**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 07 02:59:56 2010
May 07 03:13:31 * haeffb has 2 UK and 1 Canada download
May 07 03:15:32 <JenP> go haeffb
May 07 03:16:19 <haeffb> April sales much lower than March
May 07 03:16:33 <JenP> mine too haeffb
May 07 03:17:04 <haeffb> that whole "featured" thing was a real boost...
May 07 03:17:21 <JenP> I know! it was awesome when my app was featured
May 07 03:17:41 <rwhitby> JenP: preware 0.9.99 is up ...
May 07 03:17:54 <JenP> really rod? I'll look it up
May 07 03:18:00 <rwhitby> JenP: testing feed
May 07 03:18:07 <rwhitby> release candidate for 1.0 this weekend hopefully
May 07 03:18:13 <JenP> cool!
May 07 03:20:12 <JenP> what's wrong with this dialog box? http://pastebin.com/RDpKQHiB
May 07 03:20:23 <JenP> I'm trying to push a system restart on button push
May 07 03:23:27 <haeffb> is that an undocumented service?
May 07 03:24:14 <JenP> no
May 07 03:24:15 <JenP> one sec
May 07 03:24:39 <haeffb> what's it (not) doing?
May 07 03:24:40 <LoneStar99> haeffb: april sales 50% lower than march =(
May 07 03:24:55 <JenP> haeffb it's not restarting the app
May 07 03:25:33 <haeffb> that "looks" like it's supposed to reboot the device.
May 07 03:25:59 <JenP> lol yeah i know...
May 07 03:29:04 <JenP> hmm not finding anything on it on the site though
May 07 03:31:49 * CTLAdvance has 8 uk, 4 canada, 2 germany and 1 spain downloads
May 07 03:31:54 <CTLAdvance> hello everyone
May 07 03:32:03 <JenP> hi CTLAdvance
May 07 03:33:40 <CTLAdvance> LoneStar - our sales are down too but no groundbreaking app releases yet
May 07 03:33:50 <CTLAdvance> since bing wallpaper search
May 07 03:34:02 <CTLAdvance> and people wont pay $1 for obama
May 07 03:34:14 <CTLAdvance> so sales are down
May 07 03:37:43 <LoneStar99> CTLAdvance: the was the goldman sachs short selling our apps
May 07 03:37:50 <LoneStar99> the = it
May 07 03:38:45 <LoneStar99> excuse my grammatical errors, multi-tasking
May 07 03:42:03 <JenP> hi adora!
May 07 03:42:44 <haeffb_pre> JenP:  what are you wanting it to do ?
May 07 03:43:03 <JenP> haeffb_pre: I want to restart the phone on a button press
May 07 03:43:45 <haeffb_pre> do you get any error msgs?
May 07 03:43:57 <JenP> no
May 07 03:46:31 <oil> palm://com.palm.power/shutdown works?
May 07 03:46:46 <JenP> oil: well apparently not
May 07 03:46:53 <oil> you try luna-send?
May 07 03:47:01 <JenP> no
May 07 03:47:47 <JenP> i'll read up on it
May 07 03:48:19 <LoneStar99> is it even possible with the API to restart the phone progamatically?
May 07 03:48:30 <oil> http://webos.pastebin.com/BanT0ZBW
May 07 03:48:33 <JenP> yes...there's that restart app
May 07 03:49:08 <oil> what restart app?
May 07 03:49:17 <oil> preware does it with ipkgservice
May 07 03:49:26 <JenP> Reset Button
May 07 03:50:12 <haeffb_pre> preset reset
May 07 03:50:37 <JenP> preset reset?
May 07 03:51:06 <haeffb_pre> another reset app
May 07 03:51:19 <JenP> oh ill look it up
May 07 03:52:30 <oil> preset reset uses palm://ca.canucksoftware.systoolsmgr
May 07 03:52:56 <oil> his service
May 07 03:53:27 <JenP> rwhitby: I love how when you start a typed search in preware it shows in the header...very cool
May 07 03:54:04 <oil> lol
May 07 03:59:41 <haeffb_pre> rwhitby is great that way...
May 07 03:59:58 <haeffb_pre> (oil gets no love)
May 07 04:00:39 <LoneStar99> anyone think Canadians can download or purchase US apps?
May 07 04:00:40 <JenP> lol
May 07 04:00:53 <JenP> i've got Canadian sells
May 07 04:01:09 <haeffb_pre> no, have to select Canada
May 07 04:02:41 <oil> haeffb: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=commit;h=5d03414c779f02194b737538502e60a309fbfcc7
May 07 04:02:43 <oil> :)
May 07 04:03:22 <LoneStar99> will chat with chuq tommorrow, confused about all the restrictions that regional apps have or don't have
May 07 04:03:26 <JenP> lol you go oil...
May 07 04:05:04 <JenP> does anyone get the "too many cards" open error still...?
May 07 04:05:18 * oil rarely does
May 07 04:05:34 <oil> but i dont use the web browser all that often
May 07 04:06:20 <JenP> hmmm...
May 07 04:11:30 <JenP> Ok found where I got that code from...in phone\app\controllers\app-assistant.js
May 07 04:54:17 <BigBiff_> muahahah
May 07 05:47:23 <noaXess> goooood morning.. webos ;)
May 07 05:47:29 <noaXess> ey Adora how is day..
May 07 05:48:01 <noaXess> Roy-Pre101: still haven't had time to post on webos101.com.. but will DO it.. ;)
May 07 05:57:14 <noaXess> hey Roy-Pre101... have registered on webos101.com with thomi_ch.. but now the username is "Thomi ch".. why that?
May 07 05:58:44 <noaXess> ok Roy-Pre101.. if it need to be.. no prob.. i can login with thomi_ch anyway..
May 07 06:58:44 <noaXess> webos is sleeping ..... 8-)
May 07 09:09:56 <warpdesign_> good morning
May 07 09:40:28 <swisstomcat> morning
May 07 13:08:54 <haeffb> Research: where to look and how much is enough?
May 07 13:09:32 <swisstomcat> hey haeffb
May 07 13:10:45 <haeffb> hi swisstomcat
May 07 13:10:58 * haeffb sitting in a land surveyors workshop today and tomorrow
May 07 14:09:45 <Rick_work> oh, that doesn't sound like fun haeffb
May 07 14:24:30 <haeffb> that's why I brought my laptop...
May 07 14:28:45 <Rick_work> Section 6b subsection 2 topic 43, what to do when you can't find the surveyor's pin that the site description claims was there...
May 07 14:31:56 <LoneStar99> morning all
May 07 14:45:07 <noaXess> so here it's near evening.. :) day mostly gone..
May 07 14:46:04 <haeffb> Rick_work: so, you're here too?
May 07 14:47:52 <LoneStar99> noaXess:  where u at?
May 07 14:48:03 <noaXess> switzerland.. as swisstomcat
May 07 14:48:14 <noaXess> hey swisstomcat.. was up on your apps? still beta?
May 07 14:48:23 <LoneStar99> oh do you know swisstomcat personally?
May 07 14:48:40 <sugardave> what's that sport that combines surveying and cross-country running?
May 07 14:49:07 <sugardave> orienteering or something like that?  haeffb, are you training for that?
May 07 14:51:22 <LoneStar99> sugardave: where the heck did you encounter that sport?
May 07 14:51:43 <LoneStar99> "Orienteering is a family of sports that requires navigational skills using a map and compass to navigate from point to point in diverse and usually unfamiliar terrain."
May 07 14:52:27 <LoneStar99> sounds more like military training
May 07 14:53:35 <noaXess> LoneStar99: jep..
