**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 11 02:59:56 2010
May 11 06:51:39 <swisstomcat> morning
May 11 11:06:22 <m55> how can I get the current time in mojo?  The standard getTime() is undefined
May 11 11:06:35 <m55> Uncaught ReferenceError: getTime is not defined, app/assistants/stage-assistant.js:28
May 11 11:09:53 <warpdesign> test = new Date(); test.getTime(),
May 11 11:09:57 <warpdesign> doesn't work ?
May 11 11:11:17 <swisstomcat> hi m55
May 11 11:11:20 <swisstomcat> hi warpdesign
May 11 11:12:04 <m55> that works
May 11 11:12:17 <m55> for some reason one lineing it didn't although
May 11 11:12:20 <swisstomcat> or
May 11 11:12:37 <swisstomcat> this.now = new Date();
May 11 11:12:39 <swisstomcat> var mytime=Mojo.Format.formatDate(this.now,{time:"short",countryCode:"CH"});
May 11 11:12:47 <swisstomcat> if you need a specific time-format
May 11 11:17:57 <warpdesign> hey swisstomcat
May 11 14:31:22 <Roy-Pre101> morning folks
May 11 14:32:18 <swisstomcat> morning roy-pre101
May 11 14:33:07 <swisstomcat> what's new?
May 11 14:34:14 <Roy-Pre101> I wish I had a good answer for that.
May 11 14:35:26 <LoneStar99> morningall
May 11 14:35:37 <swisstomcat> howdy lonestar
May 11 14:36:06 <swisstomcat> what's new is what has changed since yesterday :)
May 11 14:37:11 <LoneStar99> hello swisstomcat - Roy-Pre101
May 11 14:38:19 * haeffb_pre got three touchstones from radio shack for $20 each
May 11 14:38:49 <haeffb_pre> and three wall chargers from amazon for $5.66 each
May 11 14:40:22 <swisstomcat> cool
May 11 14:40:39 <swisstomcat> i got a touchstone and a touchstone kit too from radioshack
May 11 14:42:45 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb: Nice.  I couldn't find any wall chargers.
May 11 14:42:49 <Roy-Pre101> I wanted some.
May 11 14:42:58 <Roy-Pre101> Maybe I should go look again.
May 11 14:44:41 <swisstomcat> i only saw the vehicle charger
May 11 14:45:30 <Chriswebos> how do you save text to a local file? is it allowed?
May 11 14:48:05 <swisstomcat> chriswebos: with the sdk or the pdk?
May 11 14:48:17 <Chriswebos> sdk
May 11 14:48:41 <swisstomcat> you can use cookie or depot but no local file AFAIK
May 11 14:49:00 <Chriswebos> doh! what about setting text to a webview?
May 11 14:49:26 <Chriswebos> basically, i want to save info in a webview to a file so I can retrieve later
May 11 14:50:05 <Chriswebos> i saw in the webview api that you could provide a filename, but not sure where it'll go
May 11 14:51:26 <swisstomcat> the webview can probably use a local-html file to render
May 11 14:51:52 <swisstomcat> view your app as a website with it's limitations
May 11 14:52:10 <swisstomcat> you can save data to a cookie (approx. 4k) or a depot (database)
May 11 14:52:28 <Chriswebos> but could i then grab that info and put it in a webview?
May 11 14:52:51 <swisstomcat> what kind of info are we talking about?
May 11 14:52:56 <swisstomcat> data in a form?
May 11 14:52:57 <swisstomcat> html?
May 11 14:53:10 <Chriswebos> html i guess
May 11 14:54:35 <swisstomcat> you want to save a part of a webview?
May 11 14:55:55 <Chriswebos> yes
May 11 14:58:30 <Chriswebos> is the pdk difficult to use? maybe I'll just use it
May 11 14:58:52 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 11 14:59:19 <Chriswebos> bbl?
May 11 15:00:06 <Robdor> Chriswebos: The PDK is pretty easy to use.  It's just pretty standard C or C++.
May 11 15:01:03 <Chriswebos> i was just looking at the docs...i'm 95% finished with an app i developed using sdk...would it be easy to integrate some pdk functionality into it?
May 11 15:01:13 <Chriswebos> or would i need to do a restart?
May 11 15:02:15 <Robdor> You wouldn't need to do a complete restart.
May 11 15:04:17 <Robdor> The app catalog doesn't support PDK apps yet, so you will  have to wait a bit to release your app if you use it.
