get loaded?
May 05 23:58:06 <VincentLaw> would or wouldnt?
May 05 23:58:49 <VincentLaw> if you meant wouldn't: check your sources.json if you're using that, and make sure the format of the file is PERFECT. Check commas especially.
May 06 00:56:44 <Nyceane> hey, how long does web publishing take?
May 06 01:05:02 <dawm_> Nyceane, about 2hrs~ for the app to be in the system
May 06 01:05:12 <dawm_> it drops into an automated queue
May 06 01:26:03 * haeffb fighting a FilterList that won't filter.
May 06 01:26:09 <EdLin> radioshack.com is having a sale on Palm accessories, they are no longer going to be carrying them, so prices are very low ($20 for a touchstone, $15 for a leather Palm Pre case)
May 06 01:29:27 * haeffb just ordered a couple. thanks.
May 06 01:29:33 <bpadalino> that is pretty cheap
May 06 01:29:56 <haeffb> filter field is not capturing key input.
May 06 01:30:47 <BigBiff_> haeffb: i've been putting off adding filter fields
May 06 01:31:00 <BigBiff_> filter lists rather
May 06 01:31:51 <haeffb> I've done it before, with pretty much the exact same code. Something about this scene is preventing it from working, though.
May 06 01:46:26 <BigBiff_> ok, so there's a small-button class in the global css - any way of selecting that via x-mojo-element? i've checked the forum to no avail
May 06 01:48:00 <BigBiff_> i'll just set it up manually - i'm just curious to sit it in an app
May 06 01:53:38 <haeffb>  error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'mojo' of undefined
May 06 02:01:10 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb: Hmm, I don't think there's anything on FilterList.  http://webos101.com/wiki/index.php?title=FilterList&action=edit&redlink=1
May 06 02:01:14 <Roy-Pre101> :)
May 06 02:02:57 <haeffb> Well, if I ever get it working...
May 06 02:03:09 <haeffb> I'm completely baffled at this point.
May 06 02:10:28 <haeffb> FilterList is broken when I put it inside a scroller. It works when outside the scroller.
May 06 02:10:44 <BigBiff_> small button is , um, just a skinny button
May 06 02:11:01 <BigBiff_> bug?
May 06 02:11:15 <haeffb> I dunno.
May 06 02:11:27 <haeffb> maybe I'm just doing something wrong.
May 06 02:11:48 <haeffb> disableSceneScroller: true and FilterList inside a scroller, FilterList no workie.
May 06 02:13:42 <haeffb> Ok, had scroller disabled. Now it's working.
May 06 02:16:29 <haeffb> woohoo!
May 06 02:17:27 <BigBiff_> nice
May 06 02:20:27 <haeffb>  is .include a Prototype method?
May 06 02:25:16 <LoneStar99> haeffb: http://prototypejs.org/api/string/include
May 06 02:28:18 * haeffb has been trying to avoid using Prototype for some unknown reason.
May 06 02:36:45 <LoneStar99> haeffb: why is that?
May 06 02:57:34 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb: So, you can document now? ;)
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