May 07 14:54:00 <noaXess> we are in the moment to only two official dev's in switzerland
May 07 14:54:40 <LoneStar99> noaXess: can you access the app catalog?
May 07 14:54:43 <noaXess> even there are other swiss people here in this channel :)
May 07 14:55:00 <noaXess> LoneStar99: what you mean exactly? from the phone?
May 07 14:55:30 <noaXess> yes from the phone it works.. just opened it now
May 07 14:57:12 <LoneStar99> noaXess: what apps do you see "region"?
May 07 14:58:21 <noaXess> LoneStar99: sorry.. don't understand.. should i search any app to test if i see it?
May 07 14:58:57 <noaXess> my regional settings are language english and switzerland as country
May 07 14:59:18 <LoneStar99> try "coloroo"
May 07 14:59:36 <noaXess> not found..
May 07 14:59:46 <noaXess> so not available for OTHER countries, right?
May 07 14:59:53 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 07 14:59:57 <LoneStar99> just US
May 07 15:00:00 <noaXess> why?
May 07 15:00:06 <noaXess> why not for world?
May 07 15:00:26 * haeffb is training for whatever life throws at me.
May 07 15:00:32 <LoneStar99> noaXess: will be made soon
May 07 15:00:38 <noaXess> aha :)
May 07 15:01:31 <LoneStar99> noaXess: what if you have a direct link to a US app? what happens?
May 07 15:02:09 <swisstomcat> hi lonestar
May 07 15:02:12 <swisstomcat> hallo noaXess
May 07 15:02:21 <LoneStar99> howdy swisstomcat
May 07 15:02:59 <noaXess> LoneStar99: hm.. we can try..
May 07 15:03:14 <noaXess> LoneStar99: whould you send it over email?
May 07 15:03:25 <noaXess> the link :)
May 07 15:06:25 <LoneStar99> http://uoid.me/app2
May 07 15:07:31 <LoneStar99> the app above has access to 2,500+ apps
May 07 15:07:51 <swisstomcat> coloroo has only US as the country (preware)
May 07 15:08:02 <LoneStar99> but not sure if the direct link works on non-us phones
May 07 15:13:16 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: I am trying to figure out if a user with a non-us phone can purchase a US app, if the direct link to the app is provided....
May 07 15:14:42 <swisstomcat> i don't think that's possible
May 07 15:15:01 <swisstomcat> it will probably say "this app is not available in your country"
May 07 15:15:54 <LoneStar99> yeah, that is what i am thinking
May 07 15:16:25 <LoneStar99> need to ask chuq some specific questions regarding that
May 07 15:16:54 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: how many apps are in app catalog you can access?
May 07 15:17:06 <swisstomcat> let me see
May 07 15:18:07 <swisstomcat> where do i see a number?
May 07 15:18:34 <swisstomcat> 517
May 07 15:18:45 <LoneStar99> oh ok
May 07 15:18:47 <LoneStar99> thanks
May 07 15:19:07 <swisstomcat> the other phone shows 2148
May 07 15:19:14 <haeffb> uh oh, chuqui is here...
May 07 15:19:17 <swisstomcat> here comes chuq .. hide the puppies!
May 07 15:19:18 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 07 15:19:31 <haeffb> chuq eats puppies?
May 07 15:20:25 <rwhitby> heh, ask chuqui about the app catalog first activation algorithm which determines your level of access based on your sister's boyfriend's cat's age
May 07 15:20:38 <chuqui> hey, rod!
May 07 15:20:53 <LoneStar99> hi chuqui
May 07 15:20:53 <chuqui> (wince)
May 07 15:20:57 <haeffb> chuqui: what about the app catalog first activation algorithm which determines yourlevel of access based on your sister's boyfriend's cat's age
May 07 15:21:00 <haeffb> ?
May 07 15:21:29 <haeffb> chuqui: are Palm app icons fair game for modification/reuse?
May 07 15:21:58 * rwhitby is going to have to buy an unlocked German GSM Palm Pre Plus, have it shipped to the US for first activation, and then have it shipped to Australia.
May 07 15:23:01 <rwhitby> and then sacrifice said cat to the gods of the app catalog ....
May 07 15:23:09 <LoneStar99> rwhitby:  that sounds nuts
May 07 15:23:34 <LoneStar99> why not send it to space as well
May 07 15:23:59 <rwhitby> and then, maybe then, I'll be able to buy apps on my main phone (of course I'll still have to use a US www.simon.com giftaccount to pay for them)
May 07 15:24:01 <swisstomcat> hey chuq
May 07 15:24:02 <chuqui> look! a puppy!
May 07 15:24:08 <haeffb> chuqui: for instance: http://img687.imageshack.us/i/capturesgu.png/
May 07 15:24:52 <chuqui> I think those icons are okay...
May 07 15:25:00 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: found anything like www.simon.com in .de yet?
May 07 15:25:07 <chuqui> and morning, all. Except those of you for which it's afternoon and evening.
May 07 15:25:22 <swisstomcat> how is everything in palm land today?
May 07 15:25:39 <rwhitby> morning chuqui, ya know I loves ya
May 07 15:25:41 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: not yet .. but i've heard of people using a virtual creditcard
May 07 15:26:57 <rwhitby> at the moment I need to buy apps on my sprint pre, then copy them across to the phone that I actually use.  and do that again every time there's an update to said apps.
May 07 15:27:32 <swisstomcat> same here
May 07 15:27:41 <chuqui> Palm is about normal for palm today...
May 07 15:27:54 <haeffb> I need to capture the Enter key in a FilterList / FilterWidget. I can do it by listening for keydown on document/window, but not for my widget by id or a containing div by id....
May 07 15:28:35 <haeffb> don't really want to capture everything in document/window... is there a better way?
May 07 15:29:08 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: if it wasn't something that would be just too easy for warez folks to use, I'd write an application that rsynced an appdir across wifi to a device with a matching ssh key
May 07 15:29:50 <haeffb> rwhitby: like I used to be able to send apps by bluetooth with my Palm devices...
May 07 15:29:56 <swisstomcat> it would be much easier if you "just" could buy apps everywhere
May 07 15:30:12 <rwhitby> haeffb: or "beaming" over IR
May 07 15:30:22 <swisstomcat> but i'm sure palm is aware of that .. i've pestered them enough .. right, chuqui? :)
May 07 15:30:43 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: oh, I don't we've pestered them nearly enough ...
May 07 15:30:45 <haeffb> right, that's what I was thinking of...
May 07 15:31:15 <haeffb> you may have pestered chuq enough, but there are others at Palm that haven't had enough pestering yet.
May 07 15:31:54 <rwhitby> haeffb: yeah, I'm still trying to find out who is behind the first activation idea ...
May 07 15:33:04 <rwhitby> meanwhile, it's time for a kernel upgrade which should fix the camera issue
May 07 15:34:38 <noaXess> hy are the apps not not for the whole world?... why are there restrictions?
May 07 15:34:46 <chuqui> I have encouraged people around here to extend the catalog to everywhere. it's not as easy as I wish it was, so it's not flipping a switch to make it happen.
May 07 15:35:12 <rwhitby> you know, even though I designed and implemented it, I still think OTA end-user kernel upgrades in Preware is a pretty damn awesome thing
May 07 15:35:40 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: yes, i just upgraded to the latest kernel .. very cool
May 07 15:35:51 <haeffb> rwhitby: so is my smoked filet mignon.
May 07 15:37:14 <rwhitby> mmm - smoky flavour
May 07 15:37:36 <haeffb> mmmm...overclocking....
May 07 15:38:56 <swisstomcat> mmmm ... paid apps
May 07 15:39:11 <haeffb> this seems kinda hackish to keep from capturing Enter in other scenes...