May 11 15:05:53 <Chriswebos> any word on when it will be supported?
May 11 15:06:14 <haeffb_pre> "soon"
May 11 15:06:46 <LoneStar99> does anyone know if 64bit windows 7 is supported for the PDK yet?
May 11 15:07:04 <haeffb_pre> could you save the html as a string in a sqlite db?
May 11 15:07:56 <haeffb_pre> roy: wall chargers were through Amazon.com
May 11 15:10:47 <Chriswebos> haeffb_pre: are you asking me that about the html string?
May 11 15:11:03 <haeffb_pre> yes
May 11 15:11:32 <Chriswebos> yes, I think I could save it to a db...the problem I would have then is getting the html string from the db to the webview at a later time
May 11 15:12:14 <haeffb_pre> why webview? just display it in a div
May 11 15:14:24 <Chriswebos> I need the functionality of a webview (tap to zoom, rotate view one day)
May 11 15:21:04 <Chriswebos> hmm...it appears the saveviewtofile works fine...not if I could just make it output html i'd be golden
May 11 15:22:13 <haeffb_pre> wild. the charger I bought for $5.66 this morning is now $6.84
May 11 15:29:05 <Roy-Pre101> haeffb_pre: They know you like them so they jacked the price.
May 11 15:29:57 <haeffb_pre> still cheaper than $29.99 for a palm travel charger
May 11 16:10:05 <noaXess> hey folks
May 11 16:10:37 <noaXess> is it normal that an updated app needs a week to review?
May 11 16:14:23 <haeffb_pre> yes that seems normal
May 11 16:23:18 <noaXess> haeffb_pre: ok..
May 11 17:24:14 <Roy-Pre101> noaXess: It can happen.
May 11 17:24:23 <Roy-Pre101> It should give you time to write up that stuff on webos101.com  ;)
May 11 17:24:37 <halfhalo> 3 down.. one and a half to go...
May 11 17:40:28 <swisstomcat> evening
May 11 17:42:48 <oilsworkn> hey
May 11 17:42:54 <swisstomcat> hi
May 11 17:44:10 <halfhalo> monkey
May 11 18:50:49 <EdLin> just got a Palm Pre leather case from radioshack.com for $14.95, they're selling touchstones for $19.95 btw.
May 11 18:51:22 <EdLin> only until the 15th, then they stop carrying them altogether.
May 11 18:52:37 <oilsworkn> hasn't that already been all over the internets?
May 11 18:53:04 <EdLin> oilsworkn: maybe, just in case someone hasn't heard about it already.
May 11 18:53:28 <EdLin> oilsworkn: not everyone reads blogs. ;-)
May 11 18:54:05 <oilsworkn> i said internets, not blogs xD
May 11 18:54:22 <EdLin> oilsworkn: it's all over radioshack's website... and blogs.
May 11 18:54:29 <EdLin> oilsworkn: not too many other places
May 11 18:54:40 <EdLin> well, other than here now. ;-)
May 11 18:54:44 <oilsworkn> lol
May 11 18:55:34 * EdLin shuts up, he's said all he's had to say about the sale
May 11 18:57:31 <punzada> I FOR ONE AM THANKFUL
May 11 18:57:37 <punzada> because now i'm considering getting a touchstone
May 11 18:57:42 <punzada> at $50 it seemed gimmicky
May 11 18:57:48 <punzada> $20 price point sounds resonable
May 11 18:57:52 <punzada> reasonable even
May 11 18:59:29 <oilsworkn> lets be honest touchstones are awesome
May 11 18:59:55 <halfhalo> yup
May 11 19:00:03 <swisstomcat> yeah, got 3 now
May 11 19:25:34 <catalystmedia> Hey swisstomcat I like your Moo app. I played with it for awhile haha
May 11 19:26:04 <swisstomcat> thank you, catalystmedia .. you probably have a few ideas how to gloss it up a bit
May 11 19:27:10 <catalystmedia> I kind of liked it how it was. It's a pretty simple, fun app. Maybe add some new sounds. So when you shake it it's a slightly different sound each time. Could be fun. Maybe if you shake it hard/long enough their eyes would go cross eyed or something
May 11 19:27:41 <swisstomcat> hehehe, i like that cross eyed idea
May 11 19:28:53 <swisstomcat> i'll probably add more animals
May 11 19:29:33 <swisstomcat> here is another app of mine (in beta): http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.inorbit.animalmemory.beta
May 11 19:37:27 <catalystmedia> Ohh looks cool. I'll give a try. Thanks for linking me to it :)
May 11 19:59:07 * haeffb_pre needs to change Agenda to open source to get in on this hot apps goodness...