May 07 15:39:13 <haeffb>     if (Mojo.Char.isEnterKey(event.keyCode) && this.controller.stageController.activeScene().sceneName === 'intro') {
May 07 15:39:15 <rwhitby> yep, no delay in camera.  it pays to take notice of "mystery bug" comments in Palm's kernel patch and propagate the 360MHz IVA2 restriction when overclocking too ..
May 07 15:50:49 <haeffb> swisstomcat: wanna translate another app...?
May 07 15:50:58 <swisstomcat> sure
May 07 15:51:03 <haeffb> open source...
May 07 15:51:12 <swisstomcat> in that case fre
May 07 15:51:13 <swisstomcat> e
May 07 15:51:21 <haeffb> sure
May 07 15:51:23 <swisstomcat> bring it on :)
May 07 15:51:37 <haeffb> I am finalizing Done for submission to catalog.
May 07 15:52:27 <swisstomcat> i mean in that case the translation will be free
May 07 15:53:53 <swisstomcat> hey halfhalo
May 07 15:56:41 <halfhalo_class> hola
May 07 15:57:25 <halfhalo> So appently my power went out last night at my house
May 07 15:57:47 <halfhalo> Only reason I know this is because when it came back on all the computers/electronics in my room turned on
May 07 15:58:06 <halfhalo> And damn is my printer loud
May 07 15:58:52 <halfhalo> And now to figure out how to pay for my camera I want before june 15th
May 07 16:00:08 <swisstomcat> it's crazy how it's only 2 weeks since the developer days .. seems so much longer
May 07 16:00:29 <halfhalo> yeah
May 07 16:00:33 <halfhalo> oh son of a....
May 07 16:00:38 <halfhalo> grabbed the wrong phone
May 07 16:01:56 <swisstomcat> last developer days at palm as an independent company
May 07 16:02:19 <halfhalo> I seriously doubt that they would stop doing them
May 07 16:02:31 <swisstomcat> i'm sure they wont
May 07 16:03:03 <swisstomcat> the first and only one when they where still an independent company
May 07 16:03:36 <LoneStar99> two browser crashes...
May 07 16:04:23 <swisstomcat> probably caused by the flash plugin :)
May 07 16:05:22 <LoneStar99> no kidding =)
May 07 16:05:37 <LoneStar99> prices of iPad in UK are ridiculous: WiFi Models: 16GB / 32GB / 64GB ? £429 / £499 / £599. 3G versions: 16GB / 32GB / 64GB ? £529 / £599 / £699
May 07 16:05:56 <swisstomcat> i'll gladly wait for a webos tablet :)
May 07 16:06:05 <halfhalo> lies
May 07 16:06:17 <LoneStar99> got to to be one dumb bloke to pay those prices
May 07 16:06:47 <halfhalo> This is europe were talking about...
May 07 16:07:00 <swisstomcat> just import one from the US
May 07 16:07:21 <LoneStar99> $633.745 for the crappies one WTF
May 07 16:07:31 <LoneStar99> crappiest
May 07 16:07:34 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 07 16:07:42 <LoneStar99> import forsure
May 07 16:08:55 <swisstomcat> my opinion: the ipad shows a glimpse into the future .. but we are not there yet
May 07 16:09:18 <chuqui> it's a version 1.0 product.. just getting started.
May 07 16:09:28 <swisstomcat> yup
May 07 16:09:36 <swisstomcat> that's why i'm waiting
May 07 16:09:43 <halfhalo> for pie?
May 07 16:09:48 <swisstomcat> webos tablet
May 07 16:09:53 <halfhalo> oh
May 07 16:09:57 <halfhalo> I'm waiting for pie
May 07 16:10:03 <Roy-Pre101> noaXess: Sorry, the wiki uses _ to separate words in the page titles, so...
May 07 16:10:04 <chuqui> pie sounds good.
May 07 16:10:07 <Roy-Pre101> Not sure what the fix is.
May 07 16:10:09 <BigBiff> mmmmmm pie
May 07 16:10:18 * halfhalo sends chuqui some of his pie
May 07 16:10:19 <swisstomcat> pumkin pie?
May 07 16:10:21 <chuqui> See, my view is I can have BOTH an iPad and a webOS tablet, it/when it happens.
May 07 16:10:36 <swisstomcat> look, a puppy
May 07 16:10:49 <halfhalo> Yes, there is a puppy here, and?
May 07 16:11:04 <Roy-Pre101> halfhalo: He's peeing on your power strip!
May 07 16:11:17 <halfhalo> no, thats the OTHER puppy
May 07 16:11:27 <halfhalo> this one is just scared of everything
May 07 16:11:58 <swisstomcat> i'm sure skunkworks is already working on a webos tablet
May 07 16:12:01 <halfhalo> Now the question is why the hell are there dogs in an IT office
May 07 16:12:11 <halfhalo> and the answer is because my work is awesome
May 07 16:12:20 <swisstomcat> they have dogs at google
May 07 16:12:44 <halfhalo> and dogs here at CSUN as well
May 07 16:12:55 <swisstomcat> i even have kids at work .. because i work at home :)
May 07 16:13:00 <LoneStar99> ipad at UK prices is just plain wrong, but people are dumb enough to pay such exuberant prices
May 07 16:13:16 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 07 16:13:20 <halfhalo> Meh, I played with the ipad here and came  away less than impressed
May 07 16:14:07 <LoneStar99> i see the iPad Like an Brick version of the iPhone
May 07 16:14:33 <halfhalo> Well, I'm not saying its bad, its just... stale
May 07 16:14:59 <halfhalo> OH SON OF A....
May 07 16:15:07 <halfhalo> Left my video files on my mini
May 07 16:15:08 <LoneStar99> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Motorola2900BagPhone.JPG
May 07 16:15:54 <LoneStar99> ok anyone have a working example of draggable elements in webos?
May 07 16:17:53 <LoneStar99> got to love Russian justice Pirates "freed" = "killed"
May 07 16:30:30 <BigBiff> man i cant get my head around a basic concept of server-side scripting
May 07 16:30:51 <LoneStar99> BigBiff: what you trying to do?
May 07 16:31:34 <BigBiff> ok, heres my question - when does the script execute? when a user interfaces with it? or immediately upon loading the file to the server?
May 07 16:31:43 <BigBiff> scenario:
May 07 16:31:56 <LoneStar99> you using PHP?
May 07 16:32:02 <BigBiff> ya
May 07 16:32:17 <LoneStar99> it executes when the webpage is loaded
May 07 16:32:47 <BigBiff> so if my php file is only there for a curl function, then loading that info into a db
May 07 16:33:16 <LoneStar99> the curl function will only work when your page is loaded
May 07 16:33:18 <BigBiff> it only fires when the user accesses it?
May 07 16:33:20 <BigBiff> hmm
May 07 16:33:28 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 07 16:33:58 <LoneStar99> unless you have some sort of unix crontab automatically executing it
May 07 16:34:11 <BigBiff> ya, that's what i mean
May 07 16:34:57 <BigBiff> so without that, there's no advantage to using php as opposed to just doing my own ajax / sql on the device
May 07 16:36:25 <BigBiff> which for my app requires to ajax requests per item, and i have lots and lots of items
May 07 16:36:28 <LoneStar99> unless you have a web service running on a server, which a device needs to access
May 07 16:36:31 <BigBiff> to = two
May 07 16:37:30 <LoneStar99> what does your app do?
May 07 16:37:34 <BigBiff> as of now, i can tap on the item to "update" it synchronously, or i can update it in groups
May 07 16:38:01 <BigBiff> gathers info on river levels from the usgs
May 07 16:38:20 <haeffb> each "item" is a gage?
May 07 16:38:24 <BigBiff> i've said this before, but, the app works great for my needs
May 07 16:38:26 <BigBiff> yes
May 07 16:38:37 <BigBiff> but if i ever want to distribute, i need to include every state
May 07 16:38:47 <haeffb> & you're getting info from how many gages at a time?
May 07 16:39:08 <BigBiff> the most i've tried is around 30 * 2 requests per
May 07 16:39:33 <BigBiff> and without wifi, that takes around 12 seconds
May 07 16:39:48 <haeffb> what info are you getting per ajax request?
May 07 16:40:08 <BigBiff> cubic feet per second on the 1st request, gage height in feet on the 2nd
May 07 16:40:17 <BigBiff> 2 different urls
May 07 16:40:42 <haeffb> & why would you get that info for every gage in 50 states at once?
May 07 16:41:16 <BigBiff> i wouldnt - but i also have a gps reference
May 07 16:41:30 <BigBiff> you can set it to 10 - 280 miles
May 07 16:41:48 <BigBiff> driveable distance - usually returns (where i live) around 40 rivers
May 07 16:41:59 <haeffb> & that's too many?
May 07 16:42:09 <BigBiff> and that's just whitewater - i havent included flatwater
May 07 16:42:19 <BigBiff> it's just slow
May 07 16:42:35 <BigBiff> i finally bought the iphone app that does the same thing, basically
May 07 16:42:46 <BigBiff> and it's fast - it has to be coming from a server
May 07 16:42:54 <BigBiff> with cached data
May 07 16:43:50 <BigBiff> it's obvious that it is making only one call - updating an entire state (80 or so rivers * 2 measurements)
May 07 16:43:52 <haeffb> email me your app & I can offer suggestions...
May 07 16:44:12 <BigBiff> cool - i guess i should make it pretty?
May 07 16:44:15 <BigBiff> hehe
May 07 16:45:07 <haeffb> not for me...pretty before it goes in catalog...
May 07 16:45:58 <BigBiff> ok - u just gotta keep in mind that this is my first attempt at any kind of programming
May 07 16:46:07 <BigBiff> so go easy on me
May 07 16:47:27 <LoneStar99> getting info and having most processing taking place on server is the way to go
May 07 16:47:58 <BigBiff> so to the original question - php - without the unix crontab - the script wont execute to fill the database until it's accessed
May 07 16:48:21 <BigBiff> it would be cool to make one call, and the list is filled
May 07 16:48:49 <LoneStar99> unless there is another way to automate an PHP script... let me think
May 07 16:49:12 <BigBiff> it would need to update about every hour
May 07 16:49:27 <LoneStar99> unix crontab forsure
May 07 16:49:40 <BigBiff> i'll look into it
May 07 16:49:47 <LoneStar99> the most efficient way
May 07 16:50:34 <LoneStar99> have a php script which crontab runs every 2 hours and works great
May 07 16:51:22 <LoneStar99> http://urloid.com/app2
May 07 16:52:09 <LoneStar99> that app uses a php which parses info from a rss feed every couple of hours using crontab
May 07 16:59:40 <BigBiff> cool
May 07 17:00:02 <BigBiff> ok fellas - time for class - as always, i appreciate your advice
May 07 17:06:33 <Nyceane> hey
May 07 17:06:42 <Nyceane> how do i make textbox refocus?
May 07 17:07:00 <Nyceane> this.controller.get('txtBox').mojo.focus(); doesnt do it, people still have to click on the textbox
May 07 17:09:02 <Roy-Pre101> If only there were some site that had info!  http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets#Focus_a_TextField_from_a_Button_press:
May 07 17:09:17 <Roy-Pre101> Although, it uses mojo.focus(), did you stop the other event?
May 07 17:20:50 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101: using webos101 to learn more about dragging
May 07 17:21:02 <halfhalo> Thats a horrible idea
May 07 17:22:14 <LoneStar99> halfhalo: you have any experience with draggable elements in WebOS?
May 07 17:22:27 <halfhalo> Sadly, no
May 07 17:22:36 <halfhalo> I want to play with em, but no times
May 07 17:23:50 <LoneStar99> k, will try to get something working and will let you know
May 07 17:24:35 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar99: Ah, I still haven't written up the other dragging method
May 07 17:24:46 <Roy-Pre101> Using the standard HTML events.
May 07 17:24:49 <Roy-Pre101> That's what I use.
May 07 17:25:26 <LoneStar99> yeah, had some standard javascript that worked once, but wanted to make it more mojo-like
May 07 17:26:02 <LoneStar99> have you encountered any problems with standard javascript drag events?
May 07 17:26:45 <Roy-Pre101> nope
May 07 17:27:42 <LoneStar99> ok, might just go that route, just need it something quite easy
May 07 17:28:07 <LoneStar99> you using something like this: http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutorials/javascript-draggable-elements
May 07 17:29:20 <Roy-Pre101> Wow, that's very complete.
May 07 17:29:25 <Roy-Pre101> But, yes, same events, I believe.
May 07 17:29:53 <LoneStar99> ok thanks
May 07 17:30:17 <Roy-Pre101> I should look that over more carefully to see if there are other concepts to steal but basically that.
May 07 17:30:29 <Roy-Pre101> Will link to that from my webos101.com dragging page.
May 07 17:33:01 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101: will work on another solution then add it to webos101
May 07 17:34:01 <Roy-Pre101> OK.  I'm writing one now
May 07 17:34:06 <Roy-Pre101> Look over it and you can edit it.
May 07 17:35:28 <LoneStar99> k
May 07 17:43:20 <Roy-Pre101> http://webos101.com/Dragging
May 07 17:43:40 <Roy-Pre101> hopefully that helps some.
May 07 18:06:18 <LoneStar99> thanks Roy-Pre101
May 07 18:13:34 <haeffb> "Writing Legal Descriptions"
May 07 18:13:48 <LoneStar99> haeffb: for what?
May 07 18:14:03 <haeffb> land boundary descriptions
May 07 18:14:29 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101:  does the code sample you wrote work as is?
May 07 18:14:42 <LoneStar99> haeffb:  seems like fun
May 07 18:26:34 <Nyceane> lol
May 07 18:27:14 <Nyceane> Roy-Pre101, are you still here?
May 07 18:34:20 <haeffb> I know, everyone wants to be me today...
May 07 18:37:18 <Nyceane> lol
May 07 18:37:33 <Nyceane> i still need 7000 more downloads to get on leaderboard =-|
May 07 18:37:39 <Nyceane> I can use some help lol
May 07 18:37:58 <Nyceane> I released it last month, so I think I need to wait
May 07 18:38:41 <Toaster> what app?
May 07 18:51:09 <haeffb> how do I set transparency for the background-color of a div in CSS?
May 07 18:54:39 <LoneStar99> "opacity:0.7;"
May 07 18:54:42 <VincentLaw> background-color:rgba(255,0,0,0.5);
May 07 18:54:51 <VincentLaw> ignore LoneStar99 unless you want the whole div translucent
May 07 18:55:15 <VincentLaw> also test what I wrote, I am not sure if it works in webOS. it does work in firefox and safari
May 07 18:55:21 <VincentLaw> it's a CSS3 command
May 07 18:55:24 <haeffb> danke
May 07 18:56:05 <VincentLaw> if that doesn't work, you're stuck making a 1px translucent PNG with the color you want :P
May 07 18:57:22 <haeffb> works
May 07 18:57:29 <VincentLaw> awesome.
May 07 18:58:38 <LoneStar99> VincentLaw: what does "background-color:rgba(255,0,0,0.5);" do?