May 11 20:23:17 <rkcr> Is the preferred manner for entering dynamic data into a scene to use Mojo.View.render() with parameters?  Or is there a better way in some circumstances?
May 11 20:31:11 <noaXess> Roy-Pre101: time is allways against me.. >:o
May 11 20:32:01 <swisstomcat> hi noaXess
May 11 20:33:13 <swisstomcat> noaXess: http://busy-bee-designs.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=22126
May 11 20:37:02 <Roy-Pre101> noaXess: :P  What was it you were going to write up, anyhow?
May 11 20:37:43 <noaXess> Roy-Pre101: i will... stay tuned.. i have a lot of other projects..
May 11 20:41:02 <swisstomcat> g'night everyone
May 11 20:41:30 <warpdesign> bye swisstomcat
May 11 20:48:46 <Templarian> http://blogs.msdn.com/iemobile/archive/2010/05/11/update-css-and-js-support-in-ie-mobile-for-windows-phone-7.aspx Did you guys hear this news lol.
May 11 20:50:26 <Templarian> Basic summary Microsoft was thinking of supporting the -webkit- prefix but after tons of feedback and news they decided not to. lol.
May 11 20:50:49 <Roy-Pre101> ARGH...  My visual sourcesafe database is finally corrupt enough it can't be recovered it seems
May 11 20:51:05 <Roy-Pre101> Templarian: Saw that they were thinking about it.
May 11 20:51:45 <Templarian> Very good that they decided against it.
May 11 21:07:33 <noaXess> Roy-Pre101: it will be about webview and loading process... an advanced example...
May 11 21:13:03 <Roy-Pre101> ah, good
May 11 21:14:26 <dohtem> Anyone else get the email on possible developer workshops from Palm?
May 11 21:14:38 * oilsworkn didn't :/
May 11 21:15:32 <Roy-Pre101> yep
May 11 21:15:50 * oilsworkn feels left out ;(
May 11 21:16:06 <dohtem> maybe you are too far away.
May 11 21:17:33 <Tibfib> dohtem: didn't
May 11 21:17:43 <Tibfib> ...err I didn't
May 11 21:17:54 * oilsworkn and Tibfib will have their own workshop!
May 11 21:18:43 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: let's do it
May 11 21:18:58 <haeffb> I didn't
May 11 21:19:10 <haeffb> I'm already watching over oil's shoulder for my workship
May 11 21:19:24 <Tibfib> haeffb: you can join too!
May 11 21:20:10 <dohtem> lol, the email is a simple survey asking if you'd be more likely to attend a workshop in Palo Alto or in San Francisco.
May 11 21:20:27 <Tibfib> Doh. like it reeeeaally matters
May 11 21:20:35 <dohtem> that's why I assumed they sent it to those within resonalble driving distance
May 11 21:20:54 <Tibfib> dangit, they need to do it in the midwest!
May 11 21:21:34 <dohtem> Tibfib: SF is 45 mins closer to me.  It matters :)  Not that I wouldn't drive to Palo Alto for Palm.
May 11 21:21:55 <Tibfib> did they hint at a date?
May 11 21:22:03 <dohtem> nope
May 11 21:22:18 * Tibfib might be able to make a dev day in the summer
May 11 21:22:30 <dohtem> did you make it out there last month?
May 11 21:22:56 <Tibfib> nope
May 11 21:44:01 <Tibfib> win: http://notalwaysright.com/drawing-a-blanc/5249
May 11 21:44:28 <dirs> hi
May 11 21:44:42 <oilsworkn> nice
May 11 21:45:25 <dohtem> I would have hit the customer with the paint can.
May 11 21:45:45 <dirs> i'm trying to use PDK, PDL. now I have my pre working with it. I can PDL_MojoReply(parms, "oi") and see it on the log of my app.
May 11 21:45:51 <Tibfib> hah, i just found this site. some of the stories are really funny
May 11 21:46:13 <dirs> so i write C code to do what I want (md5 a file.. sha256 a string...)
May 11 21:46:24 <dirs> but when I PDL_MojoReply(parms, shash)
May 11 21:46:40 <dirs> javascript logs error: Uncaught Error: >tl^7^UJ??8?J??89????B5^A[7̫????>^A,
May 11 21:46:57 <dirs> and when I try again, pre reboot!