May 07 18:59:32 <LoneStar99> compared to opacity:0.5; ?
May 07 19:00:47 <haeffb> opacity:0.5 applies to the entire div...
May 07 19:01:09 <haeffb> red-green-blue-alpha gives a color with transparency
May 07 19:02:03 <LoneStar99> oh ok
May 07 19:02:31 <LoneStar99> opacity: no color simply applies transparency...
May 07 19:04:27 <haeffb> to everything in the div... ??
May 07 19:04:57 <LoneStar99> will test it right now
May 07 19:05:54 <haeffb> the rgba(xx,xx,xx,xx) can be applied anywhere you use a color.
May 07 19:06:25 <haeffb> different transparency for border, padding, etc, if you so choose.
May 07 19:11:56 <LoneStar99> haeffb: ok instead of it appling universally to the entire div...
May 07 19:13:07 <haeffb> rightey-o
May 07 19:13:20 <haeffb> Now discussing whether the word "property" should be in a deed...
May 07 19:13:45 <LoneStar99> nice\
May 07 19:18:57 <pandora--> haeffb: eh?
May 07 19:19:25 <pandora--> haeffb: carl marx is your real estate agent?
May 07 19:21:21 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101: you still around?
May 07 19:24:29 <haeffb> land surveyors workshop
May 07 19:25:26 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar99: Back
May 07 19:26:04 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101: trying to get your drag sample working...
May 07 19:26:04 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar99: Oh, the code doesn't exactly work as-is.  I should have modified it to.
May 07 19:26:30 <Roy-Pre101> That just gives you the coordinates.  You need to set up an element you can apply the x, y to.
May 07 19:26:41 <Roy-Pre101> I could modify that to work, too
May 07 19:27:55 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101: "setup' in "MyAssistant.prototype.setup = function() {}" ??
May 07 19:28:48 <Roy-Pre101> Yeah, that works.
May 07 19:29:01 <Roy-Pre101> I should add some HTML to that sample.
May 07 19:36:16 <Roy-Pre101> The sample I pulled it from is doing some more complicated things so...
May 07 19:46:16 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101: is this right http://pastebin.com/fRuNb7r0
May 07 19:46:42 <Roy-Pre101> no
May 07 19:48:19 <Roy-Pre101> http://pastebin.com/cU9XPdjh
May 07 19:48:33 <Roy-Pre101> You were mixing prototype style with object declaration
May 07 19:49:00 <LoneStar99> lol
May 07 19:51:21 <Roy-Pre101> Could have redone it the other way
May 07 19:52:06 <LoneStar99> oh ok, what i though was missing the prototye stuff =)
May 07 19:52:11 <halfhalo> Mmmmmmm
May 07 19:52:17 <halfhalo> I has cheezburger and coke
May 07 19:52:19 <halfhalo> and hulu
May 07 19:53:03 <Roy-Pre101> http://pastebin.com/4Wkjvur3
May 07 19:53:28 <Roy-Pre101> Then you need to set dragger's style.left and style.top
May 07 19:53:34 <halfhalo> THE CODE
May 07 19:53:38 <halfhalo> IT BURNS?!?!
May 07 19:54:48 <Roy-Pre101> $("dragger").style.left = x + "px";
May 07 19:55:16 <Roy-Pre101> You have to adjust for the difference between the click and the origin.
May 07 19:56:48 <LoneStar99> where do i add "$("dragger").style.left = x + "px";"  ??
May 07 19:57:17 <LoneStar99> draggingHandler?
May 07 19:58:27 <LoneStar99> ok got it
May 07 19:58:35 <LoneStar99> works
May 07 19:59:25 <halfhalo> Im out of ranch
May 07 19:59:34 <halfhalo> this is time for... THE THEIF
May 07 20:04:38 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101: http://pastebin.com/1ArfcKqW
May 07 20:04:49 <LoneStar99> do you want me to edit the wiki?
May 07 20:05:57 <LoneStar99> halfhalo: what you gonna steal?
May 07 20:06:09 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar99: Go for it
May 07 20:06:21 <Roy-Pre101> Anything you can do to make that sample more self-containted is godo
May 07 20:06:42 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101: ok will do
May 07 20:07:41 <LoneStar99> thanks for your help
May 07 20:08:06 <Roy-Pre101> Shirley.
May 07 20:09:18 <halfhalo> I stole ranch
May 07 20:09:22 <halfhalo> lotsa ranch
May 07 20:11:02 <pandora--> lol
May 07 20:11:09 <halfhalo> ok, wtf
May 07 20:11:20 <halfhalo> the cleaning crew is in here right now
May 07 20:11:20 <LoneStar99> nice
May 07 20:11:28 <LoneStar99> busted
May 07 20:11:37 <halfhalo> its 1 in the afternoon
May 07 20:12:31 <halfhalo> and theres a dog in the office who is scared shitless
May 07 20:13:45 <halfhalo> but I have my nice headphones with me, and hulu
May 07 20:17:37 <LoneStar99> what sort of dog?
May 07 20:17:44 <LoneStar99> Roy-Pre101: done http://www.webos101.com/Dragging
May 07 20:17:55 <halfhalo> no idea, but its a big black one
May 07 20:18:15 <halfhalo> he was rescued from the pound
May 07 20:18:52 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 07 20:19:34 <halfhalo> ola
May 07 20:34:28 * haeffb needs to toggle visibility of a div
May 07 20:34:45 <halfhalo> and that is hard.. why?
May 07 20:35:45 <oil> its... not?
May 07 20:35:57 <halfhalo> exactly
May 07 20:36:38 <haeffb> how do I tell whether it's visible or not?
May 07 20:37:07 <halfhalo> ummm.... check if its... there?
May 07 20:37:12 <oil> why do you not know if its visible?
May 07 20:37:35 <haeffb> never mind.
May 07 20:41:17 <CTLAdvance> Anyone here using the PDK
May 07 20:41:34 <Robdor> I'm using it
May 07 20:41:49 <CTLAdvance> By any chance are you using it with visual studio?
May 07 20:42:12 <CTLAdvance> or visual studio with the pdk plugin?
May 07 20:42:22 <Robdor> No, I'm using Textmate and the terminal.
May 07 20:42:29 <Robdor> On a Mac.
May 07 20:44:14 <CTLAdvance> very nice
May 07 20:44:19 <CTLAdvance> thanks
May 07 20:44:38 <CTLAdvance> I dont think there is alot of PDK penetration yet compared to the Mojo SDK
May 07 20:45:28 <Robdor> I agree.  I've been meaning to write up a few things about some of the samples I've written using the PDK on webos101.  I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
May 07 20:58:47 <Nyceane> hey guys
May 07 20:59:17 <swisstomcat> hey
May 07 20:59:23 <Nyceane> why is that this.myPhotoDivElement.mojo.centerUrlProvided('images/pre_01.png', 'images/pre_01_thumb.png');
May 07 20:59:33 <Nyceane> can not be used in .prototype.setup
May 07 20:59:53 <Nyceane> I am using UIWidget's imageview example
May 07 21:00:05 <Nyceane> it seems that I have to click on first button to get the images initialized
May 07 21:00:10 <Nyceane> i can not do it in setup
May 07 21:08:24 <haeffb> Nyceane: can you do it in activate() ?
May 07 21:15:20 <Nyceane> nvm, i found a way
May 07 21:15:29 <Nyceane> ImageViewAssistant.prototype.aboutToActivate
May 07 21:15:48 <Nyceane> thanks tho
May 07 21:17:27 <Roy-Pre101> Robdor: Let me know if I can help at all
May 07 21:18:07 <Nyceane> Roy-Pre101, is there anyway to force a left transaction?
May 07 21:18:13 <Nyceane> onLeftFunction
May 07 21:18:19 <Nyceane> but call it from somewhere else
May 07 21:18:32 <Roy-Pre101> What is a left transaction?
May 07 21:18:32 <Nyceane> so i can reuse my function rather than write another one
May 07 21:18:37 <Nyceane> left swipe
May 07 21:18:53 <Roy-Pre101> Oh...  sure, you can send any events you want.
May 07 21:19:10 <Roy-Pre101> Call the handleCommand directly if you want.
May 07 21:19:17 <Robdor> Roy-Pre101: I think why I've been putting it off is that I don't really know what to start with or what kind of granularity the PDK section needs.
May 07 21:19:45 <Roy-Pre101> There's another way to send events, I think.  Might even be on webos101.com
May 07 21:19:46 <Nyceane> hmm
May 07 21:20:39 <haeffb> I would just call my eventHandler directly...
May 07 21:20:41 <Roy-Pre101> Robdor: What do you think might be most useful?  A simple introduction/tutorial?  Or maybe a breakdown of the important sections in an app?  Or perhaps just document the most important functions.  Can take any approach.
May 07 21:20:54 <haeffb> ...with whatever event.xxx parameters the function needs.
May 07 21:21:52 <Roy-Pre101> huh...  Never tested create project with the latest Komodo plugin.  doesn't work
May 07 21:24:56 <Robdor> Roy-Pre101: A tutorial would be nice.  Maybe some kind of a recipes section that has small explanations of things like using ortho mode in opengl and rotating the display and event coordinates of the device.  There's just so much to talk about because the PDK is so generic it's kind of hard to pinpoint specific things that might be important.
May 07 21:25:45 <Roy-Pre101> Robdor: I understand.  The SDK side is kinda the same way.  It's grown organically as people have discovered pain points.   Tutorial is a fantastic place to start.
May 07 21:26:02 <Roy-Pre101> And you can just create wiki links to the parts you think people may want to fill in later.
May 07 21:27:52 <amiroo> Hi there
May 07 21:28:57 <amiroo> I have troubles with Lists in Ares, anyone here who has some experience with that?
May 07 21:31:33 <halfhalo> http://yvettesbridalformal.com/index.htm
May 07 21:31:36 <halfhalo> MY EYES
May 07 21:32:01 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo: I've worked with them
May 07 21:32:07 <Roy-Pre101> Did you put them in a scroller?
May 07 21:32:14 <Roy-Pre101> If not...  well... they don't work very well
May 07 21:32:25 <amiroo> yes i did ;-) but this is not the problem
May 07 21:32:36 <amiroo> i want to change the data inside an item
May 07 21:33:13 <amiroo> dinamicly
May 07 21:33:15 <Roy-Pre101> halfhalo: That's a joke, right?
May 07 21:33:20 <amiroo> no sorry
May 07 21:33:25 <halfhalo> No.... no its not
May 07 21:33:35 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo: webos101.com
May 07 21:33:36 <halfhalo> My faith in humanity is gone
May 07 21:34:28 <amiroo> ok. thx. i give this site a try. but don't think i didn't try to google for it or to search in developers.palm.com
May 07 21:34:29 <amiroo> ;-)
May 07 21:35:01 <amiroo> Just FIY http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=6982 no answers :-(
May 07 21:35:46 <Roy-Pre101> look up the docs on using lists
May 07 21:35:49 <Roy-Pre101> on webos101.com
May 07 21:36:34 <Roy-Pre101> Templarian: I tried to generate a new project and it failed for me.
May 07 21:36:37 <amiroo> omg! i think i found it
May 07 21:36:38 <Roy-Pre101> With the plugin
May 07 21:36:41 <Roy-Pre101> Debuggingnow.
May 07 21:36:46 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo: OMG!
May 07 21:37:04 <amiroo> I searched the whole day!
May 07 21:37:08 <amiroo> nothing
May 07 21:37:16 <amiroo> i think this is what i am looking for
May 07 21:37:16 <amiroo> this.listModel.items[i].newInfo = someNewDataToUpdateIntoMyListItem;
May 07 21:37:16 <amiroo>     $('myListId').mojo.noticeUpdatedItems(0, this.listModel.items);
May 07 21:37:27 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo: Yep
May 07 21:37:40 <Roy-Pre101> That's one way.
May 07 21:38:02 <amiroo> that easy. Thank you guys! i make a test now
May 07 21:38:20 <amiroo> i know there are other ways. but this is the way i was looking for
May 07 21:38:43 <Roy-Pre101> This is how I do it:
May 07 21:38:44 <Roy-Pre101> MyAssistant.prototype.ajaxSuccess = function(response) {
May 07 21:38:44 <Roy-Pre101>     this.listModel.items = response.responseJSON;
May 07 21:38:44 <Roy-Pre101>     this.controller.modelChanged(this.listModel);
May 07 21:38:44 <Roy-Pre101> }
May 07 21:39:00 <Roy-Pre101> but the other way is more precise.
May 07 21:44:55 <amiroo> cannot read property "items" of object :-(
May 07 21:44:58 <amiroo> for this line
May 07 21:44:59 <amiroo> this.listModel.items[i].newInfo = someNewDataToUpdateIntoMyListItem
May 07 21:45:15 <amiroo> i changed newInfo to my item name
May 07 21:45:39 <amiroo> and i to the specific item index
May 07 21:55:11 <amiroo> Sorry to bother you guy. why can't I just do this?
May 07 21:55:12 <amiroo> this.$.list2.items[3].title = "something";
May 07 22:04:44 <Roy-Pre101> You can, it just won't know you changed it.
May 07 22:05:10 <Roy-Pre101> You can assign a name to the list model.
May 07 22:05:11 <Roy-Pre101> Use that.
May 07 22:05:41 <Roy-Pre101> Here's what I use in an Ares project:
May 07 22:05:43 <Roy-Pre101> 		this.listModel.items = inResponse;
May 07 22:05:43 <Roy-Pre101> 		this.controller.modelChanged(this.listModel);
May 07 22:06:00 <Roy-Pre101> where listModel is the name I assigned themodel.
May 07 22:06:13 <Roy-Pre101> In the list properties.
May 07 22:06:20 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo: see?
May 07 22:06:36 <amiroo> ohhh
May 07 22:06:44 <amiroo> i did not assigned a modelName
May 07 22:07:29 <amiroo> i'm getting xml in inResponse
May 07 22:07:34 <amiroo> can i use that too?
May 07 22:07:38 <amiroo> i guess not
May 07 22:09:42 <amiroo> but i can assign a complete new model, right? like this.listModel = .......
May 07 22:10:05 <amiroo> and then this.controller.modelChanged(this.listModel)
May 07 22:10:41 <haeffb> amiroo: no
May 07 22:10:50 <amiroo> i wish i could use this.listModel.items = inResponse; but and don't thnk this might work with xml
May 07 22:11:14 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo: no, you'll have to convert the XML into json
May 07 22:11:32 <amiroo> too bad.
May 07 22:11:44 <amiroo> spend a whole day to make my php create that xml haha
May 07 22:12:46 <amiroo> this would be much easier without ares
May 07 22:14:58 <amiroo> haeffb: even when my list has listModel as name?
May 07 22:17:55 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo: You cannot replace the listmodel object itself or you have severed the link to the model.
May 07 22:18:15 <Roy-Pre101> So when you tell Mojo to notice the change to the new model it doesn't know who that model belongs to so it ignores it.
May 07 22:18:35 <Roy-Pre101> You can only replace its contents
May 07 22:19:29 <amiroo> so there is no simple way to make this work
May 07 22:19:30 <amiroo> this.$.list2.items[3].title = "something";
May 07 22:19:44 <Roy-Pre101> Sure.