May 11 21:47:16 <dirs> someone know how to resolve? how can I print my hash?
May 11 21:47:54 <Tibfib> dirs: you could use a javascript function to convert it.... >.<
May 11 21:48:14 <dirs> Tibfib: md5? not of a huge file
May 11 21:48:31 <dirs> not in pre..
May 11 21:48:37 <dirs> not in MY pre ;)
May 11 21:52:00 <dirs> I tested the same C code on osx and it worked (without the PDL thing...)
May 11 21:52:56 <lyht> lemketron: ping. Does the downloadmanager service not download files over 1x? Or am I doing something wrong?
May 11 21:58:31 <Tibfib> http://notalwaysright.com/no-charge-for-this-call/5142
May 11 22:05:26 <noaXess> d'night all.. time for a break..
May 11 22:05:35 <noaXess> g'night ^ ;)
May 11 22:05:56 <Tibfib> noaXess: d'night
May 11 22:06:32 <oilsworkn> nice
May 11 22:09:20 <dirs> someone here use PDK?
May 11 22:09:47 <Robdor> dirs: I do
May 11 22:11:30 <dirs> Robdor: oh nice. i'm doing a plugin. I can PDL_MojoReply(parms, "oi") and see "oi" in the log of my app
May 11 22:12:12 <Robdor> Ah, I don't use it for a plugin.  I'm using it for an OpenGL game.
May 11 22:12:19 <dirs> Robdor: but when I do PDL_MojoReply(parms, shash) where shash are a char generated by my code (that do md5 of a file, and sha256 of a http request..)
May 11 22:12:34 <dirs> JS return Uncaught Error: >tl^7^UJ??8?J??89????B5^A[7̫????>^A,
May 11 22:13:42 <Robdor> That's odd.  What library are you using to generate your md5?
May 11 22:14:36 <oilsworkn> actually
May 11 22:14:47 * oilsworkn wonders how data from plugins is sent back to mojo
May 11 22:14:49 <oilsworkn> via json?
May 11 22:14:57 <oilsworkn> is what you're sending back breaking it?
May 11 22:15:01 <oilsworkn> needing escapes/etc
May 11 22:16:29 <Robdor> It shouldn't I believe that md5's only generate characters 0-9 and a-z
May 11 22:17:14 <Robdor> dirs: Does it work if you try and run a small program using your md5 library from the command line on the pre?
May 11 22:17:19 <dirs> it's hex... md5 and sha2 are hex
May 11 22:17:46 <dirs> Robdor: on the pre not but in my MB yeah
May 11 22:24:25 <dirs> well... I will try to compile for pre but without plugin stuff and see thats happen
May 12 00:59:05 <JenP> hi all
May 12 00:59:19 <rwhitby> hey JenP
May 12 01:00:18 <JenP> hi rod!
May 12 01:07:16 <phil_bw> hey does anybody know if it's possible to package and install to emulator from a macro in Komodo (with Templarians add on)?
May 12 01:07:52 <JenP> phil_bw: do you already have Templarians add on?
May 12 01:08:10 <phil_bw> JenP, yes it's all setup and working well
May 12 01:08:25 <phil_bw> if I record a macro and click the button that'd normally do that it doesn't record it as anything
May 12 01:08:27 <JenP> if you do press the folder icon with the green plus..it will install and launch in emulator
May 12 01:08:43 <phil_bw> right, I want it do do that from a macro
May 12 01:08:51 <JenP> oh sorry...don't know that one
May 12 01:09:20 <phil_bw> no prob
May 12 01:09:45 <phil_bw> for now I've just set bound F6 to that function through the key bindings so that gets past half the battle
May 12 01:18:49 <rwhitby> FYI: http://www.precentral.net/sticker
May 12 01:21:23 <oil> free sticker?
May 12 01:25:33 <rwhitby> yep
May 12 01:25:52 <rwhitby> just announced in the palmcast live - get them while they're hot
May 12 01:25:56 * rwhitby bbl
May 12 01:27:30 * phil_bw is going to decorate the volkswagen
May 12 01:32:19 <rolsworth> my pre is messed up. I did the webos doctor and now i cannot activate it.
May 12 01:32:30 <rolsworth> anyone know a way i can get the files off the usb drive
May 12 02:42:00 <Tibfib> anyone here an expert on lord of the flies?
May 12 02:46:44 * Tibfib didn't think so. stupid literary analyses
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 12 02:59:56 2010