May 07 22:19:45 <amiroo> i just found a xml2json script
May 07 22:19:49 <amiroo> is there?
May 07 22:20:21 <Roy-Pre101> this.$.list2.model.items[3].title = "something", I think.
May 07 22:20:31 <Roy-Pre101> But you -still- have to tell mojo the list changed.
May 07 22:20:44 <Roy-Pre101> So, shortcut:
May 07 22:20:44 <amiroo> with modelChaned
May 07 22:20:53 <Roy-Pre101> assign a name to the model in the list properties
May 07 22:20:59 <amiroo> check
May 07 22:21:00 <amiroo> :-)
May 07 22:21:04 <Roy-Pre101> And do:  this.listModel.items[3].title = "something"
May 07 22:21:06 <Roy-Pre101> Like I told you before.
May 07 22:21:12 <amiroo> list2Model
May 07 22:21:16 <Roy-Pre101> whatevah.
May 07 22:21:43 <Roy-Pre101> Templarian: Having a problem
May 07 22:21:59 <Roy-Pre101> Used the komodo plugin to create a new app but I'm getting an error.
May 07 22:22:31 <Roy-Pre101> palm-generate is throwing an error:  palm-generate: invalid app id
May 07 22:22:45 <Templarian> Roy-Pre101: no my problem. that would be you.
May 07 22:22:49 <Tibfib> hahaha
May 07 22:22:56 <Roy-Pre101> yes, but I don't see what's causing it.
May 07 22:23:03 <Tibfib> post your app info
May 07 22:23:24 <Templarian> not*
May 07 22:23:35 <Templarian> Yea, what name are you trying to use.
May 07 22:23:54 <Roy-Pre101> com.dynaptic.webosroundup
May 07 22:24:09 <Tibfib> I think it is the json around it
May 07 22:24:25 <Roy-Pre101> yeah, suspecting so.
May 07 22:24:41 <Templarian> During the creation I only pass 3 values...
May 07 22:25:02 <Templarian> Which are version and id and something else then I overwrite the appinfo.json.
May 07 22:25:08 <Roy-Pre101> http://webos.pastebin.com/CqXsd6Br
May 07 22:25:21 <Roy-Pre101> The new setup adds the new fields.
May 07 22:26:18 <Tibfib> would the phone being blank do anything?
May 07 22:26:25 <Roy-Pre101> maybe...
May 07 22:26:34 <Roy-Pre101> blank string should work though
May 07 22:26:50 <Tibfib> it's the only thing that pops out for me
May 07 22:26:51 <Templarian> Does it work with other id's?
May 07 22:26:53 <Roy-Pre101> nope, deleted that line
May 07 22:27:06 <Tibfib> copyright symbol?
May 07 22:27:25 <Roy-Pre101> other ID's fail
May 07 22:27:27 <muk_mb> hey guys
May 07 22:27:39 <muk_mb> how can I programmatically trigger a phonecall?
May 07 22:27:54 <amiroo> Roy: i think i sould not bother you. looks like you have some difficulties yourself
May 07 22:28:03 <Roy-Pre101> It is not the copyright symbol
May 07 22:28:07 <Roy-Pre101> I removed it
May 07 22:29:01 <Templarian> Leave the defaults in what happens?
May 07 22:29:54 <Tibfib> weird... just compared the appinfo to mine and I see no differences (in json)
May 07 22:30:11 <Tibfib> http://webos.pastebin.com/nUZP2V5G
May 07 22:30:18 <amiroo> IT fu*********ing works! :-)
May 07 22:30:25 <amiroo> THANK YOU ROY :-)
May 07 22:30:51 <Roy-Pre101> amiroo: Welcome
May 07 22:30:52 <Tibfib> err... deleted my pastebin so my email isn't online... woops!
May 07 22:31:01 <Roy-Pre101> Templarian: Hmm, lemme see.
May 07 22:31:49 <Roy-Pre101> works
May 07 22:32:54 * Templarian hits Roy-Pre101.
May 07 22:33:05 <Roy-Pre101> :P
May 07 22:33:14 <Roy-Pre101> Still doesn't explain why the one it made for me doesn't work!
May 07 22:33:59 <Roy-Pre101> hum
May 07 22:34:04 <Tibfib> too long of an app id?
May 07 22:34:05 <Roy-Pre101> wait a second.
May 07 22:34:15 <Roy-Pre101> maybe I'm just an idiot.
May 07 22:34:16 <Tibfib> (which would be lame)
May 07 22:34:43 <Roy-Pre101> I'm doing palm-generate . with that appinfo.json in the folder.
May 07 22:34:55 <Roy-Pre101> The copied one from the default doesn't work either.
May 07 22:35:00 <Roy-Pre101> So, maybe I'm calling palm-generate wrong
May 07 22:35:14 <Tibfib> palm-generate <folderNameContainingfiles>
May 07 22:35:17 <Roy-Pre101> However, komodo failed generating my project with the parameters I specified.
May 07 22:35:28 <Roy-Pre101> so that's why I'm trying manually.
May 07 22:35:59 <Tibfib> if komodo made it, it should be the src folder
May 07 22:36:14 <Roy-Pre101> Templarian: So, here's the bug...  I put in the parameters you see in the appinfo.json I pasted and Komodo failed to make my project.
May 07 22:36:23 <Roy-Pre101> The palm-generate stuff you can ignore.
May 07 22:36:30 <Roy-Pre101> That was me trying to see why it failed.
May 07 22:38:19 <Templarian> Roy-Pre101: right...
May 07 22:38:37 * Templarian closes bug with "By Design" checked.
May 07 22:38:44 <Roy-Pre101> this is on OS X, it gave a [JavaScript Application] error
May 07 22:38:55 <Roy-Pre101> It's supposed to throw an error?
May 07 22:39:20 <Templarian> Never in an alert box.
May 07 22:39:26 <Templarian> All mine print to my output.
May 07 22:39:31 <Roy-Pre101> It's in an alert box
May 07 22:39:38 <Roy-Pre101> same error with create new scene.
May 07 22:39:42 <Roy-Pre101> Throws an alert box.
May 07 22:39:47 <Templarian> Restart komodo.
May 07 22:39:50 <Roy-Pre101> 'failed to create scene'
May 07 22:40:17 <Templarian> I put try catches around everything as to not lockup anything so yea.
May 07 22:40:26 <Roy-Pre101> Mmmmm
May 07 22:40:37 <Roy-Pre101> I've restarted.  We'll see what hapens now
May 07 22:40:56 <Roy-Pre101> click 'add scene'
May 07 22:41:00 <Roy-Pre101> Get popup:
May 07 22:41:05 <Roy-Pre101> [JavaScript Application]
May 07 22:41:10 <Roy-Pre101> Error: Failed to create new scene
May 07 22:41:21 <Tibfib> restart mac?
May 07 22:42:06 <Roy-Pre101> hmm, could be a bad komodo project.
May 07 22:42:16 <Roy-Pre101> Will delete the project and restart it.
May 07 22:42:29 <Roy-Pre101> I did copy back my appinfo.json file that komodo made.
May 07 22:42:59 <Roy-Pre101> hmm... yeah, that appinfo.json is bad
May 07 22:43:13 <Roy-Pre101> what is wrong with it?
May 07 22:44:00 <Roy-Pre101> bah and humbug.
May 07 22:44:12 <Roy-Pre101> Starting with blank appinfo.json and will manually fix it.
May 07 22:44:58 <Templarian> Sounds good.
May 07 22:45:06 <Templarian> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXyuLN4TcRc <- So making this my ring tone.
May 07 22:50:04 * Tibfib thinks Templarian should use this instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMLFkHdbjLE&feature=related
May 07 22:51:26 <Templarian> lol, epic but no.
May 07 22:54:37 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar99: Thanks for the update to the dragger.
May 07 23:01:13 <CTLAdvance> Are they still making scrubs
May 07 23:07:08 <Tibfib> mannnnnnnn... does anyone else's pre start acting like it is at 100Mhz every once in a while?
May 07 23:08:14 <Roy-Pre101> note to self:  Push scene in stage assistant
May 07 23:10:39 <reality9110> Tibfib: When making a phone call, yes
May 07 23:11:44 <Tibfib> reality9110: my pre is going crazy! gonna doctor it and see if it fixes it.... if not, new pre time!
May 07 23:11:59 * reality9110 shrugs
May 07 23:19:12 <Roy-Pre101> Hmpf, my manual scrollers ain't workin' too hot.
May 07 23:24:32 * Tibfib battery pull fixed the issue,,, for now.
May 07 23:26:46 <Roy-Pre101> hmm...
May 07 23:26:57 <Roy-Pre101> vertical-snap on my scroller isn't working.
May 07 23:27:43 <Roy-Pre101> vertical doesn't work, either.
May 07 23:27:45 <Roy-Pre101> hrm
May 07 23:27:50 <Roy-Pre101> free kinda works
May 07 23:28:14 <Roy-Pre101> but it always snaps back to the top.
May 07 23:28:22 <Roy-Pre101> I am doing something wrong, aren't I?
May 07 23:29:26 <Roy-Pre101> hmm...Ah...
May 07 23:30:23 <reality9110> Yes, you are.
May 07 23:30:51 <Tibfib> I don't know if anyone can get snap to work...
May 07 23:31:05 <reality9110> I have it working horizontally
May 07 23:32:01 <Roy-Pre101> I'm trying a vertical snap
May 07 23:32:09 <Roy-Pre101> I've removed the snap and gone to free.
May 07 23:32:20 <Roy-Pre101> I can see my vertical page below but it always snaps back to the top.
May 07 23:32:32 <Roy-Pre101> maybe I should have started with something smaller. :/
May 07 23:43:30 <Roy-Pre101> oh, I set up the snap elements all wrong.
May 07 23:43:37 <Roy-Pre101> But since I disabled them, that's not the only problem
May 07 23:47:40 <catalystmedia> I'm trying to work on list scrolling performance. What is the best way to improve list scrolling performance on long lists?
May 07 23:48:15 <Tibfib> catalystmedia: tell the users to overclock >.<
May 07 23:48:47 <catalystmedia> Haha, that would do it I suppose :p
May 08 00:46:29 <zsoc> is there a way to get aptana to stop complaining about mojo specific stuff?
May 08 00:49:27 <haeffb_pre> in html & css?
May 08 00:52:29 <zsoc> yes
May 08 00:52:47 <haeffb_pre> good question
May 08 00:53:05 <haeffb_pre> you can exclude individual errors...
May 08 00:55:52 <zsoc> where?
May 08 01:06:33 <Roy-Pre101> Yeesh, this is messed up!
May 08 01:08:37 <Roy-Pre101> woohoo, emulator rebooted.
May 08 01:09:35 <Roy-Pre101> feh.
May 08 01:09:53 <Roy-Pre101> I modified the horizontal scroller sample to be a vertical scroller and it works just dandy.
May 08 01:10:01 <Roy-Pre101> Yet mine won't work at all.
May 08 01:14:15 <Roy-Pre101> it must have been messed up HTML.
May 08 01:14:21 <Roy-Pre101> I don't know. :P
May 08 01:14:29 <haeffb> zsoc: window/preferences/aptana/editors/XXXX/validation
May 08 01:17:03 <Roy-Pre101> oh, fudgly.
May 08 01:17:16 <Roy-Pre101> You can't set the scroller container to larger than the screen or it doesn't scroll.
May 08 01:17:23 <Roy-Pre101> Taller.
May 08 01:17:30 <Roy-Pre101> Horizontal apparently works fine.
May 08 01:17:32 <Roy-Pre101> Vertical... no.
May 08 01:28:00 <JenP> hi all
May 08 01:28:07 <Roy-Pre101> JenP: Howdies
May 08 01:28:12 <JenP> hi roy
May 08 01:28:55 <haeffb> jenp
May 08 01:28:59 <haeffb> great icon
May 08 01:29:03 <JenP> hi haeffb
May 08 01:29:13 <JenP> great! which one?
May 08 01:29:54 <haeffb> the tablet one
May 08 01:30:16 <haeffb> I've made some minor modifications, but I really like it...
May 08 01:30:22 <JenP> cool
May 08 01:30:37 <JenP> well send him an email with the changes you want and he'll make up the sizes you need
May 08 01:30:56 <Nyceane> I'll always have the size you need, JenP ;)
May 08 01:31:27 <JenP> lol...yeah...kinda doubt that...but you keep telling yourself that...(fl)
May 08 01:31:51 <haeffb> already done
May 08 01:32:02 <haeffb> paint.net is cool...
May 08 01:32:07 <JenP> haeffb: awesome!
May 08 01:32:12 <JenP> well i can't wait to see it
May 08 01:32:20 <haeffb> unless he doesn't want me messing with his work... :)
May 08 01:32:33 <JenP> lol he said it's cool
May 08 01:33:11 <haeffb> Well tell Josh I said "Thanks!" I really appreciate the help.
May 08 01:33:28 <JenP> Josh said "no problem"
May 08 01:34:17 <JenP> so haeffb why do you think the auto repeat background function cause "too many cards" open error...
May 08 01:34:39 <JenP> i'm not 100% sure it's absolutley that app, but i think odds are good
May 08 01:35:06 <haeffb> creating scenes and/or listeners that aren't deleted?
May 08 01:35:31 <JenP> oh?! well i'll check those, thanks!
May 08 01:41:05 <haeffb> for a color icon in showBanner, you need to add a miniicon in appinfo.json (16x16)
May 08 01:41:30 <JenP> oh i didn't know you could get a color one to show
May 08 01:41:33 <Roy-Pre101> Hum...
May 08 01:41:40 <Roy-Pre101> Finally got vertical-snap scrolling working.
May 08 01:42:04 <Roy-Pre101> Now adding a horizontal scroller to the vertical scroller...  the horizontal one acts like it's on free horizontal scroll instead of snap.
May 08 01:44:49 <haeffb> roy, do what you did for the vertical one, but sideways...
May 08 01:47:05 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb: Zowie, thanks!
May 08 01:47:19 * Roy-Pre101 turns down the sarcasm machine.
May 08 01:47:33 <Roy-Pre101> Was set a little too high there.
May 08 01:47:49 <Roy-Pre101> I tried that, seems close, but not quite there.
May 08 01:51:04 <Roy-Pre101> Also, apparently, you can set the mode in the model
May 08 01:53:31 <Roy-Pre101> whoops, apparently getting the case right on all the letters matters.
May 08 01:53:39 <Roy-Pre101> or not...
May 08 01:53:44 <Roy-Pre101> dang, I thought that was it.
May 08 02:01:40 <Roy-Pre101> Ragh!
May 08 02:04:35 <rwhitby> morning
May 08 02:07:03 <JenP> hi rod
May 08 02:09:37 <Roy-Pre101> Humm...  OK, it's definitely me.  I cut out my HTML, CSS and JS and I can nest the horizontal in a vertical.
May 08 02:09:53 <Roy-Pre101> Is there a limit on how long a CSS selector can be?
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